who thinks Kobe is still the best player on the Lakers?

[ralph_i_el]

Last season was his most inefficient to date. He's definitely lost a step and is not the defender he once was. In my opinion, he and Nash are on about the same level at this point and Dwight is clearly the best player on the team.

Kobe shot 30% from 3 last season and I can definitely see that rebounding with the some more open looks from Nash and less late shot clock shots, but I also think his % on 2's will decline again. I also guarantee there are going to be noticeable issues with spacing in the Laker's offense next year courtesy of Mike Brown.

[LamarOdom]

Howard is the second best in the league and Kobe is fourth so not me.

[gtfomyface]

i don't think anyone thinks kobe is better than dwight at this point, but kobe will still be the leader of the team for sure

[upside24]

Howard will be the best if he recovers well from the back surgery.

[All Net]

Dwight when heathly is the 2nd best player in the league so no but Kobe is still a top 5-7 player even now.

[DirtySanchez]

I think for the Lakers to win Dwight has to be the main option. Kobe will still do his thing in the clutch but the offense must feed Dwight. I got a feeling Dwight might get MVP this season if he stays healthy watch.

[franchiez]

Regardless, Kobe still the man in LA.

[LamarOdom]

I think for the Lakers to win Dwight has to be the main option. Kobe will still do his thing in the clutch but the offense must feed Dwight. I got a feeling Dwight might get MVP this season if he stays healthy watch.

Howard took thirteen shots a game as a first option with scrubs on his teams what makes you think that will increase playing with three other great offensive players?

Kobe will still take most shots and rightly so, Howard can still get his 13-14 shots and 10-11 FT a games and then be our defensive anchor.

[d.bball.guy]

Not me. Dwight is the best player but it's still Kobe's team.

[Rubio2Gasol]

I think it's quite obvious that defensively he's the best player on the Lakers and the league.However I don't think he's necessarily better than Kobe , at least not offensively.

I need to see how the P&R functions with him and Nash , it was very functional with Hedo in Orlando + floor spacers, so with Gasol and Nash it could be something special.

I think he'll be the most influential player on the team and he's probably the best, but I have some problem in saying it outright due to how offensively limited he is.

I think Kobe steps into the Paul Pierce role this season so we'll see how much he takes a hit statistically, but if the Kobe I saw at the beginning of the year returns at any point in time I think he's the best.

He's clearly the most capable of carrying a team.

[Dictator]

Kobe is better offensively
Dwight defensively

[kennethgriffin]

kobe and howard are both arguably the 3rd best player in the nba.. depends on whether you give the advantage to the player with the most efficiency or the most skill

to make a long story short

WHO CARES. theyre co-leaders for all i care

at the end of the day people who try and stir the pot need to realise that theyre just jealous butthurt haters that will pick at anything to somewhat be able to sleep at night

kobe is in his 17th year and already an established legend ...

so everything he gets from here on out is icing on the cake.

all i know is when the finals is over. more than likely kobe will get the nod for finals mvp due to the fact that he has the biggest green light to shoot in the league. he runs the show and has more pull than the coach

so get a grip on reality and get a straw so you can suck it up



( drops mic )

[28renyoy]

Top 5 nba players

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Howard
4. Paul
5. Wade

Kobe isn't even top 5. He's not better than Westbrook either. He's in the pack with love, nowitzki, d. will, and bynum

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Kobe.
Dwight still has to show me he can win at the highest level.
Putting up big numbers on a mediocre squad does not impress.
Leading your team to championships does.

[28renyoy]

Kobe.
Dwight still has to show me he can win at the highest level.
Putting up big numbers on a mediocre squad does not impress.
Leading your team to championships does.

Dwight got to the finals with scrubs. Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with scrubs. 23 year old Dwight>prime Kobe

[Dictator]

Top 5 nba players

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Howard
4. Paul
5. Wade

Kobe isn't even top 5. He's not better than Westbrook either. He's in the pack with love, nowitzki, d. will, and bynum

You missed the ISH official vote thread.

[LamarOdom]

Kobe.
Dwight still has to show me he can win at the highest level.
Putting up big numbers on a mediocre squad does not impress.
Leading your team to championships does.

How about leading your team with your second option being Rashard to the finals?

[Ikill]

I think for the Lakers to win Dwight has to be the main option. Kobe will still do his thing in the clutch but the offense must feed Dwight. I got a feeling Dwight might get MVP this season if he stays healthy watch.
Dwights is a blackhole he's the exact same as Bynum on offence no way the offence should run through him. The Lakers offence and defense would be worse if Dwight is the 1st option. He's the only good defender in the starting line up so he should focus all his energy on making the Lakers the best defensive team in the NBA.

[Dictator]

Dwight got to the finals with scrubs. Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with scrubs. 23 year old Dwight>prime Kobe

Dwights scrubs were significantly better than smush parker, and other no names.

[TheAesirsFinest]

Dwights scrubs were significantly better than smush parker, and other no names.

The Magic scrubs were also ridiculously hot against the Cavs in 08-09. Not so much in the Finals :oldlol:

[Rubio2Gasol]

How about leading your team with your second option being Rashard to the finals?

Rashard Lewis and Hedo were ballin out of control.

[longtime lurker]

kobe and howard are both arguably the 3rd best player in the nba.. depends on whether you give the advantage to the player with the most efficiency or the most skill

to make a long story short

WHO CARES. theyre co-leaders for all i care

at the end of the day people who try and stir the pot need to realise that theyre just jealous butthurt haters that will pick at anything to somewhat be able to sleep at night

kobe is in his 17th year and already an established legend ...

so everything he gets from here on out is icing on the cake.

all i know is when the finals is over. more than likely kobe will get the nod for finals mvp due to the fact that he has the biggest green light to shoot in the league. he runs the show and has more pull than the coach

so get a grip on reality and get a straw so you can suck it up



( drops mic )

:applause:

[longtime lurker]

Dwights is a blackhole he's the exact same as Bynum on offence no way the offence should run through him. The Lakers offence and defense would be worse if Dwight is the 1st option. He's the only good defender in the starting line up so he should focus all his energy on making the Lakers the best defensive team in the NBA.

Also this. You'll get no where with a Dwight centered offense

[YAWN]

#3 & #4 players in the league IMO. Kobe will still lead and be the focal point in 4th quarters, but overall Dwight is the better player at this point. He may not have the offensive impact as Kobe but Howard is a beast defensively and on the boards.

Im hoping playing and practicing with Pau allows Dwight to develop more offensive post moves as well.

[NumberSix]

I have a hard time believing Kobe at this point is better than anyone but Davis on the USA team. Maybe James Harden too.

Dwight is quite easily the best player on this team and I'd bet Pau will be the 2nd.

Kobe just isn't that guy anymore.

[pauk]

not me.. i think a healthy dwight is the 2nd best player in the world, his impact on a team is ridicilous

[swag2011]

i think it's a wash imo. Yes Dwight is a beast defensively, but nobody is f*cking with Kobe when he gets it going offensively. People have to realize that last year they COMPLETELY changed from the triangle to a basic a$$ offense. He wasn't put in his spots that he likes that are in the triangle. Plus at the beginning of the year Brown asked Kobe to take on more of an offensive load.

Now that he won't have to focus on the facilitating duties, he can focus on his scoring, while bringing it on the defensive end. Don't forget the good D he played against Ty Lawson, D.Wade, and a few others last year.

Dwight's defense downlow will have more of an impact, but Kobe will still be mr 4th quarter/clutch all day.

[NumberSix]

i think it's a wash imo. Yes Dwight is a beast defensively, but nobody is f*cking with Kobe when he gets it going offensively. People have to realize that last year they COMPLETELY changed from the triangle to a basic a$$ offense. He wasn't put in his spots that he likes that are in the triangle. Plus at the beginning of the year Brown asked Kobe to take on more of an offensive load.
Somebody isn't watching the games.

During the end of PJ's tenure, they weren't running the triangle all that much. They probably ran almost as much triangle last season as they did Phil's last year.

[chazzy]

I have a hard time believing Kobe at this point is better than anyone but Davis on the USA team. Maybe James Harden too.
NumberSix

[NumberSix]

NumberSix
Name some names niqqa.

I'll give you Chandler, Harden and Davis. Iggy too.

[chazzy]

Name some names niqqa.
Harden, Iguodala, Love, Chandler, Melo, Deron. He and Westbrook are close. I think you're putting too much stock in a small olympic sample size.

[NumberSix]

Harden, Iguodala, Love, Chandler, Melo, Deron. He and Westbrook are close. I think you're putting too much stock in a small olympic sample size.
I don't believe Kobe in his 17th season is better than Love, Deron, RWB...... And as much as I hate to admit it......... Melo.

I'm sorry, but time>Kobe

[LamarOdom]

Name some names niqqa.

I'll give you Chandler, Harden and Davis. Iggy too.

Lay of that crack pipe son.

Only ones better than him in the olympics is Durant and LBJ.

[NumberSix]

Lay of that crack pipe son.

Only ones better than him in the olympics is Durant and LBJ.
You think 2012 Kobe is better than Westbrook and Melo? Really dog? :confusedshrug:

[G-Funk]

I do. Kobe is the 1st option, da closer and leader.

Dwight is there to anchor da defense & be a 3rd banana. Pecking Order:

1.Kobe
2A Gasol/2B Nash
3.Dwight

[LamarOdom]

You think 2012 Kobe is better than Westbrook and Melo? Really dog? :confusedshrug:

No I don't thing I think and I know.

1.LBJ
2.DH12
3.Durant
4.Kobe
5. Healthy DWade

[G-Funk]

You think 2012 Kobe is better than Westbrook and Melo? Really dog? :confusedshrug:
:oldlol: needed the laughter

[LakersFan626]

I do. Dwight may be more efficient but Kobe's more skilled offensively, can impact a game just as much, and has more of a winning mentality. Dwight's more like Shaq before Phil coached him, but better defensively.

Efficiency is only PART of the game.

[NumberSix]

No I don't thing I think and I know.

1.LBJ
2.DH12
3.Durant
4.Kobe
5. Healthy DWade
You must put a lot of stock in inefficient scoring.

[LamarOdom]

I do. Dwight may be more efficient but Kobe's more skilled offensively, can impact a game just as much, and has more of a winning mentality. Dwight's more like Shaq before Phil coached him, but better defensively.

Efficiency is only PART of the game.

Dwight is hard worker as opposed to Shaq who was a lazy mothafacker.

[KingBeasley08]

Dwight is hard worker as opposed to Shaq who was a lazy mothafacker.
altho lazy shaq >>>>> anyone else in the league lol

[NumberSix]

Dwight is hard worker as opposed to Shaq who was a lazy mothafacker.
Yes, but lazy Shaq is still better than hard working Dwight.

[Mr. Feeny]

Dwight got to the finals with scrubs. Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with scrubs. 23 year old Dwight>prime Kobe

:facepalm

[NumberSix]

:facepalm
He's just trolling. Nobody actually thinks that.

[G-Funk]

You must put a lot of stock in inefficient scoring.

You must put a lot of stock in efficient scoring.

If so

Dwight>Bynum>>>Lebron>>>Kobe

[LamarOdom]

You must put a lot of stock in inefficient scoring.

Scored 30 ppg in the playoffs with a 44fg%.

RWB 23,5 43%
Carmelo 28 42%
Harden 16 44%

Kevin Love haven't even played a playoff game in what 4 years?

[LamarOdom]

Yes, but lazy Shaq is still better than hard working Dwight.

Didn't say otherwise.

[NumberSix]

Scored 30 ppg in the playoffs with a 44fg%.

RWB 23,5 43%
Carmelo 28 42%
Harden 16 44%

Kevin Love haven't even played a playoff game in what 4 years?
Those player's do other things though.

At this stage in his career, Kobe is basically Melo without the rebounding and less post game.

[chazzy]

Those player's do other things though.

At this stage in his career, Kobe is basically Melo without the rebounding and less post game.
Melo isn't as good of a passer/playmaker and only averaged .7 more boards. Try again! Lol at "doing other things" as a reason for Melo being better.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

I don't like using the words best or better because people all have their own idea of what that means.

Kobe's a better leader, he has more experience, a more complete arsenal of offensive moves. He'll get you between 25 and 30 points a night, 5 assist, 5 rebounds. Insane heart, desire and work ethic. Warrior, he's durable and will play through almost any injury. He still plays pretty good defense too.

Howard at this stage of his career is more dominant because of his size and athleticism. Huge difference maker on defense. Great rebounder. He'll get you an efficient 20 points per game. Doesn't get a lot of assists. Not a great leader. Pretty durable until recently.

Overall, Kobe is better on the offensive side of the ball and Dwight is better on defense. I'm glad LA has them both so I really don't have to choose one or the other. lol. If they win it all lets see who is finals MVP before declaring Howard better than Kobe.

[NumberSix]

Melo isn't as good of a passer/playmaker and only averaged .7 more boards. Try again! Lol at "doing other things" as a reason for Melo being better.
Melo averaged 4 more rebounds in the 2011-2012 season, not .7.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Timberwolves are the team I follow the most in the league and Kevin Love is in no way or form near Kobe or any other Superstar.

He's a 15/13/5 guy that plays 0 defense in a functional team that wants to compete for a championship.

They need to start posting Pek more to end this madness.

Also lol at Melo has more of a post game than Kobe and lol at doing other things....what are you smoking?

[chazzy]

Melo averaged 4 more rebounds in the 2011-2012 season, not .7.
Melo - 6.3

Kobe - 5.4

.9 actually

[LamarOdom]

Those player's do other things though.

At this stage in his career, Kobe is basically Melo without the rebounding and less post game.

Now you're just reaching, Kobe can still play good D, rebound 5 a night give you 5 assists a night.

With Nash in town he'll finally get to play SG and not a combo guard.

My guess is that this year he'll average 25/5/4 on around 45-6% shooting, but hey, going in to his 17th season and still being arguable for top five just shows how great Kobe is.

While players like AI, VC, TMac, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen who all came in the same year or after him isn't even all stars anymore (except PP) he is still one of the best.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Melo averaged 4 more rebounds in the 2011-2012 season, not .7.

If DWade ain't better than Kobe, then neither is Melo.

1) Bron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe

[LamarOdom]

Melo averaged 4 more rebounds in the 2011-2012 season, not .7.

:facepalm

[NumberSix]

Melo - 6.3

Kobe - 5.4

.9 actually
Melo - 8.2

Kobe - 4.8


Where are you getting your numbers from?

[chazzy]

Melo - 8.2

Kobe - 4.8


Where are you getting your numbers from?
You're looking at his 5 game average from the Heat series, I listed the the 2012 season numbers


If DWade ain't better than Kobe, then neither is Melo.

1) Bron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe

That's my list as well

[LamarOdom]

Melo - 8.2

Kobe - 4.8


Where are you getting your numbers from?

His 8,2 was in the playoffs (5 games) in 41 minutes a game

[swag2011]

If DWade ain't better than Kobe, then neither is Melo.

1) Bron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe

This is the only list that right, although i'd put kobe over cp3, depending on the day,

And NumberSix no one takes you seriously, since you're known as one of the biggest kobe haters on here anyway.

[NumberSix]

If DWade ain't better than Kobe, then neither is Melo.

1) Bron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4) Chris Paul
5) Kobe
I personally believe that Wade is currently a better player than Kobe, but there's no proof of that. All we can judge is recent performance, and Wade didn't have a great season last year. He wasn't healthy, but we can't go by hypothetical "if he was healthy" scenarios.

[Dictator]

Melo - 8.2

Kobe - 4.8


Where are you getting your numbers from?

Kobe: 28 5 5 43%
Melo: 23 6 4 43%

:facepalm

Numbersix has his own stats.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Melo - 8.2

Kobe - 4.8


Where are you getting your numbers from?

Carmelo Anthony did not average 8.2 rebounds last year.

basketball-reference.com has him at 6.3.

[NumberSix]

His 8,2 was in the playoffs (5 games) in 41 minutes a game
Isn't that what we're talking about?

This is your post that started this discussion.

Scored 30 ppg in the playoffs with a 44fg%.

RWB 23,5 43%
Carmelo 28 42%
Harden 16 44%

Kevin Love haven't even played a playoff game in what 4 years?

[NumberSix]

Kobe: 28 5 5 43%
Melo: 23 6 4 43%

:facepalm

Numbersix has his own stats.
Playoffs

[Bandito]

Kobe is not the best player now, but he is the leader, the heart of the Lakers. It's his team, at least for now.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Isn't that what we're talking about?

This is your post that started this discussion.

Oh yeah, he played pretty good in the 5 games he played in the playoffs before getting sent home........again. lol

At least it wasn't a sweep. lol

[NumberSix]

Playoff Melo vs Kobe
Kobe: 30 5 4 44%
Melo: 28 8 2 42%
see 3 posts above yours

[Dictator]

see 3 posts above yours




Playoffs



Playoff Melo vs Kobe
Kobe: 30 5 4 44%
Melo: 28 8 2 42%

:biggums:

[NumberSix]

Oh yeah, he played pretty good in the 5 games he played in the playoffs before getting sent home........again. lol

At least it wasn't a sweep. lol
Yes, I understand the sample size.

I'm not saying Carmelo is definitively the better player. I'm just saying it's my opinion that I don't think Kobe will be the better player his 17th season in the league.

I believe Melo is in his prime years and Kobe is at least 3 or 4 years past his.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Marshmelo Anthony does do "other things" that Kobe doesn't do.

Like losing in the first round almost every year. lol

[LamarOdom]

Isn't that what we're talking about?

This is your post that started this discussion.

Oh my god the stupidness in your post ceases to amaze me.

First of all Carmelo played against the Heat with no good rebounder, second of all I used the playoff to show you Kobe could still can score efficiently on a high volume. Thirdly Carmelo only played 5 games so it wes unfair of me to use him but he has had even worse efficiency in previous years.

Kobe played twelve games so that's at least enough games. JH and RWB both played 20 games that's like a third of this years regular season so their stats also do them justice.

And even if he had more rebounds Kobe still was the better player.

[NumberSix]

:biggums:
The stats you just posted is what we've been discussing this whole time. the 2011-2012 season PLAYOFFS.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Yes, I understand the sample size.

I'm not saying Carmelo is definitively the better player. I'm just saying it's my opinion that I don't think Kobe will be the better player his 17th season in the league.

I believe Melo is in his prime years and Kobe is at least 3 or 4 years past his.

Can't disagree with you there. But so far Kobe past his prime has appeared to be better than most players in their prime. Things could change this year but I doubt it.

[NumberSix]

Oh my god the stupidness in your post ceases to amaze me.

First of all Carmelo played against the Heat with no good rebounder, second of all I used the playoff to show you Kobe could still can score efficiently on a high volume. Thirdly Carmelo only played 5 games so it wes unfair of me to use him but he has had even worse efficiency in previous years.

Kobe played twelve games so that's at least enough games. JH and RWB both played 20 games that's like a third of this years regular season so their stats also do them justice.

And even if he had more rebounds Kobe still was the better player.
I didn't bring up Kobe and Melo's playoff stats. I didn't initiate this line of discussion. I'm just answering what was initially presented.

[Dictator]

The stats you just posted is what we've been discussing this whole time. the 2011-2012 season PLAYOFFS.

Yet melo is better? Even lin lead the team better than melo...

[NumberSix]

Yet melo is better? Even lin lead the team better than melo...
Again, I didn't bring this up. I'm just answering what is being said. I never initiated comparing last year's layoff stats.

[LamarOdom]

I didn't bring up Kobe and Melo's playoff stats. I didn't initiate this line of discussion. I'm just answering what was initially presented.

So Kobe's playoff stats and RS stats is better, on top of that he is a better defender, playmaker etc. but still you think Melo is better than him?

[alleykat]

naw he's not

[Smoke117]

Dwight Howard is clearly the best player on the Lakers.

[MJ(Mean John)]

I don't think he would be the "best" per se. I mean, I guess it would depend on what night you're asking me.

You see, I see kobe in a different light than some. Kobe starts games hot. He goes like 8-11 in the first half for like 20 points.

Then they start the second and they go away from kobe, and Then lakers lose the lead Kobe tries to continue what he did in the first half and misses like 5 shots in a row. Then he makes 1, and misses 1, then makes another. Then he'll miss 3 in a row and then make 1.

Some shit like that and ends with 33 points on 11-25 shooting.

Idk, I blame it on the looks he's getting. During the game, hes older now, so he gets tired. He doesnt have a point guard and the rest of the team is weak, so defenses really gear up for him.

NOW, with Dwight and Nash, I'm looking for kobe's averages to stay the same with his fg% to go up to 47%. The way he isnt going to be doubled, and defenses have to worry about 4 guys and he can finally get HIS REST in. (LAST SEASON MIKE BROWN PLAYED KOBE THE WHOLE GAME BECAUSE 1. THEY WOULD LOSE WITHOUT HIM ON THE FLOOR, AND 2. NO BACK UP)

so, it would depend on the night. On most nights, dwight is our best player. BUT HE ISNT OUR BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER. He will be easily the most efficient but he IS NOT going to get you 50 points a night no matter HOW MANY times he shoots.

So, when its all said and done, It depends on the night, But kobe, being the type of player he is, with the mentality he has, will still be the leader.

[NumberSix]

So Kobe's playoff stats and RS stats is better, on top of that he is a better defender, playmaker etc. but still you think Melo is better than him?
I believe moving forward into this season, he will be.

Look, I'm not by any means a fan or Carmelo or his game. Let me be very clear. My opinion is based on Melo's age advantage. Kobe has been in the NBA 7 years longer than Melo. Nobody can beat father time.

[StateOfMind12]

This is just another good test to determine who is a Kobe fan and who is a Lakers fan.

[CTulc]

Strange as it sounds, I think if Kobe averages less points on a higher efficiency, he will be the best player.

Give Dwight the keys to scoring.

[NumberSix]

Strange as it sounds, I think if Kobe averages less points on a higher efficiency, he will be the best player.

Give Dwight the keys to scoring.
Call me crazy, but I think Pau should be Nash's #1 scoring option.

I think the combination of Nash & Pau is going to be serious. That will free Kobe up too.

[CTulc]

Call me crazy, but I think Pau should be Nash's #1 scoring option.

I think the combination of Nash & Pau is going to be serious. That will free Kobe up too.

Agreed. I have a friend who tells me all the time about how pumped he is to see those Gasol/Nash pick n rolls.

[Graviton]

I think Wade will go back to being top 5-7 this season, he has lot of time to rest and get healthy. His numbers won't be higher though, he gave the team to Lebron and now they got their recipe for success. Spo/Riley will also like usual not try too hard in the regular season. His efficiency will be up though.

Same for Kobe, higher efficiency with Nash and Howard, but lower numbers. They will both be in that 5-7 spot.

[Unstoppabull]

If Dwight recovers well from his back surgrey, and is healthy, he has the biggest impact on both ends.

Until we've seen them all played together, I'm giving Kobe the benefit of the doubt for now. He's still the best player for now, until Howard demonstrates he's better

[ShaqAttack3234]

Dwight has been better than Kobe these last 2 years, imo. It's hard to predict how Kobe will play at 34 years old, though.

I am wondering how this lineup will work, what kind of roles each players will be in. And how will Kobe approach the game playing with so many scoring options? I didn't really like how much he held the ball and overdribbled last year, particularly to work for his own shot. But that was to be expected in Mike Brown's offense, and considering he was their only perimeter threat, I can understand it. There really won't be a reason for him to try to do that much this season, though.


Dwight got to the finals with scrubs. Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with scrubs. 23 year old Dwight>prime Kobe

Scrubs= most overused word on ISH

Dwight's '09 Magic were talented. Aside from 2-time all-star Rashard(who was an all-star that year), they had Turkoglu, who played better in '08 than '09, but wasn't far from all-star level. Pretty much in the same tier as Lewis. The rest of their rotation was role players, some quite good such as Pietrus, but pretty much all of them at the level of NBA role players.

[CTulc]

I don't agree with the people who claim Dwight is the 3rd best player in the NBA.

[The Iron Fist]

Dwight got to the finals with scrubs. Kobe couldn't get out of the first round with scrubs. 23 year old Dwight>prime Kobe
And just like lebron carried scrubs to the finals, he faced at least one. 500 team.

How many has Kobe faced?

[swag2011]

I don't agree with the people who claim Dwight is the 3rd best player in the NBA.

then who is?

[CTulc]

then who is?

I suppose I should hold my tounge, since this is all dependent on next year. I just get the feeling there are a few players who could take that spot such as CP3, maybe westbrook, or wade/Kobe (both need to have bounceback years with better efficiency.) and believe it or not if Rondo comes back with a new attitude I could see him as well.

[RRR3]

I don't agree with the people who claim Dwight is the 3rd best player in the NBA.
I don't either, he's the 2nd best

[CTulc]

I don't either, he's the 2nd best

I'm not going to even bother... But I guess I should ask why?

[RRR3]

I'm not going to even bother... But I guess I should ask why?
I feel he has the second most impact behind LeBron, he and LBJ are the only guys (besides MAYBE CP3) you put on basically any team and they make the playoffs. :confusedshrug: I may be underrating Durant but he just doesn't seem as impactful as his stats suggest to me. That said, I have no problem with people ranking KD 2nd in the NBA.

[NumberSix]

I feel he has the second most impact behind LeBron, he and LBJ are the only guys (besides MAYBE CP3) you put on basically any team and they make the playoffs. :confusedshrug: I may be underrating Durant but he just doesn't seem as impactful as his stats suggest to me. That said, I have no problem with people ranking KD 2nd in the NBA.
I think Dwight is easily > Durant.

Durant is a good player, but let's be honest here. A lot of it is hype. Most people were picking him to be the MVP last year before the season even started. That is the definition of rating a player not on performance but on nothing but hype.

I still think Dwight are CP3 better than Durant without it even being very close.

[amfirst]

Dwight, Kobe is getting too old and lost a step or two.

[All Net]

I don't either, he's the 2nd best

He's right there

2nd or 3rd take your pick.

[LA_Showtime]

Dwight was arguably the second best player in the league two years ago. He was top five last year despite playing with a bad back. Kobe's still got it, but he's probably top 5-10. Edge to Dwight.

Really this pairing is like Pierce and KG a couple years ago. KG may be the best player on the squad, but it's still Pierce's team.

[Smoke117]

Dwight is by far the best defensive player (anchor) in the league, at the top of the list at rebounding, and gives you 20(+) points a night. (aka the best player on the Lakers) Kobe Bryant is the perfect player for this phrase: "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". He's going to jack up ill advised jump shots like he always has, he's got too much trek on those tires, he has too many nagging pains, he is too old to get to the rim regularly, and is frankly too stupid to change the way he plays and allow himself to get easier looks at the basket and shots created by having the talents of Nash, Howard and Gasol on the team.

Oh there is no doubt that he will take the most shots on the team by a wide margin...he's ****ing Kobe Bryant. Jacking up jump shots is in his blood. When it comes down to it though, Howard doesn't need many shots to get his 20 or so points and their point differential won't be separated by all that much. Howard gets to the ft line more than anyone else by a HUGE MARGIN. Over the last five years he's gotten to the line over 10 times a game and on as little as 10 field goal attempts. Nash can only help Howard get easier shots at the basket too. I am interested to see what Gasol will do as switching Bynum for Howard really doesn't change all that much at least the way Mike Brown was running the offense. Howard is still going to be the one down in the paint the majority of the time with Gasol stuck on the perimeter AGAIN where he doesn't belong at all with his terrific post game. He is so wasted in the Mike Brown offense. As a Celtic fan I just smirk and say: Hey you want to waste your players, waste your players. As a fan of the game though, I hate to see how wasted a player like Gasol is on the Lakers now.

[I<3NBA]

Dwight is the best player but Kobe is still the leader of this team. he will lead all Laker players in chucking. count on that!