A.I. Stat....33 PPG WTF?

[EveryManALion]

So i am looking at Allen Iversons Wikipedia page and I only started watching the NBA during the 2007-2008 season i do not know much about peak A.I. but it says in the 2005-2006 season he put up 33 PPG? Wtf This has to be wrong....right? Was he really that beastly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson

[gtfomyface]

So i am looking at Allen Iversons Wikipedia page and I only started watching the NBA during the 2007-2008 season i do not know much about peak A.I. but it says in the 2005-2006 season he put up 33 PPG? Wtf This has to be wrong....right? Was he really that beastly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson

Poor team = lots of shooting, this was kobe's 35 ppg year wasn't it, lol. Nowadays all the great scorers are on stacked teams so 30+ ppg isn't really necessary :rolleyes:

[StateOfMind12]

I remember three players were scoring 30+ in the '05-'06 season and those 3 players were Lebron, Iverson, and Kobe. A lot of individual players specifically perimeter players score in high volume that season and I'm assuming it had a lot to do with the new rule change of no more hand-checking.

[Toizumi]

Allen Iverson is sixth all time in PPG....
One of the best at creating for himself and one of the deadliest players in NBA history.
Maybe not such a great team player, maybe not the best lockerroom player (although he was loved by most of his teammates on his Philly teams), but an unbelievable talent with the ball in his hands.

[ripthekik]

Second highest ppg in the playoffs with 29.73, only behind Michael Jordan as well :applause: :applause:

[Bandito]

AI was the man in his time. If he had a playmaker helping him he would've had his ring.

[Jax]

Second highest ppg in the playoffs with 29.73, only behind Michael Jordan as well :applause: :applause:Lebron just posted 30.3 PPG, so you gotta check those stats...

[Batz]

Lebron just posted 30.3 PPG, so you gotta check those stats...
Lebron's post-season average is 28.5 PPG. Which is pretty impressive aswell.

[Jax]

Lebron's post-season average is 28.5 PPG. Which is pretty impressive aswell.
True that, I failed. He didn't say career average, I thought single season.

[Rolando]

A.I. was a weapon. He constantly attacked and, if I remember correctly, played the whole game with perhaps only a 2-4min break.

Great shooter.
Alltime great ball handler.
Alltime great stamina and endurance.
Alltime great passion for the game.

Never even had a side-kick until Melo. At that point it was too late.

[DCL]

a lot of fools who say he's overrated have amnesia.

33ppg on 45% Fg is sick on any level. you put that up in the NBA, you are an elite player.

[Nick Young]

At 40%

the one chucker to rule all chuckers

[Horatio33]

At 40%

the one chucker to rule all chuckers

A Kobe fan with name Nick Young would know all about that.

[jbryan1984]

AI was a machine, no doubt. I have mad respect for the Answer. Its just a shame he can't come off the bench for someone and get a ring.

[Blue&Orange]

a lot of fools who say he's overrated have amnesia.

33ppg on 45% Fg is sick on any level. you put that up in the NBA, you are an elite player.
Poor man Tyronn Lue.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

But he didn't practice..

[OldSchoolBBall]

Overrated as a scorer imo, but dude was all heart, played through dozens of injuries, and had perhaps the most stamina of all time. Think about this: from '99-'08 (10 seasons) this dude played between 41-44 mpg every season, and then 43-47 mpg in the postseasons (most of which were very short, but still). He had poor teams which meant he had to play big minutes, but regardless, very, very few players in history could have played all-out like he did at those mpg for that many years.

[guy]

Overrated as a scorer imo, but dude was all heart, played through dozens of injuries, and had perhaps the most stamina of all time. Think about this: from '99-'08 (10 seasons) this dude played between 41-44 mpg every season, and then 43-47 mpg in the postseasons (most of which were very short, but still). He had poor teams which meant he had to play big minutes, but regardless, very, very few players in history could have played all-out like he did at those mpg for that many years.

While partying all the time and never really caring about taking care of his body. Ridiculous. Probably has alot to do with why he fell off a cliff once he got old, but still ridiculous.

[chocolatethunder]

A.I. was a weapon. He constantly attacked and, if I remember correctly, played the whole game with perhaps only a 2-4min break.

Great shooter.
Alltime great ball handler.
Alltime great stamina and endurance.
Alltime great passion for the game.

Never even had a side-kick until Melo. At that point it was too late.
Poor shooter.
Had a great passion that drove him to not practice and alienate himself from his teammates.

[chocolatethunder]

Allen Iverson is sixth all time in PPG....

Maybe not such a great team player, maybe not the best lockerroom player (although he was loved by most of his teammates on his Philly teams)
He most certainly was not loved, in fact his teammates resented him for not practicing and it cause dissent on the team especially at the end of his tenure in Philly.

[SevereUpInHere]

He most certainly was not loved, in fact his teammates resented him for not practicing and it cause dissent on the team especially at the end of his tenure in Philly.


Quotes or stories pleeeeeeease.

[ripthekik]

He most certainly was not loved, in fact his teammates resented him for not practicing and it cause dissent on the team especially at the end of his tenure in Philly.
And you know this because?
How about you bring up some numbers? How many times did he not go to practices that his team held? Which guys on his Philly team actually came out to dislike him? Show me something substantial instead of spewing crap

[StateProperty]

At 40%

the one chucker to rule all chuckers
45% and 7.5 assists that year. Doesn't make him not a chucker but give him full credit for a great season.

[christian1923]

He wa such a fucckkking beast!!:bowdown:

When he carried the east all star team in the 2nd half:bowdown: Godly

[NOHCP3]

Simmons maintains AI would come to practice drunk.... It's Simmons though.

[Chrono90]

a lot of fools who say he's overrated have amnesia.

33ppg on 45% Fg is sick on any level. you put that up in the NBA, you are an elite player.

:cheers:

[get these NETS]

be easy with the entire "practice" thing because truth be told, the GREAT Bill Russell hated practice and I think he used to read the paper during team practices.

i've read it in numerous sports bios but here is the text

[B]Admittedly, after a while, Russell would start to lose his edge. At practice one day, Red asked him why he looked so bad. Bill said he was tired.

Red told him not to scrimmage that day. From that day forward, at practices, after the team went through

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Why is everyone hating on Iverson these days?

[chocolatethunder]

And you know this because?
How about you bring up some numbers? How many times did he not go to practices that his team held? Which guys on his Philly team actually came out to dislike him? Show me something substantial instead of spewing crap
This was straight from Billy King's mouth on 610 WIP. If you were from the Philly area you would know what that was. He literally missed practice all the time. Not like a few times a season but all the time. When Pat Croce was there he served as a mediator between Larry Brown and Iverson because Iverson wouldn't listen and wouldn't practice. I'm not spewing anything, this is well known. In his last few years there he was at practice very infrequently. When you live in the area where someone plays, you know a lot more about that person than what gets reported in the national media. I'm not slagging him. I'm glad he was a Sixer. He had a great championship run. His first few years sucked and the team sucked and he sucked. When Larry Brown got there they played really well. After he left it all fell apart again. Iverson was never a gym rat. Almost all of the greats from Jordan to Bird to Kobe to Lebron are/were. Go watch his "practice" rant. It'll give you plenty of insight into how he viewed practicing. What he failed to realize is that it also builds relationships with your teammates. Here's the deal, I wouldn't trade his time in philly for any other player, but I'm a realist and not an apologist for this dude. I enjoyed most of his time here in Philly. Him and his crew and his dumbass uncle had an awful reputation around town. Just because someone can play basketball doesn't make them a great guy or loved my his teammates. Jordan was a total asshole and not loved by his teammates. Magic was mostly like by his teammates but had an awful reputation w fans and when he came back Nick VanExel hated him and used to ridicule him and call him fat. That doesn't make him a bad player that just means these people are just people not gods.

[Blue&Orange]

Simmons maintains AI would come to practice drunk.... It's Simmons though.
Again poor man Tyronn Lue, Tyrone would come to practice in a alcoholic coma.

[LockoutOver11]

Why is everyone hating on Iverson these days?

they miss him.

[Ikill]

he shot 45% Kobe averaged two more shots while scoring two more points so there efficiency was pretty much the same. His team was also 3-7 without him.
What do you guys who had the second best regular season in 06
per 36
Iverson: 28/6/3/1.6/0.1 3 turnovers 54% ts
Lebron: 27/6/6/1.3/0.7 3 turnovers 57% ts
Wade: 25/6/5/1.8/0.7 3 turnovers 58% ts

[Ikill]

Dirk was good too
25/9/3/1/1 59% ts

[stax]

Again poor man Tyronn Lue, Tyrone would come to practice in a alcoholic coma.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Poetry]

I remember three players were scoring 30+ in the '05-'06 season and those 3 players were Lebron, Iverson, and Kobe. A lot of individual players specifically perimeter players score in high volume that season and I'm assuming it had a lot to do with the new rule change of no more hand-checking.

I'm actually researching this season right now, it is a very odd season for scoring. Historically odd. Compare it to other years, you'll find a lot of strange anomalies.

[Smoke117]

Second highest ppg in the playoffs with 29.73, only behind Michael Jordan as well :applause: :applause:

Yes 29.73pts on 26.5 shots on .377% shooting is quite an impressive feat. :rolleyes:

[ripthekik]

Yes 29.73pts on 26.5 shots on .377% shooting is quite an impressive feat. :rolleyes:
Find me someone who scored just as much with better percentage. Oh wait, there's just MJ :lol

[DuMa]

I'm actually researching this season right now, it is a very odd season for scoring. Historically odd. Compare it to other years, you'll find a lot of strange anomalies.

its the 2nd season after they made it illegal for defenders to handcheck on the perimeter

[BGriffin's Dad]

Find me someone who scored just as much with better percentage. Oh wait, there's just MJ :lol

you mean Iverson is the 30th highest scorer (http://bkref.com/tiny/7GtOy) in the playoffs

32.9 is still impressive but not 2nd behind Jordan :lol

[RaininTwos]

you mean Iverson is the 30th highest scorer (http://bkref.com/tiny/7GtOy) in the playoffs

32.9 is still impressive but not 2nd behind Jordan :lol
:coleman:

They are talking about the All-time Career Playoff PPG record, not just a single season.

[GOBB]

a lot of fools who say he's overrated have amnesia.

33ppg on 45% Fg is sick on any level. you put that up in the NBA, you are an elite player.

Nothing more than a 5'8 3/4 Ben Gordon.

[Poetry]

its the 2nd season after they made it illegal for defenders to handcheck on the perimeter

I know, it's just so odd to see how greatly it altered the course of individual scoring. Jordan really probably could have put up 45+ that season.

[IGotACoolStory]

Why do people on this board have some much trouble comprehending?

Obviously 29 ppg (or 32.9) wouldn't be second overall in NBA history for a single playoff run... So what else could they be talking about? Use your head.

[RaininTwos]

I know, it's just so odd to see how greatly it altered the course of individual scoring. Jordan really probably could have put up 45+ that season.
Seriously doubt that.

[GOBB]

Yes 29.73pts on 26.5 shots on .377% shooting is quite an impressive feat. :rolleyes:

.377? Where you pull that stat from? Let me guess, your ass. Where you do the most talkin. :rolleyes:

[Crown&Coke]

AI was a beast.

tough dude. played a ton of minutes and took a beating. And he always had the best defender on him, while the rest of the defense had their eye on him shading to his direction. and he still dropped 30 on them

guy played with heart. he earned my respect with his play

[heavensdevil]

So i am looking at Allen Iversons Wikipedia page and I only started watching the NBA during the 2007-2008 season i do not know much about peak A.I. but it says in the 2005-2006 season he put up 33 PPG? Wtf This has to be wrong....right? Was he really that beastly?

I get the feeling that you know that the stats are accurate, and that this thread is an attempt to remind people of how great of a scorer A.I. was.

[hotsizzle]

Damn it feels like yesterday that he did that, now seeing that some ppl didn't even know he did it #gettinold

[bmd]

So i am looking at Allen Iversons Wikipedia page and I only started watching the NBA during the 2007-2008 season i do not know much about peak A.I. but it says in the 2005-2006 season he put up 33 PPG? Wtf This has to be wrong....right? Was he really that beastly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_IversonIverson used to be one of the very best and most popular players in the NBA in the early to mid 2000's. He was the ultimate scorer.

I can remember everybody wanting to be like Iverson... buying his shoes, wearing arm sleeves, etc. Some people I know even wore finger bands when he started doing that.

[tmacattack33]

Yeah, he was pretty good. He was also good in Denver.

[ripthekik]

you mean Iverson is the 30th highest scorer (http://bkref.com/tiny/7GtOy) in the playoffs

32.9 is still impressive but not 2nd behind Jordan :lol
fuking dumbass.. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Now does it seem more impressive, knowing it is his career playoff avg?

anyways I thought this was a stat that everybody knew. AI was the #2 behind Jordan in career playoff average. If you don't know this you haven't been watching the playoffs in the 2000's.

single season playoff avg? pffft who the hell cares about that. Only lebron fans:sleeping

[Dave3]

fuking dumbass.. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Now does it seem more impressive, knowing it is his career playoff avg?

anyways I thought this was a stat that everybody knew. AI was the #2 behind Jordan in career playoff average. If you don't know this you haven't been watching the playoffs in the 2000's.

single season playoff avg? pffft who the hell cares about that. Only lebron fans:sleeping
Wrong. 32.9 is his playoff career high average, which was in 2001. His entire career playoff average is 29.7 like has already been said. You should probably check numbers before calling people names, because then those names end up applying to you.

[DonDadda59]

I remember three players were scoring 30+ in the '05-'06 season and those 3 players were Lebron, Iverson, and Kobe. A lot of individual players specifically perimeter players score in high volume that season and I'm assuming it had a lot to do with the new rule change of no more hand-checking.

Yup, that was the banner year for the NBA's no touching policy on the perimeter and Kobe, AI, Lebron all put up their best PPG while D-Wade evolved into D-Whistle in the finals.

[Dave3]

Yup, that was the banner year for the NBA's no touching policy on the perimeter and Kobe, AI, Lebron all put up their best PPG while D-Wade evolved into D-Whistle in the finals.
10 separate players recorded career highs that season, and that was only out of the 15 or so I thought to check first.

[BarberSchool]

At 40%

the one chucker to rule all chuckersIverson did have multiple NBA seasons in his prime where his FG% was actually 39% or lower. And he had 4 or 5 post-seasons where his FG% was 39% or lower, including his finals run where the east's 5-8 seeds were sub-.500.

But he was a great scorer, and an incredible player to watch. He's a hall of famer.

[BarberSchool]

Yup, that was the banner year for the NBA's no touching policy on the perimeter and Kobe, AI, Lebron all put up their best PPG while D-Wade evolved into D-Whistle in the finals.
http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2010/7/20/eb7b7da7-ca01-4076-87fc-aa0035a8cbd6.jpg


That does explain an awful lot about that particular season, now, doesn't it.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Remember when Allen Iverson scored 28ppg on 39% from the field?
:D

[ripthekik]

Wrong. 32.9 is his playoff career high average, which was in 2001. His entire career playoff average is 29.7 like has already been said. You should probably check numbers before calling people names, because then those names end up applying to you.
Check out what number I posted in the previous page. I was the one who posted 29.7... not 32.9 You should read posts before replying.



Second highest ppg in the playoffs with 29.73, only behind Michael Jordan as well :applause: :applause:

[EveryManALion]

I get the feeling that you know that the stats are accurate, and that this thread is an attempt to remind people of how great of a scorer A.I. was.


Dude, last time i quoted wikipedia was Ray Allens stats for last year and everyone said it was incorrect so i was just making sure, i really dont care about AI one way or the other, this board is filled with way too many drama mongers. A question is a question. Thats all.

[dude77]

Yes 29.73pts on 26.5 shots on .377% shooting is quite an impressive feat. :rolleyes:

yep .. you'll reach 29 pts eventually if you put up enough shots ..

.. but I give him lots of credit for overchieving for his size

[CelticBaller]

Remember when Allen Iverson scored 28ppg on 39% from the field?
:D
Remeber when Kidd was shooting on the same FG% and scored less? :roll: :roll:

[StateOfMind12]

Check out what number I posted in the previous page. I was the one who posted 29.7... not 32.9 You should read posts before replying.
:oldlol: That was pretty pathetic of him.


Yup, that was the banner year for the NBA's no touching policy on the perimeter and Kobe, AI, Lebron all put up their best PPG while D-Wade evolved into D-Whistle in the finals.
It is kind of strange how they all went back down to earth in 2007 and 2008 though. I'm assuming teams and players finally learned how to play defense without using their hands and touching. They started playing better and smarter with their feet.

[D-Wade316]

:oldlol: That was pretty pathetic of him.


It is kind of strange how they all went back down to earth in 2007 and 2008 though. I'm assuming teams and players finally learned how to play defense without using their hands and touching. They started playing better and smarter with their feet.
Wade didn't. Outside of the injury of course

[vinsanity2756]

So i am looking at Allen Iversons Wikipedia page and I only started watching the NBA during the 2007-2008 season i do not know much about peak A.I. but it says in the 2005-2006 season he put up 33 PPG? Wtf This has to be wrong....right? Was he really that beastly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson
You should watch his playoff run in 2001, then you would see how he could flat out score the basketball

[Ikill]

:oldlol: That was pretty pathetic of him.


It is kind of strange how they all went back down to earth in 2007 and 2008 though. I'm assuming teams and players finally learned how to play defense without using their hands and touching. They started playing better and smarter with their feet.
not really Lebron got worse in 07 but was the same in 08 but better defense

Kobe was more efficient in 07 and 08 he just didnt take as many shots

AI was about the same in 07 and 08 too but didnt take as many shots. He was averaging 26.4 points on 19 shots in 08 only a bit worse than Lebron this year who score 27.1 points with 19 shots this year.

Wade was easily better in 07 even with the injuries before them he was pretty much playing like a more efficient version of 09 with more turnovers

[Poetry]

10 separate players recorded career highs that season, and that was only out of the 15 or so I thought to check first.

7 of the top 10 scorers posted career highs that year. I intend on checking every year to compare, but for comparison, you can look at the year MJ averaged 37 and only find 3 players with career highs (MJ, Magic, and i want to say, McHale.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Wade was easily better in 07 even with the injuries before them he was pretty much playing like a more efficient version of 09 with more turnovers

How was Wade more efficient in '07 than '09?

He averaged 30.2 ppg in '09 on 49.1 FG% as well as 31.7 3P% while making 1.1 threes. Before his injury, he was averaging 28.8 ppg on 49.5 FG%, but he was not any kind of 3 point threat yet making just 21 in those 45 games while shooting 27.3%.

FG% was about even despite scoring less even before the injury in '07, but he was making more than twice as many 3s per game in '09.

And turnovers aren't separate from efficiency, they're much like a missed shot, especially turnovers that are kept in play by the other team without a dead ball which often lead to easy baskets.


So i am looking at Allen Iversons Wikipedia page and I only started watching the NBA during the 2007-2008 season i do not know much about peak A.I. but it says in the 2005-2006 season he put up 33 PPG? Wtf This has to be wrong....right? Was he really that beastly?

Iverson was a great player from '99-'08, but he didn't impress me as much as the numbers suggest in '06. He was a better player in other seasons so '06 was not peak AI. But he was still a top 10 player in '06.

Iverson's best season was '01, then probably '05. After that? I'm not sure. You could make a case for '06 as well as '08 and '03 as his 3rd best season. He hadn't lost much by '06, and he was always one of the best scorers who was on teams that relied on him shooting a ton. He averaged 30 ppg 4 times in his career so it's not too surprising. I didn't expect him to score that much, but some of it had to do with the new rules and especially the new interpretation which caused perimeter scoring to go through the roof, as well as Iverson becoming more ball-dominant having moved back to point guard the previous season for the first time since '98.

What's interesting for those such as yourself that didn't follow Iverson's whole career is that he was always getting hit hard, especially for a 6'0", 165 pound player since he was aggressive and fearless. So he regularly had nagging injuries, and when he missed over 30 games in '04 and struggled that year, people thought he was breaking down and that those hard hits were finally getting to him. But he responded in '05 with one of his best years, and obviously '06. Amazingly, he was a great player until '08 when he was 32(turned 33 shortly after the season).

Surprising for him to have had solid longevity as far as elite seasons, his career went way downhill after that, but part of that had to do with the situations and lack of opportunities.

[Richie2k6]

by far his best statistical season, and a very good one by any standards.

this is ISH though. so nobody will acknowledge and respect it simply because it's Iverson :oldlol:

[tontoz]

So i am looking at Allen Iversons Wikipedia page and I only started watching the NBA during the 2007-2008 season i do not know much about peak A.I. but it says in the 2005-2006 season he put up 33 PPG? Wtf This has to be wrong....right? Was he really that beastly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson



That was either the first or second season of the no hand check rule which was a big help to small, quick guards who could beat guys off the dribble.

[Ikill]

How was Wade more efficient in '07 than '09?

He averaged 30.2 ppg in '09 on 49.1 FG% as well as 31.7 3P% while making 1.1 threes. Before his injury, he was averaging 28.8 ppg on 49.5 FG%, but he was not any kind of 3 point threat yet making just 21 in those 45 games while shooting 27.3%.

FG% was about even despite scoring less even before the injury in '07, but he was making more than twice as many 3s per game in '09.

And turnovers aren't separate from efficiency, they're much like a missed shot, especially turnovers that are kept in play by the other team without a dead ball which often lead to easy baskets.




He had a higher ts% and scored more points per shot while scoring only one less point pre injury. So he was more efficient scoring wise in 07 probably because he got the free throw line more and hit a higher percentage. Overall tho yeah he was more efficient and dangerous in 09 because of turnovers and jumpshot. Anyways Wade was better in 07 pre injury than he was in 06

[markymark]

Sounds like he was a pretty good player...

[Lebron23]

Iverson is an amazing scorer during his prime. Wish he had a good offensive sidekick in his prime.

[tpols]

Iverson is an amazing scorer during his prime. Wish he had a good offensive sidekick in his prime.

He had prime melo that year... and shot 39% in the playoffs first round L.

[Phoenix]

He's become a bit underappreciated because every stat now is broken down at the molecular level for advanced stat tracking, which spurns more discussion on what he wasn't than what he was.

Also, dat 8 year bump. :oldlol: