If Lebron Wins the Championship in 2013, Where does he Rank All-Time?

[Foster5k]

Lebron is, without question, one of the greatest to ever play, and one of the most dominate figures in sports ever. However, if he wins another ring, in 2013, where will he rank on the All-Time NBA list of legendary players?

[1987_Lakers]

#10 Imo.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Depends what else he wins. FMVP MVP First team selections etc..

[imdaman99]

#1. why stop at top 10? is that what you wanna hear?

[BruceLeeBowen]

Back to back? Beating Howard, Kobe, Nash lakers/OKC?
Easily 10 kicking Hakeem to 11.:bowdown:

[KOBE143]

he will enter the top 50

[NumberSix]

top 3

[TheeBeast]

he will enter the top 50
:oldlol:

[ripthekik]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
still only winning after joining 2 top stars.
he's not moving anywhere. top 15.

[AK47DR91]

He'll be #9 for me.

Back-to-back rings
1 or 2 Finals MVP, most likely 2(back-to-back is always a plus)
3 MVPs, maybe even a 4th

[jongib369]

nowhere...Personally I don't like ranking someone until their entire career is over :D....BUUUT at gun point? Well In no particular order my personal top 10 retired players are

**=Lebron Cant replace
*Lebron Could possibly replace


Bill Russell**
Jordan**
Kareem**
Magic**
Bird**
Wilt**
Oscar Robertson**
Shaq**
Moses* :confusedshrug:
Karl* :confusedshrug:

[LeBird]

Probably right after Bird, Magic, Wilt, Russell, Jordan, Kareem; fairly easily in the top 10. If he wins another 1-2 he'll have a case as good as any of them in my eyes for GOAT.

[Deuce Bigalow]

11th. Hakeem has back to back rings and Finals MVPs, Wilt 2 rings, Duncan 4 rings 3 FMVPs, Kobe 5 rings 2 FMVPs, Shaq 4 rings 3 FMVPs, Bird 3 rings 2 FMVPs, Kareem 6 rings 2 FMVPs, Russell 8 rings, Magic 5 rings 3 FMVPs, MJ 6 rings 6 FMVPs.

[RRR3]

Kobe fans absolutely SHOOK :pimp:

[Nash]

11th. Hakeem has back to back rings and Finals MVPs, Wilt 2 rings, Duncan 4 rings 3 FMVPs, Kobe 5 rings 2 FMVPs, Shaq 4 rings 3 FMVPs, Bird 3 rings 2 FMVPs, Kareem 6 rings 2 FMVPs, Russell 8 rings, Magic 5 rings 3 FMVPs, MJ 6 rings 6 FMVPs.
Lebron will have 2 rings, 2 FMVP, 3 or 4 MVP's and made the finals 4 times.

[raprap]

Depends on how he performs, if he plays like 2011 bron, right there with hakeem or above him. Top 10 for sure :applause:

[blacknapalm]

top 12 for sure. everything else is conjecture and depends on how he gets there. if he becomes MVP again, top three in DPOY or is clearly the best player in the finals...that will only obviously help his case and rank him higher

[pauk]

He'll be #9 for me.

Back-to-back rings
2 Finals MVP
3 MVPs, maybe even a 4th
another all-star, 1st all-nba and 1st all-defensive honor
more stats, totals, records, milestones
more POTMs
maybe a 3rd all-star mvp
another "best player in the world" year


This

[Quickening]

Takes Kobe place at 9.

[Lebron23]

Number 9

[Vertical-24]

nowhere...Personally I don't like ranking someone until their entire career is over :D....BUUUT at gun point? Well In no particular order my personal top 10 retired players are

**=Lebron Cant replace
*Lebron Could possibly replace


Bill Russell**
Jordan**
Kareem**
Magic**
Bird**
Wilt**
Oscar Robertson**
Shaq**
Moses* :confusedshrug:
Karl* :confusedshrug:

No Hakeem, Duncan or Kobe but Big O, Moses and Malone? GTFO.

Your entire opinion is no longer valid. And LeBron can replace Shaq, Wilt or Bird in my opinion. Just stop it.

[kennethgriffin]

in the eyes of lebron fans = top 5

in the eyes of everyone else = top 10-11 ( would still be 50/50 on bumping hakeem... people will argue his 94 title is worth 5 titles with wade/bosh )

[Freedom Kid7]

If he wins another ring, that would be the moral equivalent of someone dropping an atomic bomb on ISH. Confusion and hysteria everywhere. Analysis everywhere, etc.

I'd actually put him ahead of Kobe if he wins another one and gets at least two more all star games under his belt (which I'm fairly sure will happen at this point)

[Dictator]

You guys gotta remember. Lebron "is" playing with Wade Bosh Allen

[dyna]

10

[Lebron23]

You guys gotta remember. Lebron "is" playing with Wade Bosh Allen


That's a retarded logic Mr. European. Kobe is now playing with Nash, Gasol, Howard. He played with the best Center in the 2000's.

[Lebron23]

If he wins another ring, that would be the moral equivalent of someone dropping an atomic bomb on ISH. Confusion and hysteria everywhere. Analysis everywhere, etc.

I'd actually put him ahead of Kobe if he wins another one and gets at least two more all star games under his belt (which I'm fairly sure will happen at this point)


This

[Jax]

If that happens Lebron will have the same number of finals MVP that Kobe has, since Lebron>Kobe anyways, I'd put him top7. If he wins another ring and isn't Finals MVP then all hell breaks lose on ISH.
Truth be reality when he retires he's gonna be top2 for sure.

[jongib369]

No Hakeem, Duncan or Kobe but Big O, Moses and Malone? GTFO.

Your entire opinion is no longer valid. And LeBron can replace Shaq, Wilt or Bird in my opinion. Just stop it.

LMFAO what a tard you are, it's an opinion and nothing more deal with it...and I FORGOT to mention Hakeem...Replace moses with hakeem..And if you had any reading comprehension you would have noticed I said I DON'T RATE PEOPLE UNTIL THEY ARE RETIRED..IT WAS A LIST OF RETIRED PLAYERS which I said... Is Duncan retired Mr omnipresent ISH poster? Now your opinion is invalid because you obviously can't read

And yes, the BIG O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ee2Ag5GeMQ


(I'm just messing with you I don't take this shit serious, just giving you what you gave to me)

[FreezingTsmoove]

I'm not bumping Hakeem in my top 10 list I will be bumping Tim Duncan.

[fpliii]

No way of knowing. Raw ring count doesn't mean all that much, so it really depends on what kind of run he has, as well as how much help he receives.

I doubt Wade/Bosh will be as hurt as they were this season, so this ring won't be as meaningful as LeBron's first unless he puts up monster numbers (i.e. 09 playoffs).

[Dictator]

That's a retarded logic Mr. European. Kobe is now playing with Nash, Gasol, Howard. He played with the best Center in the 2000's.


Who mentioned Kobe?????? :facepalm

I didn't even post anythingthat would make you need to use the word "logic".....

[Sleu27]

Back to back? Beating Howard, Kobe, Nash lakers/OKC?
Easily 10 kicking Hakeem to 11.:bowdown:

Nah

This makes more sense

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz194/saes329/tumblr_m2ly43o2JL1rtvmxyo1_400.png

:D

[Vertical-24]

LMFAO what a tard you are, it's an opinion and nothing more deal with it...and I FORGOT to mention Hakeem...Replace moses with hakeem..And if you had any reading comprehension you would have noticed I said I DON'T RATE PEOPLE UNTIL THEY ARE RETIRED..IT WAS A LIST OF RETIRED PLAYERS which I said... Is Duncan retired Mr omnipresent ISH poster? Now your opinion is invalid because you obviously can't read

And yes, the BIG O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ee2Ag5GeMQ


(I'm just messing with you I don't take this shit serious, just giving you what you gave to me)

http://www.zaaap.net/wp-content/gallery/your-argument-is-invalid-1/your_argument_is_invalid_zaaap_1.jpg

and lol I know man, this forum shit is never to be taken that seriously.

But yeah, fundamental disagreement between us in our ranking of top 10, while I like your criteria involving a persons retirement, I don't deem it completely neccessary in ranking. You can pretty much get a general feel for a person's ranking usually toward the twilight of their careers (ala Duncan, Kobe).

And the Big O was incredible, can't argue but the lack of hardware makes it difficult for me to put him in that top 10, can't argue with top 12-15 though.

And say whatever you want about him, but by the time he retires (in accordance with your conditions), you can't leave out this man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyKgaeAoa-g

[Freedom Kid7]

I don't know 'bout you guys, but Kobe gets the kick outta my top 10 not Hakeem

[GoSpursGo1984]

I don't know 'bout you guys, but Kobe gets the kick outta my top 10 not Hakeem

So Kobe's bigger number of rings means nothing to you? It is amazing how compared to other greats Kobe accomplishments get devalued.

[Freedom Kid7]

So Kobe's bigger number of rings means nothing to you? It is amazing how compared to other greats Kobe accomplishments get devalued.
I don't count Kobe's first three to be honest. He was the Pippen to Shaq. That, and Hakeem's back-to-backs>>>Kobe's back-to-back.

[alleykat]

depends again on wut else he wins....

fans of him will rate him too high
fans of kobe will rate him too low....
I'm usually not one to generalize but these boards have proven it....

to me as of right now kobe and him are interchangeable....take away the hype of both including the fans and just look at skills and games alone, it's easy to see they both have incredible games and skills yet have had major letdowns as well.....

[KyrieTheFuture]

10-12 as he is 12-15 now.

[Lebron23]

http://www.daviddarling.info/images2/number_9.jpg

[All Net]

If he beats L.A to win another ring many will have him in the top 10 I have no doubt about that.

[tmacattack33]

It doesn't matter about the ring. If he plays amazing, he will be ranked high to me. If he doesn't, he won't.

[SpecialQue]

The better question is...WHAT IF HE NEVER WINS AGAIN????

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/tumblr_lugsodPWWM1qd6s2yo1_500.gif

[G.O.A.T]

No way of knowing. Raw ring count doesn't mean all that much


It sort of does though.

Your point is well taken it's not just about the rings, however...

The typical top ten seems to be:

Bird, Duncan, Hakeem, Jordan, Kareem, Kobe, Magic, Russell, Shaq, Wilt

Those are the ten guys who would have at least two titles as the best player and at least two finals MVPs (had they always been given out) in the post shot clock era.

So getting that second ring as the best clear best player and finals MVP does mean something.

In my opinion, with the aforementioned season no worse than 12. I'd probably have him between 7 and 9 ahead of Hakeem, Mikan and Kobe for sure and depending on if he won another regular season MVP probably closer to #7 right on Bird's tail.

[kNicKz]

Not at all a Lebron hater, but top 10 players are players that change the game. Lebron has been a great player but he hasnt revolutionized anything, he's just good at everything. For example, I have Iverson in the top 10 because he really left a mark on the game and his influence is seen in every NBA game you watch. With Lebron, He's just a big ass dude that can keep up with anyone, and roids are a possibility, dude could probably scrape a gorilla. Idk. And the Miami shit isn't even that serious. If cleveland signed Wade/Bosh and payed luxury nobody would have said anything like with the 08 celtics......hating on Lebron is stupid but so is putting him in the top 10 of all time

[PyrrhusX]

Takes Kobe place at 9.

This.
Cant see him regressing this year. Its gonna all depend on how wade heals up.

[SpecialQue]

Not at all a Lebron hater, but top 10 players are players that change the game. Lebron has been a great player but he hasnt revolutionized anything, he's just good at everything. For example, I have Iverson in the top 10 because he really left a mark on the game and his influence is seen in every NBA game you watch. With Lebron, He's just a big ass dude that can keep up with anyone, and roids are a possibility, dude could probably scrape a gorilla. Idk. And the Miami shit isn't even that serious. If cleveland signed Wade/Bosh and payed luxury nobody would have said anything like with the 08 celtics......hating on Lebron is stupid but so is putting him in the top 10 of all time

Coming from a Laker fan, I can say the same exact thing about Kobe, which is why I'm not the biggest fan of his style of play, even if I love having him on my favorite team.

[kNicKz]

To me guys like Wilt are really up there because they literally changed the rules of the game because of him

[coin24]

14-20...

Maybe higher towards the end of his career, anything could happen..

[SpecialQue]

To me guys like Wilt are really up there because they literally changed the rules of the game because of him

If you really want to go down that road, then Mikan's in the top 10 because they had to make the court bigger and introduce the shot clock because of him. Not to mention the modern NBA would not have existed if not for him being the first NBA star and being a reason for fans to show up.

[kNicKz]

Yes, Mikan is a legend, didn't even think that would be in question...

http://www.nba.com/lakers/photos/history_laker_greats.jpg

[BrickingStar]

Not at all a Lebron hater, but top 10 players are players that change the game. Lebron has been a great player but he hasnt revolutionized anything, he's just good at everything. For example, I have Iverson in the top 10 because he really left a mark on the game and his influence is seen in every NBA game you watch. With Lebron, He's just a big ass dude that can keep up with anyone, and roids are a possibility, dude could probably scrape a gorilla. Idk. And the Miami shit isn't even that serious. If cleveland signed Wade/Bosh and payed luxury nobody would have said anything like with the 08 celtics......hating on Lebron is stupid but so is putting him in the top 10 of all time
Puting lebron at 10 is stupid but have iverson in the top 10 isn't? Not surprise you're a knicks fan. Please stop posting you ****ing retard

[kNicKz]

His style changed the sport of basketball, deal with it

[Freedom Kid7]

kNicKz, can I see your top 10, I'm relatively intrigued.

[kNicKz]

no

[BrickingStar]

His style changed the sport of basketball, deal with it
Do you work for the knicks FO? Would explain why they ****ing suck if they don't even know how to rank the greatest players of all time. Chucking is suddenly changing a sport? Tattoos?

[kNicKz]

:roll: dudeee you got me I work in their front office good call son

[Lebron23]

kNicKz, can I see your top 10, I'm relatively intrigued.

He's a stupid gimmick account.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=211700

[kNicKz]

Bro, your username in Lebron23, 3 years ago you were a Cleveland fan :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Not a gimmick account, is that that ****ing crazy? dude tried to do all the fancy fade aways and shit in the 2011 finals and it was embarrassing, hes athletic as hell and has high IQ, cool......

[Lebron23]

http://i55.tinypic.com/6s5clg.jpg

[Pacers4ever]

Bro, your username in Lebron23, 3 years ago you were a Cleveland fan :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Not a gimmick account, is that that ****ing crazy? dude tried to do all the fancy fade aways and shit in the 2011 finals and it was embarrassing, hes athletic as hell and has high IQ, cool......
LeBron>Iverson it's not even remotely close. Crossovers are cool but shooting 40% isn't as well as winning nothing.

[kNicKz]

I don't get why the top 10 shit here is so serious. Who gives a **** if I have Iverson in my top 10? I loved to watch him play and loved how he continually created on the court. Everyones top 10 is going to go back to what they love to watch. I'm sure some people have dudes like Duncan/Garnett in their top 5 because they just love that style. I explained why Lebron isn't in my top 10 and apparently people are offended :roll:

[kNicKz]

http://i55.tinypic.com/6s5clg.jpg

Seriously though, switching teams because their best player left is actually embarrassing as hell and borderline dickrider status

[Pacers4ever]

I don't get why the top 10 shit here is so serious. Who gives a **** if I have Iverson in my top 10? I loved to watch him play and loved how he continually created on the court. Everyones top 10 is going to go back to what they love to watch. I'm sure some people have dudes like Duncan/Garnett in their top 5 because they just love that style. I explained why Lebron isn't in my top 10 and apparently people are offended :roll:
No because loving someone style doesn't mean their greater then players like duncan, kobe, MJ, lebron ect... pretty sure they know the difference between top 10 GOAT and top 10 players style in people's opinions.

[kNicKz]

Whatever floats your boat, but we all know that the root of peoples top 10 comes from personal taste. Find a celtics fan with kobe in their top list of players

[Mr. Jabbar]

Seriously though, switching teams because their best player left is actually embarrassing as hell and borderline dickrider status

scratch borderline

[kNicKz]

When i saw this dude bucking I actually started laughing

[BrickingStar]

Whatever floats your boat, but we all know that the root of peoples top 10 comes from personal taste. Find a celtics fan with kobe in their top list of players
I'm pretty sure Celtic fans that aren't retarded NOTE:RETARDED know that kobe is top 10. I've never heard a celtic fan say KG is better then Kobe all time.

[YAWN]

11 or 10 depending on how things went down. He'd take Hakeems spot in my top 10 with a stellar season and solid playoff run.

[TheBigVeto]

He cannot overtake Kobe's place in top 10 GOAT, because Kobe is not in the top 10 GOAT.

[bizil]

If Bron gets a ring, then I think he enters the top ten. Hell he's arguably in the top ten already! He's going into his 10th season and has 19,045 career points a ring, two gold medals, and three MVPs. Keep in mind Bird played 13 seasons and scored 21,791 points, has three rings and three MVPs. So if Bird has a place in the top ten, then Bron CLEARLY does if he wins a another ring. This could actually be the season that Bron passes Bird by as the GOAT SF. Which means u gotta put Bron in that 6-8 range GOAT.

[longhornfan1234]

Right now

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Russel
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan
11. Moses
12. West
13. Big O
14. LeBron


If he wins another ring? He surpasses Moses, West, and Big O. If he wins a third ring? He surpasses Duncan, Kobe, and Hakeem, Shaq, and Bird.

[bizil]

Before its all said and done, Bron could be on a collision course with MJ for GOAT. He's only 27 years old and has a chance to put up numbers never heard. he actually has a shot at Kareem for the all time scoring record for starters. He will probably put up more assists than any non PG ever as well. So Bron could be looking at putting up around 40,000 points and 8,000 assists! That is so epic it's scary! But eclipsing MJ is like going after Ruth and Ali. Even if u build a better resume, they are such mythical figures that it seems damn near impossible to eclipse. As great as Bron is, I don't think he has the hold on the world like MJ did.

[riseagainst]

He cannot overtake Kobe's place in top 10 GOAT, because Kobe is not in the top 10 GOAT.

insecure as f*ck. :lol

[riseagainst]

Right now

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Russel
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan
11. Moses
12. West
13. Big O
14. LeBron


If he wins another ring? He surpasses Moses, West, and Big O. If he wins a third ring? He surpasses Duncan, Kobe, and Hakeem, Shaq, and Bird.

a near perfect list and prediction. :applause:

[lilgodfather1]

Top 10 quite easily if he wins the FMVP. If he wins the MVP as well then he surasses Bird as the GOAT SF. This season could see LeBron move from 11-12 to 7. Could be great, or not depends on how he plays. LeBron is only chasing ghosts after this season if he wins the MVP/FMVP with something like 27/7/6 because all current players would be behind him in the all time list.

[riseagainst]

Top 10 quite easily if he wins the FMVP. If he wins the MVP as well then he surasses Bird as the GOAT SF. This season could see LeBron move from 11-12 to 7. Could be great, or not depends on how he plays. LeBron is only chasing ghosts after this season if he wins the MVP/FMVP with something like 27/7/6 because all current players would be behind him in the all time list.

so does that mean he goes into the top 5?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Top 5.

[lilgodfather1]

so does that mean he goes into the top 5?
No Bird isn't top 5 imho. Maybe to some he is, but not me. You have to put a 4x MVP, 2x FMVP ahead of Bird. Not to mention similar career points despite 3 less seasons.

[riseagainst]

No Bird isn't top 5 imho. Maybe to some he is, but not me. You have to put a 4x MVP, 2x FMVP ahead of Bird. Not to mention similar career points despite 3 less seasons.

no i'm saying, did you imply that Lebron will be in the top 5 after an MVP and FMVP? (since Bird is no lower than 6 imo)

[lilgodfather1]

no i'm saying, did you imply that Lebron will be in the top 5 after an MVP and FMVP? (since Bird is no lower than 6 imo)
I got Bird 6/7 so LeBron moves to 6/7 just bumping Bird back one spot to 7/8.

[pauk]

Another somewhat similar year for Lebron is more than enough to snatch Hakeems #10 spot....

.........................LEBRON................HAK EEM............
MVP.......................4....................... ...1.................
FMVP......................2....................... ..2..................
RING......................2....................... ...2.................
DPOY.....................0........................ ..2.................
ROTY....................Yes....................... No................
1st All-NBA.............7..........................6...... ...........
1st All-Def..............5..........................5..... ............
NBA All-Star............9.........................12...... .........
All-Star MVP............2.........................0........ .........
Olympic Gold...........2.........................1........ .........
POTM....................20+....................... 6.................

So yea... top 10 would be the correct answer

[ripthekik]

Another somewhat similar year for Lebron is more than enough to snatch Hakeems #10 spot....

.........................LEBRON................HAK EEM............
MVP.......................4....................... ...1.................
FMVP......................2....................... ..2..................
RING......................2....................... ...2.................
DPOY.....................0........................ ..2.................
ROTY....................Yes....................... No................
1st All-NBA.............7..........................6...... ...........
1st All-Def..............5..........................5..... ............
NBA All-Star............9.........................12...... .........
All-Star MVP............2.........................0........ .........
Olympic Gold...........2.........................1........ .........
POTM....................20+....................... 6.................

So yea... top 10 would be the correct answer
:oldlol: :oldlol:

let me help you here a bit.
hakeem won with??
lebron had choked, quit, then teamed up with another top 3 player and all star. this guy cant carry a team like the dream, a true champion, can.

[DTreats]

If you give Hakeem two top 15 players in the league he wins it every year

[TheMarkMadsen]

Another somewhat similar year for Lebron is more than enough to snatch Hakeems #10 spot....

.........................LEBRON................HAK EEM............
MVP.......................4....................... ...1.................
FMVP......................2....................... ..2..................
RING......................2....................... ...2.................
DPOY.....................0........................ ..2.................
ROTY....................Yes....................... No................
1st All-NBA.............7..........................6...... ...........
1st All-Def..............5..........................5..... ............
NBA All-Star............9.........................12...... .........
All-Star MVP............2.........................0........ .........
Olympic Gold...........2.........................1........ .........
POTM....................20+....................... 6.................

So yea... top 10 would be the correct answer


You are the only person in the world that cares about Player of the Month awards

[LikeABosh]

top 10.

[ripthekik]

You are the only person in the world that cares about Player of the Month awards
i can see it now.

lebron wins potm, pauk sees it and goes crazy:banana: :rockon: :bowdown:
opens his lebron collection and celebrates like lebron just won a championship.

"PLAYER OF THE MONTH!!/ YESSSSSSS, KING BRON!!":bowdown: :applause:

[Lebron23]

top 10.


Top 9

[riseagainst]

i can see it now.

lebron wins potm, pauk sees it and goes crazy:banana: :rockon: :bowdown:
opens his lebron collection and celebrates like lebron just won a championship.

"PLAYER OF THE MONTH!!/ YESSSSSSS, KING BRON!!":bowdown: :applause:

next thing you know, he'll be counting player of the week and ESPN's top 10 plays of the night awards. :lol