The Dark Knight Trilogy

[Raz]

I watched the 3rd film last night, holy crap it was good. I don't know what others have been smoking, that was an excellent movie. Bane was a scary ass dude, he seemed undefeatable. The movie had a perfect ending as well.

Forget Star Wars
**** Harry Potter
Lord of the Rings, meh

These 3 movies made an amazing trilogy. It's very clear there will be more, but Nolan will just be an exec producer.

The cast were amazing, even the cheesy Selina Kyle character.

[Myth]

This couldn't have gone in the TDKR thread?

And no, there won't be more. A reboot is already planned for 2016 that is not going to be part of the same series.

[Swaggin916]

this "Trilogy" is nowhere near the first Star Wars or Lord of the Rings IMO.

But it would have been had TDKR had not of been a pile of poop (IMO). Batman Begins and TDK are right there though and I would say TDK as a stand alone is probably the best movie out of them all. The Fellowship of the Ring though... damn that's near impossible to beat.

[Raz]

This couldn't have gone in the TDKR thread?

And no, there won't be more. A reboot is already planned for 2016 that is not going to be part of the same series.

No - because I'm an attention whore.

Who says that? I can totally see them adding on to this series.

[wang4three]

The third one was good, but I felt the ending was rushed. Also a lot of things didn't make sense as the story was rather scattered. It was entertaining, I liked it, but I don't think it was near TDK.

[Myth]

No - because I'm an attention whore.

Who says that? I can totally see them adding on to this series.

:lol Fair enough.

http://pinkisthenewblog.com/2012-08-04/is-warner-bros-planning-a-batman-reboot-film-for-2016

I also remember reading in the past that part of the agreement for Nolan to consult on the Batman reboot is that the studios leave his trilogy alone and don't build on it.

[Meticode]

Personally The Dark Knight Trilogy is my favorite trilogy I've watched ever. I like Star Wars, but never got into it hardcore. It's just comes down to personal tastes.

I was okay with the ending.

I'm looking forward to see what Synder and Nolan do with Superman with Man of Steel. The treaser trailer gave me slight goosebumps.

[Myth]

Personally The Dark Knight Trilogy is my favorite trilogy I've watched ever. I like Star Wars, but never got into it hardcore. It's just comes down to personal tastes.

I was okay with the ending.

Dark Knight Trilogy is definitely my favorite where there are only 3 movies. But Dark Knight and the first 3 Alien movies are close for me if only looking at the first 3 in any series.

If I had to rank the individual movies:
Aliens
Dark Knight
Alien
Batman Begins
Dark Knight Rises
Alien 3

[Raz]

:lol Fair enough.

http://pinkisthenewblog.com/2012-08-04/is-warner-bros-planning-a-batman-reboot-film-for-2016

I also remember reading in the past that part of the agreement for Nolan to consult on the Batman reboot is that the studios leave his trilogy alone and don't build on it.


I hope they don't make a Justice League movie. It will be shit. The Justice League is terrible - Batman is best working alone, and so is Superman. Why would Superman need to work with anyone. Wanting a Justice League movie to come out is akin to rooting for the Miami Heat, but worse.

I will not watch this movie if they attempt to make it. The Nolan series would be much better, Gordon-Lovitt as Batman, but he starts killing people, unlike Bruce Wayne. Bruce would have to come back, it could be awesome. The y couldn't have the Joker, but they could have the Penguin, Riddler, and Poison Ivy. Heck, they could even re-launch Bane (who says he's dead).

[Raz]

this "Trilogy" is nowhere near the first Star Wars or Lord of the Rings IMO.

But it would have been had TDKR had not of been a pile of poop (IMO). Batman Begins and TDK are right there though and I would say TDK as a stand alone is probably the best movie out of them all. The Fellowship of the Ring though... damn that's near impossible to beat.

Coming from the guy that dresses like one of the psychos from Columbine. Your opinion isn't worth a dime.
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[D-Rose]

It's unfortunate that they'll be rebooting the series soon....I'd just make JGL batman and carry on from the end of TDKR to at least have some continuity and familiarity. Man of Steel does look good though.

[Raz]

It's unfortunate that they'll be rebooting the series soon....I'd just make JGL batman and carry on from the end of TDKR to at least have some continuity and familiarity. Man of Steel does look good though.

I agree. All these remakes drive me nuts. Will not watch Spiderman.

[Meticode]

Coming from the guy that dresses like one of the psychos from Columbine. Your opinion isn't worth a dime.
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Don't attack him because he didn't like the movie. :no: Not mature at all.

[Raz]

Don't attack him because he didn't like the movie. :no: Not mature at all.

Pfft, movie was amazing. It was wrapped up a little too quickly, but hey, it was already like 2h20m long.

For me I would rank them like this:
1. Dark Knight
2. Dark Knight Rises (best acting job by Bale out of the 3)
3. Batman Begins

[JohnnySic]

Bale's pro wrestling voice as Batman brings it down a notch...

[Myth]

I agree. All these remakes drive me nuts. Will not watch Spiderman.

Remakes in comic book movies don't bother me as much because comics themselves are rebooted all the time. However, I don't want to see origins remade over and over, which is something the new Spiderman movie does. The second half of the new Spiderman was pretty good once it got into a new story and not just a rehash of what we have already seen.

[Raz]

Remakes in comic book movies don't bother me as much because comics themselves are rebooted all the time. However, I don't want to see origins remade over and over, which is something the new Spiderman movie does. The second half of the new Spiderman was pretty good once it got into a new story and not just a rehash of what we have already seen.

I couldn't believe they remade it so quickly, it's such a slap in the face to all the people that worked on those first 3 Spiderman movies.

[JohnnySic]

A reboot is already planned for 2016
LOL. Squeeze the cash cow,

[Meticode]

I feel most people are turned off from watching The Amazing Spiderman because it's too soon. At least with Batman Begins they gave it almost a decade between the last Batman movie. When previews for The Amazing Spiderman came out most ignorant people were like, "Where is Toby Maguire?" thinking it was part of the previous trilogies.

[JohnnySic]

At least 20 years should pass before you even think about making a remake. Let the landscape change, the culture to evolve, technology to advance. The story becomes new, yet familiar. Otherwise, what's the point (aside from making money)?

[embersyc]

I feel most people are turned off from watching The Amazing Spiderman because it's too soon. At least with Batman Begins they gave it almost a decade between the last Batman movie. When previews for The Amazing Spiderman came out most ignorant people were like, "Where is Toby Maguire?" thinking it was part of the previous trilogies.


Not only was it too soon, but the movie isn't good.

With Batman Begins you have a movie that is vastly superior to the last Batman movie and potentially the entire Batman franchise to that point.

I would say Amazing Spiderman was only marginally better than Spiderman 3, which was a horrible movie and ruined Sam Raimi's entire trilogy. However Spiderman and Spiderman 2 are both easily better films than Amazing Spiderman.

[Raz]

I feel most people are turned off from watching The Amazing Spiderman because it's too soon. At least with Batman Begins they gave it almost a decade between the last Batman movie. When previews for The Amazing Spiderman came out most ignorant people were like, "Where is Toby Maguire?" thinking it was part of the previous trilogies.

I agree. The Spiderman and Superman films make me mad. The only redeeming feature for Superman is that Nolan is involved, so it will probably be good. I like his gritty style.

I would really like to point out again how well Bale acted in DKR. Bane also did well acting with his eyes. He was able to show lunacy with his eyes, very calculated looks.

[Raz]

Not only was it too soon, but the movie isn't good.

With Batman Begins you have a movie that is vastly superior to the last Batman movie and potentially the entire Batman franchise to that point.


I was worried that Batman Begins wouldn't be able to match up with Batman or Batman Returns, it blew them both out of the water, and they were good films in their time.

[DonDadda59]

we have a new dark knight thread? Whatever.

They should just continue nolan's story/universe. There's no need for another pointless reboot and they spent so much time and effort into building the backstory and arc of 'robin'. The reason that begins was necessary was that schumacher had botched the franchise so badly that the only solution was to throw a grenade in that sumbich and start from scratch.

But people overwhelmingly approved of nolan's vision and they made piles of cash. Why fix something that ain't broke, especially since wayne is alive and well, chilling with his new girlfriend. You could even take some elements from the comics and do batman incorporated mixed with the prodigal son storyline. 'robin' takes on the mantle and the audience is informed that wayne is travelling the globe setting up his own league of shadows like syndicate (obviously to help people not to kill them off) then at the end have the big climax be him returning to gotham. Nice way to continue the bat franchise and also possibly set up a nightwing storyline for jgl.

But no... Let's see batman begins redux for no reason.

[Meticode]

I agree. The Spiderman and Superman films make me mad. The only redeeming feature for Superman is that Nolan is involved, so it will probably be good. I like his gritty style.

I would really like to point out again how well Bale acted in DKR. Bane also did well acting with his eyes. He was able to show lunacy with his eyes, very calculated looks.
I don't even count Superman Returns as a movie. While I was interesting to see how they would possibly portray Superman through CGI and newer filming, I don't even pay attention to it. I never was really a fan of the original Superman movies. So I'm looking forward to something that will do Superman justice.

[Jailblazers7]

They should definitely keep continuity with Nolan's Batman. Superhero movies are lame a lot of the time because we've all seen/heard their origin story 100 times. More interesting things can be done with the character if you don't have to reboot the origin every couple years.

[BMOGEFan]

They should definitely keep continuity with Nolan's Batman. Superhero movies are lame a lot of the time because we've all seen/heard their origin story 100 times. More interesting things can be done with the character if you don't have to reboot the origin every couple years.

If you continue with Nolan's version, you have to leave Bruce Wayne out of it.

TDKR was a very happy ending. You canot pull someone back in with that kind of ending.

[Raz]

If you continue with Nolan's version, you have to leave Bruce Wayne out of it.

TDKR was a very happy ending. You canot pull someone back in with that kind of ending.

Continuing with Robin as Batman would work.

[DonDadda59]

If you continue with Nolan's version, you have to leave Bruce Wayne out of it.

TDKR was a very happy ending. You canot pull someone back in with that kind of ending.

if wayne had died then yeah you oviously couldn't bring him back, but his final scene was him having drinks with catwoman in france...

What's he going to do for the rest of his life. Bruce wayne can't live without batman. If anything, bruce wayne is the disguise (as 'robin' pointed out). He'd just go back to being a crazy, crippled hermit.

[guy]

Continuing with Robin as Batman would work.

What doesn't make sense about that is who is going to train Robin? His background is being a cop. Would be one thing if Bruce Wayne trained him, but I don't think I could buy this average cop all of a sudden being able to kick everyone's ass at the same time all the time.

I don't think these trilogies should really be compared. The Dark Knight were all largely independent each other with only a few storylines carrying over from one movie to the next. Star Wars and LOTR are like 9 hour movies broken into 3.

[Raz]

What doesn't make sense about that is who is going to train Robin? His background is being a cop. Would be one thing if Bruce Wayne trained him, but I don't think I could buy this average cop all of a sudden being able to kick everyone's ass at the same time all the time.

I don't think these trilogies should really be compared. The Dark Knight were all largely independent each other with only a few storylines carrying over from one movie to the next. Star Wars and LOTR are like 9 hour movies broken into 3.

Bruce would train him for sure. Robin starts killing bad guys, Batman comes back, and they become Batman and Robin.

[Jailblazers7]

If you continue with Nolan's version, you have to leave Bruce Wayne out of it.

TDKR was a very happy ending. You canot pull someone back in with that kind of ending.

Still haven't seen TDKR yet so I can't comment on that.

[kobron23]

godfather trilogy > all trilogy

[KDTrey5]

havent seen the 3rd

[Raz]

Still haven't seen TDKR yet so I can't comment on that.


havent seen the 3rd

Sorry guys.

Get back to me once you see it. Just don't go in with Dark Knight expectations, judge it for a film in itself. Amazing work, intense fight scenes.

[matt1016]

I reviewed the film with a cartoon that I drew in the other thread. I won't be obnoxious and repost - go here to see it:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238931&page=63

[dunksby]

Wayne can definitely come back, you think Catwoman is gonna play housewife the rest of her life and Batman didn't save the city to leave it up for grab.

[Undisputed]

Pfft, movie was amazing. It was wrapped up a little too quickly, but hey, it was already like 2h20m long.
I thought it was wrapped up just fine. It was 2h45m, anything more would have made the movie drag out way longer than necessary. I thought it was the rare great movies that did things perfectly.

[Joshumitsu]

The film had something like 20-30 minutes of footage edited out.

Hopefully, the extended cut is released. TDKR did feel slightly disjointed so maybe the extra footage would help.

[Rose]

The film had something like 20-30 minutes of footage edited out.

Hopefully, the extended cut is released. TDKR did feel slightly disjointed so maybe the extra footage would help.
I'm eager to see the footage of young Bane, and the mask he used then.

[Myth]

The film had something like 20-30 minutes of footage edited out.

Hopefully, the extended cut is released. TDKR did feel slightly disjointed so maybe the extra footage would help.

I read an interview with Nolan and it sounds like he has no plans to release an extended version of the movie. In the same interview, he made it sound like there wasn't that much deleted scenes. He stated that most of the editing came in the writing room before the scenes were even shot.

[BMOGEFan]

The film had something like 20-30 minutes of footage edited out.

Hopefully, the extended cut is released. TDKR did feel slightly disjointed so maybe the extra footage would help.

The film needed to add another 15-20 minutes tbh. They need to connect the part regarding the bane and the mobster and bane and catwoman.

[DonDadda59]

I'm eager to see the footage of young Bane, and the mask he used then.

The more I read about some of the deleted scenes and behind the scenes stuff, the more it seems like Nolan edited the original story to squeeze Cotillard in last minute. She was pregnant for most of the production cycle and Nolan waited for her to give birth and then filmed her segments at the end. Movie would've been better without her character IMO, completely unnecessary and detracted from Bane. Would've been great to see this:


Bane Deleted Scene Details Surface

The Dark Knight Rises deleted scene explains Bane's backstory. Costume designer Lindy Hemming reveals what we missed.

Clocking in at a whopping 164 minutes, The Dark Knight Rises is already a mammoth example of storytelling, but even despite its epic running time, there were a still a few key sequences that ended up on the cutting room floor.

Costume designer Lindy Hemming has been talking about one of those scenes, in which Bane's backstory was fleshed out a little, including details surrounding just how Bane came to require that mask.

"The thing that you should have seen during that sequence is [Bane] being injured in his youth," says Hemming. "So one of the fundamental things about his costume is that he has this scar from the back injury. Even if he hasn’t got the bulletproof vest on, he still has to wear the waist belt and the braces."

"In that [deleted] scene in the prison, where he’s learning to fight the same way Batman learned to fight, he’s wearing an early version of his waist belt. There’s a whole early section for Tom Hardy where he’s fighting and being taunted by people. He’s got chains on him, and he’s standing on a wooden thing while people are attacking him. And in that scene, he’s wearing a much more ragged, primitive version of the mask."

And there we were thinking we couldn't wring any more excitement out of The Dark Knight Rises. Hopefully, said scene will be included on the DVD package, giving us even more of an insight into what put Bane on the road to becoming "Gotham's reckoning".

http://www.mania.com/bane-deleted-scene-details-surface_article_133824.html

But we needed that M. Night 'twist' instead though :rolleyes:

[Legend of Josh]

I really loved Batman Begins and from the countless reviews I've read Batamn Begins is BY FAR the runt of the little... but I just don't see how. Not "by far" anyhow. That movie was wank material.

[DonDadda59]

I really loved Batman Begins and from the countless reviews I've read Batamn Begins is BY FAR the runt of the little... but I just don't see how. Not "by far" anyhow. That movie was wank material.

For me it goes:

TDK

Rises
Begins

But I can easily see why anyone would rank Begins over Rises. It was definitely a much tighter film and they both had the same basic storyline.

[embersyc]

I read an interview with Nolan and it sounds like he has no plans to release an extended version of the movie. In the same interview, he made it sound like there wasn't that much deleted scenes. He stated that most of the editing came in the writing room before the scenes were even shot.

I read that as well. This other article seems to contradict it.

[Myth]

For me it goes:

TDK

Rises
Begins

But I can easily see why anyone would rank Begins over Rises. It was definitely a much tighter film and they both had the same basic storyline.

Yeah, mine is:

TDK

Begins
Rises

[Meticode]

I really loved Batman Begins and from the countless reviews I've read Batamn Begins is BY FAR the runt of the little... but I just don't see how. Not "by far" anyhow. That movie was wank material.
If I had to post a 0.5 rating for me personally...

The Dark Knight 9.5/10.0
The Dark Knight Rises 9.0/10.0
Batman Begins 8.5/10.0

[Legend of Josh]

For me it goes:

TDK

Rises
Begins

But I can easily see why anyone would rank Begins over Rises. It was definitely a much tighter film and they both had the same basic storyline.

I guess and more in-depth of how it "all came to be" for me was what really set the tone for it all. It put a new perspective and understanding to the whole Batman persona and the magnitude of just how massive the "Wayne Family" was to the the city of Gotham. Never before did it seem the Wayne family was that important in all of the Batman franchise.

[Clippersfan86]

Just re-watched the ending again and it brought back the same exact feelings and made me tear up a bit just like it did in theaters. One of the greatest movie trilogies of all time, right up there with LOTR and Star Wars (before 1-3 were made) no doubt. Man such fu**ing good movies. Wish I had a better job then so I could have seen it multiple times in theaters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYDlRUnTL9g

[Qwyjibo]

Does anyone else think the ending might've been a bit better if the last shot was just Alfred looking up with that slight hint of satisfaction but never actually seeing Bruce? I dunno, sometimes an ambiguous ending makes for more of an emotional impact. I didn't need absolute confirmation that Bruce was still alive.

Fantastic series though. I'm holding out for the supposed "Collector's" edition Blu-ray trilogy that will come out next year.

[Clippersfan86]

Does anyone else think the ending might've been a bit better if the last shot was just Alfred looking up with that slight hint of satisfaction but never actually seeing Bruce? I dunno, sometimes an ambiguous ending makes for more of an emotional impact. I didn't need absolute confirmation that Bruce was still alive.

Fantastic series though. I'm holding out for the supposed "Collector's" edition Blu-ray trilogy that will come out next year.

I'm holding out for Man of Steel. Nolan about to revive another Superhero movie franchise :bowdown: .

[DonDadda59]

Does anyone else think the ending might've been a bit better if the last shot was just Alfred looking up with that slight hint of satisfaction but never actually seeing Bruce? I dunno, sometimes an ambiguous ending makes for more of an emotional impact. I didn't need absolute confirmation that Bruce was still alive.

Fantastic series though. I'm holding out for the supposed "Collector's" edition Blu-ray trilogy that will come out next year.

Yup, a lot of people said the same thing in that massive TDKR thread that was here around the time the movie came out. The ending of Rises seemed forced and a cop out by Nolan IMO.

[johndeeregreen]

Rises was a good enough movie and all, but the whole premise of Batman, the Joker, a guy who wears Darth Vader breathing apparatus and can punch through cement pillars... like SMFH. Trying SO hard to be serious and then having Batman talk like that along with everything else... like I said, good enough movies, I enjoyed them, but I laugh my ass off at Christoper Nolan trying to make people take them as a serious piece of drama.

[Stuckey]

As a comic book flick it's almost flawless
If you have realistic perceptions on the dynamics and nature of the story , you will find it silly

[johndeeregreen]

As a comic book flick it's almost flawless
If you have realistic perceptions on the dynamics and nature of the story , you will find it silly
Right, I definitely can (and did) enjoy them for what they are. But I'm not the one trying to make it a serious drama piece; the director is. And you're right, it's silly.

[SilkyJohnson]

Rises was a good enough movie and all, but the whole premise of Batman, the Joker, a guy who wears Darth Vader breathing apparatus and can punch through cement pillars... like SMFH. Trying SO hard to be serious and then having Batman talk like that along with everything else... like I said, good enough movies, I enjoyed them, but I laugh my ass off at Christoper Nolan trying to make people take them as a serious piece of drama.

Superhero films based on comic books tend to be unrealistic. For example, The Avengers had a massive green man and I've yet to see one in real life. I think Nolan should have made it slightly more cartoonish instead of opting for the crime/drama/action/thriller mood he eventually settled for. For example, if Selina Kyle had a tail attached to her costume/outfit, it would have been far easier for me to acknowledge her as a highly flexible thief come Catwoman.

[johndeeregreen]

Superhero films based on comic books tend to be unrealistic. For example, The Avengers had a massive green man and I've yet to see one in real life. I think Nolan should have made it slightly more cartoonish instead of opting for the crime/drama/action/thriller mood he eventually settled for. For example, if Selina Kyle had a tail attached to her costume/outfit, it would have been far easier for me to acknowledge her as a highly flexible thief come Catwoman.
I'm aware that they're unrealistic. I'm not the one walking into Batman films expecting to take them seriously. Christopher Nolan is the one trying to force down our throats that these are serious dramatic pieces, and that's laughable to me. You're making a f*cking Batman movie, enough with trying to make us believe this shit is real-life.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Now onto Superman.

Nolan's movement away from the traditional superhero Movie, toward action suspense, is going to be the catalyst for a new type of superhero film that will be popular for a long time.

[LA Lakers]

Ill still take the 2 Tim Burton/Michael Keaton Batmans over Nolan/Bale Batmans

[MK2V1GP]

Ill still take the 2 Tim Burton/Michael Keaton Batmans over Nolan/Bale Batmans

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[bootsy]

Ill still take the 2 Tim Burton/Michael Keaton Batmans over Nolan/Bale Batmans
You go right ahead and take them and shove them up your ass as well. No one in their right mind is taking the garbage especially the 2nd one over any of Nolan's Batman's.

[Meticode]

Now onto Superman.

Nolan's movement away from the traditional superhero Movie, toward action suspense, is going to be the catalyst for a new type of superhero film that will be popular for a long time.
I cannot wait. The teaser trailer gave me goosebumps.

[Meticode]

Does anyone else think the ending might've been a bit better if the last shot was just Alfred looking up with that slight hint of satisfaction but never actually seeing Bruce? I dunno, sometimes an ambiguous ending makes for more of an emotional impact. I didn't need absolute confirmation that Bruce was still alive.

Fantastic series though. I'm holding out for the supposed "Collector's" edition Blu-ray trilogy that will come out next year.
I would've liked that more yes.

[Mamba]

I would've liked that more yes.
yeh but that's too nolan predictable, especially after inception people would've lost their shit if Nolan had done it to them again. i liked the ending, because it close's off bruce waynes story, and if someone wants to come along and do a story on Robin's they're able to.

Remember there's a new Bat-lantern for Commissioner Gordon to use, Robin is given the co-ordinates to the batcave and access to all equipment, so closing off Bruce's story was the best option to allow Robin to have his own (if there ever is one)

Also if there is a deleted scene about banes mask i'll jizz everywhere.

[Meticode]

yeh but that's too nolan predictable, especially after inception people would've lost their shit if Nolan had done it to them again. i liked the ending, because it close's off bruce waynes story, and if someone wants to come along and do a story on Robin's they're able to.

Remember there's a new Bat-lantern for Commissioner Gordon to use, Robin is given the co-ordinates to the batcave and access to all equipment, so closing off Bruce's story was the best option to allow Robin to have his own (if there ever is one)

Also if there is a deleted scene about banes mask i'll jizz everywhere.
I can't get into movies to that extent. A 720p blu-ray rip with DTS sound on my hard-drive hooked up to my blu-ray player is all I need. I'm just glad I have the trilogy to watch whenever I want.

[paperstreet]

As much as I loved the Dark Knight, Rises was a bit of a let down. It was still pretty well done (albeit with some annoying plot holes), and it does close off Wayne's story.

But... after TDK, it was set up wonderfully to be open to the Batman mythos. While still on the run from the cops, he could encounter riddler, penguin, hush, azrael, hugo strange, harley quinn,... joker again. It doesn't seem like a Batman thing to have him just disappear for 8 years.
And I know Nolan is supposed to be grounded in reality, but having Bruce become a hermit and quit being batman isn't the batman story i know.

[LA Lakers]

You go right ahead and take them and shove them up your ass as well. No one in their right mind is taking the garbage especially the 2nd one over any of Nolan's Batman's.
Damn. Very sensitive are we? Just an opinion man. Sorry, De Vitos take on Penguin and Michelle Pfeffier as Selena Kyle/Catwoman were transcendant. Im a Batman/Spawn guy. I just liked Burtons interpretation more. The Burton flicks had more atmosphere and I think Keaton was a better Batman. But honestly, you need to relax.

[The Mamba]

Damn. Very sensitive are we? Just an opinion man. Sorry, De Vitos take on Penguin and Michelle Pfeffier as Selena Kyle/Catwoman were transcendant. Im a Batman/Spawn guy. I just liked Burtons interpretation more. The Burton flicks had more atmosphere and I think Keaton was a better Batman. But honestly, you need to relax.
De Vito's Penguin was as hammy as they come. Not to mention in accurate.

Penguin isn't a freak, he's a british arms / dealer and suave business man.

Selena Kyle isn't a timid chick, who gets licked back to life by cats and goes on a man hating revenge streak. She's Catwoman because she is a cat burglar.

As with any Burton movie, it's all atmosphere and style over substance. B89 is incredible visually, thanks to Anton Furst, and Bob Ringwood's genius idea to put Batman in all black.

But the movie is just hollow. They play the character like he was in the early pulp days, but it comes across in a very 2 dimensional way. Keaton's Batman is mysterious, but I wouldn't say it is the better performance.

I also wasn't a fan of the way B89 expresses Gotham as an almost Germanic city in it's architecture. This is an American legend, and should be set in a recognizable, albeit gritty American city. That's what Gotham is in the comics. It certainly isn't that GOTH fairy tale land from Batman Returns. Nolan's city is recognizable, gritty, real ... and visibly American as it was shot in real American cities like Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York. Gives a greater sense of scale, making these films modern mythologies on a grand and epic scale.

The film has nice atmosphere but it focuses too much on Jack Nicholson's character, leaving him no mystery or threat. His motivations as Joker are stupid (he's after Wayne's girlfriend) ...

Wayne has no true identifiable character arc, they turn Joker into the killer of the Waynes (unforgivable) and essentially turns the entire thing into a revenge story. Not an eternal war on crime, but revenge.

Batman Returns is an abomination onto itself. Not only does the surface level plot suck, all it is was a circle jerk to Goth German Expressionism from Burton. Burton had no interest in doing another Batman movie, he made a Burton movie. Even before he became a parody of himself as a film maker (he is still making the same movies about social outcasts, freaks, etc) but he makes Batman a sadistic killer in this movie for no reason. No battle within his soul to not cross the line and take the easy way out in killing.

The whole movie makes little sense, and is essentially the reason we got Shumacher. The film itself is darker, but it takes itself even less seriously than B89 did ... and there is some go awful puns / dialogue in this movie.

To even insinuate these films are better than Nolan's game changing comic book film trilogy is a slap in the face to fans of quality cinema. Even if you were disappointed in RISES it was a genius conclusion to the Wayne character arc that stretched three films.

I tip my hat to B89. It set the tone for future serious comic book movies, introduced dark atmosphere and scratched the surface on psychological motivations of mythic comic book characters, laid the foundation for the modern blockbuster / studio hype machine. But the film is a hollow shell compared to what the golden age of comic book films brought to us starting in 1998 w/ David Goyer's BLADE film.

Bruce Wayne is a driven, motivated, and obsessive character ... but he isn't merely crazy the way he's depicted in the Burton films. He's a detective, super ninja who uses fear, brute force, and martial arts to make his stamp on a city and it's underworld. None of this was accurately conveyed in Burton's films.

TDK trilogy is by far and away better than any of it's predecessors, and leaps and bounds better than anything else in the genre.

Superman: TM and B89 we owe a lot too. They're basically the George Mikan / Wilt Chamberlain of the superhero movie game.

They laid the ground work for the ultimate potential final product.

[LA Lakers]

I disagree. Im not judging their interpretations based on how Bob Kane/DC might have envisioned characters as opposed to how a filmmaker like say, Tim Burton wants to present them. I really hate this trend of pumping out comic book movies I think comic books and film is a totally different medium, and if we are going to disbute every difference between a comic book movie and the actual source material wed be writing all night. With that said, from a cinematic standpoint, I still think Nolan is very clunky with action scenes(Joker abducting Dent in Dark Knight- Gotham tunnel sequence is confusing as **** and very disorienting in how it was shot). I dont feel he draws out dramatic impact enough(Alfred crying at Waynes graveside for 5 seconds and then quick switch to Gordon/Blake is a perfect example). I think Nolan has a tendency to over edit his movies... I appreciate individual performances he gets from his actors, but as a director of action, Im not sold. With that said, yes, we finally have a trilogy, and a decent one. I think Batman Begins is the best of the new films. All just my opinion, with all art, its subjective my man...

[The Mamba]

I disagree. Im not judging their interpretations based on how Bob Kane/DC might have envisioned characters as opposed to how a filmmaker like say, Tim Burton wants to present them.
Why not? They're adaptations of a source material, correct? The vision keeper making a film about Batman needs to be respectful to the creation he's bringing to life. He can only shoe in so much artistic interpretation or agenda, without stepping on something is beloved by a lot of people. It requires Batman like levels of self control and restraint. Tell the story you want to tell, but keep it faithful, and keep it Batman.

I don't care if elements are changed to fit a cinematic universe w/ REAL people and actors, or changed to make something fresh or believable as long as the core essence of the mythos be kept in tack and be respectful. Burton pissed on the story from the point of the 1988 writer's strike when they re-wrote the 3rd act of BATMAN and started twisting the vision of the character. And then in RETURNS flat out took a dump on it.


that said, from a cinematic standpoint, I still think Nolan is very clunky with action scenes(Joker abducting Dent in Dark Knight- Gotham tunnel sequence is confusing as **** and very disorienting in how it was shot).
How could you not understand what was going on? Nolan's action set pieces in TDK were utterly amazing. As was the car chase in BEGINS, and the action set pieces in RISES were equally stunning.

All practical, with little use of CGI or model effects. Gritty, 1970's era American film making. Akin to the original Star Wars, French Connection, etc. Which is amazing, and will let these films age like fine wine given their practical stunts and visual effects.


I dont feel he draws out dramatic impact enough(Alfred crying at Waynes graveside for 5 seconds and then quick switch to Gordon/Blake is a perfect example).
He makes quick cuts because his stories are massive, and has a lot of ground to cover. Nolan makes EPICS. Yet they still have these fantastic intimate character moments, like when Caine's Alfred tells Bruce he has a death wish, or the intimate convo between Bane and Wayne after he imprisoned him in the pit.

Those small issues aren't forgivable for otherwise great movies, yet you find no fault on Burton's redundant themes, style over substance, over simplification of plot / mythos, lack of stunning action sequences, filming on confined sets (losing scale) and the fact his two Batman films has, NO PLOT, NO CHARACTER ARC, no pathos for the characters we're supposed to care for in this fantastic journey of a tortured young man's death wish fighting a war on crime in a corrupt city?

:oldlol:

Not to mention Nolan's films a socially, politically relevant and comment on actual real world issues, while also being entertaining blockbusters?


I think Batman Begins is the best of the new films. All just my opinion, with all art, its subjective my man...
I know ... I'm just discussing this with you. I still don't get your reasoning for finding the two Burton films being superior to the Nolan trilogy. All you've told me is what you didn't like about Nolan's films. Which leads me to believe you recognize they're better, but being contrarian for the sake of their popularity.

You're not expressing passionate reasoning or love for films you feel are superior. I'm giving you POSITIVES why Nolan's films are better, you're just giving me subjective quirks with a director.

TDK - 5/5
Rises - 4.5 / 5
Begins - 4/5

How are the Nolan film's NOT atmospheric, btw?

BEGINS gives you the dirty corrupt Gotham, before Batman makes his impact. Just like Burton's Gotham except less cartoony, less German architecture, grittier, more functional, on a real American City scale, and not just looped on the same set build. You've got the narrows ghetto near Arkham, a nod to the real life slums of Kowloon giving rich Blade Runner esque visuals and the grungy rusted orange hue to the film.

TDK gives you a now clean, streamlined Gotham thanks to Batman's impact cleaning up the streets, but it wreaks with atmosphere of cold modernist blue hues, contemporary American buildings ... with a growing threat of the Joker threatening to tear the serenity of it all down. The Joker's rotted, grunge, anarchist, punk street look is juxtaposed to the now cleanliness of Gotham City. Oh, CAN'T FORGET those creepy 3 AM shots of Gotham, burning fire trucks (Joker humor) ... and that HAUNTING visual of the Joker hanging his head out a cop car like a mad dog, which was beyond creepy. The entire film is the best post 9/11 War on Terror allegory seen on film, since the dawn of the age of domestic terrorism in 2001.

RISES gives you a dystopian, disaster / war film. A ghost town Gotham City, with rubble everywhere, and the film echoes death with it's black / white / grey hues. It also in it's set design shows the passage of time, given the 8 year time differences, showing a slightly more futuristic Gotham. Or at least nods to it. Whoever thought we'd see a serious Batman, and a serious Batman movie have the balls to bring the dracula-esque character into the early Gotham dawn and still make him intimidating?

Each one of these films pushed the genre and Batman on screen, while being respectful to the mythos, yet adapting it / making fresh to fit the real world they were applying it to ... and in the process made a beloved modern mythology, on a scale the character always deserved. Think about it.

From laughing stock (Batman and Robin) to legend (TDK trilogy) and :oldlol: @ Nolan's films not having atmosphere.

[The Mamba]

And I know Nolan is supposed to be grounded in reality, but having Bruce become a hermit and quit being batman isn't the batman story i know.
Then you don't know the character ... AT ALL.

The most beloved and acclaimed Batman story of ALL - TIME, TDK Returns? Which this film TDK Rises is based on ...

He was retired for 10 years. 2 years longer than he was in RISES. :oldlol:

And he didn't QUIT being Batman. God, people just don't get this film at all, or they didn't pay close enough attention.

Bruce is retired out of circumstance.

A) It gives weight to the selfless act of Batman at the end of TDK, allows Dent to be the public hero, Batman the hated villain

B) Crime is WIPED OUT in Gotham thanks to the "Dent Act" which was public policy created due to Batman's sacrifice.

ex: John Blake "soon you'll have us chasing down over due library books"

Gotham on the surface for 8 years, even if based on a manipulative lie is in a good place. It's clean. No mob. Police force isn't corrupt anymore, so now they can do their job and pursue basic street crime.

Thus making the Batman NOT NEEDED, as it's stated in the film at various points through dialogue.

Gordon "We were in this together, and then you were gone."
Bruce Wayne "The Batman wasn't needed anymore, WE WON."
Gordon "Based on a lie"

C) One of the major points of TDK, and one of the longest running themes in the Batman comics is that Batman's presence in Gotham is equally negative as it is positive. He saves all these people, but his image and presence attracts crazies (copy cats, freak / theatrical villains) ... with Batman no longer in Gotham, it doesn't attract the insane copy cats or opposition.

D) Bruce WANTS to be the Batman. He has nothing to do, no chance for a life (so he assumes) w/o Rachel, as Alfred says to him

"You were just waiting for things to go bad again"

And he was. That's why he jumps at the chance to be Batman after he hears of the masked mercenary brought to Gotham by Dagget. That's why he gets excited for Fox's new toys at Wayne Enterprises.

All these two characters we love from the first two films: Wayne, Gordon are stuck at the start of this film. They get re-invigorated by the young or new characters of Selina Kyle, John Blake, and Bane.

[clipse026]

Just a heads up, this Bluray trilogy is $30 on Amazon. 43% off. The Dark Knight Rises alone is $25 on Bluray.

[TheFan]

what i did not like:

1 - Bane death... the way he died... we spent the whole movie hyping Bane as the most evil thing on the earth... then in less that 5 minutes we realize he is not the brains behind his own operation and Catwoman jumps in a kills him...

Thats the only thing i hated about the whole trilogy.... everything else would be just over picking.

Favorite parts:

1 - Training part/becoming batman thing in Batman begins... Absolutely loved it.

2 - Escape from middle east prison... "im not meant to die here... here... there... whats the difference..."

3 - The villains, all of them... Ras al ghul was superb, Joker out of this world and Bane was amazing until the... see above.

4 - Bane speech.

5 - Batman vs Bane first fight.

6 - Joker interrogation scene.

7 - Ras al ghul, "the training is nothing... the will is everything"

[L8k3r5]

Then you don't know the character ... AT ALL.

The most beloved and acclaimed Batman story of ALL - TIME, TDK Returns? Which this film TDK Rises is based on ...

He was retired for 10 years. 2 years longer than he was in RISES. :oldlol:

And he didn't QUIT being Batman. God, people just don't get this film at all, or they didn't pay close enough attention.

Bruce is retired out of circumstance.

A) It gives weight to the selfless act of Batman at the end of TDK, allows Dent to be the public hero, Batman the hated villain

B) Crime is WIPED OUT in Gotham thanks to the "Dent Act" which was public policy created due to Batman's sacrifice.

ex: John Blake "soon you'll have us chasing down over due library books"

Gotham on the surface for 8 years, even if based on a manipulative lie is in a good place. It's clean. No mob. Police force isn't corrupt anymore, so now they can do their job and pursue basic street crime.

Thus making the Batman NOT NEEDED, as it's stated in the film at various points through dialogue.

Gordon "We were in this together, and then you were gone."
Bruce Wayne "The Batman wasn't needed anymore, WE WON."
Gordon "Based on a lie"

C) One of the major points of TDK, and one of the longest running themes in the Batman comics is that Batman's presence in Gotham is equally negative as it is positive. He saves all these people, but his image and presence attracts crazies (copy cats, freak / theatrical villains) ... with Batman no longer in Gotham, it doesn't attract the insane copy cats or opposition.

D) Bruce WANTS to be the Batman. He has nothing to do, no chance for a life (so he assumes) w/o Rachel, as Alfred says to him

"You were just waiting for things to go bad again"

And he was. That's why he jumps at the chance to be Batman after he hears of the masked mercenary brought to Gotham by Dagget. That's why he gets excited for Fox's new toys at Wayne Enterprises.

All these two characters we love from the first two films: Wayne, Gordon are stuck at the start of this film. They get re-invigorated by the young or new characters of Selina Kyle, John Blake, and Bane.
:applause:

[Clippersfan86]

The Mamba laying down the motha fu**in law in this thread :bowdown: :applause: . Seriously spot on with everything. You take 100 people that don't like or dislike Batman and make every single one watch the Burton ones as well as the Nolan ones and I'm 100 percent sure that AT LEAST 75 percent of the people call the new ones better.

I agree the Burton ones had cool aspects this one didn't have such as more comedy... but it's really not even a comparison. This trilogy is a flat out masterpiece that will be enshrined in movie history forever. This is a movie where the last two were up for best picture. If you said that about the Burton ones you would have been laughed at.

I disagree that the Burton ones were more in line with the original plot though. I feel the Nolan ones while altered are still far more realistic as well as "traditional" to the Batman plot.

[embersyc]

what i did not like:

1 - Bane death... the way he died... we spent the whole movie hyping Bane as the most evil thing on the earth... then in less that 5 minutes we realize he is not the brains behind his own operation and Catwoman jumps in a kills him...

Thats the only thing i hated about the whole trilogy.... everything else would be just over picking.


I'd argue that the birth of Two-Face is way worse and by far the weakest plot point in the whole series. The fact that he so easily forgives the Joker for killing Rachel and throws away everything he ever stood for and becomes a crazed killer just didn't make sense in the context of the movie.

[Clippersfan86]

I hated those campy lines from older Batmans.. Especially the one with Mr. Freeze. I hated when they came crashing through the wall and the hole that they left was in the shape of the bat signal and when they knock the gun out of Mr. Freezes hand and it lands ridiculously on top of a tyrannosaurus rex's head.

Did you mean to say corny? Because Burton's Batman movies have some of the most corny lines and situations in cinema history. Almost as corny as Mario Bros movie.

[Brujesino]

I agree with alot of people about the ending being lame.Bane dying the way he did was lame.

The biggest part of the ending i hate 100% that other people dont really care about was Robin.Other people dont really seem to care about him being Robin but it really pissed me off when i watched it.**** that character he aint Robin you cant just create your own ****ing robin.

[Clippersfan86]

I meant campy but yea they are corny and I wasn't just leaving it at Burtons films all of the other ones I lump into the same category. Obviously #1 isn't as bad as what followed but it was all down hill from there.

How you liking Amazon? What do you do?

Pick mostly and pack 20 percent of the time. You man? I don't like the fact that they said "overtime opportunities" when hired but they actually meant mandatory 55-60 hours a week for a month straight for holidays :facepalm . My body is getting beat the fu** up every day man. How about you?

[Clippersfan86]

Just had my first mandatory 50 week this week (yesterday in fact). I knew it was mandatory like that though going in. I had a friend that worked there two years ago and he gave me the skinny. I'm just made that I started off with 20 hours ATO and didn't know about it until after they went black out.

I do inbound stowing.. it sucks. They give you some pretty unreasonable rates to follow given the items and space (or lack there of). I've helped out some other areas too, no sort stow and some dock work.

Nice man. Yea we didn't get a heads up at all. Also we have a 6 point system. Every 3 months you get it reset and a call off (for sick or personal) is 1.5 points... so 4 sick days per 3 months. Anymore than that = instant termination. Which sucks when you're working a 6th day and have no time to get shit done. I've already had to use two personal days.

I agree 100 percent about the rates. They give unrealistic rates for everybody. They preach safety and quality yet the people with the best rates that get praised always halfass the quality aspect, break safety rules etc. In otherwords it's impossible to meet their number requirements AND be safe+maintain quality.

[Clippersfan86]

Yea, we have the six point system too. I've used one.. just mad because had I known about ATO I would have used that instead of getting a point :lol.

Same here man, people who get the best rates just shove shit in the bins regardless of quality. The Coach will come around (he's a Jamaican) and says Ronald (sounds like Rhoanald) you busted your cart again.. and I say Sam your space is busted.. there isn't just a place where I can put 60 teapots in, I gotta move around and look. :lol

:roll: yea man it's pretty fu**ing cutthroat for sure. Yesterday for the first time (been there about 4 weeks now) I got a written notice about my rates not being up to par from the 21st-22nd. It's not an official write up but still made me laugh that they trip so hard on it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How exactly was his character ruined?

He's IMO easily the second best villain both in his arc in the story and performance of all-time.

1) Ledger's Joker (TDK)
2) Hardy's Bane (TDK Rises)

The rest ...

You seem like a HUGE Batman head. Got a question for ya: In your opinion, what made Bruce "stronger" than Bane during their final fight? They were both part of the 'League of Shadows'. Why and how was Bruce able to defeat him?

...And how do you think Bane would fair vs. Ra's Al Ghul? Same ideology, but Bane was obviously a bit more extreme (in Ra's' eyes at least).

[andgar923]

Bane has been my favorite villain (Batman) for a few years now, even before it was announced that he would be the villain for the movie. We've discussed it in here a few times but, they had everything right. He was the guy that was born in the prison. He rises out of the prison, smart, capable and a badass. I liked their interpretation of the venom serum. And then bing bang boom, they switch it and give it all to Talia?!?! Totally ruined it, then to ruin it even more they have catwoman bust in on a bat bike and just shoot him point blank with the same gun that destroyed all those cars blocking the bridge.. Just let Batman fight it out with him, maybe not kill him but he doesn't have to save him either (like with Ra's). You could have had Bane and the bomb blow up together somehow dropping over the ocean or some shit.

Yeah

[TheFan]

You seem like a HUGE Batman head. Got a question for ya: In your opinion, what made Bruce "stronger" than Bane during their final fight? They were both part of the 'League of Shadows'. Why and how was Bruce able to defeat him?

when Bruce made the jump without the rope he learned that fighting with fear makes you stronger than fighting fearless.

That knowledge made him push harder in his second fight against Bane.

[The Mamba]

A shame that they ruined his character in 60 seconds.
How exactly was his character ruined?

He's IMO easily the second best villain both in his arc in the story and performance of all-time.

1) Ledger's Joker (TDK)
2) Hardy's Bane (TDK Rises)

The rest ...


Bane dying the way he did was lame.
How was Bane dying lame? What were they supposed to do?

He already conceited defeat to the Batman "I broke you"

Batman came in there, broke his mask and then molly whopped his ass and bested him fair and square. Bane needed Talia's help to gain the upper hand again.

But Batman doesn't kill, and Bane isn't going to be someone who is caught. It made total sense that Catwoman be the one to save Batman (the point of her character arc was to show Batman made a positive impact on someone, and she's loyal ... like a cat) and blast Bane away with CANON FIRE from the bat-pod.

He took a blast from a very large canon, and took it like a champ. How is that lame? After he was defeated by Bruce, his character became pointless. Yet he still managed to have another terrific line of dialogue

"You'll just have to imagine the fire"

And then Hathaway's delivery of her line after offing Bane was super on point.


**** that character he aint Robin you cant just create your own ****ing robin.
Nah, you just didn't get it. Nolan and Bale went on record saying they didn't want Robin in these films. And he wasn't in these films. Gone is the corny 12 year old, completely un-realistic vigilante side kick who makes quips and wears elf boots in red and green.

Instead, we get a brilliant re-invention of the character that makes more sense, has more heart and ultimately a lot cooler.

And he isn't Robin. That's why you're hung up on it. His name, yes is literally Robin. Which is fan service. But he's an original character who takes the best elements of Robin's purpose from the comics and makes it more believable and nuanced. What, you thought they were going to give us Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, and Jason Todd? There has been tons of Robins in the comics.

Instead we get an amazing amalgamation of all the Robin characters, molded into a new character who serves Robin's greatest purposes:

- Inspired by the Batman
- Bring optimism in the face of cynicism
- Re-inspires Bruce Wayne
- Connects to Bruce on an orphan level
- Carries the legacy / mantle of the Batman when Wayne is done

Robin John Blake is an interesting character. He's optimistic in a cynical surrounding, he's angry and driven without being an annoying and edgy teenager / child type character. He's smart, and idealistic. He almost represents a son figure to both Wayne and Gordon. He represents the both of them at various points in their life.

He actually is supposed to be insinuated as the next Batman at the end of the film. The entire trilogy was about Wayne's goal of creating a symbol, an idea, a persona ... a legend. He found a replacement he trusted, who he connected with, leaving Gotham in good hands.

Bruce Wayne succeeded in his quest started in Batman Begins.

Legends don't die. Symbols can't be killed. They transcend one man's life. That's why Robin is left the tools if Gotham should ever need a dark knight to sink their hands into the filth to protect the city and act beyond the law. Afterall, laws, men, political officials can be bent and broken ... not always serving justice.

White knights are fine, but dark knights will always be needed at some point to protect. Only wolfs can defeat other wolfs.

Nolan's ending was a brilliant idea. He even found a way to adapt a very corny character, and make it believable and interesting. I never thought I could ever like a Robin character in the Batman mythos until Nolan gave is John Blake.

[The Mamba]

You seem like a HUGE Batman head. Got a question for ya: In your opinion, what made Bruce "stronger" than Bane during their final fight? They were both part of the 'League of Shadows'. Why and how was Bruce able to defeat him?
Bruce wasn't "stronger" per se, but the whole theme of "the fire rises" meant Bruce at the start of the film was so fear-less that he longed for death.

As Batman he wasn't in his prime in this film. He's in his 40's, and has a beaten broken body. As explained when in the pit (which is a brilliant realistic adaptation of the lazarus pit) he needed to regain that fear of losing his life. The fire rising in Bruce was to actually LIVE again. Bruce could only have a life if he sacrificed the Batman persona. Otherwise he'd always be stuck in Gotham, stuck in his obsession and depression.

When you have fear, you can produce adrenaline. Not wanting to see his city (a physical representation of his father's legacy) tortured or blown to hell in an atomic blaze, he fights harder / stronger / faster because he has the renewed sense of urgency to live life again.

Tactic wise, after his stint in the prison he knows the mask is an anesthetic that makes Bane feel no pain, thus making him invincible. So he beats the breathing device off of Bane's face.

But I don't think Bane could've won a fair fight v.s. Batman in TDK. That is him at the PEAK of his abilities.


And how do you think Bane would fair vs. Ra's Al Ghul? Same ideology, but Bane was obviously a bit more extreme (in Ra's' eyes at least).
In a pure fight? Pre mask ... Ra's. After the mask, Bane ... easily. Given the anesthetic.

As for their approach to terrorism. Ra's did his in a fashion where it wasn't as blunt. He wanted to make it seem like he would manipulate the city to killing itself through the bio fear toxin weapon. Bane tortures Gotham to punish Bruce, but his means were more militaristic. Clinical, even. Much like the way he fights.

It's interesting the difference of the LOS from Begins to Rises. In BEGINS the LOS under Ra's is a gang of ninja assassins. Under Bane, they are more militaristic. They're mercenaries. Ra's operated from the shadows, Bane was blunt like a dictator. He came at you head on like a military leader.

To the point. He wanted to just off Gotham with a neutron bomb. That's a lot more efficient and brutal if you ask me. Ra's wanted Gotham to be cleansed bu re-built. Bane wanted it to completely burn.

I think Bane being revealed to be doing it for love doesn't take away his bad ass nature. And it doesn't make him a puppet. Bane and Talia co-lead the LOS. If anything it amplifies how bad ass Bane was. People do crazy things for love / redemption. Plus, it's accurate to the source. In the comics Bane was a part of the LOS for a time, and hooked up with Talia. In the comics he's a hard ass, but has a heart. It makes him more layered and dimensional.

The only villain who should be visualized as a pure force of evil, without reason is the Joker. He's a finite character. He's there to show a mirror to society's face.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Thanks for responding, Mamba. Fantastic analysis bro.


In a fist fight?? I like Bane. If Ra's were to win it'd be because he was more cunning and used surroundings and maybe all them ninjas helping out. I don't think Ra's would have just thrown leather with Bane straight up.

Or just pushing their agendas. Either way I agree. Bane was an entirely different animal.

I remember talking to Dondadda about this. Is it now a consensus that Talia wasn't needed and totally irrelevant? Not only did she destroy Bane's character, but the vibe of the movie. Save for Levitt finding the cave and learning that Bruce is alive, I just don't see why she had to be introduced. That killed it for me.


Bane, where is the bomb?
Actually, I'm the real villain *Stab*.
Talia?
Yep! Bane, finish this guy off.
POW!
Thanks Catwoman, that was close.

:oldlol:

[TheFan]

it depends... if you are talking about Ra's from the first movie... he is old and way out of his prime... Bruce defeated him twice, when escaping the ninja lair and during the final fight in Gotham...

now if you are talking about prime Ra's Al Ghul... he is probably the greatest assassin in the Batman universe, he is only truly matched by a prime Batman...

[Smoke117]

The Dark Knight is massively overrated. When Heath ledger/the Joker isn't on the screen the movie is basically long winded and dull. He is about the only thing that brings life to the 2nd sequel. The first movie is easily the best of the Nolan movies.

[bootsy]

The Dark Knight is massively overrated. When Heath ledger/the Joker isn't on the screen the movie is basically long winded and dull. He is about the only thing that brings life to the 2nd sequel. The first movie is easily the best of the Nolan movies.
I agree with the 1st film being the best. Don't agree that TDK was massively overrated. TDK was a phenomenal experience not only because of the Joker but everything surrounding Gotham while he was terrorizing the city and also the transformation of Harvey Dent/Two Face.

[Loneshot]

Everybody already know i loved the trilogy. I wasn't too high on Ledgers joker, because it was less hilarious and more sadistic and psycho, and i grew up on the animated series. But that last movie, the way it tied everything together, was excellent. Plus the Bane vs Batman fight, the first one, that was epic. Bane is freaky.

Wouldn't care to change anything about it, minus Robin's name being Robin.

[The Mamba]

The Dark Knight is massively overrated. When Heath ledger/the Joker isn't on the screen the movie is basically long winded and dull. He is about the only thing that brings life to the 2nd sequel. The first movie is easily the best of the Nolan movies.
Talking that crazy stuff again.

What is it with you and deeming anything massively beloved and clearly superior, overrated? MJ? TDK? Overrated? Haha far from it.

BEGINS is quality, don't get me wrong. It's good, but TDK is GREAT. Like another level of cinematic greatness. Let me break it down.

On film making terms, Nolan had yet to hit his stride, and Wally Pfiester's cinematography in TDK alone trumps the visuals from Batman Begins.

Bale carries that movie. In TDK you get ELITE level performances from the entire cast. Bale, Caine, Eckhart, Oldman, and Ledger.

BEGINS has Katie Holmes and hackneyed 3rd act. That alone brings it down a few notches. You can tell that after Batman makes his debut, the film that Nolan wanted to tell ends, and then kicks in blockbuster / superhero movie cliches ... and almost borderline cheese (which is inherent with superhero genre films)

TDK? Whole 'nother level. It raised the bar so high for this type of film, that even a great flick like TDK Rises would be held to a standard no other film in the genre can touch.

As a script, it's world's better. It makes relevant social commentary, has ridiculously well crafted dialogue (at times BEGINS has atrocious dialogue that beats you over the head with themes) ... and the whole fact that it is by far the best post 9/11 War On Terror allegory on film says something for it's level of relevance and depth.

TDK is a generational defining CLASSIC. Instant classic, even. Only idiots would say it's overrated or that the movie is crap outside of Ledger's Joker. It shattered genre expectations and cliches. When have you ever seen a superhero flick where essentially the villain wins at the end?

Btw, much of what you see of Ledger's Joker was on the script pages. So the character was written extremely well. Ledger brought it to life, with nuanced and frightening believability, but it was there on the page.

You can't just remove a major element of a story and then say the movie would suck without him. Of course it would, it would be a different story. The Joker is as iconic as the Batman. And watching two icons duke it out for the soul of a believable city is what made this movie special.

Saying TDK is overrated makes your thoughts on this subject completely invalid. It was a major game changer, and the crown jewel of the franchise. By far.

BEGINS is a good origin, and film with a lot of pathos ... and probably the best character study of Bruce Wayne we will see on film. It was fun seeing him put together a legend piece by piece. But TDK is where it all goes down. When the legend is tested by another juggernaut.

TDK is even superior down to it's action set pieces, which too were utterly amazing. And completely practical.

:oldlol: @ TDK being overrated. You should get smacked. Probably the only film I've seen that exceeded expectations in a major way.

It was a cinematic roller coaster that held you on the edge of your seat from start to finish.


I wasn't too high on Ledgers joker, because it was less hilarious and more sadistic and psycho
The Joker has plenty of dark, un-comfortable humor in TDK, just like the darkest incarnation of his character.

He literally views society as a joke. And IMO he was as funny if not more than Nicholson's Joker. He wasn't goofy, he just made jokes that made you feel uncomfortable to laugh at ... "magic trick", etc

And for like the 9th time, John Blake isn't "Robin" ... he's Robin John Blake. His first name merely being a tip of the hat to the inspiration.

[LA Lakers]

Another point we fundamentally disagree on, I much preferred Katie Holmes to Maggie Gylenhaal for dramatic impact of having the same actress play the same character and honestly, Maggie Gylenhaal did not look attactive in The Dark Knight...

[DonDadda59]

Another point we fundamentally disagree on, I much preferred Katie Holmes to Maggie Gylenhaal for dramatic impact of having the same actress play the same character and honestly, Maggie Gylenhaal did not look attactive in The Dark Knight...

They were both terrible. The only female co star they got right in the trilogy was Anne Hathaway.

[LA Lakers]

Yeah. Hathaway was great. Even Marion Cottilard was underused, undeveloped...

[The Mamba]

Another point we fundamentally disagree on, I much preferred Katie Holmes to Maggie Gylenhaal for dramatic impact of having the same actress play the same character and honestly, Maggie Gylenhaal did not look attactive in The Dark Knight...
I'm not claiming Maggie as eye candy. But she can act circles around Katie Holmes.

Maggie had the tenacity and intelligence to make me believe she was a DA assistant. Katie Holmes was not convincing at all. Please, dude.

I don't think the character of Rachel was meant to be eye candy. Anne Hathaway isn't eye candy either, but she can act.

Marion's character, if underused ... she clearly is a very good actress as well.

[Joshumitsu]

Haha, Nolan was planning on casting Rachel McAdams. Should've just done that instead. Good enough acting and good looking. But true enough, Maggie would look the part of a DA's assistant moreso than the other girls.

[Toizumi]

I thought Rises sucked.
I like Batman and pick up a comic every now and then. I read the original story in which Bane "broke" the bat and I expected a lot out of this movie, but thought it was horrible.

This might be over the top, but below are some of the things I disliked about the movie.. If people liked it cool, this is just my (not so humble) opinion:

1.The beginning with the plane/blood transfusion thing didn't make any sense.
2. Bane had zero motive (apprentice of Rah, who wanted to destroy Gotham to "honour" his master, who disliked him. However, Gotham was all cleaned up and actually a nice city now, so why destroy it? Was it because he loved Talia, which was ridiculous?
3. Gotham was a great city now because of the "Dent" act. That's not what Gotham is supposed to be like. I know Nolan can do with the story whatever he wanted to, but that was dissapointing.
4. Batman was out for 7 years!! he turned into the anti Bruce Wayne. horrible.. what a way to reveal your identity also.
5. Robin. Who knew Batman's identity, because of the look in his eye.
6. Rahs Ghost coming to visit Bruce.
7. Bruce's recovery in "hell" with world's worst criminals, who were quite nice and helpfull and had TV in there.
8. The jump. like there was no way these people could climb out of a pit with all the tools they had. Then a little girl who's like 4 ft tall makes the damn jump. Bla bla it's not about physical strength this that. still ridiculous.
9. Talia :facepalm :facepalm
10. Bane living in the sewers with hoodlums who will follow him no matter what and can take over an entire city just by walking around with guns. lol.
11 The whole nuclear bomb thing.
12. the batplane :facepalm way to stick with the realistic/dark/edgy vibe they had in the first two movies.
13. Catwoman, masterthief, utlimate seductress - corny as hell. Over the top acting. stupid suit.
14. People with big guns running up to fistfight batman. Why? just shoot him already. Same with the cops/bad guys fight in the end. They all have guns but just run up to fight eachother instead of shoot.
15. batman being in gotham all of a sudden in the end.
16. Bane wearing a mask like a painkiller thingie.. He was nothing more than a big brute with a strange voice. Mastermind? When did he come across as a mastermind? What happend to the venum. Why was he as tall as Batman and how was he able to take 10 superhard punches to the face without going KO?

end rant.

[Meticode]

I thought Rises sucked.
I like Batman and pick up a comic every now and then. I read the original story in which Bane "broke" the bat and I expected a lot out of this movie, but thought it was horrible.

This might be over the top, but below are some of the things I disliked about the movie.. If people liked it cool, this is just my (not so humble) opinion:

1.The beginning with the plane/blood transfusion thing didn't make any sense.
2. Bane had zero motive (apprentice of Rah, who wanted to destroy Gotham to "honour" his master, who disliked him. However, Gotham was all cleaned up and actually a nice city now, so why destroy it? Was it because he loved Talia, which was ridiculous?
3. Gotham was a great city now because of the "Dent" act. That's not what Gotham is supposed to be like. I know Nolan can do with the story whatever he wanted to, but that was dissapointing.
4. Batman was out for 7 years!! he turned into the anti Bruce Wayne. horrible.. what a way to reveal your identity also.
5. Robin. Who knew Batman's identity, because of the look in his eye.
6. Rahs Ghost coming to visit Bruce.
7. Bruce's recovery in "hell" with world's worst criminals, who were quite nice and helpfull and had TV in there.
8. The jump. like there was no way these people could climb out of a pit with all the tools they had. Then a little girl who's like 4 ft tall makes the damn jump. Bla bla it's not about physical strength this that. still ridiculous.
9. Talia :facepalm :facepalm
10. Bane living in the sewers with hoodlums who will follow him no matter what and can take over an entire city just by walking around with guns. lol.
11 The whole nuclear bomb thing.
12. the batplane :facepalm way to stick with the realistic/dark/edgy vibe they had in the first two movies.
13. Catwoman, masterthief, utlimate seductress - corny as hell. Over the top acting. stupid suit.
14. People with big guns running up to fistfight batman. Why? just shoot him already. Same with the cops/bad guys fight in the end. They all have guns but just run up to fight eachother instead of shoot.
15. batman being in gotham all of a sudden in the end.
16. Bane wearing a mask like a painkiller thingie.. He was nothing more than a big brute with a strange voice. Mastermind? When did he come across as a mastermind? What happend to the venum. Why was he as tall as Batman and how was he able to take 10 superhard punches to the face without going KO?

end rant.
Some of your rants are ridiculous, but I'm surprised out of all of them you didn't mention once Selina Kyle's girlfriend side-kick. Stupidiest f*cking character in the movie.

[D-Wade316]

I actually like the Talia twist now. Bane is very much the mirror opposite of Batman. Imprisoned in the pit and never escaped, until Ra's came. Excommunicated by Ra's because he reminded him of the hell his wife was left to die. Bruce escaped from the pit. Ra's deemed Bruce as his successor. I think many are also under the impression Bane works for Talia when in fact he disobeyed her order to not kill Bats.

[Rose]

Haha, Nolan was planning on casting Rachel McAdams. Should've just done that instead. Good enough acting and good looking. But true enough, Maggie would look the part of a DA's assistant moreso than the other girls.
Totally agreed.

Although, I did prefer Katie Holmes acting over Maggie's by far, although like you said Maggie looked the part.

[BMOGEFan]

I thought Rises sucked.
I like Batman and pick up a comic every now and then. I read the original story in which Bane "broke" the bat and I expected a lot out of this movie, but thought it was horrible.

This might be over the top, but below are some of the things I disliked about the movie.. If people liked it cool, this is just my (not so humble) opinion:

1.The beginning with the plane/blood transfusion thing didn't make any sense. - What is there that doesn't make sense? They wanted to fake the doctor's death.
2. Bane had zero motive (apprentice of Rah, who wanted to destroy Gotham to "honour" his master, who disliked him. However, Gotham was all cleaned up and actually a nice city now, so why destroy it? Was it because he loved Talia, which was ridiculous? - not sure if you watched the movie. The whole part was summed up in the pit.
3. Gotham was a great city now because of the "Dent" act. That's not what Gotham is supposed to be like. I know Nolan can do with the story whatever he wanted to, but that was dissapointing.
4. Batman was out for 7 years!! he turned into the anti Bruce Wayne. horrible.. what a way to reveal your identity also. - who did he reveal his identity to?
5. Robin. Who knew Batman's identity, because of the look in his eye. - agreed...stupid.
6. Rahs Ghost coming to visit Bruce. - so?
7. Bruce's recovery in "hell" with world's worst criminals, who were quite nice and helpfull and had TV in there. - TV was there for bruce to watch gotham burn. Couldn't u figure that one out. Those criminals are criminals judged by LOS, so there might actually be some decent people.
8. The jump. like there was no way these people could climb out of a pit with all the tools they had. Then a little girl who's like 4 ft tall makes the damn jump. Bla bla it's not about physical strength this that. still ridiculous. - symbolism...learn it.
9. Talia :facepalm :facepalm - her death sucked...her being the boss sucked.
10. Bane living in the sewers with hoodlums who will follow him no matter what and can take over an entire city just by walking around with guns. lol. - LOS
11 The whole nuclear bomb thing. - eh.
12. the batplane :facepalm way to stick with the realistic/dark/edgy vibe they had in the first two movies. - eh.
13. Catwoman, masterthief, utlimate seductress - corny as hell. Over the top acting. stupid suit. - i thought michelle pfiefer was better as well.
14. People with big guns running up to fistfight batman. Why? just shoot him already. Same with the cops/bad guys fight in the end. They all have guns but just run up to fight eachother instead of shoot.
15. batman being in gotham all of a sudden in the end. - who did you want there? superman?
16. Bane wearing a mask like a painkiller thingie.. He was nothing more than a big brute with a strange voice. Mastermind? When did he come across as a mastermind? What happend to the venum. Why was he as tall as Batman and how was he able to take 10 superhard punches to the face without going KO? - this movie never really followed the comics to a dime.

end rant.


you have some really ridiculous rants. some are valid. Its almost the same as saying how did tom hagan become the consigliere...MAJOR PLOT HOLE

[The Mamba]

I think many are also under the impression Bane works for Talia when in fact he disobeyed her order to not kill Bats.
Exactly. His motivations are out of love / redemption but I'd say they are more co-leaders.

[Toizumi]

you have some really ridiculous rants. some are valid. Its almost the same as saying how did tom hagan become the consigliere...MAJOR PLOT HOLE

Yeah like I mention in the beginning of my post, this is my not so humble opinion and part of my comments are probably misplaced. I know the movie is more complex than I make it sound and it deserves more credit than I'm giving it.
I thought begins was great.. and TDK was based on "the killing joke" and "the long halloween", which in my opinion are two of the best comics out there. Rises, to me, felt like just another action movie. Mission Impossible 3/Avengers or whatever. The movie had the seductive but deadly female ally, the big brute bad guy, who's working for a surprise villian, the hero who sacrifices himself but turns out to be fine in the end, even the young cop who helps out is in there.
Imo pretty cliche. Thing is, a lot of people loved the movie, so I guess that opinions differ, which is fine.. Maybe I need to give the movie a second try. I just know that I left the theatre very dissapointed and a lot of people felt the same. Ohters loved it though and it had great reviews.

[MeLO MvP 15]

I'd just like to let you guys know, I thorougly enjoyed reading through this thread. I was in TDKR thread a lot before and I can't wait to watch this movie again now.

[unbreakable]

i thought the Bane and Robin characters were fantastic.. Bane was defintely scary and his voice and vocabulary were EXCELLENT

but what fukked it up is the story line.. him being talia's bltchboy was wrong..

nolan shoulda made bane epic like he did joker :cry:

[D-Wade316]

Exactly. His motivations are out of love / redemption but I'd say they are more co-leaders.
Not just that though. He wanted to prove he was more worthy of a successor to Ra's than Bruce. It's a brotherly competition between the two. The other was preferred, the other was snubbed.

[The Mamba]

Not just that though. He wanted to prove he was more worthy of a successor to Ra's than Bruce. It's a brotherly competition between the two. The other was preferred, the other was snubbed.
Interesting. Never thought of that before. It gives more valid reasons for Bane's motivations of wanting to a) blow up Gotham but b) to want to kill Bruce.

Plus, Bruce is the one who went balls deep in the one he loved.

Oh, and if you notice through out the movie Talia wants to lure Bruce away peacefully from Gotham so he can't protect it. After they bone, she talks about leaving and going away.

[MK2V1GP]

To me, the Talia/Bane thing was just a way to add a surprising twist to the end of it (even tho it wasn't all that surprising).

I, too, wish they would've focused more on Bane. In the comics, Bane is one of Batman's most compelling enemies (probably 2nd behind Joker). And I was pumped that Nolan would do this Bane right after he was Poison Ivy's dumb henchman in the 90's movies. But, basically, this Bane was a hired henchman, too. Dumb.

Other than that, I liked it.

[Money 23]

To me, the Talia/Bane thing was just a way to add a surprising twist to the end of it (even tho it wasn't all that surprising).

I, too, wish they would've focused more on Bane. In the comics, Bane is one of Batman's most compelling enemies (probably 2nd behind Joker). And I was pumped that Nolan would do this Bane right after he was Poison Ivy's dumb henchman in the 90's movies. But, basically, this Bane was a hired henchman, too. Dumb.

Other than that, I liked it.
You don't consider Bane from TDK Rises to be a compelling enemy of Batman? He's the only one to physically break him, and then make him watch his city get destroyed from a tv monitor in a prison underground while he uses the weapon tech that was built by his company, and saved for his vigilante alter ego.

That is incredibly cold, and totally bad ass.

It is over simplification to call Bane a dumb henchman in TDK Rises. Bane and Talia were basically working hand in hand. Do you consider Darth Vader to be a dumb henchman? I don't either. Bane essentially planned the entire attack on Gotham and how to physically trap Bruce in order to break him.

Bane had to run mercenary missions for Dagget for years before he brought him to Gotham, unknowingly being a pawn in Bane's grand scheme to take control of the city. I think you're selling him really sort. Bane was easily the most compelling villain outside of the Joker in this series. He's dimensional too. He's brawn, with brains. Cold and calculating, with a soul and heart underneath, even if it is misguided. He's intelligent and articulate, while still maintaining the ability to brutally tear you apart. He has presence.

Bane in Batman and Robin walks around like a monkey, bidding orders and saying things like "money work"

It's not even fair to insinuate that of the character in comparison to the one in TDK Rises. Bane was boss, and a total bad ass. Necessary evil. Great lines and delivery of dialogue, too. How does the twist that he's working with Talia as the inherited leaders of the League of Shadows make him any less cool?

He still was the one in the film doing all these crazy things to break the Batman and to destroy Gotham. Was Batman not a bad ass in the trilogy because he worked in conjunction with Gordon, Dent, Blake, Fox, Alfred and Selina Kyle?

Bane and Talia had relations in the comics. They both were in charge of the League of Assassins as well. Bane in the comics, while being a total bad ass, also has a soft side to him that few get to see. He's essentially a dark reflection of Bruce Wayne. They wrote Bane and Talia as a grittier version of Darth Vader and the Emperor.

Plus, I mean in order to complete the story from Batman Begins, it makes sense that the ancient old secret society terrorist organization that was stopped in Batman Begins would have a cyclical idea to get revenge and go back to destroy the Batman and Gotham once and for all, right?

:rolleyes:

[Segatti]

TDKR was disappointing, at least to me. So many damn plot-holes.

[Money 23]

TDKR was disappointing, at least to me. So many damn plot-holes.
Such as ...

[Patrick Chewing]

Everyone disappointed with Bane's death.


Bane is not dead.

[Money 23]

Everyone disappointed with Bane's death.


Bane is not dead.
Bane's dead. Canon blasts to the chest.

The trilogy is done, legend ends. Why would he be alive?

Disappointed with Bane's death = small brain.

[BMOGEFan]

Such as ...

i know i know...it doesn't explain how batman poured oil on the bridge for the fiery bat signal.

[Money 23]

i know i know...it doesn't explain how batman poured oil on the bridge for the fiery bat signal.
As if it even matters ...

And even then it's simple. He grapple gunned to the top of the bridge. Or stood on the wings of his stealth HOVER CRAFT to do it.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's never confirmed that he died just like it's never confirmed for most villains. Plus, he does play a role in The Justice League which is now Nolan's next project along with Superman.


Then there's the issue with that very thick vest of his.....

[BMOGEFan]

As if it even matters ...

And even then it's simple. He grapple gunned to the top of the bridge. Or stood on the wings of his stealth HOVER CRAFT to do it.

i was being sarcastic to that guy...

[Money 23]

It's never confirmed that he died just like it's never confirmed for most villains. Plus, he does play a role in The Justice League which is now Nolan's next project along with Superman.
Since when is Bane in Justice League? Nolan's next project isn't Justice League. He hasn't even announced one yet. He is producing Man of Steel, and in a recent interview (IE a couple days ago for the blu ray release) he said he's producing Superman and then taking a break.

He's been head strong in not doing a superhero team up. He feels real character credibility comes from strong thematic solo character pieces. He's not doing the Justice League film. Nothing concrete has even been set up for that film, yet.

And Nolan's right. None of this stupid team up / continuity Marvel crap. Just give me great movies about the individual legends.

Bane died. Plain and simple, you tard. Those HUGE canons he gets blast with? They took out a wall of cars the scene before. How would he not be dead?

No amount of kevlar or body armor is stopping that ...

Plus, Bane is meant to die. He's on a suicide mission from the start. He would never let himself get taken into custody, and he's certainly not escaping all the GPD cops that over take the mercenaries and Blackgate prisoners.

Bane living is not logical, nor is it even insinuated.


i was being sarcastic to that guy...
I know, wasn't jumping on you. Just adding on. We're on the same page, bro.

This film doesn't have the amount of plot holes people think. It's all addressed in dialogue.

Does the film move briskly over the course of a LOT of time creating the feeling of plot holes? Yes. But it's just because Nolan was crafting an EPIC that spans a lot of time over the film.

TDK Rises from the opening prologue to the end covers 8 - 9 months. Miranda Tate when addressing Wayne about the energy project and how the only man who could turn it into a bomb died in a plane crash "3 months ago" so there was nothing to fear.

People need to listen better. Claiming Bruce didn't have time to heal. Really? They said the neutron bomb deteriorates at a span of 5 months from the time they take it off the core. Bruce Wayne is held in a jail cell before they do that ... and returns just a day or two before the detonation.

That's almost 6 months in a jail cell to recover and build his body / mind / spirit back up. That's half a year. And on the television, the CNN channel covers "the Siege of Gotham" going into it's 5th month.

[BlueandGold]

BTW this movie was horrible

no plot
terrible acting, actors looked confused half the time
plot didn't make sense
bane's voice horrible
too length (almost 3 hours of garbage?)

I probably only enjoyed the first 30 min, and that was most likely because i was expecting much much more from nolan. Inception and TDK were masterpieces... looking back though in hindsight though he had amazing lead roles for both in Decaprio and Leger.

[Segatti]

Such as ...

Well, begin with the fact that the US government doesn't do jack shit to save the most important city in the world in five god damn months. Seems legit...

[BMOGEFan]

Well, begin with the fact that the US government doesn't do jack shit to save the most important city in the world in five god damn months. Seems legit...

Didn't you see the army camped outside the bridge?

Didn't you see the special ops that got shot up in the city hall building?

This is not a plot hole. This is an audience not watching the movie.

[BMOGEFan]

BTW this movie was horrible

no plot
terrible acting, actors looked confused half the time
plot didn't make sense
bane's voice horrible
too length (almost 3 hours of garbage?)

I probably only enjoyed the first 30 min, and that was most likely because i was expecting much much more from nolan. Inception and TDK were masterpieces... looking back though in hindsight though he had amazing lead roles for both in Decaprio and Leger.

So you said there is NO PLOT. Then you say PLOT doesn't make sense.

:facepalm :facepalm :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[L8k3r5]

BTW this movie was horrible

no plot
terrible acting, actors looked confused half the time
plot didn't make sense
bane's voice horrible
too length (almost 3 hours of garbage?)

I probably only enjoyed the first 30 min, and that was most likely because i was expecting much much more from nolan. Inception and TDK were masterpieces... looking back though in hindsight though he had amazing lead roles for both in Decaprio and Leger.
:facepalm You are a f*cking idiot. GTFO wih your BS nonsense

[Segatti]

Didn't you see the army camped outside the bridge?

Didn't you see the special ops that got shot up in the city hall building?

This is not a plot hole. This is an audience not watching the movie.

Let me get this straight. A Batman with no money and apparently no resources managed to enter the city stealthily, but the government with all the resources in the world couldn't do it? :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

Let me get this straight. A Batman with no money and apparently no resources managed to enter the city stealthily, but the government with all the resources in the world couldn't do it? :lol


A Hi Tech Billionare trained by a group of Ninja's......

come on son.

[Segatti]

A Hi Tech Billionare trained by a group of Ninja's......

come on son.

My whole point it is not about it (although is indeed pretty lame the fact they didn't show how he entered), it's about the government letting all happen without any intervention. How this is supposed to be realistic?

[AlphaWolf24]

My whole point it is not about it (although is indeed pretty lame the fact they didn't show who he entered), it's about the government letting all happen without any intervention. How this is supposed to be realistic?


- yeah I had similar gripe.....Like at least show us how he gets back to Gotham after the esape from the PIT........he just poped up.


- I just chalked it up to the Movie bieng to long...they had to leave it out :confusedshrug:

- but can yuo really ever have a batman movie be too long?.....I don't think so.

[BMOGEFan]

- yeah I had similar gripe.....Like at least show us how he gets back to Gotham after the esape from the PIT........he just poped up.


- I just chalked it up to the Movie bieng to long...they had to leave it out :confusedshrug:

- but can yuo really ever have a batman movie be too long?.....I don't think so.

Yea. The worst movie in the world. Its the same as godfather when they didn't show how Michael corleone got out of America to Sicily and his trip back

Plot hole hell unwatchable movie

[AlphaWolf24]

Yea. The worst movie in the world. Its the same as godfather when they didn't show how Michael corleone got out of America to Sicily and his trip back

Plot hole hell unwatchable movie


Yeah I know...especially how the spent 1/3rd of the Godfather Movie explaining how/why they locked down Sicily ...and anyone leaves / enters will deploy an atomic Bomb inside the heart of sicily...


meh..

[Segatti]

Yeah I know...especially how the spent 1/3rd of the Godfather Movie explaining how/why they locked down Sicily ...and anyone leaves / enters will deploy an atomic Bomb inside the heart of sicily...


meh..
:oldlol: :applause: