Did MJ really had a vertical of 48"?

[pauk]

I was just thinking about this...

Mathematically:

48" (122 cm) + 6'6" (198 cm) = 10'6"-10'7" (320 cm)

Which means a 48" vertical on a guy 6'6" tall equals the top of his head being exactly 6"-7" inches over a 10' hoop.... is there any picture/video of Jordan having almost his entire head over the rim?

[jongib369]

I was just thinking about this...

Mathematically:

48" (122 cm) + 6'6" (198 cm) = 10'6"-10'7" (320 cm)

Which means a 48" vertical on a guy 6'6" tall equals the top of his head being exactly 6"-7" inches over a 10' hoop.... is there any picture/video of Jordan having almost his entire head over the rim?
Here is a counter argument, think of it what you will. Just spreading the "knowledge" so people can make their own opinions :)

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/2012/04/michael-jordan-4-3-40-yard-dash-48-inch-vertical-jump/

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vertical-jump.htm

[jongib369]

Here is a counter argument, think of it what you will. Just spreading the "knowledge" so people can make their own opinions :)

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/2012/04/michael-jordan-4-3-40-yard-dash-48-inch-vertical-jump/

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vertical-jump.htm
I like the avatar btw, just downloaded his dribbling videos earlier today

[RaininTwos]

MJ is the greatest athlete the world has ever laid eyes on so of course that's possible. Anything is possible.

[BabyBull]

There are high jumpers with 50' inch verts, its not some myth that MJ could have a 48'.

[jongib369]

"So if Jordan gets his head at rim height that means he

[CelticBaller]

MJ is the greatest athlete the world has ever laid eyes on so of course that's possible. Anything is possible.
False. Wilt killed a mountain lion :no:

[RaininTwos]

False. Wilt killed a mountain lion :no:
Jordan is the perfect basketball player, there is no way a savage like Wilt is a better athlete.

[CelticBaller]

Jordan is the perfect basketball player, there is no way a savage like Wilt is a better athlete.
You're going to have me call my boy jlauber :no:

[RaininTwos]

You're going to have me call my boy jlauber :no:
I'll call andgar and OldSchoolBBall:eek:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

MJ is the greatest athlete the world has ever laid eyes on so of course that's possible. Anything is possible.

Anything is possible only for him you mean. He's basketball's baby jesus.

[Asukal]

Wilt's vertical is 50", no contest! :rolleyes:

[RaininTwos]

Anything is possible only for him you mean. He's basketball's baby jesus.
Amen:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dictator]

MJ didn't have a 48 vert. Lebron supposely has a 45 vert and he has never had his head over the rim despite being atleast 3 inches taller and longer arms.

[eliteballer]

He clearly doesn't. You need to be a James White like leaper to even consider close to that. VC's combine recorded max vert was 43 inches and at best Jordan is equal in leaping to him.

[magnax1]

He didn't. If he did his head would be half a foot over the rim when he leaped.

[LikeABosh]

Wilt's vertical was 55", he beat the shit out of mountain lions and banged 5 women a day since he was 10. Its all true cuz I read it on the internet

[scandisk_]

My best guess would be 43 (on his earlier years) to 44 max

[notatop29pg]

He didn't. If he did his head would be half a foot over the rim when he leaped.

If he jumped from directly below the hoop yes.

I'm not sure but is the peak height reduced when jumping forward as compared to jumping straight up?

Either way... i dont think his vert was that high, pretty sure i read in one of his books that he said his vert was lower than dominiques and Clydes.

[knickswin]

he obviously doesn't. jordan had really good hops, but he wasn't a freak or anything.

[AAckley1]

Does no one understand the difference between a max recorded vertical & in-game jumping?

When recording ones vertical, the jump is done in a manner where the player moves as little laterally as possible. Weather it's 1-step, 2-step or a simple collect & jump, you don't want to be losing inches by having lateral movement.

In game dunks specifically focus on lateral movement with vertical movement coming second. Very rarely are guards dunking off a collect jump or a 1-step jump because the opportunities for such dunks are prevented by bigs typically.

[Living Being]

No more than 44".

[scandisk_]

Not even close to 40. MJ blocking a fast break layup but ends up hitting his head on the backboard nearly knocking himself unconcious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIToOgJj6Xg&feature=related

[clipps]

Some of these arguements are absolutely retarded. It doesn't take 48 inches for a player of MJ's height to complete a dunk so he's not gonna jump to his entire potential. I'm sure if Jordan wanted to, he would have let himself smack his head on the rim:facepalm

[pauk]

Here is a counter argument, think of it what you will. Just spreading the "knowledge" so people can make their own opinions :)

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/2012/04/michael-jordan-4-3-40-yard-dash-48-inch-vertical-jump/

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vertical-jump.htm

Interesting!

[pauk]

James White vertical leap is 46"... and is 6'6"-6'7"...

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/J9vO8o-zL_Q/0.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn143/Curtis91/JWhite.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8343/jameswhitetopbackboard2gk7.jpg



So i mean if Jordan had 48"... im sure it would look at least close to something like this.... at least once :D

[DatAsh]

Here is a counter argument, think of it what you will. Just spreading the "knowledge" so people can make their own opinions :)

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/2012/04/michael-jordan-4-3-40-yard-dash-48-inch-vertical-jump/

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vertical-jump.htm

no where in either of those links do I see evidence of a 48 inch vertical.

:roll: at Randy Moss having a 51" vertical.

For caparison, here's what a 52" vertical looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IclEQA48IOE

[pauk]

For caparison, here's what a 52" vertical looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IclEQA48IOE

Dude could basically clear Yao Ming while doing a reverse jam :biggums:

[coin24]

In b4 jlauber tells us the space jam mj half court dunk was originally done by wilt:oldlol:

[Calabis]

MJ didn't have a 48 vert. Lebron supposely has a 45 vert and he has never had his head over the rim despite being atleast 3 inches taller and longer arms.

:wtf: Lebron has had several moments with his head at rim level, with the ball in his hand

also in this vid, Jordan is leaning the opposite way of the way he jumped, yet his head is very close to the rim.....this isn't even probably his max output. Assuming he can get his head higher then the rim without the ball, is not as far fetched as you guys are making it out to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwiRSo_1ujw

[Round Mound]

I was just thinking about this...

Mathematically:

48" (122 cm) + 6'6" (198 cm) = 10'6"-10'7" (320 cm)

Which means a 48" vertical on a guy 6'6" tall equals the top of his head being exactly 6"-7" inches over a 10' hoop.... is there any picture/video of Jordan having almost his entire head over the rim?

MJ wasn`t 6`6 ft or 1.98 mt he was the same as Barkley 6`4 3/4 or 1.95 mt

[pauk]

MJ wasn`t 6`6 ft or 1.98 mt he was the same as Barkley 6`4 3/4 or 1.95 mt

Barefoot yea, ~6'5"... but he is jumping with his shoes on, at 6'6"... still doesnt explain anything, 1 inch less means only that his head is now 5-6 inches above the rim instead of 6-7... :D

I am just saying i dont believe his vertical jump was 48"... baring all the footage (games seen, videos, pictures) it looks like 44" at best makes most sense.. doesnt take away anything from MJ... im just bored and thinking out loud.. :P

[DatAsh]

MJ is the greatest athlete the world has ever laid eyes on so of course that's possible. Anything is possible.

:rolleyes:

[DatAsh]

Dude could basically clear Yao Ming while doing a reverse jam :biggums:


He got his center of gravity(slightly below belly button) above 8 feet in that clip.

[Round Mound]

Barefoot yea, ~6'5"... but he is jumping with his shoes on, at 6'6"... still doesnt explain anything, 1 inch less means only that his head is now 5-6 inches above the rim instead of 6-7... :D

He might have had a 48 inch vertical on a good day trying hard but it was usually around 44 or 45 inches with the ball in game

[Calabis]

He might have had a 48 inch vertical on a good day trying hard but it was usually around 44 or 45 inches with the ball in game

^^^This^^^^

James White probably didn't jump that great when measured at a camp......put him in front of the crowd, pumped up and he jumps higher

[eliteballer]

You're completely dilusional if you think Jordan is touching Whites vertical. Whites standing reach is like 8'9. He would need 51 inches to touch the top of the 13 foot backboard and still fell several inches short.

[Collie]

I read that MJ had a 42 vertical.

[RaininTwos]

:rolleyes:
It's arguable.

[MJ(Mean John)]

no where in either of those links do I see evidence of a 48 inch vertical.

:roll: at Randy Moss having a 51" vertical.

For caparison, here's what a 52" vertical looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IclEQA48IOE



Lol @ This comment: this dude can dunk with his d.ick

[andgar923]

:wtf: Lebron has had several moments with his head at rim level, with the ball in his hand

also in this vid, Jordan is leaning the opposite way of the way he jumped, yet his head is very close to the rim.....this isn't even probably his max output. Assuming he can get his head higher then the rim without the ball, is not as far fetched as you guys are making it out to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwiRSo_1ujw

this and other in game dunks show MJ having to duck his head or having his head near rim. But the more telling part is the distance in which he jumps from, and yet he still has his head near the rim.

And as some mentioned, when people jump with the ball it's different than when they jump without it. Also in game dunks are different then measuring one's vertical. Somebody else brought up a great point regarding in game adrenaline.

i don't know if Mj did have a 48 vert, but it is far from being as far fetched as some want you to believe. I also don't think he has a higher vert then James White, but I also don't think James White's vert is supremely out of reach like some make it out to be.

But for what it's worth, MJ's vert is amongst the best in the history of the NBA. His vert is clearly amongst the elite of the elite... PERIOD.

So if it happens to be 44 then that's the level of the elite of the elite.

[eliteballer]

Jordan isnt ducking his head to avoid the rim. His head is never close enough to the rim to hit it. He's just twisting it to contort his body for the dunk.

[Dictator]

:wtf: Lebron has had several moments with his head at rim level, with the ball in his hand

also in this vid, Jordan is leaning the opposite way of the way he jumped, yet his head is very close to the rim.....this isn't even probably his max output. Assuming he can get his head higher then the rim without the ball, is not as far fetched as you guys are making it out to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwiRSo_1ujw


I like how you didn't read my post correctly. Lebron almost "never" has his head "over" the rim.

[jstern]

I say it's possible. The highest jumps I see NBA players do are on missed alley oops, where they're reaching for a ball that they can't get, which leads me to believe that we don't really get to see a player's true vertical when they jump. Plus also their all time max vertical is only during a very short time of their career.

Look at this Lebron jump http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSEuYy7Xytw

So it's possible that Jordan had a 48" vertical, his absolute best ever, but it's probably not something we would see during a game.

[SevereUpInHere]

Of course he did, he had a 48" **** too. Did you know he's run a sub 10 second 100m. He's the GOAT at everything yall! :rolleyes:

Did someone really write this??

Obviously your vertical will suffer slightly if you have the ball in your hands (added weight).

F*ck me, Jordan stans :facepalm

[jstern]

Jordan isnt ducking his head to avoid the rim. His head is never close enough to the rim to hit it. He's just twisting it to contort his body for the dunk.

This is close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUInu7kVFbw&feature=player_detailpage#t=143s

But seriously, imagine if he wasn't focused on dunking on that one and rather on jumping as high as he could straight up. Not 48 inches I image, but very impressive.

[andgar923]

This is the highest I've ever seen in an NBA game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFqwcIwZmZo

Naturally, he didn't have the ball in his hands and he was running at almost full speed, but he still got high as hell. Would he be able to get that high 'with' the ball in his hands? probably not, but what this shows is that he can.

[Soundwave]

I tend to think of anyone with a 40+ inch vertical leap as freakish.

I would guesstimate MJ at 42-44 inches.

The thing about Jordan was he was actually probably more of a "distance" leaper, meaning his speciality was taking off from far distances and being able to hang in the air (agility, body control, palming the ball, etc.) a little longer than a lot of players.

In terms of just pure leaping straight up and down, Dominque Wilkins probably had a slightly higher vert.

But actually in basketball, there are really few instances (especially as a guard) where you're jumping straight up and down.

[Noob Saibot]

This is the highest I've ever seen in an NBA game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFqwcIwZmZo

Naturally, he didn't have the ball in his hands and he was running at almost full speed, but he still got high as hell. Would he be able to get that high 'with' the ball in his hands? probably not, but what this shows is that he can.

my goodness. Green's max vert would have to be 4 feet high (48 inches) to pull that off. Not that Michael Jordan couldn't do that dunk either, but getting his chin over the rim like Green???

[lbj23clutch]

Vince>MJ at leaping ability. MJ being the GOAT doesn't mean he was a GOD.

[Linspired]

young jordan was an athletic freak. i estimate his vert to be around 44. but who knows on a very good day he could squeeze couple more inches? i think 46 is not a reach.

and remember MJ never was 6ft 6.

[Linspired]

Vince>MJ at leaping ability. MJ being the GOAT doesn't mean he was a GOD.


no. vince was a better dunker, but their vert is about the same.

[andgar923]

no. vince was a better dunker, but their vert is about the same.

I think MJ's vert was better. Vince had long arms and extended more.

[jlauber]

How many here have heard about the 6-6 230 lb. Gus Johnson (and then Joey Johnson, who reportedly had a 48" vertical and could get his chin over the rim?)

http://www.cornerclubmoscow.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&Itemid=2


When Johnson played at Idaho in 1963, he already had a reputation as a leaper of the highest order. One evening at the Corner Club, a local tavern on Main Street in Moscow, Johnson was requested by owner Herm Goetz to display his rare ability to the patrons. The Corner Club was a very modest establishment, converted from a white-stuccoed small chapel in the 1940s with hardwood floors and a beamed ceiling. From a standing start near the bar, Johnson touched a spot on a beam 11'6" (3.505 m) above the floor. This spot was ceremoniously marked with a nail by Goetz, who then proudly proclaimed that anyone who could duplicate the feat could drink for free. A 40-inch (1.016 m) diameter circle was painted on the floor, and both feet had to start inside the circle to ensure a standing start. A full 23 years went by with many attempts at Gus Johnson's Nail, including Bill Walton in the summer of 1984, but there were no successes.

That was until 1986, when the College of Southern Idaho basketball team from Twin Falls stopped in town in January on their way to a game against NIC in Coeur d'Alene. Joey Johnson, a younger brother of then NBA star Dennis Johnson, was brought into the Corner Club for a try. The 6'3" (1.905 m) guard had a 48" (1.219 m) vertical leap and could put his chin on a basketball rim (10 feet (3.048 m)) with a running start.

Johnson laced up his shoes and touched the nail on his first try but was disqualified because he did not start with both feet inside the 40-inch circle. The next attempt came from a legal static start but was just a bit short. On his third try, Johnson grabbed and bent the legendary nail, a landmark event in Vandal sports history. Goetz pulled the nail out of the beam and pounded it back in, a half inch (13 mm) higher

[ILLsmak]

this vert obsession lol.

48 INCHES. Jesus Lord. Just like Bron isn't 44.

Again, what matters is no step or one step IMO. Max vert is a joke. How many times do you get a max vert jump? Especially in a game.

Said Nick Young was like 40/40 which is, to me, insane.

Even if you look at JeVale and his draft measurments. He was 32.5 max and 27 no step.

Anyone who is in the NBA and can jump 36 inches no step is a ****ing monster. I'm sure Bron and MJ can.

Edit: Keep in mind having a vert above a certain amount is just an injury risk. Especially if it's not a natural vert meaning that you really did a lot of lifting and/or supplements to get it. Your body isn't built to jump 48 inches off the ground. Think of the damage that is doing to your knees with each jump and that's assuming each jump is a perfect jump. Going down the lane and jumping 48 inches is a good way to get waxed by a 7 footer and have a career ending injury. Sexy numbers are not that important.

-Smak

[jlauber]

this vert obsession lol.

48 INCHES. Jesus Lord. Just like Bron isn't 44.

Again, what matters is no step or one step IMO. Max vert is a joke. How many times do you get a max vert jump? Especially in a game.

Said Nick Young was like 40/40 which is, to me, insane.

Even if you look at JeVale and his draft measurments. He was 32.5 max and 27 no step.

Anyone who is in the NBA and can jump 36 inches no step is a ****ing monster. I'm sure Bron and MJ can.

Edit: Keep in mind having a vert above a certain amount is just an injury risk. Especially if it's not a natural vert meaning that you really did a lot of lifting and/or supplements to get it. Your body isn't built to jump 48 inches off the ground. Think of the damage that is doing to your knees with each jump and that's assuming each jump is a perfect jump. Going down the lane and jumping 48 inches is a good way to get waxed by a 7 footer and have a career ending injury. Sexy numbers are not that important.

-Smak

This is a very good post. Let's compare the careers of Bird and James White...

[plowking]

Edit: Keep in mind having a vert above a certain amount is just an injury risk. Especially if it's not a natural vert meaning that you really did a lot of lifting and/or supplements to get it. Your body isn't built to jump 48 inches off the ground. Think of the damage that is doing to your knees with each jump and that's assuming each jump is a perfect jump. Going down the lane and jumping 48 inches is a good way to get waxed by a 7 footer and have a career ending injury. Sexy numbers are not that important.

-Smak

You build your body to support the jump. You don't start jumping higher because you're just doing weights, your body becomes accustomed to it and builds the supporting muscles.

[Linspired]

this vert obsession lol.

48 INCHES. Jesus Lord. Just like Bron isn't 44.

Again, what matters is no step or one step IMO. Max vert is a joke. How many times do you get a max vert jump? Especially in a game.

Said Nick Young was like 40/40 which is, to me, insane.

Even if you look at JeVale and his draft measurments. He was 32.5 max and 27 no step.

Anyone who is in the NBA and can jump 36 inches no step is a ****ing monster. I'm sure Bron and MJ can.

Edit: Keep in mind having a vert above a certain amount is just an injury risk. Especially if it's not a natural vert meaning that you really did a lot of lifting and/or supplements to get it. Your body isn't built to jump 48 inches off the ground. Think of the damage that is doing to your knees with each jump and that's assuming each jump is a perfect jump. Going down the lane and jumping 48 inches is a good way to get waxed by a 7 footer and have a career ending injury. Sexy numbers are not that important.

-Smak

nba players just don't train for standing vert. in NFL, white dudes like tim tebow gets 38 inch standing vert because he squats like mo.fo every day since he was in high school.

and running vert is actually very important for nba players. you never heard of a fast break?

[Swaggin916]

MJ didn't have a 48 vert. Lebron supposely has a 45 vert and he has never had his head over the rim despite being atleast 3 inches taller and longer arms.

Lebron 3 inches taller than Jordan? :lol

Longer arms? :lol

[jlauber]

I'll take John Stockton's career over many of the "leapers" that have been mentioned throughout this topic...

[Sakkreth]

^^^This^^^^

James White probably didn't jump that great when measured at a camp......put him in front of the crowd, pumped up and he jumps higher

With big enough crowd his vertical would get over 50 :bowdown:















:facepalm

[jlauber]

With big enough crowd his vertical would get over 50 :bowdown:














:facepalm

And he would be too far above the rim to dunk too...and would invariably miss the dunk attempt.

Or else knock himself out banging his head against the rim.

If there was ever an example of worthless athleticism, it was White.

[Dictator]

Lebron 3 inches taller than Jordan? :lol

Longer arms? :lol

Michael 6'5 6'6 with shoes.

Lebron 6'8(grew an inch) 6'9 with shoes.

[DCL]

thought nate robinson had the highest vert.

[NumberSix]

Is it possible to admit that MJ wasn't the very best at 1 single thing?

[Teanett]

but pippen has a bigger dikk.

[NumberSix]

but pippen has a bigger dikk.
MJ wears size 13. Pippen wears 17.

[KDTrey5]

ya probably true but kobe is the better talent

[Horatio33]

James White vertical leap is 46"... and is 6'6"-6'7"...

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/J9vO8o-zL_Q/0.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn143/Curtis91/JWhite.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8343/jameswhitetopbackboard2gk7.jpg



So i mean if Jordan had 48"... im sure it would look at least close to something like this.... at least once :D

What is the point of this thread? Are you happy that MJ doesn't have a 48 inch vertical? Does this make LeBron look better? :confusedshrug:

[BruceLeeBowen]

ya probably true but kobe is the better talent
Oh look! Jordans getting criticized let's try to derail the topic.:lol

Look how people try to shift the hate to Lbj/Kobe when someones questioning MJ abilities.:lol :hammerhead:

[KDTrey5]

Oh look! Jordans getting criticized let's try to derail the topic.:lol

Look how people try to shift the hate to Lbj/Kobe when someones questioning MJ abilities.:lol :hammerhead:
:D

[Floppy]

James White vertical leap is 46"... and is 6'6"-6'7"...

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/J9vO8o-zL_Q/0.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn143/Curtis91/JWhite.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8343/jameswhitetopbackboard2gk7.jpg



So i mean if Jordan had 48"... im sure it would look at least close to something like this.... at least once :D
What's with the 3rd pic?

Some don't drop out of school campaign? :facepalm

[OldSchoolBBall]

No way MJ had a 48" vertical, it was more like 42-44". I'd say 42-43" myself.

[OldSchoolBBall]

:wtf: Lebron has had several moments with his head at rim level, with the ball in his hand

also in this vid, Jordan is leaning the opposite way of the way he jumped, yet his head is very close to the rim.....this isn't even probably his max output. Assuming he can get his head higher then the rim without the ball, is not as far fetched as you guys are making it out to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwiRSo_1ujw

Yeah, Jordan's head was definitely at or above rim level in that dunk. He takes off like 6 feet from the basket on one side, has to duck his head under the rim as he passes, and then still is high enough to basically get his elbow in the rim. Sick. I've always loved that dunk and felt it was one of his top 3 dunk contest dunks ever.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Vince>MJ at leaping ability. MJ being the GOAT doesn't mean he was a GOD.

No, not really. Carter's two foot leaping off a gather step was equal to or slightly better than Jordan's, but Jordan was way better as a one footed leaper and especially a better leaper off a hop step or quick jump. In overall leaping Jordan > Carter.

[Juges8932]

Here is a counter argument, think of it what you will. Just spreading the "knowledge" so people can make their own opinions :)

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/2012/04/michael-jordan-4-3-40-yard-dash-48-inch-vertical-jump/

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vertical-jump.htm

The one by Bruce Blitz may actually be one of the worst attempts at proving their case I have seen anybody make, ever.

1) All the pictures he uses to compare player heights are with them being hunched over, leaning, one being closer to the camera than the other, etc. The only pictures that could make it worse would be if he had chosen pictures of them on the ground fighting for a loose ball or something.

2) All the pictures of him dunking or shooting. Perspective. He is just blatantly disregarding camera angles.

3) Milking the heights of players. Was MJ 6'6"? No, he wasn't...barefoot.Was Chuck 6'6"? No, he wasn't....barefoot. But they weren't 6'4" either, but 6'4.75" which is a lot closer to 6'5 than 6'4, but he constantly uses 6'4 because he is just trying to take yet another liberty. And in basketball shoes, Jordan/Barkley were absolutely at 6'6" or very, very close to it. Last I checked, they played in shoes, no?

Look, I'm not saying MJ didn't have a 48" vert. He definitely was at 44"+ and just a straight max jump without a ball would probably be around 48". What I am saying though is that guy's argument is one of the worst I have ever seen and his MJ dick riding is absolutely ridiculous.

[eliteballer]

This is a good measure of Jordans max vert:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIr1geJeXzU&feature=g-vrec&t=7m30s

Thats about as high as I've seen him get in game from a legitimate angle. If you pause it at the right spot(about 7:36-37) his head is at or very slightly above the rim.

The other best measure is one of his free throw line dunks where his head is at the rim. Being able to jump from the FT line with your head at the rim is impressive.

But no, still not close to 48. Probably about same as VC's, 42-43.

[Calabis]

With big enough crowd his vertical would get over 50 :bowdown:














:facepalm

Where did I say he had a 50 inch vert? Damn morons on here act like he can't get a inch or two higher in a dunk competition with the crowd, due to adrenaline and being hyped

Jumping in camp same as putting on a show for the crowd :facepalm

[Calabis]

Vince>MJ at leaping ability. MJ being the GOAT doesn't mean he was a GOD.

Measuring Michael Jordan's 1987 Slam Dunk Contest Vertical Leap

Comparing the vertical leap of past winners of the slam dunk contest would give us great insight into who really has the best dunk. So time for a Video Analysis of Sports Vertical Leap Dunk Off.

Last week we discussed how we could use broadcast footage of the slam dunk contests to measure the vertical leap of each player during the dunk. We looked at Vince Carter's 2000 Slam Dunk Contest win and estimated that his vertical leap was about 37.6 inches. see Measuring Vertical Leap at a NBA Slam Dunk Contest

The above story was picked up by Patrick at givemetherock.com, who said "I would love to see how other dunks measure up".

The original plan for last weeks article was to use video of Michael Jordan's dunk from the free throw line in his 1987 Slam Dunk contest win. However Carter's dunk from 2000 gave us a better example. To measure the vertical leap from broadcast footage of the slam dunk contest we needed one view and image from the video that contained 4 elements. 1. A full view of the player, 2. a view of the underside of the backboard, 3. the basketball rim and 4. the floor below the backboard. All 4 of these features need to be in the image.

GiveMeTheRock.com want to see how other dunks measure up so I went back to YouTube to try and find better footage of Jordan in 1987.

Although the dunk from the free throw line is iconic, it may not be the dunk in which Jordan obtained his maximum vertical leap, because for this dunk he needed to cover the distance from the free throw line to the basket and therefore height was less important. During the same slam dunk contest though, Jordan completes a sideways dunk which scores him a perfect score of 50.

This dunk required Jordan to get higher to complete, so lets use this one to compare his vertical leap to Vince Carter's 37.6 inch leap in 2000.

Here is the video. Jordan's sideways dunk can be seen at about 1:59 for his highest point and the dunk from the free throw line can be seen later on.

Assuming his highest point is at 1:59 in the video, we take a snap shot and then use our known measurements. This time we do not need to use the width of the backboard because we have a side on view that allows us to measure the distance from the rim to the ground:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq11VVkdPZU

1. Height of the rim is 120 inches above the ground.
2. Michael Jordan is listed at 6 foot 6 inches or 78 inches.
3. Hip height of a standard man is approximately 53% of his total height.

Therefore Jordan's hip height is about 41.3 inches.

These measures are ideal for making a comparison between Carter's vertical leap and Jordan's. The fact that they are of the same height, 6 foot 6 inches, allows us to ignore any height advantage. As an example Nate Robinson needs to have a higher vertical leap than Dwight Howard to make a dunk, for the simple reason that he is much shorter. In our comparison both players are the same height and therefore they both require the same vertical leap to make the dunk. In a slam dunk contest it is not only about making the dunk and this is why we are interested in comparing their vertical leaps during the dunk.

Lets look at the image at 1:59 and the measures we can make.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6Q68jlJBARo/THL9qUYImSI/AAAAAAAAAaU/joczMPfjTHE/s640/Jordan+Sideways+dunk+1987.jpg

Because it is difficult to make out the backboard we chose to use the height of the rim above the floor for our scale measure. We know this height is 10 feet or 120 inches. We draw the blue line down from the rim to the floor and give it the scale we desire 120 inches.

Now we can measure how high Jordan's hips are above the ground. This measure at 83.88 inches (yellow line). Subtract Jordan's standing hip height of 41.3 inches from this measure of his hip height at the top of the dunk and we get an amazing 42.6 inches or 6 inches (half a foot) higher than Carter's hip height in the 2000 slam dunk contest.

Of course the different angles of the cameras and footage and the differences in how the vertical leap measurements were made (not using the backboard for scaling in this image but using it for Vince Carter's dunk) means that inaccuracies will still exist. However a quick look through the literature and some past studies of Jordan at his best suggest that he could regularly jump 42 inches during a one handed dunk.

We will therefore assume our measure of Jordan's 1987 dunk to be a good estimate and based on the 2000 video footage of Carter's dunk we will assume that our measure of 37.6 inches is a good estimate of vertical leap for his dunk.

There is no doubt then that Jordan wins this video analysis of sports dunk off. Anyone think they have footage of a dunk with a vertical leap that can top Jordan's?

[Calabis]

This is a good measure of Jordans max vert:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIr1geJeXzU&feature=g-vrec&t=7m30s

Thats about as high as I've seen him get in game from a legitimate angle. If you pause it at the right spot(about 7:36-37) his head is at or very slightly above the rim.

The other best measure is one of his free throw line dunks where his head is at the rim. Being able to jump from the FT line with your head at the rim is impressive.

But no, still not close to 48. Probably about same as VC's, 42-43.

Yet your not taking in account the 15 feet toward the rim, he's jumping for distance, not straight up....hell its reported his first dunk came at 5'8....people act like its impossible for him to get his chin above the rim....smh.

[OldSchoolBBall]

This is a good measure of Jordans max vert:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIr1geJeXzU&feature=g-vrec&t=7m30s

Thats about as high as I've seen him get in game from a legitimate angle. If you pause it at the right spot(about 7:36-37) his head is at or very slightly above the rim.

The other best measure is one of his free throw line dunks where his head is at the rim. Being able to jump from the FT line with your head at the rim is impressive.

But no, still not close to 48. Probably about same as VC's, 42-43.

He's higher in these than in the video you posted imo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ajygPaNyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajjE_l7GxCA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptopfQGfgjE&feature=plcp#t=5m03s

But I do agree that his vert was probably 42-43", as I posted earlier.

[TheMan]

I have no idea if MJ could jump 48, but I've seen highlights where he has to duck his head to avoid hitting the rim on a dunk.

[andgar923]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptopfQGfgjE&feature=plcp#t=5m03s



His eyes are at rim level in this vid, and this is while jumping up with two hands without a long takeoff run. This is the clip I usually reference when discussing his vert.

Naturally, the argument is "the camera angle is deceiving" but look at how high his hips are as compared to the other players. I understand that his feet are folded, but even then look at how high they are compared to the closest defender. It isn't hard to believe that MJ at some point could get his chin at rim level.

And we've also seen MJ finish dunks with his elbow over the rim, often times just below his peak.

[plowking]

His eyes are at rim level in this vid

:oldlol:

[andgar923]

:oldlol:
Aren't you the same person that said it was impossible for somebody to have their head over the rim?

And the same person that said you've only seen 2 people triple teamed in your life?

[plowking]

Aren't you the same person that said it was impossible for somebody to have their head over the rim?

And the same person that said you've only seen 2 people triple teamed in your life?

Where did I say it was impossible to have your head over the rim? I said Kemp had to get stitches for hitting his head on the rim. So clearly I believe he can as well as others.

Yeah I did say the second one. I've only seen 2 players get consistently triple teamed. I've seen plenty of triple teams where two players will slide over to help.

If you can show me a team consistently sending triples at a guy in a game, prove me wrong.

[NumberSix]

Didn't MJ kill 2 mountain lions?

[KenneBell]

Whoever was the first guy to put that on the internet was a genius. Or an idiot. :roll:

My estimates.

MJ: 42-43"
Vince: Same
Bron: 40"
Kobe: 38-40"
Wade: 35-37"
Dr.J: 40"

[NumberSix]

Whoever was the first guy to put that on the internet was a genius. Or an idiot. :roll:

My estimates.

MJ: 42-43"
Vince: Same
Bron: 40"
Kobe: 29"
Wade: 35-37"
Dr.J: 40"
Fixed, but you don't hear me though.

[Calabis]

Whoever was the first guy to put that on the internet was a genius. Or an idiot. :roll:

My estimates.

MJ: 42-43"
Vince: Same
Bron: 40"
Kobe: 38-40"
Wade: 35-37"
Dr.J: 40"

:roll: ................................:wtf: .................:facepalm

I can't believe this shit....no way in hell is Kobe jumping on Docs level or close to Lebron, MJ, Vince....he is above avg, when it comes to jumping, but far from being a elite leaper, like everyone else on that list(minus Wade)

[DonDadda59]

Don't know how reliable this is, but apparently Jordan's verticals were measured during an experiment at UNC in '83 (Jordan was 20):


Abstract:

MICHAEL JORDAN=92S VERTICAL JUMP. =20
Krugh J, LeVeau B. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel =
Hill, NC.

PURPOSE: The purpose of this study, which was part of an advanced =
master=92s motion analysis class project in 1983, was to determine =
Michael Jordan=92s maximum vertical jump.
=20
SUBJECT: Michael Jordan=20

METHODS: Surface markers: Left lateral malleolus, left femoral =
epicondyle, left greater trochanter, left pelvic crest, and right distal =
phalanges of digits 2 and 3 of the hand.

Tasks (in order) were:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed - baseline
Vertical reach during a jump from standing
Vertical reach during a jump from running
Vertical reach during a 1 hand dunk=20
Vertical reach during a 2 hand dunk

All tasks, except baseline vertical reach were done with free swing of =
the upper limb(s). Equipment / instrumentation: Camera, lighting, =
markers, meter stick, and standard basketball. Location: Fetzer =
Gymnasium, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

DATA ANALYSIS:
Distance measurements were analyzed by comparison to a meter stick in =
view of the camera. Displacement measurements of reach (pelvis) involved =
measurement of vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 (pelvis) =
during a task minus vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 =
(pelvis) during bilateral flat-footed stance. Velocity measurements were =
analyzed by dividing vertical height distance traveled divided by time =
taken for the tasks. A VanGuard Motion Analyzer was used to analyze =
motion frame by frame.

RESULTS:=20
Maximum measurements:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed 93.67 in.
Floor to pelvic crest while standing 49.00 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from standing 35.93 in.
Vertical displacement of the pelvis during a jump from running 38.07 in.
Vertical velocity during a jump from running 701.00 o/sec.=20
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from running 45.76 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 1 hand dunk 41.70 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 2 hand dunk 40.93 in.

During the vertical reach from standing, push from the floor was with =
both feet. During the vertical reach during a jump from running, push =
from the floor was with one foot and momentum of the body, two upper =
limbs, and one lower limb was used to the maximum.=20

CONCLUSION / CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Maximum displacement for vertical reach =
was achieved with a jump from a running start, a 2 hand dunk, a 1 hand =
dunk, and a jump from standing, respectively. This is consistent with =
use of momentum of the body and limbs to assist with the vertical =
displacement. Michael Jordan=92s vertical jump ability during several =
tasks provides a standard with which athletic achievement by others can =
be compared.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/professional-collegiate-sports/michael-jordans-true-vert-212070.html


So jumping after a running start, he got about a 46" vertical. Dunking with one hand, 42"... dunking with 2 hands, he got 41".

[KenneBell]

:roll: ................................:wtf: .................:facepalm

I can't believe this shit....no way in hell is Kobe jumping on Docs level or close to Lebron, MJ, Vince....he is above avg, when it comes to jumping, but far from being a elite leaper, like everyone else on that list(minus Wade)
:confusedshrug:

I though it was pretty common knowledge that Kobe's predraft vert was rumored at 38".

Don't see why its so unbelievable. I don't think he's ever got his head to rim level but he could get up pretty high, even as recently as '08.

http://i.imgur.com/Hl5gb.png

He's 78". Bottom of backboard is 114". So he's at least 34" in the air with his head at the bottom of the backboard.

Bron is significantly taller. Same with Dr.J. They probably do have a higher vert than prime Kobe especially since they are primarily one footed jumpers.

[Calabis]

Don't know how reliable this is, but apparently Jordan's verticals were measured during an experiment at UNC in '83 (Jordan was 20):


Abstract:

MICHAEL JORDAN=92S VERTICAL JUMP. =20
Krugh J, LeVeau B. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel =
Hill, NC.

PURPOSE: The purpose of this study, which was part of an advanced =
master=92s motion analysis class project in 1983, was to determine =
Michael Jordan=92s maximum vertical jump.
=20
SUBJECT: Michael Jordan=20

METHODS: Surface markers: Left lateral malleolus, left femoral =
epicondyle, left greater trochanter, left pelvic crest, and right distal =
phalanges of digits 2 and 3 of the hand.

Tasks (in order) were:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed - baseline
Vertical reach during a jump from standing
Vertical reach during a jump from running
Vertical reach during a 1 hand dunk=20
Vertical reach during a 2 hand dunk

All tasks, except baseline vertical reach were done with free swing of =
the upper limb(s). Equipment / instrumentation: Camera, lighting, =
markers, meter stick, and standard basketball. Location: Fetzer =
Gymnasium, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

DATA ANALYSIS:
Distance measurements were analyzed by comparison to a meter stick in =
view of the camera. Displacement measurements of reach (pelvis) involved =
measurement of vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 (pelvis) =
during a task minus vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 =
(pelvis) during bilateral flat-footed stance. Velocity measurements were =
analyzed by dividing vertical height distance traveled divided by time =
taken for the tasks. A VanGuard Motion Analyzer was used to analyze =
motion frame by frame.

RESULTS:=20
Maximum measurements:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed 93.67 in.
Floor to pelvic crest while standing 49.00 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from standing 35.93 in.
Vertical displacement of the pelvis during a jump from running 38.07 in.
Vertical velocity during a jump from running 701.00 o/sec.=20
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from running 45.76 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 1 hand dunk 41.70 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 2 hand dunk 40.93 in.

During the vertical reach from standing, push from the floor was with =
both feet. During the vertical reach during a jump from running, push =
from the floor was with one foot and momentum of the body, two upper =
limbs, and one lower limb was used to the maximum.=20

CONCLUSION / CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Maximum displacement for vertical reach =
was achieved with a jump from a running start, a 2 hand dunk, a 1 hand =
dunk, and a jump from standing, respectively. This is consistent with =
use of momentum of the body and limbs to assist with the vertical =
displacement. Michael Jordan=92s vertical jump ability during several =
tasks provides a standard with which athletic achievement by others can =
be compared.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/professional-collegiate-sports/michael-jordans-true-vert-212070.html


So jumping after a running start, he got about a 46" vertical. Dunking with one hand, 42"... dunking with 2 hands, he got 41".

I think 48 is not this unattainable number then, because its apparent he got stronger after a couple years in the NBA, compared to college. Even his young NBA days dunking from the free throw line, he appeared to struggle compared to when he was 25, probably his peak physical ability. 46 still crazy though

[DonDadda59]

I think 48 is not this unattainable number then, because its apparent he got stronger after a couple years in the NBA, compared to college. Even his young NBA days dunking from the free throw line, he appeared to struggle compared to when he was 25, probably his peak physical ability. 46 still crazy though

Who said it was? :confusedshrug:

Plus Jordan was only twenty when that experiment supposedly went down, he got stronger and started weight training in the pros, so not a leap of faith to assume his athletic ability improved. Plus, sometimes athletes get an adrenaline rush that's coupled with a burst of speed, crazy explosion, etc and this happens:

Jordan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ajygPaNyE)

Lebron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNOOoZZB9BY)

[Calabis]

:confusedshrug:

I though it was pretty common knowledge that Kobe's predraft vert was rumored at 38".

Don't see why its so unbelievable. I don't think he's ever got his head to rim level but he could get up pretty high, even as recently as '08.

http://i.imgur.com/Hl5gb.png

He's 78". Bottom of backboard is 114". So he's at least 34" in the air with his head at the bottom of the backboard.

Bron is significantly taller. Same with Dr.J. They probably do have a higher vert than prime Kobe especially since they are primarily one footed jumpers.

Is this Kobe's dunk on Nash? Also I was referring to your 40', same as Doc and giving Jordan and Carter a 2 inch advantage over him

http://wannadunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Michael-Jordan-Slam-Dunk.jpg

http://img.skitch.com/20090306-jgbtj4x1sxawf8i3snqrfndxjq.jpg

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/michael-jordan-rim-level-2.jpg

[eliteballer]

Don't know how reliable this is, but apparently Jordan's verticals were measured during an experiment at UNC in '83 (Jordan was 20):


Abstract:

MICHAEL JORDAN=92S VERTICAL JUMP. =20
Krugh J, LeVeau B. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel =
Hill, NC.

PURPOSE: The purpose of this study, which was part of an advanced =
master=92s motion analysis class project in 1983, was to determine =
Michael Jordan=92s maximum vertical jump.
=20
SUBJECT: Michael Jordan=20

METHODS: Surface markers: Left lateral malleolus, left femoral =
epicondyle, left greater trochanter, left pelvic crest, and right distal =
phalanges of digits 2 and 3 of the hand.

Tasks (in order) were:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed - baseline
Vertical reach during a jump from standing
Vertical reach during a jump from running
Vertical reach during a 1 hand dunk=20
Vertical reach during a 2 hand dunk

All tasks, except baseline vertical reach were done with free swing of =
the upper limb(s). Equipment / instrumentation: Camera, lighting, =
markers, meter stick, and standard basketball. Location: Fetzer =
Gymnasium, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

DATA ANALYSIS:
Distance measurements were analyzed by comparison to a meter stick in =
view of the camera. Displacement measurements of reach (pelvis) involved =
measurement of vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 (pelvis) =
during a task minus vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 =
(pelvis) during bilateral flat-footed stance. Velocity measurements were =
analyzed by dividing vertical height distance traveled divided by time =
taken for the tasks. A VanGuard Motion Analyzer was used to analyze =
motion frame by frame.

RESULTS:=20
Maximum measurements:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed 93.67 in.
Floor to pelvic crest while standing 49.00 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from standing 35.93 in.
Vertical displacement of the pelvis during a jump from running 38.07 in.
Vertical velocity during a jump from running 701.00 o/sec.=20
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from running 45.76 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 1 hand dunk 41.70 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 2 hand dunk 40.93 in.

During the vertical reach from standing, push from the floor was with =
both feet. During the vertical reach during a jump from running, push =
from the floor was with one foot and momentum of the body, two upper =
limbs, and one lower limb was used to the maximum.=20

CONCLUSION / CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Maximum displacement for vertical reach =
was achieved with a jump from a running start, a 2 hand dunk, a 1 hand =
dunk, and a jump from standing, respectively. This is consistent with =
use of momentum of the body and limbs to assist with the vertical =
displacement. Michael Jordan=92s vertical jump ability during several =
tasks provides a standard with which athletic achievement by others can =
be compared.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/professional-collegiate-sports/michael-jordans-true-vert-212070.html


So jumping after a running start, he got about a 46" vertical. Dunking with one hand, 42"... dunking with 2 hands, he got 41".


Yeah, thats fake. No link and if he did have a 46 incher he would have had his head significantly over the rim at least once. Calabis delusion is evident "well if white was in front of a crowd" and using absurd angles of jordan pics..........:roll:

[Calabis]

Who said it was? :confusedshrug:

Plus Jordan was only twenty when that experiment supposedly went down, he got stronger and started weight training in the pros, so not a leap of faith to assume his athletic ability improved. Plus, sometimes athletes get an adrenaline rush that's coupled with a burst of speed, crazy explosion, etc and this happens:

Jordan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ajygPaNyE)

Lebron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNOOoZZB9BY)

Dude, I didn't say u said that, I actually liked the article...good find, I was just piggy backing off the article reference earlier posters acting like 48 was impossible. You finding a study that states its 46 while in college, would make me believe as he got stronger he could have reached 48

Also good post

[KenneBell]

Is this Kobe's dunk on Nash? Also I was referring to your 40', same as Doc and giving Jordan and Carter a 2 inch advantage over him

No, that's Kobe in '08 after two knee surgeries. I don't doubt that he could hit around 40" from '01 to '03 right before his first knee surgery. That would still put him under rim level though and still below MJ and Vince.

[Calabis]

Yeah, thats fake. No link and if he did have a 46 incher he would have had his head significantly over the rim at least once. Calabis delusion is evident "well if white was in front of a crowd" and using absurd angles of jordan pics..........:roll:

LMAO this dude is about as retarded as they come

Simple facts.... Jordan dunked when he was 5'8, he grew to 6'5, thinking that his chin can not get above rim level is retarded imo, especially when his doing dunks leaning and shit and his head is right there.....angles...mf'er that picture is straight on gtfhoh!!! Most dudes in the NBA were impressed with his jumping ability, so were other folks(media) that nicknamed him "Air", but yeah you're right he couldn't jump that high, everyone was signed by NIKE to just say those things

this dude at 5'10 can kiss the rim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQBabLlVrqQ&feature=relmfu

yet looks like he can't reach on the first two dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYCPGi4hvLg&t=0m37s

[Calabis]

No, that's Kobe in '08 after two knee surgeries. I don't doubt that he could hit around 40" from '01 to '03 right before his first knee surgery. That would still put him under rim level though and still below MJ and Vince.

Its possible he can hit 40', I also think its possible that if he tried at his peak/prime, that he could bang his head on the rim. I'm sure there have been days when Kobe's legs felt super good and other days when they were just aight....trying to explain that to dudes like elitballer is the hard part. Kobe measured at 38 inches at camp...but was this his best jumping day? Who knows:confusedshrug:

[eliteballer]

First of, Kobe's vertical number has never been officially released. That 38 is just an internet number. If it WAS what he was measured at predraft he was 17 years old.

THIS is what a 6-6/7 guy with a 45 or more inch vertical does:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9vO8o-zL_Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA4L-_Wic78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkOVTAN6tMc

Jordan has never shown he can leap like that.

[Linspired]

First of, Kobe's vertical number has never been officially released. That 38 is just an internet number. If it WAS what he was measured at predraft he was 17 years old.

THIS is what a 6-6/7 guy with a 45 or more inch vertical does:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9vO8o-zL_Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA4L-_Wic78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkOVTAN6tMc

Jordan has never shown he can leap like that.

james white is taller than MJ.

[RazorBaLade]

Is this Kobe's dunk on Nash? Also I was referring to your 40', same as Doc and giving Jordan and Carter a 2 inch advantage over him

http://wannadunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Michael-Jordan-Slam-Dunk.jpg

http://img.skitch.com/20090306-jgbtj4x1sxawf8i3snqrfndxjq.jpg

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/michael-jordan-rim-level-2.jpg

none of those pics were eye rim level for jordan

[Calabis]

none of those pics were eye rim level for jordan

I didn't say they were eye level, the point of the pics, were with the damn ball in his hand, and his body contorted, jumping from angles and distance, that his head is right there by the rim....to act like if he ran without a ball and jumped straight up, that he couldn't get his head above the rim is ridiculous...also his free throw dunk his head was rim level at its peak, that was coming from 15 feet out

[eliteballer]

to act like if he ran without a ball and jumped straight up, that he couldn't get his head above the rim is ridiculous...

No it's not, you delusional twit. Show us ONE instance of Jordan getting his chin at the rim if it's OH SO EASY:roll:

[nnn123]

48 is probably a stretch. 44-45 is believable though; you could see his head at nearly rim level in his slam dunk photos where he's twisting and contorting his body. If someone measured his normal vertical leap, with no twisting, etc., it probably would get up to that level

[Round Mound]

AIR was a Nickname That Was Directed To His HANG TIME More than To His Vertical Leap. The Dude Could Hang In The Air For More Seconds than the Usual Player and Do Just Amazing Acrobatic Things...

[LAClipsFan33]

AIR was a Nickname That Was Directed To His HANG TIME More than To His Vertical Leap. The Dude Could Hang In The Air For More Seconds than the Usual Player and Do Just Amazing Acrobatic Things...

But hang time has a direct correlation to vertical leap. Gotta jump high into the air to "hang"

[noosaman]

I'm more impressed with his brother Larry. The dude was like 5'8'' and could do reverse tomahawk between the legs dunks with ease.

[Round Mound]

But hang time has a direct correlation to vertical leap. Gotta jump high into the air to "hang"

But It Was his HANG TIME that Differentiate Him from the Rest. He Was Able To Bend, Contract, Longate etc With His Body...It Was Like He Was Defying Gravity...Thereby the Term "AIR"

[Linspired]

But hang time has a direct correlation to vertical leap. Gotta jump high into the air to "hang"


it actually doesn't. 2 people can have same exact vertical, but landing time will vary because they are built different, weighs different, and etc.

[DonDadda59]

I'm more impressed with his brother Larry. The dude was like 5'8'' and could do reverse tomahawk between the legs dunks with ease.

Speaking of Larry, he says that when Mike was in the 10th grade, before he hit his growth spurt, his (Mike's) vertical was at 42":

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rU4tAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5dAFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6384,1843897&dq=larry+jordan+45+42&hl=en

Larry claims that his vertical then was 45" :eek:

[noosaman]

Speaking of Larry, he says that when Mike was in the 10th grade, before he hit his growth spurt, his (Mike's) vertical was at 42":

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rU4tAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5dAFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6384,1843897&dq=larry+jordan+45+42&hl=en

Larry claims that his vertical then was 45" :eek:

I remember reading someone saying if Larry were the same height he would have destroyed MJ.

[LAClipsFan33]

it actually doesn't. 2 people can have same exact vertical, but landing time will vary because they are built different, weighs different, and etc.

So you can be a poor leaper and hang in the air ?

[LAClipsFan33]

But It Was his HANG TIME that Differentiate Him from the Rest. He Was Able To Bend, Contract, Longate etc With His Body...It Was Like He Was Defying Gravity...Thereby the Term "AIR"

True

[Linspired]

So you can be a poor leaper and hang in the air ?

no i'm just sayin 6ft 6 195lb dude with 40 inch vert will have a better hang time than a 6ft 8 275lb dude with 40 inch vertical. and some dudes have a thick bones, some don't. some dudes have a long leg, and some dudes have a long torso. all maybe a big factor in hang time.

whatever the reason maybe, MJ visibly had a better hang time than other leapers. bron & MJ may had a same 42-44inch vert, but no doubt MJ will stay in the air bit longer than bron.

[eliteballer]

Speaking of Larry, he says that when Mike was in the 10th grade, before he hit his growth spurt, his (Mike's) vertical was at 42":

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rU4tAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5dAFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6384,1843897&dq=larry+jordan+45+42&hl=en

Larry claims that his vertical then was 45" :eek:

Dude also says MJ is 10 1/2 inches taller:rolleyes:

[noosaman]

Dude also says MJ is 10 1/2 inches taller:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJAIyXQ5wNU

[LAClipsFan33]

no i'm just sayin 6ft 6 195lb dude with 40 inch vert will have a better hang time than a 6ft 8 275lb dude with 40 inch vertical. and some dudes have a thick bones, some don't. some dudes have a long leg, and some dudes have a long torso. all maybe a big factor in hang time.

whatever the reason maybe, MJ visibly had a better hang time than other leapers. bron & MJ may had a same 42-44inch vert, but no doubt MJ will stay in the air bit longer than bron.

Ok I get you

[scandisk_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJAIyXQ5wNU

I haven't seen that video for ages :oldlol: ohhh and btw Larry's first step is crazy quick.

[plowking]

james white is taller than MJ.

James White is .75 of an inch taller than MJ in bare feet.

[noosaman]

James White is .75 of an inch taller than MJ in bare feet.

Dude you ever go to Cloudland in the Valley?

[Calabis]

No it's not, you delusional twit. Show us ONE instance of Jordan getting his chin at the rim if it's OH SO EASY:roll:

78 inches, he needs 42 inches to hit head on rim...every inch after that is 1 inch above the rim, so 45 to 46 inches is chin Damn near level

[eliteballer]

SHOW us him jumping 45 or 46 inches:roll:

[ProfessorMurder]

Lebron supposely has a 45 vert and he has never had his head over the rim despite being atleast 3 inches taller and longer arms.

That's interesting how having longer arms makes your head higher when you jump.

[eliteballer]

Do you even KNOW how big an inch is? if 42 is head at rim you would need WAY more than 3 or 4 more inches to get your chin above it:oldlol: Again, SHOW US him jumping even 45...

[Legends66NBA7]

Here is a counter argument, think of it what you will. Just spreading the "knowledge" so people can make their own opinions :)

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/2012/04/michael-jordan-4-3-40-yard-dash-48-inch-vertical-jump/

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vertical-jump.htm

That "knowledge", was already covered on ISH by the same guy:

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123484

Same posters in this thread arguing the same thing in that old one.

[Metroid]

no i'm just sayin 6ft 6 195lb dude with 40 inch vert will have a better hang time than a 6ft 8 275lb dude with 40 inch vertical. and some dudes have a thick bones, some don't. some dudes have a long leg, and some dudes have a long torso. all maybe a big factor in hang time.

whatever the reason maybe, MJ visibly had a better hang time than other leapers. bron & MJ may had a same 42-44inch vert, but no doubt MJ will stay in the air bit longer than bron.

No, gravity works the same for everything in the world. If a 2,000 pound man has a 40 inch vertical and Jordan has a 40 inch vertical, they will drop at the exact same time, speed, etc. Unless Jordan was lighter than air. They will drop at the same speed, just the same way a feather in a vacuum would fall at the same speed as an elephant.

If it seems like Jordan is lasting longer than everybody else, it's because. 1 he is usually jumping higher than his opponents. 2. It creates the illusion when he jumps with the ball up high, holds it at the peak as the rest of his body is coming up, and then releases it as he's coming down.

[Metroid]

Don't know how reliable this is, but apparently Jordan's verticals were measured during an experiment at UNC in '83 (Jordan was 20):


Abstract:

MICHAEL JORDAN=92S VERTICAL JUMP. =20
Krugh J, LeVeau B. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel =
Hill, NC.

PURPOSE: The purpose of this study, which was part of an advanced =
master=92s motion analysis class project in 1983, was to determine =
Michael Jordan=92s maximum vertical jump.
=20
SUBJECT: Michael Jordan=20

METHODS: Surface markers: Left lateral malleolus, left femoral =
epicondyle, left greater trochanter, left pelvic crest, and right distal =
phalanges of digits 2 and 3 of the hand.

Tasks (in order) were:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed - baseline
Vertical reach during a jump from standing
Vertical reach during a jump from running
Vertical reach during a 1 hand dunk=20
Vertical reach during a 2 hand dunk

All tasks, except baseline vertical reach were done with free swing of =
the upper limb(s). Equipment / instrumentation: Camera, lighting, =
markers, meter stick, and standard basketball. Location: Fetzer =
Gymnasium, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

DATA ANALYSIS:
Distance measurements were analyzed by comparison to a meter stick in =
view of the camera. Displacement measurements of reach (pelvis) involved =
measurement of vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 (pelvis) =
during a task minus vertical height to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 =
(pelvis) during bilateral flat-footed stance. Velocity measurements were =
analyzed by dividing vertical height distance traveled divided by time =
taken for the tasks. A VanGuard Motion Analyzer was used to analyze =
motion frame by frame.

RESULTS:=20
Maximum measurements:=20
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed 93.67 in.
Floor to pelvic crest while standing 49.00 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from standing 35.93 in.
Vertical displacement of the pelvis during a jump from running 38.07 in.
Vertical velocity during a jump from running 701.00 o/sec.=20
Vertical reach displacement during a jump from running 45.76 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 1 hand dunk 41.70 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a 2 hand dunk 40.93 in.

During the vertical reach from standing, push from the floor was with =
both feet. During the vertical reach during a jump from running, push =
from the floor was with one foot and momentum of the body, two upper =
limbs, and one lower limb was used to the maximum.=20

CONCLUSION / CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Maximum displacement for vertical reach =
was achieved with a jump from a running start, a 2 hand dunk, a 1 hand =
dunk, and a jump from standing, respectively. This is consistent with =
use of momentum of the body and limbs to assist with the vertical =
displacement. Michael Jordan=92s vertical jump ability during several =
tasks provides a standard with which athletic achievement by others can =
be compared.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/professional-collegiate-sports/michael-jordans-true-vert-212070.html


So jumping after a running start, he got about a 46" vertical. Dunking with one hand, 42"... dunking with 2 hands, he got 41".

That's interesting how having the ball takes away 4 inches.

[andgar923]

No, gravity works the same for everything in the world. If a 2,000 pound man has a 40 inch vertical and Jordan has a 40 inch vertical, they will drop at the exact same time, speed, etc. Unless Jordan was lighter than air. They will drop at the same speed, just the same way a feather in a vacuum would fall at the same speed as an elephant.

If it seems like Jordan is lasting longer than everybody else, it's because. 1 he is usually jumping higher than his opponents. 2. It creates the illusion when he jumps with the ball up high, holds it at the peak as the rest of his body is coming up, and then releases it as he's coming down.

I would agree with you except for one thing.

MJ as a Wizards seems to disprove this notion.

Mj as a Wiz had lost about 60% of his vert, had poor knees, probably weighed more yet still had some hang time. He had more hang time than most players half his age as well.

I haven't played basketball in almost a decade and my knees are gone. But the last time I did play (wayyyyyy past my physical prime) I was still able to control my body and hang in the air relatively long considering my vert and conditioning.

[andgar923]

SHOW us him jumping 45 or 46 inches:roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UxVHmh-thY

How much do you think will take for him to complete this one?

40?

[blacknapalm]

No, gravity works the same for everything in the world. If a 2,000 pound man has a 40 inch vertical and Jordan has a 40 inch vertical, they will drop at the exact same time, speed, etc. Unless Jordan was lighter than air. They will drop at the same speed, just the same way a feather in a vacuum would fall at the same speed as an elephant.

If it seems like Jordan is lasting longer than everybody else, it's because. 1 he is usually jumping higher than his opponents. 2. It creates the illusion when he jumps with the ball up high, holds it at the peak as the rest of his body is coming up, and then releases it as he's coming down.

finally some logic. basic physics: all objects fall at the same rate. if you're saying otherwise, you claim that MJ had supernatural powers. if you drop a piano and china bowl off the eiffel tower, they will reach the ground at the same exact time. of course, i'm factoring in no wind resistance.

[RazorBaLade]

I didn't say they were eye level, the point of the pics, were with the damn ball in his hand, and his body contorted, jumping from angles and distance, that his head is right there by the rim....to act like if he ran without a ball and jumped straight up, that he couldn't get his head above the rim is ridiculous...also his free throw dunk his head was rim level at its peak, that was coming from 15 feet out

im not so sure from those pics that he can touch the rim with his head

[RazorBaLade]

I would agree with you except for one thing.

MJ as a Wizards seems to disprove this notion.

Mj as a Wiz had lost about 60% of his vert, had poor knees, probably weighed more yet still had some hang time.He had more hang time than most players half his age as well.

I haven't played basketball in almost a decade and my knees are gone. But the last time I did play (wayyyyyy past my physical prime) I was still able to control my body and hang in the air relatively long considering my vert and conditioning.

congrats, youre a moron. When you get to high school and take your physics class in summer school I only pray you have the courage to tell your professor as he discusses gravity and force and so on that no, michael jordan in a wizards uniform disprove those notions.

[andgar923]

congrats, youre a moron
Did you watch him play?

[andgar923]

congrats, youre a moron. When you get to high school and take your physics class in summer school I only pray you have the courage to tell your professor as he discusses gravity and force and so on that no, michael jordan in a wizards uniform disprove those notions.

I'm so hurt.

[RazorBaLade]

Did you watch him play?

Gravity = 9.81 m/s^2, even michael jordan is affected by the same pull of gravity that kwame brown is. Even michael jordan.

[andgar923]

Gravity = 9.81 m/s^2, even michael jordan is affected by the same pull of gravity that kwame brown is. Even michael jordan.

So you don't believe in hang time whatsoever?

if you jump vs a 2 year old you don't think you'll hang in the air longer, even the tiniest of a fraction longer?

If ButterBean jumps up at the same time as Gerald Green, you don't think Gerald Green will last in the air a tiny bit of a fraction longer?

We aren't dealing with objects in a vacuum or two objects being dropped from the same height.

We're talking about humans jumping up, not down, and then other variables are applied, such as height of jump, body weight, and the 'other' factors which is balance, control, strength. These variables/factors alter one's hang time. Or have you not seen players jump up at the same time and one lands before the other?

We've seen Mj jump up a fraction before his defender and land a fraction after his defender.

That is caused by his ability to control his body while in the air. Or have you not played basketball before?

[RazorBaLade]

So you don't believe in hang time whatsoever?

if you jump vs a 2 year old you don't think you'll hang in the air longer, even the tiniest of a fraction longer?

If ButterBean jumps up at the same time as Gerald Green, you don't think Gerald Green will last in the air a tiny bit of a fraction longer?

We aren't dealing with objects in a vacuum or two objects being dropped from the same height.

We're talking about humans jumping up, not down, and then other variables are applied, such as height of jump, body weight, and the 'other' factors which is balance, control, strength. These variables/factors alter one's hang time. Or have you not seen players jump up at the same time and one lands before the other?

We've seen Mj jump up a fraction before his defender and land a fraction after his defender.

That is caused by his ability to control his body while in the air. Or have you not played basketball before?

If I jump vs a 2 year old I am going to be in the air longer because I'm going to have a longer area to come down (because I jump higher). No other reason.

A person cannot hang, we've already agreed that every single object in this world is pulled downwards by gravity at the same rate. Air resistance is negligible (like, millseconds) when the difference is something like 180 pounds to 240 pounds. Height of jump, balance, control, strength, all completely irrelevant. You jump as high as you can, and then you fall down the same way everyone else does.

[Linspired]

No, gravity works the same for everything in the world. If a 2,000 pound man has a 40 inch vertical and Jordan has a 40 inch vertical, they will drop at the exact same time, speed, etc. Unless Jordan was lighter than air. They will drop at the same speed, just the same way a feather in a vacuum would fall at the same speed as an elephant.

If it seems like Jordan is lasting longer than everybody else, it's because. 1 he is usually jumping higher than his opponents. 2. It creates the illusion when he jumps with the ball up high, holds it at the peak as the rest of his body is coming up, and then releases it as he's coming down.


crumple a paper into a ball and drop it at the same time with a regular paper. paper ball will fall faster. i guess MJ creates more resistance.

[RazorBaLade]

I don't think I can get you to come around with a math and science point of view so I'm gonna ask you a simple question.

"We've seen Mj jump up a fraction before his defender and land a fraction after his defender.

That is caused by his ability to control his body while in the air. Or have you not played basketball before?"

Would MJ be able to do that if he had a 12" vert?

So its mj vs his defender. MJ jumps a fraction before his defender, for the full 12 inches he can jump, his defender jumps 35 inches. Who comes down first? Who is in the air longer?

[RazorBaLade]

crumple a paper into a ball and drop it at the same time with a regular paper. paper ball will fall faster. i guess MJ creates more resistance.

that only applies when you can be affected by air or have widely different surface areas. For humans air resistance is negligible. Fwiw the crumpled ball doesnt fall faster, the other paper is stopped from falling as fast because of wind.

[andgar923]

I don't think I can get you to come around with a math and science point of view so I'm gonna ask you a simple question.

"We've seen Mj jump up a fraction before his defender and land a fraction after his defender.

That is caused by his ability to control his body while in the air. Or have you not played basketball before?"

Would MJ be able to do that if he had a 12" vert?

So its mj vs his defender. MJ jumps a fraction before his defender, for the full 12 inches he can jump, his defender jumps 35 inches. Who comes down first? Who is in the air longer?

So now you're saying that there is factors that can affect hang time correct?

[RazorBaLade]

So now you're saying that there is factors that can affect hang time correct?

Not in humans. "hang time" can be witnessed with only a special set of items/surfaces/objects.

[andgar923]

Not in humans. "hang time" can be witnessed with only a special set of items/surfaces/objects.

I understand that science laws exist and that there's constants. If 'A' player jumps the same height and has the same weight as player 'B' they will come down at the same time, scientifically speaking because that's what gravity laws dictate. When we're dealing with 'sports' and we talk about 'hang time' I assume that most of us mean what a player can do while in the air. And I have seen MJ hang in the air longer then most players as a Wiz. But again, I understand that there's different factors that need to be taken into account, most of which are MJ's ability to move the ball in the air, control his body and have great balance. So even if he stays in the air the same amount of time as Wade, MJ's body control allows him to achieve more or at the very least look like it.

And I believe even you also just admitted that vertical jump does play a significant role in one's hang time.

[scandisk_]

His hand switching, fakes, crazy reverses and ability to absorb contact mid-air probably creates the illusion of him hanging longer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zex59knEHKc

I couldn't find the triple clutch shot that he did on Larry Nance (vid was deleted) that move looked like he hung in the air for more than a second.

[RazorBaLade]

I understand that science laws exist and that there's constants. If 'A' player jumps the same height and has the same weight as player 'B' they will come down at the same time, scientifically speaking because that's what gravity laws dictate. When we're dealing with 'sports' and we talk about 'hang time' I assume that most of us mean what a player can do while in the air. And I have seen MJ hang in the air longer then most players as a Wiz. But again, I understand that there's different factors that need to be taken into account, most of which are MJ's ability to move the ball in the air, control his body and have great balance. So even if he stays in the air the same amount of time as Wade, MJ's body control allows him to achieve more or at the very least look like it.

And I believe even you also just admitted that vertical jump does play a significant role in one's hang time.

You can only do stuff in the air for as long as you stay in the air though. An ice skater needs to have a certain vert to do a certain amount of flips, if they cannot jump high enough, there is no body control or balance they can master, they can be the best in the world, but they will never do 4 flips in the air because you need to have a certain vert. If you just cant jump high enough you can't do stuff. If you can do a crazy amount of fakes and still seem like you're high above the ground, its because you were just that much higher above the ground at your peak.

MJ probably jumps higher than nearly everyone btw. And I guess, but hang time is just nonexistent in the context YOU are trying to use it. Its an effect, not an action that some people do worse or something. The higher u are in the air the more ur in the air, thats all.

another thing about jordan is that because of his ease to grip the ball which isnt seen that much with players his size, he was able to start doing fakes and "moves" before he was even at his peak because he never had to worry about dropping the ball.

[plowking]

Dude you ever go to Cloudland in the Valley?

Yeah mate. Great place. Bit hard to pull any women considering everyone is quite comfortable in their little social groups there.

I usually head to Friday's in the city. Cover charge as well, but its a great spot along the river, nice view, and a decent class of people. Let me know if you're heading in, we can catch up, or better yet, play some ball on the weekend.

[NumberSix]

Hang time doesn't exist.

Hold up a banana in one hand and a cinder-block in the other. Drop them and they'll both hit the floor at the exact same time. Size and weight makes no difference. The both fall the same.

[BruceLeeBowen]

Didn't sports science disprove hangtime already?
Anyway here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZqVq5LrdQQ

[Calabis]

SHOW us him jumping 45 or 46 inches:roll:

Show me something saying he had less than a 42 inch vertical, show me something that disproves any of the articles posted, show me when u have seen Jordan jumping without the ball in a non game, competition.....and his free throw dunk in Chicago his head peaked at rim level

[NumberSix]

Show me something saying he had less than a 42 inch vertical, show me something that disproves any of the articles posted, show me when u have seen Jordan jumping without the ball in a non game, competition.....and his free throw dunk in Chicago his head peaked at rim level
Show me something that specifically says Luke Walton doesn't have a 90 inch vertical.

[Calabis]

Show me something that specifically says Luke Walton doesn't have a 90 inch vertical.


LMAO....exactly, but until we hear from several other players on that level talk about what a great leaper he is, then I'll assume he doesn't.

I'm 6'4 at my peak I was touching the top of the square, I hit a late growth spurt from 17-18 went from 5'10 to 6'3 in a summer....I would assume my highest peak of jumping would have been 34-35 inches. Jumping and dunking I was above average, I could wow the locals in the gyms and leagues.....with that said, I played against verified elite hops....Mark McCall played at UTEP, had a 42 inch vertical leap, he went on to play for the Harlem Globetrotters due to his dunking ability. He stands about 6'2.5 almost 6'3....I have seen this mfer's head damn near rim level on put back dunks over people. Michael Dickerson U of A was very explosive also, not on McCalls level, but had to be damn near 40 inches. What I have seen from MJ is he's easily on McCalls level if not greater.

Also Chase Budinger has a 40 inch vertical, according to NBA.COM, he's 6'7 his head is close to rim level...of course he's jumping without the ball in his hand

Avg Leap for DB's and WR's 38.5 inches

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY295ezIH0&feature=player_embedded

Do I think Jordan is getting 48 inches(4ft off the ground) this way, no, but do I think guys like him, Vince, Dr. J, David Thompson, Nique, James and other elite top tier leapers can while running and jumping....I think its possible if everything goes right they can accomplish this. Jordan hitting his head on the rim or getting slightly above rim level is not some super amazing impossible feat. He needs 42-45 inches to accomplish this without the ball:confusedshrug:

[Richie2k6]

Does no one understand the difference between a max recorded vertical & in-game jumping?

When recording ones vertical, the jump is done in a manner where the player moves as little laterally as possible. Weather it's 1-step, 2-step or a simple collect & jump, you don't want to be losing inches by having lateral movement.

In game dunks specifically focus on lateral movement with vertical movement coming second. Very rarely are guards dunking off a collect jump or a 1-step jump because the opportunities for such dunks are prevented by bigs typically.
thank you. someone with some sense.

half of you don't understand the difference between getting a recorded vertical and playing with a basketball in your hand and 5 other men trying to stop you. players can usually jump higher in an empty gym with no ball, than in a game where they're driving hard to the rim. it's common sense. "so and so has never had his head reach so and so point". well that's because 1) he's probably not trying to jump his absolute highest, and 2) he's probably jumping at a 6'10 250 pound big man.

[eliteballer]

Show me something saying he had less than a 42 inch vertical, show me something that disproves any of the articles posted, show me when u have seen Jordan jumping without the ball in a non game, competition.....and his free throw dunk in Chicago his head peaked at rim level

The burden of proof is on YOU, not us because Jordan never remotely showed jumping 48 inches.


LMAO....exactly, but until we hear from several other players on that level talk about what a great leaper he is, then I'll assume he doesn't.

He said that to point out the stupidity in your statement.

[TMacMagic]

I'm pretty sure MJ had a 50 inch vertical. If you're jumping from the free throw line WITH a ball and your head becomes level with the rim you at least have a 45 inch vertical.

[swi7ch]

He had 49.3"

[kenny817]

MJ didn't have a 48 vert. Lebron supposely has a 45 vert and he has never had his head over the rim despite being atleast 3 inches taller and longer arms.

You didn't watch 20 year old Bron then

[Calabis]

The burden of proof is on YOU, not us because Jordan never remotely showed jumping 48 inches.



He said that to point out the stupidity in your statement.

:facepalm

Please tell me when u seen Jordans vert measured....the only evidence we have is reports of 42 to 48 inches...we have pics of him getting his head near rim level leaning and bending with a ball, we have him getting rim level at the peak of his free throw dunk,.... u must jump like shit because anyone knows that jumping without a ball is much easier then with one. I can't help it that ur ass doesn't understand the difference from jumping in a game or a dunk contest, to jumping for measurements trying to power straight up.....ur whole Jordan never hit his head on the rim in a game or dunk contest means he can't is a weak ass arguement.....as I said before, ive seen elite jumping live and up close, no doubt in my mind that Jordan could get his head to rim or slightly above

[eliteballer]

You DONT need 48 inches to get your head to the rim at Jordans size. You only need about 42, and thats about as high as we've seen Jordan:wtf:

When we see ONE pic or video of his head over the rim can we even BEGIN to entertain a vertical over 42/43.

[jbot]

who cares if he did?

[Calabis]

You DONT need 48 inches to get your head to the rim at Jordans size. You only need about 42, and thats about as high as we've seen Jordan:wtf:

When we see ONE pic or video of his head over the rim can we even BEGIN to entertain a vertical over 42/43.

So you seen him get 42 inches off the ground, jumping from the free throw line, from 15 feet out, with the ball in hand after dribbling and cocking the ball back to his ear.....so everyone else is retarded then, because we assume he can probably get higher, if he doesn't have a ball in hand and his goal is to power straight up? :facepalm Ok if you say so. 45 inches is not impossible to believe

Sorry but I don't think its impossible for elite leapers like Jordan to get 3.5 to 4 feet off the ground on their best/perfect jump, with no ball, attempting to power straight up.

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Michael-Jordan-vertical-3.jpg

[AceManIII]

Just wanted to point out that the burden of proof is on you guys (eliteballer & NumberSix). You can't deny something with your opinion, then demand evidence in a rational debate.

Stop being ignorant/hard-headed :no:

[NumberSix]

Just wanted to point out that the burden of proof is on you guys (eliteballer & NumberSix). You can't deny something with your opinion, then demand evidence in a rational debate.

Stop being ignorant/hard-headed :no:
What? :roll:

I never said he did or didn't. Nor did I ask a single person for evidence.

Da fuq son? :wtf:

[KevinNYC]

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Michael-Jordan-vertical-3.jpg

What the hell is happening in this shot?

Also check this clip I just saw. Dunno how legit this is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbVJ1IvYkaI

Also this is a claimed 48" vertical. 5'9" trying to touch the rim with his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQL7fwg3CE

[Calabis]

What the hell is happening in this shot?

Also check this clip I just saw. Dunno how legit this is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbVJ1IvYkaI

Also this is a claimed 48" vertical. 5'9" trying to touch the rim with his head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQL7fwg3CE

Glad you posted this, look at the first vid, his head is well above the rim, damn near looks like his shoulders are almost rim level....now let's look at his in game highlights overseas? Why is his head not over the rim.....this is why eliteballer is a troll....dude acting like he witnessed MJ's max vert with no ball, when in reality all he has seen is in game footage or dunk contest dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkGPAAl7hYw

Also David Thompson 44 inch vertical leap, show me dunks where he is head level with rim, yet even he states he could touch top of backboard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQPVKQIFxVk&feature=related