ISH Vote #3: Top 20 Players in the NBA

[RRR3]

Top 20 NBA Players as voted by ISH
1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant

Part 1: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273644
Part 2: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7651246#post7651246


Vote for the 3rd best player in the NBA. First to 25 wins.

I vote for Dwight Howard



Voting results
Dwight Howard-25
Chris Paul-15
Kobe Bryant-8
Rajon Rondo-4
Derrick Rose-1
Deron Williams-1

[Heavincent]

Kobe

[fpliii]

CP3

[NOHCP3]

Chris Paul. CP3 homer vote

[IGotACoolStory]

CP3

[KG215]

Chris Paul. Don't have a problem with Howard here, either, but I'm going with CP3.

[AirTupac]

Kobe

[AK47DR91]

Dwight Howard

[B]

Kobe Bryant

[longhornfan1234]

Howard.

[raid09]

Howard

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Kobe

[longhornfan1234]

Kobe? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

everyone needs to vote for RONDO. :rant
Rondo
Rondo
Rondo

[RidonKs]

i think i'd take howard over durant... having a surefire center is still just more valuable and his offensive game is still on the up and up, likely to peak in a year or two once he adjusts to his new team. only thing that might stop me is his acting like a tw@t all year but generally speaking he's still a good natured guy and on the right team, he's far from a cancer.

so dwight

[AirTupac]

Kobe? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Didn't you put Wade in your top 5? You're not one to talk about rankings :oldlol:

[Rainwound]

i think i'd take howard over durant... having a surefire center is still just more valuable and his offensive game is still on the up and up, likely to peak in a year or two once he adjusts to his new team. only thing that might stop me is his acting like a tw@t all year but generally speaking he's still a good natured guy and on the right team, he's far from a cancer.

so dwight
Lol Durant already won #2.

Anyways, Howard.

[KG215]

I guess this is when the Kobe stans start to really show their true colors.

[EnoughSaid]

Dwight. Best defender in the NBA and automatically makes anyone a Playoff team.

[B]

Rondo top 3? Good joke

[LongLiveTheKing]

Dwight.

[riseagainst]

not really, he has an argument for #3 imo, especially after his playoff run.

[Yung D-Will]

Dwight

[Rainwound]

not really, he has an argument for #3 imo, especially after his playoff run.
He may have an argument for #3 among point guards, but even that's a stretch.

[alenleomessi]

Close between Paul and Howard, but im going with Paul.

[longhornfan1234]

Didn't you put Wade in your top 5? You're not one to talk about rankings :oldlol:
Wade >>>>>>Kobe.


Wade is a much more efficient scorer. Higher FG%, higher TS% and a higher eFG%. In fact, Kobe had a 46.2 eFG% this year...that's pretty damn bad. Kobe averaged more rebounds and assists, but that's because he played more minutes. Wade has a rebound% of 8.7 compared to Kobe's 7.8. He has an AST% of 27.3 to Kobe's 23.7. They turn the ball over at same rates. Wade not only has a higher PER , but he has a SIGNIFICANTLY higher PER. It's not even close. Wade was the 7th best iso defender, per synergy.The biggest contrast is in win shares. Wade had 1.5 more win shares, despite playing in 9 fewer games. He had .227 WS/48 compared to Kobe's .132. That's a HUGE gap that you can't ignore.

[Heavincent]

Wade >>>>>>Kobe.


:roll: :roll:

[KobesFinger]

CP3

[kennethgriffin]

kobe

[EnoughSaid]

Wade >>>>>>Kobe.


Wade is a much more efficient scorer. Higher FG%, higher TS% and a higher eFG%. In fact, Kobe had a 46.2 eFG% this year...that's pretty damn bad. Kobe averaged more rebounds and assists, but that's because he played more minutes. Wade has a rebound% of 8.7 compared to Kobe's 7.8. He has an AST% of 27.3 to Kobe's 23.7. They turn the ball over at same rates. Wade not only has a higher PER , but he has a SIGNIFICANTLY higher PER. It's not even close. Wade was the 7th best iso defender, per synergy.The biggest contrast is in win shares. Wade had 1.5 more win shares, despite playing in 9 fewer games. He had .227 WS/48 compared to Kobe's .132. That's a HUGE gap that you can't ignore.

Plus Wade's Game 6 vs. the Pacers was better than anything Kobe's put up in the Playoffs in the last 3 years.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

I guess this is when the Kobe stans start to really show their true colors.
I don't even like Kobe and I'll easily take him over Paul any day of the week. He might be the most overrated player in the league.

Kobe and Dwight were close but Dwight doesn't take over games offensively like Kobe can despite having all the physical tools. I've never feared a Dwight led team like I have with Kobe.

[kNIOKAS]

Rondo.

[Rubio2Gasol]

RONDO

WTF is going on here, Rondo shouldve been MVP last year, if he falls out of the top 5 :facepalm

If The Refs didn't screw Boston in his all time great performance in game 2 this wouldn't even be a question

[k0kakw0rld]

MarShon Brooks :coleman:

[KG215]

RONDO

WTF is going on here, Rondo shouldve been MVP last year, if he falls out of the top 5 :facepalm

If The Refs didn't screw Boston in his all time great performance in game 2 this wouldn't even be a question

You're the only one pushing for Rondo and saying he's a top 3 player in the league. That should tell you something. If it was as obvious as you're making it seem, then there'd probably be at least one more poster agreeing with you.

[Rnbizzle]

A healthy Derrick Rose.

[dyna]

Dwight

[Deuce Bigalow]

Steve Nash

[Stern]

Dwight

[ncrizzle]

dwight

[BuGzBuNNy]

D12

[RRR3]

Steve Nash
I know that's a troll vote please be serious

[arifgokcen]

howard

[FrankTony]

Howard

[Rubio2Gasol]

You're the only one pushing for Rondo and saying he's a top 3 player in the league. That should tell you something. If it was as obvious as you're making it seem, then there'd probably be at least one more poster agreeing with you.


Rondo.

:D

No but seriously there was no one better last year in the playoffs.Lebron and Durant are better than him but Kobe? Chris Paul? Dwight? No way.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I know that's a troll vote please be serious
What are you talking about? That is as serious as they come.

Stephen John Nash

[StateOfMind12]

Chris Paul, Dwight looked liked he had regressed offensively from his breakout 2010-11 season. He also didn't really put as much effort defensively either.

I'm assuming I wouldn't be able to vote Derrick Rose but if I could I would vote him for #4.

[BlueandGold]

I got Kobe.

[RRR3]

What are you talking about? That is as serious as they come.

Stephen John Nash
Deuce I know you well enough to know you don't think that. I'm assuming you want to vote for Kobe?

[RRR3]

Chris Paul, Dwight looked liked he had regressed offensively from his breakout 2010-11 season. He also didn't really put as much effort defensively either.

I'm assuming I wouldn't be able to vote Derrick Rose but if I could I would vote him for #4.
You can vote for rose

[Deuce Bigalow]

Deuce I know you well enough to know you don't think that. I'm assuming you want to vote for Kobe?
I'll vote for Kobe when he deserves it, in the 18-20 range. Right now I'm going with Steve Nash.

[RRR3]

I'll vote for Kobe when he deserves it, in the 18-20 range. Right now I'm going with Steve Nash.
:rolleyes:

[qrich]

CP3

[#number6ix#]

Howard

[RRR3]

CP3
The other day you said deron was better :biggums:

[WillC]

Dwight Howard

[FreezingTsmoove]

CP3

[qrich]

The other day you said deron was better :biggums:

I think Deron has the tools to be better, but overall, Paul easily outplayed him and what he did with the Clips last year was nothing short of amazing.

[RRR3]

I think Deron has the tools to be better, but overall, Paul easily outplayed him and what he did with the Clips last year was nothing short of amazing.
Then why did you list deron as the best PG

[Deuce Bigalow]

Where's my the 2nd greatest PG to ever play the game Nash vote?

[Dave3]

Yo, RRR3, first of all, I like the fact that you have criteria for when a person wins (25 votes) as opposed to according to your whim. Takes out any bias you may have from affecting the votes.

But second of all, what is this vote about? Best player in the 2012 season or best player for the 2013 season? If you clarify, it would be better because you'd have people voting based on the same criteria.

[RRR3]

Yo, RRR3, first of all, I like the fact that you have criteria for when a person wins (25 votes) as opposed to according to your whim. Takes out any bias you may have from affecting the votes.

But second of all, what is this vote about? Best player in the 2012 season or best player for the 2013 season? If you clarify, it would be better because you'd have people voting based on the same criteria.
Thanks. I just meant it to be who people think is the best at this current moment.

[Dave3]

Thanks. I just meant it to be who people think is the best at this current moment.
Thing is not everyone is playing at the moment. If that's what we're going by, then that means Calderon would be ranked above Rose because of his surgery. Do you mean then for the 2013 season?

[RRR3]

Thing is not everyone is playing at the moment. If that's what we're going by, then that means Calderon would be ranked above Rose because of his surgery. Do you mean then for the 2013 season?
I guess I still count rose lol. Sure for 2013 although rose may not play at all...

[kennethgriffin]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/njni-1.png

:kobe:

i think half the people voting are 1 guy

[fpliii]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/njni-1.png

:kobe:

i think half the people voting are 1 guy

what's good griff

[RoundMoundOfReb]

d12

[Dave3]

I guess I still count rose lol. Sure for 2013 although rose may not play at all...
Yeah, Rose is a tricky one regardless I guess.

[Legends66NBA7]

what's good griff

This has to be the #1 quote on ISH now.

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

This has to be the #1 quote on ISH now.

:oldlol:
Vote?
Dave3, your vote?

[Legends66NBA7]

Vote?
Dave3, your vote?

I'm not voting.

[RRR3]

I'm not voting.
:rant: slowing down thread :no:

[longhornfan1234]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/njni-1.png

:kobe:

i think half the people voting are 1 guy

Get a life. :facepalm

[Dave3]

Vote?
Dave3, your vote?
I'd say Paul for me is above Howard. I didn't bother for 1 and 2 because those were a given. 1 and 2 haven't been this clear since I've started watching the NBA.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/njni-1.png

:kobe:

i think half the people voting are 1 guy
How do you do that? Take screen shot pictures like that?

[Legends66NBA7]

:rant: slowing down thread :no:

How ? That was my first post and I wasn't trolling.

Besides, you know I never vote in these things... unless I'm specifically picked or volunteer to do so.

But I understand what you mean.

[RRR3]

How ? That was my first post and I wasn't trolling.

Besides, you know I never vote in these things... unless I'm specifically picked or volunteer to do so.

But I understand what you mean.
Please vote :( want to finish this one before I go home

[Snoop_Cat]

Chris Paul

[BuffaloBill]

I'm gonna go with Dwight Howard

[fpliii]

How do you do that? Take screen shot pictures like that?

if you're on a PC I think you can just press PrtScn

on a mac cmd+shift+3

[Rnbizzle]

A healthy Derrick Rose > Dwight.. It's crazy how many people seem to fail to see that.

[fpliii]

A healthy Derrick Rose > Dwight.. It's crazy how many people seem to fail to see that.

:facepalm

there is no more 'healthy' D-Rose

tearing an ACL is a debilitating injury from which he won't ever completely bounce back

he'll have to reinvent himself as a jumpshooter

CP3 tore his MCL and still isn't back to where he was before the injury

[Legends66NBA7]

I'd say Paul for me is above Howard. I didn't bother for 1 and 2 because those were a given. 1 and 2 haven't been this clear since I've started watching the NBA.

It's basically a choice between an offensive facilatitor/scorer, who's very good in the clutch and a defensive anchor who's also a very potent scorer too... his free throw struggles at the line and his off court behavior are what set him back for me.

He's probably better than Paul when they both have their heads straight, but I don't think Howard's the competitor Paul is or works as hard as Paul does.


Please vote :( want to finish this one before I go home

Paul.

It's too bad D-Rose is injured, I would really loved to see them go at each other again... Rose might have been this high too, at least Top 5 going forward, if healthy.

[maybeshewill13]

Dwight.

[Kews1]

dwight

[fpliii]

dwight

MIT? pretty cool :cheers:

almost ended up going there

[Rubio2Gasol]

A healthy Derrick Rose > Dwight.. It's crazy how many people seem to fail to see that.

Apparently people here would take Kevin Willis over Kidd or Iverson :roll:

[Legends66NBA7]

Apparently people here would take Kevin Willis over Kidd or Iverson

Who are you comparing Kevin Willis to ?

[Rubio2Gasol]

Who are you comparing Kevin Willis to ?

Dwight, Rondo and Rose respectively.

[Kews1]

MIT? pretty cool :cheers:

almost ended up going there

:cheers: , its expensive tho :facepalm

[k0kakw0rld]

Deron Williams :bowdown:

[Legends66NBA7]

Dwight, Rondo and Rose respectively.

I don't see any comparison with Willis and Dwight. Dwight's a better scorer and defender than Willis. Dwight's a franchise player, Willis is not.

I would compare Howard to the likes of Alonzo Mourning or Patrick Ewing (to a lesser extent).

[fpliii]

:cheers: , its expensive tho :facepalm

Stanford's pretty expensive too (undergrad at least; fortunately my masters department funded students, for the most part); necessary evil in the world today, though

what are you studying/did you study? I was going to start in course 6 if I went to MIT, but ended up switching to math (stats MS)

[Young X]

Cp3.

[LABean]

Kobe.

Give me Deron over CP3.

[pauk]

Dwight.

[BlackVVaves]

Dwight or CP3.

It's close. But give me Dwight.

[Kews1]

Stanford's pretty expensive too (undergrad at least; fortunately my masters department funded students, for the most part); necessary evil in the world today, though

what are you studying/did you study? I was going to start in course 6 if I went to MIT, but ended up switching to math (stats MS)

MIT Sloan School of Management, MBA

[fpliii]

MIT Sloan School of Management, MBA

:applause:

that's very impressive! gl in your studies

[Kews1]

:applause:

that's very impressive! gl in your studies

thanks, you too :cheers:

[Jacks3]

Cp3.

[riseagainst]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/njni-1.png

:kobe:

i think half the people voting are 1 guy

numbersix :lol

[CTulc]

Rondo.

[Umad101]

:kobe:

[PickernRoller]

numbersix :lol

Agenda in case Dwight gets traded to the Lakers...:lol :lol :lol :facepalm

[RRR3]

:kobe:
:coleman:

[b1imtf]

Paul

[ThatCoolKid]

Howard

[RRR3]

Dwight needs one more vote to advance

[CJ Mustard]

Dwight.

[tmacattack33]

Chris Paul.

[RRR3]

Dwight.
/thread

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