Chamberlain trying to beat the shotclock! (video)

[millwad]

This shit is beyond hilarious, Wilt is trying to be clutch and he wants to beat the game clock so tries a turnaround jumper but he fails big time and he hits it in the side of the backboard, then he gets the ball back and tries a bunny shot and again he only manages to hit the backboard. As if that wasn't enough someone in the crowd starts to laugh at him..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemQKScZ7MQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=125s

[coin24]

:roll: :roll: :roll: GOAT:bowdown:

LeBron must have coppied those post moves vs the Celtics 09/10...:oldlol:

[coin24]

Ryan Hollins would destroy him:lol

[millwad]

:roll: :roll: :roll: GOAT:bowdown:

LeBron must have coppied those post moves vs the Celtics 09/10...:oldlol:

Haha, yeah, that hit me as well.. :roll:

[franchiez]

:roll: :roll: :roll: GOAT:bowdown:

LeBron must have coppied those post moves vs the Celtics 09/10...:oldlol:
:oldlol:

[Psileas]

The first shot was a bad effort - even the GOAT throw away bricks from time to time. The second shot is irrelevant, since the horn had already sounded and Wilt didn't even care to target - anyone knows that Wilt never shot like this and it's visible he doesn't care.

I know the OP's intentions, but the rest were probably too quick to laugh about it.


GOAT

LeBron must have coppied those post moves vs the Celtics 09/10...

Jordan must have copied the move at 1:59. :applause:

[Shade8780]

Where's jlauber when you need him? :/

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LOL, a peak Hakeem would mop the floor with Stilt. http://y2u.be/GA_EIVfE8ak

[BoutPractice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC25abFB3co

Who is that dude, he can't ball to save his life

[KOBE143]

With that kind of skills.. How can this guy avg 50ppg over 1 season is beyond me.. Maybe that era dont play defense or player back then were really that weak and Wilt The Choker took advantage of it..

[BoutPractice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgfx-bXsg4
How that guy scored 81 is beyond me.

[KOBE143]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgfx-bXsg4
How that guy scored 81 is beyond me.
That team relying on a 17 year old is beyond me or maybe they saw a potential goat in that kid..

[RRR3]

http://www.ringsthatbling.com/pictures/1967-Philadelphia-76ers-Ring.jpeg




U mad?

[pauk]

Kobe must have copied his shot selection

[jlauber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVcSndz52DE

This from a 6-1 guard and going against a player in his absolute prime.

And they called him a defensive anchor.:facepalm

[scandisk_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVcSndz52DE

This from a 6-1 guard and going against a player in his absolute prime.

And they called him a defensive anchor.:facepalm

KJ could prolly do that to wilt 5x :oldlol: You're just grasping straws lauber man

[millwad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVcSndz52DE

This from a 6-1 guard and going against a player in his absolute prime.

And they called him a defensive anchor.:facepalm

Yeah, that's a sick dunk, one of the best dunks of all-time.
KJ and Hakeem were cool, both punked each other and played their hearts out against each other in the playoffs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS25dibHOR0

By the way, what has that clip with this thread to do?

And too bad that there were no athletic 6-1 guards back then who could dunk like KJ, let alone do a left handed lay-up.. :facepalm

And while we're at it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITxDdnzpnU8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN7fndDd0B4

And they called him a "great scorer"... Who couldn't score in the playoffs or make FT's.. :facepalm

[Punpun]

Kobe must have copied his shot selection

WILT is the GOAT if I were to believe JLAUBER. KOBE confirmed for #2.

:applause:

[jlauber]

KJ could prolly do that to wilt 5x :oldlol: You're just grasping straws lauber man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDzzxVE34k

[millwad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDzzxVE34k

Mention one point guard from Wilt's era that could dunk like KJ, I got the answer; ZERO.

The guards back then barely could finish a left handed lay-up.. :facepalm

[Punpun]

Don't be mean to Jlauber. Old people deserve our respect.

[Rooster]

Mention one point guard from Wilt's era that could dunk like KJ, I got the answer; ZERO.

The guards back then barely could finish a left handed lay-up.. :facepalm

That era is below the rim era. Wilt dominated the regular season because of his athleticism and choked when it matters because of lack of heart. All those game 7 loses piled up.:oldlol:

[millwad]

Don't be mean to Jlauber. Old people deserve our respect.

I'm not mean, I just thought the clip was hilarious.

Don't know why Jlauber have to defend Wilt 24/7, I didn't write anything negative about him, I only posted a clip of him.

And then he tries to make a pathtic comeback, he posted a clip where Hakeem got dunked on. He knows that my favorite player is Hakeem and the pathetic guy got butthurt over this thread so he had to come with a lame comeback..

Yeah, Jlauber, I'm so sad now.. :facepalm

[Punpun]

Still, don't be mean to the elderly, they don't have all their head you know.

[jlauber]

Mention one point guard from Wilt's era that could dunk like KJ, I got the answer; ZERO.

The guards back then barely could finish a left handed lay-up.. :facepalm

Calvin Murphy for ONE...

http://www.syracuse.com/poliquin/index.ssf/2007/11/107_points_great_but_did_one_g.html


Facts are facts, and the fact is that prior to Wednesday night's 107-100 defeat at the hands of those Massachusetts Minutemen, the Syracuse University basketball team had not scored 100 points and lost, in regulation, since 1968 when the Purple Eagles of Niagara rolled the Orangemen, 118-110, out there in western New York.
And the culprit on that evening nearly 40 years ago was Calvin Murphy, who stood 5-foot-9, weighed 165 pounds . . . and dropped 68 points on the SU club that ended up driving home agog. This, back in the day where there was no three-point arc.

Now, a whole lot of younger folks may know Murphy only because of the news, revealed fairly recently, that he has fathered 14 children with nine different women, which is so gruesomely irresponsible that it deserves not the slightest of silly jokes here or anywhere.

But, wow, that man -- who might still be the quickest guy to ever lace on sneakers -- could play basketball. And, oh, did he burn the Orangemen on Dec. 7, 1968.

For the record, Murphy, a junior, was 24-of-46 from the field and 20-of-23 from the foul line that night before 3,200 worshippers at Niagara's tiny Student Center. And he grabbed six rebounds, too. And he handed off for six assists on top of everything else. And, yes, he dazzled as nobody ever could.

"When I was on the freshman team and Dave Bing was a senior, I'd take 30-second showers so I could get out there watch him play," Bob Kouwe, a former Syracuse player, told me back in 2003 while I was putting together my little tome, Tales from the Syracuse Hardwood: A Collection of the Greatest Stories Ever Told. "That's how great I think Bing was. But as great as he was -- and I guarded him a lot in practice, so I know Dave Bing was absolutely great -- watching him play was nothing, and I mean nothing, compared to watching Calvin Murphy play."

More from Kouwe, who was in an SU uniform on that wild evening when Murphy buried his 68? Here it is:

"We had Ernie Austin guard him. We had John Suder guard him. We had Ray Balukas guard him. I guarded him. But there was no way. None. He was the fastest human being you've ever seen. He could run faster dribbling than anybody could run without a ball, and he never mis-dribbled. So how do you cover that?

"We picked him up as soon as he crossed center court. We tried a box-and-one. We double-teamed him. We tripled-teamed him. We'd play defense on him when we had the ball on the offensive end, and I'm serious about that. But it was fruitless. There was no playing Calvin Murphy. It was a total loss even trying.

"You know what we were? We were amazed. Me, especially. There were three or four times when I was all over him. I mean, he'd go up for a 25- or 30-foot jumper and I'd be blanketing him, with a hand in his face. And he just jumped straight up into the air, as high as he needed to go, and let fly with the most beautiful floaters you can imagine. And he hit nothing but net. I thought I did a pretty good job on Calvin that night. I really did. And he went for 68.

"He could run. He could dunk two-handed behind his head. He could shoot. And the fans would go absolutely wild. I mean, they were crazy for him."

I remember asking Bob how many points Murphy would have scored on that magical evening if there had been a three-point line . . . and he hesitated not at all.

"Eighty," he said. "Easy. I kid you not. Eighty."

Think about that.

[millwad]

That era is below the rim era. Wilt dominated the regular season because of his athleticism and choked when it matters because of lack of heart. All those game 7 loses piled up.:oldlol:

Yes, obviously.

But a guy like Wilt would be great in any era but I couldn't care less about his stats and stuff, especially when it comes to rebounding and blocks. He played in an era where the players shot with horrible FG% and at a much higher pace which leads to a hell alot more rebounds. And especially when the guards and the forwards were way less athletic which lead to the centers grabbing them all, especially if you were as athletic and tall as Wilt.

And blocks, only clowns would mention that Russell and Wilt blocked more shots than modern era big guys. As you said, people played under the rim and shit looked like this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hepObDB6zEs

[Rooster]

Calvin Murphy for ONE...

http://www.syracuse.com/poliquin/index.ssf/2007/11/107_points_great_but_did_one_g.html

This a hearsay I want to see highlights where point guards are dunking on that era.:oldlol:

[millwad]

Calvin Murphy for ONE...

http://www.syracuse.com/poliquin/index.ssf/2007/11/107_points_great_but_did_one_g.html

Mentioning Calvin Murphy makes you an instant retard, go and find one in game dunk by Calvin Murphy where he posterized someone. Or let alone a dunk to start with.

[Punpun]

Earl MANIGAULT could do things NO OTHER players could do. Like routinely touching the top of the backboard to get money. He could def dunk.

The guy was also better than Wilt and the true GOAT of that era (just ask KAJ).

I made a beautiful thread about him.

[scandisk_]

Jordan must have copied the move at 1:59. :applause:

yeah a beautiful move by the stilt, love how he faded away.

[Legends66NBA7]

jlauber and millwad at it again.

:ohwell:

[scandisk_]

jlauber and millwad at it again.

:ohwell:

They're the heavyweights, R3 and Reigny on the other hand :lol

[millwad]

jlauber and millwad at it again.

:ohwell:

Haha, I'm not at it again, Jlauber is too darn butthurt, no one can even write a thing that's not raising Wilt to the skies without Jlauber hi-jacking the tread to hype up Wilt.. :facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

They're the heavyweights, R3 and Reigny on the other hand :lol

Bantamweight ? Reigny alone brings them that low.

:oldlol:

RRR3, no hate though. :cheers:


Haha, I'm not at it again, Jlauber is too darn butthurt, no one can't even write a thing that's not raising Wilt to the skies without Jlauber hi-jacking the tread to hype up Wilt..:facepalm

Nah, I get that part... but it just always seems like you guys are more or less angry in each response.

:oldlol:

I enjoy the back and forth though, whichever topic it is :cheers:

[scandisk_]

Bantamweight ? Reigny alone brings them that low.

:oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Vertical-24]

Kobe must have copied his shot selection

Don't get smacked, nerd.

[millwad]

Bantamweight ? Reigny alone brings them that low.

:oldlol:


HAHA!




Nah, I get that part... but it just always seems like you guys are more or less angry in each response.

:oldlol:

I enjoy the back and forth though, whichever topic it is :cheers:

He's too mad, I'm never actually mad when he hi-jacks threads but I find his stuff hilarious. I mean, a 57 year old man just hi-jacked this thread with a clip of Hakeem getting dunked on (because he know's that he's my fav-player) because I linked to a hilarious clip of Wilt. He also insulted Olajuwon, haha.

It's like kindergarten again, but the internet version, you know when one kid says his father is strong and then another kid says that his father is even stronger.

But no hate, Jlauber is a funny guy, even though he's not funny intentionally. :oldlol:

[Punpun]

On this case though, Jlauber would be the father. You're right, Jlaub is a work of art.

:yaohappy:

[PHILA]

http://www.ringsthatbling.com/pictures/1967-Philadelphia-76ers-Ring.jpeg

:applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

Mentioning Calvin Murphy makes you an instant retard, go and find one in game dunk by Calvin Murphy where he posterized someone. Or let alone a dunk to start with.
Millwad - your trying to hate on Jlauber - great, but its pissing me off every time you carelessly throw former players (and an entire NBA era) under the bus. I don't know whether your banking on the fact that there is barely any film of that era to back up stupid demands like "Show me Calvin Murphy dunking!" (which is unfair). Or if your just genuinely convinced guys back then weren't athletic enough to dunk or finish left handed layups? (Which is just plain dumb).

There isn't a single Calvin Murphy game on film. Not one. Might as well say "show me film of him scratching his balls cause I don't believe he had any!". I combed my entire archive and found a grand total 1 minutes of footage of the guy. And what are the odds. He dunks in that footage. If A guy has 1 minute of footage to his name and in that 1 minute has a clip of him dunking... chances are it was no freak accident. Chances are, he's a dunker.

http://youtu.be/VPTFk7oMwZw

[Punpun]

@Cavaliers, And yet chances are that most of the hearsay that most Jlauber arguments are based on are utter and total bullshit.

[CavaliersFTW]

@Cavaliers, And yet chances are that most of the hearsay that most Jlauber arguments are based on are utter and total bullshit.
I can neither confirm nor deny that, I just hate how people assume every player from the 60s or 70s automatically must be doubted until footage is seen... sometimes there just isn't any footage. I'm pretty sure the Civil War happened, despite the lack of footage

[Rooster]

@Cavaliers, And yet chances are that most of the hearsay that most Jlauber arguments are based on are utter and total bullshit.

No he highlights Wilt greatest games and makes excuses for his failures. There is no argument Wilt has the greatest stats and he might have been the greatest individual player but basketball is a team sport. Russell was the better team player. He was not self absorbed with his numbers, his unselfishness made everybody around him better and that is why he has more rings than his fingers.

[Punpun]

I can neither confirm nor deny that, I just hate how people assume every player from the 60s or 70s automatically must be doubted until footage is seen... sometimes there just isn't any footage. I'm pretty sure the Civil War happened, despite the lack of footage

This is beautiful and all but when you have someone like Jlauber who spends all his time throwing hearsays after hearsays as facts, then you do more to hurt your cause than the reverse.

And it gets even more hypocritical when you use the same tactic as Jlauber to up an unknown player (Manigault) and yet the same Jlauber will then screams at the scandal and how those said hearsays mean nothing.

[CavaliersFTW]

This is beautiful and all but when you have someone like Jlauber who spends all his time throwing hearsays after hearsays as facts, then you do more to hurt your cause than the reverse.

And it gets even more hypocritical when you use the same tactic as Jlauber to up an unknown player (Manigault) and yet the same Jlauber will then screams at the scandal and how those said hearsays mean nothing.
I agree, you can't use heresay as a fact and I do feel at time JL has "Euroleagued" Wilt's era. Jlaubers approach to building Wilt's GOAT case is a bit... rough around the edges. a lot of the times the evidence looks anecdotal. But still, not everything he says is BS. Hell, his facts are right more than they are wrong. He just dumps mountains of text on people and out of the monstrous post 1 or 2 facts look suspicious and once that happens everybody hones in on the holes and then everything he said in the post (even if some parts were true) get denounced

[jongib369]

god damn check out how smooth kobe is!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgfx-bXsg4



:facepalm


Come on, you're going to act like he didn't have range and couldn't be clutch??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

Everyone derp's out at one point or another in their career...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB43A-ODuLc&feature=plcp

3:20

[Punpun]

Are you jlauber son ? I mean, you could be. It could fit.

[jongib369]

LOL, a peak Hakeem would mop the floor with Stilt. http://y2u.be/GA_EIVfE8ak


LOL what a joke. I'd really like to see the undersized hakeem stop someone whose as athletic asShaq, longer than Yao Ming and has 15/16 foot range....:facepalm


Old Kareem was capable of lighting up Hakeem, and kareem was never able to light up the same competition Wilt faced past there primes to the same extent and you think Hakeem would mop the floor with him? Lulz....Luttuce be real, legends are elgends and they would do great against each other but I think it's clear who i give the edge to on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhXzPvmCfVI&feature=plcp

[jongib369]

Are you jlauber son ? I mean, you could be. It could fit.
Haha! You're hilarious. You must be one of the more respected posters on this site!!! 3,548 posts and 2 green reps...Damn son!

[millwad]

Millwad - your trying to hate on Jlauber - great, but its pissing me off every time you carelessly throw former players (and an entire NBA era) under the bus. I don't know whether your banking on the fact that there is barely any film of that era to back up stupid demands like "Show me Calvin Murphy dunking!" (which is unfair). Or if your just genuinely convinced guys back then weren't athletic enough to dunk or finish left handed layups? (Which is just plain dumb).


Can't you read?
I wrote, in game dunk, he claimed that Calvin Murphy was just as athletic like KJ and that he could dunk like KJ. There's nothing to back up a statement like that, the footage is damn limited when it comes to Murphy but you don't have to be a genius to know that Calvin was no where close to the dunker KJ was nor as athletic. You guys are great with them articles, if Calvin was a dunker of KJ's ability then it would be EVERYWHERE.

And players back then were way less athletic than the average modern era player, it's a fact. Or maybe you like to believe all those hoax stories where old players recall how great they were..

There was a reason why a majority of the players were playing under the rim.

And I find it ridiculous that you're here now and acting all upset because you felt that I'm belittling former players and era's. I'll tell you why.

Where are you every time Jlauber writes pure nonsense essays about how amazing the 60's were and that they were more skilled than the modern era etc? Where are you every time Jlauber spams about how Olajuwon who is an all-time great ain't good at anything and is a horrible defender etc? Where are you every time Jlauber uses shitty sources like your mistyped youtube-comments just to hype up his beloved Wilt while he trashes all the other players from other era's? He has bashed every single era which Wilt wasn't a part of and still you never said shit..

You're just being a hypocrite now, my friend, as long as it fits your agenda and your bias you don't care. Although Jlauber has wrote so much crap about every era Wilt didn't play in you never tried to correct him or call him out for it. You've never written that his his essays of bashing modern era players are pissing you off but as soon as it's your own era you're the first one to act all upset and take the side of Jlauber.. Why didn't you confront Jlauber about how Hakeem wasn't a defensive anchor?


Instead of sending me PM's about Jlauber and instead of making videos where you mock Jlauber like this one; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHJuifYlbY

Man up some if you really believe that some posters are underrating other era's and players which Jlaubber is doing constantly, and considering how many of his posts you've read and never confronted, it makes you a biased coward.


You know I like you as a poster and you know that I admire your amazing work with all your videos but come on, you can't be for real now..




There isn't a single Calvin Murphy game on film. Not one. Might as well say "show me film of him scratching his balls cause I don't believe he had any!". I combed my entire archive and found a grand total 1 minutes of footage of the guy. And what are the odds. He dunks in that footage. If A guy has 1 minute of footage to his name and in that 1 minute has a clip of him dunking... chances are it was no freak accident. Chances are, he's a dunker.


I never said he wasn't a dunker for god sake, Jlauber claimed he was just as athletic and good as a dunker as KJ which is nonsense. You've NEVER heard about Murphy posterizing a GOAT candidate shotblocker in Olajuwon and if he would it would be everywhere on the net.



http://youtu.be/VPTFk7oMwZw
[/QUOTE]

This is getting silly, I never wrote that Calvin couldn't dunk, I wrote that Jlauber was more than welcome to post a in game dunk of Calvin. I asked him to mention any guard who could do the stuff KJ was doing a la huge facials on 6'10 centers and he copied an article about Calvin Murphy. Instead of getting butthurt at me, go to your beloved Jlauber and ask him why he just made a comparison between Calvin and KJ when it comes to dunks.

But I must tell you, I loved that clip, "E", Tomjanovich and Murphy in the same video is just amazing, thanks for the clip.

[Punpun]

Haha! You're hilarious. You must be one of the more respected posters on this site!!! 3,548 posts and 2 green reps...Damn son!

Why are you being passive-agressive ? There was no animosity in my post. But yes, I probably am.

[jongib369]

Why are you being passive-agressive ? There was no animosity in my post. But yes, I probably am.
Well if you weren't trying to start anything my bad...But, you have trolled every single post about wilt that I can remember so can you blame me for reacting? haha. I'm not being serious in any of my posts/ "replies btw...I don't take this site or basketball THAT seriously

:cheers:

[millwad]

LOL what a joke. I'd really like to see the undersized hakeem stop someone whose as athletic asShaq, longer than Yao Ming and has 15/16 foot range....:facepalm


Old Kareem was capable of lighting up Hakeem, and kareem was never able to light up the same competition Wilt faced past there primes to the same extent and you think Hakeem would mop the floor with him? Lulz....Luttuce be real, legends are elgends and they would do great against each other but I think it's clear who i give the edge to on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhXzPvmCfVI&feature=plcp

OK, Jlauber junior.

Old Kareem lit up a rookie and 2nd year pro Olajuwon, the same 2nd pro Olajuwon busted Kareem's ass in the same playoffs and lead his Rockets to the finals.

And Olajuwon was no where near his prime as a rookie and a 2nd year pro.. :facepalm

And yeah, I think Olajuwon would mop the floor with Wilt, no doubt and he'd mop the floor with Russell as well.

And I find it hilarious that you're copying all Jlauber's arguments and redoing them in worse versions... :facepalm

[Rooster]

LOL what a joke. I'd really like to see the undersized hakeem stop someone whose as athletic asShaq, longer than Yao Ming and has 15/16 foot range....:facepalm


Old Kareem was capable of lighting up Hakeem, and kareem was never able to light up the same competition Wilt faced past there primes to the same extent and you think Hakeem would mop the floor with him? Lulz....Luttuce be real, legends are elgends and they would do great against each other but I think it's clear who i give the edge to on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhXzPvmCfVI&feature=plcp

Hakeem would have done the same thing he did against the Admiral against Wilt. He will shake and bake him to death. And if it goes to game 7, it's clear who will rise to the occasion.

[BuGzBuNNy]

Came in here expecting to Lmao, left a little disappointed.

EDIT: Nvm, reading responses :lol

[swi7ch]

Now you guys know why everyone is saying McGee will embarrass Wilt 1v1.

[PHILA]

Hakeem would have done the same thing he did against the Admiral against Wilt. He will shake and bake him to death. And if it goes to game 7, it's clear who will rise to the occasion.

:no:


"Did you see Robinson fall for every fake?" Chamberlain told the San Francisco Chronicle. "How do you do that, especially when you know Hakeem likes to fake?"

"All that faking Hakeem does, if you're Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain or Nate Thurmond, that **** don't mean nothin'. You just don't leave your deer. You would see Robinson fall for every god-damn fake, and Hakeem would dip around or under him for an easy basket."

-1995

[millwad]

:no:


"Did you see Robinson fall for every fake?" Chamberlain told the San Francisco Chronicle. "How do you do that, especially when you know Hakeem likes to fake?"

"All that faking Hakeem does, if you're Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain or Nate Thurmond, that **** don't mean nothin'. You just don't leave your deer. You would see Robinson fall for every god-damn fake, and Hakeem would dip around or under him for an easy basket."

-1995

I bet Wilt said the same thing the season when Kareem averaged 40 points on 50% shooting on Wilt himself.. :facepalm

[jongib369]

OK, Jlauber junior.

Old Kareem lit up a rookie and 2nd year pro Olajuwon, the same 2nd pro Olajuwon busted Kareem's ass in the same playoffs and lead his Rockets to the finals.

And Olajuwon was no where near his prime as a rookie and a 2nd year pro.. :facepalm

And yeah, I think Olajuwon would mop the floor with Wilt, no doubt and he'd mop the floor with Russell as well.

And I find it hilarious that you're copying all Jlauber's arguments and redoing them in worse versions... :facepalm


Hakeem would NOT mop the floor with wilt or Russell IMO, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to change someone else's opinion. As Good as Hakeem was I just personally think he'd have a harder time stopping Wilt than Vice Versa...Wilt hardly ever fell for ball fakes...but, Im also not saying that Hakeem wouldn't ever best Chamberlain because Hakeem WAS a beast himself. So arguing will get us no where haha :cheers:

I'm not copying Jlauber just because we can make the same connective argument. Unlike him, I try to keep it as short as possible because LONG ass paragraphs are an eyesore...Write something long explaining my point of view "JLAUBER 2!" Try to keep it short as possible " SPECIAL ED JLAUBER!!"

:roll: :)

I do respect your opinion, I just disagree with it

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LOL what a joke. I'd really like to see the undersized hakeem stop someone whose as athletic asShaq, longer than Yao Ming and has 15/16 foot range....:facepalm


Old Kareem was capable of lighting up Hakeem, and kareem was never able to light up the same competition Wilt faced past there primes to the same extent and you think Hakeem would mop the floor with him? Lulz....Luttuce be real, legends are elgends and they would do great against each other but I think it's clear who i give the edge to on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhXzPvmCfVI&feature=plcp

You wanna talk about undersized? Wilt dominated players half his size, strength and ability. :oldlol:

What you guys need to think about (rather than looking at stats) is what a monster Wilt was....back then. In that era, seven footers were unheard of. Uncoordinated freaks even. Wilt was a different animal. People would look at a guy his size and think to themselves, "Wow, this guy isn't made for sports; he would be PERFECT for a circus."

Wilt had such a crazy level of athleticism (with less training-methods than later athletes had), looking back, you can't say you weren't impressed.

[Harison]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC25abFB3co

Who is that dude, he can't ball to save his life

Most of these failed dunks were from his Wizards days, when he didnt had lift anymore as ~40 years old. :confusedshrug:

[jongib369]

I bet Wilt said the same thing the season when Kareem averaged 40 points on 50% shooting on Wilt himself.. :facepalm

He actually held Kareem to a crazy low fg% compared to his normal % if you look at all the h2h...Just saying lmao


:cheers:

[millwad]

Hakeem would NOT mop the floor with wilt or Russell IMO, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to change someone else's opinion. As Good as Hakeem was I just personally think he'd have a harder time stopping Wilt than Vice Versa...Wilt hardly ever fell for ball fakes...but, Im also not saying that Hakeem wouldn't ever best Chamberlain because Hakeem WAS a beast himself. So arguing will get us no where haha :cheers:


Your lover Jlauber used to post stuff about how Bill Russell would be a Ben Wallace type of player today.



I'm not copying Jlauber just because we can make the same connective argument. Unlike him, I try to keep it as short as possible because LONG ass paragraphs are an eyesore...Write something long explaining my point of view "JLAUBER 2!" Try to keep it short as possible " SPECIAL ED JLAUBER!!"

:roll: :)


You just posted exactly what he's been spamming the last years and you probably heard about it from him as well.



I do respect your opinion, I just disagree with it

That's cool, but be yourself, homie. Stealing CavsFTW's videos and then copying Jlaubers post is not something you should do if you want anyone to take you seriously.

[millwad]

He actually held Kareem to a crazy low fg% compared to his normal % if you look at all the h2h...Just saying lmao


:cheers:

But Kareem also dumped 40 points per game on 50% shooting over 5 games in a whole season vs Wilt.

[jongib369]

You wanna talk about undersized? Wilt dominated players half his size, strength and ability. :oldlol:

What you guys need to think about (rather than looking at stats) is what a monster Wilt was....back then. In that era, seven footers were unheard of. Uncoordinated freaks even. Wilt was a different animal. People would look at a guy his size and think to themselves, "Wow, this guy isn't made for sports; he would be PERFECT for a circus."

Wilt had such a crazy level of athleticism (with less training-methods than later athletes had), looking back, you can't say you weren't impressed.
That's actually very wrong...Shaq had more of an overall Size Advantage than the players he went against than Wilt did..There was more 7 footers back then than you think....Remember they were measured barefoot back then...Not inflated like today...example...West is listed at 6'2, when he's actually 6'4 just like Kobe...While today someone like kevin love is listed at 6'10...reality 6'7 1/2....Plus he faced those HOF players more often than any other center did his piers since his time

Walt Bellamy, Nate Thurmond, Russell to just name a small few (Went against Russ alone 142 or 3 times) While Ewing and Robinson less than 20

I'm not trying to say that Wilt would " ****IN DOMINATE HAKEEM!! NO CHANCE" Just that wilt would have an edge IMO...and I never said he would average those same numbers in a different era either

[jongib369]

But Kareem also dumped 40 points per game on 50% shooting over 5 games in a whole season vs Wilt.
Yeah I know, I've seen the H2H...But with "Jlauber's" argument that Kareem never was able to light up the same players wilt did the same way does say something...All I'm saying is, is that you guys aren't giving him enough credit imo..but you have every damn right to think he's just a scrub

And just to say, you don't think someone has made those same arguments to people before him? Jlauber isn't the old testament of Wilt arguments haha

[TheGreatBlaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDzzxVE34k
That pass at 3:00 mark wtf :wtf: :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That's actually very wrong...Shaq had more of an overall Size Advantage than the players he went against than Wilt did..There was more 7 footers back then than you think....Remember they were measured barefoot back then...Not inflated like today...example...West is listed at 6'2, when he's actually 6'4 just like Kobe...While today someone like kevin love is listed at 6'10...reality 6'7 1/2....Plus he faced those HOF players more often than any other center did his piers since his time

Walt Bellamy, Nate Thurmond, Russell to just name a small few (Went against Russ alone 142 or 3 times) While Ewing and Robinson less than 20

I'm not trying to say that Wilt would " ****IN DOMINATE HAKEEM!! NO CHANCE" Just that wilt would have an edge IMO...and I never said he would average those same numbers in a different era either

Whether or not players were measured differently then is irrelevant. I go by what is listed - and the fact is, night in and night out, Shaq faced players with a (comparable) combination of ability/skill/size/height more frequently than Wilt did.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah I know, I've seen the H2H...But with "Jlauber's" argument that Kareem never was able to light up the same players wilt did the same way does say something.

This is strawman type sh!t right here. :lol

[millwad]

Yeah I know, I've seen the H2H...But with "Jlauber's" argument that Kareem never was able to light up the same players wilt did the same way does say something...All I'm saying is, is that you guys aren't giving him enough credit imo..but you have every damn right to think he's just a scrub

And just to say, you don't think someone has made those same arguments to people before him? Jlauber isn't the old testament of Wilt arguments haha

Jlauber actually never saw Wilt play, he changed his mind about Wilt and his era just a few years ago. He used to write that Bill Russell today would be like Ben Wallace and all kind of stuff like this;

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5029077&postcount=53

You should trust to much of what he says. He changed his mind just a couple of years ago over boxscores and youtube-videos.

And why the hell are you using Jlauber as a source?

[jlauber]

Jlauber actually never saw Wilt play, he changed his mind about Wilt and his era just a few years ago. He used to write that Bill Russell today would be like Ben Wallace and all kind of stuff like this;

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5029077&postcount=53

You should trust to much of what he says. He changed his mind just a couple of years ago over boxscores and youtube-videos.

And why the hell are you using Jlauber as a source?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This coming from the biggest LIAR whoever posted on ISH. He SWORE that his loverboy Hakeem did NOT guard Kareem in the '86 REGULAR SEASON games. I then posted a RECAP which CLEARLY had a helpless Hakeem allowing a 39 year old Kareem (A 39 YEAR OLD KAREEM, who couldn't jump over a matchstick) just SLAUGHTERING a 23 year old Hakeem. 46 points, on 21-30 shooting, and in only 37 minutes. Not only that, but I posted FOOTAGE (unfortunately it has since been removed) of Kareem just embarrassing Hakeem with a 40 point game. It was LAUGHABLE. I could have defended Kareem better myself.

In fact, a 38-39 year old Kareem PUNISHED the inept defensive Hakeem to the tune of TEN STRAIGHT GAMES of 33.0 ppg on .630 shooting. I have challenged ANYONE here to find a more dominant stretch of TEN STRAIGHT GAMES, whether it be the greatest player of all-time versus the many scrubs that Hakeem himself, faced, that ever hung 10 straight games of 33 ppg on .630 shooting against ANYONE else.

Not only that, the SAME Hakeem who lined up directly in those boxscores with Kareem, who he TRIED to guard in ALL ten games (Dickwad has never been able to dispute it, because, quite frankly, he DID guard him in EVERY one of those regular season H2H's...but the burden is now on the LIAR to disprove it) was also lined up directly across Artis Gilmore in TEN STRAIGHT games from the 84-85 and 85-86 seasons (BTW, Dickwad challenged me on those games, and as ALWAYS, I made a complete FOOL out of him.) And in THOSE TEN STRAIGHT GAMES, Gilmore averaged 24 ppg on...get this... .677 shooting.

Then, Dickwad has the audacity to bring up a PRIME Kareem, in his greatest season, scoring 40 ppg on .500 (a CAREER high season against Wilt BTW), in FIVE games, against a 35 year old Chamberlain on a surgically repaired knee. And that was in FIVE games.

How about their CAREER H2H's, which again, favor Hakeem far more than Chamberlain. A 38-41 year Kareem (actually 42) outscored a 23-26 year old Hakeem, 23 ppg to 22 ppg,....which is bad enough, but Kareem OUTSHOT that helpless oaf by a staggering .607 to .512 margin. Meanwhile, a 34-36 year Chamberlain (BTW, a 33 year old Wilt just CRUSHED a 22 year old Kareem in their one H2H...but that was a healthy Wilt)...held a 23-26 year old Kareem to a CAREER .464 shooting.

Think about this. An OLD Chamberlain held a PRIME Kareem to .464 shooting in 28 H2H games, while an OLD Kareem, barely able to play 30 mpg, and do anything but shoot, shot .607 in 23 career H2H's against a 23-26 Hakeem.

And it gets worse. In those 28 H2H's with an OLD Wilt (who was ROUTINELY knocking the skyhook all over the gym...and when Dickwad challenged me on that, I immediately produced a video, in which Chamberlain smacked TWO skyhooks into Kareem's face, in a span of FIVE SECS)...this OLD Wilt, and against a PRIME ATHLETIC Kareem at his most dominant point in his career, to 10 games of shooting 50% or better. TEN games out of 28! And ONE game of over 60%. With SIX of under .399.

Now, how about a 23-26 year old Hakeem against a GERIATRIC Kareem, aged 38-42? In 23 career H2H's, Kareem shot 50%, or better, in TWENTY of them. Oh, and he shot 60%, or better, in a staggering TWELVE of them. Oh, and he shot better than 70% in, get this...FIVE of them.

And before Dickwad LIES, and claims that Hakeem stopped Kareem in the '86 WCF's, well, the TRUTH was, Fitch FINALLY took the advice of SPORTSWRITERS, and put SAMPSON on Kareem. Why? Because he KNEW he had NO CHANCE with a helpless Hakeem guarding Kareem.

And before Dickwad brags about how Hakeem "dominated" the Lakers in '86, he SLIGHTLY outscored Kareem, by a 31 ppg to 27 ppg margin. He, of course outrebounded Kareem, 11 rpg to 6 rpg, but EVERYONE was outrebounding Kareem by that point in his career. And he BARELY outshot Kareem, by a .520 to .496 margin.

Let's get real here. Put the '72 Kareem, that was held to .457 shooting in the WCF's by an OLD Wilt, and to only .414 shooting in the last FOUR pivotal games of that series...against that Hakeem, and 50+ ppg games would have been the norm. Probably 60-70. Think about,...and OLD Kareem, playing 37 mpg, hung 46 points on that Hakeem, and on 70% shooting! Put a PEAK Kareem on that Hakeem, and, well...they would have booed Hakeem out of the building while Kareem would be scoring AT WILL against him.

Now, what we NEVER witnessed, though, was a PRIME Chamberlain against Kareem. The PRIME Wilt who absolutely destroyed MANY of the SAME centers that a PRIME Kareem would face, and against whom Kareem didn't come within the other side of the universe in dominating to the extent that a PRIME Chamberlain did.

How about this? A PRIME Kareem faced Thurmond in 43 H2H games. He had a total of SEVEN in which he scored 30+ against Nate, with a HIGH game of 34 points. A PRIME "scoring" Wilt (who was a FAR greater scorer in the POST-SEASON than a PRIME Hakeem EVER was BTW)...just SHELLED Thurmond in the span of 11 straight games, ranging from the last game of the '65 season, thru nine games in the '66 season, and into the first game of the '67 season. Included in those 11 straight games, were SIX games of 30+ (30, 33, 33, 34, 38, and even 45 points.) And in those games, he not only outscored Nate in TEN of the 11, he was outscoring him by margins of 33-17, 33-10, 38-15, and...get this...45-13.

In Wilt's 68-69 season, his ELEVENTH, at age 32, Chamberlain hung games of 60 on Connie Dierking, and 66 on Jim Fox. Kareem would come into the league the very next season, 69-70, and face those guys on numerous occasions. His high game against Dierking? 41 points. Oh, and BTW, in that SAME season, Chamberlain scored 43 against Dierking. And, I'm sure that if I took the time to look them up, I could find SEVERAL 50+ games against Dierking, as well.

How about Fox? Kareem faced Fox in some 30+ H2H's, and his HIGH game was 40 points.

How about Willis Reed? A PRIME "scoring" Wilt in his 64-65 season, and covering NINE H2H games, AVERAGED 40.1 ppg against Reed, with games in which he outscored Reed by margins of 41-9, 52-23, and 58-28. Find me ANY 50+ point game by Kareem against Reed.

How about the 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy? Kareem faced Bellamy in about 25 career H2H's (and Bellamy was a very good player even into his last season, and was playing fulltime.) Not only did Bellamy outscore Kareem in SEVERAL, Kareem's three highest games against Bellamy were 40, 39, and 35 points.

How about Wilt vs. Bellamy? Hell, in their FIRST GAME, Chamberlain waxed Bells by a 52-14 margin. In their first TWENTY STRAIGHT H2H games, Chamberlain AVERAGED...get this... 48.2 ppg against Bellamy (in ten games in 62-63, Wilt averaged 43.7 ppg, and in ten H2H's in the 61-62 season, Wilt averaged 52.7 ppg against Bellamy.) Wilt had FOUR games of 60+, SEVERAL more of 50+ (including one game in '66 in which he outscored Bellamy by a 50-26 margin), and how about this...his HIGH game against Bellamy was a 73 point game, on 29-48 shooting, with 36 rebounds.

And yet a PRIME Kareem, facing a declining Bellamy could "only" hang games of 40, 39, and 35 on Bellamy. BTW, Kareem also faced Darrall Imhoff in several games. Find me HIS 100 point game (or even a 56 point game, which Chamberlain plastered Imhoff with in their very next meeting, and in which Imhoff received a standing ovation.)


In any case, Dickwad drummed up an old VERY agenda driven video by known Wilt-hater Fecal9, in which Fecal EDITED two second half games in '64 and '67, in which he deliberately left out Wilt's dominating shots (and these two games were among the worst of Wilt's post season ...even though he outscored Russell in one of them by a 27-8 margin, while outrebounding him in the same game by a 38-19 margin.)

Dickwad alos challenged my take that Wilt came into the league with a GOOD OUTSIDE game. He demanded footage. I gave him a great highlight video, with Chamberlain hitting JUMP SHOTS from 15+ feet. BUT, that wasn't good enough for the clown. He wanted more game footage. I provided the '62 NBA all-star game...again, Chamberlain hitting a myriad of shots from up to 15 ft. (in a game in which was the greatest ever played by an all-star, in which he scored 42 points, on 17-23 shooting, and with 24 rebounds.) Not good enough for Dickwad. (As a sidenote Dickwad...care to give us Hakeem's all-star game stats... or 9 ppg on .409 shooting in his all-star career.) So, thanks to CavsFan and Jongib369, we have full game, and near full game footage, in which Chamberlain is ROUTINELY hitting shots from 15+ ft (including a recently released game in which he hits a beautiful JUMP SHOT from about 17 ft.)

So, if the idiotic Dickwad is going to waste time reposting an agenda-driven EDITED video in an OBVIOUS attempt to disparage Wilt, well, I will post KJ slamming the ball in Hakeem's grill.

Oh, and BTW, game four of the '99 Houston-LA playoff game is on YouTube in 10 segments. Go ahead and watch what a 26 year old Shaq just abuses a 36 year old Hakeem with. Incidently, a 36 year old Chamberlain held a 26 year old Kareem to .450 shooting in SIX regular season games (while Wilt shot .737 against Kareem, including one game in which he outscored Kareem, 24-21, while outshooting Kareem, 10-14 to 10-27.)

[CavaliersFTW]

That pass at 3:00 mark wtf :wtf: :bowdown:
That pass was made by Elgin Baylor

[jlauber]

@Cavaliers, And yet chances are that most of the hearsay that most Jlauber arguments are based on are utter and total bullshit.

HEARSAY! Heresay is when I post a VIDEO of TEX WINTER claiming that he witnessed a high school Chamberlain taking three steps and dunking the ball from the FT line. In fact, it was so much "hearsay" that Winter convinced the ruling bodies to BAN the dunking of FTs BECAUSE of Chamberlain.

You yourself have never provided one shred of actual RESEARCH to ANY of YOUR posts.

I have plastered MY posts with RESEARCH, FACTS, STATS, LOGIC, and even VIDEO FOOTAGE.

GTFO you moron.:facepalm

[jlauber]

Millwad - your trying to hate on Jlauber - great, but its pissing me off every time you carelessly throw former players (and an entire NBA era) under the bus. I don't know whether your banking on the fact that there is barely any film of that era to back up stupid demands like "Show me Calvin Murphy dunking!" (which is unfair). Or if your just genuinely convinced guys back then weren't athletic enough to dunk or finish left handed layups? (Which is just plain dumb).

There isn't a single Calvin Murphy game on film. Not one. Might as well say "show me film of him scratching his balls cause I don't believe he had any!". I combed my entire archive and found a grand total 1 minutes of footage of the guy. And what are the odds. He dunks in that footage. If A guy has 1 minute of footage to his name and in that 1 minute has a clip of him dunking... chances are it was no freak accident. Chances are, he's a dunker.

http://youtu.be/VPTFk7oMwZw

This dickwad clown is a complete idiot. As always he challenges anything I post, and as ALWAYS, I make a complete FOOL out of him. Once again he demands me to find someone who could dunk like the 6-1 KG (BTW, the 60's was FILLED with players who were playing ABOVE the RIM)...and, I IMMEDIATELY come up with an article on the 5-9 Calvin Murphy (BTW, one of the greatest scorers in college history, and a fine NBA player), and in which he was doing two-hand behind the head dunks. Dickwad challenges that article and demands VIDEO proof. Of course, as you said, you find a one minute VIDEO, and in it Murphy is dunking the ball.

And the moron STILL questions it.

Just like he did on your video when Chamberlain is CLEARLY within a couple of inches of the top-of-the-backboard (and here again, without benefit of a running start.)

Or my article on Gus Johnson's vertical, when he challenged the point about Joey Johnson's vertical. I IMMEDIATELY produced an article not only crediting Johnson with a 48" vertical, but it claimed that he had his CHIN above the rim. Of course he demanded more.

The FACT is, you could produce a VIDEO of Chamberlain doing backflips over the backboard, and he would still attempt to deny it.

From now on, the burden of proof will be on that legendary LIAR to disprove what everyone else posts.

[SyRyanYang]

Millwad with his agenda again:facepalm Truly sad

[jlauber]

Millwad with his agenda again:facepalm Truly sad

And as RIDICULOUS as it gets, too. Showing an off-balance Wilt, taking a poor shot as the shot-clock expired...and OBVIOUSLY insinuating that THAT was the REAL Wilt.

Pretty amazing. Compared against LEAGUE AVERAGE FG%, Chamberlain was perhaps the most EFFICIENT shooter in NBA history. And yet we are supposed to infer from this EDITED video that that was the NORMAL Chamberlain?

[millwad]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This coming from the biggest LIAR whoever posted on ISH. He SWORE that his loverboy Hakeem did NOT guard Kareem in the '86 REGULAR SEASON games. I then posted a RECAP which CLEARLY had a helpless Hakeem allowing a 39 year old Kareem (A 39 YEAR OLD KAREEM, who couldn't jump over a matchstick) just SLAUGHTERING a 23 year old Hakeem. 46 points, on 21-30 shooting, and in only 37 minutes. Not only that, but I posted FOOTAGE (unfortunately it has since been removed) of Kareem just embarrassing Hakeem with a 40 point game. It was LAUGHABLE. I could have defended Kareem better myself.

In fact, a 38-39 year old Kareem PUNISHED the inept defensive Hakeem to the tune of TEN STRAIGHT GAMES of 33.0 ppg on .630 shooting. I have challenged ANYONE here to find a more dominant stretch of TEN STRAIGHT GAMES, whether it be the greatest player of all-time versus the many scrubs that Hakeem himself, faced, that ever hung 10 straight games of 33 ppg on .630 shooting against ANYONE else.

Not only that, the SAME Hakeem who lined up directly in those boxscores with Kareem, who he TRIED to guard in ALL ten games (Dickwad has never been able to dispute it, because, quite frankly, he DID guard him in EVERY one of those regular season H2H's...but the burden is now on the LIAR to disprove it) was also lined up directly across Artis Gilmore in TEN STRAIGHT games from the 84-85 and 85-86 seasons (BTW, Dickwad challenged me on those games, and as ALWAYS, I made a complete FOOL out of him.) And in THOSE TEN STRAIGHT GAMES, Gilmore averaged 24 ppg on...get this... .677 shooting.

Then, Dickwad has the audacity to bring up a PRIME Kareem, in his greatest season, scoring 40 ppg on .500 (a CAREER high season against Wilt BTW), in FIVE games, against a 35 year old Chamberlain on a surgically repaired knee. And that was in FIVE games.

How about their CAREER H2H's, which again, favor Hakeem far more than Chamberlain. A 38-41 year Kareem (actually 42) outscored a 23-26 year old Hakeem, 23 ppg to 22 ppg,....which is bad enough, but Kareem OUTSHOT that helpless oaf by a staggering .607 to .512 margin. Meanwhile, a 34-36 year Chamberlain (BTW, a 33 year old Wilt just CRUSHED a 22 year old Kareem in their one H2H...but that was a healthy Wilt)...held a 23-26 year old Kareem to a CAREER .464 shooting.

Think about this. An OLD Chamberlain held a PRIME Kareem to .464 shooting in 28 H2H games, while an OLD Kareem, barely able to play 30 mpg, and do anything but shoot, shot .607 in 23 career H2H's against a 23-26 Hakeem.

And it gets worse. In those 28 H2H's with an OLD Wilt (who was ROUTINELY knocking the skyhook all over the gym...and when Dickwad challenged me on that, I immediately produced a video, in which Chamberlain smacked TWO skyhooks into Kareem's face, in a span of FIVE SECS)...this OLD Wilt, and against a PRIME ATHLETIC Kareem at his most dominant point in his career, to 10 games of shooting 50% or better. TEN games out of 28! And ONE game of over 60%. With SIX of under .399.

Now, how about a 23-26 year old Hakeem against a GERIATRIC Kareem, aged 38-42? In 23 career H2H's, Kareem shot 50%, or better, in TWENTY of them. Oh, and he shot 60%, or better, in a staggering TWELVE of them. Oh, and he shot better than 70% in, get this...FIVE of them.

And before Dickwad LIES, and claims that Hakeem stopped Kareem in the '86 WCF's, well, the TRUTH was, Fitch FINALLY took the advice of SPORTSWRITERS, and put SAMPSON on Kareem. Why? Because he KNEW he had NO CHANCE with a helpless Hakeem guarding Kareem.

And before Dickwad brags about how Hakeem "dominated" the Lakers in '86, he SLIGHTLY outscored Kareem, by a 31 ppg to 27 ppg margin. He, of course outrebounded Kareem, 11 rpg to 6 rpg, but EVERYONE was outrebounding Kareem by that point in his career. And he BARELY outshot Kareem, by a .520 to .496 margin.

Let's get real here. Put the '72 Kareem, that was held to .457 shooting in the WCF's by an OLD Wilt, and to only .414 shooting in the last FOUR pivotal games of that series...against that Hakeem, and 50+ ppg games would have been the norm. Probably 60-70. Think about,...and OLD Kareem, playing 37 mpg, hung 46 points on that Hakeem, and on 70% shooting! Put a PEAK Kareem on that Hakeem, and, well...they would have booed Hakeem out of the building while Kareem would be scoring AT WILL against him.

Now, what we NEVER witnessed, though, was a PRIME Chamberlain against Kareem. The PRIME Wilt who absolutely destroyed MANY of the SAME centers that a PRIME Kareem would face, and against whom Kareem didn't come within the other side of the universe in dominating to the extent that a PRIME Chamberlain did.

How about this? A PRIME Kareem faced Thurmond in 43 H2H games. He had a total of SEVEN in which he scored 30+ against Nate, with a HIGH game of 34 points. A PRIME "scoring" Wilt (who was a FAR greater scorer in the POST-SEASON than a PRIME Hakeem EVER was BTW)...just SHELLED Thurmond in the span of 11 straight games, ranging from the last game of the '65 season, thru nine games in the '66 season, and into the first game of the '67 season. Included in those 11 straight games, were SIX games of 30+ (30, 33, 33, 34, 38, and even 45 points.) And in those games, he not only outscored Nate in TEN of the 11, he was outscoring him by margins of 33-17, 33-10, 38-15, and...get this...45-13.

In Wilt's 68-69 season, his ELEVENTH, at age 32, Chamberlain hung games of 60 on Connie Dierking, and 66 on Jim Fox. Kareem would come into the league the very next season, 69-70, and face those guys on numerous occasions. His high game against Dierking? 41 points. Oh, and BTW, in that SAME season, Chamberlain scored 43 against Dierking. And, I'm sure that if I took the time to look them up, I could find SEVERAL 50+ games against Dierking, as well.

How about Fox? Kareem faced Fox in some 30+ H2H's, and his HIGH game was 40 points.

How about Willis Reed? A PRIME "scoring" Wilt in his 64-65 season, and covering NINE H2H games, AVERAGED 40.1 ppg against Reed, with games in which he outscored Reed by margins of 41-9, 52-23, and 58-28. Find me ANY 50+ point game by Kareem against Reed.

How about the 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy? Kareem faced Bellamy in about 25 career H2H's (and Bellamy was a very good player even into his last season, and was playing fulltime.) Not only did Bellamy outscore Kareem in SEVERAL, Kareem's three highest games against Bellamy were 40, 39, and 35 points.

How about Wilt vs. Bellamy? Hell, in their FIRST GAME, Chamberlain waxed Bells by a 52-14 margin. In their first TWENTY STRAIGHT H2H games, Chamberlain AVERAGED...get this... 48.2 ppg against Bellamy (in ten games in 62-63, Wilt averaged 43.7 ppg, and in ten H2H's in the 61-62 season, Wilt averaged 52.7 ppg against Bellamy.) Wilt had FOUR games of 60+, SEVERAL more of 50+ (including one game in '66 in which he outscored Bellamy by a 50-26 margin), and how about this...his HIGH game against Bellamy was a 73 point game, on 29-48 shooting, with 36 rebounds.

And yet a PRIME Kareem, facing a declining Bellamy could "only" hang games of 40, 39, and 35 on Bellamy. BTW, Kareem also faced Darrall Imhoff in several games. Find me HIS 100 point game (or even a 56 point game, which Chamberlain plastered Imhoff with in their very next meeting, and in which Imhoff received a standing ovation.)


In any case, Dickwad drummed up an old VERY agenda driven video by known Wilt-hater Fecal9, in which Fecal EDITED two second half games in '64 and '67, in which he deliberately left out Wilt's dominating shots (and these two games were among the worst of Wilt's post season ...even though he outscored Russell in one of them by a 27-8 margin, while outrebounding him in the same game by a 38-19 margin.)

Dickwad alos challenged my take that Wilt came into the league with a GOOD OUTSIDE game. He demanded footage. I gave him a great highlight video, with Chamberlain hitting JUMP SHOTS from 15+ feet. BUT, that wasn't good enough for the clown. He wanted more game footage. I provided the '62 NBA all-star game...again, Chamberlain hitting a myriad of shots from up to 15 ft. (in a game in which was the greatest ever played by an all-star, in which he scored 42 points, on 17-23 shooting, and with 24 rebounds.) Not good enough for Dickwad. (As a sidenote Dickwad...care to give us Hakeem's all-star game stats... or 9 ppg on .409 shooting in his all-star career.) So, thanks to CavsFan and Jongib369, we have full game, and near full game footage, in which Chamberlain is ROUTINELY hitting shots from 15+ ft (including a recently released game in which he hits a beautiful JUMP SHOT from about 17 ft.)

So, if the idiotic Dickwad is going to waste time reposting an agenda-driven EDITED video in an OBVIOUS attempt to disparage Wilt, well, I will post KJ slamming the ball in Hakeem's grill.

Oh, and BTW, game four of the '99 Houston-LA playoff game is on YouTube in 10 segments. Go ahead and watch what a 26 year old Shaq just abuses a 36 year old Hakeem with. Incidently, a 36 year old Chamberlain held a 26 year old Kareem to .450 shooting in SIX regular season games (while Wilt shot .737 against Kareem, including one game in which he outscored Kareem, 24-21, while outshooting Kareem, 10-14 to 10-27.)

Someone's mad... :facepalm

And talking about quotes, what happened with you really? You're the same idiot who wrote that Bill Russell would be like Ben Wallace in the modern era...

You didn't even see Wilt play and it's confirmed a hell along time ago..

Everyone is clowning you, CavsFTW who loves Wilt is clowning you as well and he made this video about you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHJuifYlbY

Even Wilt-fans are mocking you, you're a joke.. :facepalm

And I'm not going to waste time to confront you on your cherry picked stats in the post above, I've already destroyed you time after time when you mentioned the stuff above.

[jlauber]

Someone's mad... :facepalm

And talking about quotes, what happened with you really? You're the same idiot who wrote that Bill Russell would be like Ben Wallace in the modern era...

You didn't even see Wilt play and it's confirmed a hell along time ago..

Everyone is clowning you, CavsFTW who loves Wilt is clowning you as well and he made this video about you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHJuifYlbY

Even Wilt-fans are mocking you, you're a joke.. :facepalm

And I'm not going to waste time to confront you on your cherry picked stats in the post above, I've already destroyed you time after time when you mentioned the stuff above.

I absolutely saw Chamberlain play.

You NEVER saw a GAME between Hakeem and Kareem, though, did you? You certainly couldn't recall the FACT that Kareem was just DESTROYING the helpless Hakeem.

As for CavsFan, I could not care less what he thinks...but I find it interesting that in THIS very (absurd) topic, he went out of his way to question YOUR research, while backing up MINE...


Millwad - your trying to hate on Jlauber - great, but its pissing me off every time you carelessly throw former players (and an entire NBA era) under the bus. I don't know whether your banking on the fact that there is barely any film of that era to back up stupid demands like "Show me Calvin Murphy dunking!" (which is unfair). Or if your just genuinely convinced guys back then weren't athletic enough to dunk or finish left handed layups? (Which is just plain dumb).

There isn't a single Calvin Murphy game on film. Not one. Might as well say "show me film of him scratching his balls cause I don't believe he had any!". I combed my entire archive and found a grand total 1 minutes of footage of the guy. And what are the odds. He dunks in that footage. If A guy has 1 minute of footage to his name and in that 1 minute has a clip of him dunking... chances are it was no freak accident. Chances are, he's a dunker

[millwad]

I absolutely saw Chamberlain play.


Why did you claim that he only faced "stiffs" early on and why did you claim that Russell was a Ben Wallace type of player before you changed your mind completely?

And why did you change your mind over Wilt and his era 40 years after he actually played? Why did you change your mind over youtube and quotes if you actually saw him play.



You NEVER saw a GAME between Hakeem and Kareem, though, did you? You certainly couldn't recall the FACT that Kareem was just DESTROYING the helpless Hakeem.

Haha, you certainly can't recall Olajuwon that a 2nd year pro absolutely destroyed Kareem. And that was the playoffs, still asking to discuss meaningless regular season games? :facepalm

And haha, you couldn't even remember how good Wilt and his era was 'til you saw him on youtube so shut it, old fart.


[QUOTE=jlauber]
As for CavsFan, I could not care less what he thinks...but I find it interesting that in THIS very (absurd) topic, he went out of his way to question YOUR research, while backing up MINE...

Because he's coward, he mocked you in crazy many PM's to me and if he won't admit it, then he's even a bigger coward than I thought.

And he loves Chamberlain, what did you think?

Now go and ask him why he PM'd me so many times about how retarded you are and ask him why he made a video where he mocked you.. :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

millwad, is it true that jlauber said that Wilt was the greatest winner of all-time and a great shooter?

[millwad]

millwad, is it true that jlauber said that Wilt was the greatest winner of all-time and a great shooter?

Yes, which is funny considering the fact that Wilt only won two rings as a tied 2nd and fourth option on offense. And it's also funny that the great shooter also was the worst FT-shooter in league history.

[jlauber]

Yes, which is funny considering the fact that Wilt only won two rings as a tied 2nd and fourth option on offense. And it's also funny that the great shooter also was the worst FT-shooter in league history.

Find me the post where I claimed that Wilt was the greatest winner in NBA history (if indeed you claimed that I made that statement.)

As for Wilt's shooting skills...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

And, as I have pointed out before...how about Bruce Bowen? He LED the NBA in 3pt shooting one season, at .441. And in that SAME season, he shot .404 from the line. How is that possible?

[millwad]

Find me the post where I claimed that Wilt was the greatest winner in NBA history (if indeed you claimed that I made that statement.)

As for Wilt's shooting skills...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

As for Wilt's shooting skills...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITxDdnzpnU8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN7fndDd0B4

[Deuce Bigalow]

Find me the post where I claimed that Wilt was the greatest winner in NBA history (if indeed you claimed that I made that statement.)

As for Wilt's shooting skills...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

And, as I have pointed out before...how about Bruce Bowen? He LED the NBA in 3pt shooting one season, at .441. And in that SAME season, he shot .404 from the line. How is that possible?
So you think Wilt was a great shooter?

[jlauber]

So you think Wilt was a great shooter?

Chamberlain holds the TWO highest FG% marks in NBA history, as well as outshooting the league average by the largest margins in NBA history.

He consistently outshot the league average by margins of 100+ to as high as 271 points above the league average.

We have FOOTAGE (and more and more is becoming available), even game footage now, in which Chamberlain was ROUTINELY hitting 12-15+ ft shots.

And, BTW, where do you rank Shaq (and HIS shooting skills)?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Chamberlain holds the TWO highest FG% marks in NBA history, as well as outshooting the league average by the largest margins in NBA history.

He consistently outshot the league average by margins of 100+ to as high as 271 points above the league average.

We have FOOTAGE (and more and more is becoming available), even game footage now, in which Chamberlain was ROUTINELY hitting 12-15+ ft shots.

And, BTW, where do you rank Shaq (and HIS shooting skills)?
Both Wilt and Shaq were garbage shooters. Get real old man.
Rank? Uh, outside the top 1000.

[RRR3]

Both Wilt and Shaq were garbage shooters. Get real old man.
I thought you liked garbage shooters, though, bro, I mean being a Kobe fan and all :confusedshrug:

[Deuce Bigalow]

I thought you liked garbage shooters, though, bro, I mean being a Kobe fan and all :confusedshrug:
****ing retard

[Punpun]

BLUB BLUB

Read again this post. I doon't have to back up that post with any kind of examples because of the way I phrased it and because of what said post mean. I'm not trying to state a fact here. If I were, I'd have to back up that post. But I didn't Jlauber.

L2Debate.

[RRR3]

****ing retard
Damn bro u seem a little mad. BTW I saw you tried to neg me but you actually ended up repping me instead:lol :lol :roll: thanks, man, appreciate it. Not surprised your dumbass is too stupid to figure out how to neg people, though :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Damn bro u seem a little mad. BTW I saw you tried to neg me but you actually ended up repping me instead:lol :lol :roll: thanks, man, appreciate it. Not surprised your dumbass is too stupid to figure out how to neg people, though :oldlol:
I'm mad how society can produce people as stupid as you.

[RRR3]

I'm mad how society can produce people as stupid as you.
It's sad what LeBron assent and Kobe's decline have reduced you Kobe kidz to. Having to fap over "highlights" of Oldbe "dominating" a bunch of 4'8 Chinese scrubs :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

It's sad what LeBron has reduced you Kobe kidz to. Having to fap over "highlights" of Oldbe "dominating" a bunch of 4'8 Chinese scrubs :roll:
Do you not read your own posts?

Kobe is a 5x Champion. I aint mad. But you're to stupid to know this. You might even think 1>5?

[RRR3]

Do you not read your own posts?

Kobe is a 5x Champion. I aint mad. But you're to stupid to know this. You might even think 1>5?
Proof you have a Kobetard on the ropes: they fall back on the "DURRRRRRR FIVE RANGZZZ DOEEEE" argument:oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Proof you have a Kobetard on the ropes: they fall back on the "DURRRRRRR FIVE RANGZZZ DOEEEE" argument:oldlol:
Good good, let the 5 rings butthurt flow through you

More than your favorite franchises (Heat, Magic with Mac) combined :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Good good, let the 5 rings butthurt flow through you

More than your favorite franchises (Heat, Magic with Mac) combined :oldlol:
My favorite franchise (St. Louis) has 11 rings. Suck it :pimp: and we won 'em all in STL, we don't count rings won elsewhere (*cough* minneapolis *cough*)

[PistolPete44]

Deuce Bigalow getting respected here again....
**** this site

[Colbertnation64]

I would put money down betting milwad doesn't have many friends, guy takes the internet too seriously. The word cowardly being used to describe a poster lmaooooooo

[Pointguard]

Can't you read?
I wrote, in game dunk, he claimed that Calvin Murphy was just as athletic like KJ and that he could dunk like KJ. There's nothing to back up a statement like that, the footage is damn limited when it comes to Murphy but you don't have to be a genius to know that Calvin was no where close to the dunker KJ was nor as athletic. You guys are great with them articles, if Calvin was a dunker of KJ's ability then it would be EVERYWHERE.

And players back then were way less athletic than the average modern era player, it's a fact. Or maybe you like to believe all those hoax stories where old players recall how great they were..

Not to prove or disprove a point... .

I lived in the neighborhood where Tiny Archibald grew up and he would come back and tell us stories - actually he still does this til this day. He said Calvin Murphy was a boxer and uncommonly super coordinated. He said he could dribble two balls at pretty much full speed up the court and then dunk one of the balls straight up and then bounce the other ball so high that he could come back down and grab the other ball in flight and dunk that ball too. Tiny will tell you that Calvin is the reason why camps make you do the two hand dribble today.

The clips I saw of Calvin he looked a lot like Tim Hardaway - a bit quicker with less dribble.



Man up some if you really believe that some posters are underrating other era's and players which Jlaubber is doing constantly, and considering how many of his posts you've read and never confronted...

In general people pick their battles here. CavFTW isn't obligated to make every stand you find important. I think most of the posters here over forty feel that the perimeter players have evolved across the board but the center position and post play is in retrograde. The 90's had some great players at center but its been dry as of late. DH is in a class by himself and his post skills pretty much suck. He's primarily energy, athleticism and will power. He can score a bit too. But I wouldn't call him skilled, or great in fundamentals, a man who covers all the center responsibilities, a guy who can pass out of the pivot, a leader, a guy that controls the paint, or a guy who elevates the position. I have argued here several times that DH isn't even very integrated into his team's energy or success in the playoffs. Yet, he's much better than any other center by a mile.

Russell has all of DH's great traits plus he was a great leader, exerted his will on the game, was the center piece of his team on both offense and defense, controlled the paint, a guy that elevated his position, was solid in fundamentals and very much the core of his team's success and inspiration. He doesn't score like DH but its a tradeoff I would take. What center, now, are you comparing to Wilt and Russell athletically?: Fundamentally? Skill wise? Tenacity? Aggressiveness? Post control? Team control? Awareness around the basket? Responsibilities of the center role? Pass from the pivot? Leadership? Ability to adjust to other center roles? Who even has the center role in control and rocking it with impact?

Most of the players back then played with pride, gusto and intention in their work. There was a work ethic back then. Work always has value whereas Darko doesn't. According to draft camp records, Darko is an athletic freak by today's measures. Kwame Brown and Javale McGee are also among the top five of the most athletic centers. Wilt would definitely have another record if he had to face those guys 33 times a year. A guy with simply good work ethic would standout among centers today. Work ethic and pride in one's work was the way of life in the 60's. Jerry Lucas would at least be the best rebounder in the game as he was a taller version of Kevin Love - had a good long range shot as well. Thurmond would be in a league by himself as a defender today. Reed would be the league's work horse. Bellamy would be a lot like DH - less defense I imagine but more offense. Put Russell in the mix and Wilt would be facing 5 guys or about 40-50 games against guys that would stand out today.

Work ethic and fundamentals would survive in an era where those qualities lack, and this is true in all human works. What centers are you claiming that would erase that value today?

[millwad]

I would put money down betting milwad doesn't have many friends, guy takes the internet too seriously. The word cowardly being used to describe a poster lmaooooooo

A coward is someone who licks butt in the forum but badmouths the same person in PM's and makes videos about him..

And many friends, yeah, my 2 posts per day takes all my time, I have no time for friends. But Jlauber who averages 4 times more posts per day where he only concentrates on spamming on Wilt, a player he never saw play but still is crazy about must be one hell of a popular guy.. :facepalm

[Colbertnation64]

A coward is someone who licks butt in the forum but badmouths the same person in PM's and makes videos about him..

And many friends, yeah, my 2 posts per day takes all my time, I have no time for friends. But Jlauber who averages 4 times more posts per day where he only concentrates on spamming on Wilt, a player he never saw play but still is crazy about must be one hell of a popular guy.. :facepalm

lol look at this guy taking this board so seriously.

I've never even talked to jlauber before barley know who he is or seen him post.

Don't care about his popularity. I'm just pointing out what kind of vibe I'm getting from you.

[millwad]

lol look at this guy taking this board so seriously.

I've never even talked to jlauber before barley know who he is or seen him post.

Don't care about his popularity. I'm just pointing out what kind of vibe I'm getting from you.

If you don't know who the guy is and if you've never seen his post and don't know the major spamming and namecalling he's been up to, go and check it out..

[TheBigVeto]

I'd take pre-2012 Lebron in clutch situation over Wilt. Any day, any time, any where.

[G-train]

Millwad has levelled up to full troll status.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I lost it when I heard that guy's laugh in the audience :roll:

[jongib369]

that was probably one of his ugliest fadeaways...I've seen him do it as smoothly as Jordan..and as Quick...plusthe last second shot really wasnt THAT bad...he had no time to set it up and he launched it close to the correct spot on the backboard...he attempted a last second FUNDAMENTAL bank shot


BUT, that guys laugh made me LOL

:roll: :roll: :roll: