Have There Been Any Superstars with Less Achievements than Tmac?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Did this guy ever win anything?

[AK47DR91]

Most Improved Player

[Heavincent]

Steve Francis?

[RRR3]

T-Mac>LeBron.


Get mad OP

[kaiteng]

Vince Carter?

[yanix]

2 times scoring champ

[SilkkTheShocker]

T-Mac>LeBron.


Get mad OP
Your favorite player is a half-hearted loser. I would upset also if I were you.

[AK47DR91]

Vince Carter?Slam Dunk Champion
Rookie of the Year

Steve Francis?
co-Rookie of the Year winner

[Heavincent]

Vince Carter?

Vince Carter has had more playoff success. Peak T-Mac is probably a bit better than peak VC though.

[RRR3]

Your favorite player is a half-hearted loser. I would upset also if I were you.
Your favorite rapper is a poor man's Master P :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Steve Francis?
Yea probably him. Did pistol Pete ever win anything in the nba? He is probably up there also

[SilkkTheShocker]

Vince Carter?
Vince lead a team to the 2nd round. Also won ROY and dunk contest

[lilgodfather1]

To be fair it's not like TMac was a true superstar. For a four year stretch he was great, but injuries would take their toll on anyone. A true superstar is someone like Shaq, LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, who all dominated for a long long time. TMac was headed there, but couldn't stay on the court to do it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Your favorite rapper is a poor man's Master P :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Silkk did more with less than Tmac ever could. Which is sad because Tmac had top 10 player talent.

[RRR3]

To be fair it's not like TMac was a true superstar. For a four year stretch he was great, but injuries would take their toll on anyone. A true superstar is someone like Shaq, LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, who all dominated for a long long time. TMac was headed there, but couldn't stay on the court to do it.
T-Mac was a true superstar from 2001 to 2005, yes. After that he was still a star but not a real superstar. I really wish people would look at the context of T-Mac's career, particularly during his Orlando years, he almost always played well in the playoffs but then again morons like Shitthe********** don't let facts get in their way :rolleyes: :facepalm

[AK47DR91]

Yea probably him. Did pistol Pete ever win anything in the nba? He is probably up there alsoMight be him.

Maravich did not win any individual NBA award during his playing days.

[RRR3]

Silkk did more with less than Tmac ever could. Which is sad because Tmac had top 10 player talent.
T-Mac had GOAT talent. And dafuq did Silkk ever do? No one even cares about him except you :roll: Probably 200 better rappers out there

[dajadeed]

True Story:

Orlando goes to play the Lakers. Kobe is playing with a bum shoulder and a shoulder brace, on his right shoulder. Orlando is up big. Kobe takes over. 24 points in the 4th quarter... and he locked down TMac.

After the game McGrady was pissed off about the officiating and commented to Orlando's gm about it. The GM got pissed off at TMac and realized then and there that he didn't have the fire or drive to really do jack shit.

Yeah, TMac with a great work ethic should have been a legend. He said it himself, he wasn't a "practice" player.

[SilkkTheShocker]

T-Mac had GOAT talent. And dafuq did Silkk ever do? No one even cares about him except you :roll: Probably 200 better rappers out there
You're the one that brought Silkk up. I don't blame you though. If my favorite player was Tmac I would be probably be an expert at deflecting also

[dajadeed]

I really wish people would look at the context of T-Mac's career, particularly during his Orlando years, he almost always played well in the playoffs but then again morons like Shitthe********** don't let facts get in their way :rolleyes: :facepalm

Not a sure a TMac fan should ever bring up the playoffs. Like, EVER.

If you go your entire career without getting out of the 1st round, it doesn't matter if you averaged 50/20/20.

But thanks for the :oldlol: of bringing up the playoffs and TMac.

[SilkkTheShocker]

True Story:

Orlando goes to play the Lakers. Kobe is playing with a bum shoulder and a shoulder brace, on his right shoulder. Orlando is up big. Kobe takes over. 24 points in the 4th quarter... and he locked down TMac.

After the game McGrady was pissed off about the officiating and commented to Orlando's gm about it. The GM got pissed off at TMac and realized then and there that he didn't have the fire or drive to really do jack shit.

Yeah, TMac with a great work ethic should have been a legend. He said it himself, he wasn't a "practice" player.
:cheers: Appreciate the story

[RRR3]

Not a sure a TMac fan should ever bring up the playoffs. Like, EVER.

If you go your entire career without getting out of the 1st round, it doesn't matter if you averaged 50/20/20.

But thanks for the :oldlol: of bringing up the playoffs and TMac.
I'm also a LeBron fan and I get to enjoy watching haters like you make excuses when he wins :hammertime: :dancin:

I didn't get to see T-Mac win, but I get to see LBj win :rockon: :pimp:

[SilkkTheShocker]

I'm also a LeBron fan and I get to enjoy watching haters like you make excuses when he wins :hammertime: :dancin:

I didn't get to see T-Mac win, but I get to see LBj win :rockon: :pimp:
The Lebron fans on this board kicked you out. You can cheer for Tmac full time now coming off the Bulls bench.

[StateOfMind12]

Vince lead a team to the 2nd round. Also won ROY and dunk contest
He also went to the ECF when he was paired up with an elite Center in Dwight Howard. Tmac got to play with an elite Center in Yao Ming from '05-'08 and he still couldn't get past the 1st round or do anything. The only time the Rockets did get past the 1st round was in 2009 when Tracy McGrady was out and injured for the playoffs.

The answer is no, there has never been a superstar that has achieved less unless you consider Melo a superstar then I would I say him but I don't consider Melo a superstar so the answer is no one.

[RRR3]

The Lebron fans on this board kicked you out. You can cheer for Tmac full time now coming off the Bulls bench.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Pretty sure most of the other LeBron fans think you're a retard

[dajadeed]

Not sure what making excuses for a winner means.

[lilgodfather1]

T-Mac had GOAT talent. And dafuq did Silkk ever do? No one even cares about him except you :roll: Probably 200 better rappers out there
No offense to silktheposter, but there are likely 200 better rappers on this board alone.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No offense to silktheposter, but there are likely 200 better rappers on this board alone.

LOL

[L.Kizzle]

He also went to the ECF when he was paired up with an elite Center in Dwight Howard. Tmac got to play with an elite Center in Yao Ming from '05-'08 and he still couldn't get past the 1st round or do anything. The only time the Rockets did get past the 1st round was in 2009 when Tracy McGrady was out and injured for the playoffs.

The answer is no, there has never been a superstar that has achieved less unless you consider Melo a superstar then I would I say him but I don't consider Melo a superstar so the answer is no one.
You fail to bring up[ that Rockets was was the best McGrady ever played with. Yao was healthy, we got Artest and the young guys in Scola, Brooks and Hayes had greatly improved from last season.

Maravich did less, one less scoring titles, 2 less All-NBA and All-Star games.

[SilkkTheShocker]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Pretty sure most of the other LeBron fans think you're a retard
Don't really care what anyone on this board thinks. I come here to talk basketball. Anyone that lets this cite affect their normal life has some serious issues

[RRR3]

You fail to bring up[ that Rockets was was the best McGrady ever played with. Yao was healthy, we got Artest and the young guys in Scola, Brooks and Hayes had greatly improved from last season.

Maravich did less, one less scoring titles, 2 less All-NBA and All-Star games.
He's still butthurt that the "Man of his dreams" (Yao) was always second to T-Mac.:lol

[StateOfMind12]

You fail to bring up[ that Rockets was was the best McGrady ever played with. Yao was healthy, we got Artest and the young guys in Scola, Brooks and Hayes had greatly improved from last season.
In the 2009 season...

Without McGrady, the Rockets were 33-14
With McGrady, the Rockets were 20-15.

So really, McGrady was not doing that 2009 Rockets team a favor by any means and they more than likely would have gotten knocked out of the 1st round again had McGrady continued to play.

People say all the time that the Blazers was a good matchup for the Rockets but they wouldn't have gotten that matchup if Mcgrady continued to play because the Rockets would have gotten a much worse and lower seed like 6-8 range and they would have lost in the 1st round again as always.

McGrady has no excuses, it's plain and simple.

[SilkkTheShocker]

No offense to silktheposter, but there are likely 200 better rappers on this board alone.
I respect your opinion. :cheers: Plus, that was pretty funny :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

He's still butthurt that the "Man of his dreams" (Yao) was always second to T-Mac.:lol
Yao was getting MVP consideration in 07 before he missed some games. The fact they made the 2nd round without him turns your argument to shit

[RRR3]

Silk and RG=
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/katie_the_sith/ZACHGAY.gif

[StateOfMind12]

Yao was getting MVP consideration in 07 before he missed some games. The fact they made the 2nd round without him turns your argument to shit
They use to get comparison to Shaq and Kobe when Tmac was first traded to Houston. I never thought the comparison was accurate but I do believe this part of the comparison is accurate.

When the Lakers ran their offense through Kobe instead of Shaq, they would fail and they fail to reach their goals and achieve what they are suppose to which was to win a title.

Same thing with the Rockets.

When the Rockets ran their offense through Tmac instead of Yao, they would also fail and fail to reach their goals which was to win a playoff series or go a little further.

Rockets run through offense through Yao full time in 2009 and they finally get past the 1st round but then Yao got hurt again in the 2nd round.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Silk and RG=
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/katie_the_sith/ZACHGAY.gif
Do you always post homosexual gifs when you get destroyed in debates? Is there something you need to tell us?

[#number6ix#]

Tmac=Carmelo

[L.Kizzle]

In the 2009 season...

Without McGrady, the Rockets were 33-14
With McGrady, the Rockets were 20-15.

So really, McGrady was not doing that 2009 Rockets team a favor by any means and they more than likely would have gotten knocked out of the 1st round again had McGrady continued to play.

People say all the time that the Blazers was a good matchup for the Rockets but they wouldn't have gotten that matchup if Mcgrady continued to play because the Rockets would have gotten a much worse and lower seed like 6-8 range and they would have lost in the 1st round again as always.

McGrady has no excuses, it's plain and simple.
Well yeah, he was injured the whole season. They were playin 4 on 5 when he suited up. He did us no good by playin (beside like the first 5 games when he was healthy I believe.)

[StateOfMind12]

Well yeah, he was injured the whole season. They were playin 4 on 5 when he suited up. He did us no good by playin (beside like the first 5 games when he was healthy I believe.)
He was past his prime by then just like VC was in 2010 where he and his team got to the ECF.

The thread was about comparing their comparisons not comparing how good they were and who ranks higher. I probably have McGrady higher just because he peaked higher than VC did and VC never accomplished anything special. He did accomplish more than Tmac did though but accomplishments are used for tiebreakers as I have always said.

[ncrizzle]

Didnt he lead the rockets to a 22 game winning streak, the 2nd largest in history? Its not an mvp, but its still a nice thing on his resume

[WockaVodka]

Didnt he lead the rockets to a 22 game winning streak, the 2nd largest in history? Its not an mvp, but its still a nice thing on his resume
You might as well have added the time he scored 13 points 35 seconds.

The question of this thread is controversial because a lot of people have different definitions of what a superstar is and who superstars were.

[Zedja]

Silk, you're ass is just mad that TMac is more of a winner than your sorry ass is :lol :lol

[BlackVVaves]

What's with the sudden burst of T-Mac anguish? We know, he was an under-achiever, had a bad attitude. We were there watching his career unfold too.

[Euroleague]

Nope.

[gasolina]

The t-mac 2's by itself made up for all the disappointment :rockon:

[SilkkTheShocker]

The t-mac 2's by itself made up for all the disappointment :rockon:


T-Mac 2s were amazing shoes. Had a pair of the all-star blue ones and white with black/red stripes.

[DCL]

remember when people were having heated debates on who was better -- kobe or tmac?

believe it or not, that used to be a legitimate discussion. VC was in that mix of discussion as well. and of course, AI.

[kNIOKAS]

to sum up, Tmac is MIP and two times scoring champ? or did I miss something else

[NumberSix]

Melo

[Blue&Orange]

Your favorite player is a half-hearted loser. I would upset also if I were you.
Once upon a time there was this player that it wasn't just a superstar it was "THE" superstar. He team up with a top3 and a top15 player because he just didn't cut it, and in the first try he did the most epic choke job on the finals ever, the second time he was so scared that he benched himself on the decisive minutes of the decisive game, because of a cramp :oldlol:, to go along with his 4th quarter chocking.

Ped's and teaming up wasn't enough for this guy, he needed to be carried by the refs... wwe style.


This guy is a winner !!! :lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

Once upon a time there was this player that it wasn't just a superstar it was "THE" superstar. He team up with a top3 and a top15 player because he just didn't cut it, and in the first try he did the most epic choke job on the finals ever, the second time he was so scared that he benched himself on the decisive minutes of the decisive game, because of a cramp :oldlol:, to go along with his 4th quarter chocking.

Ped's and teaming up wasn't enough for this guy, he needed to be carried by the refs... wwe style.


This guy is a winner !!! :lol


Lebron James: 2x All-Star Game MVP, 3x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 03-04 ROY, 08 Scoring Champion

Carmelo Anthony: Worst playoff winning percentage in NBA History

[coin24]

Once upon a time there was this player that it wasn't just a superstar it was "THE" superstar. He team up with a top3 and a top15 player because he just didn't cut it, and in the first try he did the most epic choke job on the finals ever, the second time he was so scared that he benched himself on the decisive minutes of the decisive game, because of a cramp :oldlol:, to go along with his 4th quarter chocking.

Ped's and teaming up wasn't enough for this guy, he needed to be carried by the refs... wwe style.


This guy is a winner !!! :lol

:applause: :applause: :lol :lol

[riseagainst]

T-Mac>LeBron.


Get mad OP

:bowdown: truth :lol

[Lebron23]

:bowdown: truth :lol

Horrible g1mmick account. LeBron already won a Finals MVP at age 27 yrs.old. He will surpass your 35 yrs.old favorite player next season.

[riseagainst]

Horrible g1mmick account. LeBron already won a Finals MVP at age 27 yrs.old. He will surpass your 35 yrs.old favorite player next season.

lol. I'm no sock puppet. I simply state the TRUTH. And no Lebron will not be surpassing my fav player next season because he has to get past Hakeem, Duncan and Shaq first.

[Lebron23]

lol. I'm no sock puppet. I simply state the TRUTH. And no Lebron will not be surpassing my fav player next season because he has to get past Hakeem, Duncan and Shaq first.

Kobe is a top 9 player of all time. He only won 2 Finals MVP, and 1 Lifetime Achievement Award MVP. His career Finals averaged is 25 ppg on 40 FG%.

[riseagainst]

Kobe is a top 7 player of all time. He only won 2 Finals MVP, was a huge contributor to the laker's 3peat, and 1 MVP and robbed of 2 other MVPs.
fixed

[knickswin]

*fewer* achievements

[HardwoodLegend]

In the 2009 season...

Without McGrady, the Rockets were 33-14
With McGrady, the Rockets were 20-15.

So really, McGrady was not doing that 2009 Rockets team a favor by any means and they more than likely would have gotten knocked out of the 1st round again had McGrady continued to play.

People say all the time that the Blazers was a good matchup for the Rockets but they wouldn't have gotten that matchup if Mcgrady continued to play because the Rockets would have gotten a much worse and lower seed like 6-8 range and they would have lost in the 1st round again as always.

McGrady has no excuses, it's plain and simple.

T-Mac does have excuses. I know some don't want to hear it and may call it a "cop-out", but he simply did have a lot of bad luck. Wrong place, wrong time.

Yao didn't do anything particularly special in that series to advance against the Blazers. The Rockets had just assembled all the right pieces that season and were fortunate to be against a lesser opponent. Had T-Mac not been on the decline that year with all the debilitating injuries and at least retained his 2005 form, he would have advanced with them.

Yao was finally able to stay on the floor past 31 minutes, a luxury T-Mac didn't have that year when he was at his Houston best.

[RRR3]

Truth is , if people actually looked at T-Mac's career more closely, they'd see that he did in fact seemingly have shitty ass luck. I'm not even joking, dude was always in bad situations in terms of building his legacy, although admittedly he should have had a better work ethic. Let's not forget he was born with mild scoliosis though. Very few perimeter stars in history would have done better than T-Mac did with those horrible Magic teams. With the Rockets, he was only in his prime in 2005, as hardwood said, and again, he usually still did well in the playoffs. I think I've heard good arguments about the Jazz series (forget the year 07 perhaps) being a series where T-mac could be blamed for the loss, and that's fine, but let's not act like T-Mac didn't do what he could during his prime years. His career is very sad considering what he could have been. And this bullshit about T-Mac being "unable" to make the second round is retarded, how on earth is it his fault that the Hawks got jobbed by the refs (the NBA even apologized to them for christ's sake) this year when he's a goddamn role player at this point? :banghead: He should have been in the 2nd round this year:coleman:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Truth is , if people actually looked at T-Mac's career more closely, they'd see that he did in fact seemingly have shitty ass luck. I'm not even joking, dude was always in bad situations in terms of building his legacy, although admittedly he should have had a better work ethic. Let's not forget he was born with mild scoliosis though. Very few perimeter stars in history would have done better than T-Mac did with those horrible Magic teams. With the Rockets, he was only in his prime in 2005, as hardwood said, and again, he usually still did well in the playoffs. I think I've heard good arguments about the Jazz series (forget the year 07 perhaps) being a series where T-mac could be blamed for the loss, and that's fine, but let's not act like T-Mac didn't do what he could during his prime years. His career is very sad considering what he could have been. And this bullshit about T-Mac being "unable" to make the second round is retarded, how on earth is it his fault that the Hawks got jobbed by the refs (the NBA even apologized to them for christ's sake) this year when he's a goddamn role player at this point? :banghead: He should have been in the 2nd round this year:coleman:



Cliff notes for those that didn't read: A bunch of excuses for Tmac failing.

[RRR3]

This message is hidden because SilkkTheShocker is on your ignore list.
:hammertime: :dancin :hammertime:

[riseagainst]

the only thing i remember about t-mac is his 13 in 33.

[SilkkTheShocker]

P.ussy :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

the only thing i remember about t-mac is his 13 in 33.


You obviously have a bad memory. You forgot about all the failing he did. Im guessing your faulty memory has something to do with your mother s.hitting you out in that empty dumpster.

[riseagainst]

You obviously have a bad memory. You forgot about all the failing he did. Im guessing your faulty memory has something to do with your mother s.hitting you out in that empty dumpster.

Lebronytes have to resort to personal attacks these days in order to insult a player. :lol

[HardwoodLegend]

Cliff notes for those that didn't read: A bunch of excuses for Tmac failing.

They can't be dismissed flippantly as excuses not worth noting.

They are disadvantages. Basketball is a team game, and compared to many other superstars T-Mac has been disadvantaged with the teams surrounding him. I have hard time simply saying "T-Mac failed" when I look at how he performed in those playoffs.

[Lebron23]

Lebronytes have to resort to personal attacks these days in order to insult a player. :lol


Reigny Mode.

T-Mac will be a future 2nd or 3rd ballot hall of famer. He's probably the unluckiest player in NBA history.

[RRR3]

Damn, Silkk must be madder than a shit-house rat :eek:

[riseagainst]

Reigny Mode.

T-Mac will be a future 2nd or 3rd ballot hall of famer. He's probably the unluckiest player in NBA history.

If i was reigny I would've written a huge paragraph suspecting everyone to be sock puppet accounts. I used Lebronyte because i think it's a funny word because xxx stans/homers are used too much.


Damn, Silkk must be madder than a shit-house rat :eek:


You obviously have a bad memory. You forgot about all the failing he did. Im guessing your faulty memory has something to do with your mother s.hitting you out in that empty dumpster.
:lol :lol

[RRR3]

Reigny Mode.

T-Mac will be a future 2nd or 3rd ballot hall of famer. He's probably the unluckiest player in NBA history.
:cheers: fakk silkk we're kicking him out of thlebron fans, inc.:lol

[Lebron23]

:cheers: fakk silkk we're kicking him out of thlebron fans, inc.:lol


He's a lying F@ggot.

[SilkkTheShocker]

He's Rocketsgreatness.


Please stop sending me private messages to "rep you back", f.ag. Get out of your s.hitty Filipino mudhouse and do something productive.

[riseagainst]

Please stop sending me private messages to "rep you back", f.ag. Get out of your s.hitty Filipino mudhouse and do something productive.

:lol

[Lebron23]

Please stop sending me private messages to "rep you back", f.ag. Get out of your s.hitty Filipino mudhouse and do something productive.

Weak Insults. Your averaging 36 ppd with your primary account. Go outside and stop acting like an internet tough guy.

[Heavincent]

Please stop sending me private messages to "rep you back", f.ag. Get out of your s.hitty Filipino mudhouse and do something productive.

:oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Weak Insults. Your averaging 36 ppd with your primary account. Go outside and stop acting like an internet tough guy.


You have almost 40,000 posts and are sending me private messages begging me to "rep you back". If they had a highway or even paved roads in the Phillipines I would tell you to go play in traffic.

[Zedja]

You have almost 40,000 posts and are sending me private messages begging me to "rep you back". If they had a highway or even paved roads in the Phillipines I would tell you to go play in traffic.
Weak. Insulting someone's ethnicity. Truly pathetic.

[riseagainst]

guys, rep me.!!!!!!!
:cheers:

[Lebron23]

You have almost 40,000 posts and are sending me private messages begging me to "rep you back". If they had a highway or even paved roads in the Phillipines I would tell you to go play in traffic.

Are you barely 12 yrs.old? All of your posts are useless. I live in the City. You probably live inside a garbage can.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Weak. Insulting someone's ethnicity. Truly pathetic.


The oven. Stick your head in it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Are you barely 12 yrs.old? All of your posts are useless. I live in the City. You probably live inside a garbage can.


Your whole country is a dumpster.

[StateOfMind12]

Yao didn't do anything particularly special in that series to advance against the Blazers.
Sure he did, he anchored their defense which Aldridge said that bothered him, he rebounded well, the offense ran through him, he drew a bunch of double and triple teams which got his teammates open shots and he also made big shots.


Had T-Mac not been on the decline that year with all the debilitating injuries and at least retained his 2005 form, he would have advanced with them.

The Rockets were 33-14 without McGrady that season
The Rockets were 20-15 with McGrady that season.

McGrady was not doing that team any favors. He was actually just making them worse and it is apparent that they would have been worse off with him playing than without him.

If McGrady played that season, the Rockets would have just had a lower and worse seed which would have gave them a tougher opponent in the first round which would have led to another 1st round exit especially since we know Tmac always flames out then.

Inefficient players that are soft, afraid of contact, and don't play defense and rebound don't make teams better especially good ones.


Yao was finally able to stay on the floor past 31 minutes, a luxury T-Mac didn't have that year when he was at his Houston best.
Too bad Yao actually played like 40 minutes per game in the 2007 series against the Jazz. Nice attempt though, but Tracy McGrady is still a loser that never accomplished anything in his career and doesn't deserve to.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Sure he did, he anchored their defense which Aldridge said that bothered him, he rebounded well, the offense ran through him, he drew a bunch of double and triple teams which got his teammates open shots and he also made big shots.



The Rockets were 33-14 without McGrady that season
The Rockets were 20-15 with McGrady that season.

McGrady was not doing that team any favors. He was actually just making them worse and it is apparent that they would have been worse off with him playing than without him.

If McGrady played that season, the Rockets would have just had a lower and worse seed which would have gave them a tougher opponent in the first round which would have led to another 1st round exit especially since we know Tmac always flames out then.

Inefficient players that are soft, afraid of contact, and don't play defense and rebound don't make teams better especially good ones.


Too bad Yao actually played like 40 minutes per game in the 2007 series against the Jazz. Nice attempt though, but Tracy McGrady is still a loser that never accomplished anything in his career and doesn't deserve to.


Great post. :applause:

[Zedja]

The oven. Stick your head in it.
After you dipshit.

[swi7ch]

He won the first round.

Oh, wait! :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Pistol Pete is the obvious one. I wanna say the most he won in the NBA before he was a now and then role player on the Celtics for a few games was 46 games one of his first couple years on a team that won more before he got there and fell off when he arrived. He didnt even win in college. Not only did he fail to make the NCAA tournament im reasonably sure he never even won the NIT. Dude literally accomplished nothing but his PPG average.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Pistol Pete is the obvious one. I wanna say the most he won in the NBA before he was a now and then role player on the Celtics for a few games was 46 games one of his first couple years on a team that won more before he got there and fell off when he arrived. He didnt even win in college. Not only did he fail to make the NCAA tournament im reasonably sure he never even won the NIT. Dude literally accomplished nothing but his PPG average.


Thanks for info, Kblaze. Amazing he couldn't even take his team to the NCAA tournament :wtf:

[StateOfMind12]

Let's not forget he was born with mild scoliosis though.
I'm pretty sure this is false because I have never heard of this.


let's not act like T-Mac didn't do what he could during his prime years.
I agree with you on this. If you pair up '01-'03 McGrady with '07-'09 Yao, they would have made major noise. Most people respect McGrady in Orlando such as myself. It's what he did after Orlando that makes him such a joke and a loser and what he did with Houston.

With that being said, I have no clue how someone could be a fan of both McGrady and LeBron. They have nothing in common, as a matter of fact they are almost opposites.

Lebron is consistent, efficient, durable, tough, plays hard defense, and works hard night in and night out whereas Tmac was inefficient, made of glass, soft, doesn't play defense, and he always quit on his team and takes multiple plays off night in and night out.

It makes no sense to me how one could like Tmac and Lebron.

[DaHeezy]

Considering the praise Mitch Richmond gets I'll say Mitch Richmond.
Widely considered the second best shooting gaurd of the nineties, he really didn't accomplish much, especially as leader.

[bmd]

T-Mac had GOAT talent. And dafuq did Silkk ever do? No one even cares about him except you :roll: Probably 200 better rappers out there200 better rappers? I'm from New Orleans, so I grew up with all that No Limit music...

...but Silkk was known as a terrible rapper even by No Limit standards.

There is an infinite number of better rappers than Silkk.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Replace McGrady with Lebron and the Magic have more success, easily. He would have at taken those crap Magic teams to the 2nd round.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Shame we never got to see him with the player Grant Hill should've been....both of their careers, damn shame.

For my money 2nd most talented 2/3 combo in history (I want to say most talented but Jordan is Jordan so I won't) and idiotic Orlando medical staff ruined it.

[StateOfMind12]

Replace McGrady with Lebron and the Magic have more success, easily. He would have at taken those crap Magic teams to the 2nd round.
Replace McGrady with Lebron on the Rockets from '05 to '09 and the Rockets probably win a title. Then again I'm really not sure what is the point of comparing McGrady to LeBron. LeBron is flat out better and anyone who believes otherwise is just kidding themselves.



Pistol Pete is the obvious one. I wanna say the most he won in the NBA before he was a now and then role player on the Celtics for a few games was 46 games one of his first couple years on a team that won more before he got there and fell off when he arrived. He didnt even win in college. Not only did he fail to make the NCAA tournament im reasonably sure he never even won the NIT. Dude literally accomplished nothing but his PPG average.
What are your thoughts on McGrady?

[riseagainst]

Replace McGrady with Lebron and the Magic have more success, easily. He would have at taken those crap Magic teams to the 2nd round.

nah

[SilkkTheShocker]

200 better rappers? I'm from New Orleans, so I grew up with all that No Limit music...

...but Silkk was known as a terrible rapper even by No Limit standards.

There is an infinite number of better rappers than Silkk.


Thats fine. Silkk's body of work still s.hits on anything Tmac did. 2 Platnium records and a gold one >>>>>639934 1st round exits

[CAstill]

Did this guy ever win anything?

Gilbert Arenas