Mark Cuban: "It makes no sense that NBA owners subsidize the Olympics"

[bagelred]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Anyone questioning Cuban's "patriotism," get over it. You're missing the point. Olympics are a massive, money-making business. That's all.


Remember, this isn't only Team USA issue. NBA teams worry more about medical care and pressure on guys to play injured w/ smaller nations.


Cuban's in majority. Another GM on my column today: "If players take this control, should they also take the risk on their contract money?"

Dallas owner Mark Cuban tells Y! that "...the Olympics are a huge for-profit endeavor. It makes no sense that NBA owners subsidize it."

:applause: God, I love Mark Cuban. I want to kiss him on the mouth. Both because he's a handsome billionaire, and because he always cuts through the BS and has the right opinions.:cheers:

Mark Cuban, POTUS 2016:bowdown:

[R.I.P.]

Dirk Nowitzki
Peja Stojakovic
JJ Barea
Ian Mahinmi
Roddy Beaubois

Throw in Tyson Chandler, whose whole career was resurrected by the summer of 2010 and the World Championships. Guess he has done alright with the results of the internationalisation of basketball.

He complains that he doesn

[Jax]

NBA players should stop subsidizing ***** like Mark Cuban, open up the damn check books!! Stop this BS hard cap with some touches to make it look soft @80Mil,PAY UP!

[DKLaker]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Dirk Nowitzki
Peja Stojakovic
JJ Barea
Ian Mahinmi
Roddy Beaubois

Throw in Tyson Chandler, whose whole career was resurrected by the summer of 2010 and the World Championships. Guess he has done alright with the results of the internationalisation of basketball.

He complains that he doesn

[NumberSix]

:cheers:

****i$g greedy B@stards who only care about money, if the players want to play for their country we need to support that 100%. Nobody is being forced to play.....unlike the All-Star game......why not cut it out.
Olympics>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All-Star Game/Weekend
I'm sure if your gardener got injured at the gardening olympics but you still had to pay him to NOT work, you might have a different opinion.

[R.I.P.]

I'm sure if your gardener got injured at the gardening olympics but you still had to pay him to NOT work, you might have a different opinion.

The players are insured.

[NumberSix]

The players are insured.
Relevance? :confusedshrug:

[lilgodfather1]

If say any of the USA athletes get hurt in a non NBA game then it can cost that team millions of dollars in revenue.

Joe Blow "I was going to go see the Heat vs. Paces, but LeBron isn't playing so I don't want to shell out 100 bucks."

That is the reality. Teams can lose millions of dollars because the average fan only wants to see superstars.

[JustinJDW]

I know the Olympics has screwed us over a few times with Manu and Tony playing over the Summer, especially Manu. Guy already has enough mileage on his legs, and when he gets injured every season, it really makes me wish he'd just rest his body.

Guarantee you one of the two will get a injury by the end of the year when the season starts.

[stallionaire]

Cuban needs to shut the **** up and realize that the tradition of Team USA basketball with all pros, in its short span of time, been legendary so far. Let the fans have it. You're rich, just realize the business aspect is gonna have downfalls for you but you'll make the money anyway.

[ispin69]

Isn't the offseason technically their vacation so they can do wutevers they want? You could also say that the Olympics keep them active and not fall out of shape and become fatties when they come to training camp.

[DKLaker]

I'm sure if your gardener got injured at the gardening olympics but you still had to pay him to NOT work, you might have a different opinion.
Unlike you, I have great pride in my country and so do the players, so no my opinion wouldn't change for anyone doing something for my country.
The players are heavily insured and as Kobe said, if they were not playing in the Olympics they would be playing in pickup games and would be far more likely to get hurt.
Tony Parker almost got blinded going clubbing.....Olympics far less dangerous.
If the Owners are so freaking worried they should cancel all the All Star game
crap and let all the players rest.

CUBAN NEEDS TO STFU!!!!!!!

[west_tip]

Subsidise? Subsidise? Is he ****ing kidding with this subsidise bullshit? How many NBA arenas were built due to public subsidy? Pot. Kettle. Black.

The owners just had a lockout where they got most of the stuff on their "wishlist" and still they are not happy cos they aren't getting a % of the money that Olympic basketball generates when its the players and NOT the owners who are providing the product.

They want to tax everything. I hope the players tell them to eat a dick.

[DuMa]

theres always a side to every argument. i can see arguments from the owners' point of view but then again i also see the argument from the players's side. the notion that risk of injury is higher because theyre playing competitive ball is kinda silly because theyre always playing competitive ball in the offseason anyway. why not do it at the highest form of competitive ball with world class trainers and medical staff at your disposal?

[kentatm]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Dirk Nowitzki
Peja Stojakovic
JJ Barea
Ian Mahinmi
Roddy Beaubois

Throw in Tyson Chandler, whose whole career was resurrected by the summer of 2010 and the World Championships. Guess he has done alright with the results of the internationalisation of basketball.

He complains that he doesn

[DuMa]

anyway the whole issue is not about injuries. thats just a front for the owners who are really complaining that the IOC making bank off the basketball superstars. They want a peice of that pie like the greedy owners they always will be wanting.

[west_tip]

theres always a side to every argument. i can see arguments from the owners' point of view but then again i also see the argument from the players's side. the notion that risk of injury is higher because theyre playing competitive ball is kinda silly because theyre always playing competitive ball in the offseason anyway. why not do it at the highest form of competitive ball with world class trainers and medical staff at your disposal?

Agreed and that was the point that Kobe articulated a few weeks ago.

I really hate the modus operandi of NBA owners and their little henchman Stern:

1. Lobby city to build a new arena. If city refuse threaten to move team until city complies or move team anyway.
2. Block trades on arbitrary grounds citing "basketball reasons".
3. Arbitrary minimum age requirement of 19.
4. Complain that you are "subsidising" the Olympics when in fact it is the players who are giving up their free time for the honour of representing their country.
5. Complain when an unrestricted free agent exercises his right to sign for another team.

[bluechox2]

this hurts team usa's chances at gold in following olympics

cant see young nba players going up against vets

[NumberSix]

Unlike you, I have great pride in my country
Cool story bro.

Btw.... Unlike you, I'm not a murderer. Makes sense.

[eliteballer]

It makes no sense that taxpayers subsidize nba arenas.

F*ck off cuban:coleman:

[eliteballer]

and wtf..........the olympics are an OFFSEASON ACTIVITY no different from any commercial endeavors players might pursue in the offseason. Olympic profits go to the host cities and the olympic committee where they go to amateur athletes and for olympic administration, they redirect far more money for the public good than the NBA.

[R.I.P.]

this hurts team usa's chances at gold in following olympics

cant see young nba players going up against vets

Well they would want the international players that compete in the NBA not to compete either. That

[west_tip]

and wtf..........the olympics are an OFFSEASON ACTIVITY no different from any commercial endeavors players might pursue in the offseason. Olympic profits go to the host cities and the olympic committee where they go to amateur athletes and for olympic administration, they redirect far more money for the public good than the NBA.

Well said. The players are giving up their freetime in order to compete at the Olympics. I don't see that its any business of the owners what the players do in the offseason.

Moreover, the owners stance on this is incredibly shortsighted. The Olympics is an excellent showcase for the game of basketball where it is broadcast to a global audience and people who might never have watched it before are exposed to it. This is in turn can trigger greater interest in the NBA. For example the Dream Team of 1992 are frequently cited as being a significant catalyst that drove the international growth of basketball/NBA in the 1990's.

Cuban's complaints would be understandable if owners were losing players midseason (like the NHL does during the winter Olympics) or if players were playing EVERY summer but as it is the owners have exposed themselves as avaricious control freaks who think they have the right to micromanage their players. The owners should be satisfied with the concessions they got during the lockout and STFU, instead they are at odds with the players, AGAIN.

[SpanishACB]

If say any of the USA athletes get hurt in a non NBA game then it can cost that team millions of dollars in revenue.




True.

But there's also a chance that USA wins the whole thing and suddenly many chunks of Europe log in to the NBA store to buy Durant and Lebron jerseys.
Winning the olympcis gives you notoriety, and we all know what value publicity has.

[madmax17]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Well they would want the international players that compete in the NBA not to compete either. That

[LJJ]

Cuban's statements show his mentality: The players of the Dallas Mavericks are NOT Marc Cuban's employees, they are his property.

He's from the south alright.

[jbot]

The players are insured.
yeah but what if they blow a knee out? the money is there but the player can't even play.

it great that they can play for their country, just pray they don't get hurt doing it.

[RazorBaLade]

gotta admit thers an issue that the superstar of the heat, lakers, ny, etc can all have an easy ride while playing for his country but someone like dirk and tony parker has to go all out just for a chance and then come back and play in the nba all the same

punishing everyone sucks but maybe a 25 and under could work.

[Scholar]

I don't know how to feel about this statement by Cuban. On the one hand, the athletes are playing for their country; on the other hand, they could get injured and cause an NBA team to lose millions of dollars.
I'm not one to be too concerned about how much money another man makes or loses, but this post made me think that maybe team owners should be legitimately concerned:


I'm sure if your gardener got injured at the gardening olympics but you still had to pay him to NOT work, you might have a different opinion.

[west_tip]

I don't know how to feel about this statement by Cuban. On the one hand, the athletes are playing for their country; on the other hand, they could get injured and cause an NBA team to lose millions of dollars.
I'm not one to be too concerned about how much money another man makes or loses, but this post made me think that maybe Mark Cuban should be legitimately concerned:

Its a red herring and has already been debunked by Kobe, thus:

The players play pickup in the offseason against no names who have something to prove. The likelihood of injury in these impromptu games is undeniably greater than if players are playing properly officiated ball according to FIBA rules with world class medical professionals on hand.

Unless the owners can produce proof that there is a higher risk of injury playing in the Olympics than pickup Cuban's point is entirely moot.

[NumberSix]

But there's also a chance that USA wins the whole thing and suddenly many chunks of Europe log in to the NBA store to buy Durant and Lebron jerseys.
I'm pretty sure Miami would rather ensure LeBron's health than risk it for 3% of some jersey sales.

[niko]

Even if true it's going to make the NBA look terrible if they try to get compensated for the Olympics. And the players, who it's not even them pushing it, will look the worst.

[west_tip]

Even if true it's going to make the NBA look terrible if they try to get compensated for the Olympics. And the players, who it's not even them pushing it, will look the worst.

How will the players look the worst if they are not the ones lobbying to be compensated?

[bagelred]

Cuban's statements show his mentality: The players of the Dallas Mavericks are NOT Marc Cuban's employees, they are his property.

He's from the south alright.

Actually he's a Jew from Pennsylvania, but good try.

[LJJ]

Actually he's a Jew from Pennsylvania, but good try.

He lives in Pennsylvania? Damn, I though he lived in Dallas.


Anyways, owner of the Dallas NBA team; sees his human employees as his personal property, things are adding up here.

[bagelred]

He lives in Pennsylvania? Damn, I though he lived in Dallas.



English not your first language?

[9512]

paradox from Cuban.

NBA owners shouldn't subsidize the Olympics, but if cities with NBA teams don't want to subsidize NBA owners with $500 million lavish arenas, they move the team. :roll: :roll:

PS: I know Cuban voted against the Sonics moving out of Seattle but come on...:roll:

[LJJ]

English not your first language?

Nope.

But as far as I know "coming from" can indicate the place of residence, not strictly the exact place of birth.


Either way it's off topic, irrelevant drivel. What is relevant is that Cuban's moral values on this issue reflect those of Texans circa 1860. It makes no sense to him that he doesn't get to completely dictate what his "human assets" get to do with their free time.

[NumberSix]

Nope.

But as far as I know "coming from" can indicate the place of residence, not strictly the exact place of birth.


Either way it's off topic, irrelevant drivel. What is relevant is that Cuban's moral values on this issue reflect those of Texans circa 1860. It makes no sense to him that he doesn't get to completely dictate what his "human assets" get to do with their free time.
Why are you still running with the "slave owner" implications? You've already been completely fcking owned on that.

[LJJ]

Why are you still running with the "slave owner" implications? You've already been completely fcking owned on that.

Not in this thread I haven't.

Cuban doesn't have any right to dictate the entire private lives of people simply because he pays them a salary. And if he thinks he should have that right (which based on his comments he does), he's a gaping asshole.

[NumberSix]

Not in this thread I haven't.
May I direct your attention, to exhibit A


Cuban's statements show his mentality: The players of the Dallas Mavericks are NOT Marc Cuban's employees, they are his property.

He's from the south alright.


Actually he's a Jew from Pennsylvania, but good try.


Ether.

[LJJ]

May I direct your attention, to exhibit A


Ether.

That's about whether or not Cuban is from the south. It has nothing to do with his appalling mindset.

[niko]

How will the players look the worst if they are not the ones lobbying to be compensated?
People always blame the players. It's rare the owners get blamed.

[wang4three]

It makes no sense that taxpayers subsidize nba arenas.

F*ck off cuban:coleman:

Exactly what I thought when I saw the quote.

[Balla_Status]

Nope.

But as far as I know "coming from" can indicate the place of residence, not strictly the exact place of birth.


Either way it's off topic, irrelevant drivel. What is relevant is that Cuban's moral values on this issue reflect those of Texans circa 1860. It makes no sense to him that he doesn't get to completely dictate what his "human assets" get to do with their free time.

Dude, you've never even been to Texas.

[LJJ]

Dude, you've never even been to Texas.

:roll:

True. The Texas hate was just a quip. The Cuban hate is more heartfelt.

[wang4three]

Either way it's off topic, irrelevant drivel. What is relevant is that Cuban's moral values on this issue reflect those of Texans circa 1860. It makes no sense to him that he doesn't get to completely dictate what his "human assets" get to do with their free time.

Wait, how is this a moral value?

[Sarcastic]

Just another cash grab for the owners, which the public will interpret as the the players being evil thugs. Nothing to see here.

[LJJ]

Wait, how is this a moral value?

You can't just impede people's freedom and private matters simply because you pay them a salary.

[wang4three]

You can't just impede people's freedom and private matters simply because you pay them a salary.

I don't think it's a morality issue for him. There's nothing right or wrong being argued here. It's strictly business.

[LJJ]

I don't think it's a morality issue for him. There's nothing right or wrong being argued here. It's strictly business.

When he considers his business above basic human rights, of course it becomes a morality issue.

[wang4three]

When he considers his business above basic human rights, of course it becomes a morality issue.

He's clearly not making it a human rights issue. He's not denying "basic human rights" of his players nor implying that they should not have the freedom to participate in the Olympics. He's merely offering an opinion that he wants protection should his players get hurt in the Olympics. It's hedging, if anything.

[boozehound]

frankly, this is bullshit. those players are on vacation. Its not like they are breaking the season to do this. Many of them dont even get a paycheck this time of year. Can an owner of a company tell their employers they cant do something on vacation? Can they force felton to not eat pizza during the offseason? Cuban is a myopic dumbass.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Cuban isn't forced to 'subsidize' anything unless it's in one of the Mavs contracts' that says as a player you cannot participate in the Olympics or play organized basketball during the off-season.

[bmulls]

I don't think Cuban has an issue with the players playing per se, I think he has an issue with the the IOC, NBC and others making a metric fckton of money off of the NBA players while the owners are the ones who lose if a player goes down.

[tomtucker]

i don

[Euroleague]

If Mark Cuban thinks that all of the international basketball federations of all the individual countries are going to turn over their rights and money share of the FIBA World Cup to him and the NBA, then he is an even crazier nutcase than I thought he was.

That guy must be seriously deranged.

2010 FIBA World Cup made more money than the 2008 Olympics basketball tournament did.

FIBA World Cup is the most watched, and highest earning basketball event in the world. With more viewers and more revenues than the NBA Finals or the Olympics basketball.

And this nut job Cuban thinks that all the national federations are just going to give up their share of the rights in it and let him PERSONALLY reap all the monetary gain?

Wow, Cuban is seriously insane.

[liquidrage]

It makes no sense that my employer subsidizes what I do in my spare time when I'm off from work. They should pay me only what I need for when I'm there.

[JMT]

frankly, this is bullshit. those players are on vacation. Its not like they are breaking the season to do this. Many of them dont even get a paycheck this time of year. Can an owner of a company tell their employers they cant do something on vacation? Can they force felton to not eat pizza during the offseason? Cuban is a myopic dumbass.

There are all kinds of off season restrictions built into professional sports contracts. Not even uncommon.

[JMT]

If Mark Cuban thinks that all of the international basketball federations of all the individual countries are going to turn over their rights and money share of the FIBA World Cup to him and the NBA, then he is an even crazier nutcase than I thought he was.

That guy must be seriously deranged.

And this nut job Cuban thinks that all the national federations are just going to give up their share of the rights in it and let him PERSONALLY reap all the monetary gain?

Wow, Cuban is seriously insane.

Can you only read in Euro as well? Because it doesn't appear Cuban said anything even remotely resembling your comments.

[liquidrage]

There are all kinds of off season restrictions built into professional sports contracts. Not even uncommon.


But they are negotiated on a case by case basis. The Philadelphia Flyers restrict some players from owning exotic sports cars after their star goalie died in one in the 80's. But that's on a contract basis. If Mark wants to sign someone to a contract and they can't play organized/Olympic ball in the summer, that's between him and the player that signs that particular contract.

That's wholly different than trying to say the owners are subsidizing the Olympics.

[Euroleague]

Can you only read in Euro as well? Because it doesn't appear Cuban said anything even remotely resembling your comments.

Cuban said that he would only agree to allowing NBA players to play at the World Cup if HE OWNED IT and he said that was what he and other owners were going to demand.

So somehow that nutcase actually thinks that the national federations are going to let him and the NBA owners own the World Cup and take all its profits.

Yeah OK, so players from all over the world that don't play in the NBA are going to play there and the federations get nothing, while Cuban takes all the profits........

seriously, that guy Cuban is obviously certifiably insane.

[noosaman]

You pretty much have to be retarded to like Marc Cuban

[tomtucker]

If Mark Cuban thinks that all of the international basketball federations of all the individual countries are going to turn over their rights and money share of the FIBA World Cup to him and the NBA, then he is an even crazier nutcase than I thought he was.

That guy must be seriously deranged.

2010 FIBA World Cup made more money than the 2008 Olympics basketball tournament did.

FIBA World Cup is the most watched, and highest earning basketball event in the world. With more viewers and more revenues than the NBA Finals or the Olympics basketball.And this nut job Cuban thinks that all the national federations are just going to give up their share of the rights in it and let him PERSONALLY reap all the monetary gain?

Wow, Cuban is seriously insane.

hard to belive :eek:

[SpanishACB]

I'm pretty sure Miami would rather ensure LeBron's health than risk it for 3% of some jersey sales.

Ensure? How do you do that? By not allowing him to play, ever?

The jersey sales was just a particular example to make it easier for people with lack of perspective to understand, but even then, I failed.

Having these players play in full stadiums in London for the Olympics gives more to the NBA than it would take from it if Lebron got injured for a 15 days.

The problem whatsoever is the problem that NBA has in its nature, people are basically player fans.

[SpanishACB]

hard to belive :eek:

Yeah, it's bullshit. Unless he's like adding the audiences of all the basketball leagues outside of the NBA, and even then, I think the NBA is still the most viewed.

And with revenues he might mean ticket sales, which is nothing compared to the actual money the NBA makes (being privatized).

So, he's basically using demagogy.

Not sure why he's not banned yet, with him this forum will never be serious.

[Euroleague]

Yeah, it's bullshit. Unless he's like adding the audiences of all the basketball leagues outside of the NBA, and even then, I think the NBA is still the most viewed.

And with revenues he might mean ticket sales, which is nothing compared to the actual money the NBA makes (being privatized).

So, he's basically using demagogy.

Not sure why he's not banned yet, with him this forum will never be serious.

Total TV audience in 2010 FIBA World Cup was 1 billion viewers.

Not sure why you are not banned yet, considering what a huge liar and troll you are.

[Kevin_Gamble]

Yet it makes sense that NBA owners are subsidized by the taxpayers? Not to mention the Olympics is one of the reasons why NBA got so big overseas.