Your thoughts on LeBron in Cleveland and now with Miami?

[StateOfMind12]

Does anyone here have a different view when LeBron when he was in Cleveland than you do now that he is in Miami?

For me, my thoughts on LeBron has been kind of a roller coaster.

During his first 5 years (to '08) in the league, I was quite indifferent about him. I wasn't too much of a fan but I wasn't a hater of his either. I didn't like the fact that he didn't play much defense and that his jump shot was crazy inconsistent and unreliable. I never bought the LeBron was the best player argument in 2008 and before.

I gained a lot of respect for LeBron in 2009 though specifically in the ECF when he played the Magic. I really hated that Magic team because of how much of 3 point chuckers they were. They were incredibly hot or cold and hit or miss. LeBron did absolutely whatever he could in that series to help his team win and he had probably the best series ever by a player on a losing team.

After that 2009 ECF, LeBron really became my favorite player. I respected LeBron's game, his prime, his effort, his determination to win, etc. in 2009. I also admired how far he carried his team despite how untalented and how horrendous his teammates were. His teammates completely choked that 2009 ECF and I couldn't believe there were people trying to blame Lebron for that 2009 ECF because he literally played his life out and did whatever he could to win that series. He came up short because his teammates came up short. He did his part.

I didn't watch much of Lebron in the 2009 regular season but I started to watch him regularly in 2010 especially whenever he was on national TV. He was just spectacular in every game. I had never seen a player as consistent as him. I really thought during that season that LeBron was going to surpass Michael Jordan as the greatest ever.

During the 2010 playoffs, Lebron was tearing it up until the last two games against Boston. I believe LeBron gets a lot of flack for what happened in those last two games and I don't buy that he quit on them. I believe he still played hard and I believe he tried to win but I do believe he thought he and his team was beat. His optimism just wasn't there but I don't believe that means that he quit.

I wanted LeBron to leave Cleveland because I was tired of seeing him waste his years and his prime years with such a horrid team. I really didn't care which team he went to. I personally preferred that he went to the Knicks over my Bulls because I wanted to see LeBron team up with Amare and create a nice Lebron/Amare vs. Wade/Bosh rivalry with Heat vs. Knicks. I wouldn't have been upset if he had gone to the Bulls though, I would have loved it but I just thought the Knicks would have been a better situation for him and the NBA at the time. When the rumors of LeBron were going to Miami became hotter and hotter, I had just wanted him to sign with any team except the Heat.

Then it turns out LeBron signs with the Heat and then I started hating on the guy. I hated on LeBron throughout the entire 2010-2011 season.

During the start of the 2012 season or by the 2012 all-star weekend, I had realized that it was irrational for the reasons that I hated him though because I shouldn't hate on a guy that just wants to play for a certain area and for a certain team. I always talk with friends all the time that I would love to live in this city someday or work in this city someday so I realized it was unfair and irrational that I hated LeBron for those very reasons so I stopped.

It also helped that Lebron talked about how immature he was or admits to how immature he was in 2011 and how the experience has humbled him in 2012 and how he has grown up.

I never really cared about the decision or the promise of him saying not 1, not 2, not 3, etc. I just hated the fact that he picked the Heat and didn't pick my team to play for and looking back at it, it was quite irrational of me to hate him because of that.

I always liked his game and I decided to really just become a fan and appreciate him again by the 2012 all-star weekend and throw the hate away especially when the hate is irrational.

My thoughts on LBJ has been a roller coaster as I said. I expect a lot of didn't reads though but I just want to know your thoughts on LeBron when he was in Cleveland and when he was in Miami.

[BrickingStar]

I hate LeBron because he moved from a team to another team that has nothing to do with my team.

[RRR3]

Always liked bron always will

[SilkkTheShocker]

Always been a fan no matter what. But I thought this was the year he put it all together. Posting up, taking less threes, and is much more mature. Cleveland Lebron was a little more quicker/bouncy, but this Lebron is an even more complete player. He was more exciting in Cleveland but thats really it. And agreed about that Magic team. Probably the most frustrating series I have watched in a long time. I always thought the Cavs surrounded him with crap, but 09 was when I was positive Lebron was leaving. Lebron had no reason to believe Cleveland would put the right pieces around him.

[Horde of Temujin]

I always wanted him to leave Cleveland. I felt that he was squandering his career with a bad organization that didnt surround him with the right personnel and coaches.

[PickernRoller]

RG is fan of no one, ripping him apart when he wasn't on the bandwagon was his thing.............taking rep and cred as a Lebron fan is now also his thing. :facepalm

Anyway why should perceptions change? "The Decision" Fiasco aside he's a great player, not without flaws however. One of them being a choker and quitter. Also unpolished in many parts of his game, specially his midrange jumpshot and moves to go along with it among other things. He learned how to win in 12', get over the "hump". Clearly wasn't ready mentally in years past with his game lacking in some aspects. He's always been a guy that through sheer physical ability hides lots of his flaws to those who can't notice but we got a taste of exposure in 11' as to which areas he had to improve and he did a decent job in 12'.

Great player what else is there to say?

[WockaVodka]

RG is fan of no one, ripping him apart when he wasn't on the bandwagon was his thing.............taking rep and cred as a Lebron fan is now also his thing. :facepalm

Anyway why should perceptions change? "The Decision" Fiasco aside he's a great player, not without flaws however. One of them being a choker and quitter. Also unpolished in many parts of his game, specially his midrange jumpshot and moves to go along with it among other things. He learned how to win in 12', get over the "hump". Clearly wasn't ready mentally in years past with his game lacking in some aspects. He's always been a guy that through sheer physical ability hides lots of his flaws but we got a taste of exposure in 11' as to which areas he had to improve and he did a decent job in 12'.

Great player what else is there to say?
Yeah, that or he finally just had some reliable teammates but nah, lets just go with the cool made up documentary narrative instead.

This is like the same bogus things they say about MJ and that MJ didn't learn to win or play like a team player until 1991 and that is why he won a championship. Everyone who knows anything about MJ knows that he only won in 1991 because he finally had a team to play with and nothing more.

[Horde of Temujin]

I like Lebron. However, I absolutely do not like D-wade, hes guilty by association.

[funnystuff]

He did what he had to do going to South Beach, he did what was best for his career and what was best for him.

This is coming from no bias at all... but Cleveland's front office was throwing him utter sh*t players, he also worked his ass off in that franchise. (Name another superstar that took scrubs to the finals.)
The "Decision" was definitely not a smart thing. Of course I don't believe he was being serious with the "not 1..not 2..", he was most likely just excited.

Even today fans dislike him for being excited.

That being said, I have been a fan of Lebrons game when he was in Cleveland and that certainly didn't change because of free agency.

[PickernRoller]

Yeah, that or he finally just had some reliable teammates but nah, lets just go with the cool made up documentary narrative instead.

This is like the same bogus things they say about MJ and that MJ didn't learn to win or play like a team player until 1991 and that is why he won a championship. Everyone who knows anything about MJ knows that he only won in 1991 because he finally had a team to play with and nothing more.

He had a team in 11' and choked? I am pretty sure you can elaborate as to why which I'll be delighted to hear any attempt at masking his shortcomings. BS, he wasn't ready period, mentally and his game also lacked in the same aspects he's always been criticized on....+ the East has a notoriety of being weak and only 2 teams are usually good enough to be championship contenders. When his team met those he as well as his team fell short. 2007 was a prime example. Compared to East "competition" Lebron has always had decent teams, not great but decent. He now has a great team that's good enough not only in getting to the Finals but winning it too. No one can go wrong with solid role players, from solid perimeter defenders, to great 3pt shooter specialist, to a FMVP in Wade and an All-Star PF in Bosh. That's what dynasties are actually made off.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I always wanted him to leave Cleveland. I felt that he was squandering his career with a bad organization that didnt surround him with the right personnel and coaches.


I wanted to see him win a ring there. But you could tell they just couldn't put the right pieces together. Plus, a lot of there fans didn't know a lot about basketball. A lot of them still blame Lebron for everything. Even though they were the Clippers of the East until came over.

[RRR3]

Yeah, that or he finally just had some reliable teammates but nah, lets just go with the cool made up documentary narrative instead.

This is like the same bogus things they say about MJ and that MJ didn't learn to win or play like a team player until 1991 and that is why he won a championship. Everyone who knows anything about MJ knows that he only won in 1991 because he finally had a team to play with and nothing more.
Eh lebron learned from his 2011 debacle IMO although he did have poor help in Cleveland

[WockaVodka]

He had a team in 11' and choked? I am pretty sure you can elaborate as to why which I'll be delighted to hear any attempt at masking his shortcomings. BS, he wasn't ready period, mentally and his game also lacked in the same aspects he's always been criticized on....+ the East has a notoriety of being weak and only 2 teams are usually good enough to be championship contenders. When his team met those he as well as his team fell short. 2007 was a prime example. Compared to East "competition" Lebron has always had decent teams, not great but decent. He now has a great team period that's good enough not only to get to the Finals but win it.

He wasn't missing any mentally or any sports cliche you just said in 09'. His team just wasn't good enough and that's about it.

did you even read what the OP said? he pretty much addressed this and stated why Lebron became a favorite player of his in the first place and it was because Lebron played his life out in that 09' ECF. I know what he is talking about and just about everyone who isn't a Lebron hater would agree with him.

I don't know how to explain his 11' failure because that was just flat out inexplicable. But he wasn't missing anything and he was more than ready to win a title in 09' or 10'.

[SilkkTheShocker]

It was annoying how in every playoff series, Cleveland had the best player and the opposing team had the next best 5 players. Only Cleveland and Kobe fans thought they gave him a good supporting cast.

[PickernRoller]

He wasn't missing any mentally or any sports cliche you just said in 09'. His team just wasn't good enough and that's about it.

did you even read what the OP said? he pretty much addressed this and stated why Lebron became a favorite player of his in the first place and it was because Lebron played his life out in that 09' ECF. I know what he is talking about and just about everyone who isn't a Lebron hater would agree with him.

I don't know how to explain his 11' failure because that was just flat out inexplicable. But he wasn't missing anything and he was more than ready to win a title in 09' or 10'.

Him and his teammates wasn't good enough period, being a great player in a weak @ss conference with a good team (again not great) gets you places but not over the hump if you are also not ready - whether getting to the Finals or not, he wasn't beating the Lakers by any stretch even if he had Wade and Bosh. Just like he wasn't good enough in 11' to beat Dirk proves it. That which you want to call "inexplicable" is called choking and choking happens for a reason. What he has today is a team good enough for dynasties.....great and beyond. 3 players in their prime whom are all All-stars with 2-FMVP, 2nd best SG in the game? Add to that a list of solid role players, defense and 3pt shooting specialist around him.........boy please.

1, he wasn't mentally ready....2, his game lacked in areas which till this day he lacks just to a lesser extent and he has also learned to overcome his deficiency better. That is, being able to perform when a defense's full purpose is to get the ball out of your hand, make you make tough choices or make you shoot jumpers you aren't comfortable in taking. The indecision and fear to shoot his team out of the game was what happened in 11'...it's not inexplicable, it's pretty simple to anyone not named LBJ homer.

He feared failure and that led to his inability to perform coupled with a part of his game that wasn't as polished. His deficiency still exist, however he controls the game more in key moments playing the point so that he or Wade can drive, PnR action and either get to the rim or pass to the open guy for a spot up 3. That all happened for a reason, it wasn't magical - it was to correct his deficiency as a player. He's bad playing off-the ball cause it makes him shoot jumpers most of the time or eating clock time when the lanes are packed....

[Jacks3]

I like Lebron. However, I absolutely do not like D-wade, hes guilty by association.
Same.

[LongLiveTheKing]

My view didn't change especially because he went with D-Wade my second favorite player :banana:
But I do know a lot of people who liked and hated him since he left the Cavs.

[StateOfMind12]

It was annoying how in every playoff series, Cleveland had the best player and the opposing team had the next best 5 players. Only Cleveland and Kobe fans thought they gave him a good supporting cast.
I agree.

I'm not sure if you read my OP post but that was why I wanted LeBron to leave because his teammates were just horrible. I have high doubts many players or any players really could honestly do what LeBron did with those 2009 and 2010 Cavs teams. It is an amazing accomplishment that LeBron managed to lead those two teams to 60+ wins.

I still wish he didn't pick Miami out of all of his options but I'm going to support and be a fan like I said. I had irrational hate for him in his first year in Miami but I eventually realized it was irrational and decided that it's not fair to him and became a fan again.

I think that LeBron would have went to the Bulls had the Heat not traded Daequen Cook to clear up space to sign 3 max contract players. I think as soon as that happened the Lebron to Miami rumors started heating up more and more and then it happened but originally the rumors were LeBron to Chicago.

[KOBE143]

I dont hate Lebron in Cleveland but when he goes to heat then that starts me to hate him.. A superstars in his prime joining other 2 superstars and be a sidekick to win a half cheap ring.. Where the hell is his pride? To shortcut and to win the ring the easy way is not a superstar and the best player in the league will do but he does.. I lost respect from him.. He deserved to be hated..

[DUP]

better off in cavs but whatever

[SilkkTheShocker]

I agree.

I'm not sure if you read my OP post but that was why I wanted LeBron to leave because his teammates were just horrible. I have high doubts many players or any players really could honestly do what LeBron did with those 2009 and 2010 Cavs teams. It is an amazing accomplishment that LeBron managed to lead those two teams to 60+ wins.

I still wish he didn't pick Miami out of all of his options but I'm going to support and be a fan like I said. I had irrational hate for him in his first year in Miami but I eventually realized it was irrational and decided that it's not fair to him and became a fan again.

I think that LeBron would have went to the Bulls had the Heat not traded Daequen Cook to clear up space to sign 3 max contract players. I think as soon as that happened the Lebron to Miami rumors started heating up more and more and then it happened but originally the rumors were LeBron to Chicago.


Good post. I was indifferent to him going to Miami. The only team I really didn't want to see him go was the Knicks. Overrated, dogs.hit franchise. I wouldn't mind see him go back to Cleveland one day if they have a squad to compete. But that bridge might be burned for good. I don't see him staying Miami long-term if Wade regresses too much. Great player, but he is one of the guys thats going to hit the wall hard when his athleticism goes.

[WockaVodka]

Him and his teammates wasn't good enough period, being a great player in a weak @ss conference with a good team (again not great) gets you places but not over the hump if you are also not ready - whether getting to the Finals or not, he wasn't beating the Lakers by any stretch even if he had Wade and Bosh. Just like he wasn't good enough in 11' to beat Dirk proves it. That which you want to call "inexplicable" is called choking and choking happens for a reason. What he has today is a team good enough for dynasties.....great and beyond. 3 players in their prime whom are all All-stars with a 2-FMVP, 2nd best SG in the game? Add to that a list of solid role players, defense and 3pt shooting specialist around him.........boy please.

One, he wasn't mentally ready....2, his game lacked in areas which till this day he lacks just to a lesser extent and he has also learned to overcome his deficiency better. That is, being able to perform when a defense's full purpose is to get the balls out of your hand, make you make tough choices or make you shoot jumpers you aren't comfortable in taking. The indecision and fear to shoot his team out of the game was what happened in 11'...it's not inexplicable, it's pretty simple to anyone not named LBJ homer. He feared failure and that led to his inability to perform coupled with a part of his game that wasn't as polished. His deficiency still exist, however he controls the game more in key moments playing the point so that he or Wade can drive and either get to the rim or pass to the open guy for spot up 3. That all happened for a reason, it wasn't magical. He's bad playing off-the ball cause it makes him shoot jumpers most of the time...
I like how this entire post addresses his 2011 failure but says nothing about his 2010 and 2009 seasons which was what I was referring to. I don't know what happened in 2011 but yes that was his fault. The Cavs 2009 and 2010 post-seasons failures was not his fault though.

[SilkkTheShocker]

better off in cavs but whatever


Yea, no.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I like how this entire post addresses his 2011 failure but says nothing about his 2010 and 2009 seasons which was what I was referring to. I don't know what happened in 2011 but yes that was his fault. The Cavs 2009 and 2010 post-seasons failures was not his fault though.


There were people on here that tried putting blame on him for the 2009 ECF :oldlol: And people always forget how Mo Williams and Jamison choked hard in the 2010 playoffs.

[Alter Ego]

Does anyone here have a different view when LeBron when he was in Cleveland than you do now that he is in Miami?

For me, my thoughts on LeBron has been kind of a roller coaster.

During his first 5 years (to '08) in the league, I was quite indifferent about him. I wasn't too much of a fan but I wasn't a hater of his either. I didn't like the fact that he didn't play much defense and that his jump shot was crazy inconsistent and unreliable. I never bought the LeBron was the best player argument in 2008 and before.

I gained a lot of respect for LeBron in 2009 though specifically in the ECF when he played the Magic. I really hated that Magic team because of how much of 3 point chuckers they were. They were incredibly hot or cold and hit or miss. LeBron did absolutely whatever he could in that series to help his team win and he had probably the best series ever by a player on a losing team.

After that 2009 ECF, LeBron really became my favorite player. I respected LeBron's game, his prime, his effort, his determination to win, etc. in 2009. I also admired how far he carried his team despite how untalented and how horrendous his teammates were. His teammates completely choked that 2009 ECF and I couldn't believe there were people trying to blame Lebron for that 2009 ECF because he literally played his life out and did whatever he could to win that series. He came up short because his teammates came up short. He did his part.

I didn't watch much of Lebron in the 2009 regular season but I started to watch him regularly in 2010 especially whenever he was on national TV. He was just spectacular in every game. I had never seen a player as consistent as him. I really thought during that season that LeBron was going to surpass Michael Jordan as the greatest ever.

During the 2010 playoffs, Lebron was tearing it up until the last two games against Boston. I believe LeBron gets a lot of flack for what happened in those last two games and I don't buy that he quit on them. I believe he still played hard and I believe he tried to win but I do believe he thought he and his team was beat. His optimism just wasn't there but I don't believe that means that he quit.

I wanted LeBron to leave Cleveland because I was tired of seeing him waste his years and his prime years with such a horrid team. I really didn't care which team he went to. I personally preferred that he went to the Knicks over my Bulls because I wanted to see LeBron team up with Amare and create a nice Lebron/Amare vs. Wade/Bosh rivalry with Heat vs. Knicks. I wouldn't have been upset if he had gone to the Bulls though, I would have loved it but I just thought the Knicks would have been a better situation for him and the NBA at the time. When the rumors of LeBron were going to Miami became hotter and hotter, I had just wanted him to sign with any team except the Heat.

Then it turns out LeBron signs with the Heat and then I started hating on the guy. I hated on LeBron throughout the entire 2010-2011 season.

During the start of the 2012 season or by the 2012 all-star weekend, I had realized that it was irrational for the reasons that I hated him though because I shouldn't hate on a guy that just wants to play for a certain area and for a certain team. I always talk with friends all the time that I would love to live in this city someday or work in this city someday so I realized it was unfair and irrational that I hated LeBron for those very reasons so I stopped.

It also helped that Lebron talked about how immature he was or admits to how immature he was in 2011 and how the experience has humbled him in 2012 and how he has grown up.

I never really cared about the decision or the promise of him saying not 1, not 2, not 3, etc. I just hated the fact that he picked the Heat and didn't pick my team to play for and looking back at it, it was quite irrational of me to hate him because of that.

I always liked his game and I decided to really just become a fan and appreciate him again by the 2012 all-star weekend and throw the hate away especially when the hate is irrational.

My thoughts on LBJ has been a roller coaster as I said. I expect a lot of didn't reads though but I just want to know your thoughts on LeBron when he was in Cleveland and when he was in Miami.


Get over it.

[mehyaM24]

i just find it hilarious that lebron had supposedly "plenty of support" in cleveland????...lmao :lol i am shaqs biggest fan but the man was in his 18th year. cavs were 1-13 in the 14 games lebron missed in his last 3 years in cleveland. rondo crushed mo williams..garnett destroyed jamison....and allen owned anthony parker. meanwhile lebron outscored pierce 161 to 81 in the series.

lebron made 14 fgs in 4th quarters that series to pierces 6 fgs(iirc,pierce lead boston in ppg year after year and lebron held him to 4th on celtics in pts...the cavs still lost lol).

[PickernRoller]

I like how this entire post addresses his 2011 failure but says nothing about his 2010 and 2009 seasons which was what I was referring to. I don't know what happened in 2011 but yes that was his fault. The Cavs 2009 and 2010 post-seasons failures was not his fault though.

I did address it, like I said even with Wade and Bosh he wouldn't have beaten the Lakers by any stretch if they had gotten to the Finals. The 10' Celtics were definitely better than the 12' Celtics so I don't think he would have made it with Wade or Bosh in 10'. Maybe he does beat the Magic with Wade and Bosh in 09' but again not getting past the Lakers.

The same deficiency that he had in 11' he had in 09', 10' which explains in part his choking. Bad off-the ball, inconstant jumper, uncomfortable taking contested jumpers, not-too-solid post game (to not say bad, just wasn't solid as it's today) + the pressure of being in the Finals were all a recipe for failure. All of this he has improved, his post game has improved, his jumper still horrible compared to the best out-there but he avoids it by playing point more, having control of the game at key moments and dependable guys to drop the open jumpers when he drives (PnR) and the lanes get packed after the defense collapses.

The difference in 09', 10'? He wasn't as exposed because not every team plays the same defense or does things the same way the Mavs did (aka have different strategies as to how to beat the opposing team). That also had to do with the fact that he had more responsibilities with the Cavs than he does in Miami in a sense. He was always more aggressive and as long as others were shut down Lebron wasn't enough to beat them and they knew it which came at one expense of course - Lebron beasting. If you can't understand why he choked in 11', at least to some extent why he choked you can't understand my point. I might not be completely right in some of my views, of how I see it but it's along those lines.

[WockaVodka]

I did address it, like I said even with Wade and Bosh he wouldn't have beaten the Lakers by any stretch if they had gotten to the Finals. The 10' Celtics were definitely better than the 12' Celtics so I don't think he would have made it with Wade or Bosh in 10'. Maybe he does beat the Magic with Wade and Bosh in 09' but again not getting past the Lakers.
That doesn't mean he wasn't ready to win in 2009 and 2010 like you are claiming. You give him a supporting cast that was as good as the Lakers were in 2009 and 2010 and they win.

Maybe they don't win with Wade and Bosh but it would be because of matchups more than anything. You give Lebron a team that has the talent and the personnel to matchup with the Lakers and they would win so how was he not ready to win at the time?

Why does he have to pair up with Wade and Bosh? Why can't he get other teammates?


The same deficiency that he had in 11' he had in 09', 10' which explains in part his choking. Bad off-the ball, inconstant jumper, uncomfortable taking contested jumpers, not-to-solid post game + the pressure of being in the Finals were all a recipe for failure. All of this he has improved, his post of game has improved, his jumper still horrible compared to the best outthere but he avoids it by playing point more, having control of the game at key moments and dependable guys to drop the open jumpers when he drives in PnR and the lanes get packed after the defense collapses.
Yet he averaged 38/8/8 with 50% shooting in the ECF against the 2009 Magic. He certainly had deficiencies and he definitely got exposed in the post-season like he did in 2011. :facepalm

I'm actually confused whether you think Lebron choked in 2011 or whether you believe the Mavericks just played perfect defense on him because it certainly can't be both. If he choked then the Mavericks defense have nothing to do with it and that Lebron had just lost the title on his own. If it was the Mavericks defense then you have a point. You keep flip flopping so I'm not even sure which one you believe.

You keep flip flopping your points.

First you say Lebron wasn't ready to win a title before 2012 because of his mentality and other sports cliche.

Now you are saying Lebron wasn't going to win in 2009 and 2010 because the Lakers were in his way.

First you say that Lebron choked in the 2011 Finals.

Now you are saying the Mavericks just played perfect defense on him to expose his flaws.

Tell me which one you believe in so I can understand your point.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Someone explain to me the case for Lebron choking in 2009. I see this arguement pop up every once in awhile. Did people not watch that series? NO ONE after Lebron stepped up for Cleveland. Pietrus outscored Cleveland's bench himself.

[PickernRoller]

That doesn't mean he wasn't ready to win in 2009 and 2010 like you are claiming. You give him a supporting cast that was as good as the Lakers were in 2009 and 2010 and they win.

Wade and Bosh (+the Miami role players) are a better supporting cast than 09', 10' Lakers and he got exposed horribly, choked in 11' sorry. Again - due to what I mentioned. Read my posts above again.

A hypothetical of Lebron having Kobe's team - Ok he has it, he meets the Mavs in 09 and '10....same defense is played on him without improvements and he still looses twice to that same Mavericks team, or Spurs whatever the case. It's all hypothetical, you can't guarantee anything. You can however look at his failure, ask why consciously and then speculate with some degree of certainty based on observations as to why he would fail again, deficiencies like the ones I mentioned present.

A hypothetical vs. a hypothetical. My hypothetical however is based on his failures and his deficiencies - both proven. Considering he came out as a better player in 12' with improvement in those key areas helps my point even more.

Maybe they don't win with Wade and Bosh but it would be because of matchups more than anything. You give Lebron a team that has the talent and the personnel to matchup with the Lakers and they would win so how was he not ready to win at the time?

Another hypothetical. He would not beat Kobe still in his late prime who could effectively guard him if he got out of hand - that has a solid degree of certainty. With the same flaws as in 11' he would have lost too, another degree of certainty. I can however say this from observation. You can't confirm this nor can I. I can again speculate on observations from his flaws which can determine failure.

Why does he have to pair up with Wade and Bosh? Why can't he get other teammates?

What teammates do you dream him having? Those are the ones he won with, those I take as an example. You think Kobe or any other superstar have the perfect teammates surrounding him? Boy please. Plus like I said, he has a better team. What do you want? Let me know the team you envisioned him with…He couldn't ask for better, not 2, not 3, not 4…he said it himself.

Yet he averaged 38/8/8 with 50% shooting in the ECF against the 2009 Magic. He certainly had deficiencies and he definitely got exposed in the post-season like he did in 2011. :facepalm


The Magic did not play the same way as the Mavs, the strategy was different, the gameplan (strategy) day in day out to beat the Cavs wasn't the same as the Mavs. You can say he performed the way he did in part due to that strategy. They were still successful in beating Lebron and his team which is the end result. Doesn't matter how you beat the opposing team, whether is shutting down a key player and focusing all effort in doing so, plausible or shutting down other key players. The WIN is what matters. I don't think shutting down Lebron was their concern, more like keeping him in check - did it matter that he performed like that? No.


I'm actually confused whether you think Lebron choked in 2011 or whether you believe the Mavericks just played perfect defense on him because it certainly can't be both. If he choked then the Mavericks defense have nothing to do with it and that Lebron had just lost the title on his own. If it was the Mavericks defense then you have a point. You keep flip flopping so I'm not even sure which one you believe.

It's a combination of both, that I made clear. Read again my posts. In short, his deficiencies exposed, coupled with the pressure to perform made him choke.


As to the Lakers in his way….you're giving me hypothetical's as to why he can win, win and win and I can also envision him loosing and loosing for the same reasons he lost in 11' or something "along those lines" - that is a better tool for prediction than just a wild hypothetical when failure in 11' was key in him winning in 12'

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[swag2011]

didn't care for him before, don't care for him now. his fans are the WORST though. During the finals this year, i did want him to win though, because i KNEW how much Hate he would've got and i thought it would've been way too much for one person. So i was happy he won, until his fans started getting annoying as hell.

His play style has just never excited me though. he's not someone where i'm like "i have to watch him play" ya know? The one game of his recently that has intrigued me though is his game 6 Boston take over. That was some amazing shit. Other than that i'm not really excited to see him play. He's an amazing player, just not really a fan.

[funnystuff]

I dont hate Lebron in Cleveland but when he goes to heat then that starts me to hate him.. A superstars in his prime joining other 2 superstars and be a sidekick to win a half cheap ring.. Where the hell is his pride? To shortcut and to win the ring the easy way is not a superstar and the best player in the league will do but he does.. I lost respect from him.. He deserved to be hated..
So because there were 16 less games in the REGULAR season its a "cheap" ring. Cmon.

[WockaVodka]

Wade and Bosh (the Miami role players) are a better supporting cast than 09', 10' Lakers and he got exposed horribly, choked in 11' sorry. Again - due to what I mentioned. Read my posts above again.
The problem is that he didn't choke in 2009 and 2010 so why does it matter? So because it happened in 2011, it happened in 2009 and 2010? Why did Lebron average like 38/8/8 with 50% shooting in 2009 then but never even came close to that in either 2010 or 2011?


A hypothetical of Lebron having Kobe's team - Ok he has it, he meets the Mavs in 09 and '10....same defense is played on him without improvements and he still looses twice to that same Mavericks team, or Spurs whatever the case. It's all hypothetical, you can't guarantee anything. You can however look at his failure, ask why consciously and then speculate with some degree of certainty based on observations as to why he would fail again, deficiencies like the ones I mentioned present.
Except that '11 Mavs team is completely diffferent than those '09 and '10 Mavericks teams.



Another hypothetical. He would not beat Kobe still in his late prime who could effectively guard him if he got out of hand - that has a solid degree of certainty. With the same flaws as in 11' he would have lost too, another degree of certainty. I can however say this from observation. You can't confirm this nor can I. I can again speculate on observations from his flaws which can determine failure.
If he had a better team than Kobe or an even equal team to Kobe, he would quite easily win considering how Lebron was better than him at that point.

Plus, didn't the Cavs always beat the Lakers? So what are you even basing it on? Your opinion? I'm sure that Kobe avatar of yours means you are quite objective when it comes to Kobe and Lebron.

Again, you still make no sense but I'm not surprised and I'm not going any further with this with you.

[PickernRoller]

The problem is that he didn't choke in 2009 and 2010 so why does it matter? So because it happened in 2011, it happened in 2009 and 2010? Why did Lebron average like 38/8/8 with 50% shooting in 2009 then but never even came close to that in either 2010 or 2011?

Except that '11 Mavs team is completely diffferent than those '09 and '10 Mavericks teams.



If he had a better team than Kobe or an even equal team to Kobe, he would quite easily win considering how Lebron was better than him at that point.

Plus, didn't the Cavs always beat the Lakers? So what are you even basing it on? Your opinion? I'm sure that Kobe avatar of yours means you are quite objective when it comes to Kobe and Lebron.

Again, you still make no sense but I'm not surprised and I'm not going any further with this with you.

You're a train wreck trying to prove a hypothetical, wild one at that. Read my posts to death 50 times till you get it...if you don't that's ok. I guess my failure here is thinking an LBJ fan knew what he was talking about or had any comprehension skills. Sadly that is the case, nothing personal. He wasn't better than Kobe in 09' and 10'. Unless you let MVP get in your head - subtleties are easily missed. That's a whole other argument I couldn't care less in arguing as I already lost plenty of time here.

[RRR3]

I assume thickerandtroller is ranting and raving about lebron in his incoherent manner. Just put him on your ignore list like I did wocka he offers nothing but trolling and he's neither funny or even competent as a troll

[PickernRoller]

I assume thickerandtroller is ranting and raving about lebron in his incoherent manner. Just put him on your ignore list like I did wocka he offers nothing but trolling and he's neither funny or even competent as a troll

Came to the wrong thread sadly, more like took the wrong individual for something else he's not......Anyway don't act like you didn't read cause you did. You will always be a retard...that you can't change, it's your nature. I told you that day it was a mistake and you continued on....you got burned, it happens. Deal with it, I don't hold grudges. Acting like a spoiled child jumping behind others to get your rep. Twice today - on a mission?...... it's still easy, always has been with you.

[alleykat]

I actually like LeBron, and I think he is the best in the NBA right now. I was relieved he left Cleveland, although the whole "decision" was kind of whack. Idk but to me in Cleveland he felt like a landmark or something, the way they presented him in the media you could tell was to attract attention to that city and give it some relevance.

In Miami he wasn't top dog on Wade's team at first. He had to learn to be a good teammate first and rely on other people as well as not being able to control the team the way he used to. That loss to the Mavericks was something that grounded him, but I think forced him to be a more complete player.

He's a great ball player plain and simple.

[DaSeba5]

I never cared for LeBron when he was in Cleveland. I respected him, but that was about it.

Now I feel the need to always defend him because he's a Heat player. He's a good guy and a great player.

[Bigsmoke]

QUOTE=KOBE143]I dont hate Lebron in Cleveland but when he goes to heat then that starts me to hate him.. A superstars in his prime joining other 2 superstars and be a sidekick to win a half cheap ring.. Where the hell is his pride? To shortcut and to win the ring the easy way is not a superstar and the best player in the league will do but he does.. I lost respect from him.. He deserved to be hated..[/QUOTE]

Bosh isn't a superstar.

U would agree that Gasol and Bynum are better players than Bosh so WTF.

[Bandito]

The problem is that he didn't choke in 2009 and 2010 so why does it matter? So because it happened in 2011, it happened in 2009 and 2010? Why did Lebron average like 38/8/8 with 50% shooting in 2009 then but never even came close to that in either 2010 or 2011?

Except that '11 Mavs team is completely diffferent than those '09 and '10 Mavericks teams.



If he had a better team than Kobe or an even equal team to Kobe, he would quite easily win considering how Lebron was better than him at that point.

Plus, didn't the Cavs always beat the Lakers? So what are you even basing it on? Your opinion? I'm sure that Kobe avatar of yours means you are quite objective when it comes to Kobe and Lebron.

Again, you still make no sense but I'm not surprised and I'm not going any further with this with you.
Dude he choked in 2010. He quit in that series against the Celtics. You could see it in the way he played and his eyes.

[KOBE143]

Bosh isn't a superstar.

U would agree that Gasol and Bynum are better players than Bosh so WTF.
Come on Bosh is a supertar.. Consistent allstar yearly.. Putting 20ppg 10rpg as a franchise player in Toronto before he sign with the heat.. He is clearly better than Gasol and Bynum in his Raptors days..

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Come on Bosh is a supertar.. Consistent allstar yearly.. Putting 20ppg 10rpg as a franchise player in Toronto before he sign with the heat.. He is clearly better than Gasol and Bynum in his Raptors days..
All star is not the same as a superstar. Would you say Joe Johnson is a superstar?

[DUP]

he seemed more explosive in CLEV

[FrankTony]

now bandwagon fans like him because he has a ring

freaking moronic

..the hate before the ring was pathetic and the **** sucking after the ring is pathetic as well.

He destroyed his legacy going to Miami. No matter how many rings he wins, he still had to play with the best SG in the league and a top 5 PF to get it done.

He will never be considered better than Hakeem or Duncan, who took crap franchises to the top by themselves even when they had a shit roster

[DUP]

now bandwagon fans like him because he has a ring

freaking moronic

..the hate before the ring was pathetic and the **** sucking after the ring is pathetic as well.

He destroyed his legacy going to Miami. No matter how many rings he wins, he still had to play with the best SG in the league and a top 5 PF to get it done.

He will never be considered better than Hakeem or Duncan, who took crap franchises to the top by themselves even when they had a shit roster
he did, i mean he will still be a hall of famer and all but just imagine if he did this in cleveland.

[Quickening]

he did, i mean he will still be a hall of famer and all but just imagine if he did this in cleveland.

But he wouldn't have done it in Cleveland, one of the worst franchises in the league..... like saying imagine if Kobe would have won 5 rings without being on a stacked franchise... its pointless to think about because its not happening.

[pauk]

Always liked Lebron and always will, a great guy with a great unselfish game, he plays the right way

[arifgokcen]

now bandwagon fans like him because he has a ring

freaking moronic

..the hate before the ring was pathetic and the **** sucking after the ring is pathetic as well.

He destroyed his legacy going to Miami. No matter how many rings he wins, he still had to play with the best SG in the league and a top 5 PF to get it done.

He will never be considered better than Hakeem or Duncan, who took crap franchises to the top by themselves even when they had a shit roster

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DUP]

But he wouldn't have done it in Cleveland, one of the worst franchises in the league..... like saying imagine if Kobe would have won 5 rings without being on a stacked franchise... its pointless to think about because its not happening.
i think he would have gotten at least 1. but then again it is tough to say

[ripthekik]

Does anyone here have a different view when LeBron when he was in Cleveland than you do now that he is in Miami?

For me, my thoughts on LeBron has been kind of a roller coaster.

During his first 5 years (to '08) in the league, I was quite indifferent about him. I wasn't too much of a fan but I wasn't a hater of his either. I didn't like the fact that he didn't play much defense and that his jump shot was crazy inconsistent and unreliable. I never bought the LeBron was the best player argument in 2008 and before.

I gained a lot of respect for LeBron in 2009 though specifically in the ECF when he played the Magic. I really hated that Magic team because of how much of 3 point chuckers they were. They were incredibly hot or cold and hit or miss. LeBron did absolutely whatever he could in that series to help his team win and he had probably the best series ever by a player on a losing team.

After that 2009 ECF, LeBron really became my favorite player. I respected LeBron's game, his prime, his effort, his determination to win, etc. in 2009. I also admired how far he carried his team despite how untalented and how horrendous his teammates were. His teammates completely choked that 2009 ECF and I couldn't believe there were people trying to blame Lebron for that 2009 ECF because he literally played his life out and did whatever he could to win that series. He came up short because his teammates came up short. He did his part.

I didn't watch much of Lebron in the 2009 regular season but I started to watch him regularly in 2010 especially whenever he was on national TV. He was just spectacular in every game. I had never seen a player as consistent as him. I really thought during that season that LeBron was going to surpass Michael Jordan as the greatest ever.

During the 2010 playoffs, Lebron was tearing it up until the last two games against Boston. I believe LeBron gets a lot of flack for what happened in those last two games and I don't buy that he quit on them. I believe he still played hard and I believe he tried to win but I do believe he thought he and his team was beat. His optimism just wasn't there but I don't believe that means that he quit.

I wanted LeBron to leave Cleveland because I was tired of seeing him waste his years and his prime years with such a horrid team. I really didn't care which team he went to. I personally preferred that he went to the Knicks over my Bulls because I wanted to see LeBron team up with Amare and create a nice Lebron/Amare vs. Wade/Bosh rivalry with Heat vs. Knicks. I wouldn't have been upset if he had gone to the Bulls though, I would have loved it but I just thought the Knicks would have been a better situation for him and the NBA at the time. When the rumors of LeBron were going to Miami became hotter and hotter, I had just wanted him to sign with any team except the Heat.

Then it turns out LeBron signs with the Heat and then I started hating on the guy. I hated on LeBron throughout the entire 2010-2011 season.

During the start of the 2012 season or by the 2012 all-star weekend, I had realized that it was irrational for the reasons that I hated him though because I shouldn't hate on a guy that just wants to play for a certain area and for a certain team. I always talk with friends all the time that I would love to live in this city someday or work in this city someday so I realized it was unfair and irrational that I hated LeBron for those very reasons so I stopped.

It also helped that Lebron talked about how immature he was or admits to how immature he was in 2011 and how the experience has humbled him in 2012 and how he has grown up.

I never really cared about the decision or the promise of him saying not 1, not 2, not 3, etc. I just hated the fact that he picked the Heat and didn't pick my team to play for and looking back at it, it was quite irrational of me to hate him because of that.

I always liked his game and I decided to really just become a fan and appreciate him again by the 2012 all-star weekend and throw the hate away especially when the hate is irrational.

My thoughts on LBJ has been a roller coaster as I said. I expect a lot of didn't reads though but I just want to know your thoughts on LeBron when he was in Cleveland and when he was in Miami.
didnt read this or any pages in this thread.
Just coming here to say wow.. you really love lebron. :coleman:

[ripthekik]

now bandwagon fans like him because he has a ring

freaking moronic

..the hate before the ring was pathetic and the **** sucking after the ring is pathetic as well.

He destroyed his legacy going to Miami. No matter how many rings he wins, he still had to play with the best SG in the league and a top 5 PF to get it done.

He will never be considered better than Hakeem or Duncan, who took crap franchises to the top by themselves even when they had a shit roster
just saw this: this is the truth. :pimp:
Dude has yet to prove that he can win like a real man.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I agree with Magic, Bird and Jordan who all said that they NEVER would have pussed out like Lebron team...to create a superteam. It hurt is legacy, as it should.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

now bandwagon fans like him because he has a ring

freaking moronic

..the hate before the ring was pathetic and the **** sucking after the ring is pathetic as well.

He destroyed his legacy going to Miami. No matter how many rings he wins, he still had to play with the best SG in the league and a top 5 PF to get it done.

He will never be considered better than Hakeem or Duncan, who took crap franchises to the top by themselves even when they had a shit roster

Magic, Bird and Jordan are all on record as AGREEING WITH YOU.
His legacy took a major it. The pros clearly respect him LESS for pussing out.

[KingBeasley08]

always been a fan. happy he left cleveland so he could be a winner :dancin

[PJR]

Lol @ not being Hakeem or Duncan.

No shit asswipe. He isn't a center.

[ihoopallday]

I agree with Magic, Bird and Jordan who all said that they NEVER would have pussed out like Lebron team...to create a superteam. It hurt is legacy, as it should.

It's not hard to stay when the front office actually brings talent to your team.

[ripthekik]

It's not hard to stay when the front office actually brings talent to your team.
typical lebron fans' number 1 go to move.
keep blaming the front office :cry: :cry: :cry:

this guy just isn't a winner. had so much opportunities. even 2011 he had a best team to win it all, and what happened? :lol
front office didn't do enough?

front office didn't provide him gatorade in the 4th quarter?

[Meticode]

Your thoughts on LeBron in Cleveland and now with Miami?
None.

[pauk]

I agree with Magic, Bird and Jordan who all said that they NEVER would have pussed out like Lebron team...to create a superteam. It hurt is legacy, as it should.

They were NEVER in Lebrons situation... Jordan was for a while, but he got things handed to him eventually (pippen and so on)..

Lebron would have NEVER "pussed" out either if he was in their situation....

Magic & Bird saying they would have never "pussed" out comparing themselves to Lebron is like... if two rich brats said they would have not ate a free pizza given to them compared to a starving Somalian...

Speaking of Magic he even refused to be in Lebrons situation, before he came to the NBA he said: "I will not leave college, i will not come to the NBA if i dont play for Kareem & Lakers"... Lebron at least tried.. for 7 years...

That's not a major accomplishment. What could possibly be the circumstances that would cause for example Magic to want to leave the Lakers? He is drafted to one of the most storied franchises that has the best player in the game in Kareem at the time, who was also the league's MVP. Then despite winning a title, somehow the organization is still able to continuously draft and add hall of famers to the roster over the next couple of years in Worthy and McAdoo. To top it off, he has the DPOY coming off of the bench by '87. Poor Magic...He deserves a medal for sticking it out through such hard times in LA.

Celebrating guys like Magic/Bird/Jordan/Kobe who got handed best teammates/coach/franchise etc. handed to them on a silverplate for staying with the team that drafted them is like praising Jay Z for "enduring the struggles of having to have sex with Beyonce' every night." Poor Jay Z...How does he do it?



PS: Did you just say Superteam? Really? This team Lebron has blows in comparasant to what Jordan had or what Magic/Bird had... and Magic/Bird got those teams HANDED to them immediately, Lebron had to venture out after being patient for 7 years... so much for a "super" team when Lebron basically carried that team to a championship, himself... maybe if Miami was a superteam he wouldnt have to do MORE than what he had to do in Cleveland?

Bird won his first championship with back-to-back 8 point games in Finals, averaging 14 ppg.... Cedric Maxwell was the FMVP and they won the championship........ can you imagine what would happen if Lebron played like that in the Finals? Damn what a superteam Lebron must have!!

[Kurosawa0]

Magic, Bird and Jordan are all on record as AGREEING WITH YOU.
His legacy took a major it. The pros clearly respect him LESS for pussing out.

Yeah, I'm putting you on ignore for this. Just incredibly dumb.

[Lebron23]

He's still my favorite player.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I agree with Magic, Bird and Jordan who all said that they NEVER would have pussed out like Lebron team...to create a superteam. It hurt is legacy, as it should.


Why would they leave when they already played on the most stacked teams in the league?

[ihoopallday]

typical lebron fans' number 1 go to move.
keep blaming the front office :cry: :cry: :cry:

this guy just isn't a winner. had so much opportunities. even 2011 he had a best team to win it all, and what happened? :lol
front office didn't do enough?

front office didn't provide him gatorade in the 4th quarter?

I've acknowledged many times he choked last year. Still doesn't change the fact Cleveland didn't surround him with talent. Btw, why'd you all of a sudden return to this forum after Miami won. Before that, I never even saw you post. Hate Miami all you want, but at the end of the day, they're still the champs.

[Rondo]

Great player, arrogant bitch and flopping extraordinaire.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Great player, arrogant bitch and flopping extraordinaire.


That is f.ucking hilarious coming from a fan with a Rondo avatar. Biggest whiny b.itch in the NBA. And he talks like a gay hillbilly

[tmacattack33]

He was my favorite player as soon as he came into the league and his style of play reminded me of my idol growing up, Penny Hardaway.

I always saw him as goofy and a nice dude in Cleveland. He never threw his below standard teammates under the bus. He kept passing to them when they were open. He had different handshakes for every one of his teammates lol.

Then his agent and marketing people told him that they and ESPN had a good idea...that since his free agency is getting so much attention, he might as well use the platform to gain exposure and do a show that they later called The Decision. He was 25 and in a position nobody else had ever been in and so he didn't have anybody or any situation to follow as a blueprint. It was new territory. So he agreed with his agent and marketing people and did the show. On it, he told everyone he chose to play with Miami, as they were his best opportunity to succeed. A week later he was the NBA's biggest villain.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

That is f.ucking hilarious coming from a fan with a Rondo avatar. Biggest whiny b.itch in the NBA. And he talks like a gay hillbilly
Rondo > Lebron, esp defensively

also

Rondo MUCH smarter than LeFool

[SilkkTheShocker]

Rondo > Lebron, esp defensively

also

Rondo MUCH smarter than LeFool


Meh. Weak troll bait. Find someone else that wants to argue with you. If you are going to troll, you shouldn't make it so obvious.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

LeBron's hate since his arrival in Miami is mostly, media generated.

I don't think people hated him because of the Decision of leaving Cleveland. Nobody cares about Cleveland. LeBron was a free-agent, he could go wherever he liked and he had that right. Unless you

[tmacattack33]

[QUOTE=Eat Like A Bosh]LeBron's hate since his arrival in Miami is mostly, media generated.

I don't think people hated him because of the Decision of leaving Cleveland. Nobody cares about Cleveland. LeBron was a free-agent, he could go wherever he liked and he had that right. Unless you

[Rondo]

That is f.ucking hilarious coming from a fan with a Rondo avatar. Biggest whiny b.itch in the NBA. And he talks like a gay hillbilly

What exactly is hilarious? OP asked our thoughts on LeBron and I gave my own which I feel was perfectly fair. He's great, he's arrogant and he flops.

Who cares how Rondo talks? :confusedshrug:

[BrickingStar]

What exactly is hilarious? OP asked our thoughts on LeBron and I gave my own which I feel was perfectly fair. He's great, he's arrogant and he flops.

Who cares how Rondo talks? :confusedshrug:

Rondo hasn't flopped? Stop acting like his game is based around flopping he single handedly beat your team at your house in gm5 the ECF :lol

[Rondo]

Rondo hasn't flopped? Stop acting like his game is based around flopping he single handedly beat your team at your house in gm5 the ECF :lol

I didn't act like his game is based around flopping hence why I said "great player".

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/lebron-flop-3.gif

Come back when Rondo does something as pathetic and embarrassing as that. For the record, I also never claimed Rondo never flops. He has done.

LeBron was great that night. No argument here. Had the referee's done their job properly then Rondo would've single handedly beaten your team in your house too :cheers:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well he made a right decision to leave Cleveland, where the chance to win a ring is as high as blind hog finding his sh*t.

[lilgodfather1]

Cleveland LeBron in the last two years was a better statistical player than Miami LeBron, but Miami LeBron has become a better overall player. He may not have the same athletecism that he did in Cleveland (arguable), but he is much better in the post, and his jump shot is much more consistant from game to game. He doesn't settle for long jump shots as much now, and he doesn't take as many plays off on defense as he did in Cleveland.

I missed less than 50 games of LeBron's Cavalier career, and I haven't missed a Miami game yet. Miami LeBron is a much better overall player.

[sixer6ad]

Not winning it all cost us everything - period. I'm just not a believer that all of a sudden - in the playoffs - you become the best team or you stop being the best team. Sometimes - teams that truly are not the best team win. I'm one of those people that believes there is a best team throughout the season and sometimes that best team just doesn't win it all.

It always cracks me up listening about the "crap" that we were surrounding him with. That "crap" was a huge contributor to a machine that was rolling for quite a few years. Was LBJ carrying us? Hell yes. But...other pieces were major players for a "team" that on many of the 82 nights they played, were the best in the league. Even people on here would talk about our chemistry and attitude and effort and think we would win it all. When we didn't, all of a sudden we were crap. It just doesn't work that way - my opinion. We just didn't win - period.

Orlando is the cracker of them all. Hedo, Pietrus, and Rashard Lewis could not miss in this series. On top of that, they had Dwight and Jameer Nelson and Courtney Lee - yet our "crap" lost 107-106 one game and 116-114 in another. The series really could have gone either way.

Back to LBJ. He was loved here as much as any athlete in the world. The Decision killed us because we truly believed there was a special bond. It crushed us. The hatred is purely from that and nothing else.

Just glad we have another superstar as quickly as we did.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well the series really was not that close, the Cavs were playing at their 100% in game 2-5 while the Magic usually did not come to play until 2nd quarter. With Mo Williams as your second best player, it is understandable why he had to make a decision to screw Cleveland fans. The organization is hilarious, the franchise is just... Imagine Kyle Irving doing Decision v2.0 someday in 2010s.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Well the series really was not that close, the Cavs were playing at their 100% in game 2-5 while the Magic usually did not come to play until 2nd quarter. With Mo Williams as your second best player, it is understandable why he had to make a decision to screw Cleveland fans. The organization is hilarious, the franchise is just... Imagine Kyle Irving doing Decision v2.0 someday in 2010s.
True. But as a Nets fan you shouldn't be talking down on any franchises. Nets = dogshit franchise

[Kiddlovesnets]

True. But as a Nets fan you shouldn't be talking down on any franchises. Nets = dogshit franchise

Oh really? We got robbed after NBA/ABA merger, the team is doing fine and will be doing better with Russian Owner.
:lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

Oh really? We got robbed after NBA/ABA merger, the team is doing fine and will be doing better with Russian Owner.
:lol
Your best two wing players are aging and you gave Brook Lopez a max contract

[The Iron Fist]

He did what he had to do going to South Beach, he did what was best for his career and what was best for him.

This is coming from no bias at all... but Cleveland's front office was throwing him utter sh*t players, he also worked his ass off in that franchise. (Name another superstar that took scrubs to the finals.)
The "Decision" was definitely not a smart thing. Of course I don't believe he was being serious with the "not 1..not 2..", he was most likely just excited.

Even today fans dislike him for being excited.

That being said, I have been a fan of Lebrons game when he was in Cleveland and that certainly didn't change because of free agency.
Name another superstar who took supposed scrubs to the finals after facing. 500 teams in the first two rounds.


When put into context, its not all that impressive.

[Mr. Incredible]

Obviously LeBron has always been a great player. I can't blame him for joining the Heat. I think the best decision for him would of been to join Chicago. they would have 2 rings by now and he would be the obvious alpha dog on the team.