Controversial Basketball opinion thread

[Freedom Kid7]

Post opinions that you think are true but other people find blasphemous.
-I do not think the 96 Bulls are the greatest team of all time

[kurt_rambis]

shorts are too long nowadays. 80s shorts were too short. bring back early 90s shorts

[RoundMoundOfReb]

shorts are too long nowadays. 80s shorts were too short. bring back early 90s shorts
I agree with this. It's harder to play with baggy shorts imo.

[Deuce Bigalow]

MJ, Magic, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and Hakeem have had better careers than Wilt. Placing Wilt 10th all-time.

[Gabuyaux]

The Bulls are overrated.

[stolper]

Olajuwon is the most overrated player on ISH.

[ihoopallday]

The Lakers won't get past OKC. Don't know if that's too controversial.

[bmd]

shorts are too long nowadays. 80s shorts were too short. bring back early 90s shortsShorts are shorter now than they were in the early '00's.

Now:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0807/nba.teams.on.the.move/images/hornets-lj-chris-paul.jpg


Then:

http://counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/allen-iverson-reebok-answer-IV-3.jpg

[swag2011]

Westbrook is just as good as Durant. Yea, yea yea point to his poor efficiency, but i think defenses are worried about him just as much as Durant imo. He's explosive as hell, and teams really don't have an answer for him. Only thing he needs to work on is his decision making, then he'd be really unstoppable.

[fsvr54]

Kobe is extremely overrated. And not close to top 20 in terms of TALENT. Many players can do what he does, they just don't have the audacity to chuck so much

[AK47DR91]

Steve Nash is the most overrated player of the last 15 years.
Doc Rivers was an average player and is an average head coach.
Vlade Divac is one of the best centers(Top 10) of the last 20 years.
Gary Payton is the best point guard of the last 20 years.
Blake Griffin is poor man's Shawn Kemp.

I have more but that'll do for now.

[TheeBeast]

Kobe is still the best mid range shooter in the league and also the best scorer

[JaggerCommaMick]

Kobes overall impact and personal achievement dont stack up anywhere close to the rest of players in most peoples top 10. The Lakers made Kobe not vice versa. If I need to win a post season with a neutral team I would take Nash, Robinson, Dirk and others over Chuckbe.

[AK47DR91]

Shorts are shorter now than they were in the early '00's.

Now:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0807/nba.teams.on.the.move/images/hornets-lj-chris-paul.jpg


Then:

http://counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/allen-iverson-reebok-answer-IV-3.jpg
FAIL!

LJ pic is from the early 90's. Iverson wasn't in the league until '96, and he wasn't wearing that on the court. :oldlol:

[bmd]

FAIL!

LJ pic is from the early 90's. Iverson wasn't in the league until '96, and he wasn't wearing that on the court. :oldlol:1. Guy I was responding to said he wishes the shorts now were the length they were in the early 90's.

2. I posted a pic of LJ and Chris Paul showing that the short length now is pretty similar to what it was in the early 90's, and the pic of AI was to show that the trend has actually been going back towards shorter shorts compared to the early '00's.

3. I know Iverson didn't wear shorts THAT long in a game... but I was just showing what the style used to be 10 years ago.

[Freedom Kid7]

Oh, and on that note
-Allen Iverson was not the best little man despite what some people say (I think Isiah Thomas was)

[atljonesbro]

80s and 90s basketball fans are delusional and think anyone in their era is a GOD compared to this era.

80s and 90s era is OVERRATED AS HELL because every player is put on this pedestal and sucked off by all the worshipers of the era.

In 20-30 years we will be the old, pathetic, bitter men worshiping the 00s-10s era like the old, pathetic, bitter men worshiping the 80s and 90s now

[AK47DR91]

1. Guy I was responding to said he wishes the shorts now were the length they were in the early 90's.

2. I posted a pic of LJ and Chris Paul showing that the short length now is pretty similar to what it was in the early 90's, and the pic of AI was to show that the trend has actually been going back towards shorter shorts compared to the early '00's.

3. I know Iverson didn't wear shorts THAT long in a game... but I was just showing what the style used to be 10 years ago.Fail on my part. I didn't mistook early 00's for early 90's.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Michael Jordan is not the best player of all time.

[Heavincent]

Kobe is extremely overrated. And not close to top 20 in terms of TALENT. Many players can do what he does, they just don't have the audacity to chuck so much

This is the controversial opinion thread, not the blatantly retarded opinion thread.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Charles Barkley is better than Kobe Bryant

[Deuce Bigalow]

This is the controversial opinion thread, not the blatantly retarded opinion thread.
:oldlol: :applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Charles Barkley is better than Kobe Bryant
The same Charles Barkley that ranks Kobe 6th all-time?

[andgar923]

Nick Van Exel was exciting.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

The same Charles Barkley that ranks Kobe 6th all-time?

If that's the same Charles Barkley as the one that's a better player than Kobe Bryant, yes.

[Deuce Bigalow]

If that's the same Charles Barkley as the one that's a better player than Kobe Bryant, yes.
Can you give me the numbers and accomplishments that each put up when they led their team to the NBA Finals?

[StateOfMind12]

Lebron's peak is top 5-6 worthy, 2nd best perimeter peak only behind Michael Jordan.

Pau Gasol is above Chris Webber in the all-time list.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Can you give me the numbers and accomplishments that each put up when they led their team to the NBA Finals?

I don't base my opinion on popularity awards and team accomplishments.

[AK47DR91]

I don't consider championships and stats from pre-Bird and Magic era to be worth of much value. Or any at all.

So in my mind, it could easily be:
1. Lakers 10 championships
2. Bulls 6 championships
3a. Celtics 4 championships
3b. Spurs 4 championships
5. Pistons 3 championships

[Pushxx]

Hondo is the fourth best SF of all time. Not that controversial to me but apparently for ISH it is.

[Legends66NBA7]

Karl Malone is the most overrated player of all-time.

[PHILA]

'67 Sixers are as good as any team in league history. This should not be a controversial opinion.

[Umad101]

Bill russell is overated and would be garbage in this era

[AK47DR91]

Jerry West should no longer be the logo.

Magic should! Or Michael, or Kareem.

It ain't a white man's game anymore.

[BoutPractice]

Effectiveness trumps skill and flashy play, every time of every day.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Current NBA star sistem ruins the game.

[kurt_rambis]

1. Guy I was responding to said he wishes the shorts now were the length they were in the early 90's.

2. I posted a pic of LJ and Chris Paul showing that the short length now is pretty similar to what it was in the early 90's, and the pic of AI was to show that the trend has actually been going back towards shorter shorts compared to the early '00's.

3. I know Iverson didn't wear shorts THAT long in a game... but I was just showing what the style used to be 10 years ago.

that LJ pic looks like it's from the mid 90s, when shorts were getting too long for my tastes

i agree that there has been a trend of shorts getting shorter since the early 00s, but most guys still wear them either at the knee, just above the knee, or just below the knee. i want all shorts well above the knee

the dream team had it right. perfect shorts length for most of these guys

http://i47.tinypic.com/fyzcb6.jpg

as opposed to lebron and wade

http://i46.tinypic.com/aouhdk.jpg

[andgar923]

that LJ pic looks like it's from the mid 90s, when shorts were getting too long for my tastes

i agree that there has been a trend of shorts getting shorter since the early 00s, but most guys still wear them either at the knee, just above the knee, or just below the knee. i want all shorts well above the knee

the dream team had it right. perfect shorts length for most of these guys

http://i47.tinypic.com/fyzcb6.jpg

as opposed to lebron and wade

http://i46.tinypic.com/aouhdk.jpg

I honestly prefer 'wearing' the Bron Wade length shorts

[andgar923]

Has Ewing ever smiled or shown any other human reaction besides that?

[CavaliersFTW]

shorts are too long nowadays. 80s shorts were too short. bring back early 90s shorts
I agree with this too, I think the baggy sh*t looks dumb

[CavaliersFTW]

Bill russell is overated and would be garbage in this era
lol it's a controversial opinion thread not a troll thread

[Kews1]

Kevin Garnett > Kobe Bryant :rockon:

[Xiao Yao You]

I agree with this too, I think the baggy sh*t looks dumb

Yep hard to believe that fashion has lasted so long.

Apparently it is controversial to say that the Jazz are deeper than the almighty Clipps or that Artest is an idiot. Still got some asswipe trolling me over those statements!

[Glide2keva]

Kobe is the luckiest player in NBA history. No player has been gifted so much Hall of Fame level talent throughout their career.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I don't consider championships and stats from pre-Bird and Magic era to be worth of much value. Or any at all.

So in my mind, it could easily be:
1. Lakers 10 championships
2. Bulls 6 championships
3a. Celtics 4 championships
3b. Spurs 4 championships
5. Pistons 3 championships

I don't consider the Sonics' title to be the Thunder's title, so I don't consider the Minneapolis Lakers' titles to count towards the LA Lakers' titles. LAL are on 11 titles.

[Rake2204]

Shorts are shorter now than they were in the early '00's.

Now:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0807/nba.teams.on.the.move/images/hornets-lj-chris-paul.jpg

To be fair, that's not exactly an updated picture of Chris Paul and I do not feel it's a true representation of how players generally wear their shorts now or in 2007, of which I'm guessing is the general era rom which the first Paul photo derives.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2007/11/chris-paul-kobe-bryant-425.jpg

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/136010869_crop_650x440.jpg

[Mr Exlax]

I don't feel like Jordan is the GOAT. He didn't win a chip until the Bulls were blessed with 2 of the top 10 picks in a draft one year.

[SilkkTheShocker]

-Iwould rather build around Dirk than KG. Not convinced you can win a title with KG taking the big shots
-Lebron's Prime>>>>Kobe's Prime
-08 Celtics are very overrated. Got taken to 7 games by 2 crap teams and beat an injured Lakers team
-Bill Russell Era was watered down garbage
-Ewing's early Knick teams were nothing special. They had a ton of 90s nostalgia players, but they were flawed. Hard-working role players that weren't consistent at generating offense. John Starks = Mo Williams.
-Dwight Howard is incredibly underrated.
- Nash will never play in an NBA Finals.
-Dirk's 2011 Finals team was the least talented Finals team we have seen in awhile. Winning with that team was an amazing achievement.
-Rick Adelman has always been an overrated coach. His teams have a history of choking/imploding
-Even if he played on talented teams, Tmac would never have made much noise. He didn't have a winning mentality and was poor leader
-Deron Williams is the most overrated player in the NBA right now
-Westbrook>>>>>Rose

[Rubio2Gasol]

Rondo is the best Point Guard in the game.

@Slikk You're wrong about Adleman, the ball movement system he implemented in Sacramento is probably the best the NBA has ever seen, certainly the best I;ve seen since I started watching ball.

The couldve won a chip but Kobe just went Nuclear in 01 and in 02 everyone saw that the refs f**ked them over.

Very very sad that they never won their ring, my favorite team of all time , watching them was amazing.

[Glide2keva]

I don't feel like Jordan is the GOAT. He didn't win a chip until the Bulls were blessed with 2 of the top 10 picks in a draft one year.You're an idiot. They drafted Horace Grant and traded for Scottie Pippen on draft night. Get your facts straight. Scottie was an unknown player from a small college that no one knew what he would become.

This is some hating ass shit right here.

You want to talk about gifted teammates, check all the HOF'ers Kobe was gifted through his 16 year career.

[liquidrage]

2012 US team would crush the 92 team. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds in 20 years. There is no chance the 92 team could guard Lebron or Durant, or even Westbrook or Paul. The 2012 team shoots the 3 much better. Overall is far better defensively. Is way more skilled and athletic.

[Punpun]

I believe Lebron is better than Kobe.

[Mr Exlax]

You're an idiot. They drafted Horace Grant and traded for Scottie Pippen on draft night. Get your facts straight. Scottie was an unknown player from a small college that no one knew what he would become.

This is some hating ass shit right here.

You want to talk about gifted teammates, check all the HOF'ers Kobe was gifted through his 16 year career.

Hey numbnuts I didn't say the Bulls drafted them. Moron. I said that they were blessed with 2 of the top 10 picks. Can you not read? This isn't up for dispute you idiot. There's no changing my mind.

[riseagainst]

in terms of basketball talents, kobe is a top 10 all time. in terms of basketball skills, kobe is the 2nd GOAT, edging out by a hair over michael jordan, with larry bird as 1st.
in terms of everything, kobe is 7-8 all time.
kobe's peak ~ lebron peak
rondo is a top 5 player in the league right now and is the best PG in the league.

[riseagainst]

You're an idiot. They drafted Horace Grant and traded for Scottie Pippen on draft night. Get your facts straight. Scottie was an unknown player from a small college that no one knew what he would become.

This is some hating ass shit right here.

You want to talk about gifted teammates, check all the HOF'ers Kobe was gifted through his 16 year career.

LOL you don't hate on Kobe, you hate on his stans? Cause I didn't see anything in his post that mentioned Kobe. Talk about getting exposed for your agenda. :lol
And you can use the HOF argument for alot of superstars. Talk about agenda backfire. :lol

[Optimus Prime]

Wilt would have more rings than Russell if he had played on the most stacked team ever in sports history like Russell did.

:kobe:

[swag2011]

I feel we as fans have been robbed of seeing Kobe's prime. Well, what i mean by that is imagine if he had Gasol from 05-07 rather than 08-10. Imagine his playoff run if he actually had some help? Shit wouldve been crazy. Keep in mind this was the time he was scoring like 40, 50, 60 points every game.

i think that's part of the reason Kobe's "prime" gets ranked so low because we base alot of people's prime on how far they made it into playoffs, if they won rings then etc. Look at it like this. Lebron just won a ring in his absolute prime. Jordan won rings in his prime. Shaq won rings in his prime. All were at their best. Kobe won rings either when he was young (still really good), or getting old and out of his prime.

And yes i said if he has Gasol because Jordan had Pippen in his prime, Shaq had Kobe in his prime, Lebron had Wade and Bosh in his prime. Look who Kobe had, Smush Parker and Kwame Brown smh.

[Glide2keva]

LOL you don't hate on Kobe, you hate on his stans? Cause I didn't see anything in his post that mentioned Kobe. Talk about getting exposed for your agenda. :lol
And you can use the HOF argument for alot of superstars. Talk about agenda backfire. :lol
It was a comparison dumbass.

He's saying Jordan didn't win until he was basically gifted two unknown commodities. Kobe was gifted first ballot HOF'ers his whole career. It's weak to say that about Jordan but deny this fact about Kobe.

I never said Kobe wasn't a great player on his own. He's fantastic when you look at all he has done, bonehead shots and all.

[Glide2keva]

2012 US team would crush the 92 team. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds in 20 years. There is no chance the 92 team could guard Lebron or Durant, or even Westbrook or Paul. The 2012 team shoots the 3 much better. Overall is far better defensively. Is way more skilled and athletic.
:lol:

Wait, you're serious. :facepalm

[greymatter]

I'd take prime Bird over prime Jordan to build a team around and it's not even close.

[dude77]

Jerry West should no longer be the logo.

Magic should! Or Michael, or Kareem.

It ain't a white man's game anymore.


so you would agree obama should not be president then

[r15mohd]

so you would agree obama should not be president then


:oldlol: good one

[LongLiveTheKing]

Suns-Spurs 2007 was rigged and Suns should've won. Also Amare and Diaw were suspended for leaving the bench?

[bmd]

2012 US team would crush the 92 team. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds in 20 years. There is no chance the 92 team could guard Lebron or Durant, or even Westbrook or Paul. The 2012 team shoots the 3 much better. Overall is far better defensively. Is way more skilled and athletic.Agree with this.

[r15mohd]

Originally Posted by liquidrage
2012 US team would crush the 92 team. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds in 20 years. There is no chance the 92 team could guard Lebron or Durant, or even Westbrook or Paul. The 2012 team shoots the 3 much better. Overall is far better defensively. Is way more skilled and athletic.



if the 2012 US team had the non-injured players...Dwight, Bosh, Wade and Rose then I'd agree with them beating the 92 team. But the depleted 2012 as we saw it, I dont think they take them down.

[Da KO King]

[QUOTE=andgar923]I honestly prefer 'wearing' the Bron Wade length shorts

[KG215]

Kobe is still the best mid range shooter in the league and also the best scorer

Thanks for the laugh.

[Notitlesince73]

The amount of "HOF talent" on the Russell Celtics is overstated. Quite a few of them wouldn't be HOFers if they weren't on that team

[KG215]

It was a comparison dumbass.

He's saying Jordan didn't win until he was basically gifted two unknown commodities. Kobe was gifted first ballot HOF'ers his whole career. It's weak to say that about Jordan but deny this fact about Kobe.

I never said Kobe wasn't a great player on his own. He's fantastic when you look at all he has done, bonehead shots and all.

But were they unknown commodities? I'd think Horace Grant was pretty well thought of to be a top 10 pick out of a well-known school like Clemson.

As for Pippen, he might have been unknown by fans due to playing at an NAIA school, but scouts and NBA people were well aware of him by his senior year. Not saying he was a sure thing due to the level of competition but this is a situation I'm actually somewhat knowledgeable on. One of my good friends dad was actually an assistant coach at Central Arkansas when Pippen was there and he used to tell us some of the stories about scouts always being around his senior year, and how high they were on him. You don't become a top 5 pick from an NAIA school unless scouts and GMs think very highly of your game.

Like I said, though, I do agree with the unknown part in that you had to be cautious due to the level of competition he faced in college.

[Young X]

Wade was better than LeBron in 2009.

[MasterDurant24]

2012 US team would crush the 92 team. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds in 20 years. There is no chance the 92 team could guard Lebron or Durant, or even Westbrook or Paul. The 2012 team shoots the 3 much better. Overall is far better defensively. Is way more skilled and athletic.
Other than LeBron, who 's more athletic than Jordan, David Robinson, Barkley, Pippen or Drexler? Westbrook or Durant maybe. Jordan and Pippen are better than any perimeter defender on that team, while Robinson and Ewing are leaps and bounds better defenders than Tyson Chandler :lol There is no chance that the small 2012 team could guard Karl Malone, Robinson or Ewing. We know that no one would be able to stop Jordan or Barkley. And I don't know what makes the 2012 team more skilled at all except that they can shoot better from outside and the perimeter scoring is better overall.

[OmniStrife]

Most college players today are better than NBA players from before the 70s.

[KG215]

2012 US team would crush the 92 team. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds in 20 years. There is no chance the 92 team could guard Lebron or Durant, or even Westbrook or Paul. The 2012 team shoots the 3 much better. Overall is far better defensively. Is way more skilled and athletic.

Wow, so much ignorance in one post. Impressive.

[dude77]

2012 US team would crush the 92 team. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds in 20 years. There is no chance the 92 team could guard Lebron or Durant, or even Westbrook or Paul. The 2012 team shoots the 3 much better. Overall is far better defensively. Is way more skilled and athletic.

if you go by this retarded logic .. you also have to say that jordan would be average at best in today's league .. do you agree with that ?

[FreezingTsmoove]

Lakers fan are ignorant. There is no way in hell you guys "could of should of would've" been up 3-1 in the series vs OKC. You lost bad, take it.

[Horde of Temujin]

This is maybe not so controversial: Boston was cheated this year and should've won the final.

Hakeem is the best center in NBA history.

Vlade Divac was better than Dwight Howard is now.

[ashlar]

A VAST majority of players in the 60s would not even make it to the 15th man on a roster on most teams today.

[NuggetsFan]

I always thought Brandon Roy was overrated. He was a guy who can do abit of everything but didn't do anything at an elite level. Terrible without the ball in his hands. He was ridiculously clutch, which I think made him seem better than he was .

Remember some people calling him better than Melo which seemed absurd to me.

[ThunderStruk022]

2012 US team would crush the 92 team. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds in 20 years. There is no chance the 92 team could guard Lebron or Durant, or even Westbrook or Paul. The 2012 team shoots the 3 much better. Overall is far better defensively. Is way more skilled and athletic.


Agree with this.


There's some pretty stupid things that have been posted in this thread, but this may be the dumbest and most ignorant. It's ok to just not comment on an era of basketball you didn't watch and know absolutely nothing about instead of posting something this stupid.

And it's not even that you think the 2012 team would win. I can sorta kinda live with that. It's the fact that you think the 2012 team is that much more athletic than the 1992 team, and the "2012 team is way more skilled" comment really pushes it over the top.

[Freedom Kid7]

Duncan is far and away the best player post-Jordan

[jongib369]

In his prime, with the touches I think wilt would dominate today's centers getting 35-40 PPG. And in the 90's about the same considering he would face his top piers far less than he did in his time (went against Russell 143 times...Robinson and Ewing on the other hand, less than 20) All what ifs though so if Im right Im right if Im wrong Im wrong...We will never know and NO ONE can KNOW if their opinion is correct or not because its just that...an opinion

[InfiniteBaskets]

If the NBA never gave out any individual awards except for defensive player of the year and first defensive team, the game would be played and officiated much differently.

[jongib369]

If the NBA never gave out any individual awards except for defensive player of the year and first defensive team, the game would be played and officiated much differently.


:applause:

[Laxlen]

Basketball in Vancouver failed once and will fail again if tried

[Freedom Kid7]

Kevin Garnett had a significant impact on the NBA and it's culture.

[DTreats]

Bill Russell had very little basketball skills and his game relied nearly entirely on being a tall, urban man during a time when only white men played the game.

[CavaliersFTW]

Bill Russell had very little basketball skills and his game relied nearly entirely on being a tall, urban man during a time when only white men played the game.
DTreats, u crack me up man :roll:

[gilalizard]

This is maybe not so controversial: Boston was cheated this year and should've won the final.

Dunno if they "should've" won the title this year, but they unquestionably got shafted by the refs in their series against Miami.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Dunno if they "should've" won the title this year, but they unquestionably got shafted by the refs in their series against Miami.

The series looked pretty even to me.

[Zedja]

The series looked pretty even to me.
Of course you would say that. I mean look at your avatar.

[Stuckey]

Boston got shafted in the finals in '10

[ILLsmak]

AI > Isiah.

-Smak

[Ikill]

Wade and Kobe are more athletic than Carter
The cavs could of won in 07 if Lebron didn't play terrible

[Mr Exlax]

The Knicks will die by the 3 in the playoffs.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Don't know if it's controversial or not, but I really see Amar'e ****ing up what the Knicks have going when he comes back.

[dynasty1978]

I'd take prime Bird over prime Jordan to build a team around and it's not even close.


I would take Bird or Magic over Jordan to build a team around.

[webberz0044]

Thunder should be forced to move back to Seattle.