Dirk or Kobe, who you got?

[StateOfMind12]

which one do you have all time and which one is better?

Me i have Dirk.. 1 MVPs, GOAT 7 foot shooter of all time and could have easily had a few MVPs and titles if he would have had the chance to play alongside stacked front-courts like Kobe had the chance to that would have been a compliment to his game instead of vice versa.

[ripthekik]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272842

go back to your legos

[Heavincent]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272842

go back to your legos

:roll:

RG :facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

Dirk. No way in hell could Kobe make it to the Finals without a dominant offensive big. And Dirk had one of the greatest Finals runs of all time. Kobe really has no all-time great Finals moments. All I can think of is Shaq dominating or Derek Fisher hitting big shots.

[Remix]

Dirk. No way in hell could Kobe make it to the Finals without a dominant offensive big. And Dirk had one of the greatest Finals runs of all time. Kobe really has no all-time great Finals moments. All I can think of is Shaq dominating or Derek Fisher hitting big shots.
that's because you're too busy thinking about Lebrons cawk.

[DixieNourmous]

Jeff shoul allow Negs on reps.
Dirk is great! Kobe is far more accomplished though.

Anyone that picks Dirk over Kobe should get negged. This one is easy, even for Kobe haters.

[Boomerang]

I got Lebron.

[kenny817]

Kobe obviously

But I would take Dirk...just more of a matchup problem. Just as clutch (if not more)

Accomplishments OBVIOUSLY go to Kobe

I wish Dirk had teams as talented as Kobe tho...but ehh

Career wise give me Kobe tho

[dynasty1978]

that's because you're too busy thinking about Lebrons cawk.

:roll:

[dynasty1978]

This one is easy, even for Kobe haters.

It never is for them. You could pit Scalabrine against him and they would try to make an argument.

[kennethgriffin]

Dirk obviously. Kobes barely top 25 all time

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:biggums:

[Cali Syndicate]

:confusedshrug:

[Maniak]

Why did you remake the same thread if a mod already locked it?

[christian1923]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Is this a joke?

[knickswin]

I think Dirk is better. Dirk is a much smarter, more efficient player than Kobe. much better team player. more of a mismatch too. kobe obviously has more accomplishments, but kobe is overhyped.

[General]

I think Dirk is better. Dirk is a much smarter, more efficient player than Kobe. much better team player. more of a mismatch too. kobe obviously has more accomplishments, but kobe is overhyped.
Kobe haters still going strong after 17 years:roll:

[Heavincent]

Kobe haters still going strong after 17 years:roll:

I wouldn't say that. They're pretty much grasping at straws at this point. Have been for a while actually. The population has gone way down too. A lot of them just gave up when he won his 5th ring.

[IGOTGAME]

There is no argument for Dirk.

[LakersReign]

I think Dirk is better. Dirk is a much smarter, more efficient player than Kobe. much better team player. more of a mismatch too. kobe obviously has more accomplishments, but kobe is overhyped.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I just find it hilarious how Kobe is the only star player in the NBA who gets penalized for having bad teammates and losing in the playoffs and all that. While everybody else ALWAYS gets pass for doing the exact same thing.:lol

[G-Funk]

I think Dirk is better. Dirk is a much smarter, more efficient player than Kobe. much better team player. more of a mismatch too. kobe obviously has more accomplishments, but kobe is overhyped.

Melo fan...got it:roll:

[WindmiLL]

Kobe stans going all defensive :facepalm

I think knickswin was being sarcastic....

[ncrizzle]

Lets see Kobe do this and then he can be in the same breathe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmaYjI02STA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLtuoiY6LMM&feature=related

[knickswin]

Kobe stans going all defensive :facepalm

I think knickswin was being sarcastic....

no, I'd really rather have Dirk. dirk is a tremendous player and understands how to be part of a team. for all his skills, I don't think kobe ever really understood what winning basketball is. he has a serious hero complex.

melo more or less has the same problem kobe has which is too bad because as we see with him and team USA melo can be very effective in a less ball dominant, team-oriented role.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLtuoiY6LMM&feature=related
:oldlol:

[WockaVodka]

There is no argument for Dirk.
Dirk was a better post-season performer than Kobe was especially in elimination games.

The answer is Kobe if this thread is serious but I'm pretty sure this thread just a mockery of the Pippen/Lebron thread.

[kennethgriffin]

Dirk was a better post-season performer than Kobe was especially in elimination games.

The answer is Kobe if this thread is serious but I'm pretty sure this thread just a mockery of the Pippen/Lebron thread.

agreed


dirk > kobe


kobe is barely top 25


:cheers:




by the time he retires i think dirk will move up from top 10 all time to top 5 all time

just a few more all nba teams and another title will do it

[midatlantic09]

I'm not a Dirk fan.

[kennethgriffin]

anyone remember dirk with 65


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpWAyV-S7P0


REDIRKULOUS

:bowdown:

[kennethgriffin]

I'm not a Dirk fan.

you should be

the black dirkba

[Hank]

Dirk EASILY

[Legends66NBA7]

for all his skills, I don't think kobe ever really understood what winning basketball is.

You're going to have elobrate on that... outside of hero complex or whatever.

[Heavincent]

I don't think kobe ever really understood what winning basketball is.

His 5 rings disagree.

[Vertical-24]

Wait, so this topic isn't just my imagination?

[midatlantic09]

I think Dirk is better. Dirk is a much smarter, more efficient player than Kobe. much better team player. more of a mismatch too. kobe obviously has more accomplishments, but kobe is overhyped.

Dirk career PER-23.6
Kobe career PER-23.4

So Dirk and Kobe are virtually tied in terms of efficiency. In fact, if we take out Kobe's first 2 years in the league , he beats Dirk in terms of efficiency. Also, one should not ignore the fact that Dirk plays no defense and is pretty much just a jumpshooter.

Moreover, in terms of Dirk being smarter, I disagree. I'm pretty sure Kobe knows and understands the game better than Dirk. Kobe has had better coaching, more big game experience, has probably played basketball for a longer period of time, and as a guard he probably has a better understanding of how to control the tempo, get teammates involved, how to thwart another team's full court pressure, etc. As I said before, all Dirk does is shoot fadeaway jumpers.

[StateOfMind12]

Dirk career PER-23.6
Kobe career PER-23.4

So Dirk and Kobe are virtually tied in terms of efficiency. In fact, if we take out Kobe's first 2 years in the league, he blows Dirk out of the water in terms of efficiency.
By efficient, I'm pretty sure he was talking about shooting and scoring efficiency which would be FG%, TS%, eFG%, etc. and Dirk is way ahead of Kobe in that regard.

[bmulls]

Dirk career PER-23.6
Kobe career PER-23.4

So Dirk and Kobe are virtually tied in terms of efficiency. In fact, if we take out Kobe's first 2 years in the league, he beats Dirk in terms of efficiency.

Gtfo with PER. Post their FG% :lol

[Heavincent]

By efficient, I'm pretty sure he was talking about shooting and scoring efficiency which would be FG%, TS%, eFG%, etc. and Dirk is way ahead of Kobe in that regard.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272842

Such an attention whore :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Kobe Bryant

2 Finals MVP > 1 Finals MVP

[kennethgriffin]

Dirk EASILY

dirks the man

the german climbing the all time ladder pretty quick

:bowdown:

legendary... top 20 last year... top 10 this year

dirk with the biggest 1 year all time leap ever?

:djparty :rockon:

[midatlantic09]

Gtfo with PER. Post their FG% :lol

Dirk career FG%-47.5
Kobe career FG%-45.3

OMG!!! 2% difference!!!!....big deal.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kobe is better.

[Xiao Yao You]

Dirk

[White Mamba]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[knickswin]

Dirk has gotten his TS% to that 60% mark, which in my opinion is the most important mark of efficiency. Kobe is not horrible in terms of TS%, but he has never approached 60%.

2010-2011 Dirk Nowitzki was incredibly impressive. He had a 60%+ TS% and was doing that as one of his team's main creators (not just catch and shoot like he was earlier in his career).

[knickswin]

I don't really consider myself a Kobe hater because I acknowledge his skill and that he has a lot of accomplishments, but I think I would rather have Paul Pierce on my team than Kobe, all things considered.

[Heavincent]

I think I would rather have Paul Pierce on my team than Kobe, all things considered.

:roll:

[knickswin]

:roll:

it's not so ridiculous, really ....

Pierce has been a 60% TS% guy for a while. he's clearly an extremely capable scorer. he's been one of the leaders in small forwards in rebounds and assists his whole career. he is fantastic at creating for others off the dribble and he tends to take good shots ... plus he's a finals mvp and champion.

paul pierce is a great player. I think he understands the team game better than kobe. I'd rather have him. rather have dirk too for more or less the same reasons.

[Heavincent]

it's not so ridiculous, really ....

Pierce has been a 60% TS% guy for a while. he's clearly an extremely capable scorer. he's been one of the leaders in small forwards in rebounds and assists his whole career. he is fantastic at creating for others off the dribble and he tends to take good shots ... plus he's a finals mvp and champion.

paul pierce is a great player. I think he understands the team game better than kobe. I'd rather have him. rather have dirk too for more or less the same reasons.

:roll:

[Overdrive]

For the AT list Kobe no doubt. He came along way and accomplished about everything there is to accomplish.
Dirk accomplished his fair share of accolades himself, but he isn't close to Kobe and acting like his teams weren't about as talented as Kobe's is ignorant.
He had no Shaq and of course he might have won more rings with Shaq, but I think the Mavs should've atleast won in '06.

If I had to pick one as a 1st pick for my 1st year as a franchise I'd take Dirk though. His frame puts him over Kobe imo. Both were high risk prospects when the were drafted, but Kobe was drafted to the better situation. He could slowly become the piece the Lakers needed for winning.

Dirk was needed earlier on. Michael Finley was a great player on the late 90s early 2000s Mavs, but not great enough to be the leader of a championship caliber team. He took some time to develop aswell, but I think the Lakers could've compensated Kobe being a bust better than the Mavs Dirk being one, so more pressure on Dirk early on.

[Cone]

I know this is a troll thread but the Nash vs Dirk thread was much more ridiculous.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Kobe Bryant

2 Finals MVP > 1 Finals MVP
:oldlol: I can't believe it. LeBron23 must be stoned or something

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272842

[noosaman]

It's hard to ignore Kobe's 5 rings but you have to imagine what Dirk could have done if he had an elite swingman like Kobe had an elite center, to complement him. This guy made the Finals twice with Jason Terry as a 2nd option.

[brain drain]

It's hard to ignore Kobe's 5 rings but you have to imagine what Dirk could have done if he had an elite swingman like Kobe had an elite center, to complement him. This guy made the Finals twice with Jason Terry as a 2nd option.
Or if he had played with Shaq for 5 years. That would've been the deadliest inside/outside frontcourt combo ever.

[DKLaker]

It's hard to ignore Kobe's 5 rings but you have to imagine what Dirk could have done if he had an elite swingman like Kobe had an elite center, to complement him. This guy made the Finals twice with Jason Terry as a 2nd option.

LMAO....why not compare Dirk's PG's to Kobe's :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Compare Dirk's bench to Kobe's :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

STFU, anyone picking Dirk is a Fking MORON!!!!!

Dirk was clutch for 1 season in his life....I give him big credit for that season but Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dirk

[DKLaker]

I don't really consider myself a Kobe hater because I acknowledge his skill and that he has a lot of accomplishments, but I think I would rather have Paul Pierce on my team than Kobe, all things considered.

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[TheBigVeto]

which one do you have all time and which one is better?

Me i have Dirk.. 1 MVPs, GOAT 7 foot shooter of all time and could have easily had a few MVPs and titles if he would have had the chance to play alongside stacked front-courts like Kobe had the chance to that would have been a compliment to his game instead of vice versa.

You are correct.
If Dirk had Kobe's supporting cast, he'd won 10 rings already.

[Mr. Jabbar]

why is op allowed to post? or breath...

[creepingdeath]

I suppose this should settle the debate forever:

http://jambonewspotcom1.jambonewspot.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Dirk_wedding2.jpg

[Nero Tulip]

I wonder how many titles Dirk would've had with Shaq. Dirk had a bunch of shit teams but always made them competitive. Kobe had a great organisation but still managed to **** it all up sometimes.

[Story Up]

Oh my god, ish is officially the dumbest ball forum on the Internet.

[LBJDW305]

Kobe my nikka I hate it had to be him

[Bigsmoke]

yeah this is RG for sure

[blablabla]

i'd take dirk he's 100% german kobe is only like 20% german

[BabyBull]

it's not so ridiculous, really ....

Pierce has been a 60% TS% guy for a while. he's clearly an extremely capable scorer. he's been one of the leaders in small forwards in rebounds and assists his whole career. he is fantastic at creating for others off the dribble and he tends to take good shots ... plus he's a finals mvp and champion.

paul pierce is a great player. I think he understands the team game better than kobe. I'd rather have him. rather have dirk too for more or less the same reasons.
:oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I feel bad for the lurkers who think ISH is really debating Kobe vs Dirk.

[miles berg]

Kobe has always had great bigs, Shaq then Gasol now Bynum.

Dirk had a great big, Tyson Chandler, for one year and he tore through the playoffs beating every one of the favorites.

This discussion would be a lot different had Kobe spent all of his career with Shawn Bradley, Raef LaFrentz, Erick Dampier, DeSagana Diop, & Brendan Haywood as his bigs.

Dirk is a monster, he has just never had the supporting bigs.

[RRR3]

it's not so ridiculous, really ....

Pierce has been a 60% TS% guy for a while. he's clearly an extremely capable scorer. he's been one of the leaders in small forwards in rebounds and assists his whole career. he is fantastic at creating for others off the dribble and he tends to take good shots ... plus he's a finals mvp and champion.

paul pierce is a great player. I think he understands the team game better than kobe. I'd rather have him. rather have dirk too for more or less the same reasons.
If we're comparing their respective primes, I'm not sure Paul Pierce does a single thing better than Kobe. Kobe however is noticeably better than Pierce at multiple facets of the game. Kobe shits on Pierce get real

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe has always had great bigs, Shaq then Gasol now Bynum.

Dirk had a great big, Tyson Chandler, for one year and he tore through the playoffs beating every one of the favorites.

This discussion would be a lot different had Kobe spent all of his career with Shawn Bradley, Raef LaFrentz, Erick Dampier, DeSagana Diop, & Brendan Haywood as his bigs.

Dirk is a monster, he has just never had the supporting bigs.


Horrible argument, Dirk was a big, he shouldn't need another big to be dominate.

Kobe never needed a dominate wing player to get the job done.

Dirk played on numerous 50 win TEAMS, but often failed to make a deep playoff run, because of his lack of Defense.

[BabyBull]

Kobe has always had great bigs, Shaq then Gasol now Bynum.

Dirk had a great big, Tyson Chandler, for one year and he tore through the playoffs beating every one of the favorites.

This discussion would be a lot different had Kobe spent all of his career with Shawn Bradley, Raef LaFrentz, Erick Dampier, DeSagana Diop, & Brendan Haywood as his bigs.

Dirk is a monster, he has just never had the supporting bigs.
You're pretty stupid lol

... Dirk himself is a dominant big man. He has however had guards and forwards like Finley, Nash, Jamison, Walker, Juwan Howard, Tim Hardaway, Nick Van Exel,Josh Howard etc.

in short he has had help. Save me the tears.

[knickswin]

If we're comparing their respective primes, I'm not sure Paul Pierce does a single thing better than Kobe. Kobe however is noticeably better than Pierce at multiple facets of the game. Kobe shits on Pierce get real

see, I disagree

PP is a better shooter, particularly from three. he is a better rebounder. he is a better post-up player. he is better at finding others off the dribble.

and most importantly, he is less selfish and doesn't take as many stupid shots (as reflected in his far superior TS% numbers throughout his career).

[ihoopallday]

I'm going with Kobe and it's not even close.

[RRR3]

...

He has better shot selection for sure, doesn't mean he's necessarily a better shooter. For the sake of comparison, I'm not counting Kobe's first two years (for one Pierce wasn't in the NBA until Kobe's 3rd year and Kobe didn't play much his first two years, whereas Pierce started right away having gone to college, etc.)

Comparing shooting percentages from 1998-99 to 2011-12 (including playoffs):

1998-99:

Kobe: Regular season-46.5 FG% (15.6 FGA), 26.7 3P% (2.0 3PA), 83.9 FT% (5.8 FTA).
playoffs-43.0 FG%, 34.8 3P%, 80.0 FT%. 50.2 TS%, 45.8 eFG%

Pierce: regular season-43.9 FG% (13.8 FGA), 41.2 3P% (4.3 3PA), 71.3 FT% (4.1 FTA)


1999-2000

Kobe: regular season-46.8 FG% (17.9 FGA), 31.9 3P% (2.2 3PA), 82.1 FT% (6.1 FTA).
playoffs-44.2 FG%, 34.4 3P%, 75.4 FT%

Pierce: regular season-44.2 FG% (15.1 FGA), 34.3 3P% (3.8 3PA), 79.8 FT% (6.2 FTA)


2000-01

Kobe: regular season-46.4 FG% (22.2 FGA), 30.5 3P% (2.9 3PA), 85.3 FT% (8.2 FTA)
playoffs-46.9 FG%, 32.4 3P%, 82.1 FT%

Pierce: regular season-45.4 FG% (18.5 FGA), 38.3 3P% (4.7 3PA), 74.5 FT% (9.0 FTA)



2001-02

Kobe: regular season-46.9 FG% (20.0 FGA), 25.0 3P% (1.7 3PA), 82.9 FT% (7.4 FTA)
playoffs-43.4 FG%, 37.9 3P%, 75.9 FT%

Pierce: regular season-44.2 FG% (19.5 FGA), 40.4 3P% (6.3 3PA), 80.9 FT% (7.8 FTA)
playoffs-40.3 FG%, 28.8 3P%, 76.4 FT%


2002-03

Kobe: regular season-45.1 FG% (23.5 FGA), 38.3 3PT% (4.0 3PA), 84.3 FT% (8.7 FTA)
playoffs-43.2 FG%, 40.3 3P%, 82.7 FT%

Pierce: regular season-41.6 FG% (20.2 FGA), 30.2 3PT% (4.9 3PA), 80.2 FT% (9.5 FTA)
playoffs-39.9 FG%, 35.6 3P%, 86.3 FT%


2003-04

Kobe: regular season-43.8 FG% (18.1 FGA), 32.7 3P% (3.3 3PA), 85.2 FT% (8.2 FTA)
playoffs-41.3 FG%, 24.7 3P%, 81.3 FT%

Pierce: regular season-40.2 FG% (18.7 FGA), 29.9 3P% (4.8 3PA), 81.9 FT% (7.9 FTA)
playoffs-34.2 FG%, 29.4 3P%, 83.9 FT%


2004-05

Kobe: regular season-43.3 FG% (20.1 FGA), 33.9 3P% (5.9 3PA), 81.6 FT% (10.1 FTA)

Pierce: regular season-45.5 FG% (14.9 FGA), 37.0 3P% (3.6 3PA), 82.2 FT% (8.1 FTA)
playoffs-50.5 FG%, 25.9 3P%, 86.8 FT%


2005-06

Kobe: regular season-45.0 FG% (27.2 FGA), 34.7 3P% (6.5 3PA), 85.0 FT% (10.2 FTA)
playoffs-49.7 FG%, 40.0 3P%, 77.1 FT%

Pierce: regular season-47.1 FG% (18.5 FGA), 35.4 3P% (4.0 3PA), 77.2 FT% (10.3 FTA)


2006-07

Kobe: regular season-46.3 FG% (22.8 FGA), 34.4 3P% (5.2 3PA), 86.8 FT% (10.0 FTA)
playoffs-46.2 FG%, 35.7 3P%, 91.9 FT%

Pierce: regular season-43.9 FG% (18.1 FGA), 38.9 3P% (5.9 3PA), 79.6 FT% (8.6 FTA)


2007-08

Kobe: regular season-45.9 FG% (20.6 FGA), 36.1 3P% (5.1 3PA), 84.0 FT% (9.0 FTA)
playoffs-47.9 FG%, 30.2 3P%, 80.9 FT%

Pierce: regular season-46.4 FG% (13.7 FGA), 39.2 3P% (4.6 3PA), 84.3 FT% (6.1 FTA)
playoffs-44.1 FG%, 36.1 3P%, 80.2 FT%


2008-09

Kobe: regular season-46.7 FG% (20.9 FGA), 35.1 3P% (4.1 3PA), 85.6 FT% (6.9 FTA)
playoffs-45.7 FG%, 34.9 3P%, 88.3 FT%

Pierce: regular season-45.7 FG% (14.6 FGA), 39.1 3P% (3.8 3PA), 83.0 FT% (6.8 FTA)
playoffs-43.0 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 84.2 FT%


2009-10

Kobe: regular season-45.6 FG% (21.5 FGA), 32.9 3P% (4.1 3PA), 81.1 FT% (7.4 FTA)
playoffs-45.8 FG%, 37.4 3P%, 84.2 FT%

Pierce: regular season-47.2 FG% (12.2 FGA), 41.4 3P% (3.7 3PA), 85.2 FT% (6.1 FTA)
playoffs-43.8 FG%, 39.2 3P%, 82.4 FT%


2010-11

Kobe: regular season-45.1 FG% (20.0 FGA), 32.3 3P% (4.3 3PA), 82.8 FT% (7.1 FTA)
playoffs-44.6 FG%, 29.3 3P%, 82.0 FT%

Pierce: regular season-49.7 FG% (12.8 FGA), 37.4 3P% (3.7 3PA), 86.0 FT% (5.6 FTA)
playoffs-45.9 FG%, 44.7 3P%, 88.2 FT%


2011-12

Kobe: regular season-43.0 FG% (23.0 FGA), 30.3 3P% (4.9 3PA), 84.5 FT% (7.8 FTA)
playoffs-43.9 FG%, 28.3 3P%, 83.2 FT%

Pierce: regular season-44.3 FG% (14.6 FGA), 36.6 3P% (4.5 3PA), 85.2 FT% (5.6 FTA)
playoffs-38.6 FG%, 31.0 FT%, 89.4 FT%



Career regular season
Kobe: 45.3 FG% (19.6 FGA), 33.7 3P% (3.9 3PA), 83.8 FT% (7.6 FTA). 55.4 TS%, 48.6 eFG%
Pierce: 44.8 FG% (16.1 FGA), 36.9 3P% (4.4 3PA), 80.7 FT% (7.4 FTA). 56.9 TS%, 49.9 eFG%


Career playoffs
Kobe: 44.8 FG%, 33.1 3P%, 81.6 FT%. 54.1 TS%, 48.0 eFG%
Pierce: 42.2 FG%, 34.4 3P%, 83.2 FT%. 55.2 TS%, 47.2 eFG%



How is Pierce so much more efficient? :confusedshrug:

[knickswin]

How is Pierce so much more efficient? :confusedshrug:

since 2005, Pierce's TS% has been mostly between .58-.62 which is very good. he had three seasons of 60%+ ts% which is what players should strive for.

Kobe's TS% tends to be closer to .55. he had one season of .58 in 2007. he has never really been close to 60%. in three out of the past four years he's been sub 0.55 which is not good.

[RRR3]

since 2005, Pierce's TS% has been mostly between .58-.62 which is very good. he had three seasons of 60%+ ts% which is what players should strive for.

Kobe's TS% tends to be closer to .55. he had one season of .58 in 2007. he has never really been close to 60%. in three out of the past four years he's been sub 0.55 which is not good.
Why don't you look at career numbers instead of cherry picking? :rolleyes: Did it ever occur to you that Pierce started taking way less shots after getting KG and Ray and thus was able to be more efficient? I'm prety sure they're also fairly equal in rebounding even though Kobe is a SG while PP is a SF. Kobe>Pierce on defense too and a better scorer obviously

[knickswin]

Why don't you look at career numbers instead of cherry picking? :rolleyes: Did it ever occur to you that Pierce started taking way less shots after getting KG and Ray and thus was able to be more efficient? I'm prety sure they're also fairly equal in rebounding even though Kobe is a SG while PP is a SF. Kobe>Pierce on defense too and a better scorer obviously

I'm not cherry-picking. their career numbers are going to be affected by their younger years which are more or less inconsequential to me for what I happen to value in players.

I'm looking at their numbers when they had championship caliber teams surrounding them. Yeah, Pierce had Garnett and Ray Allen but Kobe had Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, and Lamar Odom, so the circumstances are more or less equal to me. Pierce has been around a 60% ts% type player since he's had that squad while Kobe's been around a 55% ts% type player. That's a big difference. Since the Celtics have been a championship-level squad, Paul Pierce has impressed me more with his ability to fit his game inside a team dynamic than Kobe has.

I mean, it's subjective and all just opinion anyway. I have no dog in this fight since I'm neither a Lakers nor a Celtics fan. I just know that Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant are comparably skilled (no, Paul Pierce does not quite have the arsenal of moves Kobe has, but they are comparable dribblers, shooters, and post-up players and that's what really matters IMO) and Paul Pierce tends to take better shots and play less hero ball than Kobe, You don't see Paul Pierce going 7-21 or 8-24 like Kobe tends to do. That's why I'd rather have him on my team.