Um...the 90's Bulls were a super team people

[eliteballer]

At least the 2nd team:

Jordan=>LeBron
Pippen=Wade
Rodman=>Bosh

Kukoc="Euro Jordan"/Could've scored 20 a game on his own(and did when the Bulls brokeup)
Harper: 20/6/5 before joining Bulls
Kerr: Top 3 point % shooter in history

If Ewing played with Nique they would have beat the Bulls in 92, possibly 93. Not even going to mention that Pippen/Grant/Armstrong were All-Stars the year Jordan retired from the first team.:coleman:

[DaHeezy]

At least the 2nd team:

Jordan=>LeBron
Pippen=Wade
Rodman=>Bosh

Kukoc="Euro Jordan"/Could've scored 20 a game on his own(and did when the Bulls brokeup)
Harper: 20/6/5 before joining Bulls
Kerr: Top 3 point % shooter in history

Not even going to mention that Pippen/Grant/Armstrong were All-Stars the year Jordan retired from the first team.:coleman:

Agree 100%. Probably the most well assembled cast ever.

[andgar923]

And Jordan made them aside from rodman and Toni. Shall we start naming the lakers?

[eliteballer]

And Jordan made them aside from rodman and Toni. Shall we start naming the lakers?

Jordan didnt make any of them. Pippen was one of the best players in the league in 94 and the 5th pick in the draft, Grant and BJ were allstars. Harper was 20/5/5 without Jordan, Rodman was a rebounding champ//multiple DPOY/multiple championship winner without Jordan

[RaininTwos]

And Jordan made them aside from rodman and Toni. Shall we start naming the lakers?
Jordan "made" them?

How do you make someone?

[Dragonyeuw]

Who has said the Bulls weren't a well-constructed team?

[andgar923]

Jordan didnt make any of them. Pippen was one of the best players in the league in 94 and the 5th pick in the draft, Grant and BJ were allstars. Harper was 20/5/5 without Jordan, Rodman was a rebounding champ//multiple DPOY/multiple championship winner without Jordan
Jordan made them, plain and simple, end of discussion.

[Sarcastic]

Pippen is overrated, Rodman was an absolute head case that most teams wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole, and Harper was a shell of his former self.

[eliteballer]

Jordan made them, plain and simple, end of discussion.

You're a tool, plain and simple, end of discussion.

[RaininTwos]

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[ImmortalD24]

At least the 2nd team:

Jordan=>LeBron
Pippen=Wade
Rodman=>Bosh

Kukoc="Euro Jordan"/Could've scored 20 a game on his own(and did when the Bulls brokeup)
Harper: 20/6/5 before joining Bulls
Kerr: Top 3 point % shooter in history

If Ewing played with Nique they would have beat the Bulls in 92, possibly 93. Not even going to mention that Pippen/Grant/Armstrong were All-Stars the year Jordan retired from the first team.:coleman:
Jordan made Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper, Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Phil Jackson, Shaq etc etc.. Deal with it.

[hawke812]

Jordan made Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper, Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Phil Jackson, Shaq etc etc.. Deal with it.

Jordan stans:rolleyes:

[Glide2keva]

So Pippen was a superstar on his own team before joining the Bulls? No he was drafted by the Bulls and was an unknown commodity.

Grant, same deal.

Harper was nowhere near what he was during his Cavs/Clippers days.

Kukoc was great, but you are vastly overrating him.

Rodman was never a superstar. He was an excellent rebounder and defensive player, that nobody wanted when the Bulls signed him.

BJ's ASG nod was underseved and I was there to see it first hand.

But to put Cartwright/Longlet on the same plane as Howard/Shaq is laugable.

[eliteballer]

So Pippen was a superstar on his own team before joining the Bulls? No he was drafted by the Bulls and was an unknown commodity.

Grant, same deal.

Harper was nowhere near what he was during his Cavs/Clippers days.

Kukoc was great, but you are vastly overrating him.

Rodman was never a superstar. He was an excellent rebounder and defensive player, that nobody wanted when the Bulls signed him.

BJ's ASG nod was underseved and I was there to see it first hand.

But to put Cartwright/Longlet on the same plane as Howard/Shaq is laugable.


Pippen was the 5th pick in the draft, an MVP caliber player in 94. Rodman was a multiple DPOY/rebounding champ without Jordan. The Bulls had the 3 superstar template.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Where is that OldSchoolBasketballFan at to slob on Jordan's c.ock?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pippen is overrated, Rodman was an absolute head case that most teams wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole, and Harper was a shell of his former self.

As is Jordan, at least going by the logic his stans use. LOL at 'making' someone.

[VIP2000]

Not really, they were just a really well-constructed team. Only Jordan and Pippen were perennial All-Stars, the others were just excellent role players who played to their maximum.

[ImmortalD24]

Jordan stans:rolleyes:
http://i46.tinypic.com/29414it.jpg

It is what it is.. Jordan made. Accept it.

[eliteballer]

Rodman was a multiple DPOY/rebounding champ before joining the Bulls. LOL @ roleplayer.

[Ne 1]

Pippen was the 5th pick in the draft, an MVP caliber player in 94. Rodman was a multiple DPOY/rebounding champ without Jordan. The Bulls had the 3 superstar template.

Scottie was a top 5 pick, and highly sought after talent (Chicago traded to get him from Seattle). He had his playmaking/ball handling skills from playing PG as a teen, and he was already touted as a great defensive player coming out of college (averaged 3+ steals). He improved dramatically EVERY year he was in college, which shows his tremendous work ethic before he even met Mike (went from a team manager to a college star in like 4-5 years).

He sure as hell wasn't just some dime a dozen scrub who showed up in the NBA one day and Jordan decided to use his midas touch to make him a star. I'm sure if Jordan had this mythical ability then he would have taken everyone under his wing and made something of them. By Pippen's rookie year, announcers around the league were already projecting him to be a superstar. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79eJyW_T0M) By his second year he had improved into a solid second option and by his third he was an All-Star and one of the best "#2s" in the entire league. Either Jordan was a godly teacher or maybe.....Pippen was just freaking talented. By the way, his improvement came at a time when Jordan wasn't even the vocal leader of the team (that came around '90 from Grant's account). They had a segment about this in the '91 Pistons series and oddly enough, Grant named Corzine as the one providing leadership to guys like Pippen and him in their first couple of years. Pippen was one of the most physically talented players of his era, was unnaturally skilled for a guy his size and was showing tons of flashes of greatness early on in his rookie year. I'd say he would not only be fine without Jordan but maybe even better off (gets a chance to develop faster without a teammate taking 30 shots a night, and maybe even win a ring on his own as he showed he was capable of leading a contending team in '94, because hey, we all know on ISH, 1 ring as the man > 6 as a #2). Jordan helped him sure but lets quit the outrageous "Jordan made Pippen" bull shit.

[Rab]

They were very well constructed, but their core was built through the draft, but Jordan, Pippen, and Grant were drafted, and built around. They had Kukoc's draft rights, and signed Rodman when no one else wanted them. It's not like teams today where players in their primes force their way off their team to join others in their prime.

[swi7ch]

Here you go man:

* nba title
* 72-10 record in the regular season
* 15-3 record in the playoffs
* all-star mvp, regular season mvp, and finals mvp in jordan
* phil jackson won coach of the year award
* kukoc won the 6th man award
* jordan's 30.4 ppg led the league (was 3rd in steals at 2.2)
* rodman's 14.9 rpg led the league
* jordan and pippen were named to the 1st team all nba team
* jordan, pippen, rodman were named to the 1st team all defensive team
* kerr was second in the league in 3 pt percentage


Oh yeah, that's just ONE season.

[AlphaWolf24]

Pippen , Rodman , Cartwright , Grant , Kukoc even Phil never even heard of basketball....until MJ yelled at them in practice.

[VIP2000]

Rodman was a multiple DPOY/rebounding champ before joining the Bulls. LOL @ roleplayer.

Still, he was not someone you build a franchise around. Unlike guys like Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Dwight, LeBron, Nash, etc.

[Ne 1]

90s Bulls:

-3 hall of famers (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman)
-5 All-Stars (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Armstrong)
-3 of the games best defenders (Jordan, Pippen; the GOAT perimeter defender and Rodman)
-2 of the games best 3 point shooters (Kerr and Kukoc)

[Calabis]

At least the 2nd team:

Jordan=>LeBron
Pippen=Wade
Rodman=>Bosh

Kukoc="Euro Jordan"/Could've scored 20 a game on his own(and did when the Bulls brokeup)
Harper: 20/6/5 before joining Bulls
Kerr: Top 3 point % shooter in history

If Ewing played with Nique they would have beat the Bulls in 92, possibly 93. Not even going to mention that Pippen/Grant/Armstrong were All-Stars the year Jordan retired from the first team.:coleman:

http://www.motleycrow.com/ImageHost/Stupid-InternetPoliceCENSOR.jpg

[97 bulls]

So Pippen was a superstar on his own team before joining the Bulls? No he was drafted by the Bulls and was an unknown commodity.

Grant, same deal.

Harper was nowhere near what he was during his Cavs/Clippers days.

Kukoc was great, but you are vastly overrating him.

Rodman was never a superstar. He was an excellent rebounder and defensive player, that nobody wanted when the Bulls signed him.

BJ's ASG nod was underseved and I was there to see it first hand.

But to put Cartwright/Longlet on the same plane as Howard/Shaq is laugable.
Are you saying the Bulls werent really that great of a team outside of Jordan?

[Ne 1]

Pippen , Rodman , Cartwright , Grant , Kukoc even Phil never even heard of basketball....until MJ yelled at them in practice.

Grant was an exceptional third fiddle who I'd take over many players more talented than him. Good and clutch defender, had a dependable mid-range shot, great finisher around the rim, dominant offensive rebounder, brought all the imaginable intangibles and a very underrated passer in the triangle. Teams would kill to have a #3 guy like him.

Anyone who wants to measure his impact can look at how the Bulls did in '94 season when he was injured (6 game losing streak iirc). And then see how much they missed him in the '95 playoffs against Orlando (ironically Grant's new team). It wasn't until they added the GOAT rebounder that they were able to fill the void he left.

[AlphaWolf24]

Grant was an exceptional third fiddle who I'd take over many players more talented than him. Good and clutch defender, had a dependable mid-range shot, great finisher around the rim, dominant offensive rebounder, brought all the imaginable intangibles and a very underrated passer in the triangle. Teams would kill to have a #3 guy like him.

Anyone who wants to measure his impact can look at how the Bulls did in '94 season when he was injured (6 game losing streak iirc). And then see how much they missed him in the '95 playoffs. It wasn't until they added the GOAT rebounder that they were able to fill the void he left.


Grant was a very important player in 95' for the Magic also...anyone who watched him play knows how great of a player he really was

[97 bulls]

The Bulls haad two coaches make the hall of fame because of how sominant they were in the 90s. Jackson and Winter.

[AlphaWolf24]

So Pippen was a superstar on his own team before joining the Bulls? No he was drafted by the Bulls and was an unknown commodity.

Grant, same deal.

Harper was nowhere near what he was during his Cavs/Clippers days.

Kukoc was great, but you are vastly overrating him.

Rodman was never a superstar. He was an excellent rebounder and defensive player, that nobody wanted when the Bulls signed him.

BJ's ASG nod was underseved and I was there to see it first hand.

But to put Cartwright/Longlet on the same plane as Howard/Shaq is laugable.


http://www.sportsblink.com/product_images/dennis-rodman-detroit-pistons-autographed-photograph-3341217.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LnucuXG%2BL._SL500_SS500_.jpg

DA WORM not a star??......

ntsrifsrs

[Rubio2Gasol]

Amazing and more importantly , perfectly balanced team to. Maximized the strengths and diminished the weaknesses of each and every player.

OKC is doing similar things right now.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Jordan's greatest rivals were John Starks and Craig Ehlo :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Calabis]

90s Bulls:

-3 hall of famers (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman)
-5 All-Stars (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Armstrong)
-3 of the games best defenders (Jordan, Pippen; the GOAT perimeter defender and Rodman)
-2 of the games best 3 point shooters (Kerr and Kukoc)

Kobe career teams:

- 8 HOF's (Payton, Malone, Gasol, Shaq, Rodman, Howard, Nash, Kobe )
- 11 All Stars(Van Exel, Jones, Artest, 8 HOF's)
- Best perimeter defender of his era Artest, multi DPOY Howard, Payton possible GOAT perimeter defender of all time, Jones 2x defensive teams, Shaq top 10 all-time block list
- two of the best clutch shooters ever Horry/Fisher
- Nash one of the best 3 point shooters ever :confusedshrug:

Anyone can play this stupid game

[Rubio2Gasol]

Also lmao at the suggestion that Rodman was never a superstar....2x DPOY in an era where Olajuwon and Robinson existed.

Not a star....

[Calabis]

They were as much of a super team as the 1980s Celtics or Lakers. Hell, Scottie made twice as many All-NBA teams as McHale and Parish did combined over their entire careers and three times as many 1st Team selections.

:roll: so now Scottie's production was equal to both Parrish and Mchale?? This based on First Team selections:confusedshrug:

[TheeBeast]

So what's the point of this thread?

I see most people like to label teams that get three or more stars these days as super teams, since possibly the 08 Celtics but the fact is that alot of multi-champ teams in history including the Bulls were also super teams, OK... Who here didn't already know that?

[Calabis]

Grant was a very important player in 95' for the Magic also...anyone who watched him play knows how great of a player he really was

:roll:

Horace Grant is now a GREAT player...oh the lengths Kobefans go too:oldlol:

[Rubio2Gasol]

The guy who most lost out in all those years was Hakeem.

If they had managed to put anything close to what guys like Jordan , Bird , Magic etc had around them he would've got it done easy, but he was just too loyal to Houston to do anything.

Hey at least he got 2 rings. :confusedshrug:

[riseagainst]

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:o

[Calabis]

Who said that? He was far more accomplished than either of them, that's for sure. :lol LOL @ 3 All-NBA teams (1st, 2nd or 3rd) for McHale and Parish combined.

So we are going to act like Mchale was not comparable to Pip...:facepalm
Look at peak Mchale

21/8
26/9
22/8
22/8

all this while shooting 57%, 60% twice, 54%

Possibly the best post offensive player ever, and damn good post defender as well.

That's not even including Parrish

[AceManIII]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5pfBLm_S3I
^^Even Jordan agrees! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Ne 1]

Kobe career teams:

- 8 HOF's (Payton, Malone, Gasol, Shaq, Rodman, Howard, Nash, Kobe )
- 11 All Stars(Van Exel, Jones, Artest, 8 HOF's)
- Best perimeter defender of his era Artest, multi DPOY Howard, Payton possible GOAT perimeter defender of all time, Jones 2x defensive teams, Shaq top 10 all-time block list
- two of the best clutch shooters ever Horry/Fisher
- Nash one of the best 3 point shooters ever :confusedshrug:

Anyone can play this stupid game


Jordan career teams:

- 7 HOF's (Gervin, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Gilmore, Parish, Jordan)

- 13 All-Stars (Cartwright, Oakley, Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, Rodman, Parish, (Gervin, Gilmore, Jordan, Hamilton, Laettner, Stackhouse

- GOAT perimeter defender Pippen, multi DPOY Rodman, Grant 4x defensive team Oakley 2x Defensive team, GOAT rebounder Rodman

- two of the best clutch shooters ever Paxon/Kerr

- Craig Hodges one of the best 3 point shooters ever

:cheers:

[unbreakable]

andgar is one of the most ignorant posters on this board...LMAO @ "jordan made them"

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DonDadda59]

What a silly thread :oldlol:

No incarnation of the 90s Bulls could be deemed a 'Superteam'. Solid, balanced, well-constructed are much more fitting terms. Dennis Rodman was a 'superstar'? Beast rebounder and great all around defensive player, but in order to qualify as a 'superstar' you need to be able to put up more than 6 PPG in at least one season :oldlol:

Using the OP's incredibly flawed reasoning, then this team is easily GOAT:

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/PHO/AAGC014.jpg

[Ne 1]

:roll:

Horace Grant is now a GREAT player...oh the lengths Kobefans go too:oldlol:

Was he not one of the best offensive rebounders of ALL time and not the best of his era (30-40% of his boards were offensive)? A stellar defender on top of that too.

He provided tough rebounding and defensive versatility. You always need a high activity, hard working workhorse like him to win. He could do anything from guarding pick and rolls, to pressing, to playing great post D to covering for teammates with elite help defense. Made what seemed like countless clutch defensive plays too. Didn't need the ball to be effective, he gets his points from his midrange shot, finishing around the rim and cleaning up offensive boards (always need a mix of players who are effective with and without the ball on your team). Very underrated interior passer in the triangle as well.

[scandisk_]

Grampabe stans goin crazy. Ima laugh my a$$ out if LA fails to win the ship this year :D

MJ and his super team = 6 titles :pimp:

grampabe and his super team = we'll see :lol

[TheeBeast]

grampabe and his super team = we'll see :lol

Yeah, laugh now :oldlol:

[Ne 1]

What a silly thread :oldlol:

No incarnation of the 90s Bulls could be deemed a 'Superteam'. Solid, balanced, well-constructed are much more fitting terms. Dennis Rodman was a 'superstar'? Beast rebounder and great all around defensive player, but in order to qualify as a 'superstar' you need to be able to put up more than 6 PPG in at least one season :oldlol:

Using the OP's incredibly flawed reasoning, then this team is easily GOAT:

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/PHO/AAGC014.jpg


http://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/LotImages/3/1112a_lg.jpeg

9 hall of famers.

[scandisk_]

Yeah, laugh now :oldlol:

nothing's a guarantee :oldlol:

we'll see :lol

[Poetry]

http://www.sportsblink.com/product_images/dennis-rodman-detroit-pistons-autographed-photograph-3341217.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LnucuXG%2BL._SL500_SS500_.jpg

DA WORM not a star??......

ntsrifsrs

He said Rodman was not a SUPERstar. He never said that Rodman wasn't a star.

There's a difference between being a superstar and a star and a (possibly one-and-done) all-star.

The term Superstar is reserved for the best of the best.

Certainly Rodman was a superstar "rebounder" and a hell of a defensive player, but what he lacked in other areas was too glaring to refer to him as a superstar.

At most he was an outstanding star.

[2010splash]

LeBron needs much more help than Jordan because he isn't as good. Jordan never had two #1 option talents like Wade and Bosh on his team and won 6 titles.

LeBron has two #1 options and only one ring to show for it. :roll:

[Nevaeh]

Kobe career teams:

- 8 HOF's (Payton, Malone, Gasol, Shaq, Rodman, Howard, Nash, Kobe )
- 11 All Stars(Van Exel, Jones, Artest, 8 HOF's)
- Best perimeter defender of his era Artest, multi DPOY Howard, Payton possible GOAT perimeter defender of all time, Jones 2x defensive teams, Shaq top 10 all-time block list
- two of the best clutch shooters ever Horry/Fisher
- Nash one of the best 3 point shooters ever :confusedshrug:

Anyone can play this stupid game

Also a 2 time Regular Season MVP winner, who's team knocked Kobe out of the Playoffs.....Twice.

[DaSeba5]

LeBron needs much more help than Jordan because he isn't as good. Jordan never had two #1 option talents like Wade and Bosh on his team and won 6 titles.

LeBron has two #1 options and only one ring to show for it. :roll:

They've only been together for two years.

[Ne 1]

http://www.sportsblink.com/product_images/dennis-rodman-detroit-pistons-autographed-photograph-3341217.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LnucuXG%2BL._SL500_SS500_.jpg

DA WORM not a star??......

ntsrifsrs
Also a 2x DPOY winner who knocked Jordan out of the playoffs 3 times.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Many players aren't superstar's by that standard to be honest.

Rodaman was a better overall defensive player and while he offered very little on offense, there have been superstars who've offered very little on offense.

Ben Wallace was clearly the best player on a championship team and he offered very little on offense.

Magic was a defensive liability.

:confusedshrug:

[KG215]

I think it's just gotten to the point where we're all just better off agreeing with everything the Kobe stans (kennethgriffin, Alphawolf24, Ne 1, riseagainst, Iron Fist, LakersReign) say. Maybe if we do, they'll think everyone agrees with them, and they'll stop making new Kobe d***riding threads every other day.

[SuperPippen]

Agreed. Even if you disregard Jordan, that squad was more than good enough to compete for a top seed. With Jordan, you have the most dominant team ever.

Still, these Lakers now possess an arguably better cast than those Bulls. Dwight alone would abuse anyone on their frontcourt other than Rodman, and the Lakers have got Gasol in addition to him.

These Lakers aren't going to be as dominant, though, because the league is more talented than it was back then.

However, I will still be very impressed with the Lakers if they manage to go through Miami and OKC for a championship.

[crisoner]

It was a great team yes but if you take Jordan out they would of been knocked out of the 2nd round for sure not competing for a top spot.

[Lebron23]

It was a great team yes but if you take Jordan out they would of been knocked out of the 2nd round for sure not competing for a top spot.


They won 55 games in the 1993-94 NBA season. The 1990's Bulls were a well rounded team. Harper averaged 20 ppg before he was traded to Chicago. Rodman for Purdue was one of the most lopsided trades in NBA History.

[Soundwave]

LeBron and Bosh are 28 though and Wade is 30.

That Bulls core was considerably older, winning titles when Jordan was 32, 33, and 34 (pretty impressive). Rodman was even older.

[swi7ch]

Jordan's greatest rivals were John Starks and Craig Ehlo :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Were you born in the 2000s?

Players Jordan denied of a title:

Barkley
Reggie
Ewing
Kemp (Payton would be here too if not for piggybacking on the 2006 MIA Heat)
Malone
Stockton

...list goes on and on. These aren't scrubs. These are Hall of Famers. Hakeem and Drexler would be here too had Jordan not reitred for 2 years and came back out of shape / out of rhythm.

[eliteballer]

LeBron and Bosh are 28 though and Wade is 30.

That Bulls core was considerably older, winning titles when Jordan was 32, 33, and 34 (pretty impressive). Rodman was even older.

The league as a whole was older at that point.

[DUP]

classic bulls were the shit

[Hands of Iron]

Were you born in the 2000s?

Players Jordan denied of a title:

Barkley
Reggie
Ewing
Kemp (Payton would be here too if not for piggybacking on the 2006 MIA Heat)
Malone
Stockton

...list goes on and on. These aren't scrubs. These are Hall of Famers. Hakeem and Drexler would be here too had Jordan not reitred for 2 years and came back out of shape / out of rhythm.

Stop it.

Hakeem is significantly better and more impactful by a long ways over any one of those players listed and pulled off two of the most impressive title runs in NBA history, back-to-back, bar none. He didn't need to beat Jordan.

8-peat? The last team to even make it to the Finals four consecutive years were the 1984-87 Boston Celtics and they were absolutely thrashed with injuries by '87. It's an incredibly difficult thing to do. Jordan's break may of been imposed, but it was definitely needed.

[The Iron Fist]

Do people actually deny this? I dont see how anyone who watched back then would disagree.

[OldSchoolBBall]

lol @ the OP and his constant agenda. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Yes, obviously.

It doesn't matter who the superstar of the team is. The rest of the team needs to be good. That goes for everybody, including Michael Jordan.

There are no bad teams who win championships.

[Smoke117]

The Bulls were not a "super team". Both Jordan and Pippen were drafted (Pippen a draft trade which is essentially the same thing) and the rights to Toni Kukoc were drafted. At the time they got that trade for Rodman, they got it because NOBODY WANTED HIM. He had the reputation of being a nightmare and being a chemistry killer. There is a reason that both Jordan and Pippen had to approve of the trade before it went down. All this talk of Ron Harper is a complete joke. He was a 20ppg player who was taking 18 shots a game to get his 20 points a night. His efficiency was horrible and the points he was putting up were empty stats on the Clippers who were a terrible team. Ron Harper was not a 20ppg player on any legit playoff team at that point in his career, period.

[Optimus Prime]

I don't get the point of this thread. Of course the Bulls teams (both threepeats) were super teams. You don't go on a run like that WITHOUT being a super team.

:kobe:

[swi7ch]

Stop it.

Hakeem is significantly better and more impactful by a long ways over any one of those players listed and pulled off two of the most impressive title runs in NBA history, back-to-back, bar none. He didn't need to beat Jordan.

8-peat? The last team to even make it to the Finals four consecutive years were the 1984-87 Boston Celtics and they were absolutely thrashed with injuries by '87. It's an incredibly difficult thing to do. Jordan's break may of been imposed, but it was definitely needed.
How come Hakeem (who I think is the GOAT center, btw) did not win before Jordan retired or after Jordan came back from retirement?

Jordan won every year he played a full season in the 90s.

No discussion there.

Jordan won every year in the 90s with Hakeem in the league whereas Hakeem only won when Jordan was out of the league (or did not have a full season).

I don't know how I can say this better as English is not my native language. :confusedshrug:

[eliteballer]

You give Hakeem Pippen for 12 years and he is winning a lot...

[Callystarr]

Jordan didnt make any of them. Pippen was one of the best players in the league in 94 and the 5th pick in the draft, Grant and BJ were allstars. Harper was 20/5/5 without Jordan, Rodman was a rebounding champ//multiple DPOY/multiple championship winner without Jordan

Well why don't we look at what these players did when Jordan wasn't around...

Horace Grant better with Chicago or Orlando?
Well Pippen of course had age....but he definitely got worse with Portland...
BJ Armstrong career practically ended when Jordan left...
Rodmans best years were with Chicago...
Kukoc...well what happened to him after Chicago...

Don't forget Pippen got better and better through his career by Jordans side..

[eliteballer]

Well why don't we look at what these players did when Jordan wasn't around...

Horace Grant better with Chicago or Orlando?
Well Pippen of course had age....but he definitely got worse with Portland...
BJ Armstrong career practically ended when Jordan left...
Rodmans best years were with Chicago...
Kukoc...well what happened to him after Chicago...

Don't forget Pippen got better and better through his career by Jordans side..

Grant beat the bulls on his way to the Finals in 95, and won a championship in 01 with the lakers.
Pippen had his best career year in 94
Kukoc put up better numbers after the Bulls broke up
Rodman's best years WERE NOT with Chicago, they were when he was winning DPOY's and rebounding titles with Detroit.

[Micku]

They were a well coached team with players who knew their roles. But they weren't a super team in terms of talent. There were teams that they faced who were more talented than them.

The Bulls did have solid role players.

[Vertical-24]

Jordan "made" them?

How do you make someone?

I wanna make someone. :banana:

[97 bulls]

They were a super team. Tthe difference is that players like Pippen and Kukoc spent most of their prime playing alongside Jordan. Soo they werent really able to accomplish much outside of what they diid with the Bulls.

But take Kukoc for instance. He really had one year (99) to lead a team. Did he do any worse than Bosh during his stint withh the Raptors? Then hes traded to Atlanta where he starts to dig the season avg 20/5/5 on 49% shooting. Then he gets traded to philly and plays alongside a blackhole in Iverson. Not to mention hes 33. And then fathertime got him.

I dont see what Pippen couldve done under the circumstance he was in in 94, and 95. 2nd in dpoy voting, while being the leading vote getter for allnba defense by coaches in 95. Led his team in every major category, something thats only been done two other times. He was 3rd in MVP award voting in 94. As well as allstar game MVP.

Rodman has accomplished more than enough to warrant his status.

[97 bulls]

Supporting casts?

Why was Hakeem able to lead the Rockets to the NBA Finals in his second season and stretch the Celtics to six games where as they'd swept Jordan? He also bombed on the defending champion Lakers in the WCF and Houston took them out in five. Look at what happened the following season: They completely dismantled. His rosters were either shit or developing for the majority of 1987-92 and he had some injury issues and trouble with management over that time period as well. In 1993, Tomjonavich begins running the offense as it should be through Hakeem and his passing sees stark improvement as well. They were good enough to reach the Finals that year... go watch that officiating debacle against Seattle. Waiting for them would've been Phoenix who as it was proven in both 1994 and 1995 had absolutely no answer for Olajuwon's impact on both ends. Trust me, I could never forget it. It isn't Olajuwon's problem Jordan retired in '94 or that he swept the team the following year that took out Chicago in six. MJ's post-season in '95 was arguably better than any of the 1996-98 years. The difference was a presence inside, around the rim that Grant had previously and Rodman would go on to provide.
Great post. I do think the Bulls beat the Rockets in 94 if Jordan doesnt retire, but without grant or Rodman, they jus werent good enough. The notion that Jordan was good enough to win championships with anyone, just baffles me. Especially when he didnt do it hid first seven years in the league.

[NumberSix]

They were a super team. Tthe difference is that players like Pippen and Kukoc spent most of their prime playing alongside Jordan. Soo they werent really able to accomplish much outside of what they diid with the Bulls.

But take Kukoc for instance. He really had one year (99) to lead a team. Did he do any worse than Bosh during his stint withh the Raptors? Then hes traded to Atlanta where he starts to dig the season avg 20/5/5 on 49% shooting. Then he gets traded to philly and plays alongside a blackhole in Iverson. Not to mention hes 33. And then fathertime got him.

I dont see what Pippen couldve done under the circumstance he was in in 94, and 95. 2nd in dpoy voting, while being the leading vote getter for allnba defense by coaches in 95. Led his team in every major category, something thats only been done two other times. He was 3rd in MVP award voting in 94. As well as allstar game MVP.

Rodman has accomplished more than enough to warrant his status.
You appear to be a Bulls fan. We don't see your kind very often. The type of rational poster that employs common sense at the expense of perpetuating the myth of Jordan binge a 1 man team who was slaying teams 1 on 5.

[Callystarr]

Grant beat the bulls on his way to the Finals in 95, and won a championship in 01 with the lakers.
Pippen had his best career year in 94
Kukoc put up better numbers after the Bulls broke up
Rodman's best years WERE NOT with Chicago, they were when he was winning DPOY's and rebounding titles with Detroit.

What year did Kukoc put up better numbers after? He never averaged over 13 points a game after his stellar final season with the Bulls..:rolleyes:

I'll give you Rodman..

Pippen was better with Jordan period...Jordan made him better, there was a significant drop in Pippens play when he left Chicago...clear as day, no way you can argue that.

Horace Grant again, across the board his play dropped when he left Chicago. Same if not more minutes, less points/rebounds/assists...what else do you need here. :facepalm

[Smoke117]

What year did Kukoc put up better numbers after? He never averaged over 13 points a game after his stellar final season with the Bulls..:rolleyes:

I'll give you Rodman..

Pippen was better with Jordan period...Jordan made him better, there was a significant drop in Pippens play when he left Chicago...clear as day, no way you can argue that.

Horace Grant again, across the board his play dropped when he left Chicago. Same if not more minutes, less points/rebounds/assists...what else do you need here. :facepalm

No shit? There was a significant drop in a player who was 33 with recurring back problems and knees that were starting to give out. Wow you must be some kind of genius to figure that out. Fact of the matter is Pippen was better WITHOUT Jordan in 94 and 95 when he was actually young and not beat up from years of wear and tear and with a back that was never going to get better and two knees that were getting progressively worse like when he left the Bulls to the Rockets and then to the Blazers. Conclusion: You're a ****ing retard.

[eliteballer]

What year did Kukoc put up better numbers after? He never averaged over 13 points a game after his stellar final season with the Bulls..:rolleyes:

I'll give you Rodman..

Pippen was better with Jordan period...Jordan made him better, there was a significant drop in Pippens play when he left Chicago...clear as day, no way you can argue that.

Horace Grant again, across the board his play dropped when he left Chicago. Same if not more minutes, less points/rebounds/assists...what else do you need here. :facepalm

Kukoc's highest scoring season was 18 a game in 2000....when Jordan was retired.

Pippens best season was 1994. By accolades and numbers. Theres no denying it.

Grant's stats stayed pretty much the same in Orlando, playing WITH Shaq downlow.

You'e completely ignorant. Stop:coleman:

[eliteballer]

No shit? There was a significant drop in a player who was 33 with recurring back problems and knees that were starting to give out. Wow you must be some kind of genius to figure that out. Fact of the matter is Pippen was better WITHOUT Jordan in 94 and 95 when he was actually young and not beat up from years of wear and tear and with a back that was never going to get better and two knees that were getting progressively worse like when he left the Bulls to the Rockets and then to the Blazers. Conclusion: You're a ****ing retard.

:applause:

[DatAsh]

They were a super team. Tthe difference is that players like Pippen and Kukoc spent most of their prime playing alongside Jordan. Soo they werent really able to accomplish much outside of what they diid with the Bulls.

But take Kukoc for instance. He really had one year (99) to lead a team. Did he do any worse than Bosh during his stint withh the Raptors? Then hes traded to Atlanta where he starts to dig the season avg 20/5/5 on 49% shooting. Then he gets traded to philly and plays alongside a blackhole in Iverson. Not to mention hes 33. And then fathertime got him.

I dont see what Pippen couldve done under the circumstance he was in in 94, and 95. 2nd in dpoy voting, while being the leading vote getter for allnba defense by coaches in 95. Led his team in every major category, something thats only been done two other times. He was 3rd in MVP award voting in 94. As well as allstar game MVP.

Rodman has accomplished more than enough to warrant his status.

Pippen I completely agree with, and he probably should have won DPOY in 1995. It's kind of a shame that Jordan has a DPOY and Pippen doesn't despite most people considering Pippen to be the overall better defensive player.

Kukok I disagree with, to me he's not even close to the caliber of player that Cris Bosh is. Bosh is a legit 25/11 player as a first option; Tony Kukoc was never really on that level.

Rodman is DRASTICALLY underrated here. If you haven't already read "The Case for Dennis Rodman", I advise you to do so. He had fallen off quite a bit by the time he got to Chicago, but even still there weren't many players that I'd take over him that year(considering you already have two great scorers in Jordan and Pippen).

That team was absolutely a super team. You don't go 72-10, and then go on to 3-peat without being a super team. Sorry, but no one player is that good, not even Jordan.

[Asukal]

You've either got a super team or you're playing in a weak era of basketball. Jordan wasn't even prime from 1996-98. That ended in 1993 and I'd be SHOCKED if the likes of Da Realist, OldSchoolBBall or Calabis disagreed there. I'd hope most MJ/Bulls fans would decide that it's the former, because people aren't going to let you have your cake and eat it too. Not everybody has the blinders on. I don't know anybody who wants to believe their favorite team or player dominated a weak ass era or time period.

Sure it is a super team, that much I agree with. Its not an all star team, but they are a super team with their great team chemistry and defense, and lead by the best player in the game. Weak era? Not as good as the early 90s but can not be considered a weak era. Let's see if Lebron can lead his team and win a three peat at the age of 33-35 when he loses a lot of his athleticism. :rockon:

[andgar923]

People forget that in their second 3peat run they weren't even favored vs some match ups let alone win. There was other good teams out there, it wasn't like the Bulls had all the talent and the rest of the league was empty. That's actually one of their biggest motivations. Then we have the off the court issues that would've caused almost every single team to collapse. Shit... the fact that Rodman could even be counted on to show up to games was a major victory.

But the biggest omission by these Kobetards (yes... most of these idiots are kObe morons) was the fact that the Bulls won 6 f*ckin titles without a dominant big man.

Almost every single NBA champ has had a dominant front court player, the Bulls NADA.

MJ was the Bulls' post universe during their 2nd Three-peat (that's right kids... 2 f*ckin 3peats).

But somebody touched on the most important point (which was ignored by these Kobetards). The difference between the Bulls and today's super teams is the fact that today's super teams were created while they were already very accomplished all stars, and had established themselves in the league while still extremely valuable commodities.

The only player the Bulls obtained was Rodman, and I wouldn't call him a valuable commodity. There was no sweepstakes on who was gonna take him a la Dwight Howard, Nash, Bosh, Ray, etc.etc. shit... most teams were avoiding him due to his off the court issues and uncontrollable nature.

Fact is, these Kobetards have been mad as f*ck as of late. They have nothing better to do then to attempt to discredit everybody and everything in order to prop up their boy crush. If the Lakers win, they know Kobe won't be the best player, and they know that Kobe will get labeled in teh same way that Bron and the Celtics were. The writing on the wall has been made even clearer now, Bron is the best player in the league and will eclipse him on the all time ranking list soon enough.

[Asukal]

^The hate and insecurity is strong in this one. :rolleyes:

[andgar923]

^The hate and insecurity is strong in this one. :rolleyes:
Yeah very mad.:mad:

[DatAsh]

He just doesn't view it as an insult to Jordan, who I'm sure he considers the GOAT from an individual standpoint. Jordan played Phenomenal in the 1995 playoffs, period. Saying anything less would be more insulting IMO. It would've been more than good enough with a PF such as Grant or Rodman and very much proved to be for the second three-peat.

Ehh I kind of disagree. Jordan played great in 95 for sure, but both second and first three-peat Jordan were quite a bit better. While I do think the Bulls would probably win in 94 had Jordan stayed, no version of Jordan is beating the Rockets in 95. It's just not happening. The Rockets would have slaughtered them on the inside.

[DatAsh]

You've either got a super team or you're playing in a weak era of basketball. Jordan wasn't even prime from 1996-98. That ended in 1993 and I'd be SHOCKED if the likes of Da Realist, OldSchoolBBall or Calabis disagreed there. I'd hope most MJ/Bulls fans would decide that it's the former, because people aren't going to let you have your cake and eat it too. Not everybody has the blinders on. I don't know anybody who wants to believe their favorite team or player dominated a weak ass era or time period.

I actually really respect DaRealist as a poster. I haven't been on this board for all that long, but from the posts I've read of his, he seems very knowledgeable. You can tell he loves Jordan and the Bulls, but I don't really see bias in his posts.

[DatAsh]

Exactly.

If it isn't a super team, do you guys see Jordan getting his ass thrashed by the current Heat and Lakers? Steamrolled by 1980s Celtics and Lakers? Would you concede that he doesn't stand a chance if he had to face these teams. I really doubt that you would. Why would you ever in your life bet against the greatest player in the game with a great supporting cast?

I'm a huge Jordan fan, I saw his career from beginning to end, but I've never understood the need to constantly try to degrade his teammates to prop him up.

It's something that really irks me, and it's something I'm noticing a lot with Kobe fans as well.

[97 bulls]

Pippen I completely agree with, and he probably should have won DPOY in 1995. It's kind of a shame that Jordan has a DPOY and Pippen doesn't despite most people considering Pippen to be the overall better defensive player.

Kukok I disagree with, to me he's not even close to the caliber of player that Cris Bosh is. Bosh is a legit 25/11 player as a first option; Tony Kukoc was never really on that level.

Rodman is DRASTICALLY underrated here. If you haven't already read "The Case for Dennis Rodman", I advise you to do so. He had fallen off quite a bit by the time he got to Chicago, but even still there weren't many players that I'd take over him that year(considering you already have two great scorers in Jordan and Pippen).

That team was absolutely a super team. You don't go 72-10, and then go on to 3-peat without being a super team. Sorry, but no one player is that good, not even Jordan.
Lets discuss Kukoc then. First, Kukoc was never gonna be a 25ppg scorer. But I do feel had he played on another team with a bigger role, hed get 19/21 ppg and 7/8 assists. He avg 7 assists in 99 passing to an old Ron Harper, Brent Barry and co.

The problem as i see it is bosh and kukoc had two different styles. But that doesnt dictate who would be a better franchise player. In 99, Kukoc led the Bulls to 13 in a strike shortened season with as i said thats roughly 22 wins over an 82 game season. Thats a little worse than the Bosh led Raptors. But he did have much better players alongside him.

I say this to say. If Kukoc had better players (players similar to Boshes players in Toronto) hed probably fair better than Bosh

[97 bulls]

The sad part about this is we know how the Bulls wouldve faired withhout Jordan. They were very successful. And the yet here we are arguing how successful the Bulls would be without Jordan

[97 bulls]

I'd probably be inclined to agree, although the Bulls going on another extremely deep post-season run along with the level of play Olajuwon was exhibiting gives me a little pause. And why do we think the Bulls would likely win in '94 but not '95? Would they finally tire out then... or does Horace Grant being a presence inside have something to do with it? Good thing the Rockets still had Thorpe in '94 to keep things balanced. The Knicks obviously were fully capable fighting the Bulls tooth and nail -- That was just a rugged, savage team. You don't take Mike and Scottie seven games in '92 and then jump out to a 2-0 lead the following year (Rare bad shooting night for Jordan in Game 3) without being pretty damn good. I'd think the Bulls would pull it out but in Jordan's only seven-game Finals. '94 Olajuwon is greater than '91 Magic, '92 Drexler, '93 Barkley, '96 GP-Kemp, '97-'98 Malone. In fact, he's just a lot better than all of them at any point sans possibly Magic. By a significant margin imo...and there's nobody to check him.
I dont know about this bro. The Bulls without Jordan lost in seven games to a knick team that was one decent John Starks game away from beating the Rockets in seven.

[KOBE143]

Yup that team carried Jordan ass to 6 rings..

[Soundwave]

The sad part about this is we know how the Bulls wouldve faired withhout Jordan. They were very successful. And the yet here we are arguing how successful the Bulls would be without Jordan

Define "very successful".

They won 1 whopping playoff round without Jordan and had one season where they played above their heads or at least where people expected.

The next season they were a fairly mediocre team that would've ended up being a 8th/9th seed without Jordan.

You really honestly think the Bulls would've won anything again if MJ stays in baseball? Indiana or New York would've owned the East, but really Orlando should've been the heir apparent if they could've convinced Diesel to stay.

The '96 Finals would've been Orlando-Seattle, with the Magic probably winning the championship, and then Shaq would've been hard pressed to leave.

Really the folks in Orlando got screwed out of a probable basketball dynasty because of a baseball strike, lol.

[DatAsh]

I think the Bulls would win in another grueling war against New York. The difference to me in regards to Bulls/Rockets is that New York had one of the best defensive front courts in the NBA to throw at Hakeem in that series, who still made good overall and kept Ewing to an absolutely abysmal series offensively.

I don't know, I don't disagree outright, but I do disagree. I think the 94 Bulls would have been better than the 93 Bulls, mainly due to Pippen coming in to his prime (and Jordan still being in his). If the Bulls can take the Knicks to a cut throat, down to the wire, seven game series without Jordan, I don't see that same team with Jordan having anywhere near as much trouble.

[97 bulls]

Define "very successful".

They won 1 whopping playoff round without Jordan and had one season where they played above their heads or at least where people expected.

The next season they were a fairly mediocre team that would've ended up being a 8th/9th seed without Jordan.

You really honestly think the Bulls would've won anything again if MJ stays in baseball? Indiana or New York would've owned the East, but really Orlando should've been the heir apparent if they could've convinced Diesel to stay.

The '96 Finals would've been Orlando-Seattle, with the Magic probably winning the championship, and then Shaq would've been hard pressed to leave.

Really the folks in Orlando got screwed out of a probable basketball dynasty because of a baseball strike, lol.
Very succesful in that they overachieved. They wouldn't have won without Jordan. But if I didnt witness 94, and just listened to some people in this forum, Id believe the Bulls were a slightly better version of the Bobcats without Jordan.

[Soundwave]

I don't know, I don't disagree outright, but I do disagree. I think the 94 Bulls would have been better than the 93 Bulls, mainly due to Pippen coming in to his prime (and Jordan still being in his). If the Bulls can take the Knicks to a cut throat, down to the wire, seven game series without Jordan, I don't see that same team with Jordan having anywhere near as much trouble.

The Knicks took the '92 Bulls to seven games too, but could never beat them with Jordan.

"Almost" doesn't count for sh*t in the NBA. You either win or you don't.

The '94 Knicks were notorious for letting opponents back into series' too.

The Pacers took them to 7 games the very next round (a series in which the Knicks were up 2-0), are they a superteam too?

The Knicks had the Rockets on the ropes in the NBA Finals too. Couldn't finish the deal.

So yeah, it was great that the Bulls were able to put up such a good fight against the Knicks, but lets not act like that was some kind of miracle. The Knicks had a habit of taking their foot off the gas pedal all playoffs long that year, the infamous Reggie Miller comeback in that series is one of the most shocking collapses in NBA history.

For whatever reason, the Knicks that year just couldn't kill an opponent when they had them down, they let the Bulls, Pacers, and Rockets all back into series' that they were firmly in control of, sometimes in the most ridiculous fashion. They finally got burned for it by the Rockets.

[97 bulls]

But your favorite Larry Legend and his loaded team of Stacked, Oh My Gawd Hall of Famers could only manage 42-40 when he involuntarily went down for an entire season after a 57-25 year. You'd think 2/3 of the Greatest Front Court Ever could do better than that... or is it only the greatest front court with him in it?

Bird made concessions and determined that he wasn't going to enter the draft unless the Lakers won a coin flip with Chicago for the top pick and he knew he'd get to play with Top 5 ATG and Best in the Game Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Oh Wait.
Youre preaching to the chior bro. Ive been saying the same thing on this forum for thee longest

[Soundwave]

Very succesful in that they overachieved. They wouldn't have won without Jordan. But if I didnt witness 94, and just listened to some people in this forum, Id believe the Bulls were a slightly better version of the Bobcats without Jordan.

No one said they'd be the Bobcats, but honestly they wouldn't be anything *that* special either.

They'd be a notch below the Pacers/Knicks/Magic and the eventual Miami Heat (Zo + Hardaway) in the East if Jordan had never come back even if they kept Grant. Do you consider the 90s Miami Heat teams to be special?

Without Grant, they would barely be a playoff team/1st round fodder until Pippen probably got pissed off enough to demand a trade or sign elsewhere.

[sekachu]

Are you saying the Bulls werent really that great of a team outside of Jordan?




They were certainly good but overrated by the kobe stan with obvious agenda.


Pippen- No question that he was a phenomenal all around and undisputed one of the greatest perimeter player.

Horace Grant- He was a good role player. He was a guy giving all out every single games. He had his best days with the bulls before he left.

BJ- He was a good role player. One of the best 3 pointer.

Dennis Rodman- He was an excellent role player with his great defensive skill, playing mind game. He had his great day with piston but he had much better accomplishment and gained much higher acknowledgment during in the bulls

Ron Harper- He was a decent all star before his knee injury. He was still a good player but not a star anymore when joining the bulls. He perfectly fit into the triangle system as a good role player

Toni kukco- One of the best sixth man

Steve kerr- One of the best 3 pointer shooter and probably no other teams could used him as well as the bulls.


Aside Pippen. They are good player but when you put these players together playing along side with MJ and Pippen, they become a super team which exceeded our expectation from them.

[AAckley1]

The Bulls were a super team in the sense that the Thunder are a super team, not Miami, Lakers or Knicks. The Bulls nailed a large percentage of their picks, absolutely nailed them. Did some of that come from having the most competitive athlete of all time pushing them harder than anyone else ever had? Absolutely. But Micheal Jordan didn't "make" any player, he simply refused to allow them to give less than 100%.

They drafted 22 year old Kukoc, who had already been playing at an elite international level for the vaunted Jugoplastik team. The 3 years between the Bulls drafting him and arriving stateside, he won a combined 9 MVPs, Player of the Years, or Mr. Europas.

Pippen was almost like the late 80s version of Anthony Davis in the sense he spent most of high school playing guard before experiencing an unexpected growth spurt pushing him to 6'8. He was explosive, had great dribbling skills with either hands and had retained the defensive reflexes of his guard days. Pippen was the equivalent to a 5 tool outfielder prospect in baseball, and immediately became a perfect compliment to Jordan. It seemed like nearly every Jordan off the ball steal came from Scottie applying excellent perimeter defense.

[Asukal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaslgUIErC0&feature=plcp

Watch this and understand why the Bulls is a "super team". Prime Shaq in it too. :cheers:

[scandisk_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaslgUIErC0&feature=plcp

Watch this and understand why the Bulls is a "super team". Prime Shaq in it too. :cheers:

I guess some of the people here doesn't really get the idea of a superteam. It's not just all around talent people, the Bulls where considered a superteam because of their level of play collectively, immaculate team chemistry and having arguably the greatest coaching staff in NBA history. Not really that stacked by any means but super deadly as a team.

[aceman]

Dennis Rodman was a 'superstar'? Beast rebounder and great all around defensive player, but in order to qualify as a 'superstar' you need to be able to put up more than 6 PPG in at least one season :oldlol:

why??

[aceman]

No one said they'd be the Bobcats, but honestly they wouldn't be anything *that* special either.


1994 proved the bulls were still among the best teams in the nba even without jordan

[Blue&Orange]

Pippen was the 5th pick in the draft, an MVP caliber player in 94. Rodman was a multiple DPOY/rebounding champ without Jordan. The Bulls had the 3 superstar template.
Pippen is on record saying that he was the player he was because Jordan push him to be, he went to the Bulls traded for Olden Polynice, that's right Olden Polynice, and Rodman went to the bulls because no one else wanted him, he was a 34 year old nuisance.

Are people really comparing a rookie traded for Olden Polynice and a 34 year old league reject with proven superstars in their prime???



Jordan never refused to play for the team he was drafted so that he could go to a team that guaranteed him more rings.

Jordan never team up with anybody.

Jordan was never gifted superstars by other team GM's, when those GM's had better deals on the table.


Lebron and Kobe can't say the same. Lebron & Kobe career ring chasers and chokers.

[riseagainst]

Pippen is on record saying that he was the player he was because Jordan push him to be, he went to the Bulls traded for Olden Polynice, that's right Olden Polynice, and Rodman went to the bulls because no one else wanted him, he was a 34 year old nuisance.

Are people really comparing a rookie traded for Olden Polynice and a 34 year old league reject with proven superstars in their prime???



Jordan never refused to play for the team he was drafted so that he could go to a team that guaranteed him more rings.

Jordan never team up with anybody.

Jordan was never gifted superstars by other team GM's, when those GM's had better deals on the table.


Lebron and Kobe can't say the same. Lebron & Kobe career ring chasers and chokers.


you have to explain this one. :wtf:

[Asukal]

Pippen is on record saying that he was the player he was because Jordan push him to be, he went to the Bulls traded for Olden Polynice, that's right Olden Polynice, and Rodman went to the bulls because no one else wanted him, he was a 34 year old nuisance.

Are people really comparing a rookie traded for Olden Polynice and a 34 year old league reject with proven superstars in their prime???



Jordan never refused to play for the team he was drafted so that he could go to a team that guaranteed him more rings.

Jordan never team up with anybody.

Jordan was never gifted superstars by other team GM's, when those GM's had better deals on the table.


Lebron and Kobe can't say the same. Lebron & Kobe career ring chasers and chokers.

This I disagree with. It's not Kobe's fault the Lakers is a great franchise
to play for. Lebron on the other hand.... not 1 not 2 not 3.... :rolleyes:

[Ne 1]

Kobe career ring chasers

:wtf:

Kobe's played for the same team for 16 ****ing years!

[Da_Realist]

The Bulls were a super team in the sense that the Thunder are a super team, not Miami, Lakers or Knicks. The Bulls nailed a large percentage of their picks, absolutely nailed them. Did some of that come from having the most competitive athlete of all time pushing them harder than anyone else ever had? Absolutely. But Micheal Jordan didn't "make" any player, he simply refused to allow them to give less than 100%.

This. A thousand times over.

Here's what Steve Kerr said about why the Bulls won 72 games (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91136)

"There was so much pressure on Michael," said Kerr when I grilled him about the fight. "There were all these articles in the papers reminding Michael that he didn't play well in the playoffs last season, wondering if he could return to what he was. There was pressure from the outside, pressure he put on himself." Jordan's teammates could feel that pressure the way animals can sense an approaching tornado. "He came into camp like a man possessed," Kerr continued. "Every practice, every shooting drill, everything was just a huge competition. He was so competitive that it just set the tone for our season. We all had to be that competitive every day."

[Asukal]

This. A thousand times over.

Here's what Steve Kerr said about why the Bulls won 72 games (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91136)

"There was so much pressure on Michael," said Kerr when I grilled him about the fight. "There were all these articles in the papers reminding Michael that he didn't play well in the playoffs last season, wondering if he could return to what he was. There was pressure from the outside, pressure he put on himself." Jordan's teammates could feel that pressure the way animals can sense an approaching tornado. "He came into camp like a man possessed," Kerr continued. "Every practice, every shooting drill, everything was just a huge competition. He was so competitive that it just set the tone for our season. We all had to be that competitive every day."

He was the leader no doubt about that. :applause:

[BlueandGold]

96 team was the best NBA non all-star, non-olympic team ever assembled. They had no matchups problems and were a matchup nightmare for every team in the league.

You had 4 players who would all essentially guard 3 if not 4 positions, and the worm who could literally guard all 5.

Harper
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman

GG