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BlueandGold
07-24-2012, 02:26 PM
Just a few off the top of my head

Afernee Hardaway
Steve Francis
Stephan Marbury
Ralph Sampson
Grant Hill (to an extent)
Alonzo Mourning (to an extent)

funny how most of them are PG/SG. Random requirement: must have at least played 5 seasons in the NBA.

Flagrant 2
07-24-2012, 02:27 PM
http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/here-comes-honey-boo-boo/videos/coming-soon.htm?rss=1

AlphaWolf24
07-24-2012, 02:27 PM
Just a few off the top of my head

Tim Hardaway
Steve Francis
Stephan Marbury
Ralph Sampson
Grant Hill (to an extent)
Alonzo Mourning (to an extent)

funny how most of them are PG/SG. Random requirement: must have at least played 5 seasons in the NBA.


Tim Hardaway?? U mean Anfernee?

BGriffin's Dad
07-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Tracy McGrady

BlueandGold
07-24-2012, 02:29 PM
Tim Hardaway?? U mean Anfernee?
Yes that was my mistake.

IGotACoolStory
07-24-2012, 02:30 PM
Drazen? Daugherty? Walton? Yao?

Levity
07-24-2012, 02:30 PM
brandon roy.
basically, "what if..." the portland trailblazers

SilkkTheShocker
07-24-2012, 02:34 PM
Tracy McGrady
He never had the work ethic or desire to be an all time great

UtahJazzFan88
07-24-2012, 02:39 PM
brandon roy.
basically, "what if..." the portland trailblazers

I was about to post Greg Oden before I seen this post. :oldlol:

BGriffin's Dad
07-24-2012, 02:40 PM
He never had the work ethic or desire to be an all time great

exactly... what if he did have that mental drive? he had the talent and physical tools..

similar story with Iverson you could say

Owl
07-24-2012, 02:41 PM
Just a few off the top of my head

Anfernee Hardaway
Steve Francis
Stephan Marbury
Ralph Sampson
Grant Hill (to an extent)
Alonzo Mourning (to an extent)

funny how most of them are PG/SG. Random requirement: must have at least played 5 seasons in the NBA.
Maurice Stokes (Doesn't fit 5 year minimum)
Cleo Hill? (Again doesn't hit minimum requirement)
Connie Hawkins
Aryvdas Sabonis
Bill Walton
Ernie DiGregorio
Phil Ford
David Thompson
Len Bias
Roy Tarpley
(The last 2 are very drug related, the 2 above them injury and drugs and there are multiple other drug related washouts from the late 70s through the 80s, with the last major one that I can remember being Richard Dumas in '94)

macpierce
07-24-2012, 02:42 PM
I'll do you one better...What if Portland drafted MJ???

beat that

imnew09
07-24-2012, 02:44 PM
what if Mj played in this era...

senelcoolidge
07-24-2012, 02:44 PM
Add Maurice Stokes. Career was cut short.

BlueandGold
07-24-2012, 02:44 PM
Maurice Stokes (Doesn't fit 5 year minimum)
Cleo Hill? (Again doesn't hit minimum requirement)
Connie Hawkins
Aryvdas Sabonis
Bill Walton
Ernie DiGregorio
Phil Ford
David Thompson
Len Bias
Roy Tarpley
(The last 2 are very drug related, the 2 above them injury and drugs and there are multiple other drug related washouts from the late 70s through the 80s, with the last major one that I can remember being Richard Dumas in '94)
Oh yea Sabonis would be a massive what if since he was so dominant in russia and continued to put up still pretty impressive numbers even in the way latter stages of his career (which was the only time he was able to play in the nba). At 33 he put up 16/10/3 after both his knees had essentially buckled with him during his days in russia.

Walton i didn't put on there because he was incredibly successful with the trailblazers, even during his short stint there and Bias I didn't put on there because of the restriction i put on years played in the league. But yea any play who had success and then later didn't continue their success could be placed on that list.

How about this one:

World B. Free. (lloyd bernard free)

his best season he averaged 30 ppg and his career averages are 20/2.7/3.7

SilkkTheShocker
07-24-2012, 02:45 PM
exactly... what if he did have that mental drive? he had the talent and physical tools..

similar story with Iverson you could say


McGrady with more drive would have been one of the best ever. He was fun to watch but his laid-back style was never going to get him anywhere. Iverson on the other hand, played hard every game. But he was always selfish and became really delusional later on in his career. Plus, the only way you could really build a team around him was with rebounder, defenders, hustle players, etc. Basically Lebron-ball during the Cleveland era only way less efficient.

senelcoolidge
07-24-2012, 02:45 PM
what if Mj played in this era...

He would have a field day. So much easier now than when he played.

gtfomyface
07-24-2012, 02:46 PM
kobe and shaq :confusedshrug:

BlueandGold
07-24-2012, 02:49 PM
McGrady with more drive would have been one of the best ever. He was fun to watch but his laid-back style was never going to get him anywhere. Iverson on the other hand, played hard every game. But he was always selfish and became really delusional later on in his career. Plus, the only way you could really build a team around him was with rebounder, defenders, hustle players, etc. Basically Lebron-ball during the Cleveland era only way less efficient.
There's no way Iverson should be on that list. I have no doubt he would have won one if he would have been placed in a more ideal situation than he was in. He took a cast of defensive minded misfits to the Finals and his game 1 performance against the 2001 Lakers, one of the most dominant playoff teams of all time, where nothing short of a masterpiece. Remember that AI's 48 point game vs the Lakers was the only game that team lost that year in the playoffs. The fact that the sixers were even in the finals was a miracle.

Imagine Iverson with a defensive specialist who is capable yet unselfish scorer big man like Duncan or Robinson. Manu essentially filled the Iverson role with the Spurs those couple of seasons except that he had nowhere near the offensive load that Iverson had to carry with the 2001 Sixers.

PickernRoller
07-24-2012, 02:54 PM
He would have a field day. So much easier now than when he played.

Naive response and that's ok...you're not alone with the millions that do believe so. Eras shape players to what they become. A Jordan in this era would have shaped him to be a different player all around period. So in a sense he was lucky he played in his era cause the "if's" are huge, both positively and negatively if he had played in this era (2000-2010).

Owl
07-24-2012, 02:56 PM
Oh yea Sabonis would be a massive what if since he was so dominant in russia and continued to put up still pretty impressive numbers even in the way latter stages of his career (which was the only time he was able to play in the nba). At 33 he put up 16/10/3 after both his knees had essentially buckled with him during his days in russia.

Walton i didn't put on there because he was incredibly successful with the trailblazers, even during his short stint there and Bias I didn't put on there because of the restriction i put on years played in the league. But yea any play who had success and then later didn't continue their success could be placed on that list.

How about this one:

World B. Free. (lloyd bernard free)

his best season he averaged 30 ppg and his career averages are 20/2.7/3.7
His rookie numbers are ridiculous when you look at per minute production.
Remember he's already 31, his body's a wreck and most/many european players take some time to adapt to the NBA style.

His per36 production (in a slow and low% era) 22/12.2 on .545 from the field 75.7% from the line (good for a big man) with 2.7 assists, 1.6 blocks and 1.2 steals. That level of production gave him a PER of 24.7.

Sabonis was a lock to be amongst the greatest if not for the whole injuries/communist steriods thing.

Jolokia
07-24-2012, 02:57 PM
If Dwyane Wade was drafted by the Pistons instead of Milicic.

Billups
Hamilton
Prince
Rasheed
Ben

6th man: Wade

Wade overtakes the starting position in 2-3 years with Hamilton's energy off the bench. Three-peat?

Pushxx
07-24-2012, 03:06 PM
If only Bird didn't do his own field work in the offseason. Damn back injuries.

Thorn
07-24-2012, 03:14 PM
Chris Webber, Sidney Moncrief, Bird's back, Magic's health, Walton, Saba, Andrew Toney, all of the guys who fell to drugs such as Bias, Micheal Ray, Tarp, Throw Yao in there too

I actually heard that the Rockets nearly traded Sampson to Portland for Clyde and the #2 pick in the 1984 draft. So Houston could have had Hakeem, MJ and Clyde. Game over for the rest of the league.

Pete Maravich's career is also a huge what if to me. He had so much natural talent and was such a good shooter, having range from practically anywhere on the court. But his career was plagued by so much crap - he had mono one season, he got injured another, so much other stuff. And then his heart gave out on him. Too bad.

edit: previous post implied Yao did drugs which he didn't

BlueandGold
07-24-2012, 03:17 PM
His rookie numbers are ridiculous when you look at per minute production.
Remember he's already 31, his body's a wreck and most/many european players take some time to adapt to the NBA style.

His per36 production (in a slow and low% era) 22/12.2 on .545 from the field 75.7% from the line (good for a big man) with 2.7 assists, 1.6 blocks and 1.2 steals. That level of production gave him a PER of 24.7.

Sabonis was a lock to be amongst the greatest if not for the whole injuries/communist steriods thing.
Yea i remember someone else posting those type of situational stats and i was amazed at how impressive he could have been if he were allowed to play in his mid 20s. Hell at like 35 he led a rag-tag team of 2nd and 3rd fiddles in pippen and wallace to 1 4th quarter collapse of an nba finals.


If only Bird didn't do his own field work in the offseason. Damn back injuries.

yea that's one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.. larry ****ing legend being crippled for life because he chose to personally install his mother's roof.

Bosnian Sajo
07-24-2012, 03:32 PM
Take a second, what if we could rewind the hood?
Better yet, what if the L.O.X. woulda signed with Suge?
What if Puffy never signed us?
What if Oprah made them comments like Imus?
What if you designed this?
Thought like I did
Said it like this
What if Peyton was fightin' dogs instead of Mike Vick?
What if Arnold woulda just let Tookie give life?
What if B.I.G. missed the party?
What if 'Pac missed the fight?
What if you was caged in?
What would you change then?
What if there was no Rocafella law for made men?
What if hate ran through me?
And what if Portland
Would've drafted Jordan instead of Sam Bowie?
What if you really had to be nice to get a deal?
What if all of these rappers' ice was really real?
What if I hit you with the razor from cheek to chin?
What if Mike Jackson never would have bleached his skin?

Asiantastic
07-24-2012, 03:41 PM
What if MJ never retired for the first time?
What if Bynum wasn't injured in 08?
What if KG didn't injure his knee, how many championships would the C's win?

hangintheair
07-24-2012, 03:47 PM
What if the OP didn't post this??????

ShaqAttack3234
07-24-2012, 03:50 PM
Some good ones, but T-Mac is definitely deserving, arguably the most talented player mentioned, certainly above Hill and Penny.

Imagine if he had contending teams at his '01-'05 level, or if he had stayed healthy at what should have been in his prime from age 26-30.

I've always wondered about Penny who was one of my favorites as a kid. He was such a special talent with a really nice skill set, he also showed me more than Hill as far as his ability to raise his game in the playoffs. He only had 3 years before injuries affected him, and he showed a noticeable improvement all 3 years.

But, he also went off vs a great '97 Heat defense taking the 61 win team to 5 despite an injury-plagued cast that did not give him much help.

Even in 2000, he showed he was still one of the top players at his position and one of the more versatile players as well as still an all-star caliber player after switching to shooting guard and losing a fair amount of athleticism.

Sampson was really unique, though I don't think he ever had the mental toughness to truly live up to expectations, he also entered the NBA at a relatively old age for a rookie. But I do think he could have continued to have been quite successful, and I really like watching games from the twin towers era.

Despite the championship, Walton is another big one. Before Walton's injury in '78, Portland appeared to be challenging the '72 Lakers record for wins, and they looked like a potential dynasty. I'd imagine at least a 3peat with the '78 and '79 titles, and if the Lakers build their team the same way, a possible epic showdown with Kareem and the '80 Lakers.

Sabonis is another, there's no disputing his talent. Even as an overweight player in his 30's whose knee injuries robbed him of his great athletic ability, his terrific range out to the 3 point line, his legendary passing skills that compared to any big man I can think of, his fundamentally sound post game, strength and rebounding, made him an excellent center from '96-'00.

In '96, he averaged about 15/8 on 55% in just 24 mpg, 17/11 on 52% in 26 mpg in the 21 games he started that year. Also averaged 16/10 with 3 apg on 49% for the entire '98 season.

Having seen some prime Sabonis games from his European days, I have an idea of how good he was then when he was mobile and athletic.

There are many what ifs for teams, but I assume this is about players.

I also agree with the person who mentioned Webber, he did blow an opportunity in '02, and we had seen how good he could be as an individual, imo(he peaked in '00 as a player), but what would the Kings have accomplished in '03, '04 and maybe beyond if not for Webber's injury? They looked like the best team to me before Webber went down in '03, and had the best record in the West before he even returned in '04.


Hell at like 35 he led a rag-tag team of 2nd and 3rd fiddles in pippen and wallace to 1 4th quarter collapse of an nba finals.

I think this is really selling the 2000 Blazers short. They were widely considered the deepest and most talented team in the league that year, and were not only the preseason favorites to win the championship, but some were predicting 70 wins. They were "the super team" of that year, much like the 2004 Lakers and the 2011 Heat. they did have a meltdown like the '11 Heat, but remained healthy unlike the '04 Lakers.

I wouldn't say Sabonis led that Blazer team either. Sheed and Pippen were definitely their top 2 players, followed by Steve Smith who was coming off 20 ppg seasons while leading a playoff Hawk team, leading them to the second round twice and twice to 50+ wins.

Their bench was also amazing. They made major improvements to a '99 Blazer team that had reached the WCF. They were the most improbable 4th quarter meltdown away from entering the finals as the clear favorite, although the Pacers were certainly above the Eastern Conference champs from '01-'03.

HardwoodLegend
07-24-2012, 04:10 PM
What if Kobe wasn't a biatch and actually started his career in Charlotte with no blackballing "trade me" tactics?

Punpun
07-24-2012, 04:12 PM
What if Kobe wasn't a biatch and actually started his career in Charlotte with no blackballing "trade me" tactics?

Charlotte would be the greatest franchise of the past decade. Easy what if.

:yaohappy:

HardwoodLegend
07-24-2012, 04:15 PM
Charlotte would be the greatest franchise of the past decade. Easy what if.

:yaohappy:

I actually think Kobe would have developed some terrible shotjacking habits and lost his mind in that scenario. Way worse than he did in L.A. even. No Phil Jackson for tutelage and no dominant big man to be able to defer to or open up space on the floor for him.

G.O.A.T
07-24-2012, 04:21 PM
Maurice Stokes (Doesn't fit 5 year minimum)
Cleo Hill? (Again doesn't hit minimum requirement)
Connie Hawkins
Aryvdas Sabonis
Bill Walton
Ernie DiGregorio
Phil Ford
David Thompson
Len Bias
Roy Tarpley
(The last 2 are very drug related, the 2 above them injury and drugs and there are multiple other drug related washouts from the late 70s through the 80s, with the last major one that I can remember being Richard Dumas in '94)

Very good ones. Most of the ones I'd have said. I'll add:

Alex Groza
Reggie Lewis
Sidney Wicks
Bobby Hurley
Jay Williams
Shawn Livingston

Flea
07-24-2012, 04:22 PM
what if Mj played in this era...
Lebron, Wade, Kobe and maybe Duncan wouldn`t have any rings.

Raz
07-24-2012, 04:39 PM
I feel like this thread needs to be re-done.

There are at least 50 very solid NBA what if guys. Off the top of my head:
Old school:
Maurice Stokes
Cleo Hill
Earl Manigault

70's
Raymond Lewis
Bill Walton

80's
Benji Wilson
Michael Ray Richardson
Ralph Sampson
Oscar Schmidt
Sam Bowie
Len Bias
Andrew Toney
Arvydas Sabonis
Larry Bird
Kevin McHale

90's
Roy Tarpley
Magic Johnson
Drazen Petrovic
Reggie Lewis
Michael Jordan
Bobby Hurley
Brad Daugherty
Ronnie Fields
Anfernee Hardaway
Grant Hill
Antonio McDyess
Terrell Brandon

00's
Vin Baker
Shawn Kemp
Tracy McGrady
Alan Houston
Jay Williams
Yao Ming
Dajuan Wagner
Greg Oden
Brandon Roy

The NBA might have been very different if things turned out differently for these guys.

IGotACoolStory
07-24-2012, 04:44 PM
I don't think you can say someone who never played in the NBA (Bias and Jay Williams - ok he played, but I mean really). Mostly because draft picks bust all the time. Just because they looked great in college, it doesn't mean shit in the NBA.

And I've seen some of Bias and watched all of Williams' career and I thought both would be, at minimum, allstars.

Also what happened to Phil Ford? The guy is one of the alltime great college players ever, he goes to NY and wins ROY and then his career head south... I think something to do with alcohol, but I'm clear on what happened.

Raz
07-24-2012, 04:58 PM
I don't think you can say someone who never played in the NBA (Bias and Jay Williams - ok he played, but I mean really). Mostly because draft picks bust all the time. Just because they looked great in college, it doesn't mean shit in the NBA.

And I've seen some of Bias and watched all of Williams' career and I thought both would be, at minimum, allstars.


Well you just contradicted yourself. You said that we shouldn't say draft picks are what ifs, then called both all-stars at minimum.

Of course we need to list these guys. Len Bias was considered a future star by EVERYONE. Only the Cavs FO thought there was something fishy with him, along with the 76ers FO. The Cavs are idiots though, the only thing they ever did right was drafting LeBron

kurple
07-24-2012, 05:07 PM
has to be greg oden.. especially in this weak center era

HardwoodLegend
07-24-2012, 05:09 PM
What if Bernard King stayed healthy and never tore his ACL?


He injured that knee just as he seemed to be on an upswing into his prime... averaging the most points of his career: 32.9.

Owl
07-24-2012, 05:58 PM
Well you just contradicted yourself. You said that we shouldn't say draft picks are what ifs, then called both all-stars at minimum.

Of course we need to list these guys. Len Bias was considered a future star by EVERYONE. Only the Cavs FO thought there was something fishy with him, along with the 76ers FO. The Cavs are idiots though, the only thing they ever did right was drafting LeBron
Bias wasn't a lock. The Celtic faithful including Bill Simmons have acted like he was a 2nd MJ (I think then GM Jan Volk also made MJ comparisons) the reality was Auerbach liked Daugherty too (and had told the Cavs as much before they acquired the number 1 pick through a trade).

Given how much Washburn, Tarpley and Bedford did as drug users (and Bias was one) any hypotheticals of him becoming an impact player depend not only on luck with regard to that one night, but a major lifestyle decision.

Even assuming he did stop taking drugs (and I use stop advisedly, based on Without Bias, and what I've read including Ever Green by Dan Shaughnessy, Bias had taken drugs multiple times before) it's not a given that he'd be great player
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011
Not that this would be a flawless methodology for picking stars but the section at the end sums it up nicely

I'm not saying he would be a bust or even that it would have been impossible for him to be a star, but I am saying that we might have allowed Bias' tragic and untimely passing to distort the way we viewed his potential. Just like anyone who died before their time, there's the tendency to idealize the person and put them up on a pedestal, projecting onto them everything we wished and hoped they could someday be.

Bias was a very good player and entirely worthy of a mention in these threads (as I did in my list). But he was not a lock and the "idiots" in charge of Cleveland left that draft (a notably poor draft, especially at the top end) with Brad Daugherty and Mark Price and got last years 2nd rounder John "Hot Rod" Williams finally cleared to play.

AlphaWolf24
07-24-2012, 06:04 PM
what if Mj played in this era...


(according to the interwebz...it would look alot like this)

- Wanna Be Dr.J Shotjacking ball hogging loser/choke artist his first 7 seasons...Quitter vs Boston Game 4 86' and Detroit 89'

- won 3 titles bieng carried by the greatest defensive player Pippen

- Quit on his team...replaced by a CBA player......teams wins 55 games without him...proves he is overrated

- comes back after failing at baseball......chokes again

- Wins 3 more Titles in a watered down era....shoots a low FG%.....proves he is "enneficient"

- Comes back and Loses 2 more seasons...shoot's 41%.....has 5 Losing sub .500 seasons....by far the most then any other top 10 alltime player.

SilkkTheShocker
07-24-2012, 06:26 PM
Well you just contradicted yourself. You said that we shouldn't say draft picks are what ifs, then called both all-stars at minimum.

Of course we need to list these guys. Len Bias was considered a future star by EVERYONE. Only the Cavs FO thought there was something fishy with him, along with the 76ers FO. The Cavs are idiots though, the only thing they ever did right was drafting LeBron
How were the Cavs idiots for taking Daugherty over a cokehead?

magnax1
07-24-2012, 06:32 PM
I think the biggest since the merger is what if Sabonis was allowed to come to the US. He wasn't quite a Hakeem/Shaq level center, but I think offensively he was near that level from what I've seen of his game in europe. Defensively he wasn't nearly that good, but he was going to be sent to an already contending Portland Trailblazer team, so it's hard to say that he probably wouldn't have gotten in a couple championships from 88-92.

MisterAmazing
07-24-2012, 07:13 PM
kobe and shaq :confusedshrug:

+1

Scholar
07-24-2012, 07:18 PM
What if Magic Johnson never got HIV?

What if Kobe & Shaq never feuded?

What if Michael Jordan had simply remained retired after 1998?

What if Allen Iverson had actually enjoyed practicing?

What if David Stern hadn't vetoed the CP3-to-LAL trade for "basketball reasons"?

Chalkmaze
07-24-2012, 08:46 PM
- What if Kobe told Shaq how his ass tastes?

- What if there were 4 pointers when Antoine Walker played?

- What if there was a girl good enough to play in the NBA?

- What if the league still allowed hand checking? Which players would thrive, which would struggle?

- What if the ABA would have never folded? How different would the NBA have been?

- What if John Amaechi had announced he was gay while still playing in the NBA? Would it have forced a debate or would things have gone on like normal?

- What if the NBA only played 60 games a season, or if they spread the 82 game season + playoffs over the entire year?

RIP CITY
07-24-2012, 10:37 PM
What if Grant Hill never breaks his ankle or has a Doctor who can fix it properly the first time, or even the second time and not take 4 years off his prime? My answer, 2nd best SF of All-Time before LeBron (maybe Durant too) and behind only Bird on the All-Time list.

What if the NBA had referees that were 100% unbiased, didn't favor particular players and teams? My answer, couple teams would have less Championships in their franchise history.

HardwoodLegend
07-24-2012, 11:41 PM
What if Grant Hill never breaks his ankle or has a Doctor who can fix it properly the first time, or even the second time and not take 4 years off his prime?

Forgot about this.

I wish we could have seen how good he and T-Mac could have been together in Orlando at full strength.

Horde of Temujin
07-25-2012, 12:28 AM
What if Robert Horry didnt miss the three point shot at the end of game 5 in the 2003 Western conf finals against the Spurs. That mofo was intercepted by the hand of God, Buddha, Allah, Vishnu, L. Ron, Stern, whoever. So f'n close, in and out.

Horry's legend would've been that much bigger and Lakers win at least 4 straight.

Perhaps, horry doesnt go to SA and help them win.

Perhaps, Kobe/Shaq feud could have been alleviated by success.

Perhaps, Shaq never goes to Miami.

Perhaps, the world never knows D-Whistle

perhaps, Kobe wouldve been better husband and vanessa wouldve been giving it up and lil white girls wouldn't have looked so enticing.

Do Malone/Payton still sign in LA?

ballashotcalla
07-25-2012, 01:41 AM
yao ming
greg oden

ballashotcalla
07-25-2012, 01:46 AM
the bigger what if is yao ming though.

too many people tried tweaking his game. they wanted him to be like shaq. play with his back to the basket and put on more weight. but he was more of a finesse player and should've played like dirk nowtizki.

they kept wanting him to put on more weight and his feet couldn't handle it.

its stupid how in the nba you are labelled soft if you get position in the post and then turn to face the basket after getting the ball.

Soundwave
07-25-2012, 01:47 AM
Just off the top of my head ...

What if Shaq had stayed in Orlando?

What if the Magic had drafted Chris Webber (and kept him)?

What if Portland had drafted Michael Jordan instead of Sam Bowie (lol)

What if Tracy McGrady had stayed in Toronto with Vince Carter?

ballashotcalla
07-25-2012, 01:51 AM
what if scottie pippen was the one to retire, would jordan still win?

Chalkmaze
07-25-2012, 01:51 AM
the bigger what if is yao ming though.

too many people tried tweaking his game. they wanted him to be like shaq. play with his back to the basket and put on more weight. but he was more of a finesse player and should've played like dirk nowtizki.

they kept wanting him to put on more weight and his feet couldn't handle it.

its stupid how in the nba you are labelled soft if you get position in the post and then turn to face the basket after getting the ball.

What the hell are you talking about? The only what if with Yao, is "what if he wouldn't have had injuries?"

Celtic_Pride
07-25-2012, 04:11 AM
http://crabcakesports.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/bias-unc2.jpg

MontaEllis24
07-25-2012, 07:08 PM
If Dwyane Wade was drafted by the Pistons instead of Milicic.

Billups
Hamilton
Prince
Rasheed
Ben

6th man: Wade

Wade overtakes the starting position in 2-3 years with Hamilton's energy off the bench. Three-peat?
not quite the reason darko did not flourish like wade did was because he wasnt utilized often i recall he was called the human cigar was only pulled out when his team was already assured victory. Possibly because of this darkos confidence is a bit low besides that the pistons had a solid line up then. there is a high chance wade would end up like darko had he been drafted by detroit.

greymatter
07-25-2012, 07:30 PM
Biggest as in resulting in completely different outcomes of a team's success? If we're talking about death, injury, or simply bad decision making (or combination), then in no particular order:

Len Bias' death.
Earl Manigault's drug issues which prevented him from playing in the NBA.
Larry Bird's back and Kevin McHale's broken foot.
Bill Walton's ridiculous injury issues.
David Robinson's broken foot (Spurs would never have gotten TD).

Scholar
07-25-2012, 07:40 PM
http://crabcakesports.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/bias-unc2.jpg

What if Jordan wore Jordans in that picture?

Dave3
07-25-2012, 08:03 PM
The obvious one is McGrady having no injuries. Scoliosis will have a lot effects on a lot of other parts of your body over time.

A Second interesting one also about McGrady, what is Duncan had joined him and Hill in 2000 in Orlando. Given their personalities and unselfishness, they may have not only been a very strong dynasty, but may have also lasted for a long time (as opposed to Kobe/Shaq) because they may have gotten along better. McGrady/ Duncan from 2000-2007 would've been champions possibly 4 or 5 times in that span alone.

Freedom Kid7
07-25-2012, 08:07 PM
What if Yao wasn't injured alot?

What if Tmac had motivation?

What if Len Bias didn't OD?

What if Penny didn't injure himself?

What if Grant Hill didn't injure himself?

What if Javale McGee didn't have the IQ of a potato?

What if Shaq had a better motor?

What if the Portland team didn't get injuries (Roy and Oden)?

What if KG went to college?

HYJ
07-25-2012, 09:23 PM
What if the Houston drafted MJ?

What if Jay Williams doesn't have that career ending accident?

What if Ralph Sampson stay healthy?

What if Vince Carter made his last shot vs. 76ers (Game 7)?

What if the Detroit Drafted D-wade/Melo?

28renyoy
07-25-2012, 09:26 PM
What if Portland drafted Jordan...or Durant :lol

tmacattack33
07-25-2012, 09:41 PM
1. What if Penny Hardaway stayed healthy

2. What if Detroit drafted Melo instead of Darko


I know Porltand had a chance to get MJ and Durant, but Portland didn't win a championship so soon after those drafts (like Detroit did in 2004) and they weren't as good as 2004-2008 Detroit. Add Melo to that Detroit team and they coulda dominated from 2004 to 2008 (and beyond).