Replace Kobe With Lebron On the 06 Lakers

[SilkkTheShocker]

Does the team improve? Stay the same? Get worse?

Personally, I think they improve record-wise and go to the 2nd round.

[DTreats]

Depends which LeBron you put on that team.

Current,prime(08+) LeBron goes to the WCF.

03-07 LeBron takes them to a second round exit.


LeBron makes his teammates better, something Kobe has never done.

[NumberSix]

3-peat

[SilkkTheShocker]

Depends which LeBron you put on that team.

Current,prime(08+) LeBron goes to the WCF.

03-07 LeBron takes them to a second round exit.


LeBron makes his teammates better, something Kobe has never done.

No doubt in my mind prime Lebron takes that team to the WCF. Basically would be the same kind of talent he played with in Cleveland. 06-08 Lebron goes to the 2nd round like you said.

[pauk]

WCF/Finals... who knows, he got to the Finals with even less to work with around him

[Rubio2Gasol]

First round playoff exit but better regular season record.

[ZaaaaaH]

LOL 5 retards Already on this post :applause:

[Fiasco]

LMAO at these guys saying LeBron could have done any better with prime Smush parker as his second option

get out

[longtime lurker]

WCF/Finals... who knows, he got to the Finals with even less to work with around him

Now that's just a blatant lie.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Definitely would have beaten an Amare-less Suns team. From that point on, it would be up in the air. Lebron was a BEAST in 2006 (better in '06 than in '07 IMO).

[DTreats]

LMAO at these guys saying LeBron could have done any better with prime Smush parker as his second option

get out
He made the finals with past his prime Eric Snow as his second option

[SilkkTheShocker]

LMAO at these guys saying LeBron could have done any better with prime Smush parker as his second option

get out


He also had Odom. Who was better than anyone Lebron played with in Cleveland. Lebron's 2nd best player on his Finals team was a rookie 2nd round pick PG.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Lebron wouldn't fit well with Odom.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Definitely would have beaten an Amare-less Suns team. From that point on, it would be up in the air. Lebron was a BEAST in 2006 (better in '06 than in '07 IMO).

06 Lebron is very underrated. I thought it was his best season when it came to taking it to the hole.

[TheBigVeto]

Does the team improve? Stay the same? Get worse?

Personally, I think they improve record-wise and go to the 2nd round.

The Lakers would be much much better. Infinitely better.

[Quotable]

If you look at Kobe's teammates in 2006 they all shot well above career averages in FG% that year. Kobe was underrated at making teammates better back then. Luke Walton a career fringe rotation guy was the third best player on that team. They relied heavily on Kwame Brown, nuff said. Kobe was phenomenal that year.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If you look at Kobe's teammates in 2006 they all shot well above career averages in FG% that year. Kobe was underrated at making teammates better back then. Luke Walton a career fringe rotation guy was the third best player on that team. They relied heavily on Kwame Brown, nuff said. Kobe was phenomenal that year.

The triangle and Phil Jackson's coaching was the biggest reason for that.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lebron wouldn't fit well with Odom.


No matter your opinion, its a fact Odom was better than any of Lebron's Cleveland teammates.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If you look at Kobe's teammates in 2006 they all shot well above career averages in FG% that year. Kobe was underrated at making teammates better back then. Luke Walton a career fringe rotation guy was the third best player on that team. They relied heavily on Kwame Brown, nuff said. Kobe was phenomenal that year.

Triangle offense. Lebron blows Kobe out of the water as a playmaker. This is a man who made Mo Williams an all-star for a season.

[ZaaaaaH]

:facepalm
He also had Odom. Who was better than anyone Lebron played with in Cleveland. Lebron's 2nd best player on his Finals team was a rookie 2nd round pick PG.


And of COURSE u are a LeBron fan.


How the fuccck ya forget about Big Z. :facepalm

LOL Odom being good. Where the fuccck ya delusional fagggts keep coming up with this bs?

[SilkkTheShocker]

He made the finals with past his prime Eric Snow as his second option

Thats why I laugh when I hear Laker fans bring up Smush Parker. Lebron played with the corpse of Eric Snow for 3 seasons. With him being arguably the worst player in the NBA his last season. Cry me a river :cry:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Big Z for me was slightly better than Odom.

Anyway another agenda thread lol.Odom plays a very similar game to Bron , they'd clash.

Cleveland was a great defensive team lol.

Anyway push your agenda I can't stop you.

[ZaaaaaH]

Triangle offense. Lebron blows Kobe out of the water as a playmaker. This is a man who made Mo Williams an all-star for a season.


LOL are you Retarded?

Kobe is one of THE Best Playmaker of all time.

LeBron is just a better Passer. :facepalm

LOL this Kid :lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

:facepalm


And of COURSE u are a LeBron fan.


How the fuccck ya forget about Big Z. :facepalm

LOL Odom being good. Where the fuccck ya delusional fagggts keep coming up with this bs?

LMAO if you think Big Z was better than Odom.

[ZaaaaaH]

Big Z for me was slightly better than Odom.


Big Z was CLEARLY better then Odom.

Even Varejao played his role Much much better then Odom ever has for the Lakers.

[ZaaaaaH]

LMAO if you think Big Z was better than Odom.


LOL

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Amazing how much u know about basketball. :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Big Z for me was slightly better than Odom.

Anyway another agenda thread lol.Odom plays a very similar game to Bron , they'd clash.

Cleveland was a great defensive team lol.

Anyway push your agenda I can't stop you.


Big Z didn't even have the stamina to play big mins in 4th quarters. He was routinely benched for Varejao in crunch time. And I disagree about Odom. If Lebron can work with Wade, he can worth with just about anyone. Rondo would be a tough sell though. They wouldn't work at all.

[SilkkTheShocker]

LOL

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Amazing how much u know about basketball. :roll:


Big Z was better than Odom at shooting jumpers. Thats it.

[TheBigVeto]

If you look at Kobe's teammates in 2006 they all shot well above career averages in FG% that year. Kobe was underrated at making teammates better back then. Luke Walton a career fringe rotation guy was the third best player on that team. They relied heavily on Kwame Brown, nuff said. Kobe was phenomenal that year.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:

[qrich]

Lost to the Clippers. LeBron would have went off but gritty Singleton and high IQ Ross would have done work. Cassell would have killed Smush and Mobley would have his way at the two. That isn't including with Chris and Elton would have done to Kwame, Mihm and Lamar.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Wade has good off the ball movement and is fairly consistent.

I see high pick and roll being a decent option maye a more definite passing game with Luke in there , but nothing corset functional.

Z was a pretty good rim protector and he had a pretty good offensive game and grabbed boards to boot.

And most importantly he was consistent with all that lol.

[RRR3]

:facepalm


And of COURSE u are a LeBron fan.


How the fuccck ya forget about Big Z. :facepalm

LOL Odom being good. Where the fuccck ya delusional fagggts keep coming up with this bs?
The majority of big z's best seasons came with lebron

[riseagainst]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:


this retard right here.
so mad. :lol

anyway 5 game sweep by the Suns every year until 2008.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lost to the Clippers. LeBron would have went off but gritty Singleton and high IQ Ross would have done work. Cassell would have killed Smush and Mobley would have his way at the two. That isn't including with Chris and Elton would have done to Kwame, Mihm and Lamar.


Lebron would have c.ock slapped the Clippers

[imnew09]

They get the lottery draft...

[SilkkTheShocker]

this retard right here.
so mad. :lol

anyway 5 game sweep by the Suns every year until 2008.


Lebron would have led the Lakers to a better regular record than Kobe. Would probably never have played Phoenix until later rounds.

[riseagainst]

Lebron would have led the Lakers to a better regular record than Kobe. Would probably never have played Phoenix until later rounds.

ur right, then he'd get swept by Spurs eventually again.

[Rubio2Gasol]

The majority of big z's best seasons came with lebron
Not complety sure but I think Big Z was an all
Star the year before Lebron got drafted.

[SilkkTheShocker]

ur right, then he'd get swept by Spurs eventually again.

03-07 Lebron? Definitely swept. Prime Lebron would have got a game or two.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Not complety sure but I think Big Z was an all
Star the year before Lebron got drafted.


He put up 17ppg on like 44% shooting on a team that won 17 games. 1999 was prime Big Z. He was still atheltic and could handle the ball some and more efficient. He had serious foot injury problems early in his career.

[qrich]

Lebron would have c.ock slapped the Clippers

Sure, he would have averaged 29/8/8 with 27 of those points in the first three quarters but Brand would have dropped 30/12 with 3 blocks on Kwame.

[IGOTGAME]

Cabs were always tip defensive and rebounding teams. Lakers were horrible at both.

[ZaaaaaH]

The majority of big z's best seasons came with lebron


Are ya serious?

Wow these LeBron fans are delusional in their own World.

Big Z was already a All star AND he Made his name in 98 or 99 Playoffs.

These kids who Love the Hypnotical of Odom being Great.... which never happened.

Odom WAS never great, he just had all the hype and potential so Kids like you think he was awesome.

And of course the Big Euro guy who had better stat line and causes much more impact on Defense gets out credit by a 6th Man of the year who never reached his Full Potential due to his lack of Discipline.

Go to Bed kids.

[RRR3]

Sure, he would have averaged 29/8/8 with 27 of those points in the first three quarters but Brand would have dropped 30/12 with 3 blocks on Kwame.
Funny how LeBron led the NBA in 4th quarter scoring back then :eek: I wouldn't talk either if was a fan of Blake the Flake Flippin'. :lol Didn't even play in the 4th quarters of the playoffs, CP3 got tired of being Blakey's pacifier in crunch time :roll: :roll: :roll:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Does the team improve? Stay the same? Get worse?

Personally, I think they improve record-wise and go to the 2nd round.
:no:

[RRR3]

Are ya serious?

Wow these LeBron fans are delusional in their own World.

Big Z was already a All star AND he Made his name in 98 or 99 Playoffs.

These kids who Love the Hypnotical of Odom being Great.... which never happened.

Odom WAS never great, he just had all the hype and potential so Kids like you think he was awesome.

And of course the Big Euro guy who had better stat line and causes much more impact on Defense gets out credit by a 6th Man of the year who never reached his Full Potential due to his lack of Discipline.

Go to Bed kids.



Big Z 2001-02: 11.1 PPG on 42.5% shooting
2002-03 (17 win team): 17.2 PPG on 44.1% shooting
2003-04 (LeBron joins team): 15.9 PPG on 48.3% shooting
2004-05 (LeBron becomes superstar): 16.9 PPG on 46.8% shooting
2005-06: 15.6 PPG (in just 29.3 MPG!) on 50.6% shooting



"B-b-b-b-buh-buh-buh LeBron didn't help Big Z!" :rolleyes:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

On that '06 team, who would Lebron pass the ball to in the 4th quarter?
Who was going to carry him?

[Dictator]

Different team, different conference, different play style....... really hard to decide.

You can't just say because player a did this on this team that he'll automaticallly make the same result on another team.

[KOBE143]

Worst in the league with 6-76 record

[Flagrant 2]

He'd get swept in the 1st round.

[Dictator]

Big Z 2001-02: 11.1 PPG on 42.5% shooting
2002-03 (17 win team): 17.2 PPG on 44.1% shooting
2003-04 (LeBron joins team): 15.9 PPG on 48.3% shooting
2004-05 (LeBron becomes superstar): 16.9 PPG on 46.8% shooting
2005-06: 15.6 PPG (in just 29.3 MPG!) on 50.6% shooting



"B-b-b-b-buh-buh-buh LeBron didn't help Big Z!" :rolleyes:


99' Big Z was dropping 15ppg 9trb 1st on 51%

[stickfigure87]

lebron fans are delusional.

the 06 lakers team didn't have the shooters or big men that lebron required to be effective. who was going to set screens, kwame? who was going to shoot, smuh?

[RRR3]

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[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Big Z 2001-02: 11.1 PPG on 42.5% shooting
2002-03 (17 win team): 17.2 PPG on 44.1% shooting
2003-04 (LeBron joins team): 15.9 PPG on 48.3% shooting
2004-05 (LeBron becomes superstar): 16.9 PPG on 46.8% shooting
2005-06: 15.6 PPG (in just 29.3 MPG!) on 50.6% shooting



"B-b-b-b-buh-buh-buh LeBron didn't help Big Z!" :rolleyes:
Big Z was putting up big numbers before Lebron came around. You picked the years where he was slowed down by nagging injuries.
You know, he did not enter the league in 2001.
Lebron ******gers are pathetic.

[RRR3]

99' Big Z was dropping 15ppg 9trb 1st on 51%
HE played 5 games that year, you imbecile :facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

Sure, he would have averaged 29/8/8 with 27 of those points in the first three quarters but Brand would have dropped 30/12 with 3 blocks on Kwame.
Lebron would've c.ock slapped the Clippers back to San Diego

[Dictator]

HE played 5 games that year, you imbecile :facepalm

98' 14 9 1 52%

Then factor in how you tried to spin it in Lebron's direction. Only two yrs without Lebron so that's all there is to use. Y

[RRR3]

98' 14 9 1 52%

Then factor in how you tried to spin it in Lebron's direction. Only two yrs without Lebron so that's all there is to use. Y
Two year sample size>one. Let's not act like Odom wasn't 17/8/5 and 17/10/4 WITHOUT Kobe, though, and let's pretend like Caron Butler didn't have his best years WITHOUT Kobe :lol

[qrich]

Funny how LeBron led the NBA in 4th quarter scoring back then :eek: I wouldn't talk either if was a fan of Blake the Flake Flippin'. :lol Didn't even play in the 4th quarters of the playoffs, CP3 got tired of being Blakey's pacifier in crunch time :roll: :roll: :roll:

What do Blake and Paul have to do with this thread or the 06 Clippers again.....

Clippers would let LeBron get his, clog the paint as the Lakers best shooters were Sasha and Smush, pound it in to Brand/Kaman/Rebraca with Vlad, Cat and Sam hitting open looks. Then throw in the D and hustle of Ross & Singleton and Maggs ability to get to the line.

But of course, LeBron that year would have done way better than Kobe of that year because of Blake and Paul :rolleyes:


Lebron would've c.ock slapped the Clippers back to San Diego

Clippers would have sent LeBron crying to his momma in 6. Unless West, or probably Sasha Vujacic in this case, was banging her, then she'd ignore him as well.

[RRR3]

What do Blake and Paul have to do with this thread or the 06 Clippers again.....

Clippers would let LeBron get his, clog the paint as the Lakers best shooters were Sasha and Smush, pound it in to Brand/Kaman/Rebraca with Vlad, Cat and Sam hitting open looks. Then throw in the D and hustle of Ross & Singleton and Maggs ability to get to the line.

But of course, LeBron that year would have done way better than Kobe of that year because of Blake and Paul :rolleyes:



Clippers would have sent LeBron crying to his momma in 6. Unless West, or probably Sasha Vujacic in this case, was banging her, then she'd ignore him as well.

The Clippers don't make anyone cry except their own fans. LeBron is more successful than your entire franchise's history. :roll: Be glad you have CP3 now, you're lucky he can make a Caesar salad out of the shit Sterling gives him to work with.

[Heavincent]

Are we replacing him with 06 Lebron? They definitely get worse in that case.

[qrich]

The Clippers don't make anyone cry except their own fans. LeBron is more successful than your entire franchise's history. :roll: Be glad you have CP3 now, you're lucky he can make a Caesar salad out of the shit Sterling gives him to work with.


devean george i more succesful than lebron

:rolleyes:

idk who is worse, klfs or lebron nutriders

[ripthekik]

06 Lebron is very underrated. I thought it was his best season when it came to taking it to the hole.
06 was when he took it to your hole the best?

[TheAesirsFinest]

Different team, different conference, different play style....... really hard to decide.

You can't just say because player a did this on this team that he'll automaticallly make the same result on another team.

:applause: Finally, the right answer. The game of basketball and, in this situation, success in the NBA is subject to an inconceivable amount of factors. Team offense system, team defense system, team chemistry, the decisions of the front offices, etc.

Hypothetical situation threads rarely churn out even a single good post.

[Dictator]

Two year sample size>one. Let's not act like Odom wasn't 17/8/5 and 17/10/4 WITHOUT Kobe, though, and let's pretend like Caron Butler didn't have his best years WITHOUT Kobe :lol

Idk how odom's best yrs were before the Lakers. With La, Odom gained in rebounding and increased his fg%, while lowering his tos.

Also we can't base that Big Z was better with Lebron because the year he played without him he still played pretty well.

[SilkkTheShocker]

06 was when he took it to your hole the best?
I bet u got excited typing that sentence, f.ag :cheers:

[RRR3]

devean george i more succesful than lebron

:rolleyes:

idk who is worse, klfs or lebron nutriders
You perpetuated a stupid anti-LeBron myth, forgive me if I find that annoying and amusing coming from a Clippers fan. Don't get me wrong, CP3 is one of my favorite players, though. Blake the flake still sucks.

[ripthekik]

I bet u got excited typing that sentence, f.ag :cheers:
Nah, you got wet saying Lebron took it to the hole, imagining him ramming you from the back

[Mr. Jabbar]

2006 off season = the decision

[amfirst]

LOL

Smush
LeBron
Luke
Lamar
Brown

That crap isn't beating the Suns. First round exist at best. They would actually do worst because LeBron isn't the type to score more than pass, and that team requires a lot of scoring. Plus, we all know Marion would toy with LeBron. LeBron would get to play 1 vs. 3 every night. No one pays any attention to the other guys. LeBron is lucky on the heats because he has other stars so he can go one on one.

[White Mamba]

no jumpshot on 2006, and he will pass it to kawame for game winner:oldlol:

suns will sweep his ass 4-0.

[Cali Syndicate]

He also had Odom. Who was better than anyone Lebron played with in Cleveland. Lebron's 2nd best player on his Finals team was a rookie 2nd round pick PG.

that may be so but Big Z/Varejao and Drew Gooden/Marshall was a far better front court than Kwame/Mihm and Odom/Cook. Far Better.

[scm5]

Wait, Lebron makes teammates better HOW exactly?

Every single player that plays with Lebron has worse numbers than before they joined him.

I remember posting about this once, i remember not finding a single player has put up significantly better numbers playing with Lebron than not.

Not even MO WILLIAMS.

Mo Williams in 08 on the Bucks... 17.2ppg on 48% FG, 3.5rpg, 6.3apg
Mo Williams in 09 playing w/ Lebron.... 17.8ppg, 47% FG%, 3.4rpg, 4.1apg.

In fact, I would say that playing with Lebron made Mo Williams worse.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html

After playing with Lebron, Mo Williams went from taking MAX 3.5 3's per game to probably around 5 3FGA's per game.

Lebron basically turned him into a shooter because that's what he needed.

Meanwhile... Smush, Kwame (debatable), Cook, Mihm, Ariza, Odom, Pau, and even Sessions had either their best or one of their best seasons while they were playing with Kobe.

[NumberSix]

Nah, you got wet saying Lebron took it to the hole, imagining him ramming you from the back
U mad fuq-o

[riseagainst]

no jumpshot on 2006, and he will pass it to kawame for game winner:oldlol:

suns will sweep his ass 4-0.

:lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lebron wouldn't have played the Suns in the 1st round. They would have play someone else since he would've led the Lakers to a better regular record.