Why does nobody ever talk of Alex English?

[bmd]

Looking at his stats, they are pretty impressive.

I'm 18, so I didn't grow up with 80's basketball, and only recently have I even heard of this guy because nobody ever seems to talk about him.

Why is this?

Based on his stats, why is he not talked about more?

[WillC]

Awesome scorer.

Atrocious defender.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Probably b/c he never was on a title-winning team. And for some reason, American sports culture thinks if you don't win a title then you are a terrible player, terrible human being, deserve to die and be forgotten in history.

[StateOfMind12]

The same reason nobody ever talks about Mitch Richmond and nobody will ever talk about Tracy McGrady in 5-10 years.

His prime was just wasted on with very mediocre teams and he never had much team success.

[bmd]

Probably b/c he never was on a title-winning team. And for some reason, American sports culture thinks if you don't win a title then you are a terrible player, terrible human being, deserve to die and be forgotten in history.Barkley never won a title... and he is always talked about.

[bmd]

The same reason nobody ever talks about Mitch Richmond and nobody will ever talk about Tracy McGrady in 5-10 years.

His prime was just wasted on with very mediocre teams. I believe he was also kind of one-dimensional as well.How good was Mitch Richmond? I never really watched him play, but I think of him as being primarily a 3-point shooter.

[Batz]

Barkley never won a title... and he is always talked about.
Barkley is probably the most iconic personality in the history of the NBA. And taking that personality to television with TNT only helps his popularity. He'll be talked about forever.

[StateOfMind12]

How good was Mitch Richmond? I never really watched him play, but I think of him as being primarily a 3-point shooter.
A lot of people say that he was the 2nd best SG in the 90s or definitely in the late 90s (post '95).

Richmond in his prime was probably better than Ray Allen was in his and he was definitely better than Reggie Miller during the time. His prime was just wasted with the Kings while Reggie was playing on pretty talented Indiana Pacers teams. Most acknowledged though that Richmond was better since Richmond always ranked ahead of Reggie Miller in the All-NBA spots and always took the spot from him.

[WillC]

Barkley never won a title... and he is always talked about.

Barkley led his team to the Finals against extremely strong Western Conference competition and performed admirably against the Bulls.

Meanwhile, Barkley was an elite scorer and rebounder who led his team to excellent regular season records season after season.

Alex English had a phenomenal mid-range game.

The end.

[WillC]

A lot of people say that he was the best SG in the 90s or definitely in the late 90s (post '95).

Ever heard of Michael Jordan?

:facepalm

ISH: home of the idiots.

[AlphaWolf24]

Looking at his stats, they are pretty impressive.

I'm 18, so I didn't grow up with 80's basketball, and only recently have I even heard of this guy because nobody ever seems to talk about him.

Why is this?

Based on his stats, why is he not talked about more?


Because he was playing in an era with 2 other great superstars who clearly overshadowed him(Magic and Bird) who's rivalry was center stage( He was not the only great player to get overshadowed in teh 80's)....then came Jordan who did everything Alex did 10X's better and way more exciting to watch.

[knickscity]

A lot of people say that he was the best SG in the 90s or definitely in the late 90s (post '95).

Richmond in his prime was probably better than Ray Allen was in his and he was definitely better than Reggie Miller during the time. His prime was just wasted with the Kings while Reggie was playing on pretty talented Indiana Pacers teams. Most acknowledged though that Richmond was better since Richmond always ranked ahead of Reggie Miller in the All-NBA spots and always took the spot from him.
Richmond over Jordan?

[StateOfMind12]

Richmond over Jordan?

Ever heard of Michael Jordan?

:facepalm

ISH: home of the idiots.

I meant 2nd best SG, I forgot to add the 2nd sorry.

[Legends66NBA7]

Based on his stats, why is he not talked about more?

Similar reasons as to why I will assume Adrian Dantley, Bernard King, Marques Johnson, etc... don't get talked about enough. They were all playing the same position of Larry Bird and got overshadowed, along with other SF's (outside of Dr. J).

Also, it should be noted while his stats look good, you also have to keep them in some context.

From every full season he played for the Denver Nuggets, they had the #1 ranking in pace, except for his final season in Denver, 89-90... and even then, they were ranked #2 in pace.

So while his numbers are good and he was very good scorer and shooter, most should have the opinion that they were inflated numbers.

Also, not enough playoff success, though they came close to getting to the Finals in 1985. He did raise his game in the playoffs, though.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Barkley never won a title... and he is always talked about.
He is one of the exceptions, not the rule. Considering he's on TV a few times a week, it's a constant reminder to the fan about him and therefore reminded of his greatness as well.

But had he gone the coaching route like Ewing or recluse route like Stockton, he'd probably be talked about as much as they are.

But it's hard to deny the perceived hero worship of title winners that American sports culture has. I mean, Elgin Baylor and Artis Gilmore seem to already be close to forgotten in history to the average fan. I wouldn't be surprised if Stockton, Malone, Ewing, etc will be in that same "forgotten" category as well in another couple decades.

[WillC]

I meant 2nd best SG, I forgot to add the 2nd sorry.

So, not only did you forget about Jordan, but you also think Mitch Richmond was better than Clyde Drexler?

You're a bright spark, aren't you? :applause:

[StateOfMind12]

Barkley never won a title... and he is always talked about.
Barkley was always contending for a title though. He always had a chance to win so he almost always had teams good enough to especially after he left Philly.

Also, Barkley was an MVP candidate year in and year out whereas English really wasn't. The closest English was probably 6th or maybe 5th. The issue though is that the MVP is also very reliant on how your team success is.

[StateOfMind12]

So, not only did you forget about Jordan, but you also think Mitch Richmond was better than Clyde Drexler?

You're a bright spark, aren't you? :applause:
Overall in the 90s? Possibly considering how Drexler went on a decline after '95 and Richmond was entering in his prime and peak years. Like I said, Richmond was not the best in the early 90s but he was definitely the best in the late 90s after '95.

Richmond was arguably better than Drexler in the overall 90s due to more great years. He wasn't better in his peak though than Drexler was in '92.

[knickscity]

I meant 2nd best SG, I forgot to add the 2nd sorry.
Richmond wasn't second either.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

So, not only did you forget about Jordan, but you also think Mitch Richmond was better than Clyde Drexler?

You're a bright spark, aren't you? :applause:
well, to his credit, he did specify late 90s and said "a lot of ppl think", he didn't say he thought that himself. :D

edit:
well, he specified post-'95. Drexler wasn't the same his last few years.

[StateOfMind12]

well, to his credit, he did specify late 90s and said "a lot of ppl think", he didn't say he thought that himself. :D
Correct, I actually never stated that I believe Richmond was the 2nd best SG in the 90s. I just said that a lot of people believe it and it is arguable but he was definitely the 2nd best SG after '95 though or in the late 90s.

[Legends66NBA7]

Barkley never won a title... and he is always talked about.

Barkley was a more potent scorer, rebounder, passer, and even a defender than English. He was the better player and also had the personality for more screen time these days... so even younger peope recognize him.

Barkley was considered the best player at his position for a number of years. I doubt English ever was.

Barkley was a bigger threat to be MVP for multiple years. English wasn't.

Barkley was a better playoff performer than English.

Barkley is considered in the Top 3-5 all-time for Power Forwards. English, I believe, barley would scratch most people's Top 10 all-time for Small Forwards.

Barkley is considered Top 15-20, all-time for players and careers. English isn't even considered Top 50, all-time for players and careers.

Above reasons is why Barkley's more talked about. Also, if he wins a title or two and clearly dominates, he has more than a strong argument for Top 10, in most people's lists.... I would say he would be talked about more than English winning a title and dominating.

[WillC]

Correct, I actually never stated that I believe Richmond was the 2nd best SG in the 90s. I just said that a lot of people believe it and it is arguable but he was definitely the 2nd best SG after '95 though or in the late 90s.

Definitely better than Reggie Miller?

Definitely better than Allen Iverson?

You like to use hyperbole.

Meanwhile, let's not get this twisted: you said Richmond was THE best SG of the 1990s, until I pointed out you'd forgotten about Jordan.

[StateOfMind12]

Definitely better than Reggie Miller?

Definitely better than Allen Iverson?
Yes and Yes.

Richmond was always voted on higher and more All-NBA teams over Miller so even those people understood and knew who the better player was. Usually those people favor players that have more team success like Miller too but it was obvious that Richmond was so much better that not even team success could help Miller.

Iverson wasn't doing anything Richmond wasn't doing from '96-'99. Iverson had a great year in '99 but before then Richmond was quite clearly better and Richmond clearly was better overall in the 90s due to his body of work whereas Iverson was drafted in '96 so he only played for like half of the decade, less than that actually.




Meanwhile, let's not get this twisted: you said Richmond was THE best SG of the 1990s, until I pointed out you'd forgotten about Jordan.
No, I just forgot to add 2nd to that sentence so sorry for forgetting a word.

And as I said, I never said I believe it, I just said many people do believe it.


A lot of people say that he was the 2nd best SG in the 90s or definitely in the late 90s (post '95).

And then I edited recently the word 2nd because I forgot it originally.

I never said I agree with it or anything. I just said it's arguable and he has a strong case for it.

[bmd]

So basically what I am gathering from the responses is that he was a great scorer, but that's it. He was also on a bad team, so people will never remember the teams who never made it to the finals.

But looking at the stats, Denver went to the playoffs a lot when English was there.

They made it to the conference finals.

So it's not like he was on a team like today's Wizards or something like that.

But I get the point... we remember those who led their teams to championships unless they were beyond exceptional.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

I'm not saying this as a homer (I'm not even a Kings "fan" really, just a supporter), but Richmond was a helluva lot better than most ppl seem to remember. He was an elite, efficient scorer who was also unselfish. He just was on awful teams and didn't have an engaging/attention-whoring personality.

I may not agree w/ him being the 2nd best 2G in the midlate 90s, but I definitely can respect that opinion.

[MasterDurant24]

Why would anybody want to talk about Alex English, he has great numbers but he was one of, if not the, most boring scorers ever. Plus I wouldn't say he was as good as of a scorer as Bernard King and Adrian Dantley, two other big time scorers in the 80's. English was mainly a jumpshooter.

[knickscity]

I'm not saying this as a homer (I'm not even a Kings "fan" really, just a supporter), but Richmond was a helluva lot better than most ppl seem to remember. He was an elite, efficient scorer who was also unselfish. He just was on awful teams and didn't have an engaging/attention-whoring personality.

I may not agree w/ him being the 2nd best 2G in the midlate 90s, but I definitely can respect that opinion.
He was very good, but he doesn't get the nod over Jordan or Clyde.

Maybe Reggie and that's debatable.

Honestly I can't really say he's better than sprewell.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

He was very good, but he doesn't get the nod over Jordan or Clyde.

Maybe Reggie and that's debatable.

Honestly I can't really say he's better than sprewell.
the real shame in all of this is that it shows how shallow the SG talent pool is in today's NBA scene...lol.

[knickscity]

the real shame in all of this is that it shows how shallow the SG talent pool is in today's NBA scene...lol.
Definitely.

[Xiao Yao You]

So basically what I am gathering from the responses is that he was a great scorer, but that's it. He was also on a bad team, so people will never remember the teams who never made it to the finals.

But looking at the stats, Denver went to the playoffs a lot when English was there.

They made it to the conference finals.

So it's not like he was on a team like today's Wizards or something like that.

But I get the point... we remember those who led their teams to championships unless they were beyond exceptional.

When they first went to the 16 playoff format there were only 23 teams so until they added 4 teams in the late 80's or early 90's only 7 teams didn't make the playoffs so it wasn't a huge accomplishment. Denver was an exciting team. Scored a lot. Didn't play much d. They weren't bad. Just not great. They also had other guys putting up big numbers so English wasn't always even considered the best guy on his team.

Also games weren't televised as much even locally. Denver is a small market as well. Unlike Carmelo he didn't have the hype coming out of college and didn't self promote himself either.


Honestly I can't really say he's better than sprewell.

Definitely better than Spree.

[DKLaker]

Looking at his stats, they are pretty impressive.

I'm 18, so I didn't grow up with 80's basketball, and only recently have I even heard of this guy because nobody ever seems to talk about him.

Why is this?

Based on his stats, why is he not talked about more?

He was a great player!!! The problem on here is that these kids never saw him play and their parents only hyped up the Bird, Jordan, Magic thing so they are attracted to find out and debate on those guys. same with Wilt, KAJ, Russell.
You hear nothing about David Thompson, Terry Cummings etc... and even little about Dr. J's teams, George Gervin, Artis Gilmore......kids don't know.....they have to find out and looking at stats is not anywhere as good as watching the games.

[Collie]

There are lots of great scorers in NBA history. English doesn't really stand out. He wasn't better than Gervin. He wasn't as exciting as Bernard King, Nique or David Thompson. he wasn't as iconic as Pistol Pete. He's probably in the Dantley level when it comes to popularity, but even then Dantley was a unique player so he gets a little attention.

[Knicksfever2010]

Probably b/c he never was on a title-winning team. And for some reason, American sports culture thinks if you don't win a title then you are a terrible player, terrible human being, deserve to die and be forgotten in history.

yeah must suck to be patrick ewing :(

[andgar923]

From what I know of him, he was playing in Denver for starters, his game was basic and boring to watch for most, was very quiet and lacked charisma so he never got any attention from sponsors and the NBA didn't promote him because of those reasons.

So if he doesn't get promoted by the league, he doesn't get fan buzz due to his basic style of play, people will automatically overlook him, specially when there was other great forwards/guards.

Then we didn't have ESPN and 24hr Sports highlights, interweb chat rooms, videos, Twitter, etc.etc. Somebody brought up a great point when they mentioned Tmac being forgotten 15 years from now. People will say Tmac who? they'll probably even laugh at him and use him as an insult to make fun of other players, but Tmac was great and had a chance to be one of the best if he never had injuries. A good example of how English's game can translate into today's is probably Pierce at his best. Pierce for the most part has a very basic old school game. He has a great mid range with a nice shot (although Alex's was better), but people don't consider him a superstar and if he didn't win a title he'd be forgotten as well. But those of us who saw him play will tell you how bad he was in his prime. The same will be said about Melo 20 years from now.

[Rowe]

Awesome scorer.

Atrocious defender.
:facepalm

You never saw him play.

[Rowe]

When they first went to the 16 playoff format there were only 23 teams so until they added 4 teams in the late 80's or early 90's only 7 teams didn't make the playoffs so it wasn't a huge accomplishment. Denver was an exciting team. Scored a lot. Didn't play much d. They weren't bad. Just not great. They also had other guys putting up big numbers so English wasn't always even considered the best guy on his team.

Also games weren't televised as much even locally. Denver is a small market as well. Unlike Carmelo he didn't have the hype coming out of college and didn't self promote himself either.



Definitely better than Spree.

No.

[TheBigVeto]

Awesome scorer.

Atrocious defender.

So is Magic but he's still being discussed.

[G.O.A.T]

Alex English was the leading scorer in the NBA for the decade of the 1980's. Very few players have ever been as consistent and non-disruptive as a scorer. English had the best mid-range game of his time able to shoot off the dribble or on catch and shoot with ease. His numbers were inflated slightly by the era and the style of play of the Doug Moe Nuggets, one of the most up and down teams of all-time. Still, guy was pure scorer. He had a vicious first step and a high release on his jumper that made him very hard to stop. Think Dirk Nowitzki in that regard. English had a few nice post moves, could get into the lane and finish as well, but his best move was his turnaround. Rather it was off the dribble or out of the post, it was his go-to when he needed to score.

His weakness was defense. He didn't really play any and I'm not sure he'd have been any good even if he applied himself. He like many other star forwards of that era (Mullin, King, Nique, Aguirre, Dantley etc.) was not big on defending. Perhaps in today's climate he'd have been a better defender, obviously a greater emphasis is placed on it now than in the 70's when English was coming of age.



Richmond in his prime was probably better than Ray Allen was in his and he was definitely better than Reggie Miller during the time. His prime was just wasted with the Kings while Reggie was playing on pretty talented Indiana Pacers teams. Most acknowledged though that Richmond was better since Richmond always ranked ahead of Reggie Miller in the All-NBA spots and always took the spot from him.

Richmond produced more numbers, Miller produced more wins. You have fun thinking Mitch was better, I have Miller almost 80 spots higher than him on the all-time list. I am confused by how you could watch the two guys play, know how their careers turned out and still even suggest that Richmond is in the same ball park.

[WillC]

:facepalm

You never saw him play.

If you say so, kiddo :pimp:

[DaHeezy]

A lot of people say that he was the 2nd best SG in the 90s or definitely in the late 90s (post '95).

Richmond in his prime was probably better than Ray Allen was in his and he was definitely better than Reggie Miller during the time. His prime was just wasted with the Kings while Reggie was playing on pretty talented Indiana Pacers teams. Most acknowledged though that Richmond was better since Richmond always ranked ahead of Reggie Miller in the All-NBA spots and always took the spot from him.

Richmond was overrated. Always regarded as the second best SG ath the time but what did he really accomplish? He had Tim Hardaway AND Chris Mullin but couldn't do much. Even at the prime of his career with the Kings he was just mediocre. Granted the team wasn't the most highly touted but the were great servicable role players (This gives me a good idea for another thread)
He did have a decent game. I saw him as if Monta Ellis grew a body.

[DaHeezy]

A lot of people say that he was the 2nd best SG in the 90s or definitely in the late 90s (post '95).

Richmond in his prime was probably better than Ray Allen was in his and he was definitely better than Reggie Miller during the time. His prime was just wasted with the Kings while Reggie was playing on pretty talented Indiana Pacers teams. Most acknowledged though that Richmond was better since Richmond always ranked ahead of Reggie Miller in the All-NBA spots and always took the spot from him.

Richmond was overrated. Always regarded as the second best SG ath the time but what did he really accomplish? He had Tim Hardaway AND Chris Mullin but couldn't do much. Even at the prime of his career with the Kings he was just mediocre. Granted the team wasn't the most highly touted but the were great servicable role players (This gives me a good idea for another thread)
He did have a decent game. I saw him as if Monta Ellis grew a body.

[glidedrxlr22]

Who scored the most point during the 80s?

answer: Alex English 20,212 pts

Use that one on your pals that think they know everything about basketball trivia.

[Rowe]

If you say so, kiddo :pimp:
No I'm fairly certain you didnt.

[Math2]

The same reason nobody ever talks about Mitch Richmond and nobody will ever talk about Tracy McGrady in 5-10 years.

His prime was just wasted on with very mediocre teams and he never had much team success.

It's different with McGrady....Come on, he's fun to make fun of.

[Rowe]

Alex English was the leading scorer in the NBA for the decade of the 1980's. Very few players have ever been as consistent and non-disruptive as a scorer. English had the best mid-range game of his time able to shoot off the dribble or on catch and shoot with ease. His numbers were inflated slightly by the era and the style of play of the Doug Moe Nuggets, one of the most up and down teams of all-time. Still, guy was pure scorer. He had a vicious first step and a high release on his jumper that made him very hard to stop. Think Dirk Nowitzki in that regard. English had a few nice post moves, could get into the lane and finish as well, but his best move was his turnaround. Rather it was off the dribble or out of the post, it was his go-to when he needed to score.

His weakness was defense. He didn't really play any and I'm not sure he'd have been any good even if he applied himself. He like many other star forwards of that era (Mullin, King, Nique, Aguirre, Dantley etc.) was not big on defending. Perhaps in today's climate he'd have been a better defender, obviously a greater emphasis is placed on it now than in the 70's when English was coming of age.




Richmond produced more numbers, Miller produced more wins. You have fun thinking Mitch was better, I have Miller almost 80 spots higher than him on the all-time list. I am confused by how you could watch the two guys play, know how their careers turned out and still even suggest that Richmond is in the same ball park.

You think he watched either player in their prime?

He's barely 21 if he is even that old.

Too many people in here are looking at basketball reference and talking out of their ass on past players. It's no wonder that the same reason why this thread was created is because people only know of Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc. This is why we get 5-10 threads each day asking the same questions about those 3 players.

[Raz]

I meant 2nd best SG, I forgot to add the 2nd sorry.

Before 95, I would take Drexler. After 95, there are a lot more choices

[SHAQisGOAT]

One of the many overlooked/underrated players from the past. Never had team success, never was with a famous team, never was that famous, just gets forgotten.

He was a great scorer, amazing mid range game, high quick release, could attack the basket. Also a solid passer and rebounder.

[Smoke117]

He's not talked about because as someone said the pace those Nuggets played at. There was a lot of points to be scored on that nuggets team. The other thing is he was a very one dimensional player. His rebounds and assists are highly inflated by the pace they played at. Of course there are going to be a lot of rebounds to grab and more assists to dish with all those shots going up. History never looks back favorably on players that did nothing but score (remember that Carmelo), especially if it was during the 80s where a lot of scoring is inflated. I'd take the best of Sidney Moncrief over the best of Alex English any day.

[Hotlantadude81]

Richmond was slightly better than Joe Johnson. That's it.

[StateOfMind12]

Richmond produced more numbers, Miller produced more wins.
Sure, if you want to ignore how much better Miller's teammates were and how Richmond was stuck playing on some bottom feeder Sacramento Kings team where he only managed to lead them to the playoffs once.


You have fun thinking Mitch was better, I have Miller almost 80 spots higher than him on the all-time list.
I know you do. You are a fan of Reggie. I could ask Kblaze this question and he would probably have Richmond higher.

Anyways, I probably have Reggie higher in my all-time list due to his longevity and accomplishments but we don't know what Richmond could have done with Reggie's like supporting cast.


I am confused by how you could watch the two guys play, know how their careers turned out and still even suggest that Richmond is in the same ball park.
Richmond being the better player would be why. I'm just saying who was better from '95-'99. I'm not saying he had a better career than him because he quite obviously didn't. I do think Richmond had a better peak though and that is mainly because Richmond is more multi-dimensional and just as dangerous of a scorer.

[StateOfMind12]

Richmond was overrated. Always regarded as the second best SG ath the time
This was my point. A lot of people just regarded him as the 2nd best SG. I never said he was, I never said I thought he was, I never said anything about what I think. I'm just telling what most people thought. I do think he was better than Reggie at the time though, looking back.

2nd best SG overall in the 90s? It's arguable, not like he has no debate.


what did he really accomplish?
Well again, his team pretty much sucked. It would be like blaming KG for not going to the playoffs with Minnesota from '05-'07.

[Smoke117]

Richmond produced more numbers, Miller produced more wins. You have fun thinking Mitch was better, I have Miller almost 80 spots higher than him on the all-time list. I am confused by how you could watch the two guys play, know how their careers turned out and still even suggest that Richmond is in the same ball park.

I don't give a shit about the Richmond vs Miller argument, but EVERYONE basically thinks you have Miller way too high on the all-time list.

[Rowe]

Richmond was slightly better than Joe Johnson. That's it.

What in the hell.

Am I in bizzaro world on this website?:wtf:

Mitch Richmond & Reggie Miller were significantly better than a prime Joe Johnson was. It has nothing to do with Johnson's inability to step up in the Playoffs, but from the fact you're talking about 2 players in Rock & Reggie who were Elite at certain aspects of the game that made them dominant. Joe Johnson is simply a man of many talents, but a master of none.

[Rowe]

I don't give a shit about the Richmond vs Miller argument, but EVERYONE basically thinks you have Miller way too high on the all-time list.

Reggie Miller was a superior player to Mitch Richmond in their respective primes. Reggie gets underrated way too much here by people who only look at his PPG and argue he couldn't have been that great of a "scorer" if he didn't put up the huge numbers we've become accustomed to in the lax defensive generation of the 2000's in the NBA.

[Hotlantadude81]

What in the hell.

Am I in bizzaro world on this website?:wtf:

Mitch Richmond & Reggie Miller were significantly better than a prime Joe Johnson was. It has nothing to do with Johnson's inability to step up in the Playoffs, but from the fact you're talking about 2 players in Rock & Reggie who were Elite at certain aspects of the game that made them dominant. Joe Johnson is simply a man of many talents, but a master of none.

Joe at his best is 21/5/6.

Neither Richmond nor Miller is way better than that. In fact, Miller was mostly a one trick pony.

[Rowe]

Joe at his best is 21/5/6.

Neither Richmond nor Miller is way better than that. In fact, Miller was mostly a one trick pony.

Stats dont tell the whole story.

Espescially when Joe Johnson was essentially playing Point Guard for the Atlanta Hawks, a terrible one at that, but thats all Mike Woodson could come up with to do for him since their FO blew it on too many Forwards.

Reggie Miller a one trick pony? Thats beyond ridiculous.:roll:

Just because a guy was "Elite" at a certain skill doesn't mean they didn't bring far more to the game than what their highlight mixes showcase. Then to claim they're a one trick pony because of it makes no sense at all. And for that matter I'll take a star player who brings an "Elite" skill over a player who does a lot of things they aren't great at.

Joe Johnson might work 40 minutes to give you 5 rebounds & assists, but so does LeBron, and everyone knows LeBron gets those numbers in his sleep.

[Smoke117]

Stats dont tell the whole story.

Espescially when Joe Johnson was essentially playing Point Guard for the Atlanta Hawks, a terrible one at that, but thats all Mike Woodson could come up with to do for him since their FO blew it on too many Forwards.

Reggie Miller a one trick pony? Thats beyond ridiculous.:roll:

Just because a guy was "Elite" at a certain skill doesn't mean they didn't bring far more to the game than what their highlight mixes showcase. Then to claim they're a one trick pony because of it makes no sense at all. And for that matter I'll take a star player who brings an "Elite" skill over a player who does a lot of things they aren't great at.

Joe Johnson might work 40 minutes to give you 5 rebounds & assists, but so does LeBron, and everyone knows LeBron gets those numbers in his sleep.

Alright, shut up Rowe. This isn't a thread about how OVERRATED you have Reggie Miller. This is a thread about Alex English.

[get these NETS]

I'd take the best of Sidney Moncrief over the best of Alex English any day.

AGREE

i think English is in the HOF and Moncrief isn't..all the more reason NOT to take any of that stuff seriously..

[Hotlantadude81]

Stats dont tell the whole story.

Espescially when Joe Johnson was essentially playing Point Guard for the Atlanta Hawks, a terrible one at that, but thats all Mike Woodson could come up with to do for him since their FO blew it on too many Forwards.

Reggie Miller a one trick pony? Thats beyond ridiculous.:roll:

Just because a guy was "Elite" at a certain skill doesn't mean they didn't bring far more to the game than what their highlight mixes showcase. Then to claim they're a one trick pony because of it makes no sense at all. And for that matter I'll take a star player who brings an "Elite" skill over a player who does a lot of things they aren't great at.

Joe Johnson might work 40 minutes to give you 5 rebounds & assists, but so does LeBron, and everyone knows LeBron gets those numbers in his sleep.

Miller was a great shooter, average rebounder and so so passer. Since he was great at his best attribute I would give him the edge. He is probably worth 4-6 wins more than Joe. Mitch... Again, he is a more skilled offensive player, but he wasn't WAY better. Hell, he played with Chris Mullin and Tim Hardaway for 3 years and still didn't manage more than 43 wins in either of those years.

Knocking Joe for playing PG works both ways. As much as I don't like him, he rarely gets quality shots. The one time he did, his shooting was off the charts.

[Rowe]

Alright, shut up Rowe. This isn't a thread about how OVERRATED you have Reggie Miller. This is a thread about Alex English.

Where did I say where I ranked Reggie Miller?:confusedshrug:

He's a Top 10 SG All-Time. Do you agree?

[DaHeezy]

This was my point. A lot of people just regarded him as the 2nd best SG. I never said he was, I never said I thought he was, I never said anything about what I think. I'm just telling what most people thought. I do think he was better than Reggie at the time though, looking back.

He may have been better at most facets of the game, but Reggie was a more fierce competitor, more clutch, the better scorer, and a better teammate.
Take for example a more modern day sample, who's better, Monta or Ray Allen?


2nd best SG overall in the 90s? It's arguable, not like he has no debate.

Debatable, but doesn't hold a strong foundation. Drexler and Miller had an edge due many facets


Well again, his team pretty much sucked. It would be like blaming KG for not going to the playoffs with Minnesota from '05-'07.

Remember he did play for the Warriors, and he had a prime Mullin and a lethal Tim Hardaway, give Drexler or Miller that and the Warriors could have ruled the 90's.

His team in Sacremento wasn't all to bad neither. Hurley was a poor mans Nash but effective, Brian Grant was a poor man's Rodman but could score and finish, Corliss, Adul-Rauf, Billy Owens, Sarunus....actually it's pretty bad.
But yeah, he may have not had the greatest situation, but being heralded as the second best SG....well maybe it was bad. Makes me wonder if Jordan could have carried this team....

[#number6ix#]

Bcuz he's not lebron Jordan or Kobe :confusedshrug:

[WillC]

Where did I say where I ranked Reggie Miller?:confusedshrug:

He's a Top 10 SG All-Time. Do you agree?

I don't think so.

1 Michael Jordan
2 Kobe Bryant
3 Jerry West (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
4 Dwyane Wade
5 George Gervin
6 Allen Iverson (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
7 Clyde Drexler
8 Sam Jones
9 Pete Maravich (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
10 Hal Greer
11 Bill Sharman
12 Earl Monroe (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
13 Dennis Johnson
14 Dave Bing (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
15 Ray Allen
16 Reggie Miller

[Bandito]

I don't think so.

1 Michael Jordan
2 Kobe Bryant
3 Jerry West (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
4 Dwyane Wade
5 George Gervin
6 Allen Iverson (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
7 Clyde Drexler
8 Sam Jones
9 Pete Maravich (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
10 Hal Greer
11 Bill Sharman
12 Earl Monroe (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
13 Dennis Johnson
14 Dave Bing (played some PG but regarded more as a SG or combo guard)
15 Ray Allen
16 Reggie MillerB1tch please Iverson is better than Wade or Gervin.

[Legends66NBA7]

B1tch please Iverson is better than Wade or Gervin.

You can argue Iverson vs Gervin, but not Wade.