Lebron or Pippen, who you got?

[BlueandGold]

which one do you have all time and which one is better?

Me i still have pippen.. 6 MVPs, GOAT sidekick of all time and could have easily had a few MVPs and titles if he would have had the chance to play alongside top5 players like Lebron had the chance to that would have been a compliment to his game instead of vice versa.

[StateOfMind12]

http://i52.tinypic.com/wt93ic.jpg

[SyRyanYang]

I missed the days when trolling were entertaining. I love scottie btw

[Horatio33]

Pippen is one of my top five players to watch ever but come on, really?

[28renyoy]

Pippen was the better defender, better passer, and better rebounder. Jordan was only better at scoring. So obviously Pippen is better...

Oh wait..I forgot that argument only worked when people tried to put down Durant

[raprap]

OP is a garbage poster.

[Faptastrophe]

How is this thread still open when THIS (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272842) one was closed instantly? :confusedshrug:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

How is this thread still open when THIS (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272842) one was closed instantly? :confusedshrug:
Lmao.

Op is a moron if he is being serious.

[arifgokcen]

Is this even a question?
Wow

[Human Error]

Pippen was the better defender, better passer, and better rebounder. Jordan was only better at scoring. So obviously Pippen is better...

Oh wait..I forgot that argument only worked when people tried to put down Durant
:facepalm

[SyRyanYang]

How is this thread still open when THIS (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272842) one was closed instantly? :confusedshrug:
Now I see, Op is trying to make a fool of stateofmind2012, too bad that thread was closed.

[midatlantic09]

I barely consider Pippen to be a top 50 player so that should tell you my answer.

[pauk]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/puking/grand/puke_gif.gif

[pauk]

Pippen was the better defender, better passer, and better rebounder. Jordan was only better at scoring. So obviously Pippen is better...

Oh wait..I forgot that argument only worked when people tried to put down Durant

The margin in scoring ability between him and MJ is ridicilous and Pippen was NOT a better passer than Jordan... and NOT a better defender, only more versatile...

What do you mean with people putting down Durant? Compared to who? Lebron? Haha... the only thing Durant does better than Lebron is something 50% or more of the players in the NBA does.... and that is freethrow/3pt accuracy....

Comparing Lebron to Durant is more closer to like comparing Jordan to a 6'11 Reggie Miller or hell even Pippen/prime Grant Hill vs Reggie... understand? I absolutely love Durant for what he is and what he does, i adore shooters like that, but he aint exactly at Lebrons overall level...

[Cherry Picker]

How's Pippen gonna stop a 6'9 275 pound freak of nature /wwestylehyperbole

[BlueandGold]

How's Pippen gonna stop a 6'9 275 pound freak of nature /wwestylehyperbole
Because Scottie is fairly identical at 6'8 240 and one of the most versatile players and defenders of all time. He's got 6 championships to Lebron's 1. Pippen was also on the 1992 Dream Team with undoubtedly the greatest players of all time and he made the cut over players like Shaq, Dominique, and Isiah.

pippen also lead the Bulls to a 55-27 record and the 2nd round of the playoffs the season after Jordan retired for the first time. And of course Pippen is 6-0 in the playoffs along with Michael with Lebron is 1-2 with having totally choked away the first two finals of his career (definitely in 2011 and played nowhere near his self in 2007 while also getting swept by SA)

[Dragonyeuw]

Pippen was also on the 1992 Dream Team with undoubtedly the greatest players of all time and he made the cut over players like Shaq, Dominique, and Isiah.



-Pippen making the team had nothing to do with Shaq not making it. Two different positions.....the fact is team USA already had Ewing and Robinson at center, and they decided to go with Laettner for the 'college player spot', being the most decorated college player at that moment and coming from a team that had won back to back national titles.

-Dominique suffered an Achilles tendon injury in 1991-92 and was out for the entire season if memory serves. He would not have been available for the dream team, and if he was I suspect he'd have made it over Pip, or over Mullin. By all accounts Bird shouldn't have been on that team at that stage in his career. There just was no way a 'dream team' was going to be made of 80s/90s stars and not have Magic and Bird on there, even if there were other more 'deserving' players at THAT moment. By all accounts Isiah should have been on there, but it's well-documented that he wasn't wanted on the team, notably Jordan who refused to play if Isiah made it. That was back-stage politics there.

[Xiao Yao You]

Lebron

[BlueandGold]

-Pippen making the team had nothing to do with Shaq not making it. Two different positions.....the fact is team USA already had Ewing and Robinson at center, and they decided to go with Laettner for the 'college player spot', being the most decorated college player at that moment and coming from a team that had won back to back national titles.

-Dominique suffered an Achilles tendon injury in 1991-92 and was out for the entire season if memory serves. He would not have been available for the dream team, and if he was I suspect he'd have made it over Pip, or over Mullin. By all accounts Bird shouldn't have been on that team at that stage in his career. There just was no way a 'dream team' was going to be made of 80s/90s stars and not have Magic and Bird on there, even if there were other more 'deserving' players at THAT moment. By all accounts Isiah should have been on there, but it's well-documented that he wasn't wanted on the team, notably Jordan who refused to play if Isiah made it. That was back-stage politics there.

Yes I understand the outside mitigating factors (politics, injuries, starpower, etc) that are associated with picking a team of the best USA basketball players at that time. However, those issues aside Pippen still made the team over his top competitors of that day, which means that Pippen was the best SF of the entire 90s. Outside of Dominique and Grant Hill nobody else even has an argument.

So with that said with Pippen being the best SF of the 90s as well as by far the best SF and most versatile defender of all time and also with Lebron being the best SF of the mid 00s and on i think there's a legitimate case over one or the other.

Currently Pippen is in my top20 just like Lebron is. That's obviously subject to change since Lebron still has nearly half of his career to look forward to but being a 6-time champion isn't something that you just gloss over. Pippen played spectacular in the 91 finals and arguably could have won MVP over the GOAT player of all time in Jordan with his incredible defense on Magic that put him in check.

Pippen averaged 20/9.5/6.6/2.5/1 for the 1991 Finals. The very next year he would go on to average 20/8/8/1.5/1 for the 1992 Finals. The next year after that he averaged 20/9/8/2.5/1. Sound like someone familiar? Keep in mind that he was playing with the greatest scorer in the history of the game as well as the greatest outright player. He just simply did whatever the team needed of him on that particular night. Pippen was the first who revolutionized the term "point forward" since both his wing play and his floor vision/playing ability was equal to nowhere at that position.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lebron by far. He passed Pippen before he won a championship

[BlueandGold]

Oh yea on top of making it on the 92 team over guys like dominique, shaq, etc and also being the best SF of the 2000s and averaging 20/8/8 numbers in the finals consistently Pippen was also invited back to the 96 "2nd dream team" because ppl were so impressed by his level of player. And this is comparing him to guys like MJ, Magic, Drexler, other wing player.s


Lebron by far. He passed Pippen before he won a championship

Eh typical Lebron fan, typical one sentence answer with no elaboration.

Also while Pippen like i stated earlier averaged 20/9.5/6.6/2.5stls/1blcks, 20/8/8/1.5/1, 20/9/8/2.5/1. for his first three finals while playing spectacular wing and perimeter defense Lebron averaged 17/7/7 for the 2011 finals when his team needed him the most and they essentially threw away two games solely because of his play (or lack thereof).

[RaininTwos]

No elaboration is needed.

[DatAsh]

Pippen was the better defender, better passer, and better rebounder. Jordan was only better at scoring. So obviously Pippen is better...

Oh wait..I forgot that argument only worked when people tried to put down Durant


Pippen wasn't really a better passer than Jordan. He averaged more assists because he was a second option who's role was to distribute the ball and set up Michael. If anything, Jordan was probably the better passer, though it was certainly close. Pippen was the more willing passer though.

Pippen vs Durant is a bit different though, Pippen was a much better defender, and much better passer than Durant, whereas with Jordan it was very close. I still think Durant at his best is still better than Pippen though. I'm just pointing out the flaw in your logic.

[Maestro33]

How's Pippen gonna stop a 6'9 275 pound freak of nature /

I guess you weren't around to see Pip guard people like Zo, Anthony Mason, Dominque....

LeBron is absolutely a beast but he isn't the first physical specimen the league has seen. And he hasn't played against a defender like Scottie.

That said, I have Pips number tattooed to my arm but I will concede that LeBron edges him if you're looking at number one option. Although...what did Bron win without a prolific 2 guard?

Its a tougher race than I thought when I started typing...

[SilkkTheShocker]

Oh yea on top of making it on the 92 team over guys like dominique, shaq, etc and also being the best SF of the 2000s and averaging 20/8/8 numbers in the finals consistently Pippen was also invited back to the 96 "2nd dream team" because ppl were so impressed by his level of player. And this is comparing him to guys like MJ, Magic, Drexler, other wing player.s



Eh typical Lebron fan, typical one sentence answer with no elaboration.

Also while Pippen like i stated earlier averaged 20/9.5/6.6/2.5stls/1blcks, 20/8/8/1.5/1, 20/9/8/2.5/1. for his first three finals while playing spectacular wing and perimeter defense Lebron averaged 17/7/7 for the 2011 finals when his team needed him the most and they essentially threw away two games solely because of his play (or lack thereof).


3x MVPs
1 Finals MVPs
Career lead-dog

Pippen doens't have any of that. And the closest he finished to MVP was like 4th. Pippen as the lead-dog lost led the Bulls to a 2nd round exit againt New York and huge collapse against the Blazers. Sorry, But Lebron's career takes a steaming shit on Scottie's career.

[BrickingStar]

I guess you weren't around to see Pip guard people like Zo, Anthony Mason, Dominque....

LeBron is absolutely a beast but he isn't the first physical specimen the league has seen. And he hasn't played against a defender like Scottie.

That said, I have Pips number tattooed to my arm but I will concede that LeBron edges him if you're looking at number one option. Although...what did Bron win without a prolific 2 guard?

Its a tougher race than I thought when I started typing...

And what did pippen do without MJ? No it's not really close at least tru to hide your hate OP because clearly you didn't see pippen back in the day. Go watch both of their seasons as the number 1 option.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I guess you weren't around to see Pip guard people like Zo, Anthony Mason, Dominque....

LeBron is absolutely a beast but he isn't the first physical specimen the league has seen. And he hasn't played against a defender like Scottie.

That said, I have Pips number tattooed to my arm but I will concede that LeBron edges him if you're looking at number one option. Although...what did Bron win without a prolific 2 guard?

Its a tougher race than I thought when I started typing...


Lebron won a title with a prolific 2 guard who wasn't healthy the whole playoffs. And he went to the Finals and won two MVPs with the likes of Delonte West and Anthony Parker starting at SG. What did Pippen ever do without playing with Jordan? Thats right, nothing. No MVPs, rings, or anything.

[ripthekik]

Lebron won a title with a prolific 2 guard who wasn't healthy the whole playoffs. And he went to the Finals and won two MVPs with the likes of Delonte West and Anthony Parker starting at SG. What did Pippen ever do without playing with Jordan? Thats right, nothing. No MVPs, rings, or anything.
17/25 40points 10 rebounds:roll:

Lebron top dawg.. yea right. 1st time he was top dawg he got swept. 2nd time he asked help and stood behind Daddy Wade top3 nba and Bosh and still lost. 3rd time with their help he finally won. VERY impressive. :applause:

[WockaVodka]

Lebron has been better than Pippen since 2009. Anyone who is picking Pippen in this thread just has an axe to grind.

[Boomerang]

King Bron

[kenny817]

which one do you have all time and which one is better?

Me i still have pippen.. 6 MVPs, GOAT sidekick of all time and could have easily had a few MVPs and titles if he would have had the chance to play alongside top5 players like Lebron had the chance to that would have been a compliment to his game instead of vice versa.

lol wut

[KingBeasley08]

lol wut
:roll: :roll: :roll:

OP is a dumbass :lol :lol

[DaSeba5]

http://www.lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg

[Smoke117]

-Pippen making the team had nothing to do with Shaq not making it. Two different positions.....the fact is team USA already had Ewing and Robinson at center, and they decided to go with Laettner for the 'college player spot', being the most decorated college player at that moment and coming from a team that had won back to back national titles.

-Dominique suffered an Achilles tendon injury in 1991-92 and was out for the entire season if memory serves. He would not have been available for the dream team, and if he was I suspect he'd have made it over Pip, or over Mullin. By all accounts Bird shouldn't have been on that team at that stage in his career. There just was no way a 'dream team' was going to be made of 80s/90s stars and not have Magic and Bird on there, even if there were other more 'deserving' players at THAT moment. By all accounts Isiah should have been on there, but it's well-documented that he wasn't wanted on the team, notably Jordan who refused to play if Isiah made it. That was back-stage politics there.

Wrong. Pippen was one of the first five picks for the Dream Team which means he was picked originally in 1990 when they were selecting the players. (He was picked before Ewing. Robinson was part of the original five) Besides as those quotes have said like Chuck Daly said: Give me Jordan, Pippen, and Charles and it doesn't matter who else we have. Or like Jordan said when he came back and was telling Phil, that Pippen opened a lot of eyes and that Scottie was the best guard there (besides himself obviously), better than Magic, Clyde (that I knew and have been adamantly saying forever that the two best players in the 92 finals were Jordan and Pippen and the whole build up of Jordan vs Drexler was a joke as Drexler was not ever better than Pippen), Stockton, Mullin and everyone. It's common knowledge that Chuck Daly considered Pippen the 2nd best player on the Dream team. The 96 team voted Pippen the best player on the team and he was the captain of that team.

[TheMan]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/puking/grand/puke_gif.gif
Come on now, Pauk, I know you are LeBron's biggest fanboy here and obviously LBJ is the better player but don't act like Pip is garbage.:facepalm

Your gif reeks of insecurity...

[Smoke117]

Just going by skill set Lebron really isn't much better than Pippen if at all. Scottie was never in an ideal situation set up for him as a scorer. Scottie as a scorer is a lot like Julius Erving or Clyde Drexler mixed with a bit of Jordan as he rubbed off of him playing with him. But Julius was his hero and he played most like him, and then he had his own style using that incredible mix of length and athleticism that allowed him to get to one end of the floor faster then just about anyone before injuries and age started catching up. Those huge strides, ball handling skills, long arms, passing ability, the fact that he could take off just inside the ft line in game, and finishing ability allowed him to only have to take a few dribbles before he was taking off if his man didn't commit to him.

The Problem? The Bulls ran a very slow methodical offense...the triangle offense. The Triangle offense is not an offense conducive for an up tempo player or a player who was a natural 6'7" pg as the triangle offense really has no real pg. If you replace Pippen on those Portland teams Drexler was on he'd be scoring 25ppg or so because he'd be the one running all the time and being able to finish and he'd actually averge more assist than Drexler because he was naturally more of a facilitator and PG. In the 2003 season with the Blazers he actually STARTED AT PG. He wasn't playing point forward, but was playing PG like Magic Johnson would. He was starting alongside Dale Davis, Sheed, Bonzi Wells, and Derek Anderson.

I think this actually poses an counter argument for one thing. People say that Pippen had no half court game yet the way the Bulls won in 1994 was to even slower than already were when they were complete with Jordan because they had to concentrate on defense. THEY WERE A HALF COURT TEAM with Pippen as their first option and shot he .491%/.544ts%. If not for the fact that he shot .660% from the ft line his ts% would have been over .550ts% which is pretty good, but it was a bad season for him from the ft line, though ironically he shot a scorching .885%ft through 10 games in the playoffs, so I think it was always a mental thing for him. If he shot maybe .750% from the ft line that season he'd had easily been above .550ts%, but either way .544ts% isn't bad, it's certainly above average to decent. It certainly has to take away the theory that he's a bad half court player. The next season their pace jumped from 91.9 to 92.0 and his ts% jumped from .544% to .559, so that also kind of debunks that theory, so does the fact that he had a very nice post game, bank shot, etc.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Just going by skill set Lebron really isn't much better than Pippen if at all. Scottie was never in an ideal situation set up for him as a scorer. Scottie as a scorer is a lot like Julius Erving or Clyde Drexler mixed with a bit of Jordan as he rubbed off of him playing with him. But Julius was his hero and he played most like him, and then he had his own style using that incredible mix of length and athleticism that allowed him to get to one end of the floor faster then just about anyone before injuries and age started catching up. Those huge strides, ball handling skills, long arms, passing ability, the fact that he could take off just inside the ft line in game, and finishing ability allowed him to only have to take a few dribbles before he was taking off if his man didn't commit to him.

The Problem? The Bulls ran a very slow methodical offense...the triangle offense. The Triangle offense is not an offense conducive for an up tempo player or a player who was a natural 6'7" pg as the triangle offense really has no real pg. If you replace Pippen on those Portland teams Drexler was on he'd be scoring 25ppg or so because he'd be the one running all the time and being able to finish and he'd actually averge more assist than Drexler because he was naturally more of a facilitator and PG. In the 2003 season with the Blazers he actually STARTED AT PG. He wasn't playing point forward, but was playing PG like Magic Johnson would. He was starting alongside Dale Davis, Sheed, Bonzi Wells, and Derek Anderson.

I think this actually poses an counter argument for one thing. People say that Pippen had no half court game yet the way the Bulls won in 1994 was to even slower than already were when they were complete with Jordan because they had to concentrate on defense. THEY WERE A HALF COURT TEAM with Pippen as their first option and shot he .491%/.544ts%. If not for the fact that he shot .660% from the ft line his ts% would have been over .550ts% which is pretty good, but it was a bad season for him from the ft line, though ironically he shot a scorching .885%ft through 10 games in the playoffs, so I think it was always a mental thing for him. If he shot maybe .750% from the ft line that season he'd had easily been above .550ts%, but either way .544ts% isn't bad, it's certainly above average to decent. It certainly has to take away the theory that he's a bad half court player. The next season their pace jumped from 91.9 to 92.0 and his ts% jumped from .544% to .559, so that also kind of debunks that theory, so does the fact that he had a very nice post game, bank shot, etc.
Lebron>>>>Pippen

[Linspired]

without jordan pippen ain't even top 50 all time.

[Maestro33]

Im jealous that your drivers license says 1990 something....ah youth..

[Maestro33]

And what did pippen do without MJ? No it's not really close at least tru to hide your hate OP because clearly you didn't see pippen back in the day. Go watch both of their seasons as the number 1 option.


Are u suggesting I didnt watch Pip? Not sure what u meant here.

[Boomerang]

Lebron>>>>Pippen
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Maestro33]

Lebron won a title with a prolific 2 guard who wasn't healthy the whole playoffs. And he went to the Finals and won two MVPs with the likes of Delonte West and Anthony Parker starting at SG. What did Pippen ever do without playing with Jordan? Thats right, nothing. No MVPs, rings, or anything.

Pete Myers, Larry Krystkowiak, Bj Armstrong, Greg Foster, JoJo English, Corie Blount......Pip lead his team in every stat category and would have had a crack at a championship save for Hue Hollins in 93-94. You're also talking about a league so strong that any Conference Finals participant would have beat Miami this year.

PS Ive seen more prime Pip than anyone and I still cant decide...but dont sell him short when you plainly havent seen him play

[colts19]

Lebron won a title with a prolific 2 guard who wasn't healthy the whole playoffs. And he went to the Finals and won two MVPs with the likes of Delonte West and Anthony Parker starting at SG. What did Pippen ever do without playing with Jordan? Thats right, nothing. No MVPs, rings, or anything.

What did Jordan ever do without playing with Pippen. Thats right, nothing. No MVPs, rings, or anything.

[BlueandGold]

lol wut
Yea that's obviously a typo, meant 6 championships, nothing to gloss over obviously.

Anyways still :facepalm at Lebron homers still not elaborating.

Again this is my argument:

Yes I understand the outside mitigating factors (politics, injuries, starpower, etc) that are associated with picking a team of the best USA basketball players at that time. However, those issues aside Pippen still made the team over his top competitors of that day, which means that Pippen was the best SF of the entire 90s. Outside of Dominique and Grant Hill nobody else even has an argument.

So with that said with Pippen being the best SF of the 90s as well as by far the best SF and most versatile defender of all time and also with Lebron being the best SF of the mid 00s and on i think there's a legitimate case over one or the other.

Currently Pippen is in my top20 just like Lebron is. That's obviously subject to change since Lebron still has nearly half of his career to look forward to but being a 6-time champion isn't something that you just gloss over. Pippen played spectacular in the 91 finals and arguably could have won MVP over the GOAT player of all time in Jordan with his incredible defense on Magic that put him in check.

Pippen averaged 20/9.5/6.6/2.5/1 for the 1991 Finals. The very next year he would go on to average 20/8/8/1.5/1 for the 1992 Finals. The next year after that he averaged 20/9/8/2.5/1. Sound like someone familiar? Keep in mind that he was playing with the greatest scorer in the history of the game as well as the greatest outright player. He just simply did whatever the team needed of him on that particular night. Pippen was the first who revolutionized the term "point forward" since both his wing play and his floor vision/playing ability was equal to nowhere at that position.

[BlueandGold]

^ lol typical Lebron-stans to not even attempt to make an argument against a legitimate point against their hero.

Basically what posters like Lebron23 do is call out the OP, divert attention away from basketball and never elaborate on their position except a few sentences explaining that either 1. you mad, or 2. Lebron is better.

[Lebron23]

Op is a *****.

[Nevaeh]

lol wut

OP f@cked up right out of the gate. Youtube's a mouse click away guys. Get it together.
:oldlol:

[KingBeasley08]

Yea that's obviously a typo, meant 6 championships, nothing to gloss over obviously.

Anyways still :facepalm at Lebron homers still not elaborating.

Again this is my argument:

Yes I understand the outside mitigating factors (politics, injuries, starpower, etc) that are associated with picking a team of the best USA basketball players at that time. However, those issues aside Pippen still made the team over his top competitors of that day, which means that Pippen was the best SF of the entire 90s. Outside of Dominique and Grant Hill nobody else even has an argument.

So with that said with Pippen being the best SF of the 90s as well as by far the best SF and most versatile defender of all time and also with Lebron being the best SF of the mid 00s and on i think there's a legitimate case over one or the other.

Currently Pippen is in my top20 just like Lebron is. That's obviously subject to change since Lebron still has nearly half of his career to look forward to but being a 6-time champion isn't something that you just gloss over. Pippen played spectacular in the 91 finals and arguably could have won MVP over the GOAT player of all time in Jordan with his incredible defense on Magic that put him in check.

Pippen averaged 20/9.5/6.6/2.5/1 for the 1991 Finals. The very next year he would go on to average 20/8/8/1.5/1 for the 1992 Finals. The next year after that he averaged 20/9/8/2.5/1. Sound like someone familiar? Keep in mind that he was playing with the greatest scorer in the history of the game as well as the greatest outright player. He just simply did whatever the team needed of him on that particular night. Pippen was the first who revolutionized the term "point forward" since both his wing play and his floor vision/playing ability was equal to nowhere at that position.
20/9.5/6.6/2.5 is nice but 27/10/7 is better

next

[Human Error]

How can Pippen be better than LeBron when he does not even have a clear cut argument over Wade(in fact Wade >> Pippen)? People can be stupid at times.

[Freedom Kid7]

Pippen's only upside against LeBron is Pippen's defense was pretty superior against Bron's current defense. If Lebron gets a DPOY and Lebron fans argue that his defense is better then Pippen's, I'm going to :facepalm .

However, Bron>Pippen easily. Bron's offensive game is better, passing ability is better, etc. etc.

[97 bulls]

I can see why people feel James should be ranked higher than Pippen. But better? Lets be honest. Their skill sets arent that much different. James is a more agressiive offensive player. But Pippen defense trumps James defense.

I still just cant fathom why people cant takee into consideration players situations and roles on their teams when comparing players. I just dont see any player being able to do what Pippen did as far as his defense, rebounding, running the offense, and still dropping 20 ppg efficiently.


I also dont understand this notion that James is a better passer than Pippen. What constitutes this? Pippen avg 6-7 assists in a slow tempo offense where he wasnt able to dominate the ball. You cant say that about James. Miami tries to run whenever they have the opportunity. He didnt have to share the ball in Cleveland. And never has he been asked to do nearly as much as Pippen on the defensive side of the ball.

Pippen never reached the status of James and I dont dont know if he ever could. But his impact on games were just as big.

All in all the two are closer than some people would care to admit. Just think. Replace Jame with Pippen last year and the Heat beat dallas handily.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

This joke thread is just here to mock stateofmind.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272842

[97 bulls]

Id also like to add that when im talking about defense, im not talking about concentrating on one man for a few possesions. Im talkin full court press, trap, man, roaming, then help in the post for 48 minutes.

[97 bulls]

How can Pippen be better than LeBron when he does not even have a clear cut argument over Wade(in fact Wade >> Pippen)? People can be stupid at times.
This is a lie.

[1987_Lakers]

Anyone who says Pippen should be shot in the face.

LeBron is on the level of Bird, Hakeem, Kobe etc. Pippen not so much.

[che guevara]

I can see why people feel James should be ranked higher than Pippen. But better? Lets be honest. Their skill sets arent that much different. James is a more agressiive offensive player. But Pippen defense trumps James defense.

I still just cant fathom why people cant takee into consideration players situations and roles on their teams when comparing players. I just dont see any player being able to do what Pippen did as far as his defense, rebounding, running the offense, and still dropping 20 ppg efficiently.


I also dont understand this notion that James is a better passer than Pippen. What constitutes this? Pippen avg 6-7 assists in a slow tempo offense where he wasnt able to dominate the ball. You cant say that about James. Miami tries to run whenever they have the opportunity. He didnt have to share the ball in Cleveland. And never has he been asked to do nearly as much as Pippen on the defensive side of the ball.

Pippen never reached the status of James and I dont dont know if he ever could. But his impact on games were just as big.

All in all the two are closer than some people would care to admit. Just think. Replace Jame with Pippen last year and the Heat beat dallas handily.
So much wrong in this post I don't know where to begin. The last part was the funniest, considering how much dick Pippen could suck in his Finals appearances (he was worse in his last 3 Finals than Lebron was in '11, just far less was expected of him) and how they would have no chance whatsoever against Boston and Chicago. Think Pippen is averaging 27 ppg and nailing clutch shot after clutch shot to close out those games/series like Lebron did? No chance.

[Blackghozt]

Honestly its hard to judge question like because of the way basketball has change. Could Lebron be able to handle the hard fouls from pippens era. Back then if you came in the hole you hit the floor. Both players had similar play styles. Pippen better on Defense. lebron got Offense.

[WockaVodka]

Anyone who says Pippen should be shot in the face.
:oldlol:

[funnystuff]

Why compare a leader to a sidekick?

[PickernRoller]

Pippen then get a Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk, Duncan or Hakeem and pair them up. Recipe for success.

You choose Lebron and you know you need 2 other superstars to win a ring plus the stacked bench and role players to go with it. Did I forget a weak conference and a shortened season too? And that folks is the truth...

[funnystuff]

Pippen then get a Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk, Duncan or Hakeem and pair them up. Recipe for success.

You choose Lebron and you know you need 2 other superstars to win a ring plus the stacked bench and role players to go with it. Did I forget a weak conference and a shortened season too? And that folks is the truth...
Love how everyone said OKCs bench had much more depth going into these finals and Miami had garbage role players. Now you read this sh*t. And from a Lakers fan at that.

[PickernRoller]

Love how everyone said OKCs bench had much more depth going into these finals and Miami had garbage role players. Now you read this sh*t. And from a Lakers fan at that.

Who said that? What was said was that OKC was the "better team" going in. The most stacked team in the NBA since 10' has been the Heat period. As a matter of fact Miami's role players were the deciding factor of the series with their performances all series long.

Diversions from the truth are always a treat nonetheless.

[lilgodfather1]

How is it that people that make threads like this don't get banned. I mean really this is not a basketball discussion what so ever. This is a retard that should have been born in some third world country where he wouldn't be allowed to form such a stupid opinion.

[PickernRoller]

How is it that people that make threads like this don't get banned. I mean really this is not a basketball discussion what so ever. This is a retard that should have been born in some third world country where he wouldn't be allowed to form such a stupid opinion.

You must be talking from experience then I suppose. No reason to be mad thou...we know Pippen is the clear choice.

[swi7ch]

One is a sidekick, the other is not.

[funnystuff]

Who said that? What was said was that OKC was the "better team" going in. The most stacked team in the NBA since 10' has been the Heat period. As a matter of fact Miami's role players were the deciding factor of the series with their performances all series long.

Diversions from the truth are always a treat nonetheless.
Who said that? Every forum poster, expert, fan of the NBA. Heat pulled an upset considering how many people thought OKC was going to take it.

[PickernRoller]

Who said that? Every forum poster, expert, fan of the NBA. Heat pulled an upset considering how many people thought OKC was going to take it.

Being the "better team" a concept you have yet to grasp. That is no surprise to me whatsoever. Anyway done here, too easy.

[funnystuff]

Being the "better team" a concept you have yet to grasp. That is no surprise to me whatsoever. Anyway done here, too easy.
Nope, EVERYBODY said OKC was the deeper team. No way you deny that.

[PickernRoller]

Nope, EVERYBODY said OKC was the deeper team. No way you deny that.

I already denied that....thanks for also exposing you're an alternate too.

[highwhey]

Kevin Love

[funnystuff]

I already denied that....thanks for also exposing you're an alternate too.
Not an alternate but nice try.

Oh, well you must have the IQ of a squirrel denying that.

[RRR3]

Not an alternate but nice try.

Oh, well you must have the IQ of a squirrel denying that.
Don't give him so much credit

[PickernRoller]

Don't give him so much credit
:roll: :roll: :roll: got something to say? I'll take you to school the same way I did to that alternate. Lets forget the rage from last time although I am pretty sure the butthurt still warm.

[funnystuff]

Don't give him so much credit
:lol

[Lebron23]

Not an alternate but nice try.

Oh, well you must have the IQ of a squirrel denying that.


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Pippen is a top 30 player time. If Pippen is better than LeBron. You also need to rank Pippen ahead of Kobe. LeBron will have the same numbers of Finals MVP as Kobe next year. Scottie failed to win an NBA Finals MVP and Regular Season MVP during his prime. He was not even the best player of his team during their championship run. LeBron already won 3 MVP and 1 Finals MVP.

[riseagainst]

Pippen is a top 30 player time. If Pippen is better than LeBron. You also need to rank Pippen ahead of Kobe. LeBron will have the same numbers of Finals MVP as Kobe next year. Scottie failed to win an NBA Finals MVP and Regular Season MVP during his prime. He was not even the best player of his team during their championship run. LeBron already won 3 MVP and 1 Finals MVP.

:lol

[aceman]

...considering how much dick Pippen could suck in his Finals appearances (he was worse in his last 3 Finals than Lebron was in '11...).

you're basing this on what, scoring average??

[KOBE143]

Lebron but Pippen was the better sidekick..

[LakersReign]

Pippen is a top 30 player time. If Pippen is better than LeBron. You also need to rank Pippen ahead of Kobe. LeBron will have the same numbers of Finals MVP as Kobe next year. Scottie failed to win an NBA Finals MVP and Regular Season MVP during his prime. He was not even the best player of his team during their championship run. LeBron already won 3 MVP and 1 Finals MVP.

The bold above is the #1 reason why NOBODY ON ISH takes this moron seriously:facepalm

[Lebron23]

The bold above is the #1 reason why NOBODY ON ISH takes this moron seriously:facepalm


Take a look at yourself in the mirror. You are probably one of those few annoying posters who still thinks that Pippen was better than LeBron.

Kobe is a top 9 player of all time while LeBron is top 12. I think it's actually a good comparison.

Pippen was a great 2nd scoring option on a contending team while LeBron has already won an NBA Finals MVP as the numero uno option of his team.

I was a huge fan of Pippen when I was kid, but no chance in hell that he was a top 15 player of all time. LeBron is already the 2nd greatest Small Forward in NBA History.

[Lebron23]

lebron23's unintentional comedy continues:lol


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[LakersReign]

(yawn):rolleyes: