Garnett VS Nowitzki-Year By Year Since 2001

[StateOfMind12]

Who was the better player in each of these years?

2001-
2002-
2003-
2004-
2005-
2006-
2007-
2008-
2009-
2010-
2011-
2012-


IMO,

2001- Garnett
2002- Garnett
2003- Garnett
2004- Garnett
2005- Garnett
2006- Dirk
2007- Dirk
2008- Garnett
2009- Dirk
2010- Dirk
2011- Dirk
2012- Garnett

2002 was the only tough one for me but at the end KG win 7-5 to me.

[Raz]

Who was the better player in each of these years?

2001-
2002-
2003-
2004-
2005-
2006-
2007-
2008-
2009-
2010-
2011-
2012-


IMO,

2001- Garnett
2002- Garnett
2003- Garnett
2004- Garnett
2005- Garnett
2006- Dirk
2007- Dirk
2008- Garnett
2009- Dirk
2010- Dirk
2011- Dirk
2012- Garnett

2002 was the only tough one for me but at the end KG wins 7-5 to me.

Statistical analysis? Check
In-depth analysis? Check

This looks amazing. Have you thought about publishing it?

[Odinn]

2001 - Garnett
2002 - Nowitzki
2003 - Garnett
2004 - Garnett
2005 - Nowitzki
2006 - Nowitzki
2007 - Nowitzki
2008 - Garnett
2009 - Nowitzki
2010 - Nowitzki
2011 - Nowitzki
2012 - Garnett

[Odinn]

2005- Garnett
Really?..:rolleyes:

[StateOfMind12]

Really?..:rolleyes:
Dirk wasn't the player he was in 06, 09, etc. yet in 2005.

I'm assuming you only have Dirk above him that season because he made it to the playoffs while KG didn't but it's hard to fault KG considering how he was just put in a flat out worse situation.

KG looked and played no different than he did in 2004. He was just playing in a different situation which is far from his fault.

[Pushxx]

Years before 2001 shouldn't be disregarded. Garnett put up 23/12/5 on 50% shooting in 2000 versus Dirk's 18/6/2.5.

Dirk is one of the best PFs ever, but KG is ahead of him all-time.

[guy]

Who was the better player in each of these years?

2001-
2002-
2003-
2004-
2005-
2006-
2007-
2008-
2009-
2010-
2011-
2012-


IMO,

2001- Garnett
2002- Garnett
2003- Garnett
2004- Garnett
2005- Garnett
2006- Dirk
2007- Dirk
2008- Garnett
2009- Dirk
2010- Dirk
2011- Dirk
2012- Garnett

2002 was the only tough one for me but at the end KG wins 7-5 to me.

Agree completely with this, but there is no reason you shouldn't use 1999 and 2000 as well. So with that being the case, its KG wins 9-5.

[R.I.P.]

If you can actually remember what each guy did in each of these years you need a life. This is just a troll thread either way.

[Odinn]

Dirk wasn't the player he was in 06, 09, etc. yet in 2005.
I do not agree. Especially in the Western 2nd round, despite losing, he was capable of being the player he was in 2006.


I'm assuming you only have Dirk above him that season because he made it to the playoffs while KG didn't but it's hard to fault KG considering how he was just put in a flat out worse situation.
Nope. While Nowitzki is All-NBA 1st, Garnett was All-NBA 2nd. Nowitzki was 3rd in mvp race. Garnett was 11th.
You can say mvp race is affected by team success but how 'bout All-NBA selections?


KG looked and played no different than he did in 2004. He was just playing in a different situation which is far from his fault.
2005 Nowitzki would make that team, a playoff team. Agree or disagree?

[StateOfMind12]

You can say mvp race is affected by team success but how 'bout All-NBA selections?
About every individual award is affected by team success, even DPOY. Like I said, KG was just as good in 2005 as he was in 2004 and even the stats prove that. The only difference is the situation he was placed in got much worse with Cassell's injury, none of his teammates producing as well anymore, etc.



2005 Nowitzki would make that team, a playoff team. Agree or disagree?
Possibly, but I would also argue that 2005 Garnett would make the Mavericks an even better team.

I've always said that KG could do better than what Dirk could do for the Mavericks from 2000-2005. The later version of the Mavericks I am not so sure though but I would have to think through that some more.

[Yung D-Will]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't KG have nagging injuries in 05?

[StateOfMind12]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't KG have nagging injuries in 05?
He played all 82 games in 2005. His partner in crime Sam Cassell had nagging injuries in 2005 though.

[Odinn]

About every individual award is affected by team success, even DPOY. Like I said, KG was just as good in 2005 as he was in 2004 and even the stats prove that. The only difference is the situation he was placed in got much worse with Cassell's injury, none of his teammates producing as well anymore, etc.
Before Cassell's injury, they had a L6 run. Their record w/o Cassell was 12-11, pretty close to their regular season record.


Possibly, but I would also argue that 2005 Garnett would make the Mavericks an even better team.

I've always said that KG could do better than what Dirk could do for the Mavericks from 2000-2005. The later version of the Mavericks I am not so sure though but I would have to think through that some more.
I can agree with that. But my reason wouldn't be KG being a better player than Dirk. Mavs in the first half of 2000s had much firepower if we remember Nash and Finley being Mavericks. Garnett could fit better than Nowitzki. Also Nowitzki could fit better than Garnett to Minnesota. They needed more firepower.

[miles berg]

'04-'05 was one of the best years Nowitzki ever had. He was extremely focused after losing Nash for nothing.

Led them from 51 wins (w/Nash) to 58 wins and from 1 playoff win (w/Nash) to 6 playoff wins.

That was the team that had new players everywhere (Harris, Jet, Damp) and Josh Howard was taking over Michael Finley's spot as the team's #2 guy (Finley had become the 4th option after Dirk, Josh, & Jet by this point).

[28renyoy]

I don't like the years seeing as Dirk was 21 in 2001 while KG was in his 6th season, but whatever. And it's likely that in the next few years, as Dirk is still at the tail end of his prime while KG is almost done(i believe last year was an aberration) that Dirk will end up 8-7 from 01-15

01-Garnett
02-Garnett
03-Garnett
04-Garnett
05-Garnett
06-Dirk
07-Dirk
08-Garnett
09-Dirk
10-Dirk
11-Dirk
12-Garnett

Pretty cut and dry IMO. But like I said, it's not fair to compare a 21 year old Nowitzki to a 6th year vet KG

[Bigsmoke]

Dirk was awesome in 2005

[ShaqAttack3234]

I agree with all of the OP's choices, the only one I even find questionable at all is '12 when I can see the case for Dirk, but KG is the guy I'd probably choose as well.

[StateOfMind12]

Before Cassell's injury, they had a L6 run. Their record w/o Cassell was 12-11, pretty close to their regular season record.
I believe Cassell was banged up with injuries all season though that affected him this entire season. I do not remember much because I did not follow the NBA too avidly this season for whatever reason. It appears that Cassell wasn't even the starter for about half of the games he played in and that Troy Hudson had taken his place. I am assuming it had a lot to do with Cassell struggling and not playing as well.

If you compare Cassell's numbers in '05 to what they were in '04, there is a significant difference. There is actually significant difference in just about every Minnesota player in '05 compared to '04, everyone was much worse except KG.


I can agree with that. But my reason wouldn't be KG being a better player than Dirk. Mavs in the first half of 2000s had much firepower if we remember Nash and Finley being Mavericks. Garnett could fit better than Nowitzki.
Indeed, Finley, Nash, and Dirk were almost the same players anyways so having a different player like KG replacing Dirk would make the Mavericks much better.


Also Nowitzki could fit better than Garnett to Minnesota. They needed more firepower.
I think this is possibly true but I'm still not sure if they would get past the 1st round until later like KG did. KG was pretty much never expected to win any playoff series until 2004 so I've never understood the flack he got for never getting past the 1st round especially when his competition was fierce down West.

I always thought Dirk could do better with less than KG could due to the fact that Dirk is the better offensive player and offensive anchor. I'm not sure if that necessarily makes him better than KG though because KG was better than Dirk at just about everything else and I always thought KG could do much better than Dirk could on good/great teams.

[RIP CITY]

2001- Garnett
2002- Garnett
2003- Garnett
2004- Garnett
2005- Garnett
2006- Garnett
2007- Garnett
2008- Garnett
2009- Dirk
2010- Dirk
2011- Dirk
2012- Garnett

Give me Garnett every single year of his Minnesota career over Dirk. He did everything on the court better than Dirk with the exception of scoring (including intangibles, like leadership/mental toughness/physical toughness) and it's not like he was scoring 15 PPG while Dirk was scoring 22-26 PPG, he was dropping 20-24 PPG. The only reason Dirk has a couple years over KG recently is because KG is declining. KG had just as much impact on his teams defense as Dirk had on his teams offense, except KG was a very good offensive player, one of the better offensive players in the NBA, while Dirk was a terrible to average at best defender that whole time. Give Garnett Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson and he definitely has more than 1 ring right now.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Someone care to explain why so many are choosing garnett in 05 when dirk made first team all nba and went farther in the playoffs?

[Mr Know It All]

2001- Garnett
2002- Garnett
2003- Garnett
2004- Garnett
2005- Garnett
2006- Garnett
2007- Garnett
2008- Garnett
2009- Dirk
2010- Dirk
2011- Dirk
2012- Garnett

Give me Garnett every single year of his Minnesota career over Dirk. He did everything on the court better than Dirk with the exception of scoring (including intangibles, like leadership/mental toughness/physical toughness) and it's not like he was scoring 15 PPG while Dirk was scoring 22-26 PPG, he was dropping 20-24 PPG. The only reason Dirk has a couple years over KG recently is because KG is declining. KG had just as much impact on his teams defense as Dirk had on his teams offense, except KG was a very good offensive player, one of the better offensive players in the NBA, while Dirk was a terrible to average at best defender that whole time. Give Garnett Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson and he definitely has more than 1 ring right now.

:facepalm

Dirk led the league in PER, Win Shares, and Wins Per 48 both years and led his teams to 60+ wins and a magnificent Finals run in 2006. Typical anti-Dirk bias.

[miles berg]

Dirk has been better for awhile, the last year that KG was a better player than Dirk was '03/'04.

[RIP CITY]

:facepalm

Dirk led the league in an imaginary stat created by a nut job at BSPN that means absolutely jack sh*t and led his very talented teams to 60+ wins and a magnificent Finals run in 2006 that ended in the most talented team in the NBA losing in the Finals while Dirk choked once again. Typical truthful Dirk analysis.

Fixed.

[Mr Know It All]

Fixed.

Where was KG that year again? Please remind me?

[StateOfMind12]

Someone care to explain why so many are choosing garnett in 05 when dirk made first team all nba and went farther in the playoffs?
Because Kevin Garnett was still the better player, he was just in a different and worse situation. There is hardly a difference between '04 KG and '05 KG and most people considered KG as the best player in the league in 2004.

Just about every accolade like All-NBA teams, MVP votings, even DPOY, and etc. have a lot to do with team success.

Garnett was punished for being put in a worse situation and that is about it.

[Mr Know It All]

Because Kevin Garnett was still the better player, he was just in a different and worse situation. There is hardly a difference between '04 KG and '05 KG and most people considered KG as the best player in the league in 2004.

Just about every accolade like All-NBA teams, MVP votings, even DPOY, and etc. have a lot to do with team success.

Garnett was punished for being put in a worse situation and that is about it.

Why do you have Garnett over Dirk in 2012 then? Because even with his initial slump Dirk's numbers are still more impressive, and he was still clearly the better player.

[ILLsmak]

Statistical analysis? Check
In-depth analysis? Check

This looks amazing. Have you thought about publishing it?

lol ainunaussie?

Aussies are funny.

-Smak

[StateOfMind12]

Why do you have Garnett over Dirk in 2012 then? Because even with his initial slump Dirk's numbers are still more impressive, and he was still clearly the better player.
Because Garnett was the better player.

Didn't Dirk show up to the season out of shape and had to take some games off due to the fact that he had conditioning problems?

Plus, Dirk wasn't as effective this season compared to what he once was whereas KG practically turned back the clock when he was moved to the Center spot. Dirk declined and declined pretty hard whereas KG was still going hard.

[RIP CITY]

Where was KG that year again? Please remind me?

He was in Minnesota playing like the clear cut #2 PF in the NBA (behind Duncan), carrying a crappy team that had a worse Owner, worse GM, worse Coach and worse roster than the Mavericks.

[magnax1]

01-KG
02-KG
03-KG
04-KG
05-KG
06-KG
07-Hard to call, but I'd probably say Dirk. That was a bit of an off year for KG. It was the first year he had real injury problems, probably the biggest drop off in his play during his extended prime (00-08) He also didn't look quite as completely focused defensively to me. On top of that, this is either Dirk's best or second best season to me (09 is the other season I might make a case for)
08-KG. Dirk had an off year for whatever reason, and KG rebounded a little bit from 07 to me.
09 onward-Dirk
I just gave explanations for seasons I thought were close, and left the seasons that had a clear winner alone.

[CJ Mustard]

There's not a single year I'd take Dirk over KG in until his injury in 09.

[tmacattack33]

KG in probably every year that he was healthy in, except for the last few years in which he was too old in and had lost a step.

[noosaman]

Dirk has been better than Garnett ever since 2005 and by a big margin

[SilkkTheShocker]

Years before 2001 shouldn't be disregarded. Garnett put up 23/12/5 on 50% shooting in 2000 versus Dirk's 18/6/2.5.

Dirk is one of the best PFs ever, but KG is ahead of him all-time.


Dirk's 2011 season/playoffs shits on anything KG has ever done. Dirk won as the lead-dog.

[noosaman]

KG in probably every year that he was healthy in, except for the last few years in which he was too old in and had lost a step.

LOL. KG was basically better when he was in his prime and Dirk was younger. Dirk was far better ever since 2005 than KG ever was, taking similarly crappy teams to far greater heights than KG ever could.

[oolalaa]

2001....Kevin Garnett
2002....Kevin Garnett
2003....Dirk Nowitzki
2004....Kevin Garnett
2005....Dirk Nowitzki
2006....Dirk Nowitzki
2007....Dirk Nowitzki
2008....Kevin Garnett
2009....Dirk Nowitzki
2010....Dirk Nowitzki
2011....Dirk Nowitzki
2012....Kevin Garnett

7-5 in favour of Dirk.

[TheBigVeto]

2001- Garnett
2002- Garnett
2003- Dirk
2004- Dirk
2005- Dirk
2006- Dirk
2007- Dirk
2008- Dirk
2009- Dirk
2010- Dirk
2011- Dirk
2012- Dirk

The Almighty Dirkrules wins this one easily.

[Kews1]

2001- Garnett
2002- Garnett
2003- Dirk
2004- Dirk
2005- Dirk
2006- Dirk
2007- Dirk
2008- Dirk
2009- Dirk
2010- Dirk
2011- Dirk
2012- Dirk

The Almighty Dirkrules wins this one easily.

****** :no:

[midatlantic09]

Is this some sort of joke? Garnett is way better than Dirk. All Dirk can do is shoot fadeaway jumpers. The guy plays no defense, isn't a good rebounder, can't handle the ball, and is softer than frozen yogurt on a hot summer day in Phoenix while in the paint.

Garnett is a superior player in every way other than when it comes to shooting fadeaway jumpers.

[noosaman]

Is this some sort of joke? Garnett is way better than Dirk. All Dirk can do is shoot fadeaway jumpers. The guy plays no defense, isn't a good rebounder, can't handle the ball, and is softer than frozen yogurt on a hot summer day in Phoenix while in the paint.

Garnett is a superior player in every way other than when it comes to shooting fadeaway jumpers.

Pretty much this. Dirk scores 99% of his buckets off of fadeaways and literally does nothing else. Brian Cardinal and JJ Barea went off in the entire 10-11 playoffs which is why the Mavs won.

Garnett on the other hand is always clutch, never afraid to take big shots, and shuts down everyone he ever guards including Dirk in 01-02 when he held Dirk to 35 and 17 on 60% shooting (which of course was all fadeaways).

[RIP CITY]

Better post player: Garnett
Better finisher: Garnett
Better passer: Garnett
Better handles: Garnett
Better screen setter: Garnett
Better athlete: Garnett
Better post defender: Garnett
Better perimeter defender: Garnett
Better pick and roll defender: Garnett
Better shot blocker: Garnett
Better offensive rebounder: Garnett
Better defensive rebounder: Garnett
Better rebounder in clutch situations: Garnett
Better defender in clutch situations: Garnett
Better physical presence in the paint on offense: Garnett
Better physical presence in the paint on defense: Garnett
Better leader: Garnett
Better Mid Range shot: Dirk
Better Long range shot: Dirk
Better Free Throw Shooter: Dirk
Better clutch shooter: Dirk
Better teammates: Dirk
Better General Manager: Dirk
Better Owner: Dirk
Better Coach: Dirk until 2008.

Garnett was better at every aspect of the game of basketball except for anything involving scoring and again, it's not like he couldn't score in a multitude of ways (post scoring, transition/fast break/mid-range jumper etc) to the tune of 20-24 PPG. In their Primes Garnett was simply a much better player.

[Odinn]

Better post player: Garnett
Better finisher: Garnett
Better passer: Garnett
Better handles: Garnett
Better screen setter: Garnett
Better athlete: Garnett
Better post defender: Garnett
Better perimeter defender: Garnett
Better pick and roll defender: Garnett
Better shot blocker: Garnett
Better offensive rebounder: Garnett
Better defensive rebounder: Garnett
Better rebounder in clutch situations: Garnett
Better defender in clutch situations: Garnett
Better physical presence in the paint on offense: Garnett
Better physical presence in the paint on defense: Garnett
Better leader: Garnett
Better Mid Range shot: Dirk
Better Long range shot: Dirk
Better Free Throw Shooter: Dirk
Better clutch shooter: Dirk
Better teammates: Dirk
Better General Manager: Dirk
Better Owner: Dirk
Better Coach: Dirk until 2008.

Garnett was better at every aspect of the game of basketball except for anything involving scoring and again, it's not like he couldn't score in a multitude of ways (post scoring, transition/fast break/mid-range jumper etc) to the tune of 20-24 PPG. In their Primes Garnett was simply a much better player.
It's like cherry-picking.

[RIP CITY]

It's like cherry-picking.

Clutch plays can happen on both ends of the court and making clutch baskets in not the only definition of clutch in my book, maybe it's not in yours but I find it very important. One of the most impressive things about Garnett to me, was how dominant he was on the defensive glass during close games in the 4th quarter. He would grab everything and limit second chance opportunities in important situations, some of the most deflating moments for a team are giving up an offensive rebound with 2 minutes left in a 2-6 point game. Making a key block shot when the opponent is trying to tie the game can be huge, stopping someone like Tim Duncan from scoring downlow with 2 minutes left in a close game is every bit as important as hitting a jumper on the other end. People overlook it because there is no stat for forcing a player to take a bad shot in a clutch situation but it's huge to the outcome of games.

I think that's part of the problem with comparing players on this board, people are far too focused on how much players score and clutch shots, which are obviously huge as well. But there is a whole other side of the ball where some players are so dominant that their impact on the court is every bit as important as a guy that can score 30 points in a game. To me, Garnett was more dominant defensively than Dirk ever was offensively and I put a huge emphasis on defense because fewer players can play defense at that level and the "cliche" "Defense wins Champions" holds alot of weight with me. Tons of guys in the NBA score not nearly as many can play consistently very good defense.

Garnett was a more impactful overall player than Dirk in my opinion, he was one of the best offensive players in the NBA and one of the Top 2-3 defensive players in the NBA during his prime. Dirk was a very good scorer (I wouldn't call him a dominant scorer because he didn't strike fear in defenses in the same way many other great scorers did) and he was a crappy defender most of his career. KG was just a better overall player, he was better at everything on the court besides shooting and scoring, and again, he could score very well too.

[bmulls]

Is this some sort of joke? Garnett is way better than Dirk. All Dirk can do is shoot fadeaway jumpers. The guy plays no defense, isn't a good rebounder, can't handle the ball, and is softer than frozen yogurt on a hot summer day in Phoenix while in the paint.

Garnett is a superior player in every way other than when it comes to shooting fadeaway jumpers.

Or leading teams to titles :lol

[mehyaM24]

....mavs are always loaded(with the exception of last yr)....dont kid yourself....dirk's teammates play incredible in the playoffs....dirk is a great player,but kg is a better impact player...no doubt about it..

2011 playoffs? jason terry came off the bench to outscore kobe in back to back games..

tyson chandler led the playoffs in total rebounds...kidd led the playoffs in total 3-pters made,stls and asts...chandler even led the posteason in offensive rating. ive seen "stars" play like shit in the playoffs,that means nothin.

[Mr Know It All]

Factoring in Regular Season and Playoffs:

2001: Kevin Garnett
2002: Kevin Garnett
2003: Dirk Nowitzki
2004: Kevin Garnett
2005: Dirk Nowitzki
2006: Dirk Nowitzki
2007: Dirk Nowitzki
2008: Kevin Garnett
2009: Dirk Nowitzki
2010: Dirk Nowitzki
2011: Dirk Nowitzki
2012: Kevin Garnett

7-5 Dirk for me as well. Now, just regular season:

2001: Kevin Garnett
2002: Kevin Garnett
2003: Kevin Garnett
2004: Kevin Garnett
2005: Kevin Garnett (Extremely close)
2006: Dirk Nowitzki
2007: Dirk Nowitzki
2008: Kevin Garnett
2009: Dirk Nowitzki
2010: Dirk Nowitzki
2011: Dirk Nowitzki
2012: Dirk Nowitzki

Tied 6-6.


Honestly one of the most frustrating and fun player debates out there though. Dirk is my favourite player but this one is so close and there really is no right answer when it comes to player vs. player. Both are so special in their own way, and both have had statistically dominant seasons (Garnett with his rebounding and all-around numbers in 2004, 2005, 2008, Dirk with his scoring and shooting splits in 2006, 2007, 2011).

It's a shame that neither of these guys played with true all-NBA talent for most of their careers, especially in their true prime.

[CJ Mustard]

:oldlol: You weren't watching basketball in 03 if you believe Dirk was even close to KG that year.

[Mr Know It All]

:oldlol: You weren't watching basketball in 03 if you believe Dirk was even close to KG that year.

See my last post moron, I had two lists. One for regular season one with playoffs factoring in. I watched the 2003 playoffs and Dirk had a fantastic showing, in many ways it was his arrival as a superstar in the league.

[therammingman]

If you can actually remember what each guy did in each of these years you need a life. This is just a troll thread either way.

:applause: :applause:

No way anyone actually remembers each guys performance each year.

[Mach_3]

Clutch plays can happen on both ends of the court and making clutch baskets in not the only definition of clutch in my book, maybe it's not in yours but I find it very important. One of the most impressive things about Garnett to me, was how dominant he was on the defensive glass during close games in the 4th quarter. He would grab everything and limit second chance opportunities in important situations, some of the most deflating moments for a team are giving up an offensive rebound with 2 minutes left in a 2-6 point game. Making a key block shot when the opponent is trying to tie the game can be huge, stopping someone like Tim Duncan from scoring downlow with 2 minutes left in a close game is every bit as important as hitting a jumper on the other end. People overlook it because there is no stat for forcing a player to take a bad shot in a clutch situation but it's huge to the outcome of games.

.

I still remember a game when Shawn Marion tried a floater over KG to win the game (and i mean he floated this ball high as hell) KG takes one step forward and just snatches the ball out of the air, one of the more ridiculous clutch blocks i've ever seen :bowdown:

[NUPE_1911]

Dirk is the overall better player, imo, and I have been saying this since like 2003. Don't care about measuring padded stats accumulated on bad teams.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Dirk is the overall better player, imo, and I have been saying this since like 2003. Don't care about measuring padded stats accumulated on bad teams or defence or intangibles or athleticism or passing or rebounding or versatility or longevity

Fixed

[noosaman]

Fixed

Ah so KG is more athletic because he's black, right?

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Ah so KG is more athletic because he's black, right?

No, because he's more athletic :facepalm

[Mach_3]

Ah so KG is more athletic because he's black, right?

:biggums:

[Pointguard]

Dirk is the overall better player, imo, and I have been saying this since like 2003.
Bath Salts???

[L.Kizzle]

Chris Webber

[Pointguard]

See my last post moron, I had two lists. One for regular season one with playoffs factoring in. I watched the 2003 playoffs and Dirk had a fantastic showing, in many ways it was his arrival as a superstar in the league.
You went from bad to worse. KG was all world in the playoffs that year. Not only did he score more than Dirk in a more efficient manner, he rebounded like crazy nobody on his team was within 10 rebounds of him, blocked more shot than ever, and it was his first standout year in the playoffs as a top level defender. I do think Dirk arrived as a superstar but KG had one of the best years ever by a PF. He lead his team in every major category and almost did the same in the playoffs.

[Mr Know It All]

You went from bad to worse. KG was all world in the playoffs that year. Not only did he score more than Dirk in a more efficient manner, he rebounded like crazy nobody on his team was within 10 rebounds of him, blocked more shot than ever, and it was his first standout year in the playoffs as a top level defender. I do think Dirk arrived as a superstar but KG had one of the best years ever by a PF. He lead his team in every major category and almost did the same in the playoffs.

He was also a first round exit. Dirk's individual numbers were more impressive in 2012 as well but KG clearly had the better playoff with a trip to the conference Finals was playing very well as the starting center. A 6 game sample is not near enough to challenge Dirk's run in 2003.

[chazzy]

Ah so KG is more athletic because he's black, right?
http://i.minus.com/ibz5Ugv7G9aTFs.gif

[NUPE_1911]

Bath Salts???

KG was great at accumulating stats and losing in the first round. Dirk almost always performed better in the playoffs and managed to win first rounds from time to time. Also, he did not flee to a super team because he could not carry a team.

The one time Dirk and KG met in the playoffs KG got totally demolished by Dirk and swept as well. Dirk outplayed KG in almost every way possible.

A Dirk led team also beat the same Heat team that beat KG's stacked Celt's in the playoffs two years ago. HAHAHA.

LMAO! Insidehoops showing its lack of bball knowledge once again. You slobs disgust me.

[noosaman]

No, because he's more athletic :facepalm

Except he isn't.

[WockaVodka]

Except he isn't.
Any sane person knows that KG is more athletic and it has nothing to do with race.

[noosaman]

Any sane person knows that KG is more athletic and it has nothing to do with race.

No he isn't.

[WockaVodka]

No he isn't.
How is Dirk more athletic? Is there single attribute when it comes to athleticism that Dirk is better than KG at? Cause I can't even think of one.

[noosaman]

How is Dirk more athletic? Is there single attribute when it comes to athleticism that Dirk is better than KG at? Cause I can't even think of one.

Running the floor, driving to the basket, taking his man off the dribble--he is far superior to Garnett at all of those. If you actually watched Dirk in his younger days you'd know they aren't far apart athletically.

[WockaVodka]

Running the floor, driving to the basket, taking his man off the dribble--he is far superior to Garnett at all of those. If you actually watched Dirk in his younger days you'd know they aren't far apart athletically.
KG was better at running the floor. Driving to the basket and taking your man off the dribble is actually a matter of ball-handling and not athleticism. Like I said, Dirk is actually inferior to Garnett at everything when it comes to athleticism.

[noosaman]

KG was better at running the floor. Driving to the basket and taking your man off the dribble is actually a matter of ball-handling and not athleticism. Like I said, Dirk is actually inferior to Garnett at everything when it comes to athleticism.

Sorry I do not agree. Dirk ran the floor far better than Garnett. I guess you forgot about Garnetts 'black angel' comment that prompted Dirk to wipe the floor with his ass every time they faced one another.

[Pointguard]

KG was great at accumulating stats and losing in the first round. Dirk almost always performed better in the playoffs and managed to win first rounds from time to time. Also, he did not flee to a super team because he could not carry a team.
You said overall player. Just say it was a mistake or continue to look incredibly foolish. Dirk is easily the most one dimensional player in the top 30 players.


The one time Dirk and KG met in the playoffs KG got totally demolished by Dirk and swept as well. Dirk outplayed KG in almost every way possible.
Riiiight, Dirk got more rebounds, played better defense, had more assist, killed him with a ton of blocks, rocked more steals, anchored the defense, lead his team in 5 categories!!! Dirk didn't guard good PF's at that time - heck, most of his career.



A Dirk led team also beat the same Heat team that beat KG's stacked Celt's in the playoffs two years ago. HAHAHA.

LMAO! Insidehoops showing its lack of bball knowledge once again. You slobs disgust me.
Dirk is not equal to Dallas, clown. If you think that Dirk was better than KG in '03 your head is a pigpin and clear knowledge depresses you. You should be disgusted with yourself.