#4 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Bill Russell was voted the #3 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

15.1 PPG | 22.5 RPG | 4.3 APG

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[Punpun]

Yo Dawg, since we nostalgia now, voting for WILT THE STILT CHAMBERLAIN.

[riseagainst]

majic

[no pun intended]

wilt

[IGotACoolStory]

http://www.nba-pictures.net/data/media/69/Magic-Johnson-6.jpg

[ThatCoolKid]

Wilt

[StateOfMind12]

The Magic Man, Magic Johnson.

[b1imtf]

Magic

[Deuce Bigalow]

Magic Johnson
5 Titles/3 Finals MVPs/3 MVPs
Most assists in Playoff History
The best Playoff performer and leader remaining

[DTreats]

Shaq

[Vertical-24]

Magic.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Wilt

[pauk]

Wilt Chamberlain

[sagr32]

Magic

[Colbertnation64]

Wilt

[KG215]

Magic

[jongib369]

http://15.media.tumblr.com/PwCIEKd8Nmi8ogy24kYFqtrFo1_500.jpg

Wilt Chamberlain

[OmniStrife]

Magic

[Shade8780]

Wilt Chamberlain, then Bird and theeeennnn Magic :D

[RRR3]

Big Poppa Chamberlain
http://ii.3b2o.com/image/bbs/month_1109/1109040216b7cfeefc522c8078.jpg

[jongib369]

Big Poppa Chamberlain
http://ii.3b2o.com/image/bbs/month_1109/1109040216b7cfeefc522c8078.jpg

:roll: :applause:

check my post

[LongLiveTheKing]

Magic

[AK47DR91]

Magic Johnson

[Snoop_Cat]

Larry Bird.

[bdreason]

Wilt

[jongib369]

So far it looks like its coming down to Magic or Wilt in this thread...CHECK THIS VIDEO OUT! Larry Brown talks about a pickup game of MAGIC VS WILT


http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2012/04/14/20120414_brown_magic_wilt.nba

:applause:

[Story Up]

Magic

[Sarcastic]

Wilt Chamberlain.

[Asiantastic]

Magic

[Freedom Kid7]

Gotta be the Magic Man.

I have a sick feeling the top 10 will be the very same as last year, which isn't really fair at all (I have it as MJ-KAJ-Magic-Russell-Bird)

[raid09]

Magic

[ZeN]

Magic

[BoutPractice]

Wilt. My own criteria might put Magic ahead, but it would just look weird. (Plus whoever's not picked 4th will be picked 5th anyway, so it's not a big deal)

[fsvr54]

Larry Bird

[fpliii]

Magic (should be number 2)

[1987_Lakers]

Magic

[Rolando]

Wilt the Stilt

[DatAsh]

Wilt Chamberlain

[hangintheair]

The man that beat a mountain lion. Wilt "the Big Deeper" Chamberlain

[SuperPippen]

Wilt

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Magic

[dyna]

Wilt Chamberlain

[bl2k8]

Magic

[Quickening]

Wilt

[TheeBeast]

http://www.bvbinfo.com/sands/images/16_9.jpg

The Big Dipper

[millwad]

Magic..

What kind of normal person would rate Wilt higher than Magic? Wilt with his two rings as a tied 2nd option on offense and his other ring as a fourth option on offense...

[JuicyJay78]

Wilt

[crisoner]

Magic Johnson

[TheBigVeto]

Before jlauber, I would've posted Wilt.

Now, I have to post Larry Bird.

[L.Kizzle]

Wilt

[jongib369]

Magic..

What kind of normal person would rate Wilt higher than Magic? Wilt with his two rings as a tied 2nd option on offense and his other ring as a fourth option on offense...

:rolleyes:

What kind of normal person? Oh come on lmao...Same could be said to you buddy

:cheers:

[KingBeasley08]

Wilt.

[MrWarrior]

Magic.

[coin24]

Magic:cheers:

[Kews1]

Magic J

[BlueCrayon]

Magic!

[EnoughSaid]

The greatest point guard in NBA history, a game changer, Magic Johnson!

[imdaman99]

im goin with wilt. as great as magic was on offense, he wasn't very good at all on defense.

[Hands of Iron]

:rolleyes:

What kind of normal person? Oh come on lmao...Same could be said to you buddy

:cheers:

jlauber should groom you to take his place one day. :lol

[magnax1]

Wilt

[Asukal]

http://caveofknowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/magic-johnson.jpg

[StateOfMind12]

Vote tally

Magic - 28
Wilt - 24
Bird - 3
Shaq - 1

[Yung D-Will]

Wilt

Damn apparently I'm not normal enough for Millwad

[fsvr54]

This board is crazy. All they care about is rings. Bird was better than Magic.

[ThunderStruk022]

Magic Johnson

[jongib369]

jlauber should groom you to take his place one day. :lol
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/f/fa/AniPadawan.jpg

Oneday, I will be ready

[Yung D-Will]

The fact I consider Bird's peak so much more dominant than Magic's peak, makes it impossible for me to vote Magic so high.

[Harison]

Wilt Chamberlain once got into a knife fight. The knife lost.

[KBryant24]

magic

[RRR3]

I'd like to know who Magic, who people admit was only an all-time great on one side of the ball, is better than a dominant big man who was arguably the best offensive player AND best defensive player at times during his career? :confusedshrug: Or are we just basing this off of "HURRRR DURR MAGIC GOTZ FIVE RANGZZZZZ DOEEEEE!"

[eurobum]

http://www.instablogsimages.com/1/2012/05/03/1336031073.jpg

[pauk]

Damn Wilt is getting robbed :D

[Hands of Iron]

This board is crazy. All they care about is rings. Bird was better than Magic.


The fact I consider Bird's peak so much more dominant than Magic's peak, makes it impossible for me to vote Magic so high.

:applause:

Let's put it this way: The gap between Bird's ability in terms of passing/playmaking/court vision compared to Magic's isn't nearly as large as Magic's scoring/shooting in comparison to Bird, who was also a better rebounder and elite in all the aforementioned categories. Arguably even a better defender as well. Peak Larry Bird - Over 5 Years - was a 27/10/7 on 50/40/90 player.

[Zedja]

Wilt the Stilt

[Poochymama]

Wilt

[Roc Nation]

Wilt sir

[B-hoop]

Magic

[King Crossover]

How's Magic in the lead? :oldlol:

Wilt easily

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'd like to hear a case as to why Wilt is better than Magic, Bird, Shaq, Kobe,and Duncan.

Wilt--2 Titles/2 FMVP/4 MVP/13 All-Star Teams/10 All-NBA Teams

Magic--5 Titles/3 FMVP/3 MVP/12 All-Star teams/10 All-NBA Teams
Bird--3 Titles/2 FMVP/3 MVP/12 All-Star Teams/9 All-NBA Teams
Shaq--4 Titles/3 FMVP/1 MVP/15 All-Star Teams/14 All-NBA Teams
Kobe--5 Titles/2 FMVP/1 MVP/14 All-Star Teams/14 All-NBA Teams
Duncan--4 Titles/3 FMVP/2 MVP/13 All-Star Teams/13 All-NBA Teams

And before anyone uses the teammate excuse as to why Wilt didn't win as much as they did:

Wilt lost 5 Playoff series with Home Court Advantage
Wilt lost in 4 out 6 NBA Finals series
Wilt has played with 7 Hall of Fame players
Wilt has played with 6 of the Top 50 Greatest Players in NBA History as selected in 1996

[KingBeasley08]

I'd like to hear a case as to why Wilt is better than Magic, Bird, Shaq, Kobe,and Duncan.

He's a better player.

[Deuce Bigalow]

How's Magic in the lead? :oldlol:

Wilt easily

Wilt--2 Titles/2 FMVP/4 MVP/13 All-Star Teams/10 All-NBA Teams
Magic--5 Titles/3 FMVP/3 MVP/12 All-Star Teams/10 All-NBA Teams

Maybe because he had a better career.

[Deuce Bigalow]

He's a better player.
Then why did he not win a championship in '69 and '70 when he had argaubly the best player in the NBA, Jerry West?

Here were Jerry's averages those 2 years:
1969 NBA Playoffs: 30.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 7.5 apg, 46.3 FG%
1969 NBA Finals: 37.9 ppg (2nd highest ever in an NBA Finals series)
1969 NBA Finals, Game 7: 42-13-12
1970 NBA Playoffs: 31.2 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 8.4 apg, 46.9 FG%
1970 NBA Finals: 31.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 7.7 apg, 45.0 FG%

[DTreats]

Then why did he not win a championship in '69 and '70 when he had argaubly the best player in the NBA, Jerry West?

Here were Jerry's averages those 2 years:
1969 NBA Playoffs: 30.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 7.5 apg, 46.3 FG%
1969 NBA Finals: 37.9 ppg (2nd highest ever in an NBA Finals series)
1969 NBA Finals, Game 7: 42-13-12
1970 NBA Playoffs: 31.2 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 8.4 apg, 46.9 FG%
1970 NBA Finals: 31.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 7.7 apg, 45.0 FG%
He choked. Easy as that.

[MasterDurant24]

Wilt

[KG215]

What's the cut-off for votes?

[Deuce Bigalow]

What's the cut-off for votes?
A lot :D

[Legends66NBA7]

What's the cut-off for votes?

I think it's 40, unless Deuce changed it.

[QuebecBaller]

Magic

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt
This guy has 38 posts. I think we agreed that 100 posts is required.
Sorry :(

[Hands of Iron]

This guy has 38 posts. I think we agreed that 100 posts is required.
Sorry :(

:oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt sir

Magic

How's Magic in the lead? :oldlol:

Wilt easily
under 100 posts.

[PyrrhusX]

Wilt the 100point monster.

[Colbertnation64]

What's the point of this if the OP is just gonna throw a bitch fit if someone he doesn't like is picked? You should have to be over 17 in order to run this kind of thread.

[Deuce Bigalow]

What's the point of this if the OP is just gonna throw a bitch fit if someone he doesn't like is picked? You should have to be over 17 in order to run this kind of thread.
I don't hate Wilt. I just think he is overrated and that is my opinion. I can voice my opinion right? Or is this China?
I haven't thrown a "bitch-fit". All I did was compare him to the others. But whatever. I am over 17 in case you wanted to know.

[Round Mound]

Shaq

[BlueandGold]

MJ (Magic Johnson)

[RRR3]

"Dunce thinkin' slow" at it yet again, rigging a poll to spread his stupid agendas :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

"Dunce thinkin' slow" at it yet again, rigging a poll to spread his stupid agendas :roll: :roll: :roll:
:oldlol: How am I rigging this? :roll:

[Asukal]

"Dunce thinkin' slow" at it yet again, rigging a poll to spread his stupid agendas :roll: :roll: :roll:

More like your vote isn't winning so you cry about it. :rolleyes:

[jongib369]

how is this coming out in contrast to your own personal rankings Deuce??

[Deuce Bigalow]

how is this coming out in contrast to your own personal rankings Deuce??
Mine ISH
1.MJ MJ
2. Magic KAJ
3. Russ Russ

[Legends66NBA7]

I'd like to know who Magic, who people admit was only an all-time great on one side of the ball, is better than a dominant big man who was arguably the best offensive player AND best defensive player at times during his career?

Shaq, Hakeem, and Duncan > Magic too then, just going off this. And I wouldn't mind listening to the arguments either.


Or are we just basing this off of "HURRRR DURR MAGIC GOTZ FIVE RANGZZZZZ DOEEEEE!"

Dude, do you just press the caps lock and spread the stupid shit to just get attention or do you just think Magic's career, legacy, production, and impact on the game is just off 5 rings and a total of 9 NBA Finals apperances ? Just curious (Even though, I'm pretty sure you were just trolling). :oldlol:

By going off just production, you can make the case Magic is a better playoff performer and more than has a case over Wilt as a better Finals performer.

See I didn't even argue anything else, just what they did in the big moments.

[Kblaze8855]

Magic keeps getting better the more people dont actually remember him. Wilt seems to have the opposite going on. Amusing to see....

And for the record I have no issue with someone calling Magic #4 all time. Or #1 for that matter. Hes on a level im not fighting anyone over if they say hes better than anyone.

I just...find it funny. Magic was NOT this highly ranked back in the day. Ive seen articles posted from people saying he was the second best Johnson in the league after Kevin in the late 80s, and clearly remember who I think was doug moe on CBS saying Moncrief was just as good. And I know I remember Mike fratello putting Bernard King over Magic. I watched a video on the 82 Lakers and in the comments people were calling Magic the GOAT. In 82 he was behind Gus williams, Gervin, Parish, and Moncrief in MVP voting. Gus and Gervin ahead of him on the all NBA teams.

But 30 years later hes better than Larry Bird, Wilt, and people were saying Russell too.

I will say for the record he was just underrated at the time.

But still. Strikes me as odd.

[imnew09]

Magic should have been number 3... this is some bs voting.


Magic!!!!

[TheBigVeto]

Magic keeps getting better the more people dont actually remember him. Wilt seems to have the opposite going on. Amusing to see....

And for the record I have no issue with someone calling Magic #4 all time. Or #1 for that matter. Hes on a level im not fighting anyone over if they say hes better than anyone.

I just...find it funny. Magic was NOT this highly ranked back in the day. Ive seen articles posted from people saying he was the second best Johnson in the league after Kevin in the late 80s, and clearly remember who I think was doug moe on CBS saying Moncrief was just as good. And I know I remember Mike fratello putting Bernard King over Magic. I watched a video on the 82 Lakers and in the comments people were calling Magic the GOAT. In 82 he was behind Gus williams, Gervin, Parish, and Moncrief in MVP voting. Gus and Gervin ahead of him on the all NBA teams.

But 30 years later hes better than Larry Bird, Wilt, and people were saying Russell too.

I will say for the record he was just underrated at the time.

But still. Strikes me as odd.

It's called "Revisionist history by Laker fans".

20 years from now, magically Kobe can rank quite high too, even though he doesn't even belong in top 20 GOAT.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

"Magic is a top 5 player all-time." Oh the humanity!!! :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Qbo0WqvOI

[BlackVVaves]

Magic Johnson :dancin

[WockaVodka]

Magic keeps getting better the more people dont actually remember him. Wilt seems to have the opposite going on. Amusing to see....

And for the record I have no issue with someone calling Magic #4 all time. Or #1 for that matter. Hes on a level im not fighting anyone over if they say hes better than anyone.

I just...find it funny. Magic was NOT this highly ranked back in the day. Ive seen articles posted from people saying he was the second best Johnson in the league after Kevin in the late 80s, and clearly remember who I think was doug moe on CBS saying Moncrief was just as good. And I know I remember Mike fratello putting Bernard King over Magic. I watched a video on the 82 Lakers and in the comments people were calling Magic the GOAT. In 82 he was behind Gus williams, Gervin, Parish, and Moncrief in MVP voting. Gus and Gervin ahead of him on the all NBA teams.

But 30 years later hes better than Larry Bird, Wilt, and people were saying Russell too.

I will say for the record he was just underrated at the time.

But still. Strikes me as odd.
It is because he broke out and started coming on to his own in the late 80s, not the early 80s.

That is when he started getting his recognition but Jordan was emerging too so he didn't ge tthat much hype.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#4 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

36- Magic Johnson
28- Wilt Chamberlain
4- Larry Bird
2- Shaquille O'Neal

[jongib369]

#4 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

34- Magic Johnson
28- Wilt Chamberlain
3- Larry Bird
2- Shaquille O'Neal
this is your thread but I think you can skip number 5 thread and go to 6..Magic and Wilt are getting so many votes who ever loses should just be made number 5...no one else is even close

[Deuce Bigalow]

this is your thread but I think you can skip number 5 thread and go to 6..Magic and Wilt are getting so many votes who ever loses should just be made number 5...no one else is even close
Well, I'm sure Bird is going to get a lot of votes for #5.

[fpliii]

this is your thread but I think you can skip number 5 thread and go to 6..Magic and Wilt are getting so many votes who ever loses should just be made number 5...no one else is even close

you'd think so, but this isn't always the case:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7709144&postcount=16

the leading minority in a plurality vote won't always win successive run-offs, since a segmented subset of the population might have different tendencies from the rest of the voters (particular with a smaller sample, though you also see this on broader scales, occasionally)

you really need to hold different votes for each rank


Well, I'm sure Bird is going to get a lot of votes for #5.

lol my man Deuce is on point

[Hands of Iron]

Magic keeps getting better the more people dont actually remember him. Wilt seems to have the opposite going on. Amusing to see....

And for the record I have no issue with someone calling Magic #4 all time. Or #1 for that matter. Hes on a level im not fighting anyone over if they say hes better than anyone.

I just...find it funny. Magic was NOT this highly ranked back in the day. Ive seen articles posted from people saying he was the second best Johnson in the league after Kevin in the late 80s, and clearly remember who I think was doug moe on CBS saying Moncrief was just as good. And I know I remember Mike fratello putting Bernard King over Magic. I watched a video on the 82 Lakers and in the comments people were calling Magic the GOAT. In 82 he was behind Gus williams, Gervin, Parish, and Moncrief in MVP voting. Gus and Gervin ahead of him on the all NBA teams.

But 30 years later hes better than Larry Bird, Wilt, and people were saying Russell too.

I will say for the record he was just underrated at the time.

But still. Strikes me as odd.

Bird was cleaning Magic's clock for the most part from an individual standpoint up until his back problems really began to surface on a consistent, debilitating basis. After that, you could make a pretty strong case for Jordan and/or Barkley for the 1989/1990 MVP's that Magic added to his resume, particularly 1990. Everybody knows the deal with the 1980 Finals MVP. It was Bird who swept up all of the Player of the Year awards their final seasons in college (AP, Naismith, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, etc), Bird who won the NBA Rookie of the Year the following season, made All-NBA 1st Team and placed 4th in MVP voting (Magic was not in the top ten), Bird who won three consecutive NBA MVP's from 1984-86 before Magic even got his first. On and on...

If Wilt takes this, I've got a feeling I may be reposting this in the #5 thread.

[G-train]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/505099/87472_pacers_draft_basketball.jpg

[RRR3]

you'd think so, but this isn't always the case:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7709144&postcount=16

the leading minority in a plurality vote won't always win successive run-offs, since a segmented subset of the population might have different tendencies from the rest of the voters (particular with a smaller sample, though you also see this on broader scales, occasionally)

you really need to hold different votes for each rank



lol my man Deuce is on point
Expect "Dung Bunglin' tool" to rig the voting to make sure Wilt remains out fo the top 5:lol

The more I learn about Bird, the more I think maybe he should be over Magic...Lakers fans are relentless of course.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Expect "Dung Bunglin' tool" to rig the voting to make sure Wilt remains out fo the top 5:lol

The more I learn about Bird, the more I think maybe he should be over Magic...Lakers fans are relentless of course.
"Dung Bunglin tool" :biggums:

"Rings don't matter" -RRR3

[1987_Lakers]

can we start the #5 thread now? Looks like Magic has it.

[G-train]

Expect "Dung Bunglin' tool" to rig the voting to make sure Wilt remains out fo the top 5:lol

The more I learn about Bird, the more I think maybe he should be over Magic...Lakers fans are relentless of course.

I have been voting Bird since number 2.

[Hands of Iron]

can we start the #5 thread now? Looks like Magic has it.

Bird > Magic, though.

:applause:

[KOBE143]

Magic

I dont get it why Kobe the GOAT Lakers is still not in the list.. Doesnt make sense at all..

:confusedshrug:

[Hands of Iron]

Expect "Dung Bunglin' tool" to rig the voting to make sure Wilt remains out fo the top 5:lol

The more I learn about Bird, the more I think maybe he should be over Magic...Lakers fans are relentless of course.

I haven't actually placed a vote on one of these forum consensus experiments yet, but that will change when we get to #5.

[Legends66NBA7]

Am I the only one that feels that Shaq isn't getting enough consideration for the Top 5 ?

[DaHeezy]

magic

[jongib369]

Well, I'm sure Bird is going to get a lot of votes for #5.
Thats true I'd just 'expect him to get a lot more votes for number 4 then...I just dont get how so little people can vote for him as number 4...wilt being so close...but then number 5 a storm of Bird votes quadrupling what he got prior......but you are right hes getting a lot of 5 votes!

[Deuce Bigalow]

Thats true I'd just 'expect him to get a lot more votes for number 4 then...I just dont get how so little people can vote for him as number 4...wilt being so close...but then number 5 a storm of Bird votes quadrupling what he got prior......but you are right hes getting a lot of 5 votes!
Probably because the people that voted for Magic are probably going to mostly vote Bird.