ISH Vote #4: Top 20 Players in the NBA

[RRR3]

Vote for the 4th best Player in the NBA! First to 25 votes wins!


I vote for Chris Paul.



Voting Results
Chris Paul-25
Kobe Bryant-10
Russell Westbrook-3
Rajon Rondo-2
Kevin Love-1
Dirk Nowitzki-1
Derrick Rose-1
Dwyane Wade-1

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Top 20 NBA Player as voted by ISH

1. LeBron James (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=273644)
2. Kevin Durant (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...46#post7651246)
3. Dwight Howard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7651523#post7651523)
4. Chris Paul

[Heavincent]

Kobe

[KGMN]

Kevin Love

[RoundMoundOfReb]

cp3

[Young X]

Cp3.

[IGotACoolStory]

CP3 should have been #3.

[tmacattack33]

Chris Paul.

He shoulda been number 3.

[RRR3]

I'm assuming CP3 will win this, and this will be the last one for today...
It should start to get more interesting after the top 4, which seem to be generally agreed upon on ISH to be LBJ, KD, D12 and CP3 (not necessarily in that order). I'm still deciding who I am going to pick for #5...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm assuming CP3 will win this, and this will be the last one for today...
It should start to get more interesting after the top 4, which seem to be generally agreed upon on ISH to be LBJ, KD, D12 and CP3 (not necessarily in that order). I'm still deciding who I am going to pick for #5...
Either D wade D rose Rondo or Westbrook imo.

[Heavincent]

Either D wade D rose Rondo or Westbrook imo.

Wade at number 5? :roll: :roll: :roll:

He's not even the best player at his own position. Westbrook is the only one who even has a case over Kobe for #5.

[RRR3]

Either D wade D rose or Westbrook imo.
Or Kobe. I still don't know what to do with Derrick Rose...I've already let people vote for him, but I really don't know when I myself will vote for him (if at all). If he was healthy, I'd certainly be considering him for the 5th spot and no lower than 7th or 8th.

[qrich]

CP360.



or DeJuan Blair :oldlol:

As far as #5, it's gotta be EJ :D

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Wade at number 5? :roll: :roll: :roll:

He's not even the best player at his own position. Westbrook is the only one who even has a case over Kobe for #5.
D wade had a better regular seaon than Kobe this last year imho. Plus Kobe will probably decline more for next year than Wade.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Rondo.

[AK47DR91]

GOATbrook AKA Russell Westbrook

Best PG in the league. I'm serious!

[Heavincent]

D wade had a better regular seaon than Kobe this last year imho. Plus Kobe will probably decline more for next year than Wade.

Kobe was clearly better than Wade in both the regular season and playoffs.

[miles berg]

Dirk Nowitzki

[imdaman99]

goatbrook :pimp:

[NOHCP3]

Chris Paul. CP3

[BuffaloBill]

Derrick Rose

[CJ Mustard]

Kobe.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kobe was clearly better than Wade in both the regular season and playoffs.
No he wasn't. playoffs i dont know didn't watch too much lakers playoff games. Reg season wade was better.

[pauk]

Chris Paul... a healthy Derrick Rose would be my choice though... but...

[Rubio2Gasol]

No he wasn't. playoffs i dont know didn't watch too much lakers playoff games. Reg season wade was better.

Kobe was better in the playoffs for me. Regular season as well to be honest, Wade mossed a good stretch of games , Kobe despite the poor percentages was better than last year.

[Heavincent]

No he wasn't. playoffs i dont know didn't watch too much lakers playoff games. Reg season wade was better.

No way in hell. Kobe averaged more points, rebounds, and assists, and was far more important to his team. The only thing Wade had on Kobe was FG% because he was getting spoon fed by Lebron and cherry picked like a mother****er. Not to mention Kobe is a much better shooter and is more skilled.

Wade might not even be the second most important player on his team. Bosh was arguably more important during the playoffs.

[RRR3]

Chris Paul... a healthy Derrick Rose would be my choice though... but...
All right changed it. You can still vote for Rose of course, because he may be back this season, but if you do, I'm assuming you think he will return at his previous level or at least near it...

[RRR3]

No way in hell. Kobe averaged more points, rebounds, and assists, and was far more important to his team. The only thing Wade had on Kobe was FG% because he was getting spoon fed by Lebron and cherry picked like a mother****er. Not to mention Kobe is a much better shooter and is more skilled.

Wade might not even be the second most important player on his team. Bosh was arguably more important during the playoffs.
Wade in general would be just as important to a team as Kobe, his importance is lessened on the Heat because he's a poor man's LeBron and he and LeBron overlap a lot. Also, Spoelstra limited Wade's minutes this year, and Wade is the second option on his team, unlike Kobe, so remember Wade could have better numbers on another team. Agree on Bosh being more important and valuable in the playoffs, but a lot of that is because Wade played like a goddamned retard in the playoffs.

[scandisk_]

Mamba :pimp:

[BlueandGold]

Kobe

[pauk]

All right changed it. You can still vote for Rose of course, because he may be back this season, but if you do, I'm assuming you think he will return at his previous level or at least near it...

Yea.. i doubt he will...

[TylerOO]

Westbrook

[Heavincent]

Wade in general would be just as important to a team as Kobe, his importance is lessened on the Heat because he's a poor man's LeBron and he and LeBron overlap a lot. Also, Spoelstra limited Wade's minutes this year, and Wade is the second option on his team, unlike Kobe, so remember Wade could have better numbers on another team. Agree on Bosh being more important and valuable in the playoffs, but a lot of that is because Wade played like a goddamned retard in the playoffs.

Except the Lakers would have worse results if they had Wade as a first option instead of Kobe.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Kobe.

[EnoughSaid]

I'll take Wade over everyone left. :pimp:

[b1imtf]

Paul

[EnoughSaid]

Except the Lakers would have worse results if they had Wade as a first option instead of Kobe.

:roll: Come on now. Wade scores just as much, but more efficiently. Plus, he'd be a quick and fast paced player for the Lakers, which is what they need. Wade's Game 6 vs. Pacers on ONE knee >>>>> anything Kobe's put up in the Playoffs since 2009.

[KG215]

Wade at number 5? :roll: :roll: :roll:

He's not even the best player at his own position. Westbrook is the only one who even has a case over Kobe for #5.

I don't know why you expect anyone to take you seriously. You've proven to be as big of a Kobe stan as anyone.

Anyway, my vote is for CP3.

[joeyjoejoe]

Cp3

[Heavincent]

:roll: Come on now. Wade scores just as much, but more efficiently. Plus, he'd be a quick and fast paced player for the Lakers, which is what they need. Wade's Game 6 vs. Pacers on ONE knee >>>>> anything Kobe's put up in the Playoffs since 2009.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Heavincent]

I don't know why you expect anyone to take you seriously. You've proven to be as big of a Kobe stan as anyone.

Anyway, my vote is for CP3.

What? It's the general consensus that Kobe is the best SG in the league. Just the way it is.

[PickernRoller]

After bitch1ng and hijacking Deuce Bigalow thread of the same format OP copycats to pull this crap. Who would have thought?

[StateOfMind12]

I don't know why you expect anyone to take you seriously. You've proven to be as big of a Kobe stan as anyone.
:oldlol: This....


My vote is the same as last time in #3, Chris Paul.

[KG215]

Two votes for Westrook at #4? Huh. I mean I love him and all but I don't think he's the 4th best player in the NBA. I just don't think you could make him the alpha dog on a team and expect him to lead them to the second round with a decent supporting cast or conference finals or beyond with a good supporting cast. For example, take Durant off the Thunder, and give Westbrook control of the reigns with Harden and Ibaka as his 2nd and 3rd bananas, I'm not sure they get past the Lakers in the second round.

I think he's a top 10 player, just don't see him as a top 5 player right now.

[EnoughSaid]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe Stan, Wade hater...

:facepalm

[KG215]

What? It's the general consensus that Kobe is the best SG in the league. Just the way it is.

That doesn't mean he's the 3rd-5th best player in the league like you've voted every time so far. Can't remember, but you may have even voted him as the 2nd best.

[RRR3]

Except the Lakers would have worse results if they had Wade as a first option instead of Kobe.
That's debatable. Wade would involve the bigs more and give the Lakers an elite penetrator. However, he'd make the Lakers floor spacing even worse...

[Deuce Bigalow]

:roll: Come on now. Wade scores just as much, but more efficiently. Plus, he'd be a quick and fast paced player for the Lakers, which is what they need. Wade's Game 6 vs. Pacers on ONE knee >>>>> anything Kobe's put up in the Playoffs since 2009.
One game :roll:

Wade had 2 30 point games in the 2012 Playoffs, Kobe averaged that and had 2 40pt games

Kobe: 30.0 ppg on 53 TS%
Wade: 22.8 ppg on 53 TS%

How does he score just as much and on better efficiency?

[RRR3]

One game :roll:

Wade had 2 30 point games in the 2012 Playoffs, Kobe averaged that and had 2 40pt games
Wade is the second option. What part of this is so hard to understand? :banghead:

[Young X]

What? It's the general consensus that Kobe is the best SG in the league. Just the way it is.
It shouldn't be though, Wade is the best SG in the league, or at least even with Kobe.

[EnoughSaid]

One game :roll:

Wade had 2 30 point games in the 2012 Playoffs, Kobe averaged that and had 2 40pt games

But that one game was more impressive than anything Kobe put up. And it was in a tight, important game.

[Heavincent]

That doesn't mean he's the 3rd-5th best player in the league like you've voted every time so far. Can't remember, but you may have even voted him as the 2nd best.

No, I voted for Durant at number 2.

I feel that Howard and CP3 are overrated. Hell, I don't even think CP3 would be the best PG if Rose didn't tear his knee up. Why is CP3 is so vastly superior to Kobe?

[Heavincent]

That's debatable. Wade would involve the bigs more and give the Lakers an elite penetrator. However, he'd make the Lakers floor spacing even worse...

More touches for Bynum? That's just a disaster waiting to happen.

[RRR3]

More touches for Bynum? That's just a disaster waiting to happen.
:rolleyes:

[Heavincent]

But that one game was more impressive than anything Kobe put up. And it was in a tight, important game.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe averaged 34/8/7 on 52% shooting in the 2010 WCF. There are countless other games there were better too. Wade pretty much sucked throughout the layoffs.

[Deuce Bigalow]

But that one game was more impressive than anything Kobe put up. And it was in a tight, important game.
36-9-11 on 77 TS% http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010_WCF.html
38-7-10 on 80 TS% http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005250PHO.html

Wrong again

And

Kobe: 30.0 ppg on 53 TS%
Wade: 22.8 ppg on 53 TS%

How does he score just as much and on better efficiency?

[Heavincent]

:rolleyes:

Have you seen what happens when Bynum has the green light? He shot 42% when Kobe was injured. He needs less touches, not more. Pau, on the other hand, needs more touches. He was getting the perfect amount of shot attempts before Bynum emerged.

[RRR3]

36-9-11 on 77 TS% http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010_WCF.html
38-7-10 on 80 TS% http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005250PHO.html

Wrong again

And

Kobe: 30.0 ppg on 53 TS%
Wade: 22.8 ppg on 53 TS%

How does he score just as much and on better efficiency?
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm Kobe shoots FTs better, that explains the TS%. And AGAIN, Wade is the 2nd option :banghead: :hammerhead:

[RRR3]

Have you seen what happens when Bynum has the green light? He shot 42% when Kobe was injured. He needs less touches, not more. Pau, on the other hand, needs more touches. He was getting the perfect amount of shot attempts before Bynum emerged.
Bynum wouldn't have "the green light" with Wade, he'd just probably get a few more touches. So would Pau.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm Kobe shoots FTs better, that explains the TS%. And AGAIN, Wade is the 2nd option :banghead: :hammerhead:
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

RRRetard at his best

[Heavincent]

Bynum wouldn't have "the green light" with Wade, he'd just probably get a few more touches. So would Pau.

And the results wouldn't be as good as you might think. Wade can't shoot for shit, so defenses would probably just clutter up the paint. Kobe is just much more lethal on offense.

Just think, with Wade, the Lakers wouldn't have any good perimeter shooters at all. Not one.

[RRR3]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

RRRetard at his best
What did I say that was wrong? And stop derailing my thread

[Rubio2Gasol]

All I know is Wade was terrible in the playoffs.Horrible for 5 of 6 games against the Pacers(had a 5 point game at one point), and then got completely murdered by Westbrook.

I'm not impressed no matter the stats and percentages.

[Young X]

All I know is Wade was terrible in the playoffs.Horrible for 5 of 6 games against the Pacers(had a 5 point game at one point), and then got completely murdered by Westbrook.I'm not impressed no matter the stats and percentages.
How were his games 4 and 5 terrible? How is 23/5/4 46% on one knee terrible? :facepalm

[KG215]

No, I voted for Durant at number 2.

I feel that Howard and CP3 are overrated. Hell, I don't even think CP3 would be the best PG if Rose didn't tear his knee up. Why is CP3 is so vastly superior to Kobe?

Right now I'd take CP3 over Kobe on my team, no question. Partially because Kobe is older and not what he once was. He's going to put up the numbers (27-5-5) that look good on paper but there's more to being considered a better player than that. Chris Paul, in my opinion, is the consummate PG/floor general. Outside of Rondo, I'm not sure there's a more cerebral PG and understands the intricacies of how to run a team, and he's a better offensive player than Rondo. He's a 20/10/4/2 guy who just makes his team and teammates better to a further extent than Kobe. Again, that is my opinion, but I think if you swap Kobe with CP3 this year, the Clippers don't get out of the first round, and the Lakers may have at least taken the Thunder 6-7 games.

[EnoughSaid]

36-9-11 on 77 TS% http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010_WCF.html
38-7-10 on 80 TS% http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005250PHO.html

Wrong again

And

Kobe: 30.0 ppg on 53 TS%
Wade: 22.8 ppg on 53 TS%

How does he score just as much and on better efficiency?

Lmao hold up. You're going to judge Wade on an injury riddled, and shortened season where he got less minutes and wasn't even the first option? :oldlol: Are you judging how Rose and Dwight are based off last season as well?

Dwyane Wade's game 6 vs. Pacers (On ONE Knee he had to get drained twice during the Playoffs): 41 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assists on 17 of 25 shooting. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWCVEDwE5I)

Oh and since you're including the 2010 playoffs, why not take account arguably the best game from anyone during that post season.

Dwyane Wade's game 4 vs. Celtics: 46 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, on 16 of 24 shooting. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUGJCy6zcoM)

The Pacers and Celtics were both better defensive teams than the Suns as well.

[Umad101]

Mamba

[Snoop_Cat]

How are people actually picking people outside of Bryant/CP3 ... and I DESPISE Kobe.

CP3 is #4 for me.

[Nash-tastic]

Chris Paul
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/12/20/Clippers-beat-Lakers-in-preseason-MIO5QHK-x-large.jpg

[jalbert009]

Kobe for me

[imdaman99]

Two votes for Westrook at #4? Huh. I mean I love him and all but I don't think he's the 4th best player in the NBA. I just don't think you could make him the alpha dog on a team and expect him to lead them to the second round with a decent supporting cast or conference finals or beyond with a good supporting cast. For example, take Durant off the Thunder, and give Westbrook control of the reigns with Harden and Ibaka as his 2nd and 3rd bananas, I'm not sure they get past the Lakers in the second round.

I think he's a top 10 player, just don't see him as a top 5 player right now.
thats cherry picking dude. take westbrook off the floor and the thunder don't get past the lakers either.

[Kews1]

Chris Paul

[fpliii]

hmmmm

my number 4 is Dwight, who beat Paul (my vote from last time) last time

guess I'm taking CP3 again

[wally_world]

Kobe

[imdaman99]

lebron
durant
dwight
cp3
kobe
westbrook
melo
the rest

this is how its gonna turn out :rockon:

[Jacks3]

This is easily CP3.

[Deuce Bigalow]

What did I say that was wrong? And stop derailing my thread
Free throw % is PART of efficiency

[TheNaturalWR]

No way in hell. Kobe averaged more points, rebounds, and assists, and was far more important to his team. The only thing Wade had on Kobe was FG% because he was getting spoon fed by Lebron and cherry picked like a mother****er. Not to mention Kobe is a much better shooter and is more skilled.

Wade might not even be the second most important player on his team. Bosh was arguably more important during the playoffs.

How many playoff games did Kobe throw away? Like 3? :bowdown:

[AlonzoGOAT]

CP3

[Freedom Kid7]

Chris Paul. It was strange to watch him dismantle that Grizzly team.

[RRR3]

lebron
durant
dwight
cp3
kobe
westbrook
melo
the rest

this is how its gonna turn out :rockon:

Are you voting for CP3?

[KG215]

thats cherry picking dude. take westbrook off the floor and the thunder don't get past the lakers either.

I think they do. I think Durant does and means more to the Thunder than Westbrook. I think without Westbrook, the Thunder still beat the Lakers in 6 or 7.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I think they do. I think Durant does and means more to the Thunder than Westbrook. I think without Westbrook, the Thunder still beat the Lakers in 6 or 7.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[DirtySanchez]

Kobe over Cp3 you guys are tripping

[KG215]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Nice rebuttal. I mean you were so eloquent and knowledgeable in your response of why you disagreed. At least you didn't resort to the ISH go-to immature "I don't agree with you" response of a bunch of emoticons.

I understand the importance of Westbrook to the Thunder. I'm an OKC fan. I watch the vast majority of their games. But I think the current Thunder team would have a better chance of making the WCF with Durant and no Westbrook, than they would with Westbrook and no Durant.

[riseagainst]

Nice rebuttal. I mean you were so eloquent and knowledgeable in your why you disagreed. At least you didn't resort to the ISH go-to immature "I don't agree with you" response of a bunch of emoticons.


Originally Posted by KG215
I think they do. I think Durant does and means more to the Thunder than Westbrook. I think without Westbrook, the Thunder still beat the Lakers in 6 or 7.

those emoticons are nothing different than what you typed in. What you essentially typed in was just a statement of your own opinion with no facts to back it up. Deuce's emoticons are basically saying you are wrong with no listed facts to back it up.

Anyway the Thunder without Westbrook wouldn't have gotten past the Lakers. but even by some miracle they did, they would've gotten swept easily by the Heat.






Oh and I vote for Rondo again.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nice rebuttal. I mean you were so eloquent and knowledgeable in your response of why you disagreed. At least you didn't resort to the ISH go-to immature "I don't agree with you" response of a bunch of emoticons.

I understand the importance of Westbrook to the Thunder. I'm an OKC fan. I watch the vast majority of their games. But I think the current Thunder team would have a better chance of making the WCF with Durant and no Westbrook, than they would with Westbrook and no Durant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZyhTQibk2k

Now let me express my reaction again :facepalm

I watched that series as a Laker fan. First 3 quarters he was easily the best Thunder player.

[LongLiveTheKing]

CP3

[KOBE143]

The top 3 ranking sucks.. Kobe should be #1 or at least top 3..

[KG215]

those emoticons are nothing different than what you typed in. What you essentially typed in was just a statement of your own opinion with no facts to back it up. Deuce's emoticons are basically saying you are wrong with no listed facts to back it up.

Anyway the Thunder without Westbrook wouldn't have gotten past the Lakers. but even by some miracle they did, they would've gotten swept easily by the Heat.


Oh and I vote for Rondo again.

Right, but at least make it worth my while by telling me why you don't agree. I could do what the worst stans do by handpicking a stat or two that makes my argument look good while ignoring context.

Of course it's an opinionated statement. 99% of what is posted on ISH is opinionated. The entire premise of this thread is opinion based. No one can factually 100% prove Durant is better than Howard and Paul.

[KG215]

The top 3 ranking sucks.. Kobe should be #1 or at least top 3..

Why? What possible argument does have for #1? He doesn't even have an argument for top 3 in my opinion, but what could you possible use for evidence as to why he's currently the best player in the NBA?

[Fudge]

Kobe

[KG215]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZyhTQibk2k

Now let me express my reaction again :facepalm

I watched that series as a Laker fan. First 3 quarters he was easily the best Thunder player.

Admittedly that was a bad team/example to use. The Lakers had no one that could guard Westbrook until they would use Kobe on him for stretches. While he wasn't much good for anything else, MWP was still a very tough match-up for Durant.

It's not like Durant was a complete no-show in the first three quarters of every game that series. Westbrook was brilliant in game 5 and, without him, they don't win.

Let me put it this way: I think if you start a team from scratch, and build around Durant, that team can contend for a championship and go further than a team built around Westbrook. Of course I have no statistical analysis to back this up. How could I? Durant just has a bigger impact on the game. Again, I LOVE Westbrook and the only PG I would trade him for is Chris Paul. His arrogant in your face persona is the perfect balance to Durant's more laid-back/silent assassin personality.

However, at this point in his career, Westbrook still has stretches in games where he takes bad shots, holds the ball too long, and kills offensive rhythm. I personally think he's better playing off the ball but I couldn't trust a team with Westbrook as their best player/alpha male to do more than win 50-55 games in the regular season and top out by making the second round. And to me, that means he's a top 5 player. He's on the cusp of that and, if he continues at his current progression rate, he could be there as soon as next season; but I'm basing this on his career to date.

I'm not saying Westbrook is a bad player; he's an exceptional player and arguably the best second banana in the league right now alongside Wade. But Durant means more and is more valuable to the Thunder. Maybe not by a wide margin, but he's the more valuable player.

[josh99]

Do we factor in health?

[chazzy]

CP3

[RRR3]

CP3 needs 3 more to advance. Let's get it going, number 5 should start to be more interesting and debatable! :D

[Legends66NBA7]

CP3 needs 3 more to advance. Let's get it going, number 5 should start to be more interesting and debatable! :D

Did you count my Paul pick from the previous thread ?

Would make sense, if you did...

[RRR3]

Did you count my Paul pick from the previous thread ?

Would make sense, if you did...
no but I will now :D

[b1imtf]

Kevin Love
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Legends66NBA7]

no but I will now :D

Keep that in mind, if my selection (if I make a pick again) doesn't make it or get enough votes, to count it for the next thread.

[chips93]

if rose was healthy, he would be my pick here, but he isnt so:

Chris Paul

[Snoop_Cat]

CP3 needs 3 more to advance. Let's get it going, number 5 should start to be more interesting and debatable! :D

This is going to take way longer once the consensus best players on board are no longer there, we should bring it down to 15.

[red1]

kobe or cp3, leaning towards kobe

[RRR3]

This is going to take way longer once the consensus best players on board are no longer there, we should bring it down to 15.
25 is good for now.

[RRR3]

kobe or cp3, leaning towards kobe
So mark you for Kobe?

[longhornfan1234]

Cp3.

[Faptastrophe]

Chris Paul.
Time for a new thread.

[bluechox2]

lolbron

[RRR3]

Cp3.
/thread.
Cp3 wins.


Time for number 5:banana: