Kobe 55 pts vs MJ's Wizards 42 at the Half 33 in 7 min FULL GAME!!

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XIcVXoYhpU&feature=b-vrec

Quite possibly the player with the highest "top end in the zone" of any player ever:pimp:

[jlauber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XIcVXoYhpU&feature=b-vrec

Quite possibly the player with the highest "top end in the zone" of any player ever:pimp:

Not a knock on MJ, who clearly had a better resume, but in all honesty, a Kobe playing at his absolute peak, as he did on several occasions, was, with the exception of only a peak Chamberlain, the game's greatest scorer ever. As you said,...when he was "in the zone" he was just lights out. And, like Wilt, it didn't make any difference who, or how many, were defending him, either.

I still say his 62 point game against the Mavs was his greatest game. Outscoring an 18-6 Mavs team (a team that would go to the Finals), by HIMSELF, thru the first three quarters, was truly remarkable.

[b1imtf]

Not a knock on MJ, who clearly had a better resume, but in all honesty, a Kobe playing at his absolute peak, as he did on several occasions, was, with the exception of only a peak Chamberlain, the game's greatest scorer ever. As you said,...when he was "in the zone" he was just lights out. And, like Wilt, it didn't make any difference who, or how many, were defending him, either.

I still say his 62 point game against the Mavs was his greatest game. Outscoring an 18-6 Mavs team (a team that would go to the Finals), by HIMSELF, thru the first three quarters, was truly remarkable.
Lol.

[DirkNowitzki41]

33 in 7min? :biggums:

[jlauber]

Lol.

Not sure if serious. But, how is that funny? Wilt's 100 point game was still MILES ahead of Kobe's 81. And, Chamberlain also held a 6-1 edge over Kobe in 70+ point games, and a whopping 32-5 edge in 60+ point games. Furthermore, I honestly believe that had Wilt been so inclined, that he could have challenged that 100 point barrier, as well.

[RazorBaLade]

what time does the 33 in 7 min start

[Nevaeh]

Not a knock on MJ, who clearly had a better resume, but in all honesty, a Kobe playing at his absolute peak, as he did on several occasions, was, with the exception of only a peak Chamberlain, the game's greatest scorer ever. As you said,...when he was "in the zone" he was just lights out. And, like Wilt, it didn't make any difference who, or how many, were defending him, either.

I still say his 62 point game against the Mavs was his greatest game. Outscoring an 18-6 Mavs team (a team that would go to the Finals), by HIMSELF, thru the first three quarters, was truly remarkable.

Bullsh!t. If he was, he'd have the scoring titles and a career PPG total to back that up after 16 years. Getting hot for a month, and then cooling down for the other 5 months of a season doesn't make you "the greatest". It just means that you're "streaky". Consistency is what separated Jordan and Wilt (and now Durant to an extent) from every other high scorer who's played.

[RazorBaLade]

Bullsh!t. If he was, he'd have the scoring titles and a career PPG total to back that up after 16 years. Getting hot for a month, and then cooling down for the other 5 months of a season doesn't make you "the greatest". It just means that you're "streaky". Consistency is what separated Jordan and Wilt (and now Durant to an extent) from every other high scorer who's played.

jlaub specifically said hes talking about absolute peak and not consistency

[Story Up]

Not sure if serious. But, how is that funny? Wilt's 100 point game was still MILES ahead of Kobe's 81. And, Chamberlain also held a 6-1 edge over Kobe in 70+ point games, and a whopping 32-5 edge in 60+ point games. Furthermore, I honestly believe that had Wilt been so inclined, that he could have challenged that 100 point barrier, as well.
Kobe scoring 81 from perimeter >>>>>>>> Wilt getting buckets on 6'5 unathletic white centers.

Lol Kobe fought way harder for his points, seriously Kobe could prolly average 70 points in Wilt's era. He was no different then McGee, an athletic lengthy big playing against stiffs. Only reason he's a legend is bc the game wasn't as developed ad it is today. Kobe's 81 is ten times more impressive, his 62 in 3 quarters is twenty times more impressive then anything wilt has ever accomplished scoring wise.

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe scoring 81 from perimeter >>>>>>>> Wilt getting buckets on 6'5 unstinting white centers.

Lol Kobe fought way harder for his points, seriously Kobe could prolly average 70 points in Wilt's era. He was no different then McGee, an athletic lengthy big playing against stiffs. Only reason he's a legend is bc the game wasn't as developed ad it is today. Kobe's 81 is ten times more impressive, his 62 in 3 quarters is twenty times more impressive then anything wilt has ever accomplished scoring wise.

^ dont respond to this

[LakersFan626]

Kobe scoring 81 from perimeter >>>>>>>> Wilt getting buckets on 6'5 unathletic white centers.

Lol Kobe fought way harder for his points, seriously Kobe could prolly average 70 points in Wilt's era. He was no different then McGee, an athletic lengthy big playing against stiffs. Only reason he's a legend is bc the game wasn't as developed ad it is today. Kobe's 81 is ten times more impressive, his 62 in 3 quarters is twenty times more impressive then anything wilt has ever accomplished scoring wise.

This. And a lot of Kobe's 81 came in the second half where he brought the Lakers back from being down double digits to blow out the Raptors. Kobe shot much tougher shots than Wilt did and had next to no help whatsoever that year, which makes it more impressive.

[KOBE143]

The most embarrassing moment that MJ ever had in his career.. GawdBe sending his ass into retirement.. :bowdown:

[Nevaeh]

jlaub specifically said hes talking about absolute peak and not consistency

"Absolute Peak" is still more than a few high scoring games though. That was my point regarding his "Greatest scorer" remark. There's been plenty of "Greatest Scorers" if you're going by a few games.

[Nevaeh]

The most embarrassing moment that MJ ever had in his career.. GawdBe sending his ass into retirement.. :bowdown:

Alpha and Nick Young beat you to the punch kid. Find a new gimmick already.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[PickernRoller]

Alpha and Nick Young beat you to the punch kid. Find a new gimmick already.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

And you're too mad son. Don't let the hate cloud your cool.....before you know it you'll be in meltdown mode.

[RazorBaLade]

"Absolute Peak" is still more than a few high scoring games though. That was my point regarding his "Greatest scorer" remark. There's been plenty of "Greatest Scorers" if you're going by a few games.

Its not about a few high scoring games, it can even be one quarter. Its just, when a person actually catches fire and is playing at their absolute greatest, how great is that person for however long that is? Kobe is close to 1 in my book as well. its not something where you can say oh arenas was on fire once and scored 60 and kobe was on fire once and scored 60 so they are both in teh convo. Its deeper than that, but it still doesnt touch consistency and the times youre NOT on absolute fire.

[KOBE143]

Alpha and Nick Young beat you to the punch kid. Find a new gimmick already.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
I dont give a fak

[RazorBaLade]

Alpha and Nick Young beat you to the punch kid. Find a new gimmick already.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

probably the same loser

[b1imtf]

Not sure if serious. But, how is that funny? Wilt's 100 point game was still MILES ahead of Kobe's 81. And, Chamberlain also held a 6-1 edge over Kobe in 70+ point games, and a whopping 32-5 edge in 60+ point games. Furthermore, I honestly believe that had Wilt been so inclined, that he could have challenged that 100 point barrier, as well.
Cool story bro

[Deuce Bigalow]

Not sure if serious. But, how is that funny? Wilt's 100 point game was still MILES ahead of Kobe's 81. And, Chamberlain also held a 6-1 edge over Kobe in 70+ point games, and a whopping 32-5 edge in 60+ point games. Furthermore, I honestly believe that had Wilt been so inclined, that he could have challenged that 100 point barrier, as well.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm

[andgar923]

Wilt's doesn't compare to Kobe.

[Droid101]

Not sure if serious. But, how is that funny? Wilt's 100 point game was still MILES ahead of Kobe's 81. And, Chamberlain also held a 6-1 edge over Kobe in 70+ point games, and a whopping 32-5 edge in 60+ point games. Furthermore, I honestly believe that had Wilt been so inclined, that he could have challenged that 100 point barrier, as well.
Kobe's 81 is miles ahead of Wilt's 100 based on pace alone.

Is 81 enough?

Eighty-One, people.

I'd say so. I'd say all those pre-Christmas wails about Kobe Bryant ripping us off by hanging 62 points on the Dallas Mavericks in three quarters and then sitting out the fourth can suddenly be recalled with a chuckle.

Turns out Kobe's Dec. 20 detonation was not a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for No. 8 to make a run at 80-something points. No one was cheated after all.

Maybe Kobe and his pal Phil Jackson, when they reached that joint decision to stop abusing the Mavs because the Lakers were up by 34, knew they wouldn't have to wait long for another chance at it during an up-for-grabs game.

Why not? You can believe anything on a night like this.

Kobe's chance dutifully materialized almost exactly a month later, on a Sunday that was supposed to belong to gridiron football. You know. The table-setter for Super Bowl Extra Large and all that.

Sorry, NFL.

Sunday will be remembered as the best day in the NBA in a long, long time. There was a nationally televised buzzer beater in Minnesota from Philadelphia's Andre Iguodala to cap a 19-point comeback in the afternoon ... and then Seattle's Ray Allen beating Phoenix with a way-out buzzer bomb at the horn of overtime No. 2 in a 152-149 throwback thriller ... and then simply the greatest individual performance ever recorded: Bryant's 81 points in a 122-104 come-from-behind victory over the Toronto Raptors.

Yes. Better than Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point night.

You'll recall, sadly, that there's no footage of Chamberlain rumbling for triple digits in Hershey, Pa., on March 2, 1962. Which makes it tough to commission an in-depth analysis comparing Wilt's feat (scoring 100 of his team's 169 points that day) to Kobe's (81 of 122). But there's really no need. The folks who did see the 100-pointer and the game's historians would be forced to tell you that the entire fourth quarter was a back-and-forth scramble between one team trying desperately to get Wilt the record and another trying to keep him from getting it. Wilt himself is quoted on the Basketball Hall of Fame's Web site as calling that fourth quarter "a farce."

In the forthcoming flood of Kobe replays, you'll see that there's nothing farcical about Bryant hauling the Lakers back from a 71-53 deficit. You'll see a Raps team that kept the game sufficiently close in the final quarter to keep Kobe out there shooting, and nary an intentional foul by the Lakers to get the ball back (as Wilt needed).

Against a Toronto team that somehow held him to 11 points when the teams met in early December -- which also has to be some historic footage now -- Bryant wound up with 55 points after halftime. Fifty-five. For a little perspective, please note that matches the best scoring game in Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's career. That's the same Abdul-Jabbar who, before becoming a Lakers assistant coach, was merely the NBA's all-time scoring leader.

Top 2 Scoring Games in NBA History
Wilt Kobe
Date 3/2/62 1/22/06
Points 100 81
FG-FGA 36-63 28-46
FT-FTA 28-32 18-20
2nd half 59 55
Assists 2 2

Don't forget, furthermore, that no less an authority than Michael Jordan has been known to say that a perimeter player has it way harder when it comes to making a legitimate run at Wilt's record, taking an array of longer and/or tougher shots. Factor in the ball-handling responsibilities and the energy required to play defense all over the floor and you can understand MJ's theory. This might also help back it up: Jordan himself topped out at 69 points as his one-night best and needed overtime to get there.

No offense to the late, great Chamberlain, but he was better positioned to dominate a box score back then with the overwhelming size and strength advantages he possessed, especially given the lack of defensive sophistication in those days. Some of you will inevitably counter with the claim that Kobe had the benefit of a 3-point line, but don't exaggerate. Having the long-ball option added only seven extra points to Bryant's total.

With a mere 74, he'd still have registered the richest single-game scoring output in NBA history by anyone not named Wilt.

With 81, so soon after so many opined that he had blown his chance to ever scrape that stratosphere, Bryant has reminded us what we all should know by now about him.

Whatever you think about the game's foremost love-him-or-loathe-him face, and the ongoing debate about how much he shoots, you always have to be ready for What's Next with No. 8.

Chances are it'll be something to dissect for days and days.

Chances are, on the thinnest and neediest team in Jackson's ring-filled history, it won't be the last time Kobe has the forum to fling 40-something shots at history.

[Droid101]

It seems at first glance that Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point night in 1962 is far superior to Kobe Bryant's 81-point game Sunday. After all, Bryant still needed 19 more points -- roughly Pau Gasol's average -- just to catch the Dipper.

But if you stack the two games side by side, you'll come to the startling realization that Bryant's performance was actually far superior. Breaking the two games down by the numbers, it quickly becomes apparent what a dominant night Kobe had. Consider the facts:


Bryant was more efficient. Bryant needed 46 shot attempts and 20 free throws to get 81 points. Chamberlain needed 63 field-goal attempts and 32 free-throw tries to get his 100. Bryant's true shooting percentage for the night was 73.9 percent; Chamberlain's was only 63.9 percent.

Bryant's performance was more real. In Chamberlain's game, the Warriors intentionally fouled the Knicks in the final minute of play to get the ball back for another Chamberlain try at the century mark. Only on his third try did he get to 100. At the time, his team was comfortably ahead, as it was for the entire second half, and it won 169-147. Bryant, on the other hand, got almost all his points when they were desperately needed, as his team trailed by 18 early in the third quarter.

Bryant needed fewer minutes. If you want to really be amazed, consider the fact that Kobe sat out for six minutes in the second quarter. So Bryant scored his 81 points in only 42 minutes, while Wilt played the full 48 in his 100-point effort. Had he played for an additional six minutes and scored at the same rate (hardly an unreasonable assumption, given how much gas he appeared to have at the end), Kobe would have finished with 93 points. Yes, 93.

The game was different. Of all the differences between Bryant's game and Chamberlain's, this one is perhaps the biggest. Chamberlain's game ended up 169-147, Bryant's 122-104. Obviously, there was a huge difference in the speed of play, and that meant Chamberlain had far more opportunities to score than Bryant did.

Chamberlain's game featured 233 field-goal attempts versus 164 for Bryant's, and 93 free-throw attempts to 60 for Bryant's. We have no data on turnovers and offensive rebounds for Chamberlain's game, but based on the numbers I just mentioned, we can estimate there were 46 percent more possessions in the Chamberlain game than in the Kobe game.

If that's the case, we need to inflate Kobe's numbers by 46 percent to get an accurate idea of what it equates to in Chamberlain's era. The answer? An unbelievable 118 points. And if we add in six extra minutes for Bryant, we end up with the mind-boggling total of 135. By one player. In one game.

Another way to look at it is by deflating Chamberlain's numbers by a similar amount. If we change his currency into "2006 points," so to speak, the Stilt ends up with 68 points -- still an awesome performance, but clearly not on a level with Kobe's 81-point outburst. And once you adjust for the 48 minutes Chamberlain played vs. Kobe's 42, you end up with 60 points for Wilt -- or just a bit more than Kobe rang up in the second half.

So when our Marc Stein says this is the most amazing performance ever, believe it. Once you adjust for the differences in pace between the two eras and the fact that Bryant sat out for six minutes, even Chamberlain's monumental 100-point game pales by comparison. For basketball historians, Bryant's effort is now the scoring effort against which all others should be measured.

[Nick Young]

The day that scarred MJ for life and drove him to retirement:lol

[KG215]

The day that scarred MJ for life and drove him to retirement:lol

What's funny is that you actually believe this. You and a few other Kobe stans actually think this one game "scarred" Jordan, and scared him into retiring. Not his age and deteriorating skills, but this one game; that's what did it.

How many times does someone have to point out that a near 40 year old Jordan barely guarded Kobe that game?

[chazzy]

How many times does someone have to point out that a near 40 year old Jordan barely guarded Kobe that game?
He was assigned to Kobe for 48 out of the 55 points he scored, including the game winner at the end. Jordan announced his retirement in the locker room post game.

[Jacks3]

One of six different games where he had 50+ through three quarters.

Prime Kobe was ridiculous.

Dude has 10 50+ point games...in a single season.

:biggums:

[Living Being]

Not a knock on MJ, who clearly had a better resume, but in all honesty, a Kobe playing at his absolute peak, as he did on several occasions, was, with the exception of only a peak Chamberlain, the game's greatest scorer ever. As you said,...when he was "in the zone" he was just lights out. And, like Wilt, it didn't make any difference who, or how many, were defending him, either.

I still say his 62 point game against the Mavs was his greatest game. Outscoring an 18-6 Mavs team (a team that would go to the Finals), by HIMSELF, thru the first three quarters, was truly remarkable.
Way to bring Wilt into this thread while simultaneously insulting Kobe and double insulting MJ.
:cheers:

Oh, but it was an AGING Wilt who in a STRONG era scored WITHOUT TRYING, against not 1, but TWELVE future HOFers on the opposing team....in one of the WORST arenas to play in EVER!........AND he was SICK during MOST of the game.

[Story Up]

MJ got humiliated so bad, overrated ****!!

[OldSchoolBBall]

This is all Kobe stans have left nowadays, now that their idol is a crippled, hobbled old man and a shell of his former self. Let them have their moment. :oldlol:

[Droid101]

This is all Kobe stans have left nowadays, now that their idol is a crippled, hobbled old man and a shell of his former self. Let them have their moment. :oldlol:
You sound tired.

[Heavincent]

This is all Kobe stans have left nowadays, now that their idol is a crippled, hobbled old man and a shell of his former self. Let them have their moment. :oldlol:

:roll: :roll:

Being an elite player is pretty good for a "crippled, hobbled old man". Most athletes Kobe's age could only dream to do what he can. Vince Carter, one of my favorite players of all time, fits your description much better. Since I'm such a big VC fan, it's just pathetic watching him these days. The dude can barely run up the court now. At least Kobe is still an elite player and drops 30 on a fairly regular basis.

[chazzy]

This is all Kobe stans have left nowadays, now that their idol is a crippled, hobbled old man and a shell of his former self. Let them have their moment. :oldlol:
You've been "having your moment" since 1998

[Jacks3]

Crippled, hobbled old man...yet still the best SG in the league and one of the best players overall.

Damn that guy is good.

:pimp:

[WockaVodka]

Crippled, hobbled old man...yet still the best SG in the league and one of the best players overall.

Damn that guy is good.

:pimp:
i think it shows more about the level of SGs there are in the NBA.

[ProfessorMurder]

I'm the dumbest motherf*cker on this site.

That's very true. So true in fact, that I deem your arguments not even worth a real point by point answer. I'll answer in a manner better understood by people sucking Kobe's balls.

Wilt >>>>>>> Kobe
Jordan >>>>>>>> Kobe
Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Russell, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Robertson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe

Just shut the f*ck up.

[LALakerFan4Life]

The most embarrassing moment that MJ ever had in his career.. GawdBe sending his ass into retirement.. :bowdown:
:facepalm

[LALakerFan4Life]

The day that scarred MJ for life and drove him to retirement:lol
I hope your not serious.

[Cali Syndicate]

Bullsh!t. If he was, he'd have the scoring titles and a career PPG total to back that up after 16 years. Getting hot for a month, and then cooling down for the other 5 months of a season doesn't make you "the greatest". It just means that you're "streaky". Consistency is what separated Jordan and Wilt (and now Durant to an extent) from every other high scorer who's played.

The fact that Kobe plays with no regard makes him, when hot, as dangerous a scorer as there ever was. When MJ got hot, he still played within himself picking his spots. Kobe on the other hand will just start chucking from anywhere and everywhere. Obviously his "bad" shot selection hurt his overall consistency from the field throughout his career but when hot, he was definitely an amazing scorer, one of the best ever.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Kobe scoring 81 from perimeter >>>>>>>> Wilt getting buckets on 6'5 unathletic white centers.

Lol Kobe fought way harder for his points, seriously Kobe could prolly average 70 points in Wilt's era. He was no different then McGee, an athletic lengthy big playing against stiffs. Only reason he's a legend is bc the game wasn't as developed ad it is today. Kobe's 81 is ten times more impressive, his 62 in 3 quarters is twenty times more impressive then anything wilt has ever accomplished scoring wise.


Craziest part about it, most of his point are from jumpers and shit.

[Jacks3]

This dude has put up 32 PPG/58% TS, 35.4 PPG/56% TS seasons. lol @ one of the best ever "when he's hot".

He's one of the best ever.

Period. :pimp:

[Dragonyeuw]

The most embarrassing moment that MJ ever had in his career.. GawdBe sending his ass into retirement.. :bowdown:

And who's alt are you?

[White Mamba]

This is all Kobe stans have left nowadays, now that their idol is a crippled, hobbled old man and a shell of his former self. Let them have their moment. :oldlol:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

look who's talkin:oldlol:

[riseagainst]

to my fellow Kobe fans: I know it's funny and all to say things that insult MJ, but come on, dude was 40 and was obviously not the player he once was. Comments like those are the reason why some people insult Kobe as well.

[Dragonyeuw]

to my fellow Kobe fans: I know it's funny and all to say things that insult MJ, but come on, dude was 40 and was obviously not the player he once was. Comments like those are the reason why some people insult Kobe as well.

Plus Jordan wasn't guarding him that game. Having said that, at 40 Jordan wouldn't have been able to do anything with Kobe anyway, especially when he's in that zone like this game.

[Heavincent]

Damn Kobe averaged 41 points per game in the month of February that season :eek:

[Rake2204]

I cannot watch the clip at this moment. Who was the primary defender of Bryant in that contest?

[Droid101]

That's very true. So true in fact, that I deem your arguments not even worth a real point by point answer. I'll answer in a manner better understood by people sucking Kobe's balls.

Wilt >>>>>>> Kobe
Jordan >>>>>>>> Kobe
Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Russell, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Robertson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe

Just shut the f*ck up.
You sound tired, too.

[TheMan]

Funny thing is, the longer Kobe stays in the league, the more his skills will dimish, age is a beech, it catches up to everyone and in one game, some young cat that a prime Kobe might've been able to lock up is gonna go off and torch the Lakers and the stans of said young cat are gonna have a field day claiming the exact retarded shit the Kobetards here are saying...It will happen.

Then y'all gonna realize what immature bunch of crap you guys were spewing.

[LAClipsFan33]

I cannot watch the clip at this moment. Who was the primary defender of Bryant in that contest?

Jerry Stackhouse

[LAClipsFan33]

He was assigned to Kobe for 48 out of the 55 points he scored, including the game winner at the end. Jordan announced his retirement in the locker room post game.

False. With the game posted right there as proof...why would you even say some stupid sh!t like this ?

[AlphaWolf24]

Plus Jordan wasn't guarding him that game. Having said that, at 40 Jordan wouldn't have been able to do anything with Kobe anyway, especially when he's in that zone like this game.


so...

Kobe dropped 30 PPG (in like 17 minutes:roll: ) on MJ when MJ was still in his prime.....

and Kobe was just outta highschool:lol

[Colbertnation64]

Kobe scoring 81 from perimeter >>>>>>>> Wilt getting buckets on 6'5 unathletic white centers.

Lol Kobe fought way harder for his points, seriously Kobe could prolly average 70 points in Wilt's era. He was no different then McGee, an athletic lengthy big playing against stiffs. Only reason he's a legend is bc the game wasn't as developed ad it is today. Kobe's 81 is ten times more impressive, his 62 in 3 quarters is twenty times more impressive then anything wilt has ever accomplished scoring wise.
This is exactly what's wrong with a lot of "NBA fans". People that are fans of players more than a team are pathetic. You do realize Chamberlain won a championship in LA and has his jersey retired? Doubt it since you've probably never been inside the Staples Center.

You realize he was part of a team that won 33 games in a row? That he teamed up with 3 more great Lakers in Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, and Elgin Baylor(not so great in Wilts time but whatever).

Why do people want to knock players that played back then? And more importantly, why would you knock a player that is a HUGE part of history on your own team? I love Kobe, but I love the Lakers more so I wouldn't talk trash about one of the best players to have played for the Lakers.

Stop riding players *****, it's pathetic.

[AlphaWolf24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u-2Hd-Ly2CQ#t=235s

MJ about to cry...

[Dragonyeuw]

so...

Kobe dropped 30 PPG (in like 17 minutes:roll: ) on MJ when MJ was still in his prime.....

and Kobe was just outta highschool:lol

Oh yes, I remember that game, have it on tape. That's the one where Kobe scored most of his points against Chicago's reserves since he was coming off the bench, with a few baskets on Jordan( notably fallaway shot on Jordan and when he cut behind him on the baseline for a dunk). Seem to recall Jordan scoring 36 that game.....

[AlphaWolf24]

Oh yes, I remember that game, have it on tape. That's the one where Kobe scored most of his points against Chicago's reserves since he was coming off the bench, with a few baskets on Jordan( notably fallaway shot on Jordan and when he cut behind him on the baseline for a dunk). Seem to recall Jordan scoring 36 that game.....


NOPE..


I think I was talking about the other one...

when LA beat Chicago by 20 or so...

Kobe was basically ungaurdable.

wait or was it the other time when Kobe dropped like 20+ in limited minutes ..

I can't remember....just so many

[Dragonyeuw]

NOPE..


I think I was talking about the other one...

when LA beat Chicago by 20 or so...

Kobe was basically ungaurdable.

wait or was it the other time when Kobe dropped like 20+ in limited minutes ..

I can't remember....just so many

Oh yes, that one. Feb 1st, 1998. The last game Jordan played against Kobe as a Bull( not counting the all-star game, where he abused Kobe in the post)

Kobe: 26 minutes 7-16, 20 points,4 rebounds, 1 assist

MJ: 37 minutes, 11-26, 31 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists

Jordan was primarily guarded by Eddie Jones that game. Jordan had very few instances where he guarded Kobe.

[AlphaWolf24]

Oh yes, that one. Feb 1st, 1998. The last game Jordan played against Kobe as a Bull( not counting the all-star game, where he abused Kobe in the post)

Kobe: 26 minutes 7-16, 20 points,4 rebounds, 1 assist

MJ: 37 minutes, 11-26, 31 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists

Jordan was primarily guarded by Eddie Jones that game. Jordan had very few instances where he guarded Kobe.


The Allstar game where Kobe was the MVP until he was forced to sit on the Bench....the same allstar game where he went straight at MJ and was neck and neck...




Kobe: 26 minutes 7-16, 20 points,4 rebounds, 1 assist

MJ: 37 minutes, 11-26, 31 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists

Kobe leads LA to a 20 point win...plays 10 less minutes then MJ....still merked him.



PS: you forgot about the 03' allstar game ( the one where MJ wasn't even voted in to play by the fans or coaches....but still played:facepalm )

Kobe merked him again!!!

[Dragonyeuw]

The Allstar game where Kobe was the MVP until he was forced to sit on the Bench....the same allstar game where he went straight at MJ and was neck and neck...




This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sto7KGQs

I saw Kobe getting abused by MJ in the post, and Kobe was making a genuine defensive effort.



Kobe leads LA to a 20 point win...plays 10 less minutes then MJ....still merked him.



You mean the Lakers merked the Bulls. Shaq had 24, Eddie Jones had 20, Rick Fox had 25, but Kobe led the way? :facepalm




PS: you forgot about the 03' allstar game ( the one where MJ wasn't even voted in to play by the fans or coaches....but still played:facepalm )

Kobe merked him again!!!

Actually he was voted in as a reserve by the coaches. Vince Carter gave up his spot in the starting lineup.

23 year old defensive prime Kobe on 40 year old Jordan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhqMuo12ex4

Pretty sad when your only bragging points are prime Kobe 'scoring 55 on Jordan's team' or Kobe blocking a well past his prime Jordan. Pathetic really...

[lakerspng]

a lot of useless arguing.

simple fact, it would not have mattered which version of MJ played in this game and if he was on Kobe the whole time defensively, Kobe would not have been stopped. This first half he was just on fire. Beautiful shooting performance. Epic work, no matter by who, against who, in what era. Can't people just leave it at that.

[Dragonyeuw]

a lot of useless arguing.

simple fact, it would not have mattered which version of MJ played in this game and if he was on Kobe the whole time defensively, Kobe would not have been stopped. This first half he was just on fire. Beautiful shooting performance. Epic work, no matter by who, against who, in what era. Can't people just leave it at that.

I agree with this, and frankly it can be said of any truly great offensive player. On 'those' nights, they simply aren't going to be stopped.

[dude77]

so chukbe fans are once again bringing up a game in which kobe was a young, fresh 24 yr old approaching his prime and jordan was a washed up 40 yr old who was playing for nothing ? .. that's all you have chukbe stans ? .. you guys are embarrassing yourselves :oldlol:

I don't even know why people continue comparing these two .. this chuck artist with two measily scoring title in 16 yrs should never be mentioned in the same sentence as jordan .. a man who was the undisputed best player in the nba for a decade .. a man who had 10 scoring titles and 7 straight scoring titles .. utter domination and ownage .. it's quite frankly an insult to jordan's legacy

[Vertical-24]

a lot of useless arguing.

simple fact, it would not have mattered which version of MJ played in this game and if he was on Kobe the whole time defensively, Kobe would not have been stopped. This first half he was just on fire. Beautiful shooting performance. Epic work, no matter by who, against who, in what era. Can't people just leave it at that.

I agree that Kobe probably would've still had a stellar performance (guy is one of the greatest players of all time), but a prime ('88 - '93) MJ wouldn't have let Kobe drop 55 on him. He would've suctioned in on Kobe the whole game, harassing the fakk out of young Mamba. Jordan is one of the greatest man-to-man defenders of all time, especially, in his prime where he has an argument as being the best man-to-man defender of all time.

Regardless...Kobe would still probably have at least 40-45pts. He was just THAT good.

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[DonDadda59]

This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sto7KGQs

I saw Kobe getting abused by MJ in the post, and Kobe was making a genuine defensive effort.


Damn, even Shaq couldn't save him there :oldlol:

[lakerspng]

I agree that Kobe probably would've still had a stellar performance (guy is one of the greatest players of all time), but a prime ('88 - '93) MJ wouldn't have let Kobe drop 55 on him. He would've suctioned in on Kobe the whole game, harassing the fakk out of young Mamba. Jordan is one of the greatest man-to-man defenders of all time, especially, in his prime where he has an argument as being the best man-to-man defender of all time.

Regardless...Kobe would still probably have at least 40-45pts. He was just THAT good.

:applause:

I think Pippen would have been a better player to put on Kobe given the circumstances of this game. Most of the damage came from the outside and Pippen's greater length would have been able to bother his shot more than MJs. That said, prime MJ certainly would not have let him get as comfortable and into his rhythm as Stackhouse did.

[Living Being]

a lot of useless arguing.

simple fact, it would not have mattered which version of MJ played in this game and if he was on Kobe the whole time defensively, Kobe would not have been stopped. This first half he was just on fire. Beautiful shooting performance. Epic work, no matter by who, against who, in what era. Can't people just leave it at that.
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[Vertical-24]

I think Pippen would have been a better player to put on Kobe given the circumstances of this game. Most of the damage came from the outside and Pippen's greater length would have been able to bother his shot more than MJs. That said, prime MJ certainly would not have let him get as comfortable and into his rhythm as Stackhouse did.

Oh definitely, I consider Pippen to be in serious contention for best perimeter defender of all time (I have him as my #1) but I thought you were just talking about Jordan. I didn't even stop to think about the Bulls lol :oldlol:

[lakerspng]

Oh definitely, I consider Pippen to be in serious contention for best perimeter defender of all time (I have him as my #1) but I thought you were just talking about Jordan. I didn't even stop to think about the Bulls lol :oldlol:

yeah you had mentioned prime jordan which brought to mind the team he was on and the other players on his team, which immediately made me think of who would have been the best player to put on him from that team to slow him down. and I think given the sick long distance shooting he was doing, Pippen's length would have been a better solution.

[PHILA]

This is all Kobe stans have left nowadays

It almost seems as if they don't exist anymore. Compared to several years ago, they are near extinct. As Kobe has declined so have they.

[PickernRoller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riJDZ98Ro1g

Pippen with Jordan watching...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PL0F477738321C5AB3&v=WhNN920v6ss#t=459s

[Nevaeh]

Funny thing is, the longer Kobe stays in the league, the more his skills will dimish, age is a beech, it catches up to everyone and in one game, some young cat that a prime Kobe might've been able to lock up is gonna go off and torch the Lakers and the stans of said young cat are gonna have a field day claiming the exact retarded shit the Kobetards here are saying...It will happen.

Then y'all gonna realize what immature bunch of crap you guys were spewing.

It already happened, when young Lin dropped 38 on his ass, during the peak of "Linsanity", in New York. That one game alone guaranteed Lin a 25 Million Dollar contract.
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