Worst Championship team?

[Freedom Kid7]

We can all argue about the best championship squad (showtime, 1996 Bulls, 1986 Celtics, etc.), but which team won the championship that just makes you think 'how, they're a terrible team?'

I'd say some of those squads that won in the 70s were pretty bad. The Washington team that won in 78 was pretty mediocre.

[EnoughSaid]

The 2011 Mavericks weren't that good. I mean if wasn't for LeBron taking a vacation early, Miami would have taken the title.

[SpecialQue]

inb4 2012 Miami Heat.

[KOBE143]

Heat 2012.. The luckiest half champs.. Weak competition..

[LongLiveTheKing]

Heat 2012.. The luckiest half champs.. Weak competition..
The Thunder are weak competition? :lol

[riseagainst]

2006 Heat. Refs. Mavs got robbed.

[Rainwound]

The Thunder are weak competition? :lol
If he thinks they are then what does that make his lakers who got steamrolled by the Thunder? :lol

[Dictator]

If he thinks they are then what does that make his lakers who got steamrolled by the Thunder? :lol

Harden died though before playing the heat.

[EnoughSaid]

If he thinks they are then what does that make his lakers who got steamrolled by the Thunder? :lol

:roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

If he thinks they are then what does that make his lakers who got steamrolled by the Thunder? :lol

Mister Harden half head blowed donkey d*ck vs the Heat. His flopping couldn't help him in the finals. :lol

[KOBE143]

The Thunder are weak competition? :lol
The only team they faced that actually good but they were young and no experience..

[EnoughSaid]

The only team they faced that actually good but they were young and no experience..

Then how did that team steamroll the Spurs and Lakers? :oldlol:

[Rainwound]

Mister Harden half head blowed donkey d*ck vs the Heat. His flopping couldn't help him in the finals. :lol
Yeah I admit Harden sucked in the finals, you act like he's never going to improve though.

[Deuce Bigalow]

1999 & 2012*

[LongLiveTheKing]

2002*

[KOBE143]

If he thinks they are then what does that make his lakers who got steamrolled by the Thunder? :lol
LOL the lakers were not the same as their championship years.. Even though they were not the same Lakers team they almost beat them but the ref take charged and controlled the game in favor of the thunder..

[RRR3]

Then how did that team steamroll the Spurs and Lakers? :oldlol:
Exactly. LeBron won with the "worst championship team ever", according to Kobe134. Clearly, he thinks LeBron is the GOAT :bowdown:

[LongLiveTheKing]

LOL the lakers were not the same as their championship years.. Even though they were not the same Lakers team they almost beat them but the ref take charged and controlled the game in favor of the thunder..
The only game the Lakers won they shot 42 fts. And the refs helped Thunder?:roll:

[riseagainst]

Exactly. LeBron won with the "worst championship team ever", according to Kobe134. Clearly, he thinks LeBron is the GOAT :bowdown:

i don't think that's what he meant and what this thread meant. he and the thread meant: championship teams that deserve a *, or ones that faced especially weak competition the whole way, or ones that were highly questionable aka refs.

so 2006 immediately pops in my head. :pimp:

[franchise#3]

Heat 2006 and 2012

[LongLiveTheKing]

Heat 2006 and 2012
2002*

[Rainwound]

LOL the lakers were not the same as their championship years.. Even though they were not the same Lakers team they almost beat them but the ref take charged and controlled the game in favor of the thunder..
HAHAHA the lakers were one game away from being swept but you say they "almost beat" the Thunder :roll: :roll:

The refs took charge? You mean like game 3 when the lakers took 42 free throws and Kobe got bailed out every time Sefolosha made him throw up an ugly brick? Keep the excuses coming little bitch :lol

[SpecialQue]

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[RRR3]

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[KOBE143]

Exactly. LeBron won with the "worst championship team ever", according to Kobe134. Clearly, he thinks LeBron is the GOAT :bowdown:
:facepalm The east was horrible.. LOL lebron goat, in your dreams? Weakest competition going to finals beating young and no experience thunder for half cheap ring.. Clearly the worst champs ever..

[Freedom Kid7]

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Irrelevant, but okay.

Guys please don't turn this into a Kobe-stan vs Lebron-stan thread. Please?

[LongLiveTheKing]

:facepalm The east was horrible.. LOL lebron goat, in your dreams? Weakest competition going to finals beating young and no experience thunder for half cheap ring.. Clearly the worst champs ever..
Bosh and Wade were injured, the Pacers were a deep team, and Hibbert against the Heat w/o Bosh is tough. The Celtics were a tough team, with Bosh not playing half the series.

[SilkkTheShocker]

2006 Heat and 2011 Mavericks.

Wade won with a declining Shaq and a bunch of role players. Dirk won with Jason Terry as his 2nd option. I mean they were relying on JJ Barea for production. :bowdown: :applause: Wade/Dirk

[LamarOdom]

inb4 2012 Miami Heat.

Right on que I see.

[Bigsmoke]

The 1994 Rockets were that good now :biggums:

Washington Bullets in 1978 won 44 games but people are picking the 2012 Heat :biggums:

[Lebron23]

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Where can I download some episodes of Picket fences?

[SilkkTheShocker]

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What movie is that from?

[KOBE143]

Bosh and Wade were injured, the Pacers were a deep team, and Hibbert against the Heat w/o Bosh is tough. The Celtics were a tough team, with Bosh not playing half the series.
Just to show you how weak their competition was.. Even with Wade and bosh injured they still beat the pacers.. :facepalm at the celtics being tough.. Sixers forced them to game 7 and almost beat them.. Really the Sixers? :lol

[Lebron23]

What movie is that from?


Picket fences episode.

[kobron23]

Then how did that team steamroll the Spurs and Lakers? :oldlol:

uh??? they didnt??

[Bigsmoke]

Heat 2012.. The luckiest half champs.. Weak competition..


i didn't know the playoffs were cut in half

even if u were talking about the regular season.

i didnt know 66 is half of 82

idiot

[LongLiveTheKing]

Just to show you how weak their competition was.. Even with Wade and bosh injured they still beat the pacers.. :facepalm at the celtics being tough.. Sixers forced them to game 7 and almost beat them.. Really the Sixers? :lol
They were good but the reason they won was cause LeBron had to put up monster games. And D-Wade's Game 6 vs Pacers.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Picket fences episode.


Thanks. Never heard of it.

[Lebron23]

i didn't know the playoffs were cut in half

even if u were talking about the regular season.

i didnt know 66 is half of 82

idiot

Just put that douche bag back on your ignore lists. He's a stupid gimmick account. Miami beat the OKC Thunder who steamrolled the competitions in the West.

[Deuce Bigalow]

i didn't know the playoffs were cut in half

even if u were talking about the regular season.

i didnt know 66 is half of 82

idiot
It's not about the amount of games its

No full training camp
No full practices

It is not a full prepared year

That is why Phil Jackson the greatest coach of all-time says lockout seasons deserve an asterisk

[KrizMiz]

Dallas 2011 !

[FreezingTsmoove]

Went from most hated to a champion god-flow, I guess that's a feeling only me and Lebron know - Kanye West




and oh lord that gif :rockon:

[LongLiveTheKing]

It's not about the amount of games its

No full training camp
No full practices

It is not a full prepared year

That is why Phil Jackson the greatest coach of all-time says lockout seasons deserve an asterisk
The only real asterisk is Lakers in '02.

[Bigsmoke]

It's not about the amount of games its

No full training camp
No full practices

It is not a full prepared year

That is why Phil Jackson the greatest coach of all-time says lockout seasons deserve an asterisk

:confusedshrug:

basically, this is what you're saying

"The Heat's championship doesn't count because were more prepared than the other teams"

[riseagainst]

The only real asterisk is Lakers in '02.

u forgot 2006 Heat too. And actually come to think of it, Celtics got robbed this year. Should've ended 4-1.

[riseagainst]

:confusedshrug:

basically, this is what you're saying

"The Heat's championship doesn't count because were more prepared than the other teams"

pretty sure he said Phil Jackson said it, so go argue with Phil Jackson.

[dude77]

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what movie is this from ?

[LongLiveTheKing]

u forgot 2006 Heat too. And actually come to think of it, Celtics got robbed this year. Should've ended 4-1.
2006 Heat would've lost but Dirk choked. And the Celtics up 4-1 lol.

[dude77]

picket fences oh .. so what was the story of that scene

trying to appease the kid with a gameboy, some chocolate cake it looks like .. and .. uhm .. I can only imagine the rest .. damn those tv restrictions

[riseagainst]

2006 Heat would've lost but Dirk choked. And the Celtics up 4-1 lol.

should've never even played a game 6.

[LongLiveTheKing]

should've never even played a game 6.
Just because of that Rondo no call? Heat still would've been down 2 who knows if Rondo would've hit those, he's a pretty bad free throw shooter. And LeBron fouled out in Game 4, when most of his fouls were non-shooting fouls.

[dude77]

probably 06 heat .. but just because there has to be a team down in the pack .. that team was still solid

[TheMan]

To be honest, 2012 Heat faced weak EC competition and struggled (Bosh and Wade hurt) to get to the Finals but give them credit for rolling over the Thunder.

2006 Heat are probably the weakest champs, not impressive once you get past Wade.

[alleykat]

I think 2002 (most notably because of the scandal concerning the 2002 Western Conference finals) could be considered weak. The Lakers that year were a top notch team and probably would have won whether it was fixed or not. But still, it kinda ruins that championship for me. I saw those games and some of the calls especially the late charge on chris webber while the defender was inside the arc made me question the integrity of the game.

2012 Heat were very strong defensively, but as a team they weren't one of the best. They had Lebron who had a phenomenal playoffs and finals run, Wade and Bosh did their part as well, but the rest of the role players didn't really step up at a consistent level. They stepped up when they needed them, but not enough to merit them the one of the strongest teams.

If your going for the actual word "team", a good example of a team that displayed the very fundamental idea of unity and teamwork were the detroit pistons 2004...

[ILLsmak]

2006 Heat. Refs. Mavs got robbed.

I know you're just trolling, but that, to me, is one of the best teams of all time when I think about it.

they didn't have big names, but they had star power AND great role players. I can't think of a more balanced team with a great front line, great bench, a star playing out of his mind...

-Smak

[swi7ch]

Any of the Pistons teams in the last decade.

[alleykat]

Any of the Pistons teams in the last decade.

2004 no headlining star power, great "team"......they weren't the worst, actually one of the best "teams"

[Freedom Kid7]

2004 no headlining star power, great "team"......they weren't the worst, actually one of the best "teams"
I definitely agree. Sometimes those teams without an elite superstar play fluid and like a unit, making them solid teams. Walton's Trailblazers are a great example of this, as are the Pistons of '04.

[Mr. Incredible]

It's not about the amount of games its

No full training camp
No full practices

It is not a full prepared year

That is why Phil Jackson the greatest coach of all-time says lockout seasons deserve an asteriskEvery team starts out the same and has an equal chance to win a championship, therefore your argument is not valid. If the Lakers won you wouldn't be putting an asterisk next to it. Guaranteed.

A championship is a championship no matter how many games there are.

[BlueandGold]

The 70s warriors with Rick Barry as MVP wasn't exactly the best team, I believe that finals was played right before or after the ABA merger so it somehow diluted the field a bit.

With that said every champion team is still a champion and the best fielded NBA team of that season.

[jongib369]

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[ILLsmak]

LIL KIDS IN HERE BONIN OUT WHILE GROWN MEN ARE TRYIN TO DISCUSS BALL.

-Smak

[1987_Lakers]

1975 Warriors
1978 Bullets
2006 Heat

[longhornfan1234]

07 Spurs.

[ILLsmak]

I own all of you:

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still don't see why 06 heat is a bad team.

-Smak

[Owl]

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[TheBigVeto]

2009 and 2010 Lakers are the weakest.

[Mike Rice]

Too many to list, but I am going with the 2006 Miami Heat. Dwyane Wade and the refs. Boring.

[DaSeba5]

Everyone dislikes the Heat so I can't tell who is giving a fair opinion or not.

Also, for the people who were saying the east was easy last year, what the hell were you watching? The Pacers gave the Heat everything they had, and Boston took them to 7 games. LeBron had to put up legendary numbers to beat both teams. Easy my ass.

[RIP CITY]

So it's Lauren Holly, probably now best known as the female director in NCIS.

Clearly more known for Dumb & Dumber man, come on!! Step your game up, lol....

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[TheWINdyCity]

Everyone dislikes the Heat so I can't tell who is giving a fair opinion or not.

Also, for the people who were saying the east was easy last year, what the hell were you watching? The Pacers gave the Heat everything they had, and Boston took them to 7 games. LeBron had to put up legendary numbers to beat both teams. Easy my ass.

I think that the fact that Indiana taking them to six and Boston taking them to seven games is the reason why people are saying that they're one of the worst championship teams. Although I don't Agree with them being the worst.

[DaSeba5]

I think that the fact that both Indiana and Boston taking them to seven games is the reason why people are saying that they're one of the worst championship teams. Although I don't Agree with them being the worst.

Well Indy took them to 6 and they were without Bosh, but that doesn't make sense. First people say Boston was great and has improved this year, and could potentially beat Miami this year. Now they were an ok team that Miami should have beaten easily. :confusedshrug:

We go from worst title team to stacked in every thread. People can't make up their minds.

[ihoopallday]

Remember everyone saying the real finals was the OKC vs. SA series. Damn, it just makes Miami's 4-1 win that much better.

[DirtySanchez]

2006 Heat

[Freedom Kid7]

Well Indy took them to 6 and they were without Bosh, but that doesn't make sense. First people say Boston was great and has improved this year, and could potentially beat Miami this year. Now they were an ok team that Miami should have beaten easily. :confusedshrug:

We go from worst title team to stacked in every thread. People can't make up their minds.
Anti-Heat people gonna be Anti-Heat. I don't like the Heat, but they earned their championship. Did I think certain games were reffed poorly? Sure. Game 2 against Boston had that one call that changed it all. Game 4 against Boston might have been Joey Crawford's magnum opus in terms of terrible reffing (it did go both ways, Miami may have gotten the worst of it due to Lebron's 6th foul, and of course the Durant foul, but OKC deserved to lose that game regardless). However, ticky tacky reffing will always happen no matter what. If you want to go to terrible reffing, look at the 2002 WCF game 6 (I am inclined that the series as a whole was rigged and both teams are forever shameful :coleman: ). The 2006 Miami Dallas series had ref help without a doubt (Game 5 might have been the most ridiculous, but I can't help but feel that the last call really could have gone either way and it was the ultimate factor of who won that series, but even beyond that Wade still had certain help).

However, that Heat team that won was good and in no way the worst. They figured out their chemistry, LeBron came and conquered, etc. Now regarding the topic:

-As I said earlier, that 1978 Washington Team was awful. Poor chemistry, poor alpha dog man, poor competition, poor record... They were just :biggums:

-The 1975 Warriors had a decent alpha dog, but the talent at that time (including them) was incredibly awful. Barry was good but that was it really.

[LT Ice Cream]

2000 Lakers

[fpliii]

79 Sonics

[jlauber]

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So it's Lauren Holly, probably now best known as the female director in NCIS.

And so to the basketball
Assuming we're not bitter, anti-LeBron/Heat nonsense spouters (curious that those who would argue that it somehow doesn't count because it was a lockout wouldn't pick the Spurs in a shorter, and I think maybe more congested, season) the answer isn't easy.

The ones that come to mind first are the 48-34 '75 Warriors and the 44-38 '78 Bullets. The Wizard's SRS sugests they were very slightly worse than their record (they should have finished 43-39 and even that factors in their being in the weaker conference). They could argue that the league was tougher (more concentrated talent) post-merger, and given how well they played the next regular season, perhaps that their mediocre regular season that year was unrepresentative of their quality. The Warriors could have expected to 50 games based on their SRS and their quality of oposition (however that would have been a tad flattering as the West was weak that year). Those who would argue the Warriors were the worst could point the ABA diluting the level of competition. Like the Bullets, the Warriors were significantly better in the next regular season.
You might consider the '95 Rockets if just looking at the teams regular season performance but that would be ignoring the significant effect of injuries.
But that's just speaking for the 82 game regular season era.
In Kyle Wright's the NBA from Top to Bottom his POST formula (very similar to SRS) suggests that the St Louis Hawks were the worst (or least dominant - that is, the lowest distance above average) champs. Their 41-31 record projects to 47-35 over an 82 game season, not great but better than the Bullets' record. But that might have oversold how good they were. Their points diff suggests they should only have gone 39-33 (which projects as 44-38 over 82 games though the win total is rounded down and losses up). But the reason they finish bottom of the pile is that that their adequate points differential was created on an easy schedule. The Hawks were the only team in the West with a winning record that year with the other 3 teams in the conference possessing the (8 team) league's 3 worst records (despite playing each other more often than they played teams from the other conference).

Furthermore (and this isn't factored into Wright's calculations) whilst the Hawks beat the Celtics 4-2 in the finals, they did so 1) Only with the good fortune of Russell being injured and 2) in spite of being outscored over the series. The Hawks won by margins of 2,3,2 and 1 but lost by 24 and 11 so the Hawks were actually 27 points down over the series.

It seems odd to say that a team with Pettit and Hagan (and to a lesser degree Ed Macauley) were the worst champs, but it's conceivable.

Wright's bottom 5 champs are
1) '58 Hawks
2) '78 Bullets
3) '55 Syracuse Nationals (a safe alternative, early era pick if you want to say the competition got tougher for the Hawks title year, by when Bill Russell and Maurice Stokes were in the NBA)
4) '76 Celtics
5) '95 Rockets
If you look for it on Amazon you can preview some of the tables of the most and least dominant champs (and non-champs).

You are too smart for this forum.

:bowdown:

[riseagainst]

2006 and 2012 Heat are the weakest.

:applause:

[Optimus Prime]

1999 Spurs and 2012 Heat. Asterisk City baby.

:kobe:

[JellyBean]

We can all argue about the best championship squad (showtime, 1996 Bulls, 1986 Celtics, etc.), but which team won the championship that just makes you think 'how, they're a terrible team?'

I'd say some of those squads that won in the 70s were pretty bad. The Washington team that won in 78 was pretty mediocre.


Spot on with the '78 Washington Bullets. For me there are only three teams that I can think of that made go "How they won. They were terrible."
1977 Portland Trailblazers. The 1978 Washington Bullets. We gave them that title and took it back the next year. And that 2004 Detroit Pistons squad. The Lakers had four future Hall of Famers and let the Pistons win it all. But with that being said, those teams that I just mentioned played together and had a nice chemistry going on. But on paper! The '77 Sixers should have closed out the Blazers and took the title to Philly. Same with my Sonics. We just gave it away. The Lakers (2004)....they gave it away.

[DaHeezy]

Saying worst championship team is like saying poorest billionaire.

OP, how can you call a championship team mediocre?

[Freedom Kid7]

Saying worst championship team is like saying poorest billionaire.

OP, how can you call a championship team mediocre?
After seeing the discussion of 'Hakeem's teams weren't that good' and 'Duncan had little help in 03', I thought it would be a fun discussion.

[Rubio2Gasol]

1951 Rochestar Royals.

[PJR]

Saying worst championship team is like saying poorest billionaire.

OP, how can you call a championship team mediocre?

This. It's a stupid discussion altogether.

[guy]

06 Heat. I'm pretty sure Shaq said something along the lines of they used to party every single night. They only won 52 games in a very weak East Conference. There's no way they beat any other championship team of the last 32 years with that type of work ethic.

[funnystuff]

u forgot 2006 Heat too. And actually come to think of it, Celtics got robbed this year. Should've ended 4-1.
You're a Kobe fan defending a Celtics team. This is the easiest way to tell you aren't a true Lakers fan and feel insecure about Brons first ring.

[FireDavidKahn]

Saying worst championship team is like saying poorest billionaire.

OP, how can you call a championship team mediocre?
What's the problem with that?