Things Kobe-haters say

[TheMarkMadsen]

EDIT: It seems that a total of 3 poster & 1 mod were smart enough to take this as a "anti Kobe" thread. :facepalm Sadly goes to show how spot on i was with my impersonation of the Kobe haters...


Let's start with his 5 rings..

Who'd he play against to get his first 3 rings you may ask? The Nets & Pacers, you say? Nah, doesn't count those teams were weak & Shaq CARRIED this scrub to each title.

Although i can't explain why Shaq was un able to win a ring with his previous teams or before Kobe became a "legit" all star, or why Kobe won more rings w/o Shaw than Shaq did w/o Kobe.

Must be that Shaq stole the 4 leaf clover while he was in LA that Kobe carries around in his pockets!

Champion in 09, nikka please he was carried by his bigs, Bynum a.k.a. baby Shaq puttin up 6 & 4 (http://www.lakersuniverse.com/seasons/2008_2009_playoff_stats.htm)

Let's not forget Gasol, the real 09 & 10 FMVP's puttin up 18 & 10.

Thats a COMBINED 24 & 14 per game from his 2 DOMINATE bigs. So nope that ring doesn't count.

2010? Once again nikka please did you see Gasol hitting all of those clutch shots in the WCF?

Carried by his DOMINATE bigs once again, Bynum BEASTED & put up 9 & 7.

So nah, that ring doesn't count either.

Although, i can't find a logical reason for why Pau Gasol never won a playoff game as the #1 option of a team.

08 MVP? Please CP3 was robbed.

A 35ppg season? ANY Player could do that if they took enough shots OBVIOUSLY.

Bottom line, Kobe sucks this dude has a career of lucking out & winning championships, while he rides the coat tails of other big men.

All those 1st team all defensive selections? Please the coach's that vote on that have NO idea what their talking about.

Trust me i know what i'm talking about, i catch at least 10 games each year.

[kNicKz]

you're mad :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Djahjaga]

you're mad :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Please tell me you caught the sarcasm.

[coin24]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :applause:

[swag2011]

LOL sounds just like the haters. :cheers:

[Heavincent]

The funny part is that I've seen people seriously try to make these exact points. I don't know how they type that shit with a straight face.

[Freedom Kid7]

10/10 would read again

[SyRyanYang]

Too much sarcasm, did not read

[TaLvsCuaL]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tkFz5AXRZog/TSzjrtPvbMI/AAAAAAAAAJo/LC6UbuSXLEc/s1600/best-cry.jpg

[kNicKz]

Too much sarcasm, did not read

dude is mad that people slighted his idol :facepalm

[ganja0710]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/ChitoDog/kobe-you-mad.jpg

[Noof]

WOATbe :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ganja0710]

http://files.sharenator.com/I_know_what_you_are_Youre_a_fail_troll-s590x775-106384.jpg

[Zedja]

:yaohappy:

[DKLaker]

Awesome sarcasm!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :bowdown:

[TheMarkMadsen]

dude is mad that people slighted his idol :facepalm

Grown men don't "idolize" other grown men for bouncing a ball.


by the way, nice anonymous neg :cheers:

[Sleu27]

Let's start with his 5 rings..

Who'd he play against to get his first 3 rings you may ask? The Nets & Pacers, you say? Nah, doesn't count those teams were weak & Shaq CARRIED this scrub to each title.

Although i can't explain why Shaq was un able to win a ring with his previous teams or before Kobe became a "legit" all star, or why Kobe won more rings w/o Shaw than Shaq did w/o Kobe.

Must be that Shaq stole the 4 leaf clover while he was in LA that Kobe carries around in his pockets!

Champion in 09, nikka please he was carried by his bigs, Bynum a.k.a. baby Shaq puttin up 6 & 4 (http://www.lakersuniverse.com/seasons/2008_2009_playoff_stats.htm)

Let's not forget Gasol, the real 09 & 10 FMVP's puttin up 18 & 10.

Thats a COMBINED 24 & 14 per game from his 2 DOMINATE bigs. So nope that ring doesn't count.

2010? Once again nikka please did you see Gasol hitting all of those clutch shots in the WCF?

Carried by his DOMINATE bigs once again, Bynum BEASTED & put up 9 & 7.

So nah, that ring doesn't count either.

Although, i can't find a logical reason for why Pau Gasol never won a playoff game as the #1 option of a team.

08 MVP? Please CP3 was robbed.

A 35ppg season? ANY Player could do that if they took enough shots OBVIOUSLY.

Bottom line, Kobe sucks this dude has a career of lucking out & winning championships, while he rides the coat tails of other big men.

All those 1st team all defensive selections? Please the coach's that vote on that have NO idea what their talking about.

Trust me i know what i'm talking about, i catch at least 10 games each year.

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[imnew09]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/didnt-read-lol.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/didnt-read-lol.gif

Irony

[kNicKz]

by the way, nice anonymous neg :cheers:

Don't even know how to do that shit bro, maybe it was one of the 1,000 lebron fans on this website that you mocked?

That would make way too much sense tho

[Pacers4ever]

I disagree with his defense 1st teams but that's it.

[Sleu27]

Irony

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz194/saes329/Didnt-read-lol_o_141041.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

Don't even know how to do that shit bro, maybe it was one of the 1,000 lebron fans on this website that you mocked?

That would make way too much sense tho


Lebron & his fans were thoroughly discussed in the OP :biggums:

Lebron has nothing to do with Kobe accomplishments not being "counted"

[hoss805]

shaq wouldn't of won 3 in a row if it werent for kobe either...

[NumberSix]

Definitely not the worst. Not even in the top 10 worst.

[DixieNourmous]

Cute

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/04-1.gif

I want one of these

[NumberSix]

Cute

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/04-1.gif

I want one of these

I hit it. It was on a shmensday.

[TheBigVeto]

He's not the worst player ever but he is certainly the most overrated player of all time.

[AlonzoGOAT]

He's not the worst player ever but he is certainly the most overrated player of all time.
not the most but top 10

[Nick Young]

the stupidest thing people say is "Gasol was the true finals MVP". thats when you know they didnt watch the games

[TheMarkMadsen]

I love how the title of the thread was changed to "anti kobe thread" when its the exact opposite of that.
:facepalm

[dzav323]

You forgot the 105 other reasons off the court why he is an awful person

[swag2011]

You forgot the 105 other reasons off the court why he is an awful person

well start listing them.

*inb4 rape case*

Make sure you mention his nike tours all around the world, his charity foundation that helps poor families worldwide, his specific charity in China that provides the chinese children with education, sports, and culture programs. Or the fact that he auctioned off his mask this past year for CHARITY.

so, start listing.

[White Mamba]

Bynum a.k.a. baby Shaq puttin up 6 & 4:roll: :roll: :roll:

one question

JUST how great is our God?:bowdown: GodBE:roll: :bowdown:

[riseagainst]

the OP was 1 "mate" away from sounding like JaggerCommaMick, and he already sounds like TheBigVeto. :lol
anyway great thread.
:bowdown: to lord godbe.
I love the NBA
and praise Lord Godbe.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[dzav323]

well start listing them.

*inb4 rape case*

Make sure you mention his nike tours all around the world, his charity foundation that helps poor families worldwide, his specific charity in China that provides the chinese children with education, sports, and culture programs. Or the fact that he auctioned off his mask this past year for CHARITY.

so, start listing.
^^ Doesn't understand the significance of 105

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Well let's all pretend Kobe won 3 fmvp in a row while Shaq was just happy to be there.

[KingMichael23]

LOL @ "Carried by his DOMINATE bigs once again, Bynum BEASTED & put up 9 & 7."

9 & 7. That's a dominating performance by Bynum!

[HorryIsMyMVP]

LOL @ "Carried by his DOMINATE bigs once again, Bynum BEASTED & put up 9 & 7."

9 & 7. That's a dominating performance by Bynum!
Gasol is why they won titles but he continues to get no love or respect.

[riseagainst]

Gasol is why they won titles but he continues to get no love or respect.

he gets lots of love and respect. People say he was robbed of his FMVP in 09 and 10, no?:confusedshrug:

[BlueandGold]

lol it's funny that whichever mod changed the thread couldn't detect internet sarcasm

[swi7ch]

He's so lucky though.

Prime Shaq
Prime Pau
GOAT coach

When he was winning titles, LBJ had:

Mo Williams
Varejao
Pavlovic


See what I mean? Then LBJ had superstar teammates and guess who Kobe has now as teammates?

So so sooooooo lucky!

[HorryIsMyMVP]

he gets lots of love and respect. People say he was robbed of his FMVP in 09 and 10, no?:confusedshrug:
Maybe I'm just not picking up on internet sarcasm. But you can't make a joke about LA's bigs not being dominate without it being an insult to Gasol. The dude pretty much averaged 20 and 11 on over 50% shooting. So when he plays amazing it's all Kobe who is responsible. And when Gasol plays poorly it's all Gasol's fault for why they lose. It seems to me that Gasol was the focal point of LA. Their success is determined on Gasol's play.

[riseagainst]

Maybe I'm just not picking up on internet sarcasm. But you can't make a joke about LA's bigs not being dominate without it being an insult to Gasol. The dude pretty much averaged 20 and 11 on over 50% shooting. So when he plays amazing it's all Kobe who is responsible. And when Gasol plays poorly it's all Gasol's fault for why they lose. It seems to me that Gasol was the focal point of LA. Their success is determined on Gasol's play.

I don't recall anyone ever saying Kobe was responsible for everything. But I do recall haters say Kobe didn't deserve the FMVP and that he was being carried like always, because he had a poor game 7. But you can refresh my memories.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

I don't recall anyone ever saying Kobe was responsible for everything. But I do recall haters say Kobe didn't deserve the FMVP and that he was being carried like always, because he had a poor game 7. But you can refresh my memories.
In this thread I just replied to someone who was joking about how poorly Bynum played and didn't mention Gasol AT ALL. Are you trying to be dumb or what?

[KOBEtherealKing]

If Kobe wasn't in that Colorado incident, ppl wouldn't hate him as much. haters would be praising him. In fact, Kb wouldn't even have haters because that's how great our gawd is. Kb would have had a squeaky clean image.

[riseagainst]

In this thread I just replied to someone who was joking about how poorly Bynum played and didn't mention Gasol AT ALL. Are you trying to be dumb or what?

you read that part again and see if your logic makes sense. Yes I'm really dumb right now.:facepalm :rolleyes:
In case you don't get it. They are joking with Bynum putting up baby numbers and didn't mention Gasol in that sarcastic post because Gasol actually played well. Use your head, genius.

[SilkkTheShocker]

OP is a f.aggot

[HorryIsMyMVP]

you read that part again and see if your logic makes sense. Yes I'm really dumb right now.:facepalm :rolleyes:
In case you don't get it. They are joking with Bynum putting up baby numbers and didn't mention Gasol in that sarcastic post because Gasol actually played well. Use your head, genius.
Yeah but they only don't mention Gasol on a normal day in the world because that is part of the Kobe fan agenda. And it rings true even in this thread.:facepalm

[riseagainst]

Yeah but they only don't mention Gasol on a normal day in the world because that is part of the Kobe fan agenda. And it rings true even in this thread.:facepalm

yeah cause a thread to talk about Kobe HAS to have Gasol in it too, right? :facepalm Then why don't people mention Wade and Bosh in every Lebron thread?
I think you are just cherry picking this irrelevant nonsense because of your disdain for Kobe.

[AlphaWolf24]

EDIT: It seems that a total of 3 poster & 1 mod were smart enough to take this as a "anti Kobe" thread. :facepalm Sadly goes to show how spot on i was with my impersonation of the Kobe haters...


Let's start with his 5 rings..

Who'd he play against to get his first 3 rings you may ask? The Nets & Pacers, you say? Nah, doesn't count those teams were weak & Shaq CARRIED this scrub to each title.

Although i can't explain why Shaq was un able to win a ring with his previous teams or before Kobe became a "legit" all star, or why Kobe won more rings w/o Shaw than Shaq did w/o Kobe.

Must be that Shaq stole the 4 leaf clover while he was in LA that Kobe carries around in his pockets!

Champion in 09, nikka please he was carried by his bigs, Bynum a.k.a. baby Shaq puttin up 6 & 4 (http://www.lakersuniverse.com/seasons/2008_2009_playoff_stats.htm)

Let's not forget Gasol, the real 09 & 10 FMVP's puttin up 18 & 10.

Thats a COMBINED 24 & 14 per game from his 2 DOMINATE bigs. So nope that ring doesn't count.

2010? Once again nikka please did you see Gasol hitting all of those clutch shots in the WCF?

Carried by his DOMINATE bigs once again, Bynum BEASTED & put up 9 & 7.

So nah, that ring doesn't count either.

Although, i can't find a logical reason for why Pau Gasol never won a playoff game as the #1 option of a team.

08 MVP? Please CP3 was robbed.

A 35ppg season? ANY Player could do that if they took enough shots OBVIOUSLY.

Bottom line, Kobe sucks this dude has a career of lucking out & winning championships, while he rides the coat tails of other big men.

All those 1st team all defensive selections? Please the coach's that vote on that have NO idea what their talking about.

Trust me i know what i'm talking about, i catch at least 10 games each year.


:roll: I dyin :lol

Kobe puttin up 29PPG 7ast 6reb playoff runs...while bieng the closer (#1 option in crunchtime) Firt team all NBA defense/team....and haters only hope is to slight by wo won the FMVP ???....:roll:

[Nero Tulip]

Things Kobe stans do: make shitty threads about what people who disagree with you think, as if it invalidated their points. I guess that's what you do when you have no argument.

[riseagainst]

Things Kobe stans do: make shitty threads about what people who disagree with you think, as if it invalidated their points. I guess that's what you do when you have no argument.

but they do have an argument.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

yeah cause a thread to talk about Kobe HAS to have Gasol in it too, right? :facepalm Then why don't people mention Wade and Bosh in every Lebron thread?
I think you are just cherry picking this irrelevant nonsense because of your disdain for Kobe.
Nah. I just find it ironic since the very day Gasol has been on the Lakers, Gasol gets no credit. The only Kobe fan who knows Gasol is why they won is KOBE himself. When he admitted it in an interview. Regarding Lebron why would they mention Wade and Bosh? They played poorly.And Gasol played better then Kobe did. Its a little different.

[riseagainst]

Nah. I just find it ironic since the very day Gasol has been on the Lakers, Gasol gets no credit. The only Kobe fan who knows Gasol is why they won is KOBE himself. When he admitted it in an interview. Regarding Lebron why would they mention Wade and Bosh? They played poorly.And Gasol played better then Kobe did. Its a little different.

why are you running around in circles. no one said Gasol deserved no credit.......... you are assuming things from... whatever you read....

[HorryIsMyMVP]

why are you running around in circles. no one said Gasol deserved no credit.......... you are assuming things from... whatever you read....
They made a joke about how undominate LA's bigs were.:facepalm

[riseagainst]

They made a joke about how undominate LA's bigs were.:facepalm

it was just about Bynum dude.... again your disdain for Kobe and his fans make you have this twisted assumption about everything they say. :facepalm

[HorryIsMyMVP]

it was just about Bynum dude.... again your disdain for Kobe and his fans make you have this twisted assumption about everything they say. :facepalm
How is it just about Bynum? Gasol plays on LA. Gasol is a BIG man right? How is saying LA's bigs are not dominate and pointing out only Bynum's stats legit? :mad: Stupidity.

[TheMarkMadsen]

How is it just about Bynum? Gasol plays on LA. Gasol is a BIG man right? How is saying LA's bigs are not dominate and pointing out only Bynum's stats legit? :mad: Stupidity.


Pau was a great #2 option durring their title runs. Nobody can debate that.

However, a lot (not all) people like to bring up how Kobe had TWO dominate big men in Pau & Bynum.

When in reality, Bynum was an average center throughout their runs who could barely stay on the court

[The Iron Fist]

He's so lucky though.

Prime Shaq
Prime Pau
GOAT coach

When he was winning titles, LBJ had:

Mo Williams
Varejao
Pavlovic


See what I mean? Then LBJ had superstar teammates and guess who Kobe has now as teammates?

So so sooooooo lucky!shaq, zero finals wins before Kobe.
Pau, zero playoff wins before kobe.

How lucky!

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Pau was a great #2 option durring their title runs. Nobody can debate that.

However, a lot (not all) people like to bring up how Kobe had TWO dominate big men in Pau & Bynum.

When in reality, Bynum was an average center throughout their runs who could barely stay on the court
Bynum's play didn't really matter. Just his physical presence was enough. They clog up the paint with the twin towers. And you can't find a stat to prove just how dominate that is. Two 7 foot shot blockers and Ariza/ World Peace. That is why it's dominate because of the combination. Gasol playing out of his mind but their defense and shot blocking. And offensive rebounding.

[LakersReign]

EDIT: It seems that a total of 3 poster & 1 mod were smart enough to take this as a "anti Kobe" thread. :facepalm Sadly goes to show how spot on i was with my impersonation of the Kobe haters...


Let's start with his 5 rings..

Who'd he play against to get his first 3 rings you may ask? The Nets & Pacers, you say? Nah, doesn't count those teams were weak & Shaq CARRIED this scrub to each title.

Although i can't explain why Shaq was un able to win a ring with his previous teams or before Kobe became a "legit" all star, or why Kobe won more rings w/o Shaw than Shaq did w/o Kobe.

Must be that Shaq stole the 4 leaf clover while he was in LA that Kobe carries around in his pockets!

Champion in 09, nikka please he was carried by his bigs, Bynum a.k.a. baby Shaq puttin up 6 & 4 (http://www.lakersuniverse.com/seasons/2008_2009_playoff_stats.htm)

Let's not forget Gasol, the real 09 & 10 FMVP's puttin up 18 & 10.

Thats a COMBINED 24 & 14 per game from his 2 DOMINATE bigs. So nope that ring doesn't count.

2010? Once again nikka please did you see Gasol hitting all of those clutch shots in the WCF?

Carried by his DOMINATE bigs once again, Bynum BEASTED & put up 9 & 7.

So nah, that ring doesn't count either.

Although, i can't find a logical reason for why Pau Gasol never won a playoff game as the #1 option of a team.

08 MVP? Please CP3 was robbed.

A 35ppg season? ANY Player could do that if they took enough shots OBVIOUSLY.

Bottom line, Kobe sucks this dude has a career of lucking out & winning championships, while he rides the coat tails of other big men.

All those 1st team all defensive selections? Please the coach's that vote on that have NO idea what their talking about.

Trust me i know what i'm talking about, i catch at least 10 games each year.

What kills me, is how they willingly post all that ridiculous hot garbage, that literally makes no sense....at all. Then following it by saying "yeah.......I'm a fan of the game," fully expecting reasonable fans to actually take them seriously
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stephen-a-smith-laugh.gif

[crisoner]

I love it when a Kobe hater has nothing else to say when they are proven wrong out comes the RAPE comments.

They also love pointing out Game 7 of the 2010 Finals and the shooting percentage.

But the truth is that game was a well played defensive game for both teams.
And every game that series was won by a certain team doing better with a certain stat. BOARDS. How many did Kobe get that day?

Any how...players like Kobe and yes LeBron come around ever so often. We should all respect their games....don't have to like them but respect them.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

I love it when a Kobe hater has nothing else to say when they are proven wrong out comes the RAPE comments.

They also love pointing out Game 7 of the 2010 Finals and the shooting percentage.

But the truth is that game was a well played defensive game for both teams.
And every game that series was won by a certain team doing better with a certain stat. BOARDS. How many did Kobe get that day?

Any how...players like Kobe and yes LeBron come around ever so often. We should all respect their games....don't have to like them but respect them.
Jason Richardson could do what Kobe does in LA if he was on LA and given superstar treatment.

[crisoner]

Jason Richardson could do what Kobe does in LA if he was on LA and given superstar treatment.


You my friend are smoking crack.
And J Rich would be the first to tell you just that.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

You my friend are smoking crack.
And J Rich would be the first to tell you just that.
How can you really know? I watched J Rich ball hard in his last year of PHX and put up better stats then Kobe has ever managed. And that is playing on PHX a team historically hated by the refs. Imagine if JRich had refs on his dick like in LA.

[AlphaWolf24]

Jason Richardson could do what Kobe does in LA if he was on LA and given superstar treatment.


(adds to "dumbest things ever heard said on Insidehoops thread)


added:lol

[SwayDizzle]

Cute

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/04-1.gif

I want one of these

omfg so cute

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How can you really know? I watched J Rich ball hard in his last year of PHX and put up better stats then Kobe has ever managed. And that is playing on PHX a team historically hated by the refs. Imagine if JRich had refs on his dick like in LA.

Riiiight. Quit saying shit you dont even believe. :oldlol:

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Riiiight. Quit saying shit you dont even believe. :oldlol:
I do believe it. J Rich is one of my all-time favorite players. I'm from Michigan and he is from Saginaw. He went to MSU. I think he is just as good as Kobe sometimes but gets no respect. Because he doesn't play on a successful organization. I watched what J Rich did on the Warriors. I mean do some of you Kobe loyalists even watch any other players? How is Kobe better then J-Rich. J-Rich is a better 3 point shooter. And a better dunker. Better post player because he learned how to do it college. The only thing I'd give Kobe is better foot work.

[riseagainst]

How can you really know? I watched J Rich ball hard in his last year of PHX and put up better stats then Kobe has ever managed. And that is playing on PHX a team historically hated by the refs. Imagine if JRich had refs on his dick like in LA.

:biggums:

[Sleu27]

I do believe it. J Rich is one of my all-time favorite players. I'm from Michigan and he is from Saginaw. He went to MSU. I think he is just as good as Kobe sometimes but gets no respect. Because he doesn't play on a successful organization. I watched what J Rich did on the Warriors. I mean do some of you Kobe loyalists even watch any other players? How is Kobe better then J-Rich. J-Rich is a better 3 point shooter. And a better dunker. Better post player because he learned how to do it college. The only thing I'd give Kobe is better foot work.


How the f#ck do you make sense?

A strong retard you are.

kobes post game> jrichs post game

well kobe> jrich in everything...

[HorryIsMyMVP]

:biggums:
Well it's true when has Kobe ever shot 50% in the play off's through 16 games? shooting 48% from 3?

[riseagainst]

Well it's true when has Kobe ever shot 50% in the play off's through 16 games? shooting 48% from 3?

going 20-5-1 on 50/48/76 3 playoff series suddenly makes him better than kobe has ever been? :roll:

[HorryIsMyMVP]

going 20-5-1 on 50/48/76 3 playoff series suddenly makes him better than kobe has ever been? :roll:
Yeah what makes what Kobe does so special? Like I said J Rich is a better shooter. Makes more shots. Hits more 3's. I've never seen that matched by Kobe's individual play. Unless your one of those people who only care about PPG. Which I'm guessing you all are.

[riseagainst]

Yeah what makes what Kobe does so special? Like I said J Rich is a better shooter. Makes more shots. Hits more 3's. I've never seen that matched by Kobe's individual play. Unless your one of those people who only care about PPG. Which I'm guessing you all are.

Kyle Korver >>> all. :bowdown:

2009-2010 season: 49%/54%/80%

Kyle Korver is a better shooter than J Rich AND KOBE. I've never seen that matched by J Rich and Kobe's individual play. Unless your one of those people who only care about PPG. Which I'm guessing you all are.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kyle Korver >>> all. :bowdown:

2009-2010 season: 49%/54%/80%

Kyle Korver is a better shooter than J Rich AND KOBE. I've never seen that matched by J Rich and Kobe's individual play. Unless your one of those people who only care about PPG. Which I'm guessing you all are.

:roll:

After posting that, I just put him on the IL. You know I'm not a Kobe fan, but come on son. LOL

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Kyle Korver >>> all. :bowdown:

2009-2010 season: 49%/54%/80%

Kyle Korver is a better shooter than J Rich AND KOBE. Makes more shots. Hits more 3's. I've never seen that matched by J Rich and Kobe's individual play. Unless your one of those people who only care about PPG. Which I'm guessing you all are.
How is that the same were comparing 2 6'6 slashing SG's who are known for big dunks. JRich is bigger and stronger then either Kobe or Kyle Korver. PPG matters to an extent. 20 PPG is a lot. I'm saying the jump to 30 isn't relevant if you lose efficiency in the process. All Kyle Korver can do is shoot 3's. And in my opinion Jrich can do everything Kobe can do. And 360 dunk it.

[riseagainst]

How is that the same were comparing 2 6'6 slashing SG's who are known for big dunks. JRich is bigger and stronger then either Kobe or Kyle Korver. PPG matters to an extent. 20 PPG is a lot. I'm saying the jump to 30 isn't relevant if you lose efficiency in the process. All Kyle Korver can do is shoot 3's. And in my opinion Jrich can do everything Kobe can do. And 360 dunk it.

J Rich career FG%: 44 TS%: 53 PPG: 17.5
Kobe career FG%: 45 TS%: 55 ppg: 25.4
:confusedshrug:

or let's take their best season
J Rich FG%: 45 TS%: 54 ppg:23
Kobe FG%: 45 ts%: 56 ppg: 35
:confusedshrug:

yes J Rich is as good as Kobe because he can 360 dunk as well. :bowdown:

[HorryIsMyMVP]

J Rich career FG%: 44 TS%: 53 PPG: 17.5
Kobe career FG%: 45 TS%: 55 ppg: 25.4
:confusedshrug:

or let's take their best season
J Rich FG%: 45 TS%: 54 ppg:23
Kobe FG%: 45 ts%: 56 ppg: 35
:confusedshrug:

yes J Rich is as good as Kobe because he can 360 dunk as well. :bowdown:
Did you really use TS%? Ok. I admit it. Kobe is a good free throw shooter. So better footwork and better at free throws. Free throws are important so it's not a knock on him. J-Rich is more efficient but a fairly poor free throw shooter. But hes a better 3 point shooter and has a post game and can dunk. Kobe takes more shots. But a bulk of his points come from free throws anyway

[riseagainst]

Did you really use TS%? Ok. I admit it. Kobe is a good free throw shooter. So better footwork and better at free throws. Free throws are important so it's not a knock on him.

i posted fg% too in case you were gonna complain. :lol
kobe has the same fg% as J Rich, so where does the lower efficiency come in when you jump from 20ppg to 30 ppg? :confusedshrug:

don't tell you are going to just 3-point % now.
only 2 things I see J Rich's better than Kobe at: 3point shooting and less turnovers a game.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

i posted fg% too in case you were gonna complain. :lol
kobe has the same fg% as J Rich, so where does the lower efficiency come in when you jump from 20ppg to 30 ppg? :confusedshrug:

don't tell you are going to just 3-point % now.
Nah the only reason Kobe averages more points per game is because he takes more free throws. Kobe has taken almost 10,000 career free throws. While JRich is at 2,600. Alas from the original argument that they are the same and JRich could do what Kobe does if he got 10,000 free throws.

[riseagainst]

Nah the only reason Kobe averages more points per game is because he takes more free throws. Kobe has taken almost 10,000 career free throws. While JRich is at 2,600. Alas from the original argument that they are the same and JRich could do what Kobe does if he got 10,000 free throws.

but they still have the same fg%. how does that explain the "the jump from 20ppg to 30ppg isn't significant/relevant if you lower your efficiency."
:confusedshrug:
Kobe took 8 more shots a game during those 2 years I compared. they have the same FG%.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

but they still have the same fg%. how does that explain the "the jump from 20ppg to 30ppg isn't significant/relevant if you lower your efficiency."
:confusedshrug:
Kobe took 8 more shots a game during those 2 years I compared. they have the same FG%.
Alright I might have been wrong on a career level when it comes to efficiency but J-Rich can get hot and he does have better shot selection. I think some years he just doesn't care because he played for the Warriors. But when he is playing with a fire it's raw. One of the few players with a heart of gold. But hes not a Superstar in the NBA. So he will never get treated like one. He isn't in that elite club of people who get breathed on and take free throws.

[riseagainst]

Alright I might have been wrong on a career level when it comes to efficiency but J-Rich can get hot and he does have better shot selection. I think some years he just doesn't care because he played for the Warriors. But when he is playing with a fire it's raw. One of the few players with a heart of gold. But hes not a Superstar in the NBA. So he will never get treated like one. He isn't in that elite club of people who get breathed on and take free throws.

I don't know what to say to that......................

[Heavincent]

Did this dude seriously just say J-Rich is better than Kobe? :oldlol:

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Did this dude seriously just say J-Rich is better than Kobe? :oldlol:
I might have. But my main point is that Kobe is replaceable. J-Rich would average 30 ppg on 45% if you gave him 10,000 free throws. A lot of guards in the NBA would eat good if they got to the line that much in their career. I mean Kobe had a year with 819 free throws 819!!! Players like Wade and Kobe are always going to get calls that J-Rich will never dream of. J-Rich gets defended hard and refs look the other way. He is a nobody.

[riseagainst]

I might have. But my main point is that Kobe is replaceable. J-Rich would average 30 ppg on 45% if you gave him 10,000 free throws. A lot of guards in the NBA would eat good if they got to the line that much in their career. I mean Kobe had a year with 819 free throws 819!!! Players like Wade and Kobe are always going to get calls that J-Rich will never dream of. J-Rich gets defended hard and refs look the other way. He is a nobody.

:rolleyes:

[HorryIsMyMVP]

:rolleyes:
If you give a guy that many free throws I'll show you a guy who can average 30 a game and miss 3/4 of his clutch shots.

[Heavincent]

^ this guy is proving the OP's point.

[riseagainst]

If you give a guy that many free throws I'll show you a guy who can average 30 a game and miss 3/4 of his clutch shots.

kobe avgs 7.6 FTs a game, a whooping 4.3 more attempts than J Rich.
a 70% FT shooter shooting 4.3 FTs will get 3 points from it.

So that makes J Rich's career ppg 17.5+3 = 20.5 ppg. Still doesn't come close to 25.4 ppg.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

^ this guy is proving the OP's point.
But I'm right. If Jason Richardson had a season with 819 free throws he would average close to what Kobe does. It is a simple formula. You just multiply what ever Jason Richardson's made free throws is and times it by 2. That is sort of bare minimum. like 05-06 he would have averaged 27 a game. If he took 820 free throws and only made 552. Also being a superstar just makes it easier to score. There is a whole other list of benefits that come with it. like defenders being afraid to guard you because they will foul out.

[riseagainst]

But I'm right. If Jason Richardson had a season with 819 free throws he would average close to what Kobe does. It is a simple formula. You just multiply what ever Jason Richardson's made free throws is and times it by 2. That is sort of bare minimum. like 05-06 he would have averaged 27 a game. If he took 820 free throws and only made 552.

kobe avgs 7.6 FTs a game, a whooping 4.3 more attempts than J Rich.
a 70% FT shooter shooting 4.3 FTs will get 3 points from it.

So that makes J Rich's career ppg 17.5+3 = 20.5 ppg. Still doesn't come close to 25.4 ppg.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

kobe avgs 7.6 FTs a game, a whooping 4.3 more attempts than J Rich.
a 70% FT shooter shooting 4.3 FTs will get 3 points from it.

So that makes J Rich's career ppg 17.5+3 = 20.5 ppg. Still doesn't come close to 25.4 ppg.
It's pretty close. I mean if J-Rich was also a superstar on LA he would be entitled to take more shots to. That is the argument right? If JRich was a ball hog super star getting free throws all the time. He could probably average 25 for a career. He would just have to take 2,200 shots a game to do it.

[riseagainst]

It's pretty close. I mean if J-Rich was also a superstar on LA he would be entitled to take more shots to. That is the argument right? If JRich was a ball hog super star getting free throws all the time. He could probably average 25 for a career. He would just have to take 2,200 shots a game to do it.

:facepalm
so would every other 44%+ shooter by your logic... I guess all shooters with the same fg% are the same if they were 1st option on a team by your logic...

[HorryIsMyMVP]

:facepalm
so would every other 44%+ shooter by your logic... I guess all shooters with the same fg% are the same if they were 1st option on a team by your logic...
Yes. But I don't see why you think Kobe is special. Because he was the chosen one the prodigy? The one the NBA wanted to mirror Jordan to revitalize the NBA? The guy the NBA created? He is just an average player but he plays for the Lakers and is a superstar.

[Heavincent]

Yes. But I don't see why you think Kobe is special. Because he was the chosen one the prodigy? The one the NBA wanted to mirror Jordan to revitalize the NBA? The guy the NBA created? He is just an average player but he plays for the Lakers and is a superstar.

Are you really this stupid?

[crisoner]

Yes. But I don't see why you think Kobe is special. Because he was the chosen one the prodigy? The one the NBA wanted to mirror Jordan to revitalize the NBA? The guy the NBA created? He is just an average player but he plays for the Lakers and is a superstar.

Chosen one? Doesn't LeBron have that tattooed on his back?
So you must give Harold Minor, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Vince Carter, T-Mac sh*t as well right? Because they all have been compared at one time or been labeled the next Jordan.

The NBA and media went as far as calling Harold Minor Baby Jordan for a while.

Calling Kobe an average player is like calling you a great poster and contributor to ISH. Now sit down son.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Are you really this stupid?
I guess so because I really believe the NBA sets up these story lines and they know who they want to be successful.

[crisoner]

I guess so because I really believe the NBA sets up these story lines and they know who they want to be successful.

See my post above...

Did all those players play for LA? Did they all win titles and have great careers?

[HorryIsMyMVP]

See my post above...

Did all those players play for LA? Did they all win titles and have great careers?
I don't recall any of them playing for LA at any point in their careers. LA's market and basketball heritage is why a superstar will thrive on the team. LA will always be a relevant force in the NBA. Because the NBA wants it to be.

[riseagainst]

I don't recall any of them playing for LA at any point in their careers. LA's market and basketball heritage is why a superstar will thrive on the team. LA will always be a relevant force in the NBA. Because the NBA wants it to be.

you aren't getting the point...

[crisoner]

I don't recall any of them playing for LA at any point in their careers. LA's market and basketball heritage is why a superstar will thrive on the team. LA will always be a relevant force in the NBA. Because the NBA wants it to be.


Really did Van Axel, Eddie Jones, Vlade Divac, or Cedric Ceballos get that treatment in LA from the NBA?

[HorryIsMyMVP]

you aren't getting the point...
What is the point? Vince Carter sucks because he was on the Nets? the ****ing Nets? You really think he wouldn't be thought of differently had he been a Laker? If Grant Hill hadn't of gotten hurt he would've been a sick Laker. There is no point here. Most of those guys in their prime would win titles on LA if given that role.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Really did Van Axel, Eddie Jones, Vlade Divac, or Cedric Ceballos get that treatment in LA from the NBA?
No but they weren't chosen ones. Like that list you pointed out. Kobe was a chosen one. And while Vince Carter was a chosen one he played for the Nets. his success for the Nets wouldn't be that great for the NBA. Kobe is a chosen one of the elite. And he got drafted straight to LA. One of the biggest money markets in the NBA and rich with cultural heritage. And story lines. Wtf did the Nets have going for them?

[longtime lurker]

:roll: :roll: :roll: this is an epic thread. It should be stickied and deserves 5 stars. This shit is so sad but true and they expect people to take their basketball opinions seriously.

[LikeABosh]

You guys don't think Kobe might be a bit lucky? He has been on arguably the greatest NBA franchise his whole career, landed right onto Shaq's back who was one of the most dominant forces this league has ever seen. He had the greatest coach in the NBA history, then soon after Shaq leaves he is spoon fed Pau Gasol, one of the best bigs in the NBA, along with a prime Lamar Odom and loads of solid role players. Then he is gifted Dwight Howard and Steve Nash. It's a bit different than the situations of Lebron's career. Thats all I'm gonna say,

[swag2011]

You guys don't think Kobe might be a bit lucky? He has been on arguably the greatest NBA franchise his whole career, landed right onto Shaq's back who was one of the most dominant forces this league has ever seen. He had the greatest coach in the NBA history, then soon after Shaq leaves he is spoon fed Pau Gasol, one of the best bigs in the NBA, along with a prime Lamar Odom and loads of solid role players. Then he is gifted Dwight Howard and Steve Nash. It's a bit different than the situations of Lebron's career. Thats all I'm gonna say,

Why the f*ck are you bringing up Lebron, dang what does he have to do with this thread at all? YALL are the main ones always wanting to start a kobe/lebron fan war. Sad yall are threatened by a dude 34 years old, out of his prime. Sorry Kobe didn't play in a weak ass eastern conference where you only gotta play 1 50+ win team to get to the finals. Kobe never played any .500 teams to get in the playoffs.

Shaq was so dominant right? Then why didn't his dominant a$$ win something until Kobe became a full starter in the NBA?

Pau Gasol-no playoff wins till teamed up with kobe. have a seat.

Lamar Odom- Inconsistent, but he was a great big man.

Solid role players? Have another seat.

Dwight and Nash wanted to come play with KOBE. They both called Kobe and wanted to play with HIM. The fact that the Lakers organization feels they can still build a team around a 34 year old who's out of his prime says something doesn't it?

In 01, Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on .469% shooting in the playoffs. This past year Lebron averaged 30/9/5 on .500% shooting in the playoffs. Clearly not that far apart at all, yet Kobe was carried b/c he didn't win the FMVP. Not saying Kobe's playoff run was BETTER, just showing how hypocritical you're being.

But I know damn well, you don't consider Magic to be carried to 2 of his rings since he didn't win FMVP do ya? You don't consider Kareem to be carried to 4 of his rings? You don't consider Shaq and Duncan to be carried to their last rings do you?

Is Kobe lucky? Maybe, but not anymore than any other all time great. They've ALL had great players around them at some point in time and that's a fact. Only Kobe gets criticized for it. And yall wonder why his stans overrate him.
Sit down.

[LamarOdom]

Why the f*ck are you bringing up Lebron, dang what does he have to do with this thread at all? YALL are the main ones always wanting to start a kobe/lebron fan war. Sad yall are threatened by a dude 34 years old, out of his prime. Sorry Kobe didn't play in a weak ass eastern conference where you only gotta play 1 50+ win team to get to the finals. Kobe never played any .500 teams to get in the playoffs.

Shaq was so dominant right? Then why didn't his dominant a$$ win something until Kobe became a full starter in the NBA?

Pau Gasol-no playoff wins till teamed up with kobe. have a seat.

Lamar Odom- Inconsistent, but he was a great big man.

Solid role players? Have another seat.

Dwight and Nash wanted to come play with KOBE. They both called Kobe and wanted to play with HIM. The fact that the Lakers organization feels they can still build a team around a 34 year old who's out of his prime says something doesn't it?

In 01, Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on .469% shooting in the playoffs. This past year Lebron averaged 30/9/5 on .500% shooting in the playoffs. Clearly not that far apart at all, yet Kobe was carried b/c he didn't win the FMVP. Not saying Kobe's playoff run was BETTER, just showing how hypocritical you're being.

But I know damn well, you don't consider Magic to be carried to 2 of his rings since he didn't win FMVP do ya? You don't consider Kareem to be carried to 4 of his rings? You don't consider Shaq and Duncan to be carried to their last rings do you?

Is Kobe lucky? Maybe, but not anymore than any other all time great. They've ALL had great players around them at some point in time and that's a fact. Only Kobe gets criticized for it. And yall wonder why his stans overrate him.
Sit down.

Bravo sir, bravo!:applause:

[longtime lurker]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

True he's an overrated chucker that wouldn't even make the playoffs without being carried by his all star teammates. I mean Kobe was lucky to ride the coattails of hall of famers like Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza and Andrew Bynum.

:lol

Am I doing it right?

[LikeABosh]

Why the f*ck are you bringing up Lebron, dang what does he have to do with this thread at all? YALL are the main ones always wanting to start a kobe/lebron fan war. Sad yall are threatened by a dude 34 years old, out of his prime. Sorry Kobe didn't play in a weak ass eastern conference where you only gotta play 1 50+ win team to get to the finals. Kobe never played any .500 teams to get in the playoffs.

Shaq was so dominant right? Then why didn't his dominant a$$ win something until Kobe became a full starter in the NBA?

Pau Gasol-no playoff wins till teamed up with kobe. have a seat.

Lamar Odom- Inconsistent, but he was a great big man.

Solid role players? Have another seat.

Dwight and Nash wanted to come play with KOBE. They both called Kobe and wanted to play with HIM. The fact that the Lakers organization feels they can still build a team around a 34 year old who's out of his prime says something doesn't it?

In 01, Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on .469% shooting in the playoffs. This past year Lebron averaged 30/9/5 on .500% shooting in the playoffs. Clearly not that far apart at all, yet Kobe was carried b/c he didn't win the FMVP. Not saying Kobe's playoff run was BETTER, just showing how hypocritical you're being.

But I know damn well, you don't consider Magic to be carried to 2 of his rings since he didn't win FMVP do ya? You don't consider Kareem to be carried to 4 of his rings? You don't consider Shaq and Duncan to be carried to their last rings do you?

Is Kobe lucky? Maybe, but not anymore than any other all time great. They've ALL had great players around them at some point in time and that's a fact. Only Kobe gets criticized for it. And yall wonder why his stans overrate him.
Sit down.
I was just making a comment. I don't want to start a Lebron vs, Kobe thing. I'm just saying that their situations aren't even comparable so it is stupid to compare them as players solely on the ring argument.

[riseagainst]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

True he's an overrated chucker that wouldn't even make the playoffs without being carried by his all star teammates. I mean Kobe was lucky to ride the coattails of hall of famers like Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza and Andrew Bynum.

:lol

Am I doing it right?

so true Kobrick is an inefficient chucker who gets carried by everyone. Everyone on Kobe's team are HOFers, but Kobe's not because he's overrated and just lucky to ride their coattails. This dude wouldn't even survive in D-league as a 1st option on a team.
:lol

[Dictator]

Why the f*ck are you bringing up Lebron, dang what does he have to do with this thread at all? YALL are the main ones always wanting to start a kobe/lebron fan war. Sad yall are threatened by a dude 34 years old, out of his prime. Sorry Kobe didn't play in a weak ass eastern conference where you only gotta play 1 50+ win team to get to the finals. Kobe never played any .500 teams to get in the playoffs.

Shaq was so dominant right? Then why didn't his dominant a$$ win something until Kobe became a full starter in the NBA?

Pau Gasol-no playoff wins till teamed up with kobe. have a seat.

Lamar Odom- Inconsistent, but he was a great big man.

Solid role players? Have another seat.

Dwight and Nash wanted to come play with KOBE. They both called Kobe and wanted to play with HIM. The fact that the Lakers organization feels they can still build a team around a 34 year old who's out of his prime says something doesn't it?

In 01, Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on .469% shooting in the playoffs. This past year Lebron averaged 30/9/5 on .500% shooting in the playoffs. Clearly not that far apart at all, yet Kobe was carried b/c he didn't win the FMVP. Not saying Kobe's playoff run was BETTER, just showing how hypocritical you're being.

But I know damn well, you don't consider Magic to be carried to 2 of his rings since he didn't win FMVP do ya? You don't consider Kareem to be carried to 4 of his rings? You don't consider Shaq and Duncan to be carried to their last rings do you?

Is Kobe lucky? Maybe, but not anymore than any other all time great. They've ALL had great players around them at some point in time and that's a fact. Only Kobe gets criticized for it. And yall wonder why his stans overrate him.
Sit down.


Dayummmmm

[Heavincent]

You guys don't think Kobe might be a bit lucky? He has been on arguably the greatest NBA franchise his whole career, landed right onto Shaq's back who was one of the most dominant forces this league has ever seen. He had the greatest coach in the NBA history, then soon after Shaq leaves he is spoon fed Pau Gasol, one of the best bigs in the NBA, along with a prime Lamar Odom and loads of solid role players. Then he is gifted Dwight Howard and Steve Nash. It's a bit different than the situations of Lebron's career. Thats all I'm gonna say,

Kobe isn't really any more lucky than any of the other all time top 10 players. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Russell, Shaq, and Kareem were all just as lucky as Kobe.

[longtime lurker]

so true Kobrick is an inefficient chucker who gets carried by everyone. Everyone on Kobe's team are HOFers, but Kobe's not because he's overrated and just lucky to ride their coattails. This dude wouldn't even survive in D-league as a 1st option on a team.
:lol

I agree I don't even know how this guy made it to the NBA. He's obviously been blessed with the GOAT supporting casts to mask his horrible decision making, low basketball IQ and average athleticism. Kobe Bryant the most overrated chucker, ball hog in the NBA. He's not even top 1000 in my books.

[TheBigVeto]

Why the f*ck are you bringing up Lebron, dang what does he have to do with this thread at all? YALL are the main ones always wanting to start a kobe/lebron fan war. Sad yall are threatened by a dude 34 years old, out of his prime. Sorry Kobe didn't play in a weak ass eastern conference where you only gotta play 1 50+ win team to get to the finals. Kobe never played any .500 teams to get in the playoffs.

Shaq was so dominant right? Then why didn't his dominant a$$ win something until Kobe became a full starter in the NBA?

Pau Gasol-no playoff wins till teamed up with kobe. have a seat.

Lamar Odom- Inconsistent, but he was a great big man.

Solid role players? Have another seat.

Dwight and Nash wanted to come play with KOBE. They both called Kobe and wanted to play with HIM. The fact that the Lakers organization feels they can still build a team around a 34 year old who's out of his prime says something doesn't it?

In 01, Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on .469% shooting in the playoffs. This past year Lebron averaged 30/9/5 on .500% shooting in the playoffs. Clearly not that far apart at all, yet Kobe was carried b/c he didn't win the FMVP. Not saying Kobe's playoff run was BETTER, just showing how hypocritical you're being.

But I know damn well, you don't consider Magic to be carried to 2 of his rings since he didn't win FMVP do ya? You don't consider Kareem to be carried to 4 of his rings? You don't consider Shaq and Duncan to be carried to their last rings do you?

Is Kobe lucky? Maybe, but not anymore than any other all time great. They've ALL had great players around them at some point in time and that's a fact. Only Kobe gets criticized for it. And yall wonder why his stans overrate him.
Sit down.

This stan is :mad:

[DetroitPistonFan]

I might have. But my main point is that Kobe is replaceable. J-Rich would average 30 ppg on 45% if you gave him 10,000 free throws. A lot of guards in the NBA would eat good if they got to the line that much in their career. I mean Kobe had a year with 819 free throws 819!!! Players like Wade and Kobe are always going to get calls that J-Rich will never dream of. J-Rich gets defended hard and refs look the other way. He is a nobody.
GTFO with that BS.

[KG215]

Shaq was so dominant right? Then why didn't his dominant a$$ win something until Kobe became a full starter in the NBA?

This...this statement right here. Why do Kobe stans latch onto it like it actually proves something? Why? They put nothing into context, blatantly ignore every single circumstance Shaq was in from his rookie season through the 1998-1999 season, and think that him not winning a championship until Kobe became a starter and/or emerged proves something about Kobe's greatness.

I can live with all the other stuff but, this argument or whatever, no, just....no.

[LakersReign]

Why the f*ck are you bringing up Lebron, dang what does he have to do with this thread at all? YALL are the main ones always wanting to start a kobe/lebron fan war. Sad yall are threatened by a dude 34 years old, out of his prime. Sorry Kobe didn't play in a weak ass eastern conference where you only gotta play 1 50+ win team to get to the finals. Kobe never played any .500 teams to get in the playoffs.

Shaq was so dominant right? Then why didn't his dominant a$$ win something until Kobe became a full starter in the NBA?

Pau Gasol-no playoff wins till teamed up with kobe. have a seat.

Lamar Odom- Inconsistent, but he was a great big man.

Solid role players? Have another seat.

Dwight and Nash wanted to come play with KOBE. They both called Kobe and wanted to play with HIM. The fact that the Lakers organization feels they can still build a team around a 34 year old who's out of his prime says something doesn't it?

In 01, Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on .469% shooting in the playoffs. This past year Lebron averaged 30/9/5 on .500% shooting in the playoffs. Clearly not that far apart at all, yet Kobe was carried b/c he didn't win the FMVP. Not saying Kobe's playoff run was BETTER, just showing how hypocritical you're being.

But I know damn well, you don't consider Magic to be carried to 2 of his rings since he didn't win FMVP do ya? You don't consider Kareem to be carried to 4 of his rings? You don't consider Shaq and Duncan to be carried to their last rings do you?

Is Kobe lucky? Maybe, but not anymore than any other all time great. They've ALL had great players around them at some point in time and that's a fact. Only Kobe gets criticized for it. And yall wonder why his stans overrate him.
Sit down.

Talk about "layin' the smackdown":lol

[SwayDizzle]

Why the f*ck are you bringing up Lebron, dang what does he have to do with this thread at all? YALL are the main ones always wanting to start a kobe/lebron fan war. Sad yall are threatened by a dude 34 years old, out of his prime. Sorry Kobe didn't play in a weak ass eastern conference where you only gotta play 1 50+ win team to get to the finals. Kobe never played any .500 teams to get in the playoffs.

Shaq was so dominant right? Then why didn't his dominant a$$ win something until Kobe became a full starter in the NBA?

Pau Gasol-no playoff wins till teamed up with kobe. have a seat.

Lamar Odom- Inconsistent, but he was a great big man.

Solid role players? Have another seat.

Dwight and Nash wanted to come play with KOBE. They both called Kobe and wanted to play with HIM. The fact that the Lakers organization feels they can still build a team around a 34 year old who's out of his prime says something doesn't it?

In 01, Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on .469% shooting in the playoffs. This past year Lebron averaged 30/9/5 on .500% shooting in the playoffs. Clearly not that far apart at all, yet Kobe was carried b/c he didn't win the FMVP. Not saying Kobe's playoff run was BETTER, just showing how hypocritical you're being.

But I know damn well, you don't consider Magic to be carried to 2 of his rings since he didn't win FMVP do ya? You don't consider Kareem to be carried to 4 of his rings? You don't consider Shaq and Duncan to be carried to their last rings do you?

Is Kobe lucky? Maybe, but not anymore than any other all time great. They've ALL had great players around them at some point in time and that's a fact. Only Kobe gets criticized for it. And yall wonder why his stans overrate him.
Sit down.
SHIIIIIZZZZ

[riseagainst]

Why the f*ck are you bringing up Lebron, dang what does he have to do with this thread at all? YALL are the main ones always wanting to start a kobe/lebron fan war. Sad yall are threatened by a dude 34 years old, out of his prime. Sorry Kobe didn't play in a weak ass eastern conference where you only gotta play 1 50+ win team to get to the finals. Kobe never played any .500 teams to get in the playoffs.

Shaq was so dominant right? Then why didn't his dominant a$$ win something until Kobe became a full starter in the NBA?

Pau Gasol-no playoff wins till teamed up with kobe. have a seat.

Lamar Odom- Inconsistent, but he was a great big man.

Solid role players? Have another seat.

Dwight and Nash wanted to come play with KOBE. They both called Kobe and wanted to play with HIM. The fact that the Lakers organization feels they can still build a team around a 34 year old who's out of his prime says something doesn't it?

In 01, Kobe averaged 29/7/6 on .469% shooting in the playoffs. This past year Lebron averaged 30/9/5 on .500% shooting in the playoffs. Clearly not that far apart at all, yet Kobe was carried b/c he didn't win the FMVP. Not saying Kobe's playoff run was BETTER, just showing how hypocritical you're being.

But I know damn well, you don't consider Magic to be carried to 2 of his rings since he didn't win FMVP do ya? You don't consider Kareem to be carried to 4 of his rings? You don't consider Shaq and Duncan to be carried to their last rings do you?

Is Kobe lucky? Maybe, but not anymore than any other all time great. They've ALL had great players around them at some point in time and that's a fact. Only Kobe gets criticized for it. And yall wonder why his stans overrate him.
Sit down.

:bowdown: :applause:
Lebron stans/kobe haters scrambling for cover. :lol

[gtfomyface]

"kobe is not the goat"

:coleman:

[DirtySanchez]

"kobe is not the goat"

:coleman:
He is for his generation

[SilkkTheShocker]

He is for his generation

The 2006 season?

[riseagainst]

The 2006 season?

2000's decade.

[longtime lurker]

If Kobe makes the finals he'll once again be carried by 2 time mvp steve nash and the greatest defensive player of his generation Dwight Howard. If they lose it will all be due to Kome's chucking and overratedness!!!

[swag2011]

This...this statement right here. Why do Kobe stans latch onto it like it actually proves something? Why? They put nothing into context, blatantly ignore every single circumstance Shaq was in from his rookie season through the 1998-1999 season, and think that him not winning a championship until Kobe became a starter and/or emerged proves something about Kobe's greatness.

I can live with all the other stuff but, this argument or whatever, no, just....no.


You can have a seat with the other haters too sir. I've read plenty of you're posts and it's clear that you are one of them kobe haters that this thread is about.

It does prove something. Fact of the matter is, if shaq was so dominant, if shaq was most dominant ever, if he basically 3 peated by himself, then why couldn't he do it until kobe came along? Better yet, why did he need Kobe to be a starter to win something? Since mr dominant, was so dominant lol, why didn't he win an MVP until Kobe was a starter? You haters like to blatantly ignore everything Kobe did during the 3 peat, so why should we blatantly ignore that Shaq didn't win a Finals game or MVP until Kobe became a starter?

Go head hater, respond. In the meantime have a seat with the rest of them.

[KG215]

You can have a seat with the other haters too sir. I've read plenty of you're posts and it's clear that you are one of them kobe haters that this thread is about.

It does prove something. Fact of the matter is, if shaq was so dominant, if shaq was most dominant ever, if he basically 3 peated by himself, then why couldn't he do it until kobe came along? Better yet, why did he need Kobe to be a starter to win something? Since mr dominant, was so dominant lol, why didn't he win an MVP until Kobe was a starter? You haters like to blatantly ignore everything Kobe did during the 3 peat, so why should we blatantly ignore that Shaq didn't win a Finals game or MVP until Kobe became a starter?

Go head hater, respond. In the meantime have a seat with the rest of them.

I've argued this point countless other times in other threads, so I'm not going to do it again. And if you've read my other posts, you would know I'm not a Kobe "hater." I've never said Shaq "carried" Kobe during the 3-peat. I know Kobe was an integral part of those teams, and odds are Shaq never wins a title without Kobe.

My problem and "hate" is for the Kobe stans who latch on to things like "Shaq couldn't win without Kobe" as gospel without putting anything into context; like how his time in Orlando coincided with Michael Jordan's reign over the league and Hakeem Olajuwon at his peak. Shaq was very good before he joined the Lakers and Kobe emerged but he didn't win all because Kobe became a starter and was so good. While his stats in Orlando and LA were similar, he wasn't the same player his first 5-6 years in the league. It wasn't until he joined the Lakers did he become a more disciplined and dedicated defender, and developed a more refined post game; and about that same time another top 10 player all-time emerged and it created a dominant team.

[riseagainst]

I've argued this point countless other times in other threads, so I'm not going to do it again. And if you've read my other posts, you would know I'm not a Kobe "hater." I've never said Shaq "carried" Kobe during the 3-peat. I know Kobe was an integral part of those teams, and odds are Shaq never wins a title without Kobe.

My problem and "hate" is for the Kobe stans who latch on to things like "Shaq couldn't win without Kobe" as gospel without putting anything into context; like how his time in Orlando coincided with Michael Jordan's reign over the league and Hakeem Olajuwon at his peak. Shaq was very good before he joined the Lakers and Kobe emerged but he didn't win all because Kobe became a starter and was so good. While his stats in Orlando and LA were similar, he wasn't the same player his first 5-6 years in the league. It wasn't until he joined the Lakers did he become a more disciplined and dedicated defender, and developed a more refined post game; and about that same time another top 10 player all-time emerged and it created a dominant team.

:applause: great post.
But I think the only reason why anyone even says the bolded is because others always say "Kobe could never win without Shaq" or "Shaq carried Kobe", etc. You know you've seen things like that. It's just more of a counter argument against haters, imo, than an actual statement just in the blues.

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[KG215]

:applause: great post.
But I think the only reason why anyone even says the bolded is because others always say "Kobe could never win without Shaq" or "Shaq carried Kobe", etc. You know you've seen things like that. It's just more of a counter argument against haters, imo, than an actual statement just in the blues.

Right. I'll never say Kobe could've won without Shaq or Shaq could've won without Kobe from 2000-2004. They both needed each other. I don't know if 2000-2002 Shaq could've won a championship if that version was playing for the Magic from 1992-1996, either. Not because he didn't have Kobe, but because the Bulls/Jordan and Hakeem/Rockets were that good at the time.

But Kobe stans want to discredit a young and still developing Shaq for not winning without Kobe in a time when Jordan was keeping plenty of other HOFers from winning a ring.