Woj: Hornets Suns Wolves 3-Way Deal

[no pun intended]

Adrian Wojnarowski

Hornets, Suns, Wolves are nearing agreement on a 3-way deal that would send Robin Lopez to the Hornets in a sign-and-trade, sources tell Y!

Along with Lopez, Suns would send Hakim Warrick to Hornets. Minny would send Wesley Johnson and a 1st round pick to the Suns, sources say.

[Pra]

Fancy

[DuMa]

Magic miss out on Lopez again!

[highwhey]

Glad we getting rid of sideshow bob, but what are we getting in return? Id rather have nothing in return than some garbage players

[DirtySanchez]

Wow...this is the big news of the day. How lame.

[irondarts]

Wes Johnson and a 1st round pick to Phoenix and Hakim Warrick and Robin Lopez to the Hornets, no word yet on who the Wolves will get.

[highwhey]

Lol i jst txted my friend about 3 way tarde, made him believe we were getting love n gorson :lol

[Maniak]

Wes Johnson? Meh...

Wonder what type of first round pick we're talking.

[TexasBloodMoney]

What the hell are the wolves getting? They're giving up Wes AND a 1st? I know he's not that good but seems excessive.

Unless....

Eric Gordon? Obviously not but the wolves would be scary good be if they got him!

[Levity]

What the hell are the wolves getting? They're giving up Wes AND a 1st? I know he's not that good but seems excessive.

Unless....

Eric Gordon? Obviously not but the wolves would be scary good be if they got him!

Ive been trying to figure this out as well. I'm leaning towards dudley. i dont know what his contract is like, but it seems like the only piece that either team has/is willing to give up, that the timberwolves could actually use. pure speculation, of course.

[TexasBloodMoney]

Ive been trying to figure this out as well. I'm leaning towards dudley. i dont know what his contract is like, but it seems like the only piece that either team has/is willing to give up, that the timberwolves could actually use. pure speculation, of course.

Ahhhh Dudley makes much more sense.

[Maniak]

I highly doubt we're giving up Dudley for Johnson and a 1st.

[Maniak]

At least part of package back to Minny would include Brad Miller (his contract), Jerome Dyson and draft picks, sources say.

-Woj

[highwhey]

What the hell are the wolves getting? They're giving up Wes AND a 1st? I know he's not that good but seems excessive.

Unless....

Eric Gordon? Obviously not but the wolves would be scary good be if they got him!
Y wwld u want gordon? U got broy. I know hell play limites minutes but gordon is a high caliber player, deserving of all minutes he can get. Plus, yall dnt nees more acoring, money wld be better spend on some defense....

[stallionaire]

Let's get Beasley back.

[TexasBloodMoney]

Y wwld u want gordon? U got broy. I know hell play limites minutes but gordon is a high caliber player, deserving of all minutes he can get. Plus, yall dnt nees more acoring, money wld be better spend on some defense....

I keep forgetting that they got Roy (Btw Im not a wolves fan, just saying that EG would make them legit).

Blazers all day!

[MeLO MvP 15]

Wow. I know Wes Jihnson was kind of a bust, but he's young and still has potential..... But to use a first to dump him!! Wow

[niko]

Wolves will use cap space to sign AK-47, watch...

[Maniak]

Wolves will use cap space to sign AK-47, watch...
That's probable.

[D-Rose]

Using a first rounder to dump the 4th pick in the draft only 2 years ago? wow.

[Maniak]

Using a first rounder to dump the 4th pick in the draft only 2 years ago? wow.
They'll regret it....I hope.

[ZenMaster]

Using a first rounder to dump the 4th pick in the draft only 2 years ago? wow.


He's not performing so you have to move on, especially if they have a chance of getting Kirilenko who fills a big need.
Minny needs to make the playoffs this next season, it's important for their development.

[no pun intended]

Wolves will use cap space to sign AK-47, watch...
Yup, that's what Woj just reported. Subtract black guy, add more white guys. Operation Whiteout.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Hopefully Wes J gets no minutes at SF I wanna finally see Beasley get some big quality minutes and good development. I cant believe he wasn't even a starter last year

[bagelred]

Minnesota CrackaAssCrackas

[Maniak]

Hopefully Wes J gets no minutes at SF I wanna finally see Beasley get some big quality minutes and good development. I cant believe he wasn't even a starter last year
He'll probably see more minutes at the 2. Suns already have Dudley and Beasley at the 3.

[no pun intended]

He'll probably see more minutes at the 2. Suns already have Dudley and Beasley at the 3.
Yeah, he played the 2 many games for the Wolves. I forget that Wes is older than Andrew Bynum as well LOL.

[niko]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Several league executives believe Minnesota is pursuing free agent Andrei Kirilenko. He's no longer considering Brooklyn, sources say.

As someone mentioned above.

[AAckley1]

Wow. I know Wes Jihnson was kind of a bust, but he's young and still has potential..... But to use a first to dump him!! Wow

Where is this youth & potential you see in Wesley Johnson? He was essentially a senior when he was drafted & is 25 years old now. His game is essentially a finished product.

[FireDavidKahn]

Wow. I know Wes Jihnson was kind of a bust, but he's young and still has potential..... But to use a first to dump him!! Wow
He is awful in every single way. Just awful.

[PejaNowitzki]

Suns are just collecting 1st rounders left and right......in B4 they all get sold off as usual.

[Horde of Temujin]

Wes Johnson and a 1st round pick to Phoenix and Hakim Warrick and Robin Lopez to the Hornets, no word yet on who the Wolves will get.

Wolves are probably seeking some white guy.

[JustinJDW]

For some reason, I've always been under the impression that Wesley Johnson has been in the league for a good 4-5 seasons, and just hasn't panned out yet. But looking now, guy was only drafted in 2010! Kid only played two seasons at 22mpg, and they're packing a 1st with him to trade him? Let him get a chance to adjust in the league a little bit eh?

Or am I just totally off? I don't watch many Wolves game, so maybe its just clear that he just doesn't have what it takes to a be a significant piece in the NBA. I don't know.

[maxhornets]

Just hope the pick the hornets are said
to be giving to the wolves isn't there first round pick... I'm expecting another lottery pick in next years draft so we can add one more young piece to our core and the hornets are looking like a solid team going foward. I'm very happy with this trade if we're giving up only a second round pick

[MJ(Mean John)]

Man. I kept thinking we were taking about Wesley Mathews.

Lol. I kept thinking, "wtf? This dude is on the wolves? He's a baller. Lol

[wally_world]

WOW i would LOVE that for Phoenix

Wesley Johnson is solid and makes up for our loss of Childress. More importantly we get rid of Warrick's contract. Will be going from 3 to 1 bad contracts this offseason :cheers:

[midatlantic09]

WOW i would LOVE that for Phoenix

Wesley Johnson is solid and makes up for our loss of Childress. More importantly we get rid of Warrick's contract. Will be going from 3 to 1 bad contracts this offseason :cheers:

You classify someone with a player efficiency rating of 8.0 as solid???

:lol :lol :lol

[Raz]

WOW i would LOVE that for Phoenix

Wesley Johnson is solid and makes up for our loss of Childress. More importantly we get rid of Warrick's contract. Will be going from 3 to 1 bad contracts this offseason :cheers:


???????


On another note,
Who the heck does Brad Miller play for? I thought he was with Minnesota already, but reports are they receive him?

[wally_world]

You classify someone with a player efficiency rating of 8.0 as solid???

:lol :lol :lol

Well, Childress gave us 5.5 last season hahaha :lol

Solid for a bench guy. With Beasley, Dudley, Brown, someone like Wes will be a good 4th wing player. He had a decent rookie season too, 9/3/2 with solid defense.

[Raz]

Solid for a bench guy. With Beasley, Dudley, Brown, someone like Wes will be a good 4th wing player. He had a decent rookie season too, 9/3/2 with solid defense.

He's a bum, and he should play the same role as Childress in Phoenix, DNP.

[fatboy11]

Who the heck does Brad Miller play for? I thought he was with Minnesota already, but reports are they receive him?

Apparently, he was traded with two future 2nd round picks to New Orleans for a 2nd round pick on July 13. :confusedshrug:

Had to check on that myself.

[Maniak]

???????


On another note,
Who the heck does Brad Miller play for? I thought he was with Minnesota already, but reports are they receive him?
He apparently was on the Hornets.

edit: darn it fatboy.

[stallionaire]

Wes Johnson is currently the worst player in the NBA. I'd take Scalabrine over him.

[Maniak]

Suns are just collecting 1st rounders left and right......in B4 they all get sold off as usual.
I think (actually, hope) that they're being collected to package for a big trade.

[O_City_Thunder]

I thought Brad Miller retired. Wasn't he on the bench crying or something because it was his last game? :confusedshrug:

[stallionaire]

WOW i would LOVE that for Phoenix

Wesley Johnson is solid and makes up for our loss of Childress. More importantly we get rid of Warrick's contract. Will be going from 3 to 1 bad contracts this offseason :cheers:

ISH- Where people say players are solid despite NEVER seeing them play.

Wes Johnson is a game away from the D-League. Trust me. He's terrible. I'd take a 2nd round pick for him from the Heat.

[Rab]

I like it merely for the pick, and dumping Warrick's awful deal. Wes Johnson is an afterthought to me, much like Vince Carter was in the Gortat deal, but the Suns will need help at his position, so he would fill a need.

[Raz]

Apparently, he was traded with two future 2nd round picks to New Orleans for a 2nd round pick on July 13. :confusedshrug:

Had to check on that myself.

Weird. Where were Woj and Stein tweeting about this one all day long? :roll:

[Maniak]

I like it merely for the pick, and dumping Warrick's awful deal. Wes Johnson is an afterthought to me, much like Vince Carter was in the Gortat deal, but the Suns will need help at his position, so he would fill a need.
Yeah. I like Warrick but he wasn't very useful last year and getting rid of his deal is nice.

What does Wes' contract look like anyways?

[wagexslave]

ISH- Where people say players are solid despite NEVER seeing them play.

Wes Johnson is a game away from the D-League. Trust me. He's terrible. I'd take a 2nd round pick for him from the Heat.
At least he has upside, unlike Warrick, who gets nearly 0 minutes. And we're getting a first round pick basically to exchange one mediocre player for another both with similar contracts. Nothing wrong with that.

[fatboy11]

Yeah. I like Warrick but he wasn't very useful last year and getting rid of his deal is nice.

What does Wes' contract look like anyways?

About 10 million over the next 2 seasons.

4.3 million this year, 5.4 million if they pick up his option for next season.

[Raz]

At least he has upside, unlike Warrick, who gets nearly 0 minutes. And we're getting a first round pick basically to exchange one mediocre player for another both with similar contracts. Nothing wrong with that.

You guys do make out well in the trade. But back to Wes Johnson, the guy has a great NBA body and skill-set, but has no basketball IQ at all. He reminds me of Gerald Green, but dumber.

[Maniak]

Yeah unless he breaks out I doubt we'll pick up his option.

[fatboy11]

Yeah unless he breaks out I doubt we'll pick up his option.

I think they have to decide before this season starts or around the time this season starts with it being a rookie deal. I could be wrong, though.

I don't see them picking up that option, either.

[Rab]

I think they have to decide before this season starts or around the time this season starts with it being a rookie deal. I could be wrong, though.

I don't see them picking up that option, either.
Agreed. I think they'll let him play out this year and keep that money open for the offseason next year.

[Rab]

Yeah. I like Warrick but he wasn't very useful last year and getting rid of his deal is nice.

What does Wes' contract look like anyways?
Warrick usually produced offensively, but he never contributed much else. He's a good bench player, but not with that contract. I actually like him as well, but this is a total win for the Suns.

[wagexslave]

About 10 million over the next 2 seasons.

4.3 million this year, 5.4 million if they pick up his option for next season.
4.3 is about the same exact amount Warrick is making next year anyways.

[Crown&Coke]

I've been a huge Wesley Johnson fan since he was at Syracuse.

Trouble for him in Minny was, its Minny. And they kept playing him at the 2 and asked him to shoot jumpers all day. Move him to the 3 and put him in the frontcourt. His rebounding will go up. He won't be overmatched on defense. He can get out on the break rather than hang back to ensure an outlet pass, he can drop into the paint to get try and get offensive boards instead of having to sneak back on defense to balance the transition defense.

I think Alvin Gentry is a good coach for him. Players coach who puts his guys in a position to succeed.

but I've said 2 years running this dude was going to break out. Im not going to say it this time and hope Im wrong once again, my track record is pretty solid in that regard

[MeLO MvP 15]

Wes Johnson- Mike Beasley: Re-united and it feels so good.

I love this for the Suns. They dump a sh!tty contract (Warrick), pick up a young guy (I see Wes getting a lot of hate, but I still think he can be good on the right team) and get a first rounder all for a sign and trade of their back up center.

I also like the squad New Orleans is building. I didn't like the Jack trade and I thought they could've used Okafor/Ariza (but not at their prices so it's reasonable), but Lopez/ Anderson/ Davis is a nice, very young front court. Davis can play with either Lopez or Anderson which gives them lots of flexibility with line ups.

I've always liked Minny's roster even though I think they're giving up too early on Beasley/Johnson... they're gonna be really dependent on Williams. I know they went for Batum and are going for AK47 now, but I think they're taking a huge risk. Assuming Rubio can come back in the same form (big assumption), they're gonna still have to hope Roy can hold up and Williams can give them meaningful minutes.

[Raz]

Trouble for him in Minny was, its Minny. And they kept playing him at the 2 and asked him to shoot jumpers all day. Move him to the 3 and put him in the frontcourt. His rebounding will go up. He won't be overmatched on defense. He can get out on the break rather than hang back to ensure an outlet pass, he can drop into the paint to get try and get offensive boards instead of having to sneak back on defense to balance the transition defense.


He's 25. I don't see much room for improvement on what he is, and what he is isn't much. I don't hate on many NBA players, but Wes Johnson is truly one of the stupidest players I have witnessed. He steps foot onto the court, and he looks stunned.

[nosfan773]

About 10 million over the next 2 seasons.

4.3 million this year, 5.4 million if they pick up his option for next season.

Are you sure its a team option for next season?

http://goo.gl/t2rDb

[wagexslave]

Are you sure its a team option for next season?

http://goo.gl/t2rDb
Pretty sure they're talking about Wes Johnson

[B-Easy8]

I've been a huge Wesley Johnson fan since he was at Syracuse.

Trouble for him in Minny was, its Minny. And they kept playing him at the 2 and asked him to shoot jumpers all day. Move him to the 3 and put him in the frontcourt. His rebounding will go up. He won't be overmatched on defense. He can get out on the break rather than hang back to ensure an outlet pass, he can drop into the paint to get try and get offensive boards instead of having to sneak back on defense to balance the transition defense.

I think Alvin Gentry is a good coach for him. Players coach who puts his guys in a position to succeed.

but I've said 2 years running this dude was going to break out. Im not going to say it this time and hope Im wrong once again, my track record is pretty solid in that regard

Wes started the whole season at the 3 last season and still sucked. If he gets his jumper back though he could become an excellent role player. He is quick, athletic and is a good defender.

[FireDavidKahn]

I've been a huge Wesley Johnson fan since he was at Syracuse.

Trouble for him in Minny was, its Minny. And they kept playing him at the 2 and asked him to shoot jumpers all day. Move him to the 3 and put him in the frontcourt. His rebounding will go up. He won't be overmatched on defense. He can get out on the break rather than hang back to ensure an outlet pass, he can drop into the paint to get try and get offensive boards instead of having to sneak back on defense to balance the transition defense.

I think Alvin Gentry is a good coach for him. Players coach who puts his guys in a position to succeed.

but I've said 2 years running this dude was going to break out. Im not going to say it this time and hope Im wrong once again, my track record is pretty solid in that regard
The trouble for Wesley, is that he is Wesley Johnson. I honestly don't know if you've seen him play at all very much in the NBA. For starters....

1) He cannot shoot the ball. His 1 year at Syracuse was an aberration.
2) He cannot dribble the ball at all. He has some of the worst handles in the NBA (including centers and power forwards)
3) He is incredibly soft.
4) He doesn't play good defense.
5) He has no drive at all.
6) He doesn't slash.
7) He stands around and does nothing a lot.
8) He has no aggression in him.

[KGMN]

The trouble for Wesley, is that he is Wesley Johnson. I honestly don't know if you've seen him play at all very much in the NBA. For starters....

1) He cannot shoot the ball. His 1 year at Syracuse was an aberration.
2) He cannot dribble the ball at all. He has some of the worst handles in the NBA (including centers and power forwards)
3) He is incredibly soft.
4) He doesn't play good defense.
5) He has no drive at all.
6) He doesn't slash.
7) He stands around and does nothing a lot.
8) He has no aggression in him.

One thing... while Wes isn't a great defender, he's definitely not bad. When motivated (like against Kobe that one game), he can play exceptional defense. Otherwise, his defense is at minimum passable.

[Cermet]

Why the f3ck are we giving up Lopez AND Warrick for nothing ????

[wally_world]

Why the f3ck are we giving up Lopez AND Warrick for nothing ????

1st round pick from Minny, and we get rid of Warrick's bad contract. Wesley Johnson has a chance to be a decent bench guy, if not he's expiring anw

[FireDavidKahn]

1st round pick from Minny, and we get rid of Warrick's bad contract. Wesley Johnson has a chance to be a decent bench guy, if not he's expiring anw
The first round pick coming from Minny is actually a lottery projected first from Memphis.

[Cermet]

And the thing is that both Timberwolves and Memphis are playoff teams. So those lottery picks are not much.

[OmniStrife]

And the thing is that both Timberwolves and Memphis are playoff teams. So those lottery picks are not much.
Minny is not.

[stallionaire]

Minny is not.
We're making the playoffs next season, guaranteed.

[fatboy11]

Are you sure its a team option for next season?

http://goo.gl/t2rDb

100% sure. The last two years of EVERY 1st round pick's rookie deal is a team option.

Or did you think I was talking about someone other than Wes Johnson?

[fatboy11]

We're making the playoffs next season, guaranteed.

I realize that's just a fan guarantee, but the Wolves aren't guaranteed to be a playoff team in the West. Barring mass injuries, the only guarantees in the West are OKC, San Antonio, both LA teams, Memphis, and Dallas. The other two spots will be hotly contested between Minnesota, Phoenix, Denver, Utah and possibly Portland. Minnesota is in the mix, though. I'd consider them a favorite for one of the two final spots with Denver and Utah.

[Maniak]

I don't think Dallas is guaranteed.

[irondarts]

This deal is in jeopardy of happening, there's some major things that need to be worked out if the deal is going to go through, if the deal falls apart and doesn't happen, then Minny will have to make some other moves to be able to sign AK47

link (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/20120725phoenix-suns-trade-robin-lopez-hakim-warrick-new-orleans-hornets.html)

[Crown&Coke]

The trouble for Wesley, is that he is Wesley Johnson. I honestly don't know if you've seen him play at all very much in the NBA. For starters....

1) He cannot shoot the ball. His 1 year at Syracuse was an aberration.
2) He cannot dribble the ball at all. He has some of the worst handles in the NBA (including centers and power forwards)
3) He is incredibly soft.
4) He doesn't play good defense.
5) He has no drive at all.
6) He doesn't slash.
7) He stands around and does nothing a lot.
8) He has no aggression in him.

that wasn't intended as a shot at your team but they have done little of note other than get lottery picks.

You've probably seen him play 400x times more than I. I seen him play about 20-25 NBA games in his career, not a huge total I know, but Minny aint really lighting it up on ESPN and TNT. One of the games I did watch was when he went at Kobe and dropped like 25 on him, and played some stellar defense. Shot the lights out with confidence

He was the Big East player of the year, and balled in big games. Was a top 4 pick despite having a horrid year as you say at 'Cuse.

As for the rest of your remarks about his game, those are your thoughts. Mine differ

[fatboy11]

I don't think Dallas is guaranteed.

Collison
Mayo
Marion
Dirk
Kaman

Bench: Brand, West, Vince, Roddy, Crowder, Wright, James

Not a playoff lock? :confusedshrug:

That's better than last year's team. By far.

[Maniak]

Collison
Mayo
Marion
Dirk
Kaman

Bench: Brand, West, Vince, Roddy, Crowder, Wright, James

Not a playoff lock? :confusedshrug:

That's better than last year's team. By far.
They're a favorite for me to make the playoffs, but in the West it's not a lock and they're not on the same tier as memphis/lala/okc/san an

[wagexslave]

The first round pick coming from Minny is actually a lottery projected first from Memphis.
Source?

[fatboy11]

They're a favorite for me to make the playoffs, but in the West it's not a lock and they're not on the same tier as memphis/lala/okc/san an

I agree that they aren't a top 4 team in the West, but they're a lock for the bottom 4 playoff spots. There won't be 8 teams in the West with a better record than Dallas. There might be 6 or 7, but there won't be 8.

[stallionaire]

I don't think Dallas is guaranteed.

Agreed.

[Cermet]

Minny is not.

They made quite a few good off-season moves that should make the needed push for the playoffs.
And Portland for example did not do shit, so they are out of the playoff contention talk.

[fatboy11]

Agreed.

But you say Minnesota is? :confusedshrug: