Game 7 Performances by All-Time Greats [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Deuce Bigalow

07-31-2012, 04:54 AM

1948 Semifinals - Game 7 (BAA)
Joe Fulks: 15 pts, 6 FG, 3 FT (W)

1952 Finals - Game 7
George Mikan: 22 pts, 19 reb, 4 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-10 FT (W)

1954 Finals - Game 7
George Mikan: 11 pts, 2-10 FG, 7-10 FT (W)

1955 Finals - Game 7
Dolph Schayes: 13 pts, 12 reb, 4 FG, 5-6 FT (W)

1957 Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 19 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 7-17 FG, 5-10 FT (W)
Bob Cousy: 12 pts, 3 reb, 11 ast, 2-20 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
Bob Pettit: 39 pts, 19 reb, 3 ast, 14-34 FG, 11-13 FT (L)

1959 Eastern Division Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 18 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 8-23 FG, 2-2 FT (W)
Bob Cousy: 25 pts, 9 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
Sam Jones: 19 pts, 6 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
Dolph Schayes: 35 pts, 16 reb, 9 ast, 11 FG, 13-15 FT (W)

1960 Western Division Finals - Game 7
Elgin Baylor: 33 pts, 13 reb, 9-28 FG, 15-15 FT (L)
Bob Pettit: 28 pts, 20 reb, 10-23 FG, 8-10 FT (W)

1960 Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 22 pts, 35 reb, 4 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
Bob Pettit: 22 pts, 14 reb, 4 ast, 8-18 FG, 6-13 FT (L)
Bob Cousy: 19 pts, 6 reb, 14 ast, 8-25 FG, 3-4 FT (W)
Sam Jones: 18 pts, 4 reb, 2 ast, 8-14 FG, 2-2 FT (W)

1961 Western Division Finals - Game 7
Jerry West: 29 pts, 12 reb, 11-22 FG, 7-9 FT (L)
Elgin Baylor: 39 pts, 12 reb, 16-36 FG, 7-7 FT (L)
Bob Pettit: 31 pts, 17 reb, 11-24 FG, 9-13 FT (W)

1962 Eastern Division Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 19 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-14 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 22 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-9 FT (L)
Bob Cousy: 21 pts, 8 FG, 5 FT (W)
Sam Jones: 28 pts, 12 FG, 4 FT (W)

1962 Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 30 pts, 40 reb, 4 ast, 8-18 FG, 14-17 FT (W)
Jerry West: 35 pts, 6 reb, 0 ast, 14-30 FG, 7-8 FT (L)
Elgin Baylor: 41 pts, 22 reb, 4 ast, 13-40 FG, 15-21 FT (L)
Bob Cousy: 8 pts, 3 FG, 2 FT (W)
Sam Jones: 27 pts, 12 FG, 3 FT (W)

1963 Eastern Division Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 20 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 8-14 FG, 4-6 FT (W)
Oscar Robertson: 43 pts, 6 reb, 6 ast, 11-24 FG, 21-22 FT (L)
John Havlicek: 8 pts, 3 FG, 2 FT (W)
Bob Cousy: 21 pts, 9 FG, 3 FT (W)
Sam Jones: 47 pts, 18 FG, 11 FT (W)

1963 Western Division Finals - Game 7
Jerry West: 27 pts, 11 reb, 12-23 FG, 3-4 FT (W)
Elgin Baylor: 35 pts, 15 reb, 14-28 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
Bob Pettit: 31 pts, 13 reb, 10 FG, 11 FT (L)

1964 Western Division Finals - Game 7
Wilt Chamberlain: 39 pts, 30 reb, 19-29 FG, 1-6 FT (W)
Bob Pettit: 24 pts, 7 FG, 10-12 FT (L)

1965 Eastern Division Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 15 pts, 29 reb, 8 ast, 7-16 FG, 1-2 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 30 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 12-15 FG, 6-13 FT (L)
John Havlicek: 26 pts, 10 FG, 6-7 FT (W)
Sam Jones: 37 pts, 15 FG, 7-9 FT (W)

1966 Western Division Finals - Game 7
Jerry West: 35 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast, 14-25 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
Elgin Baylor: 33 pts, 11 reb, 7 ast, 13-24 FG, 7-8 FT (W)

1966 Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 25 pts, 32 reb, 1 ast, 10-22 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
Jerry West: 36 pts, 10 reb, 3 ast, 12-27 FG, 12-16 FT (L)
Elgin Baylor: 18 pts, 14 reb, 1 ast, 6-22 FG, 6-6 FT (L)
John Havlicek: 16 pts, 16 reb, 2 ast, 6-21 FG, 4-6 FT (W)
Sam Jones: 22 pts, 5 reb, 0 ast, 10-21 FG, 2-2 FT (W)

1968 Eastern Division Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 12 pts, 26 reb, 5 ast, 4-6 FG, 4-10 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 14 pts, 35 reb, 5 ast, 4-9 FG, 6-15 FT (L)
John Havlicek: 21 pts, 7 FG, 7-7 FT (W)
Sam Jones: 22 pts, 9 FG, 4-4 FT (W)

1969 Finals - Game 7
Bill Russell: 6 pts, 21 reb, 6 ast, 2-7 FG, 2-4 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 18 pts, 27 reb, 3 ast, 7-8 FG, 4-13 FT (L)
Jerry West: 42 pts, 13 reb, 12 ast, 14-29 FG, 14-18 FT (L)
Elgin Baylor: 20 pts, 15 reb, 7 ast, 8-22 FG, 4-5 FT (L)
John Havlicek: 26 pts, 9 reb, 5 ast, 11-19 FG, 4-7 FT (L)
Sam Jones: 27 pts, 7 reb, 3 ast, 10-16 FG, 4-4 FT (W)

1970 Western Division Semifinals - Game 7
Wilt Chamberlain: 30 pts, 27 reb, 6 ast, 11-18 FG, 8-17 FT (W)
Jerry West: 19 pts, 2 reb, 15 ast, 9-19 FG, 1-3 FT (W)
Elgin Baylor: 25 pts, 14 reb, 7 ast, 10-19 FG, 5-6 FT (W)

1970 Eastern Division Semifinals - Game 7
Walt Frazier: 14 pts, 14 reb, 6 FG, 2-4 FT (W)
Willis Reed: 15 pts, 7 FG, 1-1 FT (W)

1970 Finals - Game 7
Wilt Chamberlain: 21 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 10-16 FG, 1-11 FT (L)
Jerry West: 28 pts, 6 reb, 5 ast, 9-19 FG, 10-12 FT (L)
Elgin Baylor: 19 pts, 5 reb, 1 ast, 9-17 FG, 1-2 FT (L)
Walt Frazier: 36 pts, 7 reb, 19 ast, 12-17 FG, 12-12 FT (W)
Willis Reed: 4 pts, 3 reb, 1 ast, 2-5 FG, 0-0 FT (W)

1971 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Wilt Chamberlain: 25 pts, 19 reb, 9 ast, 7-12 FG, 11-17 FT (W)

1971 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Walt Frazier: 13 pts, 5 FG, 3-4 FT (L)
Willis Reed: 24 pts, 12 reb, 9 FG, 6-9 FT (L)

1973 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Wilt Chamberlain: 21 pts, 28 reb, 4 ast, 10-17 FG, 1-1 FT (W)
Jerry West: 27 pts, 7 reb, 7 ast, 9-23 FG, 9-12 FT (W)

1973 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
John Havlicek: 4 pts, 1 FG, 2-3 FT (L)
Dave Cowens: 24 pts, 14 reb, 10 FG, 4-7 FT (L)
Walt Frazier: 25 pts, 10 FG, 5-7 FT (W)
Willis Reed: 15 pts, 6 reb, 6 FG, 3-4 FT (W)

1974 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Walt Frazier: 19 pts, 7 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
Willis Reed: 2 pts, 1 reb, 1 FG, 0-0 FT (W)
Elvin Hayes: 12 pts, 13 reb, 5 FG, 2-2 FT (L)

1974 Finals - Game 7
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 26 pts, 13 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 10-21 FG, 6-11 FT (L)
Oscar Robertson: 6 pts, 3 reb, 11 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2-13 FG, 2-2 FT (L)
John Havlicek: 16 pts, 9 reb, 6 ast, 3 stl, 0 blk, 6-20 FG, 4-4 FT (W)
Dave Cowens: 28 pts, 14 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 13-25 FG, 2-2 FT (W)

1975 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Elvin Hayes: 24 pts, 9 reb, 10 FG, 4-6 FT (W)
Bob McAdoo: 36 pts, 11 reb, 16 FG, 4-6 FT (L)

1975 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Rick Barry: 22 pts, 8 FG, 6-7 FT (W)

1976 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Elvin Hayes: 21 pts, 11 reb, 9 FG, 3-6 FT (L)

1976 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Rick Barry: 20 pts, 8 FG, 4-4 FT (L)

1977 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 36 pts, 26 reb, 4 ast, 14-25 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
Rick Barry: 15 pts, 7 FG, 1-1 FT (L)

1977 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Julius Erving: 14 pts, 8 reb, 1 ast, 6-19 FG, 2-2 FT (W)
John Havlicek: 13 pts, 4 FG, 5-8 FT (L)
Dave Cowens: 11 pts, 27 reb, 5 FG, 1-2 FT (L)

1978 Finals - Game 7
Elvin Hayes: 12 pts, 8 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blk, 1 tov, 5-10 FG, 2-3 FT (W)

1978 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
David Thompson: 37 pts, 16 FG, 5-7 FT (W)

1979 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Julius Erving: 34 pts, 5 reb, 8 ast, 11-16 FG, 12-16 FT (L)
George Gervin: 33 pts, 10 FG, 9-10 FT (W)

1979 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Elvin Hayes: 39 points, 15 reb, 17 FG, 5-10 FT (W)

1979 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
George Gervin: 42 pts, 16 FG, 10-13 FT (L)
Elvin Hayes: 25 pts, 15 reb, 9 FG, 7-10 FT (W)

1981 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Julius Erving: 28 pts, 7 reb, 3 ast, 11-26 FG, 6-8 FT (W)

1981 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Moses Malone: 21 pts, 16 reb, 6 FG, 9-14 FT (W)

1981 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 23 pts, 11 reb, 5 ast, 8-17 FG, 1 3PT, 6-7 FT (W)
Juius Erving: 23 pts, 8 reb, 5 ast, 11-21 FG, 1-2 FT (L)

1982 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 20 pts, 11 reb, 9 ast, 2 blk, 7-18 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-8 FT (L)
Julius Erving: 29 pts, 4 reb, 5 ast, 3 blk, 10-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 9-9 FT (W)

1984 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 39 pts, 12 reb, 10 ast, 13-24 FG, 1 3PT, 12-12 FT (W)

1984 Finals - Game 7
Magic Johnson: 16 pts, 5 reb, 15 ast, 4 stl, 2 blk, 7 tov, 5-14 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-7 FT (L)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 29 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 2 tov, 12-22 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-8 FT (L)
Larry Bird: 20 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-0 3 PT, 8-8 FT (W)

1986 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Charles Barkley: 18 pts, 12 reb, 2 ast, 4 stl, 0 blk, 6 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-6 FT (L)
Julius Erving: 17 pts, 6 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-17 FG, 0-1 3PT, 5-5 FT (L)

1987 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 31 pts, 10 reb, 8 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 9-21 FG, 0-1 3PT, 13-13 FT (W)

1987 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 37 pts, 9 reb, 9 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 13-24 FG, 1-2 3PT, 10-10 FT (W)
Isiah Thomas: 25 pts, 4 reb, 9 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 10-28 FG, 0-1 3PT, 5-7 FT (L)

1988 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 34 pts, 4 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 15-24 FG, 1-3 3PT, 3-3 FT (W)
Dominique Wilkins: 47 pts, 5 reb, 3 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 0 tov, 19-33 FG, 1-2 3PT, 8-9 FT (L)

1988 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Magic Johnson: 23 pts, 9 reb, 16 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 9-15 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 11 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 4 blk, 2 tov, 4-10 FG, 0-1 3PT, 3-3 FT (W)
Karl Malone: 31 pts, 15 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 5 tov, 14-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-9 FT (L)
John Stockton: 29 pts, 1 reb, 20 ast, 5 stl, 0 blk, 5 tov, 10-15 FG, 1-3 3PT, 8-8 FT (L)

1988 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Magic Johnson: 24 pts, 9 reb, 11 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 9-15 FG, 0-1 3PT, 6-6 FT (W)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 17 pts, 7 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 0 tov, 8-14 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (W)

1988 Finals - Game 7
Magic Johnson: 19 pts, 5 reb, 14 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-1 3PT, 7-8 FT (W)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 4 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 2-7 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (W)
Isiah Thomas: 10 pts, 0 reb, 7 ast, 4 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 4-12 FG, 0-1 3PT, 2-2 FT (L)
James Worthy: 36 pts, 16 reb, 10 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 5 tov, 15-22 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-10 FT (W)

1990 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Michael Jordan: 31 pts, 8 reb, 9 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 13-27 FG, 0-2 3PT, 5-5 FT (L)
Scottie Pippen: 2 pts, 4 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 1-10 FG, 0-2 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)

Deuce Bigalow

07-31-2012, 04:55 AM

1990 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
David Robinson: 20 pts, 16 reb, 0 ast, 0 stl, 3 blk, 2 tov, 7-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-11 FT (L)

1992 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Michael Jordan: 42 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 5 tov, 15-29 FG, 0-0 3PT, 12-13 FT (W)
Scottie Pippen: 17 pts, 11 reb, 11 ast, 3 stl, 0 blk, 5 tov, 7-11 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-4 FT (W)

1992 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 12 pts, 5 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)

1993 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Hakeem Olajuwon: 23 pts, 17 reb, 9 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 7-15 FG, 0-1 3PT, 9-10 FT (L)

1993 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Charles Barkley: 44 pts, 24 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 1 tov, 12-20 FG, 1-1 3PT, 19-22 T (W)
Gary Payton: 9 pts, 2 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 3-7 FG, 0-0 FT, 3-5 FT (L)

1994 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7:
Karl Malone: 31 pts, 14 reb, 6 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 12-23 FG, 0-0 3PT, 7-9 FT (W)
John Stockton: 6 pts, 3 reb, 9 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 1 tov, 2-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 2-2 FT (W)

1994 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Scottie Pippen: 20 pts, 16 reb, 5 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-22 FG, 1-6 3PT, 3-6 FT (L)
Patrick Ewing: 18 pts, 17 reb, 6 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 0 tov, 7-17 FG, 1-2 3PT, 3-5 FT (W)

1994 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Hakeem Olajuwon: 37 pts, 17 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 18-33 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (W)
Charles Barkley: 24 pts, 15 reb, 4 ast, 3 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 9-19 FG, 2-7 3PT, 4-5 FT (W)

1994 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Patrick Ewing: 24 pts, 22 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 5 blk, 3 tov, 10-23 FG, 0-0 3PT, 4-6 FT (W)

1994 Finals - Game 7
Hakeem Olajuwon: 25 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 2 tov, 10-25 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-7 FT (W)
Patrick Ewing: 17 pts, 10 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blk, 5 tov, 7-17 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-6 FT (L)

1995 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Patrick Ewing: 29 pts, 14 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 3 tov, 12-23 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-9 FT (L)

1995 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Hakeem Olajuwon: 29 pts, 11 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 5 tov, 10-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 9-17 FT (W)
Charles Barkley: 18 pts, 23 reb, 5 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 7 tov, 7-16 FG, 0-2 3PT, 4-5 FT (L)

1995 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Shaquille O'Neal: 25 pts, 11 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 4 tov, 11-15 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-11 FT (W)

1996 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Karl Malone: 22 pts, 5 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 8-22 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-6 FT (L)
John Stockton: 22 pts, 8 reb, 7 ast, 4 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 9-15 FG, 2-4 3PT, 2-3 FT (L)

1997 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Patrick Ewing: 37 pts, 17 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 2 tov, 17-27 FG, 0-1 3PT, 3-3 FT (L)

1998 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Michael Jordan: 28 pts, 9 reb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 9-25 FG, 0-0 3PT 10-15 FT (W)
Scottie Pippen: 17 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-5 3PT, 5-9 FT (W)

2000 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Patrick Ewing: 20 pts, 10 reb, 0 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 1 tov, 5-10 FG, 0-0 3PT, 10-12 FT (W)

2000 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Shaquille O'Neal: 18 pts, 9 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 5-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 8-12 FT (W)
Kobe Bryant: 25 pts, 11 reb, 7 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 2 tov, 9-19 FG, 1-4 3PT, 6-12 FT (W)
Scottie Pippen: 12 pts, 10 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 3-10 FG, 2-6 3PT, 4-4 FT (L)

2002 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Shaquille O'Neal: 35 pts, 13 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 3 tov, 12-25 FG, 0-0 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)
Kobe Bryant: 30 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 0 tov, 10-26 FG, 2-3 3PT, 8-10 FT (W)

2003 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Dirk Nowitzki: 30 pts, 19 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 0 tov, 12-20 FG, 3-4 3PT, 3-4 FT (W)

2004 Eastern Conference First Round - Game 7
Dwyane Wade: 12 pts, 4 reb, 7 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 5-18 FG, 0-1 3PT, 2-2 FT (W)

2004 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Kevin Garnett: 31 pts, 21 reb, 2 ast, 4 stl, 5 blk, 2 tov, 12-23 FG, 1-1 3PT, 7-11 FT (W)

2005 Western Conference First Round - Game 7
Dirk Nowitzki: 14 pts, 14 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 2 tov, 5-14 FG, 0-1 3PT, 4-6 FT (W)

2005 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Shaquille O'Neal: 27 pts, 9 reb, 1 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 5 tov, 12-19 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-6 FT (L)
Dwyane Wade: 20 pts, 1 reb, 4 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 5 tov, 7-20 FG, 0-1 FT, 6-7 FT (L)

2005 Finals - Game 7
Tim Duncan: 25 pts, 11 reb, 3 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 5 tov, 10-27 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)

2006 Western Conference First Round - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 24 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-16 FG, 4-8 3PT, 4-5 FT (L)

2006 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Tim Duncan: 41 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 12-24 FG, 0-1 3PT, 17-23 FT (L)
Dirk Nowitzki: 37 pts, 15 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 0 tov, 11-20 FG, 0-1 3PT, 15-16 FT (W)

2006 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Lebron James: 27 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 11-24 FG, 0-4 3PT, 5-8 FT (L)

2008 Eastern Conference First Round - Game 7
Kevin Garnett: 18 pts, 11 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 9-13 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-1 FT (W)

2008 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Tim Duncan: 16 pts, 14 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 5-17 FG, 0-1 3PT, 6-6 FT (W)

2008 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Lebron James: 45 pts, 6 reb, 2 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 14-29 FG, 3-11 3PT, 14-19 FT (L)

2009 Eastern Conference First Round - Game 7
Dwyane Wade: 31 pts, 3 reb, 4 ast, 1 stl, 2 blk, 4 tov, 10-25 FG, 2-9 3PT, 9-9 FT (L)

2009 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 14 pts, 7 reb, 5 ast, 3 stl, 2 blk, 1 tov, 4-12 FG, 1-4 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)

2010 Finals - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 23 pts, 15 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-24 FG, 0-6 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)
Kevin Garnett: 17 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 2 tov, 8-13 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (L)

2011 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Kevin Durant: 39 pts, 9 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 3 blk, 2 tov, 13/25 FG, 4/9 3PT, 9/9 FT (W)

2012 Western Conference First Round - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 17 pts, 1 reb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 7-16 FG, 2-2 3PT, 1-4 FT (W)

2012 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Kevin Garnett: 18 pts, 13 reb, 0 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 7-17 FG, 0-1 3PT, 4-6 FT (W)

2012 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Lebron James: 31 pts, 12 reb, 2ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 9-21 FG, 1-5 3PT, 12-17 FT (W)
Kevin Garnett: 14 pts, 7 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 6-12 FG, 0-0 3PT, 2-2 FT (L)
Dwyane Wade: 23 pts, 6 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 8-17 FG, 0-2 3PT, 7-8 FT (W)

2013 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Lebron James: 32 pts, 8 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 8-17 FG, 1-2 3PT, 15-16 FT (W)
Dwyane Wade: 21 pts, 9 reb, 1 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 7-17 FG, 0-0 3PT, 7-7 FT (W)

2013 Finals - Game 7
Tim Duncan: 24 pts, 12 reb, 2 ast, 4 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-18 FG, 0-0 3PT, 8-8 FT (L)
Lebron James: 37 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 12-23 FG, 5-10 3PT, 8-8 FT (W)
Dwyane Wade: 23 pts, 10 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blk, 4 tov, 11-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-2 FT (W)

Deuce Bigalow

07-31-2012, 04:56 AM

Bob Pettit
39 pts, 19 reb, 3 ast, 14-34 FG, 11-13 FT (L)
28 pts, 20 reb, 10-23 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
22 pts, 14 reb, 4 ast, 8-18 FG, 6-13 FT (L)
31 pts, 17 reb, 11-24 FG, 9-13 FT (W)
31 pts, 13 reb, 10 FG, 11 FT (L)
24 pts, 7 FG, 10-12 FT (L)

Bill Russell
19 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 7-17 FG, 5-10 FT (W)
18 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 8-23 FG, 2-2 FT (W)
22 pts, 35 reb, 4 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
19 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-14 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
30 pts, 40 reb, 4 ast, 8-18 FG, 14-17 FT (W)
20 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 8-14 FG, 4-6 FT (W)
15 pts, 29 reb, 8 ast, 7-16 FG, 1-2 FT (W)
25 pts, 32 reb, 1 ast, 10-22 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
12 pts, 26 reb, 5 ast, 4-6 FG, 4-10 FT (W)
6 pts, 21 reb, 6 ast, 2-7 FG, 2-4 FT (W)

Elgin Baylor
33 pts, 13 reb, 9-28 FG, 15-15 FT (L)
39 pts, 12 reb, 16-36 FG, 7-7 FT (L)
41 pts, 22 reb, 4 ast, 13-40 FG, 15-21 FT (L)
35 pts, 15 reb, 14-28 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
33 pts, 11 reb, 7 ast, 13-24 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
18 pts, 14 reb, 1 ast, 6-22 FG, 6-6 FT (L)
20 pts, 15 reb, 7 ast, 8-22 FG, 4-5 FT (L)
25 pts, 14 reb, 7 ast, 10-19 FG, 5-6 FT (W)
19 pts, 5 reb, 1 ast, 9-17 FG, 1-2 FT (L)

Wilt Chamberlain
22 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-9 FT (L)
39 pts, 30 reb, 19-29 FG, 1-6 FT (W)
30 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 12-15 FG, 6-13 FT (L)
14 pts, 35 reb, 5 ast, 4-9 FG, 6-15 FT (L)
18 pts, 27 reb, 3 ast, 7-8 FG, 4-13 FT (L)
30 pts, 27 reb, 6 ast, 11-18 FG, 8-17 FT (W)
21 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 10-16 FG, 1-11 FT (L)
25 pts, 19 reb, 9 ast, 7-12 FG, 11-17 FT (W)
21 pts, 28 reb, 4 ast, 10-17 FG, 1-1 FT (W)

Jerry West
29 pts, 12 reb, 11-22 FG, 7-9 FT (L)
35 pts, 6 reb, 0 ast, 14-30 FG, 7-8 FT (L)
27 pts, 11 reb, 12-23 FG, 3-4 FT (W)
35 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast, 14-25 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
36 pts, 10 reb, 3 ast, 12-27 FG, 12-16 FT (L)
42 pts, 13 reb, 12 ast, 14-29 FG, 14-18 FT (L)
19 pts, 2 reb, 15 ast, 9-19 FG, 1-3 FT (W)
28 pts, 6 reb, 5 ast, 9-19 FG, 10-12 FT (L)
27 pts, 7 reb, 7 ast, 9-23 FG, 9-12 FT (W)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
26 pts, 13 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 10-21 FG, 6-11 FT (L)
36 pts, 26 reb, 4 ast, 14-25 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
29 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 2 tov, 12-22 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-8 FT (L)
11 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 4 blk, 2 tov, 4-10 FG, 0-1 3PT, 3-3 FT (W)
17 pts, 7 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 0 tov, 8-14 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (W)
4 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 2-7 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (W)

Julius Erving
14 pts, 8 reb, 1 ast, 6-19 FG, 2-2 FT (W)
34 pts, 5 reb, 8 ast, 11-16 FG, 12-16 FT (L)
23 pts, 8 reb, 5 ast, 11-21 FG, 1-2 FT (L)
29 pts, 4 reb, 5 ast, 3 blk, 10-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 9-9 FT (W)
17 pts, 6 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-17 FG, 0-1 3PT, 5-5 FT (L)

Magic Johnson
16 pts, 5 reb, 15 ast, 4 stl, 2 blk, 7 tov, 5-14 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-7 FT (L)
23 pts, 9 reb, 16 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 9-15 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)
24 pts, 9 reb, 11 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 9-15 FG, 0-1 3PT, 6-6 FT (W)
19 pts, 5 reb, 14 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-1 3PT, 7-8 FT (W)

Larry Bird
23 pts, 11 reb, 5 ast, 8-17 FG, 1 3PT, 6-7 FT (W)
20 pts, 11 reb, 9 ast, 2 blk, 7-18 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-8 FT (L)
39 pts, 12 reb, 10 ast, 13-24 FG, 1 3PT, 12-12 FT (W)
20 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-0 3PT
31 pts, 10 reb, 8 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 9-21 FG, 0-1 3PT, 13-13 FT (W)
37 pts, 9 reb, 9 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 13-24 FG, 1-2 3PT, 10-10 FT (W)
34 pts, 4 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 15-24 FG, 1-3 3PT, 3-3 FT (W)
12 pts, 5 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)

Hakeem Olajuwon
23 pts, 17 reb, 9 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 7-15 FG, 0-1 3PT, 9-10 FT (L)
37 pts, 17 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 18-33 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (W)
25 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 2 tov, 10-25 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-7 FT (W)
29 pts, 11 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 5 tov, 10-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 9-17 FT (W)

Michael Jordan
31 pts, 8 reb, 9 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 13-27 FG, 0-2 3PT, 5-5 FT (L)
42 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 5 tov, 15-29 FG, 0-0 3PT, 12-13 FT (W)
28 pts, 9 reb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 9-25 FG, 0-0 3PT 10-15 FT (W)

Karl Malone
31 pts, 15 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 5 tov, 14-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-9 FT (L)
31 pts, 14 reb, 6 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 12-23 FG, 0-0 3PT, 7-9 FT (W)
22 pts, 5 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 8-22 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-6 FT (L)

Shaquille O'Neal
25 pts, 11 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 4 tov, 11-15 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-11 FT (W)
18 pts, 9 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 5-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 8-12 FT (W)
35 pts, 13 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 3 tov, 12-25 FG, 0-0 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)
27 pts, 9 reb, 1 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 5 tov, 12-19 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-6 FT (L)

Kobe Bryant
25 pts, 11 reb, 7 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 2 tov, 9-19 FG, 1-4 3PT, 6-12 FT (W)
30 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 0 tov, 10-26 FG, 2-3 3PT, 8-10 FT (W)
24 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-16 FG, 4-8 3PT, 4-5 FT (L)
14 pts, 7 reb, 5 ast, 3 stl, 2 blk, 1 tov, 4-12 FG, 1-4 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)
23 pts, 15 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-24 FG, 0-6 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)
17 pts, 1 reb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 7-16 FG, 2-2 3PT, 1-4 FT (W)

Tim Duncan
25 pts, 11 reb, 3 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 5 tov, 10-27 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)
41 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 12-24 FG, 0-1 3PT, 17-23 FT (L)
16 pts, 14 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 5-17 FG, 0-1 3PT, 6-6 FT (W)
24 pts, 12 reb, 2 ast, 4 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-18 FG, 0-0 3PT, 8-8 FT (L)

Lebron James
27 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 11-24 FG, 0-4 3PT, 5-8 FT (L)
45 pts, 6 reb, 2 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 14-29 FG, 3-11 3PT, 14-19 FT (L)
31 pts, 12 reb, 2ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 9-21 FG, 1-5 3PT, 12-17 FT (W)
32 pts, 8 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 8-17 FG, 1-2 3PT, 15-16 FT (W)
37 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 12-23 FG, 5-10 3PT, 8-8 FT (W)

RazorBaLade

07-31-2012, 05:02 AM

almost everyone shoots well below their avg.

Pressure gets to a lot of people it looks like

NumberSix

07-31-2012, 05:12 AM

1994 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Hakeem Olajuwon: 37 pts, 17 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 18-33 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (W)
:bowdown:

Trumpin

07-31-2012, 07:24 AM

:bowdown:
33 shots to get 37 points isn't a bowdown performance.

OldSchoolBBall

07-31-2012, 08:10 AM

33 shots to get 37 points isn't a bowdown performance.

The FT's didn't flow like water like thy do today, so yeah, it kinda is. Guys actually had to MAKE SHOTS back then a lot more than they do today, with the parade to the FT line many of today's stars have seen the last several years.

alenleomessi

07-31-2012, 08:31 AM

1993 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Charles Barkley: 44 pts, 21 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 1 tov, 12-20 FG, 1-1 3PT, 19-22 T (W)

:bowdown:

thelucifer69

07-31-2012, 08:48 AM

Lebron James 34/74 46%FG 34PPG :applause:

Kobe 44/113 39%FG 22PPG :confusedshrug:

thelucifer69

07-31-2012, 08:57 AM

guy

07-31-2012, 09:26 AM

33 shots to get 37 points isn't a bowdown performance.

He only shot 1 FT. I don't see the difference between that and going 15-26 from FG and 7-7 from FT.

Round Mound

07-31-2012, 10:00 AM

1990 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Michael Jordan: 31 pts, 8 reb, 9 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 13-27 FG, 0-2 3PT, 5-5 FT (L)
Scottie Pippen: 2 pts, 4 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 1-10 FG, 0-2 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)

1990 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
David Robinson: 20 pts, 16 reb, 0 ast, 0 stl, 3 blk, 2 tov, 7-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-11 FT (L)

1992 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Michael Jordan: 42 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 5 tov, 15-29 FG, 0-0 3PT, 12-13 FT (W)
Scottie Pippen: 17 pts, 11 reb, 11 ast, 3 stl, 0 blk, 5 tov, 7-11 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-4 FT (W)

1992 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 12 pts, 5 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)

1993 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Hakeem Olajuwon: 23 pts, 17 reb, 9 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 7-15 FG, 0-1 3PT, 9-10 FT (L)

1993 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Charles Barkley: 44 pts, 24 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 1 tov, 12-20 FG, 1-1 3PT, 19-22 FT (W)

1994 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7:
Karl Malone; 31 pts, 14 reb, 6 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 12-23 FG, 0-0 3PT, 7-9 FT (W)
John Stockton: 6 pts, 3 reb, 9 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 1 tov, 2-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 2-2 FT (W)

1994 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Scottie Pippen: 20 pts, 16 reb, 5 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-22 FG, 1-6 3PT, 3-6 FT (L)

1994 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Hakeem Olajuwon: 37 pts, 17 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 18-33 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (W)
Charles Barkley: 24 pts, 15 reb, 4 ast, 3 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 9-19 FG, 2-7 3PT, 4-5 FT (W)

1994 Finals - Game 7
Hakeem Olajuwon: 25 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 2 tov, 10-25 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-7 FT (W)

1995 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Hakeem Olajuwon: 29 pts, 11 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 5 tov, 10-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 9-17 FT (W)
Charles Barkley: 18 pts, 23 reb, 5 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 7 tov, 7-16 FG, 0-2 3PT, 4-5 FT (L)

1995 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Shaquille O'Neal: 25 pts, 11 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 4 tov, 11-15 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-11 FT (W)

1996 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Karl Malone: 22 pts, 5 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 8-22 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-6 FT (L)
John Stockton: 22 pts, 8 reb, 7 ast, 4 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 9-15 FG, 2-4 3PT, 2-3 FT (L)

1998 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Michael Jordan: 28 pts, 9 reb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 9-25 FG, 0-0 3PT 10-15 FT (W)
Scottie Pippen: 17 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-5 3PT, 5-9 FT (W)

2000 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Shaquille O'Neal: 18 pts, 9 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 5-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 8-12 FT (W)
Kobe Bryant: 25 pts, 11 reb, 7 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 2 tov, 9-19 FG, 1-4 3PT, 6-12 FT (W)
Scottie Pippen: 12 pts, 10 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 3-10 FG, 2-6 3PT, 4-4 FT (L)

2002 Western Conference Finals - Game 7
Shaquille O'Neal: 35 pts, 13 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 3 tov, 12-25 FT, 0-0 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)
Kobe Bryant: 30 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 0 tov, 10-26 FG, 2-3 3PT, 8-10 FT (W)

2003 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Dirk Nowitzki: 30 pts, 19 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 0 tov, 12-20 FG, 3-4 3PT, 3-4 FT (W)

2004 Eastern Conference First Round - Game 7
Dwyane Wade: 12 pts, 4 reb, 7 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 5-18 FG, 0-1 3PT, 2-2 FT (W)

2004 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Kevin Garnett: 31 pts, 21 reb, 2 ast, 4 stl, 5 blk, 2 tov, 12-23 FG, 1-1 3PT, 7-11 FT (W)

2005 Western Conference First Round - Game 7
Dirk Nowitzki: 14 pts, 14 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 2 tov, 5-14 FG, 0-1 3PT, 4-6 FT (W)

2005 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Shaquille O'Neal: 27 pts, 9 reb, 1 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 5 tov, 12-19 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-6 FT (L)
Dwyane Wade: 20 pts, 1 reb, 4 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 5 tov, 7-20 FG, 0-1 FT, 6-7 FT (L)

2005 Finals - Game 7
Tim Duncan: 25 pts, 11 reb, 3 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 5 tov, 10-27 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)

2006 Western Conference First Round - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 24 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-16 FG, 4-8 3PT, 4-5 FT (L)

2006 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Tim Duncan: 41 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 12-24 FG, 0-1 3PT, 17-23 FT (L)
Dirk Nowitzki: 37 pts, 15 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 0 tov, 11-20 FG, 0-1 3PT, 15-16 FT (W)

2006 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Lebron James: 27 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 11-24 FG, 0-4 3PT, 5-8 FT (L)

2008 Eastern Conference First Round - Game 7
Kevin Garnett: 18 pts, 11 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 9-13 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-1 FT (W)

2008 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Tim Duncan: 16 pts, 14 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 5-17 FG, 0-1 3PT, 6-6 FT (W)

2008 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Lebron James: 45 pts, 6 reb, 2 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 14-29 FG, 3-11 3PT, 14-19 FT (L)

2009 Eastern Conference First Round - Game 7
Dwyane Wade: 31 pts, 3 reb, 4 ast, 1 stl, 2 blk, 4 tov, 10-25 FG, 2-9 3PT, 9-9 FT (L)

2009 Western Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 14 pts, 7 reb, 5 ast, 3 stl, 2 blk, 1 tov, 4-12 FG, 1-4 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)

2010 Finals - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 23 pts, 15 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-24 FG, 0-6 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)

2012 Western Conference First Round - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 17 pts, 1 reb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 7-16 FG, 2-2 3PT, 1-4 FT (W)

2012 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Kevin Garnett: 18 pts, 13 reb, 0 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 7-17 FG, 0-1 3PT, 4-6 FT (W)

2012 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Lebron James: 31 pts, 12 reb, 2ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 9-21 FG, 1-5 3PT, 12-17 FT (W)
Kevin Garnett: 14 pts, 7 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 6-12 FG, 0-0 3PT, 2-2 FT (L)
Dwyane Wade: 23 pts, 6 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 8-17 FG, 0-2 3PT, 7-8 FT (W)

Will add more later

Corrected :cheers:

Nash

07-31-2012, 10:37 AM

Lelbron, nice to see stats showing that he has some kinda clutch in him.

28renyoy

07-31-2012, 10:44 AM

Kevin Durant's career averages in game 7's

39 points 9 rebounds 2 assists 3 blocks 52 FG% 44 3p% 100 FT% :bowdown:

Nash

07-31-2012, 10:45 AM

Kevin Durant's career averages in game 7's

39 points 9 rebounds 2 assists 3 blocks 52 FG% 44 3p% 100 FT% :bowdown:
Thats great, can't wait to see what kinda player Durant will be in a few more years in the league.

Deuce Bigalow

07-31-2012, 04:13 PM

The FT's didn't flow like water like thy do today, so yeah, it kinda is. Guys actually had to MAKE SHOTS back then a lot more than they do today, with the parade to the FT line many of today's stars have seen the last several years.
League Average eFG%

'80s: .491
'90s: .488
'00s: .484

League Average PPG

'80s: 109.3
'90s: 101.0
'00s: 96.9

% of Points from the Freethrow line

'80s: 20.3
'90s: 19.8
'00s: 19.5

RoundMoundOfReb

07-31-2012, 04:28 PM

League Average eFG%

'80s: .491
'90s: .488
'00s: .484

League Average PPG

'80s: 109.3
'90s: 101.0
'00s: 96.9

% of Points from the Freethrow line

'80s: 20.3
'90s: 19.8
'00s: 19.5
:applause:

KevinNYC

07-31-2012, 05:29 PM

1992 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 12 pts, 5 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)

:eek: Why does this one make the list?

but none of these...listed at the youtube link?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWr5JLVZV-E

Larry Bird 39/12/10 vs. Knicks (Game 7 1984 ECSF)

1987 ECF vs. Pistons - 37/9/9 including scoring or assisting on nearly every shot in the last 6 minutes of the game.

1987 ECSF vs. Bucks - 31 pts, 13 of them in the fourth quarter. Wayne Gretzky credited Bird's performance to "inspiring him" later on that night. He said, "I was watching Bird this afternoon on television, and the announcers kept talking about how the Celtics needed him to score if they were going to win, and in the fourth quarter Bird took charge and the Celtics won. When I came to the arena tonight, I was determined to do the same thing."

Deuce Bigalow

07-31-2012, 05:37 PM

:eek: Why does this one make the list?

but none of these...listed at the youtube link?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWr5JLVZV-E

1987 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 31 pts, 10 reb, 8 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 9-21 FG, 0-1 3PT, 13-13 FT (W)

1987 Eastern Conference Finals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 37 pts, 9 reb, 9 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 13-24 FG, 1-2 3PT, 10-10 FT (W)

1988 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 34 pts, 4 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 15-24 FG, 1-3 3PT, 3-3 FT (W)
I'm slowly adding them all, don't worry. :cheers:

Deuce Bigalow

07-31-2012, 10:18 PM

'70s and '80s now added.

I can't find the complete stats of non-Finals Playoffs games before 1984, except any of Wilt games.

tmacattack33

07-31-2012, 10:31 PM

Barkley with 44 and 24. Wow.

tmacattack33

07-31-2012, 10:34 PM

Jordan was only in three game 7's?

KDTrey5

07-31-2012, 10:36 PM

pierce?

Thorn

07-31-2012, 10:50 PM

Game 7 1984 Finals
Bird 6/18 FG 8/8 FT 20/12/3 W
Magic 5/14 FG 6/7 FT 16/5/15 L
Kareem 12/22 FG 5/8 FT 29/6/4 L

Game 7 1982 ECF
Bird 7/18 FG 6/8 FT 20/11/9 L
Erving 10/21 FG 9/9 FT 29/4/5 W

Game 7 1981 ECF
Bird 8 FG, 6/7 FT 23/ W
Erving 11 FG 1/2 FT L

From this thread made by alexandreben

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186698

Bill Russell 18.6 pts 29.3 rbs 10W-0L

19pts 32rbs W 1957 Finals Game 7 vs St Louis Hawks: Boston won 125-123 (2OT)

18pts 32rbs W 1959 EDF Game 7 vs Syracuse: Boston won 130-125

22pts 35rbs W 1960 Finals Game 7 vs St Louis Hawks: Boston won 122-103

19pts 22rbs W 1962 EDF Game 7 vs Phila: Boston won 109-107

30pts 40rbs W 1962 Finals Game 7 vs Lakers: Boston won 110-107 (OT)

20pts 24rbs W 1963 EDF Game 7 vs Cincinnati: Boston won 142-131

15pts 29rbs W 1965 EDF Game 7 vs Phila: Boston won 110-109

25pts 32rbs W 1966 Finals Game 7 vs Lakers: Boston won 95-93

12pts 26rbs W 1968 EDF Game 7 vs Phila: Boston won 100-96

6pts 21rbs W 1969 Finals Game 7 vs Lakers: Boston won title 108-106

Wilt Chamberlain 25.8 pts 25.3 rbs 4W-5L

22pts 21rbs L 1962 EDF Game 7 vs Celtics:*Wilt 22 pts(7-14) 21 rebs, Phila 107-109 lost by 2 point (in the final 2 seconds, Sam James hit a clutch shot. Wilt was sandwiched by the entire Celtics frontline)

39pts 26rbs W 1964 WDF Game 7 vs. St Louis Hawks:*Wilt scored 39 pts 26 rebs 12 blocks, Warriors won 105-95

30pts 32rbs L 1965 EDF Game 7 vs Phila: Havlicek stole the ball, Celtics won 110-109; Wilt scored*30 pts 32 rebs in a 1 point loss

14pts 34rbs L 1968 EDF Game 7 vs Phila: Boston won 100-96, Wilt snatched 34 rebounds but scored just 14 points (on 4-of-9 shooting) and attempted only two field goals in the second half. Hal Greer (8-of-25) Matt Guokas (2-of-10), Wally Jones (8-of-22) Chet Walker (8-of-22) and Luke Jackson (7-of-17) couldn't have hit water from a boat. Their combined 33-of-96 (34 percent) and 20-of-36 from the foul line all but assured that the 76ers would cough up the series after building a commanding 3-1 lead.

18pts 27rbs L 1969 Finals Game 7 vs Lakers: Wilt 18pts 27rbs, Lakers lost 106-108 (Head coach BVK refused put Wilt back to the court due to personal grudge)

30pts 27rbs W 1970 WDS Game 7 vs Phoenix Suns: Wilt 30pts 27 rebounds 11 blocks, Baylor 25pts, Jerry West 19pts, Lakers won 129-94, Wilt's big game helped Lakers became the 2nd team to come back from 1-3

21pts 24rbs L 1970 Finals Game 7 vs Knicks: Wilt 21pts(10-16) 24rbs 4 ast, Jerry West 28pts(9-19) 6rbs 5ast, Baylor 19pts(9-17) 6rbs 6ast, Lakers lost 99-113

25pts 18rbs W 1971 WCS Game 7 vs Chicago Bulls: Wilt 15pts 19rbs, Jerry West and Baylor didn't play due to injury, Lakers won 109-98

21pts 28rbs W 1973 WCS Game 7 vs Chicago Bulls: Wilt 21pts 28rbs, Jerry West 27pts, Bulls trailed 92-91 in the last half-minute, and Bulls had the ball, then Chamberlain blocked a shot by Norm Van Lier, threw a full-court pass to Gail goodrich, who scored, and the Lakers had the lead for the first time in the second half. Jerry West added two foul shots with two seconds to go, Lakers won 95-92

Jerry West 30.8 pts 5W-5L

L 1961 WDF Game 7 v.s. St Louis Hawks: Baylor 39 pts, West 29 pts, Lakers lost by 2pts 105-103

L 1962 Finals Game 7 v.s. Celtics: Jerry West 35 pts, Lakers lost 107-110 in OT

W 1963 WDF Game 7 vs St Louis Hawks: Baylor 35 pts, Jerry West 27 pts, Lakers won 115-110

W 1966 WDF Game 7 vs St Louis Hawks: Baylor 33 pts, Jerry West 35 pts, Lakers won 130-121

L 1966 Finals Game 7 vs Celtics: Baylor 18 pts, Jerry West 36 pts, Lakers lost 93-95

L 1969 Finals Game 7 vs Celtics: Wilt 18pts(7-8) 27rbs 3ast, Jerry West 42pts(14-29) 13rbs 12ast, Baylor 20pts(8-22) 15rbs 7ast, Lakers lost 106-108

W 1970 WDS Game 7 vs Phoenix Suns: Wilt 30pts, Baylor 25pts, Jerry West 19pts, Lakers won 129-94

L 1970 Finals Game 7 vs Knicks: Wilt 21pts(10-16) 24rbs 4 ast, Jerry West 28pts(9-19) 6rbs 5ast, Baylor 19pts(9-17) 6rbs 6ast, Lakers lost 99-113

W 1971 WCS Game 7 vs Chicago Bulls: Wilt 15pts 19rbs, Jerry West and Baylor didn't play due to injury, Lakers won 109-98

W 1973 WCS Game 7 vs Chicago Bulls: Wilt 21pts 28rbs, Jerry West 27pts, Bulls trailed 92-91 in the last half-minute, and Bulls had the ball, then Chamberlain blocked a shot by Norm Van Lier, threw a full-court pass to Gail goodrich, who scored, and the Lakers had the lead for the first time in the second half. Jerry West added two foul shots with two seconds to go, Lakers won 95-92

Elgin Baylor 29.2 pts 4W-6L

L 1960 WDF Game 7 vs. St Louis Hawks: Baylor scored 33 pts while Petit got 28pts, Lakers lost 86-97

L 1961 WDF Game 7 v.s. St Louis Hawks: Baylor 39 pts, West 29 pts, Lakers lost by 2pts 105-103

L 1962 Finals Game 7 v.s. Celtics: Baylor fouled out with 2 minutes left in the OT after scoring 41 pts, Lakers lost 107-110 in OT

W 1963 WDF Game 7 vs St Louis Hawks: Baylor 35 pts, Jerry West 27 pts, Lakers won 115-110

W 1966 WDF Game 7 vs St Louis Hawks: Baylor 33 pts, Jerry West 35 pts, Lakers won 130-121

L 1966 Finals Game 7 vs Celtics: Baylor 18 pts, Jerry West 36 pts, Lakers lost 93-95

L 1969 Finals Game 7 vs Celtics: Wilt 18pts(7-8) 27rbs 3ast, Jerry West 42pts(14-29) 13rbs 12ast, Baylor 20pts(8-22) 15rbs 7ast, Lakers lost 106-108

W 1970 WDS Game 7 vs Phoenix Suns: Wilt 30pts, Baylor 25pts, Jerry West 19pts, Lakers won 129-94

L 1970 Finals Game 7 vs Knicks: Wilt 21pts(10-16) 24rbs 4 ast, Jerry West 28pts(9-19) 6rbs 5ast, Baylor 19pts(9-17) 6rbs 6ast, Lakers lost 99-113

W 1971 WCS Game 7 vs Chicago Bulls: Wilt 15pts 19rbs, Jerry West and Baylor didn't play due to injury, Lakers won 109-98W

Kareem 20.5 pts 10.6 rbs 4W-2L

L 1974 Finals Game 7 vs Celtics: KAJ 236pts 14rbs, KAJ was shut out for nearly 18 minutes in the middle of the game while the Celtics built an insurmountable lead. Cowens scored 28pts 14rbs helped Celtics' 12th title, the 25yr old Big O played 48 minutes got doubled and was held by Don Chaney to have only two baskets in 13 shots, Bucks lost 87-102

W 1977 WCS Game 7 vs Warriors: KAJ scored 36pts 28rbs

L 1984 Finals Game 7 vs Pistons: Jabbar scored game high 29pts(12-22) 6rbs 4ast 2blk, Parish 14pts(4-16) 16rbs 2ast 1blk, Lakers lost in the Finals 102-111

W 1988 WCS Game 7 vs Jazz: KAJ had 11pts(4-10) 4blk, Stockton 29pts 20ast 5stl, Karl Malone 31pts 14rbs, Worthy 23pts 4stl(scored only 4pts in G6), Byron Scott led Lakers with 29pts, but Magic 23pts 16ast 9rbs was the heart and soul of Lakers' victory 109-98

W 1988 WCF Game 7 vs Mavericks: Magic scored 24pts(8pts in 2nd half) 11ast 9rbs, Worthy 28pts, KAJ added 17pts, Lakers won 117-102, Mark Aguirre led Mavericks with 24pts

W 1988 Finals Game 7 vs Pistons: KAJ played 29min only scored 4pts(2-7) 3rbs, Worthy 36pts 16rbs 10ast is the man to Lakers victory, Magic 19pts(6-9) 14ast 5rbs, Lakers won title 108-105, Isiah 10pts(4-12)

Magic Johnson 20.5 pts 14 ast 3W-1L

L 1984 Finals Game 7 vs Celtics: Magic managed 16pts(5-14) 5rbs 15ast 7tov, Lakers lost 102-111

W 1988 WCS Game 7 vs Jazz: Magic was the heart and soul, 23pts 16ast, of Lakers' victory 109-98

W 1988 WCF Game 7 vs Mavericks: Magic scored 24pts 11ast 9rbs, Worthy 28pts, Lakers won 117-102

W 1988 Finals Game 7 vs Pistons: Worthy 36pts 16rbs 10ast, Magic 19pts(6-9) 14ast 5rbs, Lakers won title 108-105

Michael Jordan 33.6 pts 7.6 rbs 2W-1L

L 1990 ECF Game 7 vs. Pistons:*31pts 8rbs 9ast, Bulls lost 74-93

W 1992 ECS Game 7 vs Knicks: Jordan finishes with 42pts (15-29), 6rbds, 4 asts. the Chicago Bulls defeated in the New York Knicks, 110-81

W 1998 ECF Game 7 vs Pacers:*Jordan finished 28pts 9rbs 8ast, Bulls won 88-83

All of Bird's, Kobe's, Shaq's, and Duncan's were already mentioned

edit: added Baylor's, Kareem's games, fixed the MJ game

Deuce Bigalow

07-31-2012, 11:12 PM

Tenchi Ryu

07-31-2012, 11:13 PM

Jordan was only in three game 7's?
Bulls closed shit early most of the time.

Horde of Temujin

07-31-2012, 11:15 PM

2006 WCF was such a great series.

It was a stark contrast from the disgrace of a Finals that followed.

RaininTwos

07-31-2012, 11:19 PM

Bulls closed shit early most of the time.
they wrapped their shit up quick!:oldlol: :oldlol:

are we including game 5's?

fpliii

07-31-2012, 11:26 PM

Thanks. Will use those rebounding numbers from Russell when I do the '60s.
I have fpliii's google doc of the game 7 Wilt vs Russell matchups to help me on that too.

:cheers:

if you give me specific games to look up complete lines for, let me know (do you need game 5's as well for 5-game series?)

btw to outside observers (not that you'll necessarily care), I don't like/dislike Wilt, just wanted to try to complete the matchup table; I actually have Russ higher (one of three guys, with Magic and Jordan, who has an argument for GOAT), so if anything I'm a supporter of his ATM

jlauber

07-31-2012, 11:37 PM

Game five's of best-of-five series, and even game three's of best-of-three series should count, as well. Those are "elimination" games.

And, in which case, you SHOULD include Wilt's 56-35 and 53-22 games, too (as well as Kareem and Moses's '81 game three.)

Not only that, but you SHOULD also provide their opposing player's numbers (at least in positional H2H's.) Here again, Chamberlain was outscoring his opposing starting center by as much as 53-7.

BTW, here are Wilt's numbers in his 11 "absolute limit elmination" game's. 29.9 ppg, 26.1 rpg, and on a .581 FG% (incidently, in his game seven's, his FG% was .626, which is the highest of any all-time great in their game seven's.) Not only that, but Chamberlain crushed his opposing centers on the glass in those games, and held them to, on average, 9.8 ppg.

SevereUpInHere

07-31-2012, 11:38 PM

Ewing had quite a few game 7s (not all good mind you)

91 E semis v Chi
22/9/1

94 E Semis v Chi
17/20/4 3st

94 ECF v Indiana
24/22/7 5blk

94 Final v Houston
17/10/1 :(

95 E Semis v Ind game losing missed layup :(

29/14/5 4blk

96 E Semi v Mia

37/17/4 2 blk

00 E Semis v Mia

18/12/1 3blk

I'm too lazy to get all the shooting percentages, let's say they're not all great, is there a better way to search for this stuff than playoff game logs on basketball reference? ('scuse any errors)

jlauber

07-31-2012, 11:43 PM

:cheers:

if you give me specific games to look up complete lines for, let me know (do you need game 5's as well for 5-game series?)

btw to outside observers (not that you'll necessarily care), I don't like/dislike Wilt, just wanted to try to complete the matchup table; I actually have Russ higher (one of three guys, with Magic and Jordan, who has an argument for GOAT), so if anything I'm a supporter of his ATM

Russell was the greater "winner" to be sure, but often overlooked was the fact that Russell's CELTICS beat Wilt's TEAMs in four game seven's, and by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points. It's not as if Russell's Celtics were just annihilating Chamberlain's teams (most of which were heavily outgunned, and with rosters that generally played poorly.)

As far as individual numbers go, as you KNOW, Chamberlain DOUBLED Russell in scoring, outrebounded him by FIVE per game, and outshot him from the field, on average, by about a .500 to .400 overall FG% in their 143 H2H games. And you would be hard-pressed to find a dozen games in which Russell clearly outplayed Wilt, but you could easily find some 40+ in which Chamberlain just buried Russell.

Deuce Bigalow

07-31-2012, 11:43 PM

Deuce Bigalow

07-31-2012, 11:47 PM

Pacers4ever

07-31-2012, 11:50 PM

Charles Barkley :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

fpliii

07-31-2012, 11:55 PM

Russell was the greater "winner" to be sure, but often overlooked was the fact that Russell's CELTICS beat Wilt's TEAMs in four game seven's, and by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points. It's not as if Russell's Celtics were just annihilating Chamberlain's teams (most of which were heavily outgunned, and with rosters that generally played poorly.)

As far as individual numbers go, as you KNOW, Chamberlain DOUBLED Russell in scoring, outrebounded him by FIVE per game, and outshot him from the field, on average, by about a .500 to .400 overall FG% in their 143 H2H games. And you would be hard-pressed to find a dozen games in which Russell clearly outplayed Wilt, but you could easily find some 40+ in which Chamberlain just buried Russell.

greater player != better player in h2h matchups...I have Wilt at 4 right now not because he was a lesser player, but because I can't make a GOAT argument for Wilt, just as I can't for anyone other than those three players (including Kareem, who I have at 5 now, contrary to popular opinion)

that being said, GOAT lists don't mean much for me, I care a lot more about learning about players, doing research, and sharing with others...just felt the need to qualify the spreadsheet (since more often than not, a Wilt fan would present such findings) to note my objectivity

Just doing Game 7s.

1966 Eastern Div Finals - Lakers/Hawks
1964 Western Div Finals - Warriors/Hawks
1963 Eastern Div Finals - Celtics/Royals
1963 Western Div Finals - Lakers/Hawks
1961 Western Div Finals - Lakers/Hawks
1960 Western Div Finals - Lakers/Hawks

and even the older ones of any all-time great players if you have the stats

:cheers:

I'll see what I can find on those and any other games for which you need holes filled in

hopefully this thread is still busy tomorrow, since the ProQuest archives are a little whack today

Deuce Bigalow

08-01-2012, 12:01 AM

SevereUpInHere

08-01-2012, 12:08 AM

Wow, I totally forgot Patrick Ewing. I'm going to add him right now.
btw the first series you mentioned did not go to game 7.

My bad, I was going between wiki and bball reference at work. Look forward to seeing the full correct stats :cheers:

jlauber

08-01-2012, 12:11 AM

greater player != better player in h2h matchups...I have Wilt at 4 right now not because he was a lesser player, but because I can't make a GOAT argument for Wilt, just as I can't for anyone other than those three players (including Kareem, who I have at 5 now, contrary to popular opinion)

that being said, GOAT lists don't mean much for me, I care a lot more about learning about players, doing research, and sharing with others...just felt the need to qualify the spreadsheet (since more often than not, a Wilt fan would present such findings) to note my objectivity

I'll see what I can find on those and any other games for which you need holes filled in

hopefully this thread is still busy tomorrow, since the ProQuest archives are a little whack today

I actually have Russell, MJ, Magic, and Chamberlain, and in any order, at 1-4. I have Kareem slightly below them. Then Shaq and Duncan in a near tie, just below Kareem. And then Bird, Kobe, Hakeem, and Moses, in any order, 8-11. I base that on several criteria, including the fact that Wilt, saddled with inept rosters for nearly half of his career, nearly knocked out Russell's Celtics in FOUR game seven's. Not only that, but it was generally not Russell vs. Wilt in those matchups, but rather a swarming Celtic TEAM vs Wilt. That is well documented. And, keep in mind that when Chamberlain had a comparable supporting cast, that was healthy, as was the case in '67, his TEAM just destroyed the 60-21 Celtics...in a series in which Wilt overwhelmed Russell in EVERY facet of the game.

Chamberlain was an eye-lash away from 6-7 rings (losing a game seven to the 60-22 Knicks in '70.) And in the majority of his H2H's, he was simply the more dominant player on the floor.

In Russell's defense...he led his team's to 11 titles in 13 seasons. Aside from goling 13-13, what more could he have accomplised? And, along the way, he did whatever was necessary to win those rings, too. He had a 30-40 game seven (and a Finals' clinching game six of 30-38.) He had post-seasons of 20+ ppg. He led Boston in scoring in the '66 Finals, at 23.6 ppg. And his '65 Finals of 18-27 .702 is one of the greatest (and most under-rated) Finals in NBA history. And none of that even comes close to his overall defensive impact.

Still, all things considered, IMHO, Russell and Chamberlain are on the same overall level. Russell got more from his teammates, while Chamberlain carried his. And I still agree with John Wooden, who claimed that had Russell and Wilt swapped rosters, and likely it would have been Wilt with 11 rings. In any case, Chamberlain would surely have had considerably more than the two he wound up with.

Deuce Bigalow

08-01-2012, 12:21 AM

I actually have Russell, MJ, Magic, and Chamberlain, and in any order, at 1-4. I have Kareem slightly below them. Then Shaq and Duncan in a near tie, just below Kareem. And then Bird, Kobe, Hakeem, and Moses, in any order, 8-11. I base that on several criteria, including the fact that Wilt, saddled with inept rosters for nearly half of his career, nearly knocked out Russell's Celtics in FOUR game seven's. Not only that, but it was generally not Russell vs. Wilt in those matchups, but rather a swarming Celtic TEAM vs Wilt. That is well documented. And, keep in mind that when Chamberlain had a comparable supporting cast, that was healthy, as was the case in '67, his TEAM just destroyed the 60-21 Celtics...in a series in which Wilt overwhelmed Russell in EVERY facet of the game.

Chamberlain was an eye-lash away from 6-7 rings (losing a game seven to the 60-22 Knicks in '70.) And in the majority of his H2H's, he was simply the more dominant player on the floor.

In Russell's defense...he led his team's to 11 titles in 13 seasons. Aside from goling 13-13, what more could he have accomplised? And, along the way, he did whatever was necessary to win those rings, too. He had a 30-40 game seven (and a Finals' clinching game six of 30-38.) He had post-seasons of 20+ ppg. He led Boston in scoring in the '66 Finals, at 23.6 ppg. And his '65 Finals of 18-27 .702 is one of the greatest (and most under-rated) Finals in NBA history. And none of that even comes close to his overall defensive impact.

Still, all things considered, IMHO, Russell and Chamberlain are on the same overall level. Russell got more from his teammates, while Chamberlain carried his. And I still agree with John Wooden, who claimed that had Russell and Wilt swapped rosters, and likely it would have been Wilt with 11 rings. In any case, Chamberlain would surely have had considerably more than the two he wound up with.
When you miss 7, 8, 9 FTs in close games of 1, 2, 3 point losses, that happens

PHILA

08-01-2012, 12:38 AM

Horatio33

08-01-2012, 12:38 AM

He was a few bricked free throws from winning more rings.

NumberSix

08-01-2012, 12:50 AM

33 shots to get 37 points isn't a bowdown performance.
Good job completely ignoring the 17 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 blocks. Once again proving.......

ISH, where scoring is the ONLY thing that matters.

Deuce Bigalow

08-01-2012, 12:53 AM

Good job completely ignoring the 17 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 blocks. Once again proving.......

ISH, where scoring is the ONLY thing that matters.
Plus it was 18-33. Very efficient, especially on that kind of volume.

jlauber

08-01-2012, 01:03 AM

When you miss 7, 8, 9 FTs in close games of 1, 2, 3 point losses, that happens

Chamberlain's TEAMs shot more FT's and MADE more FTs, in nearly EVERY one of his 35 Finals games. Why? BECAUSE of Chamberlain. I will take the time later, to break those down, but last I looked, his TEAM's shot more FTs and MADE more FTs, in 26 of those 35 games (26-6-3 to be exact), and some by HUGE margins.

Furthermore, Wilt's TEAMs either LED, or were among the very top, in FTAs in his almost every season of his career. And his '67 Sixers were LIGHT YEARS ahead of their opposition in that regard (BTW, Chamberlain shot 22-72 from the line in the '67 Finals...and his Sixers easily won the title. Oh, and BTW, he outshot Thurmond from the FLOOR in that series by a .560 to .343 margin. Think about this...in that series, Chamberlain's Sixers shot 173-282 from the line, to SF's 133-190. Even taking Wilt's FT-FTA out of the equation, his TEAM STILL outscored the Warriors.

You want a great example of Wilt's IMPACT at the line? How about this? In his 68-69 season, Wilt's Lakers LED the NBA in FTA's (and they would outscore and outshoot Boston in the Finals with a 182-286 to 159-203 margin.) In fact, they would outshoot Boston in ALL seven games in that series.

The next year, Chamberlain went down with an injury early in the season, and would only play in 12 games. Where did his Lakers finish in FTAs? TWELFTH is a 14 team league. BUT, then Chamberlain returned for the playoffs. Guess what? His Lakers shot 200 MORE FTAs than the next best team (NY), and outscored the Knicks from the line in the Finals by going 176-257 to NY's 122-176.) Once again, the outshot and OUTSCORED the Knicks from the line in EVERY game in that series.

The fact was, Chamberlain's IMPACT from the line was dramatic. His teammates BENEFITTED from getting to the line earlier, and in the bonus faster, and to the line more often, BECAUSE of Chamberlain. Not only that, but Wilt getting opposing players and entire TEAMS in foul trouble. How many easy baskets did his teammates receive because of either lax defense, or because the opposing starter was on the bench?

And Wilt OUTSCORED his opposing centers in nearly every game, as well. For instance in his '65 ECF's against Russell, he not only outshot Russell from the line by a .583 to .472 margin, he OUTSCORED Russell by a 49-17 margin.

And finally, Chamberlain was the king of "and-one's" too. Why is that significant? Because those FTAs were BONUS attempts. He not only made the FG, but he then took a FTA as well.

THAT was Wilt's true IMPACT at the line.

jlauber

08-01-2012, 01:06 AM

1965 EDF Gm. 7

Bill Russell: 15 pts, 29 rebounds, 8 assists, 6 blocks

Wilt Chamberlain: 30 pts, 32 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block (Took the game over late in the 3rd quarter into the 4th)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESDFppbQ2zM&t=2m31s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESDFppbQ2zM&t=2m31s)

Chamberlain not only outshot Russell from the field in that seven game series (while outscoring him, 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg) .555 to .447, he outshot Russell from the LINE, as well (.583 to .472.) And, as ALWAYS, he OUTSCORED Russell from the line, as well, 49-17.

Deuce Bigalow

08-01-2012, 01:09 AM

Chamberlain's TEAMs shot more FT's and MADE more FTs, in nearly EVERY one of his 35 Finals games. Why? BECAUSE of Chamberlain. I will take the time later, to break those down, but last I looked, his TEAM's shot more FTs and MADE more FTs, in 26 of those 35 games (26-6-3 to be exact), and some by HUGE margins.

Furthermore, Wilt's TEAMs either LED, or were among the very top, in FTAs in his almost every season of his career. And his '67 Sixers were LIGHT YEARS ahead of their opposition in that regard (BTW, Chamberlain shot 22-72 from the line in the '67 Finals...and his Sixers easily won the title. Oh, and BTW, he outshot Thurmond from the FLOOR in that series by a .560 to .343 margin. Think about this...in that series, Chamberlain's Sixers shot 173-282 from the line, to SF's 133-190. Even taking Wilt's FT-FTA out of the equation, his TEAM STILL outscored the Warriors.

You want a great example of Wilt's IMPACT at the line? How about this? In his 68-69 season, Wilt's Lakers LED the NBA in FTA's (and they would outscore and outshoot Boston in the Finals with a 182-286 to 159-203 margin.) In fact, they would outshoot Boston in ALL seven games in that series.

The next year, Chamberlain went down with an injury early in the season, and would only play in 12 games. Where did his Lakers finish in FTAs? TWELFTH is a 14 team league. BUT, then Chamberlain returned for the playoffs. Guess what? His Lakers shot 200 MORE FTAs than the next best team (NY), and outscored the Knicks from the line in the Finals by going 176-257 to NY's 122-176.) Once again, the outshot and OUTSCORED the Knicks from the line in EVERY game in that series.

The fact was, Chamberlain's IMPACT from the line was dramatic. His teammates BENEFITTED from getting to the line earlier, and in the bonus faster, and to the line more often, BECAUSE of Chamberlain. Not only that, but Wilt getting opposing players and entire TEAMS in foul trouble. How many easy baskets did his teammates receive because of either lax defense, or because the opposing starter was on the bench?

And Wilt OUTSCORED his opposing centers in nearly every game, as well. For instance in his '65 ECF's against Russell, he not only outshot Russell from the line by a .583 to .472 margin, he OUTSCORED Russell by a 49-17 margin.

And finally, Chamberlain was the king of "and-one's" too. Why is that significant? Because those FTAs were BONUS attempts. He not only made the FG, but he then took a FTA as well.

THAT was Wilt's true IMPACT at the line.
What? What??

Anyways, just answer this question for me: If Wilt made a couple of more FTs in these games, does his team win?

'69 Finals, Game 7: 4-13 FT...(2 point loss)
'68 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-15 FT...(4 point loss)
'65 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-13 FT...(1 point loss)

jlauber

08-01-2012, 01:16 AM

He was a few bricked free throws from winning more rings.

Actually Chamberlain CARRIED inferior supporting casts, who played even worse in the post-season, to within an eye-lash of beating Russell's HOF-laden teams FOUR times. AND, when he finally had an equal supporting cast, that was healthy, and they wiped out Russell's 60-21 Celtic, 4-1 (and only a poor game four, four point loss, prevented a SWEEP), in a series in which Chamberlain just trashed Russell in EVERY facet of the game.

Sure, had he made a few more FTs, he would have won more rings. Had Bird not bricked so many FGAs in his post-season career, or had not Kareem shot so poorly from the field in so many playoff series (and outplayed in several), they too might have won more rings. In fact, Bird had some downright AWFUL shooting games in his post-season career. My god, in arguably his greatest statistical season, 87-88, he had his biggest meltdown in the playoffs (name another all-time great who shot .351 in a post-season series.) And a PRIME Kareem had two straight playoff runs of .437 and .428 shooting (as well as being outplayed by Wilt in '71 and '72; Thurmond in '72; and Moses in '81 and '83.)

BUT, Chamberlain gets ripped for taking a 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss, against a HOF-laden 62-18 Celtic team at it's PEAK...in a series in which he outscored Russell, per game, 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg; outrebounded Russell, per game, 31.4 rpg to 25.2 rpg; outshot Russell from the floor by a .555 to .447 margin; and even outshot Russell from the LINE, by a .583 to .472 margin (outscoring him from the line in the process by a 49-17 margin.)

Deuce Bigalow

08-01-2012, 01:23 AM

Actually Chamberlain CARRIED inferior supporting casts, who played even worse in the post-season, to within an eye-lash of beating Russell's HOF-laden teams FOUR times. AND, when he finally had an equal supporting cast, that was healthy, and they wiped out Russell's 60-21 Celtic, 4-1 (and only a poor game four, four point loss, prevented a SWEEP), in a series in which Chamberlain just trashed Russell in EVERY facet of the game.

Sure, had he made a few more FTs, he would have won more rings. Had Bird not bricked so many FGAs in his post-season career, or had not Kareem shot so poorly from the field in so many playoff series (and outplayed in several), they too might have won more rings. In fact, Bird had some downright AWFUL shooting games in his post-season career. My god, in arguably his greatest statistical season, 87-88, he had his biggest meltdown in the playoffs (name another all-time great who shot .351 in a post-season series.) And a PRIME Kareem had two straight playoff runs of .437 and .428 shooting (as well as being outplayed by Wilt in '71 and '72; Thurmond in '72; and Moses in '81 and '83.)

BUT, Chamberlain gets ripped for taking a 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss, against a HOF-laden 62-18 Celtic team at it's PEAK...in a series in which he outscored Russell, per game, 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg; outrebounded Russell, per game, 31.4 rpg to 25.2 rpg; outshot Russell from the floor by a .555 to .447 margin; and even outshot Russell from the LINE, by a .583 to .472 margin (outscoring him from the line in the process by a 49-17 margin.)
:oldlol:

1968 Divisional Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

1962 Divisional Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

In the '69 Finals, it was Bill Russell's LAST SEASON, while Wilt had a PEAK Jerry West and Elgin Baylor. Wilt's team had HCA and Wilt's teammate, who was better than wilt himself that year averaged 37.9 PPG in the Finals (2nd highest EVER) and had 42-13-12 in Game 7. Wilt still lost :oldlol:

SilkkTheShocker

08-01-2012, 01:25 AM

:oldlol:

In '69 Finals, it was Bill Russell's LAST SEASON, while Wilt had a PEAK Jerry West and Elgin Baylor. Wilt's team had HCA and Wilt's teammate, who was better than wilt himself that year averaged 37.9 PPG in the Finals (2nd highest EVER) and had 42-13-12 in Game 7. Wilt still lost :oldlol:
How the **** does that even happen? Wow

jlauber

08-01-2012, 01:27 AM

What? What??

Anyways, just answer this question for me: If Wilt made a couple of more FTs in these games, does his team win?

'69 Finals, Game 7: 4-13 FT...(2 point loss)
'68 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-15 FT...(4 point loss)
'65 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-13 FT...(1 point loss)

Yep. And if Bird doesn't go 7-19 from the line in the pivotal game four of the '87 Finals, including MISSING the potential game-winning shot at the buzzer, then perhaps Boston goes on to win that series.

Hell, WEST, who scored 42 points in that game seven of the '69 Finals, missed FOUR FTs, including TWO in the 4th quarter. Not to mention baylor shooting 4-14 from the floor in a game three, six point loss (BTW, he AND West combined to shoot 1-14 in that 4th quarter.) Or baylor not only going 2-12 from the field in a game four, one point loss, but also shooting 1-6 from the LINE. Or Baylor shooting 8-22 from the FIELD in that game seven, two point loss, while Chamberlain went 7-8 from the floor.

Kareem taking his 60-22 Bucks down in flames against the 47-35 Warriors in the '73 playoffs, when Thurmond reduced him to a .428 shooter (and the year before Nate outscored and outshot Kareem, while holding him to .405 shooting.) Or Kareem shooting .414 from the field in the last four pivotal games of the '72 WCF's, including 16-36 in the clinching game six, 104-100 loss (and going 2-8 from the floor in the 4th period...while Chamberlain took complete control of the game.) Or Kareem being outplayed by 6-9 Dave Cowens in the game seven of the '74 Finals. Or Kareem being outplayed by Moses in both '81 (and Moses leading his 40-42 Rockets team past Kareem's 54-28 Lakers), and then abttering Kareem in the '83 Finals (in a sweeping loss.)

Hell, I guess you could blame Jordan fopr losing that OT game in the '86 playoffs against Boston, when he scored 63 points. After all, he missed two FTs in that game. Had he MADE them, they would have won the game.

That is just how RIDICULOUS these assertions are. Shaq had many post-season meltdowns from the line (36-93 in the '00 Finals), and Russell had post-seasons that were under .600...and yet, those two combined for 15 rings.

jlauber

08-01-2012, 01:32 AM

How the **** does that even happen? Wow

If you would RESEARCH that series you would know. BAYLOR personally cost LA THREE games, and Chamberlain's COACH cost the Lakers game seven (as well as being horribly outcoached by Russell.)

In that game seven, two point loss, and with Chamberlain on the BENCH in the last five minutes, and with his replacement Mel Counts shooting 4-13 from the field, in a game in which Wilt shot 7-8, Chamberlain's teammates collectively shot .360 from the floor. Instead of blaming Wilt, who outscored Russell, 18-6, outrebounded Russell, 27-21, and outshot Russell from the floor by 7-8 to 2-7 margin, maybe you can now tell me who really blew that series.

jlauber

08-01-2012, 01:38 AM

:oldlol:

In the '69 Finals, it was Bill Russell's LAST SEASON, while Wilt had a PEAK Jerry West and Elgin Baylor. Wilt's team had HCA and Wilt's teammate, who was better than wilt himself that year averaged 37.9 PPG in the Finals (2nd highest EVER) and had 42-13-12 in Game 7. Wilt still lost :oldlol:

That PEAK Baylor was in fact, a SHELL of what he had been in his prime. BTW, he also shot a team WORST .385 in the post-season, and cost his team THREE games in the Finals (shooting 4-14, 2-12, and 8-22 from the field in those three losses, as well as going 1-6 from the LINE in a one point game three loss.)

Even West MISSED FOUR FTS in that game seven (for those that want to blame Wilt's FT shooting.) And in a game three, six point loss, he and Baylor combined to shoot 1-14 from the field in the critical 4th quarter.

Of course, West would choke in game seven of the '70 Finals, when Frazier destroyed him. Then, in the '72 Finals, in a series in which Chamberlain won the FMVP with a 19-23 .600 series, West shot .325. And in his last Finals, in '73, West shot .443, including a 5-17 series clinching loss performance (while Chamberlain, in his LAST game of his career, put up a 23 point, 21 rebound, 9-16 shooting game.)

Deuce Bigalow

08-01-2012, 01:43 AM

That PEAK Baylor was in fact, a SHELL of what he had been in his prime. BTW, he also shot a team WORST .385 in the post-season, and cost his team THREE games in the Finals (shooting 4-14, 2-12, and 8-22 from the field in those three losses, as well as going 1-6 from the LINE in a one point game three loss.)

Even West MISSED FOUR FTS in that game seven (for those that want to blame Wilt's FT shooting.) And in a game three, six point loss, he and Baylor combined to shoot 1-14 from the field in the critical 4th quarter.

Of course, West would choke in game seven of the '70 Finals, when Frazier destroyed him. Then, in the '72 Finals, in a series in which Chamberlain won the FMVP with a 19-23 .600 series, West shot .325. And in his last Finals, in '73, West shot .443, including a 5-17 series clinching loss performance (while Chamberlain, in his LAST game of his career, put up a 23 point, 21 rebound, 9-16 shooting game.)
WHY DO YOU BLAME EVERYBODY BUT WILT?

Ugh..

jlauber

08-01-2012, 01:45 AM

:oldlol:

In the '69 Finals, it was Bill Russell's LAST SEASON, while Wilt had a PEAK Jerry West and Elgin Baylor. Wilt's team had HCA and Wilt's teammate, who was better than wilt himself that year averaged 37.9 PPG in the Finals (2nd highest EVER) and had 42-13-12 in Game 7. Wilt still lost :oldlol:

BTW, where was Russell's SCORING in those games?

Oh, and in the '62 post-season, Chamberlain's teammates collectively shot .354 from the field. Now, you tell me how the hell Chamberlain took that cast of clowns (the core of which was the same LAST PLACE roster that Wlt inherited in '60) to a game seven, two point loss, against a 60-20 Celtic team with SEVEN HOFers? Oh, and all Wilt did was averaged 34-26 and on .468 shooting (he held Russell to .399 shooting BTW), in a post-season NBA that shot .411 (yes, Wilt was once again WAY ahead of the league average.) Included in that post-season were games of 41 and 42 points against Russell (outscoring Russell, 42-9; outrebounding Russell, 37-20; and outshooting Russell, 16-31 to 4-14.)

jlauber

08-01-2012, 01:46 AM

WHY DO YOU BLAME EVERYBODY BUT WILT?

Ugh..

Because, besides West in the '69 Finals, Chamberlain was arguably the best player on the floor in every post-season series in which he played. And he flat crushed his opposing centers in many of them.

Deuce Bigalow

08-01-2012, 01:49 AM

Because, besides West in the '69 Finals, Chamberlain was arguably the best player on the floor in every post-season series in which he played. And he flat crushed his opposing centers in many of them.
Wilt never did anything wrong. Never ever.

jlauber

08-01-2012, 02:30 AM

Wilt never did anything wrong. Never ever.

I challenge you to produce EVERY "must-win" and "series clinching" performance, as well as those of their OPPOSING players, that compares to this...

Ok, here are the known numbers in Wilt's "must-win" playoff games (elimination games), and clinching game performances (either deciding winning or losing games), of BOTH Chamberlain, and his starting opposing centers in those games.

1. Game three of a best-of-three series in the first round of the 59-60 playoffs against Syracuse, a 132-112 win. Wilt with 53 points, on 24-42 shooting, with 22 rebounds. His opposing center, Red Kerr, who was a multiple all-star in his career, had 7 points.

2. Game five of the 59-60 ECF's against Boston, a 128-107 win. Chamberlain had 50 points, on 22-42 shooting, with 35 rebounds. His opposing center, Russell, had 22 points and 27 rebounds.

3. Game six of the 59-60 ECF's against Boston, in a 119-117 loss. Wilt had a 26-24 game, on 8-18 shooting, while Russell had a 25-25 game, and on 11-26 shooting.

4. Game three of a best-of-five series in the first round of the 60-61 playoffs , and against Syracuse, in a 106-103 loss. Chamberlain with 33 points, while his opposing center, the 7-3 Swede Halbrook, scored 6 points.

5. Game five of a best-of-five series in the first round of the 61-62 playoffs, against Syracuse, in a 121-104 win. Chamberlain had 56 points, on 22-48 shooting, with 35 rebounds. Kerr had 20 points in the loss.

6. Game six of the 61-62 ECF's, and against Boston, in a 109-99 win. Wilt with 32 points and 21 rebounds. Russell had 19 points and 22 rebounds in the loss.

7. Game seven of the 61-62 ECF's, against Boston, in a 109-107 loss. Wilt with 22 points, on 7-15 shooting, with 21 rebounds. Russell had 19 points, on 7-14 shooting, with 22 rebounds in the win.

8. Game seven of the 63-64 WCF's, and against St. Louis, in a 105-95 win. Wilt with 39 points, 26 rebounds, and 10 blocks. His opposing center, Zelmo Beaty, who would go on to become a multiple all-star, had 10 points in the loss.

9. Game five of the 63-64 Finals, and against Boston, in a 105-99 loss. Chamberlain with 30 points and 27 rebounds, on 12-28 shooting. Russell had 14 points and 26 points, on 5-11 shooting in the win.

10. Game four of a best-of-five series in the 64-65 first round of the playoffs against Cincinnati, a 119-112 win. Chamberlain with 38 points. His opposing center, multiple all-star (and HOFer) Wayne Embry had 7 points in the loss.

11. Game six of the 64-65 ECF's, against Boston, a 112-106 win. Chamberlain with a 30-26 game, on 13-23 shooting. Russell with a 22-21 game, on 8-19 shooting, in the loss.

12. Game seven of the 64-65 ECF's, and against Boston, a 110-109 loss. Wilt with 30 points, on 12-15 shooting, with 32 rebounds. Russell had 15 points, on 7-16 shooting, with 29 rebounds in the win.

13. Game five of a best-of-seven series, in the 65-66 ECF's, and against Boston, in a 120-112 loss. Wilt had 46 points, on 19-34 shooting, with 34 rebounds. Russell had 18 points and 31 rebounds in the win.

14. Game four of a best-of-five series, in the first round of the 66-67 playoffs, and against Cincinnati, a 112-94 win. Wilt with 18 points, on 7-14 shooting, with 27 rebounds and 9 assists. His opposing center, Connie Dierking, had 8 points, on 4-14 shooting, with 4 rebounds in the loss.

15. Game five of the 66-67 ECF's, and against Boston, in a 140-116 win. Chamberlain with 29 points, on 10-16 shooting, with 36 rebounds, 13 assists, and 7 blocks. Russell had 4 points, on 2-5 shooting, with 21 rebounds, and 7 assists in the loss.

16. Game six of the 66-67 Finals, and against San Francisco, in a 125-122 win. Chamberlain with 24 points, on 8-13 shooting, with 23 rebounds. His oppsoing center, HOFer Nate Thurmond, had 12 points, on 4-13 shooting, with 22 rebounds in the loss.

17. Game six of the first round of the 67-68 playoffs, against NY, in a 113-97 win. Wilt had 25 points, and 27 rebounds. His opposing center, HOFer Walt Bellamy, had 19 points in the loss.

18. Game seven of the 67-68 ECF's, against Boston, in a 100-96 loss. Wilt with 14 points, on 4-9 shooting, with 34 rebounds. Russell had 12 points and 26 rebounds, on 4-6 shooting, in the win.

19. Game six of the first round of the 68-69 playoffs, against San Francisco, in a 118-78 win. Wilt with 11 points on 5/9 FG, 25 rebounds and 1 assist. Thurmond had 8 points in the loss.

20. Game four of the 68-69 WCF's, against Atlanta, in a 133-114 sweeping win. Chamberlain with 16 points on 5/11 FG, 29 rebounds and 10 blocks. His opposing center, Zelmo Beaty had 30 points in the loss.

21. Game seven of the 68-69 Finals, against Boston, in a 108-106 loss. Chamberlain had 18 points, on 7-8 shooting, with 27 rebounds. Russell had 6 points, on 2-7 shooting, with 21 rebounds in the win.

22. Game five of a best-of-seven series (the Lakers were down 3-1 going into the game) in the first round of the 69-70 playoffs, and against Phoenix, a 138-121 win. Wilt with 36 points on 12/20 FG 14 rebounds and 3 assists. His opposing center, Neal Walk, had 18 points in the loss.

23. Game six of the first round of the 69-70 playoffs, against Phoenix, in a 104-93 win. Wilt with 12 points on 4/11 FG, 26 rebounds, 11 assists and 12 blocks (unofficial quad). Jim Fox started that game for Phoenix, and had 13 points in the loss.

24. Game seven of the first round of the 69-70 playoffs, against Phoenix, and in a 129-94 win, which capped a 4-3 series win after falling behind 3-1 in the series. Wilt with 30 points on 11/18 FG, 27 rebounds, 6 assists and 11 blocks. Fox had 7 points in the loss.

25. Game four of the 69-70 WCF's, against Atlanta, in a 133-114 sweeping win. Wilt with 11 points on 5/10 FG, 21 rebounds and 10 blocks. Bellamy had 19 points in the loss.

26. Game six of the 69-70 Finals, against NY, in a 135-113 win. Wilt with 45 points, on 20-27 shooting, with 27 rebounds. Nate Bowman had 18 points, on 9-15 shooting, with 8 rebounds in the loss.

27. Game seven of the 69-70 Finals, against NY, in a 113-99 loss. Wilt with 21 points, on 10-16 shooting, with 24 rebounds. HOFer Willis Reed had 4 points, on 2-5 shooting, with 3 rebounds in the win.

28. Game seven of the first round of the 70-71 playoffs, against Chicago, in a 109-98 win. Wilt with 25 points on 7/12 FG,18 rebounds and 9 assists. 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle had 4 points for the Bulls in the loss.

29. Game five of the 70-71 WCF's, against Milwaukee, in a 116-94 loss. Wilt had 23 points, on 10-21 shooting, with 12 rebounds, 6 blocks (5 of them on Alcindor/Kareem.) Kareem had 20 points, on 7-23 shooting, with 15 rebounds, and 3 blocks in the win. Incidently, Wilt received a standing ovation when he left the game late...and the game was played in Milwaukee.

30. Game four of the 71-72 first round of the playoffs, against Chicago, in a 108-97 sweeping win. Wilt had 8 points on 4/6, 31 rebounds and 8 assists. Clifford Ray had 20 points in the loss.

31. Game six of the 71-72 WCF's, against Milwaukee, in a 104-100 win. Chamberlain with 20 points, on 8-12 shooting, with 24 rebounds, and 9 blocks (six against Kareem.) Kareem had 37 points, on 16-37 shooting, with 25 rebounds in the loss.

32. Game five of the 71-72 Finals, against NY, in a 114-100 win. Chamberlain with 24 points, on 10-14 shooting, with 29 rebounds, and 9 blocks. HOFer Jerry Lucas had 14 points, on 5-14 shooting, with 9 rebounds in the loss.

33. Game seven of the first round of the 72-73 playoffs, against Chicago, in a 95-92 win. Wilt with 21 points on 10/17 FG, 28 rebounds, 4 asissts and 8 blocks. His opposing center, Clifford Ray, had 4 points.

The article about this series sad that Wilt blocked Chicago from playoffs after blocking 49 shots in 7 games.

34. Game five of the 72-73 WCF's, and against Golden St., in a 128-118 win. Wilt with 5 points on 2/2 FG, 22 rebounds, 7 assists. Thurmond had 9 points on 2/9 FG, 18 or 15 rebounds and 5 assists in 32 minutes in the loss.

35. Game five of the 72-73 Finals, against NY, in a 102-93 loss. Wilt with 23 points, on 9-16 shooting, with 21 rebounds. Willis Reed had 18 points, on 9-16 shooting, with 12 rebounds.

That was it. 35 "must-win" elimination and/or clinching post-season games.

Deuce Bigalow

08-01-2012, 03:25 AM

updated with '60s

fpliii

08-01-2012, 03:37 AM

updated with '60s

sweet :cheers: repped

I'll take a look and see what I can do tomorrow, but nice research so far

I'd recommend taking it back to the 54-55 season, before then there wasn't a shot clock, so any stats are completely useless...two possible extensions are first game 5's in 5 game series, and eventually all elimination games (the latter is prolly an insane amount of work, so game 5s and 7s in the shot clock era for stars would be huge)

EDIT: "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Deuce Bigalow again."

seems I'll have to wait on that, anyhow I'm out, peace guys

EDIT 2: jlauber - that's a substantial amount of research, maybe I'll add filling in the holes on that to my docket (complete elimination game records for all star players is prolly too much work, but for top 10 tier guys maybe it's worth a shot), good job

millwad

08-01-2012, 07:59 AM

It's funny, every time Jlauber's confronted with the shortcomings of Wilt he always starts with the "it wasn't Wilt's fault, just look at his teammates.." and when that doesn't work he starts to spam about other all-time greats who failed in the same manner like that justifies anything..

riseagainst

08-01-2012, 09:44 AM

33 shots to get 37 points isn't a bowdown performance.

I don't understand this argument. 33 shots while shooting at 50 percent (considered by 99.9 percent of people to be good efficiency), assuming all 2 point shots, is 33 points. So getting 37 points with 33 shots is efficient.... isn't it?

Deuce Bigalow

08-07-2012, 04:25 PM

1984 Finals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 20 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-0 3 PT, 8-8 FT (W)

-5th leading scorer in the game
-3rd leading rebounder in the game

2010 Finals - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 23 pts, 15 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-24 FG, 0-6 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)

-leading scorer in the game
-2nd leading rebounder in the game

Both shot 6-18 from inside the 3pt line. Both of their teams won the game. Both won Finals MVP.

Very similar performances even though the game were much different. 2010 was a defensive struggle (score: 83-79), while 1984 was a fast paced run and gun game (score: 111-102).

riseagainst

08-07-2012, 04:29 PM

1984 Finals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 20 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-0 3 PT, 8-8 FT (W)

-5th leading scorer in the game
-3rd leading rebounder in the game

2010 Finals - Game 7
Kobe Bryant: 23 pts, 15 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-24 FG, 0-6 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)

-leading scorer in the game
-2nd leading rebounder in the game

Both shot 6-18 from inside the 3pt line. Both of their teams won the game. Both won Finals MVP.

Very similar performances even though the game were much different. 2010 was a defensive struggle, while 1984 was a fast paced run and gun game.

people give Kobe way too much crap.

Rubio2Gasol

08-07-2012, 04:36 PM

Everyones percentages drop in game 7 to be fair.

But hold on just a minute I need to find something.

che guevara

08-07-2012, 05:31 PM

people give Kobe way too much crap.
Modern players get way too much crap, Lebron/Kobe are both microanalysed to a ridiculous extent that most greats never had to deal with (though somehow Durant's managed to avoid a lot of that so far). Had Bird/Magic played in today's era, we would never stop hearing about some of their stinkers (such as Bird's 1984 game 7, Magic's 1981 game 3 vs. the Rockets and 1984 Tragic Johnson) just like we'll never stop hearing about Kobe's game 7s in 2006 and 2010, and Lebron's 2011 Finals. These guys have all had duds in huge games before.

jlauber

08-07-2012, 06:11 PM

Everyones percentages drop in game 7 to be fair.

But hold on just a minute I need to find something.

Chamberlain "the Choker" shot .626 from the field in his nine game sevens.

1962 ECF's 7-15
1964 WCF's 19-29
1965 ECF's 12-15
1968 ECF's 4-9
1969 Finals 7-8
1970 1st round 11-18
1970 Finals 10-16
1971 1st Round 7-12
1973 1st Round 10-17

87-139 .626

Which is the highest game seven career FG% by any of the "all-time" greats.

Incidently, Chamberlain played in two game seven's in the Finals, and collectively shot 17-24 or .708 in those two game seven's (while grabbing 51 rebounds... 25.5 rpg.)

How about Kareem in his two game seven's of the Finals? 12-28 or .429
Hakeem? 10-25 or .400
Bird? 6-18 or .333
Kobe? 6-24 or .250
Duncan? 10-27 .370

oolalaa

08-07-2012, 06:46 PM

fpliii

08-07-2012, 06:55 PM

jlauber

08-07-2012, 07:05 PM

jlauber - check your PMs

I responded.

Deuce Bigalow

08-07-2012, 09:00 PM

Chamberlain "the Choker" shot .626 from the field in his nine game sevens.

1962 ECF's 7-15
1964 WCF's 19-29
1965 ECF's 12-15
1968 ECF's 4-9
1969 Finals 7-8
1970 1st round 11-18
1970 Finals 10-16
1971 1st Round 7-12
1973 1st Round 10-17

87-139 .626

Which is the highest game seven career FG% by any of the "all-time" greats.

Incidently, Chamberlain played in two game seven's in the Finals, and collectively shot 17-24 or .708 in those two game seven's (while grabbing 51 rebounds... 25.5 rpg.)

How about Kareem in his two game seven's of the Finals? 12-28 or .429
Hakeem? 10-25 or .400
Bird? 6-18 or .333
Kobe? 6-24 or .250
Duncan? 10-27 .370
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Wilt in Game 7s
'70 Finals, Game 7: 1-11
'69 Finals, Game 7: 4-13 ...(2 point loss)
'68 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-15 ...(4 point loss)
'65 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-13 ...(1 point loss)
'64 Div Semifinals, Game 7: 1-6
'62 Divisional Finals, Game 7: 8-9

Total: 26-67, 38.8%

Wilt in the Finals
124-326, 38.0%

1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In the Game 5, Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In game 7, Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in game 2. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Divisional Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Divisional Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-68 (41.2%)

1965 Divisional Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1962 Divisional Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

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jlauber

08-07-2012, 10:52 PM

...................................

Next

Let's take a look at your boy Kobe then, shall we, in his biggest games at the end of his seasons...

Last game of his '98 season. His team loses in a sweeping loss, 96-92, in a game in which he scores SIX points. Geez, he couldn't even score a paltry five more points?

Last game of the '99 season. His Lakers are again SWEPT, losing game four 118-107, in a game in which he shoots 6-16, and scores 16 points. Had he hit just five more shots, well, they would have then lost in game five with another horrible shooting game by Kobe.

Last game of the '03 season. Wait, in the game before, a 96-94 loss, Kobe misses SIXTEEN shots from the field, and even goes 1-2 from the line. However, he saved the best for the last game of that series. In a 110-82 loss (which would be one of SEVERAL huge blowout losses in clinching games), Kobe goes 9-19 from the field.

Last game of the '04 season. His heavily favored Lakers fall behind 82-59 at the end of the third quarter, en route to a 100-87 loss, in a game in which Kobe shot 7-21 from the field, and an awful .387 for the SERIES.

Didn't make the playoffs in '05, playing for a 34-48 team.

Last game of the '06 season. In a season in which Kobe averaged 35.4 ppg, he scores 24 points in the clinching game seven crushing loss, 121-90. Not only that, but he leads his team down the drain after taking a 3-1 series lead in that series.

Last game of the '07 season. In the clinching game five loss, Kobe goes 13-33, in a 9 point loss.

Last game of the '08 season. Well, let's begin with a classic loss in game four. Kobe shoots 6-19, in a game in which the Lakers lose by six points, after blowing a 24 point third period lead. He tops that performance in the clinching game six, 131-92 loss, he shoots 7-22 from the floor.

Last game in the '11 season. His FAVORED Lakers are SWEPT, in a humilating fashion, losing in yet ANOTHER clinching game blowout loss, 122-86. Kobe once again goes quietly like a lamb to slaughter with a 7-18 performance.

Last game of the '12 season. Kobe FINALLY has a "Wilt-like" game, scoring 42 points, on 18-33 shooting, but alas, and much like Chamberlain had to deal with nearly his entire post-season career, Kobe's teammates completely crumble, and the Lakers are pounded in yet another series clinching loss, 116-90, in a five game series.

Deuce Bigalow

08-07-2012, 11:53 PM

Let's take a look at your boy Kobe then, shall we, in his biggest games at the end of his seasons...

Last game of his '98 season. His team loses in a sweeping loss, 96-92, in a game in which he scores SIX points. Geez, he couldn't even score a paltry five more points?

19 years old and was not a starter yet

Last game of the '99 season. His Lakers are again SWEPT, losing game four 118-107, in a game in which he shoots 6-16, and scores 16 points. Had he hit just five more shots, well, they would have then lost in game five with another horrible shooting game by Kobe.
Bad game from him

Last game of the '03 season. Wait, in the game before, a 96-94 loss, Kobe misses SIXTEEN shots from the field, and even goes 1-2 from the line. However, he saved the best for the last game of that series. In a 110-82 loss (which would be one of SEVERAL huge blowout losses in clinching games), Kobe goes 9-19 from the field.
He just helped the Lakers win back to back to back Championships. More championships than Wilt won in his entire career already at age 23.
Go back and watch that Game 5, he led the comeback by dominating the 4th quarter and on the last possession passed it to a open Horry who missed the potential GW. Great 4th Quarter and the right play at the end. Not choking.

Last game of the '04 season. His heavily favored Lakers fall behind 82-59 at the end of the third quarter, en route to a 100-87 loss, in a game in which Kobe shot 7-21 from the field, and an awful .387 for the SERIES.
Yes it is known he was horrible that series.

Didn't make the playoffs in '05, playing for a 34-48 team.
Wasn't his fault

Last game of the '06 season. In a season in which Kobe averaged 35.4 ppg, he scores 24 points in the clinching game seven crushing loss, 121-90. Not only that, but he leads his team down the drain after taking a 3-1 series lead in that series.
Had 21 points at halftime, yet team was down by 15. His team just wasn't good enough, don't even want to list that roster.

Last game of the '07 season. In the clinching game five loss, Kobe goes 13-33, in a 9 point loss.
The only game they won in that series is when he dropped 45 points. Phoenix was clearly better than the 7th seeded Lakers. And maybe if it were not for the suspensions, The Suns win it all that year.

Last game of the '08 season. Well, let's begin with a classic loss in game four. Kobe shoots 6-19, in a game in which the Lakers lose by six points, after blowing a 24 point third period lead. One of the rare Kobe chokes in his career.

He tops that performance in the clinching game six, 131-92 loss, he shoots 7-22 from the floor.
Game wasn't even close from the start, stats don't even matter in that game.

Last game in the '11 season. His FAVORED Lakers are SWEPT, in a humilating fashion, losing in yet ANOTHER clinching game blowout loss, 122-86. Kobe once again goes quietly like a lamb to slaughter with a 7-18 performance.
Go back and watch that game, I remember that well. I believe that Kobe had more made FGs than the rest of his team combined at hafltime, his team was down by atleast 18. Did I forget to mention that he just led his team to back to back championships, you know as much as Wilt did his entire career.

Last game of the '12 season. Kobe FINALLY has a "Wilt-like" game, scoring 42 points, on 18-33 shooting, but alas, and much like Chamberlain had to deal with nearly his entire post-season career, Kobe's teammates completely crumble, and the Lakers are pounded in yet another series clinching loss, 116-90, in a five game series.
Wilt did not perform like that in Game 7s. Don't kid yourself. 9+ missed freethrows in a 1-2 point loss or scoring less than half your regular season PPG average is more like Wilt-like.

jlauber

08-08-2012, 09:04 AM

19 years old and was not a starter yet

Bad game from him

He just helped the Lakers win back to back to back Championships. More championships than Wilt won in his entire career already at age 23.
Go back and watch that Game 5, he led the comeback by dominating the 4th quarter and on the last possession passed it to a open Horry who missed the potential GW. Great 4th Quarter and the right play at the end. Not choking.

Yes it is known he was horrible that series.

Wasn't his fault

Had 21 points at halftime, yet team was down by 15. His team just wasn't good enough, don't even want to list that roster.

The only game they won in that series is when he dropped 45 points. Phoenix was clearly better than the 7th seeded Lakers. And maybe if it were not for the suspensions, The Suns win it all that year.
One of the rare Kobe chokes in his career.

Game wasn't even close from the start, stats don't even matter in that game.

Go back and watch that game, I remember that well. I believe that Kobe had more made FGs than the rest of his team combined at hafltime, his team was down by atleast 18. Did I forget to mention that he just led his team to back to back championships, you know as much as Wilt did his entire career.

Wilt did not perform like that in Game 7s. Don't kid yourself. 9+ missed freethrows in a 1-2 point loss or scoring less than half your regular season PPG average is more like Wilt-like.

Excuse-after-excuse. But NEVER any for Wilt, though, right?

Chamberlain takes crappy rosters and/or good rosters that play crappy in the post-season, to 12 Conference Finals, and to six Finals, and plays brilliantly in nearly all of them, and his team's lose four game seven's by a total of nine points.

As proven above, Kobe plays like sh!t in the vast majority of his last playoff games, and most all of which are blowout losses.

And even in his game seven wins he shot like a blindman in a wind-tunnel. In Game seven of the 2000 WCF's, he shot 9-19. In game seven of the 2002 WCF's, he shot 10-26. And we all know he shot 6-24 in game seven of the 2010 Finals.

As for Wilt. No game seven's of 40+, but a game five, in a best-of-five series, of 56 points and 35 rebounds. And a game three, in a best-of-three series, of 53 points and 22 rebounds. He also had a "must-win" game six in the 60 ECF's of 50 points and 35 rebounds(against Russell, no less); a game seven in the '65 ECF's of 30 points, 32 rebounds, and on 12-15 shooting; a "must-win" game five in the '66 ECF's (against Russell) of 46 points and 34 rebounds. And a "must-win" game six of the '70 Finals (and on one leg), of 45 points, on 20-27 shooting, with 27 rebounds.

KevinNYC

08-08-2012, 01:29 PM

I'm slowly adding them all, don't worry. :cheers:

I now see you are all doing ALL game 7 performances, not just great game 7 performances. I misunderstood what you were asking for.

That's why I was wondering about this one.

Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
1992 Eastern Conference Semifinals - Game 7
Larry Bird: 12 pts, 5 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)

Deuce Bigalow

08-08-2012, 02:26 PM

Excuse-after-excuse. But NEVER any for Wilt, though, right?

Chamberlain takes crappy rosters and/or good rosters that play crappy in the post-season, to 12 Conference Finals, and to six Finals, and plays brilliantly in nearly all of them, and his team's lose four game seven's by a total of nine points.

As proven above, Kobe plays like sh!t in the vast majority of his last playoff games, and most all of which are blowout losses.

And even in his game seven wins he shot like a blindman in a wind-tunnel. In Game seven of the 2000 WCF's, he shot 9-19. In game seven of the 2002 WCF's, he shot 10-26. And we all know he shot 6-24 in game seven of the 2010 Finals.

As for Wilt. No game seven's of 40+, but a game five, in a best-of-five series, of 56 points and 35 rebounds. And a game three, in a best-of-three series, of 53 points and 22 rebounds. He also had a "must-win" game six in the 60 ECF's of 50 points and 35 rebounds(against Russell, no less); a game seven in the '65 ECF's of 30 points, 32 rebounds, and on 12-15 shooting; a "must-win" game five in the '66 ECF's (against Russell) of 46 points and 34 rebounds. And a "must-win" game six of the '70 Finals (and on one leg), of 45 points, on 20-27 shooting, with 27 rebounds.
9-19 FG is shit? WTF? You do know that Kobe is a shooting guard that takes mostly perimeter shots?

Kobe scored or assisted on the Lakers last 8 points, getting the win while putting up 25-11-7-4 blk, leading his team in all 4 of those categories

In 2002 WCF Game 7 Kobe may have shot 10-26 but he still had 30-10-7 with 0 turnovers

In 2010 Finals Game 7 Kobe still had the most points in the game and 15 rebounds, while scoring 10 points in the 4th quarter (most in the game)

And I did not list excuses. How can you blame a loss on a bench player (19 yr old Kobe in '98)?

Why are you so clueless about basketball?

Anyways I stand by on what I believe, that if Wilt doesn't miss 9+ FTs in some of those 1-2 pt losses, he would have won more.

oolalaa

08-08-2012, 02:51 PM

9-19 FG is shit? WTF? You do know that Kobe is a shooting guard that takes mostly perimeter shots?

Kobe scored or assisted on the Lakers last 8 points, getting the win while putting up 25-11-7-4 blk, leading his team in all 4 of those categories

In 2002 WCF Game 7 Kobe may have shot 10-26 but he still had 30-10-7 with 0 turnovers

In 2010 Finals Game 7 Kobe still had the most points in the game and 15 rebounds, while scoring 10 points in the 4th quarter (most in the game)

And I did not list excuses. How can you blame a loss on a bench player (19 yr old Kobe in '98)?

Why are you so clueless about basketball?

Anyways I stand by on what I believe, that if Wilt doesn't miss 9+ FTs in some of those 1-2 pt losses, he would have won more.

Do you rank Kobe higher than Wilt??

Deuce Bigalow

08-08-2012, 02:53 PM

Do you rank Kobe higher than Wilt??
Yes. Kobe has had the better career imo

Hands of Iron

08-08-2012, 03:02 PM

oolalaa

08-08-2012, 03:26 PM

Yes. Kobe has had the better career imo

Not sure how you worked that one out. Kobe has a lot less MVPs, the same number of Finals MVPs and around the same number of All-NBA teams. Their team success was pretty similar, but Wilt did anchor what some people call the greatest team of all time.

In terms of sheer IMPACT and DOMINATION on a game, Kobe pales in comparison. Wilt was arguably the best rebounder in history, his defensive value was LIGHT YEARS ahead of Kobe's, his facilitating/passing in his prime ('64 - '68) was as good, if not better, than anything Kobe has offered up. In terms of scoring, it's a little confusing. Wilt definitely COULD have been a better scorer than Kobe but his obsession with playing just like Russell (From '67 onwards) cost him several high scoring seasons. Still, Wilt's all round impact trumps Kobe's extra points.

Also, I've always thought that Kobe is the most OVERRATED 'clutch' performer in NBA history, so if Kobe's 'clutchness' and Wilt's 'unclutchness' is the reason for your rankings then I think you sorely mistaken.

Yes, Wilt's '68-'70 stretch did bring him back to the pack, in my opinion. That was his chance to seal his status as the greatest player of all time, to become even better than Russell. He had SEVERAL chances to win at least 2 rings, but came up short in BIG situations.

But Kobe has STINK BOMBED several times, too (Most notably the '04 & '08 Finals). His 4th quarter shooting in the '09 and '10 Finals was really poor, as well.

Deuce Bigalow

08-08-2012, 03:36 PM

Not sure how you worked that one out. Kobe has a lot less MVPs, the same number of Finals MVPs and around the same number of All-NBA teams.

In terms of sheer IMPACT and DOMINATION on a game, Kobe pales in comparison. Wilt was arguably the best rebounder in history, his defensive value was LIGHT YEARS ahead of Kobe's, his facilitating/passing in his prime ('64 - '68) was as good, if not better, than anything Kobe has offered up. In terms of scoring, it's a little confusing. Wilt definitely COULD have been a better scorer than Kobe but his obsession with playing just like Russell (From '67 onwards) cost him several high scoring seasons. Still, Wilt's all round impact trumps Kobe's extra points.

Also, I've always thought that Kobe is the most OVERRATED 'clutch' performer in NBA history, so if Kobe's 'clutchness' and Wilt's 'unclutchness' is the reason for your rankings then I think you sorely mistaken.

Yes, Wilt's '68-'70 stretch did bring him back to the pack, in my opinion. That was his chance to seal his status as the greatest player of all time, to become even better than Russell. He had SEVERAL chances to win at least 2 rings, but came up short in BIG situations.

But Kobe has STINK BOMBED several times, too (Most notably the '04 & '08 Finals). His 4th quarter shooting in the '09 and '10 Finals was really poor, as well.
Championships: Kobe 5, Wilt 2
All-NBA Teams: Kobe 14, Wilt 10
All-NBA First Teams: Kobe 10, Wilt 7
All-Star Teams: Kobe 14, Wilt 13

Kobe surpassed WIlt a long time ago on the All-Time Playoff scoring list, and next season will pass him on the All-Time Regular Season scoring list.

No you cannot say Wilt had more impact and domination because he played in a much weaker era. Their eras are not comparable.

Kobe in the '09 and '10 Finals was still the best player and had Pau as his #2, Wilt had Jerry West who was arguably better than him and still lost in '69 and '70, one of those with HCA ('69)

Kobe record in the Finals: 5-2
Wilt's record in the Finals: 2-4 (worst in top 10)

Kobe's record with HCA: 27-2
Wilt's record with HCA: 13-5 (worst in top 10)

oolalaa

08-08-2012, 03:59 PM

No you cannot say Wilt had more impact and domination because he played in a much weaker era. Their eras are not comparable.

:facepalm :banghead:

Wilt had Jerry West who was arguably better than him and still lost in '69 and '70, one of those with HCA ('69)

There is nothing arguable about it. Jerry West was UNDENIABLY the Lakers best player in '69 & '70 (As well as the best player in the league). 1969 is UNFORGIVABLE for Wilt. It was his worst ever post season, but, it was still better than Kobe's ABOMINABALLY PATHETIC '04 playoffs.

Kobe record in the Finals: 5-2
Wilt's record in the Finals: 2-4 (worst in top 10)

Kobe's record with HCA: 27-2
Wilt's record with HCA: 13-5 (worst in top 10)

Between 1960 and 1973 (i.e Wilt's WHOLE career), Wilt only lost twice to teams other than the Boston Celtics (The greatest dynasty in NBA history) and the early 70s Knicks (One of the greatest dynasty's of all time). Twice in 29 playoff series!! What if Kobe had to play against the '08 Celtics and the '11/'12 Heat in the Playoffs/Finals every single year? How many rings would he have? EVERYONE got screwed over in that era.

Deuce Bigalow

08-08-2012, 04:00 PM

:facepalm :banghead:

Check the tape.

Deuce Bigalow

08-08-2012, 05:18 PM

Between 1960 and 1973 (i.e Wilt's WHOLE career), Wilt only lost twice to teams other than the Boston Celtics (The greatest dynasty in NBA history) and the early 70s Knicks (One of the greatest dynasty's of all time). Twice in 29 playoff series!! What if Kobe had to play against the '08 Celtics and the '11/'12 Heat in the Playoffs/Finals every single year? How many rings would he have? EVERYONE got screwed over in that era.
Its a great thing that he took those teams to a Game 7. But lets not act like the Celtics were that great in '69. That was Russell's LAST season, they didn't even win 50 games in the regular season, and they did not have HCA, the Lakers did. Here are his FT-FTA in these CLOSE Game 7s:

Wilt in Game 7s
'70 Finals, Game 7: 1-11
'69 Finals, Game 7: 4-13 ...(2 point loss) (HCA)
'68 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-15 ...(4 point loss)
'65 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-13 ...(1 point loss)
'64 Div Semifinals, Game 7: 1-6
'62 Divisional Finals, Game 7: 8-9

Total: 26-67, 38.8%

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in game 2. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)

1968 Divisional Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

1966 Divisional Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1962 Divisional Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss. (50.4 ppg regular season that year)

jlauber

08-09-2012, 12:47 AM

Because to him it's ALL about statistics down to absolute pin-point percentages and without a morsel of context. He's one of the most ridiculous posters or fans I've ever seen, and seems to hold an extreme agenda against Bird, Kareem and Olajuwon -- and basically anybody being compared to Wilt Chamberlain.

I have all three of those guys in my top-11. But, from what I have read here, all three are over-rated, particularly Bird and Hakeem. Bird had many flop jobs in his post-season career, lost SEVEN times with HCA, and "only" won three rings playing alongside HOF-laden rosters his entire career. And Hakeem won two rings (one in a season in which MJ did not play), seldom even won 50 games (with a high of 58), and was part of EIGHT first round exits in his 15 post-seasons. Not only that, he won ONE MVP (again, in a season in which MJ took off), came in second, ONE time, and was a top-4 player in FOUR of his 18 seasons. Hell, he wasn't even a top-TEN player in EIGHT of his seasons, or nearly half the time he played.

Kareem? Probably as many post-season gag jobs as Bird, and in his PRIME, in his first TEN seasons, he went to TWO Finals (choking in a game seven of one...in a blowout loss), and winning his ONLY ring in the weakest decade of champions in NBA history with the easiest run to a title in NBA history. He played with teams that won 53 games (best in the league), 56 games, 59 games, 60 games, and 63 games...that did NOT win a title. And he played with rosters for two straight seasons that had the likes of Nixon, Wilkes, Hudson, and Dantley...that were blown away in the post-season.

Had Magic not come along and basically salvaged his career, Kareem would have been considered one of the biggest "underachievers" in NBA history.

Mike Barrett

08-09-2012, 12:49 AM

Rasheed Wallace and his 30 points against the Lakers.

jlauber

08-09-2012, 12:54 AM

Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss. (50.4 ppg regular season that year)

Where was Russell's position in that game seven? Or Kareem in game seven of the '74 Finals? Or game seven of the '88 Finals? Or Bird in game seven of the '84 Finals (BTW, he was FIFTH?)

As for "drop-off" Kobe scored 24 points in a game seven, 121-90 loss against Phoenix, in a season in which he averaged 35.4 ppg. Or how about Kobe shooting .387 in a Finals?

In fact, has there ever been an "alltime" great who was ROUTED so OFTEN in his post-season career, and in games in which he was simply AWFUL, as Kobe?

fpliii

08-09-2012, 01:00 AM

Where was Russell's position in that game seven? Or Kareem in game seven of the '74 Finals? Or game seven of the '88 Finals? Or Bird in game seven of the '84 Finals (BTW, he was FIFTH?)

As for "drop-off" Kobe scored 24 points in a game seven, 121-90 loss against Phoenix, in a season in which he averaged 35.4 ppg. Or how about Kobe shooting .387 in a Finals?

In fact, has there ever been an "alltime" great who was ROUTED so OFTEN in his post-season career, and in games in which he was simply AWFUL, as Kobe?

jlauber - Did you ever have a chance to check if you have Sam Jones info? I want to do it, but I have to find 1968 ABA box scores to finish off a current project?

jlauber

08-09-2012, 01:05 AM

jlauber - Did you ever have a chance to check if you have Sam Jones info? I want to do it, but I have to find 1968 ABA box scores to finish off a current project?

To be honest, I thought you already came up with something like 25 playoff game winning shots. From what I recall, he had something like EIGHT in his Finals.

And I agree with you, he may have been the greatest "clutch" player in post-season history.

Very under-rated for sure.

Freedom Kid7

08-09-2012, 01:08 AM

To be honest, I thought you already came up with something like 25 playoff game winning shots. From what I recall, he had something like EIGHT in his Finals.

And I agree with you, he may have been the greatest "clutch" player in post-season history.

Very under-rated for sure.
Jlaubber, I may not agree with you on a lot of stuff, but I can agree with you on that. He was probably the guy who most feared when the buzzer was ticking. Lakers fans and non-Celtic fans probably all went "OH GOD NO NOT THIS GUY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! SAMUEL ****ING JONES MAN!"

jlauber

08-09-2012, 01:12 AM

Jlaubber, I may not agree with you on a lot of stuff, but I can agree with you on that. He was probably the guy who most feared when the buzzer was ticking. Lakers fans and non-Celtic fans probably all went "OH GOD NO NOT THIS GUY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! SAMUEL ****ING JONES MAN!"

Aside from a handful of posters, who either actually watched him play, or researched his career (as you have done), there is very little mention of Sam Jones in any all-time "great" discussions.

I was a huge fan of Hal Greer, and he was certainly one of the best guards to have ever played the game, but he was the "anti-Jones" in the post-season. A plethora of flop jobs. And unfortunately for Wilt, too. While Greer was routinely blowing chunks in his biggest games, Jones was routinely playing brilliantly.

As great as Russell was, how many rings would he have lost had he not had Sam Jones taking the "clutch" shots?

fpliii

08-09-2012, 01:12 AM

To be honest, I thought you already came up with something like 25 playoff game winning shots. From what I recall, he had something like EIGHT in his Finals.

And I agree with you, he may have been the greatest "clutch" player in post-season history.

Very under-rated for sure.

25 was a rough estimate from doing earlier research, I don't have a more precise total

I'll need to get to it by the end of the week...it shouldn't take that long, since unlike finding complete box scores, you don't need specific articles (AP reports should suffice)

jlauber

08-09-2012, 01:14 AM

25 was a rough estimate from doing earlier research, I don't have a more precise total

I'll need to get to it by the end of the week...it shouldn't take that long, since unlike finding complete box scores, you don't need specific articles (AP reports should suffice)

You have been a great addition to this forum.

:bowdown:

Freedom Kid7

08-09-2012, 01:20 AM

Aside from a handful of posters, who either actually watched him play, or researched his career (as you have done), there is very little mention of Sam Jones in any all-time "great" discussions.

I was a huge fan of Hal Greer, and he was certainly one of the best guards to have ever played the game, but he was the "anti-Jones" in the post-season. A plethora of flop jobs. And unfortunately for Wilt, too. While Greer was routinely blowing chunks in his biggest games, Jones was routinely playing brilliantly.

As great as Russell was, how many rings would he have lost had he not had Sam Jones taking the "clutch" shots?
I feel that Russell was a big part of why Sam and K.C. were good players. He helped the team flourish and become better players. He complemented their play styles and allowed for Sam to get excellent shots, etc. Of course, Sam was still a great player nonetheless and bailed the Celtics a couple of times.

To me, when I think of an ultimate competitor, I don't think of MJ. I think of Russell. He did exactly what he had to do to win. He didn't have to score like Wilt 'cuz he had the Jones and he set the defense up for them so they could get good shots. He passed well so his teammates could get good shots. Hell, he even scored if it was deemed necessary (the 30 point and 40 rebound game). I feel his attitude of 'we should win this' was intense enough it rubbed off his teammates to the point where they all believed that, but they knew how to execute.

I do think Greer is under appreciated and I think he was a good team mate and all. Unfortunatly, I think Havlicek stealing the ball and his screw ups are more remembered than his skillset and overall playing quality, which was high.

fpliii

08-09-2012, 01:26 AM

You have been a great addition to this forum.

:bowdown:

:cheers:

jlauber

08-09-2012, 01:30 AM

I feel that Russell was a big part of why Sam and K.C. were good players. He helped the team flourish and become better players. He complemented their play styles and allowed for Sam to get excellent shots, etc. Of course, Sam was still a great player nonetheless and bailed the Celtics a couple of times.

To me, when I think of an ultimate competitor, I don't think of MJ. I think of Russell. He did exactly what he had to do to win. He didn't have to score like Wilt 'cuz he had the Jones and he set the defense up for them so they could get good shots. He passed well so his teammates could get good shots. Hell, he even scored if it was deemed necessary (the 30 point and 40 rebound game). I feel his attitude of 'we should win this' was intense enough it rubbed off his teammates to the point where they all believed that, but they knew how to execute.

I do think Greer is under appreciated and I think he was a good team mate and all. Unfortunatly, I think Havlicek stealing the ball and his screw ups are more remembered than his skillset and overall playing quality, which was high.

Russell was certainly the reason why players like KC Jones, Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey, and Bailey Howell are in the HOF. (KC Jones, while a very good defender, was never even an All-Star.)

Still, players like Heinsohn, Cousy, Sharman, Havlicek, and Jones were all GREAT players. Take a look at Havlicek's career, post-Russell. He was putting up 28 and 29 ppg seasons, and won two more rings. He even played on the greatest regular season Celtic team of all-time, in 72-73, that went 68-14. And I suspect that Jones would have been among the elite scorers in the league on any other team other than Boston. As it was, he had seasons as high as 26 ppg, and post-seasons as high as 29 ppg.

As a sidenote,

He didn't have to score like Wilt 'cuz he had the Jones and he set the defense up for them so they could get good shots.

The fact was, Russell COULDN'T score like Wilt, and in fact, seldom even scored 20 points in a game against him. I will admit that his teammates almost always played better in the post-season, while Chamberlain's played worse, but it would be pure folly to say that he COULD have scored like Chamberlain.

I always use this as an example...

In the clinching game five loss of the '66 ECF's, Chamberlain hung a 46 point, 19-34 shooting, 34 rebound game on Russell.

The very next season, their roles were reversed. It was now Russell who was down 3-1, and facing elimination. How did Russell respond in that clinching game five defeat? FOUR points, on 2-5 shooting (while Chamberlain hammered him for 29 points, on 10-16 shooting, with 13 assists, and 36 rebounds.)

Not only that, but it was seldom Russell vs. Wilt, either. It was usually BOSTON vs. Wilt.

Freedom Kid7

08-09-2012, 01:42 AM

Russell was certainly the reason why players like KC Jones, Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey, and Bailey Howell are in the HOF. (KC Jones, while a very good defender, was never even an All-Star.)

Still, players like Heinsohn, Cousy, Sharman, Havlicek, and Jones were all GREAT players. Take a look at Havlicek's career, post-Russell. He was putting up 28 and 29 ppg seasons, and won two more rings. He even played on the greatest regular season Celtic team of all-time, in 72-73, that went 68-14. And I suspect that Jones would have been among the elite scorers in the league on any other team other than Boston. As it was, he had seasons as high as 26 ppg, and post-seasons as high as 29 ppg.

Oh definitely they were all great players without a doubt, but I feel Russell influenced the attitudes they had. I mean, the 1974 Finals draws up a good example. Milwaukee should have beat the Celtics fairly easy. Peak Kareem, Oscar was still good, and great role players. Instead of deferring, Havlicek played and did whatever he had to until the end (Cowens did too, but another topic another day).

I guess what I'm trying to say is they are great players, but they wouldn't have been as good without Russell.

As a sidenote,

The fact was, Russell COULDN'T score like Wilt, and in fact, seldom even scored 20 points in a game against him. I will admit that his teammates almost always played better in the post-season, while Chamberlain's played worse, but it would be pure folly to say that he COULD have scored like Chamberlain.

I always use this as an example...

In the clinching game five loss of the '66 ECF's, Chamberlain hung a 46 point, 19-34 shooting, 34 rebound game on Russell.

The very next season, their roles were reversed. It was now Russell who was down 3-1, and facing elimination. How did Russell respond in that clinching game five defeat? FOUR points, on 2-5 shooting (while Chamberlain hammered him for 29 points, on 10-16 shooting, with 13 assists, and 36 rebounds.)

Not only that, but it was seldom Russell vs. Wilt, either. It was usually BOSTON vs. Wilt.
Wilt was taller than 7 ft. Russell was 6 ft 9. Of Course Russell couldn't score like Chamberlain. How many rebounds did Russell get in the loss in '67? I feel that season was different because Red Aurebach was gone and Russell had to be a coach as well, so it would be difficult to adjust to that.

Also, why do you detest Hakeem and Bird so damn much? I do get why you don't like KAJ (I think)

jlauber

08-09-2012, 02:14 AM

Oh definitely they were all great players without a doubt, but I feel Russell influenced the attitudes they had. I mean, the 1974 Finals draws up a good example. Milwaukee should have beat the Celtics fairly easy. Peak Kareem, Oscar was still good, and great role players. Instead of deferring, Havlicek played and did whatever he had to until the end (Cowens did too, but another topic another day).

I guess what I'm trying to say is they are great players, but they wouldn't have been as good without Russell.

As a sidenote,

Wilt was taller than 7 ft. Russell was 6 ft 9. Of Course Russell couldn't score like Chamberlain. How many rebounds did Russell get in the loss in '67? I feel that season was different because Red Aurebach was gone and Russell had to be a coach as well, so it would be difficult to adjust to that.

Also, why do you detest Hakeem and Bird so damn much? I do get why you don't like KAJ (I think)

I answered that earlier, but here it is again...

I have all three of those guys in my top-11. But, from what I have read here, all three are over-rated, particularly Bird and Hakeem. Bird had many flop jobs in his post-season career, lost SEVEN times with HCA, and "only" won three rings playing alongside HOF-laden rosters his entire career. And Hakeem won two rings (one in a season in which MJ did not play), seldom even won 50 games (with a high of 58), and was part of EIGHT first round exits in his 15 post-seasons. Not only that, he won ONE MVP (again, in a season in which MJ took off), came in second, ONE time, and was a top-4 player in FOUR of his 18 seasons. Hell, he wasn't even a top-TEN player in EIGHT of his seasons, or nearly half the time he played.

Kareem? Probably as many post-season gag jobs as Bird, and in his PRIME, in his first TEN seasons, he went to TWO Finals (choking in a game seven of one...in a blowout loss), and winning his ONLY ring in the weakest decade of champions in NBA history with the easiest run to a title in NBA history. He played with teams that won 53 games (best in the league), 56 games, 59 games, 60 games, and 63 games...that did NOT win a title. And he played with rosters for two straight seasons that had the likes of Nixon, Wilkes, Hudson, and Dantley...that were blown away in the post-season.

Had Magic not come along and basically salvaged his career, Kareem would have been considered one of the biggest "underachievers" in NBA history.

BTW, I have Kareem at #5, and Bird and Hakeem anywhere between 8th to 11th.

Hands of Iron

08-09-2012, 02:31 AM

I have all three of those guys in my top-11. But, from what I have read here, all three are over-rated, particularly Bird and Hakeem. Bird had many flop jobs in his post-season career, lost SEVEN times with HCA, and "only" won three rings playing alongside HOF-laden rosters his entire career.

And Hakeem won two rings (one in a season in which MJ did not play), seldom even won 50 games (with a high of 58), and was part of EIGHT first round exits in his 15 post-seasons. Not only that, he won ONE MVP (again, in a season in which MJ took off), came in second, ONE time, and was a top-4 player in FOUR of his 18 seasons. Hell, he wasn't even a top-TEN player in EIGHT of his seasons, or nearly half the time he played.

Alright. I'll talk to you with respect and give you my view on it and some of it will be repeated from what I've already stated in some other threads too. Starting to see the point of the copy-and-paste.

I don't know if you can really be overrated if you've got a legitimate case as one of the top ten basketball players to ever live, J. At that point, we're just nitpicking and arguing to argue because that's what forums are for, I guess. I can honestly get on with some good hearted debate but there's no need for all the vitriol. You can say HOF-laden rosters and I can counter with the fact that McHale and Parish - combined, over their careers - made all of a single All-NBA 1st Team Selection. Here people act as if they're in the discussion as the greatest PF and C to play the game, like Parish was able to summon Chamberlain-like performances or something. These guys were very good players instrumental in helping Bird win titles and in turn, got their ticket punched into the HOF. They didn't have ATG caliber careers on their own individual play and accomplishments. Granted, McHale had some amazing footwork in the post. He won "only" 3 rings because he faced some wickedly good -some even all-time - teams in the form of Philadelphia, Detroit and of course the Lakers, who had the more talented and athletic rosters throughout the decade and easier competition in the Western Conference.

Let's remember Bird joined a Celtics team that had gone 29-53 the previous season and saw a 32-game turn-around in Bird's rookie season in which he won the ROY and finished 4th in league MVP voting. Magic wasn't even put on a ballot if I remember correctly. Do I give Bird ALL the credit for that? Of course, not. He was certainly the most significant part of it though. There was no McHale, Parish or gasp, Dennis Johnson on that roster and it was one of the few times Bird got to prove his individual value in retrospect. The other would be the season following 1988 in which the Celtics had gone 57-25 to 42-40 the next with Bird out virtually the entire season. I honestly don't see all that much shame with Bird's playoff "failures" from 1990-1992 in which he had HCA in two of them because we both know the back ailments he suffered in '89 effectively ended his prime play, immediately.

It just feels as though you're nitpicking things pertaining to agenda. With Bird, it's having HOF laden rosters and with Olajuwon it's a lack of 50-win seasons and MVP Voting. Since I already addressed the HOF talk, why don't we focus on Bird's 50-win seasons and MVP voting?

Boston Celtics Season-by-Season:
1978: 32-50
1979: 29-53
~ Bird joins Boston Celtics ~
1980: 61-21
1981: 62-20
1982: 63-19
1983: 56-26
1984: 62-20
1985: 63-19
1986: 67-15
1987: 59-23
1988: 57-25
1989: 42-40 (Bird misses 76 games)
1990: 52-30
1991: 56-26
1992: 51-31

Bird's MVP Voting Results:
1980: 4th (Rookie Season)
1981: 2nd
1982: 2nd
1983: 2nd
1984: WON
1985: WON
1986: WON
1987: 3rd
1988: 2nd
1989: Misses 76 games due to career-threatening back injuries. Never the same player again.
1990: 10th
1991: 9th

He is ranked third all-time in MVP Voting Shares behind only Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

:confusedshrug:

Bird did just about everything at an ATG level on the floor short of man-to-man defense. An elite scorer, shooter, excellent efficiency from the field overall, long range and free throw line; dangerous from everywhere on the floor, off the dribble and playing off the ball, an excellent rebounder, arguably the greatest passing forward of all-time, clutch as all hell, an instinctive, all-hustle team defender... on and on. All players have their failures, bad series, bad games. It's all relative and to be honest, Bird probably doesn't have a case for and isn't considered GOAT by much of anybody J unless it's pertaining to the wide-range of skills and value he has on the court, so ease up on the scrutiny unless you've been personally slighted by him or something, I guess.

Over his absolute prime years (1984-88) he averaged 27 ppg, 10 rpg, 7 apg, 2spg on 51/40/90 efficiency. Over a career, he's the only 20/10/5 player in league history and he actually improves on that criteria by a good margin (24.3/10.0/6.3). He isn't necessarily lacking for hardware validation either: 3x NBA Champion (1981, 1984, 1986), 3x NBA MVP (1984, 1985, 1986), 2x NBA Finals MVP (1984, 1986), NBA Rookie of the Year (1980), 9x All-NBA1 (1980-88), 1x All-NBA2 (1990), 3x All-D2 (1982, 1983, 1984).

I think maybe his biggest statistical accomplishment could be his two single-season 50/40/90 years. It's an unbelievably exclusive club already and even though Nash has done it four times, Bird did it at far and away the highest PPG of anyone and in back-to-back seasons: 28.1 and 29.9 respectively. Closest would be Dirk at 24.6 -- Nobody else in the club (Nash, Miller, Price) put up over 20. Hardware wise? Without a doubt, the 3-consecutive MVP's which was only previously done by Russell and Chamberlain - Arguably the two Greatest Centers to ever play - and hasn't been replicated since.

He wasn't too bad.

Deuce Bigalow

08-09-2012, 02:36 AM

Deuce Bigalow

08-09-2012, 02:47 AM

Where was Russell's position in that game seven?
Winning the Championship was his position
Or Kareem in game seven of the '74 Finals?
Prove it that he choked

Or game seven of the '88 Finals?
His team won the championship and he was 39-40 yrs old :oldlol:
Or Bird in game seven of the '84 Finals (BTW, he was FIFTH?)

Team won

As for "drop-off" Kobe scored 24 points in a game seven, 121-90 loss against Phoenix, in a season in which he averaged 35.4 ppg.
At halftime he had 21 points, his team was down 15. He quit in the 2nd half, and it was obvious that Lakers team was not good at all.

Or how about Kobe shooting .387 in a Finals?

In fact, has there ever been an "alltime" great who was ROUTED so OFTEN in his post-season career, and in games in which he was simply AWFUL, as Kobe?
'00 WCF, Game 7: 25-11-7-4blk, Win - led his team in all 4 of those categories, scored or assisted in the Lakers final 8 points
'02 WCF, Game 7: 30-10-7 0 tov, Win
'06: Team sucked
'08: Celtics DESTROYED his team. What could have Kobe done?
'10 Finals, Game 7: 23-15-2, horrible %, but 10 points in the 4th quarter, leading scorer for the game, 15 rebounds, and got the Win
'11: What was Kobe supposed to do? Dallas made nearly every 3 pointer nad his team didn't show up. AT one point in the game Kobe had 7 made FGs at, while the rest of his team combined had 7 made FGs too.

Force

08-09-2012, 03:53 AM

The thing about being playing in game 7's is that you need to lose 3 times to get there.

Dominating a series in 5 or 6 games is often the much greater feat.

rmt

08-09-2012, 06:34 AM

The thing about being playing in game 7's is that you need to lose 3 times to get there.

Dominating a series in 5 or 6 games is often the much greater feat.

Depends on the opponent - Spurs defeating an all-time great defensive team and defending champion Pistons in 05 game 7 > sweeping Cavs in 07.

Hands of Iron

08-09-2012, 07:08 PM

:sleeping

Deuce Bigalow

08-09-2012, 07:12 PM

:sleeping
jlauber is very insecure about those 3 players (Bird, Kareem, and Hakeem)
The reason why? Because they have won more than Wilt, or as much (Hakeem).

So he does everything he can to try to dub them as career losers and playoff chokers, when get this: They have won MORE than his beloved Wilt, who according to him is not a choker, not a loser, clutch, and better than all 3.

jlauber

08-09-2012, 07:19 PM

jlauber is very insecure about those 3 players (Bird, Kareem, and Hakeem)
The reason why? Because they have won more than Wilt, or as much (Hakeem).

So he does everything he can to try to dub them as career losers and playoff chokers, when get this: They have won MORE than his beloved Wilt, who according to him is not a choker, not a loser, clutch, and better than all 3.

And proven, as well.

Hands of Iron

08-09-2012, 07:20 PM

Craziness.

No player in history makes me insecure about Bird's place in the game, and we all have our favorites.

BlueandGold

08-09-2012, 11:55 PM

Jerry West is GOAT game 7 performer.. averages like 30+ ppg in game 7s :pimp:

jlauber

08-10-2012, 12:06 AM

Jerry West is GOAT game 7 performer.. averages like 30+ ppg in game 7s :pimp:

He was certainly among the best ever. Still, as great as he was in the majority of his post-seasons, he had a poor game seven in the '70 Finals (Frazier just embarrassed him in that game.) And, in the season in which he finally won a ring, he had a post-season in which he shot .376. Which was bad enough, but he shot an even worse .325 in the Finals. Had it not been for a dominating post-season by Chamberlain that year, and West would have retired ringless.

jlauber

08-10-2012, 12:21 AM

Alright. I'll talk to you with respect and give you my view on it and some of it will be repeated from what I've already stated in some other threads too. Starting to see the point of the copy-and-paste.

I don't know if you can really be overrated if you've got a legitimate case as one of the top ten basketball players to ever live, J. At that point, we're just nitpicking and arguing to argue because that's what forums are for, I guess. I can honestly get on with some good hearted debate but there's no need for all the vitriol. You can say HOF-laden rosters and I can counter with the fact that McHale and Parish - combined, over their careers - made all of a single All-NBA 1st Team Selection. Here people act as if they're in the discussion as the greatest PF and C to play the game, like Parish was able to summon Chamberlain-like performances or something. These guys were very good players instrumental in helping Bird win titles and in turn, got their ticket punched into the HOF. They didn't have ATG caliber careers on their own individual play and accomplishments. Granted, McHale had some amazing footwork in the post. He won "only" 3 rings because he faced some wickedly good -some even all-time - teams in the form of Philadelphia, Detroit and of course the Lakers, who had the more talented and athletic rosters throughout the decade and easier competition in the Western Conference.

Let's remember Bird joined a Celtics team that had gone 29-53 the previous season and saw a 32-game turn-around in Bird's rookie season in which he won the ROY and finished 4th in league MVP voting. Magic wasn't even put on a ballot if I remember correctly. Do I give Bird ALL the credit for that? Of course, not. He was certainly the most significant part of it though. There was no McHale, Parish or gasp, Dennis Johnson on that roster and it was one of the few times Bird got to prove his individual value in retrospect. The other would be the season following 1988 in which the Celtics had gone 57-25 to 42-40 the next with Bird out virtually the entire season. I honestly don't see all that much shame with Bird's playoff "failures" from 1990-1992 in which he had HCA in two of them because we both know the back ailments he suffered in '89 effectively ended his prime play, immediately.

It just feels as though you're nitpicking things pertaining to agenda. With Bird, it's having HOF laden rosters and with Olajuwon it's a lack of 50-win seasons and MVP Voting. Since I already addressed the HOF talk, why don't we focus on Bird's 50-win seasons and MVP voting?

Boston Celtics Season-by-Season:
1978: 32-50
1979: 29-53
~ Bird joins Boston Celtics ~
1980: 61-21
1981: 62-20
1982: 63-19
1983: 56-26
1984: 62-20
1985: 63-19
1986: 67-15
1987: 59-23
1988: 57-25
1989: 42-40 (Bird misses 76 games)
1990: 52-30
1991: 56-26
1992: 51-31

Bird's MVP Voting Results:
1980: 4th (Rookie Season)
1981: 2nd
1982: 2nd
1983: 2nd
1984: WON
1985: WON
1986: WON
1987: 3rd
1988: 2nd
1989: Misses 76 games due to career-threatening back injuries. Never the same player again.
1990: 10th
1991: 9th

He is ranked third all-time in MVP Voting Shares behind only Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

:confusedshrug:

Bird did just about everything at an ATG level on the floor short of man-to-man defense. An elite scorer, shooter, excellent efficiency from the field overall, long range and free throw line; dangerous from everywhere on the floor, off the dribble and playing off the ball, an excellent rebounder, arguably the greatest passing forward of all-time, clutch as all hell, an instinctive, all-hustle team defender... on and on. All players have their failures, bad series, bad games. It's all relative and to be honest, Bird probably doesn't have a case for and isn't considered GOAT by much of anybody J unless it's pertaining to the wide-range of skills and value he has on the court, so ease up on the scrutiny unless you've been personally slighted by him or something, I guess.

Over his absolute prime years (1984-88) he averaged 27 ppg, 10 rpg, 7 apg, 2spg on 51/40/90 efficiency. Over a career, he's the only 20/10/5 player in league history and he actually improves on that criteria by a good margin (24.3/10.0/6.3). He isn't necessarily lacking for hardware validation either: 3x NBA Champion (1981, 1984, 1986), 3x NBA MVP (1984, 1985, 1986), 2x NBA Finals MVP (1984, 1986), NBA Rookie of the Year (1980), 9x All-NBA1 (1980-88), 1x All-NBA2 (1990), 3x All-D2 (1982, 1983, 1984).

I think maybe his biggest statistical accomplishment could be his two single-season 50/40/90 years. It's an unbelievably exclusive club already and even though Nash has done it four times, Bird did it at far and away the highest PPG of anyone and in back-to-back seasons: 28.1 and 29.9 respectively. Closest would be Dirk at 24.6 -- Nobody else in the club (Nash, Miller, Price) put up over 20. Hardware wise? Without a doubt, the 3-consecutive MVP's which was only previously done by Russell and Chamberlain - Arguably the two Greatest Centers to ever play - and hasn't been replicated since.

He wasn't too bad.

Excellent post. I know that I come off as "anti-Bird" here, but I do acknowledge that he was a top-11 player (and perhaps as high as 8th.)

However, it amazes me how some here rank Bird over Magic, who just plain had a better overall career. And Magic was better H2H, and more "clutch" H2H, as well.

Then, even more shocking, are those that claim that Bird was "clutch", and then turn around and rip Wilt as a "choking" loser.

Clutch?

How about this...

The idiotic Bill Simmons claims that Wilt "shrunk" in the post-season, particularly in BIG games.

Had he actually done any real research into Wilt's post-season career, he would have found that Wilt averaged 27.0 ppg in his 35 "must-win" and/or clinching games. Meanwhile, his starting opposing centers averaged 14.5 ppg in those 35 games. He also outscored his opposing starting center in 29 of those 35 games, including a 19-0 edge in his first 19 games of those 35. Furthermore, in his 13 games which came in his "scoring" seasons (from 59-60 thru 65-66), Chamberlain averaged 37.3 ppg in those "do-or-die" or clinching games. And there were MANY games in which he just CRUSHED his opposing centers in those games (e.g. he outscored Kerr in one them, 53-7.)

Wilt had THREE of his four 50+ point post-season games, in these "elimination games", including two in "at the limit" games, and another against Russell in a "must-win" game. He also had games of 46-34 and 45-27 (and only 4 months removed from major knee surgery) in these types of games. In addition he had games of 39 and 38 in clinching wins.

In the known 19 games in which we have both Wilt's, and his starting opposing center's rebounding numbers, Chamberlain outrebounded them in 15 of them, and by an average margin of 26.1 rpg to 18.9 rpg. And, had we had all 35 of the totals, it would have been by a considerably larger margin. A conservative estimate would put Wilt with at least a 30-5 overall edge in those 35 games. He also had games, even against the likes of Russell, and in "must-win" situations, where he just MURDERED his opposing centers (e.g. he had one clinching game, against Russell, in which he outrebounded him by a 36-21 margin.)

And finally, in the known FG% games in which we have, Chamberlain not only shot an eye-popping .582 in those "do-or-die" games, but he held his opposing centers to a combined .413 FG%. BTW, he played against Kareem in two "clinching" games, and held Abdul-Jabbar to a combined 23-60, or .383, while shooting 18-33 himself (.545.)

The bottom line, in the known games of the 35 that Wilt played in that involved a "must-win" or clincher, Wilt averaged 27 ppg, 26.1 rpg, and shot .582 (and the 27 ppg figure was known for all 35 of those games.)

And once again, Chamberlain played in 11 games which went to the series limit (nine game seven's, one game five of a best-of-five series, and one game three of a best-of-three series), and all he did was average 29.9 ppg (outscoring his opposing center by a 29.9 ppg to 9.8 ppg margin in the process), with 26.7 rpg, and on .581 shooting. Or he was an eye-lash away from averaging a 30-27 game, and on nearly .600 shooting, in those 11 "at the limit" games.

Oh, and BTW, Chamberlain's TEAMs went 24-11 in those 35 games, too.

That was the same player that Simmons basically labeled a "loser", and a "choker", and who "shrunk" in his BIG games.

With the possible exception of Jordan, I challenge anyone here to provide a player who performed better in their post-season career, in "elimination" and "series clinching" performances. Not only that, but give me the performances of their OPPOSING players, as well.

BlueandGold

08-10-2012, 01:34 AM

He was certainly among the best ever. Still, as great as he was in the majority of his post-seasons, he had a poor game seven in the '70 Finals (Frazier just embarrassed him in that game.) And, in the season in which he finally won a ring, he had a post-season in which he shot .376. Which was bad enough, but he shot an even worse .325 in the Finals. Had it not been for a dominating post-season by Chamberlain that year, and West would have retired ringless.
Please.. West carried chamberlin through some of the finals in the 70s.. Chamberlin completely shrunk in the 70-71 finals and West is the only player in the 50+ year history of the league to win FMVP in a losing effort.

You have a lot of basketball experience/knowledge but why do you continue to diminish other stars in the 70s while propping up wilt?

Odinn

08-10-2012, 01:48 AM

Worthy's game7 performance of 1988 Finals vs. Frazier's game7 performance of 1970 Finals
What do you guys think?

Hands of Iron

08-11-2012, 12:37 AM

I can live with Bird's performances during his absolute prime years from 1984-88 over which he was involved in five Game 7's: 32.2 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 7.2 apg, 50.4% FG. :applause:

Deuce Bigalow

08-11-2012, 12:39 AM

Deuce Bigalow

08-11-2012, 12:40 AM

And proven, as well.
Nope. Cherry picked stats, and biased bullshit from an old insecure man is more like like it.

1987_Lakers

08-11-2012, 12:47 AM

Worthy's game7 performance of 1988 Finals vs. Frazier's game7 performance of 1970 Finals
What do you guys think?

Box score had Frazier at 36pts 7rbs 19ast.

Except he didn't have 19 assists. This was broken down in another forum, a few posters saw the entire footage of that game 7 vs LA and all of them agreed Frazier only had 7-9 assists in that game, not 19. Cant find the link right now, but I will try to look for it.

Hands of Iron

08-11-2012, 12:48 AM

Nope. Cherry picked stats, and biased bullshit from an old insecure man is more like like it.

Perhaps, but 84-88 certainly is not in regards to Bird. He was at his absolute peak over those years and the above is what happened. :D Thanks for all the info in this thread.

jlip

08-11-2012, 12:53 AM

Box score had Frazier at 36pts 7rbs 19ast.

Except he didn't have 19 assists. This was broken down in another forum, a few posters saw the entire footage of that game 7 vs LA and all of them agreed Frazier only had 7-9 assists in that game, not 19. Cant find the link right now, but I will try to look for it.

video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953IPz0fJcA)

Discussion (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1130334)

Stringer Bell

01-07-2014, 04:45 PM

2012 Eastern Conference Finals- Game 7

Lebron James: 32 pts, 8 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 8-17 FG, 1-2 3PT, 15-16 FT (W)
Dwyane Wade: 21 pts, 9 reb, 1 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 7-17 FG, 7-7 FT (W)

2013 NBA Finals- Game 7

Tim Duncan: 24 pts, 12 reb, 2 ast, 4 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-18 FG, 8-8 FT (L)

Lebron James: 37 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 2 tov, 12-23 FG, 5-10 3PT, 8-8 FT (W)

Dwyane Wade: 23 pts, 10 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blk, 4 tov, 11-21 FG, 1-2 FT (W)

HomieWeMajor

01-07-2014, 04:47 PM

Big dick game James Worthy

Stringer Bell

01-07-2014, 05:07 PM

Game 5 during the era of Best-of-Five First Rounds:

I'll stretch it out a bit from "All-time greats" to HOFers or future HOFers.

1984 Eastern Conference 1st Round

Bernard King: 44 pts, 12 rebs, 17-26 FG, 10-13 FT (W 127-123, OT)
Isiah Thomas: 35 pts, 12 assists. 13-25 FG, 7-9 FT (L 123-127, OT)

1985 Western Conference 1st Round

Hakeem Olajuwon: 32 pts, 14 rebs, 1 assist, 6 blocks, 2 turnovers. 12-19 FG, 8-15 FT (L)
John Stockton: 5 pts, 3 rebs, 4 assists, 1 turnover. 21 minutes played. 2-5 FG, 0-1 3PT, 1-2 FT (W)

1986 Eastern Conference 1st Round
Julius Erving: 19 pts, 6 rebs, 7 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 2 turnovers, 7-15 FG, 0-1 3PT, 5-5 FT (W)
Charles Barkley: 19 pts, 15 rebs, 12 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 4 turnovers. 8-12 FG, 3-3 FT (W)

1987 Eastern Conference 1st Round

Julius Erving: 24 pts, 2 rebs, 3 assists, 1 turnover. 10-24 FG, 1-2 3PT, 3-5 FT (L)
Charles Barkley: 12 pts, 13 rebs, 1 assist, 4 turnovers. 5-16 FG, 0-3 3 PT, 2-2 FT (L)

1987 Western Conference 1st Round

Karl Malone: 23 pts, 9 rebs, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 3 turnovers. 8-15 FG, 7-7 FT (L)
John Stockton: 14 pts, 1 reb, 13 assists, 3 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers. 5-9 FG, 1-2 3PT, 3-4 FT (L)

1988 Eastern Conference 1st Round

Dominique Wilkins: 33 pts, 10 rebs, 4 assists, 3 steals, 1 turnover. 12-24 FG, 0-2 3PT, 9-13 FT (W)

1989 Eastern Conference 1st Round

Michael Jordan: 44 pts, 9 rebs, 6 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers, 17-32 FG, 1-1 3 PT, 9-13 FT (W 101-100)

1990 Eastern Conference 1st Round

Patrick Ewing: 31 pts, 8 rebs, 10 assists, 4 blocks, 4 turnovers. 14-26 FG, 1-1 3 PT, 2-2 FT (W)
Larry Bird: 31 pts, 9 rebs, 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover. 11-25 FG, 1-4 3PT, 8-9 FT (L)

1990 Eastern Conference 1st Round

Charles Barkley: 18 pts, 19 rebs, 2 assists, 1 steal. 7-15 FG, 0-3 3PT, 4-7 FT (W). Hershey Hawkins actually had 39 points in this game.

1991 Eastern Conference 1st Round

Larry Bird: 32 pts, 9 rebs, 7 ast, 1 stl, 1 TO, 1 head-first crash to the floor, 12-19 FG, 0-5 3PT, 8-10 FT (W)

1992 Eastern Conference 1st Round

Patrick Ewing: 31 pts, 19 rebs, 3 ast, 1 stl, 3 blocks, 1 TO. 11-28 FG, 9-11 FT (W)
Isiah Thomas: 31 pts, 10 rebs, 6 ast, 1 blk, 1 TO. 7-20 FG, 3-5 3PT, 14-17 FT (L)

1993 Western Conference 1st Round

Hakeem Olajuwon: 31 pts, 21 rebs, 3 ast, 3 stl, 7 blk, 3 TOS. 14-27 FG, 3-3 FT (W)

1995 Western Conference 1st Round
Clyde Drexler: 31 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 4 turnovers, 8-15 FG, 5-7 3PT, 10-14 FT (W)
Hakeem Olajuwon: 33 pts, 10 rebs, 4 assists, 1 block, 5 turnovers, 10-16 FG, 13-20 FT (W)
Karl Malone: 35 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers, 10-21 FG, 1-4 3PT, 14-20 FT (L)
John Stockton: 12 pts, 1 reb, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover, 4-14 FG, 1-6 3PT, 3-4 FT (L)

1998 Western Conference 1st Round

Karl Malone: 31 pts, 15 rebs, 5 ast, 1 stl, 2 blks, 2 TOs. 12-22 FG, 7-9 FT (W)
John Stockton: 4 pts, 4 rebs. 10 ast, 2 TOs, 0-5 FG, 4-4 FT (W)
Hakeem Olajuwon: 15 pts, 9 rebs, 2 ast, 1 stl, 3 blks, 5 TOs. 7-19 FG, 1-4 FT (L)
Clyde Drexler: 6 pts, 6 rebs, 3 ast, 3 stl, 1 blk, 2 TOs. 1-13 FG, 0-4 3PT, 4-10 FT (L). I know he was an old man at the end of his career, but this is one ugly stat line.

2000 Western Conference 1st Round

Karl Malone: 27 pts, 8 rebs, 3 ast, 1 blk, 3 TO, 13-24 FG, 1-3 FT (W)
John Stockton: 17 pts, 7 rebs, 15 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 TO. 6-9 FG, 1-1 3 PT, 4-5 FT (W)
Gary Payton: 27 pts, 6 rebs, 9 ast, 1 TO. 12-25 FG, 3-5 3 PT (L)

2000 Western Conference 1st Round

Shaquille O'Neal: 32 pts, 18 rebs, 4 ast, 1 stl, 3 blks, 3 TOs. 15-24 FG, 2-7 FT (W 113-86)
Kobe Bryant: 17 pts, 2 rebs, 6 ast, 3 blks, 1 TO. 7-16 FG, 1-5 3PT, 2-2 FT (W)

2000 Eastern Conference 1st Round
Reggie Miller: 41 pts, 5 rebs, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 TOs. 15-25 FG, 3-7 3PT, 8-10 FT. (W 96-95)
Ray Allen: 18 pts, 6 rebs, 3 asts, 2 stl, 1 TO. 6-21 FG, 2-6 3PT, 4-4 FT. (L 95-96)

2001 Western Conference 1st Round

Steve Nash: 9 pts, 5 rebs, 7 ast, 3 TO. 3-11 FG, 3-7 3PT, 0-1 FT. (W 84-83)
Dirk Nowitzki: 18 pts, 4 rebs, 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 TO. 3-11 FG, 2-4 3PT, 10-10 FT (W 84-83)
John Stockton: 4 pts, 3 rebs. 11 ast. 4 stl, 1 blk. 2-4 FG. (L 83-84)
Karl Malone: 24 pts, 10 rebs, 2 ast, 1 blk, 2 TO. 9-28 FG, 6-8 FT (L 83-84)

2000 Eastern Conference 1st Round

Paul Pierce: 46 pts, 4 rebs, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk. 16-25 FG, 8-10 3PT, 6-7 FT. (W 120-87)
Allen Iverson: 31 pts, 2 rebs, 4 ast, 1 stl, 1 TO. 11-24 FG, 4-7 3PT, 5-8 FT. (L 87-120)

SHAQisGOAT

01-07-2014, 05:41 PM

Larry Bird owns game7's

10 games (7-3 record)

81 ECF vs. Sixers G7: 23/11/5/3/4 (8/17, 6/7) and 1 T/O W

82 ECF vs. Sixers G7: 20/11/9/2 (7/18, 6/8) L

84 WCSF vs. Knicks G7: 39/12/10 (13/24, 12/12) W

84 Finals vs. Lakers G7: 20/12/3/1/2 (6/18, 8/8) and 2 T/O W

87 ECSF vs. Bucks G7: 31/10/8/2/2 (9/21, 13/13) and 3 T/O W

87 ECF vs. Pistons G7: 37/9/9/2/0 (13/24, 10/10) and 3 T/O W

88 ECSF vs. Hawks G7: 34/4/6/1/1 (15/24, 3/3) and 4 T/O W

90 R1 vs. Knicks G5: 31/9/5/1/1 (11/25, 8/9) and 1 T/O L

91 R1 vs. Pacers G5: 32/9/7/0/1 (12/19, 8/10) and 4 T/O W

92 ECSF vs. Cavs G7: 12/5/4/0/0 (6/9, 0/0) and 2 T/O L

G7 Average: 27.0 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 6.8 apg on 49.7 %FG/59.4 %TS

Average: 27.9 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 6.6 apg on 50.3 %FG/59.5 %TS

Average (-92): 29.7 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 6.9 apg on 49.5 %FG/59.3 %TS

Yet some haters try to discredit this man :oldlol:

niko

01-07-2014, 05:44 PM

I always prefered the MJ "let me shit on you in game 6 and have no game 7" philosophy myself.

Deuce Bigalow

01-07-2014, 08:28 PM

Updated and added older game 7s. Also filled in missing stats for Russell, West, Baylor, Wilt, Kareem, and Oscar.

Hamtaro CP3KDKG

01-07-2014, 08:32 PM

2011 KD VS top 10 defense Grizzlies with Tony Allen, Battier and Conley on the wings

39pts, 9rbs, 2asts, 3blks, 2turnovers 13-25 shooting, 4-9 from 3, 9-9FT

Deuce Bigalow

01-08-2014, 03:39 PM

Deuce Bigalow

01-08-2014, 03:40 PM

2011 KD VS top 10 defense Grizzlies with Tony Allen, Battier and Conley on the wings

39pts, 9rbs, 2asts, 3blks, 2turnovers 13-25 shooting, 4-9 from 3, 9-9FT
Added

redrich2000

01-08-2014, 11:11 PM

Bill Russell: 19 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 7-17 FG, 5-10 FT (W)
Bill Russell: 18 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 8-23 FG, 2-2 FT (W)
Bill Russell: 22 pts, 35 reb, 4 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
Bill Russell: 19 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-14 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 22 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-9 FT (L)
Bill Russell: 30 pts, 40 reb, 4 ast, 8-18 FG, 14-17 FT (W)
Bill Russell: 20 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 8-14 FG, 4-6 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 39 pts, 30 reb, 19-29 FG, 1-6 FT (W)
Bill Russell: 15 pts, 29 reb, 8 ast, 7-16 FG, 1-2 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 30 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 12-15 FG, 6-13 FT (L)
Bill Russell: 25 pts, 32 reb, 1 ast, 10-22 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
Bill Russell: 12 pts, 26 reb, 5 ast, 4-6 FG, 4-10 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 14 pts, 35 reb, 5 ast, 4-9 FG, 6-15 FT (L)
Bill Russell: 6 pts, 21 reb, 6 ast, 2-7 FG, 2-4 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 18 pts, 27 reb, 3 ast, 7-8 FG, 4-13 FT (L)
Wilt Chamberlain: 30 pts, 27 reb, 6 ast, 11-18 FG, 8-17 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 21 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 10-16 FG, 1-11 FT (L)
Wilt Chamberlain: 25 pts, 19 reb, 9 ast, 7-12 FG, 11-17 FT (W)
Wilt Chamberlain: 21 pts, 28 reb, 4 ast, 10-17 FG, 1-1 FT (W)

In those games with either Wilt or Russell playing did everyone else on the court just give up on rebounding?

Deuce Bigalow

01-09-2014, 01:33 AM

In those games with either Wilt or Russell playing did everyone else on the court just give up on rebounding?
Couple of factors:

'60s was the fastest pace era in league history. NBA last season averaged 82.0 FGA per game. During the '60s the league averaged over 100 with multiple seasons of over 105.
League shot a worse percentage in the '60s compared to the '80s to present. The league average fg% now is around 45. During most of the '60s the league shot 41-43%.
Wilt and Russell averaged 47-48 minutes per game in the playoffs. No one in the modern era plays entire games on the regular.

They were still great rebounders though not taking anything away.

Take a look at the league averages here http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

TheMilkyBarKid

01-09-2014, 01:36 AM

Lebron James 34/74 46%FG 34PPG :applause:

Kobe 44/113 39%FG 22PPG :confusedshrug:
I thought lebron was a mental midget doe :oldlol:

sportjames23

01-09-2014, 02:15 AM

You missed Game 5 Performances by All-Time Greats
(First Round Best-of-5)

1989 Eastern Conference First Round - Game 5
Michael Jordan: 39 pts, 4 reb, 6 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 7 tov, 12-22 FG, 0-1 3PT, 15-18 FT (W)

Actually, MJ had: 44 pts, 9 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 17-32 FG, 1-1 3PT, 9-13 FT (W)

Deuce Bigalow

02-05-2014, 03:42 AM

Bob Pettit
39 pts, 19 reb, 3 ast, 14-34 FG, 11-13 FT (L)
28 pts, 20 reb, 10-23 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
22 pts, 14 reb, 4 ast, 8-18 FG, 6-13 FT (L)
31 pts, 17 reb, 11-24 FG, 9-13 FT (W)
31 pts, 13 reb, 10 FG, 11 FT (L)
24 pts, 7 FG, 10-12 FT (L)

Bill Russell
19 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 7-17 FG, 5-10 FT (W)
18 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 8-23 FG, 2-2 FT (W)
22 pts, 35 reb, 4 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
19 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-14 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
30 pts, 40 reb, 4 ast, 8-18 FG, 14-17 FT (W)
20 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 8-14 FG, 4-6 FT (W)
15 pts, 29 reb, 8 ast, 7-16 FG, 1-2 FT (W)
25 pts, 32 reb, 1 ast, 10-22 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
12 pts, 26 reb, 5 ast, 4-6 FG, 4-10 FT (W)
6 pts, 21 reb, 6 ast, 2-7 FG, 2-4 FT (W)

Elgin Baylor
33 pts, 13 reb, 9-28 FG, 15-15 FT (L)
39 pts, 12 reb, 16-36 FG, 7-7 FT (L)
41 pts, 22 reb, 4 ast, 13-40 FG, 15-21 FT (L)
35 pts, 15 reb, 14-28 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
33 pts, 11 reb, 7 ast, 13-24 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
18 pts, 14 reb, 1 ast, 6-22 FG, 6-6 FT (L)
20 pts, 15 reb, 7 ast, 8-22 FG, 4-5 FT (L)
25 pts, 14 reb, 7 ast, 10-19 FG, 5-6 FT (W)
19 pts, 5 reb, 1 ast, 9-17 FG, 1-2 FT (L)

Wilt Chamberlain
22 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-9 FT (L)
39 pts, 30 reb, 19-29 FG, 1-6 FT (W)
30 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 12-15 FG, 6-13 FT (L)
14 pts, 35 reb, 5 ast, 4-9 FG, 6-15 FT (L)
18 pts, 27 reb, 3 ast, 7-8 FG, 4-13 FT (L)
30 pts, 27 reb, 6 ast, 11-18 FG, 8-17 FT (W)
21 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 10-16 FG, 1-11 FT (L)
25 pts, 19 reb, 9 ast, 7-12 FG, 11-17 FT (W)
21 pts, 28 reb, 4 ast, 10-17 FG, 1-1 FT (W)

Jerry West
29 pts, 12 reb, 11-22 FG, 7-9 FT (L)
35 pts, 6 reb, 0 ast, 14-30 FG, 7-8 FT (L)
27 pts, 11 reb, 12-23 FG, 3-4 FT (W)
35 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast, 14-25 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
36 pts, 10 reb, 3 ast, 12-27 FG, 12-16 FT (L)
42 pts, 13 reb, 12 ast, 14-29 FG, 14-18 FT (L)
19 pts, 2 reb, 15 ast, 9-19 FG, 1-3 FT (W)
28 pts, 6 reb, 5 ast, 9-19 FG, 10-12 FT (L)
27 pts, 7 reb, 7 ast, 9-23 FG, 9-12 FT (W)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
26 pts, 13 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 10-21 FG, 6-11 FT (L)
36 pts, 26 reb, 4 ast, 14-25 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
29 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 2 tov, 12-22 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-8 FT (L)
11 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 4 blk, 2 tov, 4-10 FG, 0-1 3PT, 3-3 FT (W)
17 pts, 7 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 0 tov, 8-14 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (W)
4 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 2-7 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (W)

Magic Johnson
16 pts, 5 reb, 15 ast, 4 stl, 2 blk, 7 tov, 5-14 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-7 FT (L)
23 pts, 9 reb, 16 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 9-15 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)
24 pts, 9 reb, 11 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 9-15 FG, 0-1 3PT, 6-6 FT (W)
19 pts, 5 reb, 14 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-1 3PT, 7-8 FT (W)

Larry Bird
23 pts, 11 reb, 5 ast, 8-17 FG, 1 3PT, 6-7 FT (W)
20 pts, 11 reb, 9 ast, 2 blk, 7-18 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-8 FT (L)
39 pts, 12 reb, 10 ast, 13-24 FG, 1 3PT, 12-12 FT (W)
20 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-0 3 PT, 8-8 FT
31 pts, 10 reb, 8 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 9-21 FG, 0-1 3PT, 13-13 FT (W)
37 pts, 9 reb, 9 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 13-24 FG, 1-2 3PT, 10-10 FT (W)
34 pts, 4 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 15-24 FG, 1-3 3PT, 3-3 FT (W)
12 pts, 5 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)

Hakeem Olajuwon
23 pts, 17 reb, 9 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 7-15 FG, 0-1 3PT, 9-10 FT (L)
37 pts, 17 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 18-33 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (W)
25 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 2 tov, 10-25 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-7 FT (W)
29 pts, 11 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 5 tov, 10-21 FG, 0-0 3PT, 9-17 FT (W)

Michael Jordan
31 pts, 8 reb, 9 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 13-27 FG, 0-2 3PT, 5-5 FT (L)
42 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 5 tov, 15-29 FG, 0-0 3PT, 12-13 FT (W)
28 pts, 9 reb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 9-25 FG, 0-0 3PT 10-15 FT (W)

Shaquille O'Neal
25 pts, 11 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 4 tov, 11-15 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-11 FT (W)
18 pts, 9 reb, 5 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 5-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 8-12 FT (W)
35 pts, 13 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 3 tov, 12-25 FG, 0-0 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)
27 pts, 9 reb, 1 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 5 tov, 12-19 FG, 0-0 3PT, 3-6 FT (L)

Kobe Bryant
25 pts, 11 reb, 7 ast, 0 stl, 4 blk, 2 tov, 9-19 FG, 1-4 3PT, 6-12 FT (W)
30 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 0 tov, 10-26 FG, 2-3 3PT, 8-10 FT (W)
24 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-16 FG, 4-8 3PT, 4-5 FT (L)
14 pts, 7 reb, 5 ast, 3 stl, 2 blk, 1 tov, 4-12 FG, 1-4 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)
23 pts, 15 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-24 FG, 0-6 3PT, 11-15 FT (W)
17 pts, 1 reb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 7-16 FG, 2-2 3PT, 1-4 FT (W)

Tim Duncan
25 pts, 11 reb, 3 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 5 tov, 10-27 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)
41 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk, 3 tov, 12-24 FG, 0-1 3PT, 17-23 FT (L)
16 pts, 14 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 5-17 FG, 0-1 3PT, 6-6 FT (W)
24 pts, 12 reb, 2 ast, 4 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 8-18 FG, 8-8 FT (L)

Lebron James
27 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 11-24 FG, 0-4 3PT, 5-8 FT (L)
45 pts, 6 reb, 2 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 14-29 FG, 3-11 3PT, 14-19 FT (L)
31 pts, 12 reb, 2ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 9-21 FG, 1-5 3PT, 12-17 FT (W)
32 pts, 8 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 8-17 FG, 1-2 3PT, 15-16 FT (W)
37 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 12-23 FG, 5-10 3PT, 8-8 FT (W)

LAZERUSS

02-05-2014, 04:47 AM

Bill Russell
19 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 7-17 FG, 5-10 FT (W)
18 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 8-23 FG, 2-2 FT (W)
22 pts, 35 reb, 4 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
19 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-14 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
30 pts, 40 reb, 4 ast, 8-18 FG, 14-17 FT (W)
20 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 8-14 FG, 4-6 FT (W)
15 pts, 29 reb, 8 ast, 7-16 FG, 1-2 FT (W)
25 pts, 32 reb, 1 ast, 10-22 FG, 5-5 FT (W)
12 pts, 26 reb, 5 ast, 4-6 FG, 4-10 FT (W)
6 pts, 21 reb, 6 ast, 2-7 FG, 2-4 FT (W)

Wilt Chamberlain
22 pts, 22 reb, 3 ast, 7-15 FG, 8-9 FT (L)
39 pts, 30 reb, 19-29 FG, 1-6 FT (W)
30 pts, 32 reb, 2 ast, 12-15 FG, 6-13 FT (L)
14 pts, 35 reb, 5 ast, 4-9 FG, 6-15 FT (L)
18 pts, 27 reb, 3 ast, 7-8 FG, 4-13 FT (L)
30 pts, 27 reb, 6 ast, 11-18 FG, 8-17 FT (W)
21 pts, 24 reb, 4 ast, 10-16 FG, 1-11 FT (L)
25 pts, 19 reb, 9 ast, 7-12 FG, 11-17 FT (W)
21 pts, 28 reb, 4 ast, 10-17 FG, 1-1 FT (W)

Jerry West
29 pts, 12 reb, 11-22 FG, 7-9 FT (L)
35 pts, 6 reb, 0 ast, 14-30 FG, 7-8 FT (L)
27 pts, 11 reb, 12-23 FG, 3-4 FT (W)
35 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast, 14-25 FG, 7-8 FT (W)
36 pts, 10 reb, 3 ast, 12-27 FG, 12-16 FT (L)
42 pts, 13 reb, 12 ast, 14-29 FG, 14-18 FT (L)
19 pts, 2 reb, 15 ast, 9-19 FG, 1-3 FT (W)
28 pts, 6 reb, 5 ast, 9-19 FG, 10-12 FT (L)
27 pts, 7 reb, 7 ast, 9-23 FG, 9-12 FT (W)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
26 pts, 13 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 10-21 FG, 6-11 FT (L)
36 pts, 26 reb, 4 ast, 14-25 FG, 8-10 FT (W)
29 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 2 tov, 12-22 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-8 FT (L)
11 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 4 blk, 2 tov, 4-10 FG, 0-1 3PT, 3-3 FT (W)
17 pts, 7 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 0 tov, 8-14 FG, 0-0 3PT, 1-1 FT (W)
4 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 0 stl, 1 blk, 3 tov, 2-7 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (W)

Magic Johnson
16 pts, 5 reb, 15 ast, 4 stl, 2 blk, 7 tov, 5-14 FG, 0-0 3PT, 6-7 FT (L)
23 pts, 9 reb, 16 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 3 tov, 9-15 FG, 0-0 3PT, 5-6 FT (W)
24 pts, 9 reb, 11 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 9-15 FG, 0-1 3PT, 6-6 FT (W)
19 pts, 5 reb, 14 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 4 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-1 3PT, 7-8 FT (W)

Larry Bird
23 pts, 11 reb, 5 ast, 8-17 FG, 6-7 FT (W)
20 pts, 11 reb, 9 ast, 7-18 FG, 6-8 FT (L)
39 pts, 12 reb, 10 ast, 13-24 FG, 12-12 FT (W)
20 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 2 tov, 6-18 FG, 0-0 3 PT
31 pts, 10 reb, 8 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 9-21 FG, 0-1 3PT, 13-13 FT (W)
37 pts, 9 reb, 9 ast, 0 stl, 2 blk, 3 tov, 13-24 FG, 1-2 3PT, 10-10 FT (W)
34 pts, 4 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tov, 15-24 FG, 1-3 3PT, 3-3 FT (W)
12 pts, 5 reb, 4 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 6-9 FG, 0-0 3PT, 0-0 FT (L)

Michael Jordan
31 pts, 8 reb, 9 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 1 tov, 13-27 FG, 0-2 3PT, 5-5 FT (L)
42 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 3 blk, 5 tov, 15-29 FG, 0-0 3PT, 12-13 FT (W)
28 pts, 9 reb, 8 ast, 0 stl, 0 blk, 2 tov, 9-25 FG, 0-0 3PT 10-15 FT (W)

Just my opinion, but I would add playoff games in which the series went to game three's, in a three game series, and game five's, in a five game series. I know that Chamberlain's scoring would go up dramatically in that case (games of 53 and 56 points.)