Where do you stand on Kobe's rape allegation?

[usa hoops]

It seems to me that most opinions are biased on both sides. Nearly all fans will give their superstar the benefit of the doubt, and those who dislike a player will always assume the worst about them.

Any neutral fans who don't hate Kobe, are you convinced in your heart he raped the girl?

[Faptastrophe]

Ok.. I like this quote. Going to post it again..

"It's not rape unless she sues, lol"

[Horde of Temujin]

Ok.. I like this quote. Going to post it again..

"It's not rape unless she sues, lol"

Rape is not something to joke about. Its a brutal primal act that is far too common.

[The Iron Fist]

The chicks underwear tell the whole story. Anyone who still clings to "he raped her" is simply being childish.

[kennethgriffin]

i'm a kobe fan and i'l admit... by law he did infact rape her

it doesnt matter if its brutal rape or accidental. the same classification is used for all forms


what was defined by the statement of kate faber was "they had consensual sex. she agreed to have it. they were in the middle of it and she had a injury wanted to stop because of it. ( she needed stitches to fix it ) so kobe while bending her over kept going and finished. she didnt fight against him. she just said "no" "stop" and kept taking his manhood

after they finished she left. bragged about it at a party. and it was found out she had semen stains from 3 other men on her underwear.



so in the end. we can see where kobes coming from. because anyone whos had bum sex will testify that a woman feels some pain and does say "omg no" at times. a man usually keeps going


but under the definition of law. it is rape if the women asks to stop and you dont pull out right away


so by definition. kobe did rape her. but they settled out of court and he is not a convicted rapist. only accused.

[gengiskhan]

It seems to me that most opinions are biased on both sides. Nearly all fans will give their superstar the benefit of the doubt, and those who dislike a player will always assume the worst about them.

Any neutral fans who don't hate Kobe, are you convinced in your heart he raped the girl?

Yes.

Kobe have raped IMO. He just brought his way out of it with $$$$.

The whole 2004 yr for Kobe is questionable. His fued with Shaq. Him not getting along with team mates. He became "uncoachable".

all this is happening after tasting success of 3 rings.

this Rape could be the result of the "Repressed Anger" that Kobe was harboring.

You know not getting any recognition under Shaq's rule.

I honestly & truly believe he clearly vented his repressed anger in Colorado & he actually got away with it.

I guess Money will buy you anything. Even a "get out of Jail" card literally !!!

[Yung D-Will]

I actually do believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. The prosecution has the burden of proof, therefore I assume the defendant is innocent until the prosecution proves otherwise.

[LAClipsFan33]

I'm with Kobe on it.

Chick was a slut. She didn't originally say rape...homegirls got in her ear about how famous Kobe was and it was suddenly rape

[BlueandGold]

I'm going to stand off on making definitive decisions but here are the facts.

1. There were recreational drugs present in the woman at the time of the alleged rape
2. The woman was both a known prostitute and drug user
3. The woman would have had a substantial financial gain if she would have won the case.
4. Kobe, at the time and now, was one of the most influential and attractive athletes in the world and many woman clearly wanted to have consensual sex with him

[Dictator]

Why would Kobe have to rape any girl(unless they're famous)?

[kennethgriffin]

Yes.

Kobe have raped IMO. He just brought his way out of it with $$$$.

The whole 2004 yr for Kobe is questionable. His fued with Shaq. Him not getting along with team mates. He became "uncoachable".

all this is happening after tasting success of 3 rings.

this Rape could be the result of the "Repressed Anger" that Kobe was harboring.

You know not getting any recognition under Shaq's rule.

I honestly & truly believe he clearly vented his repressed anger in Colorado & he actually got away with it.

I guess Money will buy you anything. Even a "get out of Jail" card literally !!!

if you actually knew the facts of the case and still said this..... i would accuse you of being a virgin

anyone whos had sex knows women say "it hurts" or "omg no" whenever you have a..nal sex with them...

nobody ever stops because after a few seconds she starts to like it... the muscles need to relax and stretch...

[usa hoops]

Yes.

Kobe have raped IMO. He just brought his way out of it with $$$$.

The whole 2004 yr for Kobe is questionable. His fued with Shaq. Him not getting along with team mates. He became "uncoachable".

all this is happening after tasting success of 3 rings.

this Rape could be the result of the "Repressed Anger" that Kobe was harboring.

You know not getting any recognition under Shaq's rule.

I honestly & truly believe he clearly vented his repressed anger in Colorado & he actually got away with it.

I guess Money will buy you anything. Even a "get out of Jail" card literally !!!

So how do you believe it went down? Did he suddenly force her clothes off (any evidence of that?)? Or did she consentually start to make out with him and perhaps even consent to sex, only to change her mind in the middle of it for lack of a condom or something else?

[bigkingsfan]

Yes, and it's not even close.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Why did she f*ck 3 dudes after the incident? Thought she was traumatized.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Why would Kobe have to rape any girl(unless they're famous)?
This. When you reach the status of Kobe, you'll have women kissing your feet. Too many options in the world to have to rape a chick that's wasn't even that hot. This was simply an extortion scheme that failed.

[kennethgriffin]

Why did she f*ck 3 dudes after the incident? Thought she was traumatized.

she ran into kobe. they talked for a bit... ended up having sex

if thats all it takes.. i'm pretty sure its no surprise shes easy to sleep with

[SilkkTheShocker]

This. When you reach the status of Kobe, you'll have women kissing your feet. Too many options in the world to have to rape a chick that's wasn't even that hot. This was simply an extortion scheme that failed.


Good post, f.aggot. I actually agree with you for once.

[gengiskhan]

So how do you believe it went down? Did he suddenly force her clothes off (any evidence of that?)? Or did she consentually start to make out with him and perhaps even consent to sex, only to change her mind in the middle of it for lack of a condom or something else?

In US, there are hundreds of rape each day. Not every rape is reported. or charges pressed.

Kobe thought he could've been one of that statistics. Girl will hush up cuz kobe could give her tons of money.

Kobe knew there will be a rape & he will force himself if girl didnt agree to have sex.

But the girl went greedy. She knew she could get millions out of kobe. This is when shit hit the fan & kobe wasnt prepared for it at all.

In non-western world like 3rd world countries, raped girls who try to malign famous politicians, superstars after rape were given death threats or actually killed if they go public. Even their families are threatened to be killed.

cant do that in USA, its because of this kobe got caught.

[usa hoops]

In US, there are hundreds of rape each day. Not every rape is reported. or charges pressed.

Kobe thought he could've been one of that statistics. Girl will hush up cuz kobe could give her tons of money.

Kobe knew there will be a rape & he will force himself if girl didnt agree to have sex.

But the girl went greedy. She knew she could get millions out of kobe. This is when shit hit the fan & kobe wasnt prepared for it at all.

In non-western world like 3rd world countries, raped girls who try to malign famous politicians, superstars after rape were given death threats or actually killed if they go public. Even their families are threatened to be killed.

cant do that in USA, its because of this kobe got caught.

So how did he undo her clothes without ripping them or damagin them?

[Faptastrophe]

It's so easy to come up with the excuse- he's popular and has money... that's why he isn't guilty. Let's just forget the fact that they had sex, she said no, but he still finished.

Thing is.. case is closed. We won't know the truth unless he admitts it on his death bed.

[RRR3]

Ok.. I like this quote. Going to post it again..

"It's not rape unless she sues, lol"
Link?

[Faptastrophe]

Link?
Supposedly a quote by Kobe himself.

[usa hoops]

It's so easy to come up with the excuse- he's popular and has money... that's why he isn't guilty. Let's just forget the fact that they had sex, she said no, but he still finished.

Thing is.. case is closed. We won't know the truth unless he admitts it on his death bed.

So you're saying that rape is the only possible truth?

[Faptastrophe]

So you're saying that rape is the only possible truth?
"they had sex, she said no, but he still finished" kinda obvious isn't it?

But he's not addmited guilty.. so there's that.

[Rolando]

I hate Kobe and the Lakers, but this whole rape allegation bullcrap is stupid. He didn't rape her. She was just out for money. She set him up. She is a f'ing whore.

[RRR3]

Supposedly a quote by Kobe himself.
According to whom? From what I know I believe Kobe is innocent

[LamarOdom]

It's so easy to come up with the excuse- he's popular and has money... that's why he isn't guilty. Let's just forget the fact that they had sex, she said no, but he still finished.

Thing is.. case is closed. We won't know the truth unless he admitts it on his death bed.

I actually agree with you on that he is famous and he could have sex with anyone he wants, a lot of people do it for the kick not because they can't get laid.

Anyway in Kobe's case the evidence is laughable no way he did it.

[Tenchi Ryu]

"they had sex, she said no, but he still finished" kinda obvious isn't it?

But he's not addmited guilty.. so there's that.
What kills her stance though is that she went looking for more dick after Kobe. If you are tired of sex, what the hell you still doing with not 1, not 2, but 3 dudes. She really shot down a good portion of her credibility.

[caliman]

so kobe while bending her over kept going and finished. she didnt fight against him. she just said "no" "stop" and kept taking his manhood



This directly contradicts the statement that Kobe gave to the police. Where are you getting this from? According to Kobe he didn't keep going and finish. She got up and he went into the bathroom to finish himself.

Also, Kobe was quite definitive when Faber said "no". It was after he asked if he could nut in her face.

[Faptastrophe]

According to whom? From what I know I believe Kobe is innocent
That quote is as legit as this picture:
http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/0501e37843de8545890d2d0eed4a3add.jpg

[Ne 1]

The girl bragged about having sex with Kobe at a house party and bragged about how big his pen*s was and she has a reputation for sleeping around. Not only that but the panties she wore to her rape exam contained a Caucasian man's semen and pubic hair.

She changed her story every time the cops found her story inconclusive and she admitted repeatedly that she lied about half of what she said...do the math

[RRR3]

Legit quote: "it's my thing"
:roll:

[AK47DR91]

I'm a proud Kobe-hater, but I don't believe it was rape.

The Black Mamba was just too big for that ass.

[LakersReign]

:roll: @ "gengiskhan" being called out as a virgin. Notice how he never even bothered to respond? Hmm....I wonder why?:lol

[Faptastrophe]

LakersReign is here? OHSHI..

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/29/AbandonThread.gif

[LakersReign]

The truth really does hurt....doesn't it?:lol

[RRR3]

Boring:rolleyes:
You never gave me your top 10 players ever. Who are they?

[NumberSix]

He raped her so hard that he busted his AND other dudes nutts in her.

[midatlantic09]

The chick had semen from like 3 different guys (which means she hooked up with 3 different guys in a 24 or 48 hour period) in her panties when she had the rape kit done so I think it's pretty clear that this was a promiscious chick.

That said, I find it incredibly hard to believe that a chick like that would turn down a rich NBA superstar, but hook up with 3 average joe's in a 24/48 hr period. Could that be the case, sure, but the chances of that being the case are about as good as me winning the next $200 million lotto.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

This again? lol

1. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty.

2. She changed her story three times.

3. Her panties were soiled by another man's sperm.

4. She bragged about sleeping with Kobe Bryant to friends at a party.

5. She refused to testify, this was after she changed her story for the last time.

6. Her behavior does not match a typicial rape victim. If you study rape cases and behavioral patterns of women who were raped, you will realize this is pretty bogus.

7. Her behavior matches an extortionist.

This does not prove that Kobe is innocent but it does prove that he had sex, not that he raped her. It was certainly consensual. No one knows but Kobe, that Colorado Chick, and God. According to those facts, I'm guessing the liar is most likely her, not Kobe.

[Myth]

Here is where I stand:
-Kobe definitely cheated on his wife, so no matter what this is not a good sign of character
-I do not think Kobe did the traditional forced sex
-I believe that Kobe likely did some shady stuff that is technically rape, like not stopping when the girl indicated she didn't want to continue. It was likely in that grey area where Kobe truly believes it was not rape, but the girl did not feel completely comfortable to give proper consent.
-I believe that once the girl realized she was not completely comfortable with the situation, she didn't go for justice, she went for money.

[ncrizzle]

$lut

I stand behind Kobe (no homo)

[midatlantic09]

Here is where I stand:
-Kobe definitely cheated on his wife, so no matter what this is not a good sign of character
-I do not think Kobe did the traditional forced sex
-I believe that Kobe likely did some shady stuff that is technically rape, like not stopping when the girl indicated she didn't want to continue. It was likely in that grey area where Kobe truly believes it was not rape, but the girl did not feel completely comfortable to give proper consent.
-I believe that once the girl realized she was not completely comfortable with the situation, she didn't go for justice, she went for money.

The semen of 3 different guys was found in her panties. Does that sound like a chick who is wishy washy about sex and tells guys "noooo....i dont know if i want to do this....nooooooooo, i dunno" in the middle of sex???? Also, the chick went to a house party and bragged about how she banged him.

And, on top of all of that, why on Earth would Kobe feel the need to rape some average chick in Colorado when he can get nearly any woman he wants? That just doesn't commute and I'm pretty sure if she had actually said no, he would've just stopped and found another chick 5 minutes later. And if you try to say "well, rape is about power", then all I have to say is that Kobe has plenty of it and has for over a decade so I'm not sure what extra power he'd get from raping some random Colorado chick.

[FireDavidKahn]

Even if he didn't forcibly raped, he still had sloppy 3rd's:facepalm

[Myth]

The semen of 3 different guys was found in her panties. Does that sound like a chick who is wishy washy about sex and tells guys "noooo....i dont know if i want to do this....nooooooooo, i dunno" in the middle of sex???? Also, the chick went to a house party and bragged about how she banged him.

I'm sure she is a whore, but whores can be put in situations they are uncomfortable with too. I'm not claiming any of my assumptions are facts.

[midatlantic09]

I'm sure she is a whore, but whores can be put in situations they are uncomfortable with too. I'm not claiming any of my assumptions are facts.

Okay, but having one-on-one sex with a rich, NBA superstar who's pretty attractive is not one of those situations. It's not like she was kidnapped and brought to a frat house with 25 drunken guys wanting to gang up on her, or she was walking down the street and was accosted at gunpoint and raped behind a dumpster in an alley.

[FireDavidKahn]

Okay, but having one-on-one sex with a rich, NBA superstar who's pretty attractive is not one of those situations. It's not like she was kidnapped and brought to a frat house with 25 drunken guys wanting to gang up on her.
Who are you to say?

[midatlantic09]

Who are you to say?

If she's uncomfortable, it had to do with her having some sort of physical flaw that she's embarrassed about, not the actual sex.

However, chicks who were uncomfortable don't go around bragging about hooking up with the guy they were supposedly uncomfortable with.

[Myth]

If she's uncomfortable, it had to do with her having some sort of physical flaw that she's embarrassed about, not the actual sex.

However, chicks who were uncomfortable don't go around bragging about hooking up with the guy they were supposedly uncomfortable with.

She could have been frightened by the size of his dick. :confusedshrug:

[Myth]

It's not like she was kidnapped and brought to a frat house with 25 drunken guys wanting to gang up on her, or she was walking down the street and was accosted at gunpoint and raped behind a dumpster in an alley.

This was why I had a bullet point saying that it wasn't the traditional forced rape. I said it was likely in the grey and not a cut and dry rape case.

[Brokenbeat]

This again? lol

1. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty.

2. She changed her story three times.

3. Her panties were soiled by another man's sperm.

4. She bragged about sleeping with Kobe Bryant to friends at a party.

5. She refused to testify, this was after she changed her story for the last time.

6. Her behavior does not match a typicial rape victim. If you study rape cases and behavioral patterns of women who were raped, you will realize this is pretty bogus.

7. Her behavior matches an extortionist.

This does not prove that Kobe is innocent but it does prove that he had sex, not that he raped her. It was certainly consensual. No one knows but Kobe, that Colorado Chick, and God. According to those facts, I'm guessing the liar is most likely her, not Kobe.

Maybe God was there too. It's like that 'footprints in the sand' thing, but with semen and blonde girls.

[midatlantic09]

This was why I had a bullet point saying that it wasn't the traditional forced rape. I said it was likely in the grey and not a cut and dry rape case.

Well, then what you're describing isn't really rape. I don't know what it's called, but that's not a rape. No one should be labeled a rapist over a situation that isn't a clear cut forcible rape. This stuff about chicks being uncertain or consenting on and off during the session is ridiculous.

[Myth]

Well, then what you're describing isn't really rape. I don't know what it's called, but that's not a rape.

Any sex that is coerced or not given informed consent is rape. I'm guessing the girl started having doubts (potentially because of the size of his dick for all we know) and Kobe coerced her. Many men do this, and because it is so common, they convince themselves it is not rape, but it is. Force is not the only way you rape somebody.

For example: Making out with a girl and then starting to reach into her pants, a girl may say "I don't know, I'm not sure if I want to do that." The guy simply saying "Come on, you know you want to. Come on." is considered coercing, and if she feels there is enough tone to make her feel unsafe in saying "No," that is legally rape. It is super hard to prove based simply on "he said, she said" though, which is why you never see those as convictions, but they do get into the early stages of courts, as Kobe's trial did.

[midatlantic09]

Any sex that is coerced or not given informed consent is rape. I'm guessing the girl started having doubts (potentially because of the size of his dick for all we know) and Kobe coerced her. Many men do this, and because it is so common, they convince themselves it is not rape, but it is. Force is not the only way you rape somebody.

This chick wasn't 9 years old. If she wanted to stop then that's what she should have done and actually moved away from him and left. Anyone who claims they were coerced into sex isn't ready for sex, period. She was like 19 and old enough to actually speak up and move away if she had such a problem with things.

[rwfletch22]

Innocent.

[ripthekik]

Come on, with all the facts of the case we do have, we know it's too likely the girl is just out for money.

As a guy you have to know how easy it is to fall victim to this.. sleep with any girl.. the next day she can shout rape and you'll be sued.

Funny all of you making the rapist jokes, when it is just as easy for you to become one yourself. Well.. except you aren't a millionaire.

Think about it.. why would Kobe need to rape? I mean even ignoring the fact that he's rich and famous and women would give up themselves for him.. all he has to do is pay up big money and he can get the world's most beautiful and hottest girls. He doesn't need to rape to get some.

[jstern]

It's been so many years, I forgot most of the evidence, but I think he's innocent and always feel weird when people make the Kobe rape jokes.

I remember during the whole rape thing, I got a flash back to something that I had complete not thought about that happened in the first grade. The prettiest girl in the class would make shit up and get me in trouble, and there was nothing I could do because she was to pretty or something. I remember not getting to eat lunch one time because of her. Might not sound like that big of a deal lying to get anther person in trouble, but it really is.

[FireDavidKahn]

This chick wasn't 9 years old. If she wanted to stop then that's what she should have done and actually moved away from him and left. Anyone who claims they were coerced into sex isn't ready for sex, period.
I don't think you get it. If a guy and girl start having sex consensually and then the girl wants to stop mid way through, but the guy keeps going, that can be considered rape in the courtroom.

[midatlantic09]

For example: Making out with a girl and then starting to reach into her pants, a girl may say "I don't know, I'm not sure if I want to do that." The guy simply saying "Come on, you know you want to. Come on." is considered coercing, and if she feels there is enough tone to make her feel unsafe in saying "No," that is legally rape. It is super hard to prove based simply on "he said, she said" though, which is why you never see those as convictions, but they do get into the early stages of courts, as Kobe's trial did.

All a chick has to do is move away if she's so unsure.

[midatlantic09]

I don't think you get it. If a guy and girl start having sex consensually and then the girl wants to stop mid way through, but the guy keeps going, that can be considered rape in the courtroom.

Then why didn't she move away???? Is she attached to him or something?? You get up and move away. I swear, society loves to baby grown women.

[Myth]

This chick wasn't 9 years old. If she wanted to stop then that's what she should have done and actually moved away from him and left. Anyone who claims they were coerced into sex isn't ready for sex, period. She was like 19 and old enough to actually speak up and move away if she had such a problem with things.

I'm going on the definition of rape, not what somebody "should have done." This is also why there are many girls who feel they were raped when the guys truly believe they did no wrong. If Kobe did do this, it is technically rape, but even rape has levels of severity, and this is obviously on the lower scale of severity. I'm guessing Kobe truly believes he is innocent even if he is not, because as you are demonstrating, many actually believe this is not rape.

[FireDavidKahn]

Then why didn't she move away???? Is she attached to him or something?? Yout up and move away. In my example I thought it was implied THAT THE GIRL WANTS TO STOP. If a girl wants to stop she isn't going to just sit there and let the guy continue.

[midatlantic09]

In my example I thought it was implied THAT THE GIRL WANTS TO STOP. If a girl wants to stop she isn't going to just sit there and let the guy continue.

Well then if she moves away completely, the session is over because she stopped it. What rape has occurred?

[KB2009Champ]

I thought this was a sports cite?

So threads actually about bball get deleted but this one gets to stay?

This site is trash.

[hawke812]

I don't think you get it. If a guy and girl start having sex consensually and then the girl wants to stop mid way through, but the guy keeps going, that can be considered rape in the courtroom.

50 no's and a yes = yes:lol

[FireDavidKahn]

Well then if she moves away completely, the session is over because she stopped it. What rape has occurred?
Oh my god your being dense. Again, if a guy and girl start having sex consensually and then the girl wants to stop, but the guy doesn't let her, that is considered rape.

[Myth]

Wll then if she moves away completely, the session is over because she stopped it. What rape has occurred?

Maybe she tried to push him away for a brief moment, and in that brief moment he held her a little stronger, which is all it takes for her to feel afraid because it demonstrates how much stronger and in control he is. I worked with domestic violence offenders for over a year, and this is a common form of control. It only takes something subtle to instill fear of repercussions when a man is so much stronger than the woman and she is already in his arms.

[Myth]

50 no's and a yes = yes:lol

:lol

[midatlantic09]

Maybe she tried to push him away for a brief moment, and in that brief moment he held her a little stronger, which is all it takes for her to feel afraid because it demonstrates how much stronger and in control he is. I worked with domestic violence offenders for over a year, and this is a common form of control. It only takes something subtle to instill fear of repercussions when a man is so much stronger than the woman and she is already in his arms.

Okay, so then scream out loud if you're so scared. This indecisiveness has no place in the bedroom. If a chick wants to stop that badly, she needs to be somewhat proactive and show the guy that she's dead serious about stopping. Society needs to stop babying these chicks.

[RoseCity07]

He raped her. Things like this don't get to court unless there is strong evidence. You think Kobe is the first player to be accused? This happens from time to time but you don't here about it because the find out the girl is lying right away.


A guy I play basketball with told me about some incidences with Kobe at the Benson Hotel in downtown Portland. Nothing ever came of it because the girls there was no evidence to move forward.

[midatlantic09]

He raped her. Things like this don't get to court unless there is strong evidence. You think Kobe is the first player to be accused? This happens from time to time but you don't here about it because the find out the girl is lying right away.

.

That's false. Rape cases go to court all the time solely based on the victims testimony and very little/no physical evidence.

[Myth]

Okay, so then scream out loud if you're so scared. This indecisiveness has no place in the bedroom. If a chick wants to stop that badly, she needs to be somewhat proactive and show the guy that she's dead serious about stopping. Society needs to stop babying these chicks.

I agree that she should be more of an advocate for herself, but that doesn't mean what he did couldn't be considered rape. And nobody is saying she was terrified, but potentially uncomfortable with the situation, and people often become passive when they are uncomfortable in a situation. This is why the laws are there to protect women, because sometimes they aren't comfortable enough to protect themselves.

[midatlantic09]

I agree that she should be more of an advocate for herself, but that doesn't mean what he did couldn't be considered rape. And nobody is saying she was terrified, but potentially uncomfortable with the situation, and people often become passive when they are uncomfortable in a situation. This is why the laws are there to protect women, because sometimes they aren't comfortable enough to protect themselves.

Well then why is it legal for them to have sex in the first place if they can't manage to take care of themselves? Are these grown women or 10 yr olds? Sounds like the law treats women like 10 year olds...I wonder why lol

[caliman]

He raped her. Things like this don't get to court unless there is strong evidence.


There wasn't strong evidence in the Kobe case. The judge in the preliminary trial even chided the prosecution for a weak case, but because of the low standards he was almost bound to make Kobe stand trial.

[Math2]

I'm with Kobe on it.

Chick was a slut. She didn't originally say rape...homegirls got in her ear about how famous Kobe was and it was suddenly rape

Agree. Most "rape" cases are bullshit to get money. Bet she sued once she saw his contract.

[RoseCity07]

That's false. Rape cases go to court all the time solely based on the victims testimony and very little/no physical evidence.

What does that mean? No evidence? What does very little mean? When do you see that. Link me to a story please. Find me a story where a guy goes to court with no evidence.

[Myth]

Well then why is it legal for them to have sex in the first place if they can't manage to take care of themselves? Are these grown women or 10 yr olds?

Do you really want it to be illegal to have sex with women? :lol

We are not saying that any sex with women should be illegal. But a woman should be able to feel 100% comfortable to say "no" and know that the sex will stop immediately (this applies to men too actually), and the man's only responsibility is to make sure that it is conveyed in some way (even just body language) that he would stop if she wants. If you have sex with a girl and she says "Stop" just once, you are supposed to stop. Instead, many guys say, "What? Why? Just let me finish real quick" and then he continues while she lets him even though she clearly said stop. I can easily see this being something Kobe did. It is a common response from men in general, and men who feel entitled are especially likely to put their own needs first. Kobe, and 99% of pro athletes, definitely fit the bill of possessing entitlement characteristics.

[midatlantic09]

What does that mean? No evidence? What does very little mean? When do you see that. Link me to a story please. Find me a story where a guy goes to court with no evidence.

I mean no DNA, no eyewitness other than the alleged victim and suspect, and no bumps/bruises. In fact, that college bball player down in OK was convicted of rape with no real evidence other than victim testimony. There was no DNA, no eyewitnesses, and no bruises or anything, but he still got convicted based on on victim testimony.

Here's a link to the case: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2018750606_apbkcoklahomastwilliamscharged.html

Scroll down about half-way where you'll see that the prosecutor had to rely on victim testimony.

[Myth]

Agree. Most "rape" cases are bullshit to get money. Bet she sued once she saw his contract.

Maybe most rape cases that are in the public eye that involve celebrities, but most rape cases do not have to do with getting money, it is about getting the guy jail time.

I do believe this girl was after Kobe's money. The amount she was going after does not equal justice for what potentially happened, it was way beyond justice, even if it was a mild case of rape. If Kobe wasn't rich and famous, she potentially would have felt it was rape still, but would not have gone after such a huge pay day.

[dude77]

Agree. Most "rape" cases are bullshit to get money. Bet she sued once she saw his contract.

over even worse .. so her friend(s) 'don't get upset with her' :eek:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5332343-504083.html

I should add .. she got married and had a kid after the guy went to prison .. she eventually got 3 yrs .. got out in less time I believe .. then was deported to her native domincan republic(don't know if husband and kid went along but I would presume so)

[RoseCity07]

I mean no DNA, no eyewitness other than the alleged victim and suspect, and no bumps/bruises. In fact, that college bball player down in OK was convicted of rape with no real evidence other than victim testimony. There was no DNA, no eyewitnesses, and no bruises or anything, but he still got convicted based on on victim testimony.

What world do you live in? No eye witnesses is considered having little or no evidence? You think most rapes happen with people watching?

Women in general are weaker than men. It's possible for a man to hold a woman down and not bruise her or intimidate her not to fight because she will get beaten or killed.

What if the rapist wears a condom? How much DNA evidence are you going to find? What if the woman waits to report it because she is traumatized? There might be no DNA evidence left? Does that mean the investigation should be over?

[midatlantic09]

Do you really want it to be illegal to have sex with women? :lol

We are not saying that any sex with women should be illegal. But a woman should be able to feel 100% comfortable to say "no" and know that the sex will stop immediately (this applies to men too actually), and the man's only responsibility is to make sure that it is conveyed in some way (even just body language) that he would stop if she wants. If you have sex with a girl and she says "Stop" just once, you are supposed to stop. Instead, many guys say, "What? Why? Just let me finish real quick" and then he continues while she lets him even though she clearly said stop. I can easily see this being something Kobe did. It is a common response from men in general, and men who feel entitled are especially likely to put their own needs first. Kobe, and 99% of pro athletes, definitely fit the bill of possessing entitlement characteristics.

Of course not, but society needs to stop treating women like 9 year olds. If a woman doesn't want to have sex, she should speak up and voice her thoughts with certainty instead of just sitting there being indecisive. Guys don't seem to have this problem, and since women are supposed to be equals, they shouldn't have a problem either.

Time to take off the kid gloves.

[Myth]

over even worse .. so her friend(s) 'don't get upset with her' :eek:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5332343-504083.html

I should add .. she got married and had a kid after the guy went to prison .. she eventually got 3 yrs .. got out in less time I believe .. then was deported to her native domincan republic(don't know if husband and kid went along but I would presume so)

What a bitch. I didn't read the whole article, but she needs to go to jail for 10+ years and compensate that guy financially. Any amount she can't cover that he should get should come from the courts that convicted him IMO.

[BuGzBuNNy]

Rich
Famous
Good looking

It'd make no sense for him to rape anyone considering how easy it is for him to get some. I mean, not like he'd think he could get away with it lol. He'd have to have some type of mental condition to do so.

[Tenchi Ryu]

What if the woman waits to report it because she is traumatized?
Pretty sure a traumatized victim isn't going to brag and fukk more penises...or at least she shouldn't.

[midatlantic09]

What world do you live in? No eye witnesses is considered having little or no evidence? You think most rapes happen with people watching?

Women in general are weaker than men. It's possible for a man to hold a woman down and not bruise her or intimidate her not to fight because she will get beaten or killed.

What if the rapist wears a condom? How much DNA evidence are you going to find? What if the woman waits to report it because she is traumatized? There might be no DNA evidence left? Does that mean the investigation should be over?

Look, if there's no DNA, no eyewitnesses, and no bruises, then the alleged suspect should be let free immediately. I'm not ruining a guys life over some he said, she said.

[Myth]

Of course not, but society needs to stop treating women like 9 year olds. If a woman doesn't want to have sex, she should speak up and voice her thoughts with certainty instead of just sitting there being indecisive. Guys don't seem to have this problem, and since women are supposed to be equals, they shouldn't have a problem either.

Time to take off the kid gloves.

They are not physically equal in most situations. In some situations, girls feel that if they don't speak up and voice their thoughts, they could be in some serious danger (Note: I'm not referring specifically to Kobe). Guys don't have this problem because they can usually throw a woman off of them if need be. Again, I do agree that women should be advocates for themselves and speak up rather than assume they are in serious danger until there is a more obvious threat, but to me, the debate here is not what the laws should be and what women should do, but what happened in comparison to what rape is presently considered.

[RoseCity07]

Look, if there's no DNA, no eyewitnesses, and no bruises, then the alleged suspect should be let free immediately. I'm not ruining a guys life over some he said, she said.

Great. If your mom gets raped by a rapist who wears a condom and does it with no one around and scares her to not fight back, I hope they let him go.

[Myth]

Look, if there's no DNA, no eyewitnesses, and no bruises, then the alleged suspect should be let free immediately. I'm not ruining a guys life over some he said, she said.

In most situations the guy will be let go without evidence, but an investigation at the least is warranted.

[dude77]

What a bitch. I didn't read the whole article, but she needs to go to jail for 10+ years and compensate that guy financially. Any amount she can't cover that he should get should come from the courts that convicted him IMO.


I agree, especially since they deported her so he's not getting much from her anyways

[midatlantic09]

They are not physically equal in most situations. In some situations, girls feel that if they don't speak up and voice their thoughts, they could be in some serious danger (Note: I'm not referring specifically to Kobe). Guys don't have this problem because they can usually throw a woman off of them if need be. Again, I do agree that women should be advocates for themselves and speak up rather than assume they are in serious danger until there is a more obvious threat, but to me, the debate here is not what the laws should be and what women should do, but what happened in comparison to what rape is presently considered.

Then why even jump in the bed with a guy you believe is violent or has violent tendencies?? Stop babying these chicks and let them assume some responsibility for a change.

[Myth]

Rich
Famous
Good looking

It'd make no sense for him to rape anyone considering how easy it is for him to get some. I mean, not like he'd think he could get away with it lol. He'd have to have some type of mental condition to do so.

Kobe probably did nothing he thought was considered extremely inappropriate, but he potentially did something minor that he thought had no chance of coming back and biting him in the ass.

[midatlantic09]

Great. If your mom gets raped by a rapist who wears a condom and does it with no one around and scares her to not fight back, I hope they let him go.

..

[Myth]

Then why even jump in the bed with a guy you believe is violent or has violent tendencies?? Stop babying these chicks and let them assume some responsibility for a change.

It is also possible that they were coerced and afraid before jumping in bed with them, or that there were no signs of aggression until they were halfway through the deed and she changed her mind.

[dude77]

midatlantic .. men and women are not equal and it's not 'us against them' :facepalm .. you've fallen for the feminism propaganda .. good job

[Myth]

I'd handle it myself. No need for the criminal justice system in that case.

And then you go to jail because the criminal justice system didn't do its part in the first place.

[midatlantic09]

midatlantic .. men and women are not equal and it's not 'us against them' :facepalm .. you've fallen for the feminism propaganda .. good job

I'm not saying it's us against them. I'm saying many people treat these chicks like they are a bunch of 5 year olds and it's ridiculous. These are supposed to be grown women who can make their own decisions and voice their own opinions. There's too much babying going on.

[RoseCity07]

I'd handle it myself. No need for the criminal justice system in that case.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/508/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png

[Myth]

midatlantic .. men and women are not equal and it's not 'us against them' :facepalm .. you've fallen for the feminism propaganda .. good job

Yeah, he has definitely not fallen for the feminism propaganda. He is definitely in the anti-feminist point of view trying to use their argument against them.

[midatlantic09]

And then you go to jail because the criminal justice system didn't do its part in the first place.

..

[Myth]

I'm not saying it's us against them. I'm saying many people treat these chicks like they are a bunch of 5 year olds and it's ridiculous. These are supposed to be grown women who can make their own decisions and voice their own opinions. There's too much babying going on.

The laws are in place as they are so that women don't have to do anything extreme to get out of bad situations that would elevate the danger of the situation.

For example, domestic violence laws have become more protective of women over the years, and when those laws changed, less men were actually murdered by their wives. This is because in the past, the laws did nothing to help women unless situations were severe, and the women resulted in extreme reactions, which puts everybody in a more dangerous situation.

Heck, even your solution to the comment about your mom being raped was you taking the law into your own hands. The justice system has failed if everybody has to result to extreme tactics to protect themselves rather than having men think "I don't want to get in trouble, so I should be less aggressive."

[Myth]

You have to get caught in order for that to happen. Good luck tying me to anything.

That is the same mentality that rapists could use. Do you not see the flaw in your logic? :lol

[midatlantic09]

That is the same mentality that rapists could use. Do you not see the flaw in your logic? :lol

Well, if a rapist is smart enough to outsmart the system, then there's nothing that can be done. I realize victim testimony is supposed to be evidence, but anyone can claim or say anything. I'd need physical evidence to convict someone of rape as that's something that would ruin a person's life.

[Myth]

Well, if a rapist is smart enough to outsmart the system, then there's nothing that can be done.

Wow. Just wow.

That sounds a lot like, "If you can get away with rape, then go for it."

[Myth]

I may check back later, but my focus is turning to the Tunisia/USA game.

[midatlantic09]

Wow. Just wow.

That sounds a lot like, "If you can get away with rape, then go for it."
Not at all, but I wouldn't convict without physical evidence of some sort. Too many lives have been destroyed because of he said, she said.

[Deuce Bigalow]

This. When you reach the status of Kobe, you'll have women kissing your feet. Too many options in the world to have to rape a chick that's wasn't even that hot. This was simply an extortion scheme that failed.
Yep. This is what I've always thought. He's Kobe Bryant, You think he needs to rape a girl to get sex? lol right.

I've always argued this to one of my high school teachers a while ago, he is a Kobe hater and said that Kobe thinks he's above the law and can do whateever he wants so that is why he raped her. :confusedshrug: Haters gonna hate

[CavaliersFTW]

guilty

[dude77]

Yeah, he has definitely not fallen for the feminism propaganda. He is definitely in the anti-feminist point of view trying to use their argument against them.

but that argument, that we're equal etc etc(feminist based) is erroneous .. and midatlantic believes it, according to his posts

[KevinNYC]

This again? lol

1. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty.

2. She changed her story three times.

3. Her panties were soiled by another man's sperm.

4. She bragged about sleeping with Kobe Bryant to friends at a party.

5. She refused to testify, this was after she changed her story for the last time.

6. Her behavior does not match a typicial rape victim. If you study rape cases and behavioral patterns of women who were raped, you will realize this is pretty bogus.

7. Her behavior matches an extortionist.

This does not prove that Kobe is innocent but it does prove that he had sex, not that he raped her. It was certainly consensual. No one knows but Kobe, that Colorado Chick, and God. According to those facts, I'm guessing the liar is most likely her, not Kobe.


When I joined ISH, I would see the Kobe is a rapist thing come up all the time. I didn't really follow the trial at the time and I thought maybe he did get away with it. So I looked into what actually went down and it's pretty clear it was consensual sex that sometime afterwards she regretted. In particular, she didn't like how he wanted to finish after he pulled out of her. No rape occurred.

The woman definitely seemed to have personal problems as well. She was hospitalized as a danger to herself and also admitted misleading the cops about some of the stuff she told them. On top of all this she refused to testify.

[dude77]

Not at all, but I wouldn't convict without physical evidence of some sort. Too many lives have been destroyed because of he said, she said.


I agree with this .. it has to be more balanced when it comes to these cases .. they need to make it so that the woman isn't afraid of coming forward but also so that they have to make sure they have sufficient evidence against the perp .. just look at the example I posted .. that guy lost 5 yrs of his life because some 'little girl' didn't want to upset her friends

[juju151111]

I must of raped a lot of girls in my time because when they say omg stop I keep going. I thought they like that shit.

[NOHCP3]

I say probably rough ass sex. Rough enough to where Kobe said to his lawyer: "pay her anything".

[DCL]

he probably forced it in

[NOHCP3]

I must of raped a lot of girls in my time because when they say omg stop I keep going. I thought they like that shit.

You going to jail :roll: :roll:

[KevinNYC]

Here is where I stand:
-Kobe definitely cheated on his wife, so no matter what this is not a good sign of character
-I do not think Kobe did the traditional forced sex
-I believe that Kobe likely did some shady stuff that is technically rape, like not stopping when the girl indicated she didn't want to continue. It was likely in that grey area where Kobe truly believes it was not rape, but the girl did not feel completely comfortable to give proper consent.
-I believe that once the girl realized she was not completely comfortable with the situation, she didn't go for justice, she went for money.

The smoking gun has the police file online including the Kobe interview with the cops. He offers to take a lie detector test and offers the name of woman who he was having an affair with and says she would be able to back up his story that he does the same stuff with her.

Maybe it's because I knew while reading it the woman had credibility issues, but it does not read like a man who is guilty. She asked for his autograph afterwards. He did however first lie to the cops, I think you can read that as man very concerned for his image and his career and, in fact, he uses those terms. But he seemed very surprised the allegation came from this woman when the cops first mention it and he did agree to a lie detector test.

The single piece of evidence that convinces me, is that, the tests showed none of Kobe's semen? So he decides to rape her but doesn't finish? Doesn't seem logical.

Also the lack of semen backs up what Kobe told the cops, that she said to stop, he stopped, but asked to finish on her and she said no. Kobe said he finished himself off later. The affadavit says "[REDACTED---more than two whole lines---REDACTED] ejaculated inside her." Is that Kobe or another person underneath that redaction? Also Kobe mentions that there was a brief period of oral sex. She did not tell the cops about this. She told a nurse that she had oral sex with Kobe AFTER the assault and the nurse told the cops.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/kobe-bryant-police-interview

[KevinNYC]

I say probably rough ass sex. Rough enough to where Kobe said to his lawyer: "pay her anything".

Nobody alleged any **** sex occurred during this incident, not the woman, not the cops, not Kobe.

[hawke812]

I must of raped a lot of girls in my time because when they say omg stop I keep going. I thought they like that shit.

Exactly. If the woman cums, it is not rape. Even if she says it was afterwards. Read the bible, go to church. God bless you.

[swi7ch]

It was probably consensual. But the girl planned it all along for money. Heck, I'd do it too if I were in his position. Money > *

[bruceblitz]

First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.

I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado. - Kobe

According to rape shield law, we shouldn't have known the girl's name. Why would anyone post this topic on a public site that shows up in google searches? Kobe's done his best to get past his (self admitted mistake) and the girl faced upwards of 80 death threats and was forced to go into hiding due to fear for her life (that's why she didn't testify).

The case never went to trial but the state of Colorado was prepared to spend 200,000 dollars on a trial. Draw your own conclusions. Either way, did he do it? Did he not do it? It was something that happened a long ass time ago and you people need to let this shit go. Anyone who holds a mistake from Kobe's past against him needs to get off their high horse.

According to Kobe himself there was some form of miscommunication between the two. Rape wounds cannot be staged, ask any medical examiner. So those of you bloviating about Kobe's ***** size need to get your heads checked. Another layer to the story is that Kobe's bodyguard, (who he later claimed wasn't his bodyguard), was plotting to kill the accuser but was arrested prior to his execution of his plan. (http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/kobe-bryants-bodyguard-patrick-graber-tell-all-book-about-the-rape/602)

Mistakes were probably made by both sides, but if that was you in the situation would you want this shit constantly coming up? It's from 9 years ago!

Let it go, move on. Go make some money or something. What a waste of time. TMZ bull shit. Kudos to Kobe for rising above the entire situation.

On July 16, 2012 Kobe Bryant told Graham Bensinger:
Kobe Bryant says his rape case in Eagle, CO helped him grow as a person ... saying he not only learned a lot about himself ... but matured in the process.

There are more layers to the Kobe Colorado situation than we will ever know. Only a miniscule amount of facts come out in pre-trial, the case never went to trial, the girl went into witness protection. Leave it alone, Kobe was never proven guilty, and nobody should bring it up in this manner.

Final statement: none of you have access to an evidence room, nor do any of you have context when it pertains to each and every interview that was conducted. Who died and made all of you God? Learn to separate one's personal life from professional life.

You are not detectives, so it doesn't matter what you think.
http://fast1.onesite.com/wwe.thq.com/profile/therock/carousel.png

Peace.

[bdreason]

I don't believe kobe raped, or has the need to rape any women. He slept with the wrong groupie that decided to make a money grab. That's my stance on the Kobe rape allegation.

[riseagainst]

he wasn't convicted, can you just let it go?

[DaHeezy]

Not speaking from the Kobe perspective, I'm speaking on the male perspective in defense of Kobe.
Girls are opportunistic. Especially the ones who would put themselves into a situation.

[madmax17]

Tyson did it. The way he talked about women, also had 'problems' with his coaches daughter or niece when he was a kid.

[Jax]

As guilty as Mike Tyson, and I'll leave it at that. Only difference is Kobe is fake as shizz.

[DKLaker]

i'm a kobe fan and i'l admit... by law he did infact rape her

it doesnt matter if its brutal rape or accidental. the same classification is used for all forms


what was defined by the statement of kate faber was "they had consensual sex. she agreed to have it. they were in the middle of it and she had a injury wanted to stop because of it. ( she needed stitches to fix it ) so kobe while bending her over kept going and finished. she didnt fight against him. she just said "no" "stop" and kept taking his manhood

after they finished she left. bragged about it at a party. and it was found out she had semen stains from 3 other men on her underwear.



so in the end. we can see where kobes coming from. because anyone whos had bum sex will testify that a woman feels some pain and does say "omg no" at times. a man usually keeps going


but under the definition of law. it is rape if the women asks to stop and you dont pull out right away


so by definition. kobe did rape her. but they settled out of court and he is not a convicted rapist. only accused.

Complete bullsh!t, the truth is that he hit it and then told her afterwards that he didn't want to continue seeing her so she got mad.
It's not rape, it's remorse after the fact.
Nasty slut had sex with someone else before and after Kobe.....right before going to the hospital....anyone who believes anything the skank says is an idiot.

[Lebron23]

Ok

[zeerghit]

Ok
ok little buddy why u bumping this kinda threads? whats the point u f*cking midget?

[Jasper]

Yes.

Kobe have raped IMO. He just brought his way out of it with $$$$.

/B]

this covers it , sure he was a republican , learn to use money as well as people.

[John8204]

History tends to out this stuff, Kobe much like Woody Allen and Michael Jackson were most likely innocent. Rape and child molestation are pathological things that don't likely just once. If were to go by odds

Woody Allen 100%
Kobe 90%
Ben Roethlisberger 90%
Michael Jackson 80%
Mike Tyson 60%
Bill Clinton 60%
Donald Trump 5%
Bill Cosby 0%

[3ba11]

probably half of women have had experiences that fall into this grey area of consensual vs rape

there is a grey area.

girls don't always speak up and guys aren't mind-readers.... submissiveness is often mistook for consent and/or desire

I think that's what happened here.. Kobe wanted to stick it in her ass, and she was hesitant and didn't say yay or nay.. so kobe went ahead... found out later that he raped her and read her mind wrong.

[Axe]

Unethical.

[Baller789]

Kobe is gone already.

Jeeez!