Iverson Is the Most Overrated Player in NBA History

[SilkkTheShocker]

All he did was put up inefficient scoring numbers on dogshit teams. Dude has been living off that 2001 run forever now. And save the "warrior" excuse he always gets. He didn't make anyone better and retired with that same selfish attitude be has always had.

[TheMan]

All he did was put up inefficient scoring numbers on dogshit teams. Dude has been living off that 2001 run forever now. And save the "warrior" excuse he always gets. He didn't make anyone better and retired with that same selfish attitude be has always had.
So, do you like him or not?

[Mr Exlax]

He sounds like a hater, but I agree 100%.

[SilkkTheShocker]

So, do you like him or not?
I don't hate or dislike him. But he is far and away the most overrated player in nba history

[get these NETS]

rookie of year......mvp...

even reporters who hated Iverson voted for him to win these awards


how is he over rated?

[SilkkTheShocker]

rookie of year......mvp...

even reporters who hated Iverson voted for him to win these awards


how is he over rated?


His 2001 playoff run is very overrated. Mutombo and McKie both put up some big games. People act like that 76ers team was losing everytime Iverson had a bad game, which wasn't the truth at all. Im not saying they were better without him, but he sure as hell didn't carry that team.

[FreezingTsmoove]

One of the best 4th quarter players of all time and he was relentless at getting to line. It didn't matter if he shot poorly he was getting to the line like 12 times a game if I remember correctly. Don't underestimate how well he could run the team either it be on the fastbreak, or the half court. He was a great flashy passer and 6 assist over his career isn't bad for a shooting guard. He was a great defender too. Also a very tough player. Then there was his quickness + his crossover man he was insanely fast back then. I guess it's just me, he revolutionized the game for me so I guess I'm a little biased

[SilkkTheShocker]

Iverson 2001 Playoffs:

Round 1-Indiana

PPG: 31.5
FGA: 26.3
FG% 40.9%

Round 2- Toronto

PPG: 33.7
FGA: 29.7
FG%: 40.9

Round 3- Milwaukee

PPG: 30.5
FGA: 31
FG%: 34.4

NBA Finals vs. LA

PPG: 35.6
FGA: 32.4
FG% 40.7

Yea, he really carried the team :oldlol: Look at some of the numbers Mutombo and McKie put up and tell me that was a one man team.

[kurple]

the ones that call him overrated didnt watch him play. end of

basketball isnt played on paper or 82games.com

[christian1923]

That nigggga iverson was the realest player I've ever seen. What he did at his size was inspirational :applause:

[SilkkTheShocker]

One of the best 4th quarter players of all time and he was relentless at getting to line. It didn't matter if he shot poorly he was getting to the line like 12 times a game if I remember correctly. Don't underestimate how well he could run the team either it be on the fastbreak, or the half court. He was a great flashy passer and 6 assist over his career isn't bad for a shooting guard. He was a great defender too. Also a very tough player. Then there was his quickness + his crossover man he was insanely fast back then. I guess it's just me, he revolutionized the game for me so I guess I'm a little biased



Iverson made losing cool as long as you look good doing it. :applause: And again the "tough player" excuse is weak. No one is questioning his heart. Just his practice habits, innefficiency, and lack of team success.

[Riley Martin]

Do people here put him in the top 15 all-time or something?

I never really see people overrating him that much... most people call him out on his faults and recognize his strengths as a sorer

[Hank]

shotjacker with crappy FG% just like Kobe the stringbean .. But Iverson was a much better and more diverse driver

[noosaman]

Race and personality were the huge factors in his enduring legend.

[Hank]

shotjacker with crappy FG% just like Kobe the stringbean .. But Iverson was a much better and more diverse driver

[SilkkTheShocker]

the ones that call him overrated didnt watch him play. end of

basketball isnt played on paper or 82games.com


You forgot the part about Iverson being "pound for pound" the toughest little man in the game ever.

[NumberSix]

Meh. There are worse players rated higher.

[Kblaze8855]

I hate when people who dont seem to know shit about history talk about such and such being the most ____ in history.

And for all the hate AI gets...he won more than a lot of the HOf and led worse teams to more success than most people who shot better than him.

What good did Adrian Dantleys 30+ a game on 57% even do for the Jazz teams he led? Gervin get more out of his 33 a game on 53% shooting than AI got? No. Bernard King? Charles barkley?

Nope.

When you win as much or more than people shooting high percentages despite less help to do it of what relevance is your field goal percentage?

Chris Paul, Steve nash, Jason Kidd, or just about anyone takes 30 games of Kukoc, 68 games of Tyrone Hill, 57 games of theo Ratliff, Geiger, snow, non one good season Mckie, Billy Owens. rookie todd Mac, Kevin Olie, and Lynch to 50 wins and a playoff series win he would be praised for getting more than the sum of his teammates parts.

Its as if 48 wins and making the second round isnt good enough with just about to retire Keith Vanhorn, Kenny Thomas, Snow, 10 years past his prime Derrick Coleman, Brian Skinner, and Greg Buckner.

Really....

Jason Kidd can win like 42 games with a healthy Vince Carter doing numbers and Jefferson(who missed some games but no more than AIs help always missed) plus a grabbag of role playing nobodies....


AI wins 43 games with Marc Jackson, Kyle Korver, Kenny Thomas, old Big Nasty, rookie Iggy doing 9ppg, and 21 games of post injury Webber who was traded for Kenny and Corliss...


Kidd makes others better and AI is holding his teammates back.

I guess he needed to get more out of washed up Glenn Robinson in the 42 games he had him before he went to the spurs for 9 games before he retired....

He had the remains of Glenn Robinson for 20 minutes with Kenny thomas as his second option most of the season.

That makes AI a loser.

Oscar Robertson takes all NBA first teamer, HOF bound, Jerry Lucas, and an additional allstar and isses the playoffs.

Oscar is top 15 all time and AI is the most overrated ever.

Players nobody will complain about take more than AI had to work with and get less out of it all the time.

But the forever hated on only brought up when some idiot wants to hate on a modern guard by comparing them Allen Iverson...

Is the most overrated of all time.

Not Pistol Pete who did nothing at all but get the greenest light ever from his dad/coach to score 40+ in college before winning less in the pros than Marbury despite some all NBA teammates....

No. Allen Iverson.

Plenty of players nobody has anything negative to say about took teams of stars and didnt win as much as Iverson did with role players....

But hes overrated.

Not them.

He is. even though hes one of the most hated on players ever.

AI should have gotten more out of teams that had Kyle korver and the other Marc Jackson as second and third options. But its fine when a guy who shoots 50% for his career never has a team that poor and doesnt even win a playoff series.

Yea.

Sounds reasonable.......

[ripthekik]

OP was still a child in the early 2000's. Fact.

[gasolina]

Not to discredit Kblaze's post... and I love Iverson so much.... but his style of play made it really hard to find players that gel with him.

He did get the short end of the stick by getting most of his teammates THAT WORKED WITH HIS STYLE OF PLAY on their last legs (Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, old ass DC, Mutombo)

[FreezingTsmoove]

Iverson made losing cool as long as you look good doing it. :applause: And again the "tough player" excuse is weak. No one is questioning his heart. Just his practice habits, innefficiency, and lack of team success.

You dont get as good as he got at barely 6ft by not going hard in practice

[SilkkTheShocker]

OP was still a child in the early 2000's. Fact.

Didn't you just say you were still in school last week? You were still taking weekend trips to the Sandusky house when the 01 Finals happened.

[AlphaWolf24]

The thing that irked me about AI is...


he always acted like henever had any great teammates.....and if he id he always said he could win multipleTitles too..

then wen e did get reat teammates he ***** and moaned and became a cancerous...:confusedshrug:

[coin24]

OP was still a child in the early 2000's. Fact.

This.

Anyone that actually watched iverson play wouldn't say that shit. Silkkthe****** and hank are the 2 worst posters on here. What do you expect from lebron Stan/supposed heat fans:oldlol:

[TheFan]

wow... amazing how life changes... remember when it was 2001 finals and you had the entire world rooting for Iverson and the Sixers.

Every game you had the commentators reminding you how many injuries Iverson has at the moment, how much heart, soul and love for the game it takes to overcome the pain and play...

Now everybody hates Iverson... what a journey...

[noosaman]

wow... amazing how life changes... remember when it was 2001 finals and you had the entire world rooting for Iverson and the Sixers.

Every game you had the commentators reminding you how many injuries Iverson has at the moment, how much heart, soul and love for the game it takes to overcome the pain and play...

Now everybody hates Iverson... what a journey...

I don't remember this at all. I do remember Shaq elbowing Mutombo repeatedly in the trachea and getting away with it.

[Meticode]

Before anyone says anything, no I am not Silk. :lol

[QuebecBaller]

Don't feed the troll...

... he's able to feed himself

[coin24]

wow... amazing how life changes... remember when it was 2001 finals and you had the entire world rooting for Iverson and the Sixers.

Every game you had the commentators reminding you how many injuries Iverson has at the moment, how much heart, soul and love for the game it takes to overcome the pain and play...

Now everybody hates Iverson... what a journey...

This:applause:

The people that hate iverson only started watching bball when he was traded to Detroit or after.. Probably never even watched him play:facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

This.

Anyone that actually watched iverson play wouldn't say that shit. Silkkthe****** and hank are the 2 worst posters on here. What do you expect from lebron Stan/supposed heat fans:oldlol:


So what you are trying to say is that you are a crying ass bitch that has no argument at all, got it.

[magnax1]

He really wasn't all that inneficient though. After being surrounded by somewhat capable offensive pieces in 06, his efficiency jumped by a pretty large amount and he put up a reasonable 54 TS% even though he was still putting up an unreal volume of shots. Then once again when he was surrounded by an overall pretty good offensive team in denver his efficiency jumped to 57 TS%, which is pretty similar to what Kobe put up in his best seasons.

[gasolina]

Lookin back at Iverson's Philly career, FO was a mess. They had several consecutive lottery picks in the mid 90's (Bradley, Sharon Wright, Stack, Iverson, Tim Thomas, Larry Hughes)

They also came across mildly useful players, Jim Jackson, who they traded for Joe Smith (still in prime) who they let go to Minesotta's conniving ass.

Sharone and Bradley were traded for trash.

Stackhouse was flipped for McKie and Ratliff which was awesome. Hughes was traded for Kukoc. Kukoc and Ratliff was then traded for over the hill but still effective Mutombo.

Tim Thomas was traded for the last few years of Tyrone Hill

The rest of that finals squad (Snow, Lynch, Geiger) were underalded trades and signings.

They basically turned the draft picks from 6 years of losing for a one time shot at the chip.

[Kblaze8855]

When you start looking into it....

Many many many many players did less who nobody feels is hard to build around.

Ai being harder to win with than most greats is really just an assumption. You look into what guys like Gervin, Tmac, Nique, Dantley, english, david thompson, and many many many other great scorers did it becomes pretty clear guys nothing like AI were not really accomplishing anything he wasnt despite much more to work with than him.

Its just assumed Iversons team failures are due to something he lacked but the failures of the 80% of the HOf that never did anything he didnt? Just...ignored.

Not like Isiah Thomas was winning before he had a team with 5 stars, an all time great coach, and defense. Isiah in his prime had 2 all stars and a 6th man of the year level scorer and at one point...an additional 20+ a game scorer.

Does as much with it as AI does with nearly retired Keith Vanhorn and nobodies.

Not a knock on Isiah....

Just funny to me.

Way people talk you would think other superstar guard were taking teams like AI had and winning with them. Or...taking better teams than he had and doing something he didnt.

Handful of players ever have really just done a lot more than Allen Iverson and almost to a man they had a lot more help doing it.

There is little evidence in the results that hes harder to build around than most great guards. Most great guards didnt do much of anything.

Maybe its hard to build around guards.

Little evidence its harder to build around AI.

About the best example anyone could point to is the Nuggets getting better with a different/less highly regarded guard. But its not like the Pistons didnt win back to back after they got rid of Adrian Dantley and he couldnt be more of an anti Iverson.

All AI failed to do is win a ring....with a team that should never have even gotten close.

Then he failed to get back to the finals with teams that in philly...shouldnt have been in the playoffs at lal. And in Denver...with teams that didnt make it when he left led by a guy who has been almost as hated on as he is.

Compared to the dozens of examples of guys nothing like AI losing with tons of help, and loaded rosters, and all?

There is little that stands out about AIs career in a negative way.

Kareem took teams with more talent than AI had to no more success plenty of times in his prime. I wouldnt say that means hes hard to build around when hedoesnt have a HOF point.

AIs much hated on career really stands up quite well to people nobody would call hard to build around.

Is there any evidence hes harder to build around than say....Nate thurmond? Or Melo? David Robinson? David accomplish anything AI didnt before he had Duncan? Ewing? Led good teams for a while. Didnt win. Team made it to the finals with him in 94 and made it without him later. But didnt really do anything AI cant say he did. What did Wade do after shaq fell off/before Lebron arrived? Win 15 games and then go out in the first round twice?

But AI gets pointed out as hard to build around.

Most players who didnt win a ring hard to build around or what?

Most players...even most stars or HOf players...dont actually do much AI didnt and most hard more to work with than he did.

If the assumption is they didnt give him much because it wouldnt have worked...id just have to ask why he still did as much as guys who supposedly could mesh with talent...and were given it?

What is the great failure of Iversons career?

What was he....supposed...to do?

Id like someone to tell me.

Was he supposed to win a title?

Thats literally all anyone can say he didnt do.

Did the people he failed to win it with go on to get it without him or what?

There is no evidence AI makes it hard to do anything. Most of his teams did more than they should have. Nobody ever had a career where a team didnt underachieve. AI might have had 2. 06 and the second Denver season perhaps?

Really...there is no good reason for him to have a "Cant win with him" label if 75% or more of the HOF doesnt have it too.

[RaininTwos]

Not to discredit Kblaze's post... and I love Iverson so much.... but his style of play made it really hard to find players that gel with him.

He did get the short end of the stick by getting most of his teammates THAT WORKED WITH HIS STYLE OF PLAY on their last legs (Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, old ass DC, Mutombo)

I dont agree, just because Jerry Stackhouse didn't work out doesn't mean that AI wouldn't be able to play with scoring players.

AI could have used a team of versatile players, ones that could not only just defend and rebound, but also space the floor with their shooting prowess.

That 2001 team was one of the weakest, most flawed teams to ever make the finals. I don't know how people can say that his style of play held GM's back from getting better players that could work with him.

He played ISO ball a lot. So what? Which great two guard hasn't? Are we going to act like Wade/Kobe/MJ/etc...weren't huge ISO guys either?

AI was a slashing two guard. Get some shooters around him, a bench that can score outside of Aaron Mckie. Maybe a post presence or two. All he had was a team full of one dimensional role players outside of Snow,Mckie, and Muotombo. He carried the offensive end alone and still got it done against better more well rounded teams like Indiana and Milwaukee.

It's sad that AI didn't get a well rounded team to work with. Billy King is such a fool. I loved how that team hustled and fought, but they didn't have the skills needed to be a championship team. LA proved that when Kobe would drive and kick it out to people who could knock down threes. When Shaq could pass it out to a player like Fisher and get good results most of the time. AI was the best three point shooter on his squad, whenever he passed it, it was going to a worse shooter...and he wasn't even that good at threes.

[RazorBaLade]

The thing that irked me about AI is...


he always acted like henever had any great teammates.....and if he id he always said he could win multipleTitles too..

then wen e did get reat teammates he ***** and moaned and became a cancerous...:confusedshrug:

He wanted to win on his own. Its obvious.

[gasolina]

I guess where my "hard to build around" comment was coming from the post finals years. Iverson (who was still the media darling) was struggling and the people they put around him (Van Horn - who was still ok, and did good the following season in NY, and old ass DC, Matt Harpring) and a lot of guys were saying just get similar players of the 2001 team.

I do think the whole ISO game plays a part. I do think NBA players have a sense of entitlement in them to shoot and going through stretches were you don't ever touch the ball can weigh down on you.

I am going to say that if Iverson played his prime in the post hand-check era... then we won't be even having this discussion at all

[ripthekik]

Didn't you just say you were still in school last week? You were still taking weekend trips to the Sandusky house when the 01 Finals happened.
When the f did I say such a thing?
You making this post proves you were a kid then, and seeing as you didn't refute it, I'm pretty sure that's correct.

You can criticize him for his FG% and other negatives, but Most overrated?
:facepalm

[Meticode]

This:applause:

The people that hate iverson only started watching bball when he was traded to Detroit or after.. Probably never even watched him play:facepalm
I've seen him play since he was drafted. I think he's overrated. He's a good player, but nothing but an efficient volume scorer that could break his man down and get off a quality shot, that of which he missed almost 60% of the time in the playoffs.

[Tenchi Ryu]

No way in hell you're overrated when you can literally carry a team to the Finals offensively.

[gasolina]

LA proved that when Kobe would drive and kick it out to people who could knock down threes. When Shaq could pass it out to a player like Fisher and get good results most of the time. AI was the best three point shooter on his squad, whenever he passed it, it was going to a worse shooter...and he wasn't even that good at threes.
But you can't replace Eric Snow with Derek Fisher. As much as Iverson would benefit from having someone who could knock down a three, he needed Snow's size and defense to guard bigger 2's. They couldn't bring a real 2 to start since Iverson needs to play off the ball.

Now George Lynch/Jumaine Jones... I don't really know why they stuck with those mfers.

[Meticode]

No way in hell you're overrated when you can literally carry a team to the Finals offensively.
Weak.

[andgar923]

All he did was put up inefficient scoring numbers on dogshit teams. Dude has been living off that 2001 run forever now. And save the "warrior" excuse he always gets. He didn't make anyone better and retired with that same selfish attitude be has always had.

there's a certain player that has tons of worshippers that wears purple and gold we can say the same about.

[d.bball.guy]

OP wasn't born yet in the early 2000's. Fact.
Fixed.

[Meticode]

there's a certain player that has tons of worshippers that wears purple and gold we can say the same about.
Steve Nash makes his players better. :biggums:

[coin24]

Kblaze:applause: :applause:

[SilkkTheShocker]

No way in hell you're overrated when you can literally carry a team to the Finals offensively.


The 76ers defense and rebounding were also huge. No denying that you need to put points on the board to win, but the defense was huge. Look at game 3 of the 2001 ECF. Iverson misses it and the 76ers barely lost. Like I said, they needed Iverson to score. They wouldn't have been better off without him. But some people make it look like he was playing with 4 Steve Urkels in the starting lineup. DPOY, proven coach, and 6th man of the year. Far from stack, but thats not bad lineup relative to the East at the time.

[SilkkTheShocker]

He wanted to win on his own. Its obvious.


Yea but why would he ask for a trade out of Philly than? Iverson can't have it both ways. You can't want to win by yourself but than say you don't have enough when you don't get the job done.

[coin24]

So what you are trying to say is that you are a crying ass bitch that has no argument at all, got it.

What are you, 15?:lol

Your threads are idiotic and you have little to no knowledge about the game. Standard cavs, then heat/lebron stan...

[longhornfan1234]

No...it's Dwyane Wade.


He can't make it out the first round without a stacked team. He's a below average shooter, and average defender.

[SilkkTheShocker]

No...it's Dwyane Wade.


He can't make it out the first round without a stacked team. He's a below average shooter, and average defender.


Wade is criminally underrated. That 06 Heat team was far from stacked. Declining Shaq, great coach, and some good role players.. Antoine Walker was the 3rd leading scorer in the Finals on like 39% shooting. And Wade is a great defender.

[LEFT4DEAD]

I remember how crazy all of the kids on the courts in our city at the begining of 00's about Iverson were. I mean, guy is my favourite player of all time, was my idol, most popular player at the time, we all wanted to be like him. I remember expecting every Sixers game, wondering how many will he score next, who will get killed by his crossover.

And now I see it, stats are changing everything! I mean, how is it possible to change the perception of such a great player in such short amount of time. It has been only ten years since, and prime Iverson went from being the fcking idol to everybody to so called "the most overrated player ever".

The impact of the stats on our perception of the game is getting out of the hand. And now, some kid, who started watching the NBA 2 years ago, came here and wants to say to me that my fcking idol, the most popular player 10 years ago (and it was not even close) is the most overrated player ever.
:biggums: :biggums:

[ripthekik]

I remember how crazy all of the kids on the courts in our city at the begining of 00's about Iverson were. I mean, guy is my favourite player of all time, was my idol, most popular player at the time, we all wanted to be like him. I remember expecting every Sixers game, wondering how many will he score next, who will get killed by his crossover.

And now I see it, stats are changing everything! I mean, how is it possible to change the perception of such a great player in such short amount of time. It has been only ten years since, and prime Iverson went from being the fcking idol to everybody to so called "the most overrated player ever".

The impact of the stats on our perception of the game is getting out of the hand. And now, some kid, who started watching the NBA 2 years ago, came here and wants to say to me that my fcking idol, the most popular player 10 years ago (and it was not even close) is the most overrated player ever.
:biggums: :biggums:
:applause: repped.
The amount of disrespect A.I. gets from kids, like this thread is incredible.

[Da KO King]

Amazing how whenever you don't like a "popular" player you must be super young.

I also think Allen Iverson is over-rated. He took many stupid shots, displayed poor body language and complained at teammates when he threw uncatchable passes, and was impossible to consistently build functioning teams around.

Yet I'm sure because I hold that opinion someone will tell me I don't know the game or never watched him play. You won't come up with an argument that counters anything I say, you'll simply say "oh you never saw him".

[Kblaze8855]

The fact that AI accomplished as much as he did while to this day being the most hated on player of his time is enough to mean he cant be overrated to me.

When 70% of the time someone brings you up.....its negative...you arent overrated.

Hes the only great player of his time who has "___ is overrated" topics made at nearly the rate they are. At least when you consider that those made about Kobe are largely jokes.

[Legends66NBA7]

Amazing how whenever you don't like a "popular" player you must be super young.

OP's also said Bill Russell's overrated and said he can be replaced by Ben Wallace/Hilton Armstrong and they would win 11 or more titles... You do the math.

I don't mind anyone saying Iverson is overrated or hold such an opinion, but he isn't the most overrated player of all-time. Especially when there are better choices to fill out that label.


was impossible to consistently build functioning teams around.

That happens when you also have disfunctional teammates around you, as well.

[DaSeba5]

Kblaze is easily my favorite poster here.

[ripthekik]

I also think Allen Iverson is over-rated. He took many stupid shots, displayed poor body language and complained at teammates when he threw uncatchable passes, and was impossible to consistently build functioning teams around.

Took many stupid shots- who did you want to take them? Aaron Mckie? Retiring Keith van Horn? Dikembe?

Displayed poor body language and complained at teammates- Watched the playoffs this year? Wade and Lebron going apeshiit at Chalmers? Kobe getting pissed as usual?

Impossible to build around- when has the office build him a nice team? the only decent one was 2001, and that team was only good at one side of the court. When he went to the Nuggets his number and stats were quite efficient- someone posted about them in this thread, check that out.

[Da KO King]

OP's also said Bill Russell's overrated and said he can be replaced by Ben Wallace/Hilton Armstrong and they would win 11 or more titles... You do the math.

I don't mind anyone saying Iverson is overrated or hold such an opinion, but he isn't the most overrated player of all-time. Especially when there are better choices to fill out that label.I have no clue about the OP. My point was a general one. Anytime someone doesn't like a popular old player it is the first thing that gets said.




That happens when you also have disfunctional teammates around you, as well.
It happened because Allen Iverson was a 5'11" SG who didn't take practice serious once he reached the NBA. It happened because his size, mind-set, and skill-set made it difficult to get guys who could mesh with him.

[Kblaze8855]

And who did he play with who would be an impact player playing with say...Jason Kidd?

Was he supposed to get more out of Kenny thomas?

Who ever got anything out of Eric snow?

Did I miss when Jerry Stackhouse was a bigtime player? He peaked as a poor mans tall AI.

Webber didnt do shit in Philly...but what did he do on the Pistons and warriors?

Glenn Robinson didnt work. And then he played 9 more games in his career.

KVH do something I missed in NY or on the Bucks or Mavs?

What Aaron Mckie do after AI?

Was there an Aaron Mckie after AI?

Was derrick coleman supposed t ogo back to being Nets DC when he wasnt nets DC on the Hornets?

Who exactly did AI keep from doing anything or prove he couldnt play with when they proved they could do anything important without him?

Melo?

We calling non AI Melo an accomplished team leader?

AI played with a lot of bums, former solid players who turned into bums and proved after they left philly to just be done(Glenn, Webber, and so on) and guys whodidnt do shit with or without him.

Not like he teamed up with a champion and ruined him.

[RazorBaLade]

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[sick_brah07]

Iverson 2001 Playoffs:

Round 1-Indiana

PPG: 31.5
FGA: 26.3
FG% 40.9%

Round 2- Toronto

PPG: 33.7
FGA: 29.7
FG%: 40.9

Round 3- Milwaukee

PPG: 30.5
FGA: 31
FG%: 34.4

NBA Finals vs. LA

PPG: 35.6
FGA: 32.4
FG% 40.7

Yea, he really carried the team :oldlol: Look at some of the numbers Mutombo and McKie put up and tell me that was a one man team.


judging a player based on stats tells two things

one you never watched the man play

two you never played high level of basketball to understand how hard it is to defend a player that can get to the line that well, and how by getting to the ring he created so many putbacks and sec chance points

total summary ....
im sorry to tell you this but you have no idea about basketball

[StateOfMind12]

Back when Iverson was around playing, Iverson was undoubtedly one of the most overrated players. He use to have a cult and a fanbase just like Kobe and LeBron fans currently do and they would always prop up for every little thing he did.

I think these days though Iverson has practically become underrated. People are way too into stats these days that they don't even bother to look into the context of it.

Iverson is up there for most polarizing player ever with Kobe.

[Cali Syndicate]

Iverson 2001 Playoffs:

Round 1-Indiana

PPG: 31.5
FGA: 26.3
FG% 40.9%

Round 2- Toronto

PPG: 33.7
FGA: 29.7
FG%: 40.9

Round 3- Milwaukee

PPG: 30.5
FGA: 31
FG%: 34.4

NBA Finals vs. LA

PPG: 35.6
FGA: 32.4
FG% 40.7

Yea, he really carried the team :oldlol: Look at some of the numbers Mutombo and McKie put up and tell me that was a one man team.

During that 01 playoffs run before they saw the Lakers, 76ers were 4-4 when Iverson shot less than 30 FGA and were 7-2 when he shot at least 30 attempts or more.

You have no idea how much his team depended on his offense.

[DirtySanchez]

When in the hell did Iverson get overrated?

One of the funnest players I watched live during his prime.

Miss that guy.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

In history? That's a stretch. AI is only overrated when people try to say he played with "shit" his entire career. Melo, Mutombo, C-Webb (forget hyperbole; guy was still a 20/10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2006.html) player when Philly acquired him), K-Mart, Camby- at the time, all these dude's were solid.

Despite his shot-jacking/selection, Iverson was a great player. Easily a HOFer. The fact the Sixers were a threat in the early 2000's with no offense is a testament to his greatness.

50pts vs Raps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDLGGjV7j0)
Game 1 vs LAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OppxKDj44E)

Legendary stuff.

[FreezingTsmoove]

http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg508/bloozo/1343125875446.gif

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My goodness still one of my favorite Iverson moments :bowdown:

We need an AI appreciation thread

[Meticode]

When in the hell did Iverson get overrated?

One of the funnest players I watched live during his prime.

Miss that guy.
I agree about being fun, but I feel overrated.

[Kblaze8855]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKoNwyG6ETA

[TheAnchorman]

Overrated by youth during his prime, underrated by basketball purists.

[livingby3's]

little player with a big heart

[noosaman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKoNwyG6ETA

Thats some fine rapping by mr. Iverson.

[gasolina]

People tend to forget how ridiculously hard it was to score during the hand check era. Why don't they bring up stats of other scorers during that time.

They just see stats now of 27ppg on hight fg% and automatically assume things.

Even the free throws iverson got was warranted. I think the only game worth mentioning was the ecf with the bucks but they didn't call ticky tack fouls then.

Iverson > rose, westbrook, deron, cp3 or whoever elite guard you have today.

IMO, put iverson on the 2011 bulls, and they beat the heat

[Ikill]

His 2001 playoff run is very overrated. Mutombo and McKie both put up some big games. People act like that 76ers team was losing everytime Iverson had a bad game, which wasn't the truth at all. Im not saying they were better without him, but he sure as hell didn't carry that team.
not as overrated as Lebrons 07 run where pretty much the same thing happening

[Ikill]

People tend to forget how ridiculously hard it was to score during the hand check era. Why don't they bring up stats of other scorers during that time.

They just see stats now of 27ppg on hight fg% and automatically assume things.

Even the free throws iverson got was warranted. I think the only game worth mentioning was the ecf with the bucks but they didn't call ticky tack fouls then.

Iverson > rose, westbrook, deron, cp3 or whoever elite guard you have today.

IMO, put iverson on the 2011 bulls, and they beat the heat
yea no one was really that efficient at that time

[Ikill]

you still failed to tell how Iverson was overrated

first tell me who overrates Iverson than prove that they overrate them
next tell me where he should actually be rated why should he be rated there

[RazorBaLade]

My goodness still one of my favorite Iverson moments :bowdown:

We need an AI appreciation thread

post one. i hope people post some cool mixes.

i have been checking out some vids but they havent been great

[amfirst]

He was actually pretty darn good in his prime.

[RazorBaLade]

my thoughts as a big fan of iverson when i was a kid just like most

I don't care what the hell he did. The only thing he couldn't get up after being pushed down by was his ego. I respect that. I watched him play against the lakers once live, he hits the floor eveyr time. He gets up and drives even harder the next time.

He is an inspiration. He did it his way and he was ****ing awesome at it.

[Riley Martin]

http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg508/bloozo/1343125875446.gif

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I liked the finish, but I didn't like the dribbling on that possession of his. AI was usually a lot smoother than that in getting past defenders, crossing over or pulling up for pretty difficult jumpers from anywhere on the court.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

People tend to forget how ridiculously hard it was to score during the hand check era. Why don't they bring up stats of other scorers during that time.

They just see stats now of 27ppg on hight fg% and automatically assume things.

Even the free throws iverson got was warranted. I think the only game worth mentioning was the ecf with the bucks but they didn't call ticky tack fouls then.

Iverson > rose, westbrook, deron, cp3 or whoever elite guard you have today.

IMO, put iverson on the 2011 bulls, and they beat the heat

Depends on what your team needs. I would definitely take AI, in his prime, over Rose and Westbrook.

I don't really agree that his poor shot-selection was a result of the ERA he played in. Save this past year, guys like Kobe and Dirk averaged about the same efficiency they did then. So while I do agree that teams pre 2004-05 benefited from handchecking, Iverson's struggles had more to do with his teams makeup than the defense being played.

When he played w/ Iggy and Webb, guys who could create their own shot, he was at a 45% clip; same as Kobe, with equal volume. Check out his numbers with Denver. A team with an actual offense.

26 on 46% shooting. For comparisons sake, Kobe averaged 26 on 46% shooting just a season later.

[32MJ32]

There are some ridiculous claims coming from both sides in here.

Briefly, to those knocking AI:

FG% is not the be all and end all of evaluating a player. Everything the Sixers did was predicated on Iverson getting into the paint and holding the attention of the defense - both on the ball and off the ball. That's not something you can quantify using box scores. He was a one man wrecking crew at 6'0". Teams had to gameplan against him like they would when facing Shaq or Duncan, and that's not something that can be said about many players under 6'6".

Anyone who thinks he was a bad player because he made 42 out of 100 of his shots rather than 45 out of 100 needs to look at the bigger picture.

To those claiming he was far better than any guard today: I'm not sure that's entirely fair. He was a great player but the NBA is full of great guards right now, many of them Iverson's contemporaries.

[Riley Martin]

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1388011_o.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Allen%20Iverson/VS/vs-2.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Allen%20Iverson/VS/3be1d928.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m12jstJNWU1r6hmkyo1_400.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/VS/Comparision%20n%20Similarity/The%20Answer/n%20Starbury/a2b71b63.gif

and the alley oop to himself :oldlol:

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/1210200_o.gif

[Mach_3]

People tend to forget how ridiculously hard it was to score during the hand check era. Why don't they bring up stats of other scorers during that time.

They just see stats now of 27ppg on hight fg% and automatically assume things.

Even the free throws iverson got was warranted. I think the only game worth mentioning was the ecf with the bucks but they didn't call ticky tack fouls then.

Iverson > rose, westbrook, deron, cp3 or whoever elite guard you have today.

IMO, put iverson on the 2011 bulls, and they beat the heat

I was waiting for this. He played in what is probably the best/2nd/3rd best defensive era with the hancheck rules and was still unstoppable getting to the rim.

I see players constantly waltzing into the lane like nobody is there. If he played in this era he'd be a quicker Derrick Rose with better handling and a better ability to create his own shot. Especially from the mid range area:bowdown:

[NewYorkNoPicks]

All he did was put up inefficient scoring numbers on dogshit teams. Dude has been living off that 2001 run forever now. And save the "warrior" excuse he always gets. He didn't make anyone better and retired with that same selfish attitude be has always had.


Based on your taste in music.... Silk The Shocker...really?! Your opinion on everything else is invalid.

[Brandon Roy]

He was the ultimate underdog. People are drawn to that.

He was also ridiculously athletic and paved the way for many of the small guards of today.

Overrated? Depends on the way you look at it.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well hes known as the Cancer, probably more famous than players much greater than him at all time ranking list.

[IGotACoolStory]

I don't remember this at all. I do remember Shaq elbowing Mutombo repeatedly in the trachea and getting away with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OppxKDj44E&t=3m10s

Watching this... My god, how many turnovers did Kobe have in the first half?

And watching prime Shaq is like, holy shit. Sometimes you forget just how much better he was compared to the crap at the center position now days.

[Fawker]

i don't know. he was a trend setter. great player, yes, but he just had so much freedom like he had a franchise on a leash. any other structured environment was not for him after all that control. i can compare him to stevie franchise game wise easy.

[32MJ32]

Steve Francis was to Iverson as Danny Granger is to Durant

[HardwoodLegend]

What was AI's diet and exercise plan like? How did he stay so damn tough and able to play through the pain? Was it mostly genetics?

Even though I don't play pro basketball, I want to develop a tough physique at my compact size.

[gasolina]

I don't really agree that his poor shot-selection was a result of the ERA he played in. Save this past year, guys like Kobe and Dirk averaged about the same efficiency they did then. So while I do agree that teams pre 2004-05 benefited from handchecking, Iverson's struggles had more to do with his teams makeup than the defense being played.
Defense played a good part. Just look at the PPG and FG% of the league pre and post hand check prohibition.

[LAClipsFan33]

http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg508/bloozo/1343125875446.gif

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This.

AI was a bad MF

[HardwoodLegend]

Overrated by youth during his prime, underrated by basketball purists.

Overrated by Lil Bow Wow, underrated by Garth Brooks.

[ILLsmak]

Overrated by Lil Bow Wow, underrated by Garth Brooks.

haha

-Smak