Which is the most elite special forces in the military?

[DaHeezy]

I'm watching Stars Earn Stripes which is a show on different military divisions and stars pitted against eachother in combat training. This makes me wonder which is the most elite special forces? Field combat specifically

Army Rangers?
Delta Force?
Navy SEALS?
Green Berrets?
other?

[bmulls]

They all have different missions.

Rangers are elite light infantry and are deployed in greater numbers than the rest. Think targets that require a large assault force, like an air field or a fortified compound.

Green Berets/SEALS both deploy in small teams, but the Green Beret mission is typically more diplomatic than the SEALs. They negotiate with warlords, train local forces, etc. SEALs are the door kicking trigger pullers.

Delta is probably the most "elite" of the groups you listed. They draw the best from every branch of the military and focus on counter terrorism.

[CeltsGarlic]

ISH Delta Force.

[East_Stone_Ya]

is OP thinking about most elite special forces in the U.S military?

[LuppersGB]

They all have different missions.

Rangers are elite light infantry and are deployed in greater numbers than the rest. Think targets that require a large assault force, like an air field or a fortified compound.

Green Berets/SEALS both deploy in small teams, but the Green Beret mission is typically more diplomatic than the SEALs. They negotiate with warlords, train local forces, etc. SEALs are the door kicking trigger pullers.

Delta is probably the most "elite" of the groups you listed. They draw the best from every branch of the military and focus on counter terrorism.


I think you have the SEALs and Delta Force the Wrong way round. Delta does a lot of the CT stuff and often deploys in traditional ways within regular military units as an asset.

SEALs are the the top dogs, they are the only SF group to be attached to CIA/SAD who are the real guys who kick ass and take names. Hence why the SEALs took Bin Laden and not Delta.

Rangers are just Air-Assault troops and probably just as comparable to the USMC - A more versatile light infantry. A few green Beret guys have been killed in random ass Saharan African countries during War on Terror campaigns as "military advisers".

However the most elite is surely one than takes all the skills from the a fore mentioned and adds more skills to their repertoire? In which case the answer are the USAF SF Para-rescuers. Combat Medics who jump into anything to save lives. They have all the close combat training of Counter Terrorism, Elite infiltration techniques like HALO combat jumps, Amphibious ability due to SAR roles in the US(see the film Perfect Storm: the guys who jump into the storm) and to top it all off they are the highest qualified medics in the military. They have one rule save the target and will shoot anyone who attempts to stop them, including friendlies. These lads are the unsung heroes of the Special Forces

[Joshumitsu]

Well, according to Medal of Honor and other video games, SEAL Team Six (DEVGRU) and Delta Force (CAG) are Tier 1 units, meaning they are the most elite. The US Air Force's 24th Special Tactics Squadron is another Tier 1 unit that tends to get overlooked by mainstream media/pop culture. The Marines don't have a Tier 1 unit but from browsing around various sites and reading comments, they are expected to assemble one in the near future.

In terms of popular culture, Seal Team Six and Delta are the most popular units. Naturally, the average civilian will want to compare the two. The below site is run by former Rangers, SEALs, Special Forces (Green Berets), and various other former military affiliated personnel and attempts to compare the two units. The author is a former Ranger.

http://sofrep.com/5447/differences-delta-and-seal-team-6/

Internationally, SAS, SBS, JTF2, GROM, Spetznas GRU and Alpha Group, Sayeret Matkal, and Shayetet 13 are pretty bad ass Tier One units too.

As for Tier 2, the Rangers currently (as of 2011-12) hold this aspect. I've read that this is because their role as an elite infantry battalion is deemed much more vital to the modern world than the missions that SEALs, Green Berets, and other Special Ops units have trained for. You want speed, precision, and firepower? You call the Rangers. There's also a good reason 70% of Delta Force consists of Rangers.

Tier 3 is composed of SEALS, Army Special Forces (SF/Green Berets), Air Force Pararescue, and I believe Marine Spec Ops units. Again, they're elite but their missions (underwater demolition/naval type warfare which SEALs specialize in is kind of moot in Afghanistan). That said, they are more than capable of handling missions in Afghanistan/Iraq. It's just that they're not as prioritized and have been moved from Tier 2 to Tier 3. Though, Special Forces/Green Berets' missions actually fit the profile of Afghanistan/Iraq more-so than any other group. They're trained in counterinsurgency, force multiplying (building an army of rebels), unconventional warfare, and are culturally sensitive to the indigenous population. From what I understand, they're being misused in Afghanistan. Why we didn't just rely on Army SF/Green Berets for Afghanistan rather than deploy thousands of troops and throwing away billions of dollars, I don't know.

Anyway, that's just my research of readily available information you can find on the net.

There's really no better. Just different units with different roles/lifestyles. In terms of eliteness and blowing sh*t up and killing thousands of bad guys, it's better to understand that real life isn't a video game and war is full of consequences.

[franchise#3]

I've heard North Korean special forces are pretty good. They're killing machines.

[magic chiongson]

I've heard North Korean special forces are pretty good. They're killing machines.

this, especially the one where the current kim is the team leader. rainbow six is only second to them

[HylianNightmare]

The ones we don't even know about

[Rolando]

I think the Israelis most likely have a very high level unit. They're always busy.

Edit: they are called Shayetet 13.

Here is a usefull link. According to this website they are rated #3 in Badassity

http://listverse.com/2010/01/11/top-10-badasses-of-the-worlds-special-forces/

[DaHeezy]

is OP thinking about most elite special forces in the U.S military?

Yes

[East_Stone_Ya]

Yes

ok then i think DEVGRU units though information on them is highly classified.

[magictricked]

The CIA paramilitary guys are probably the most elite. They take the cream of the crop from all the other groups.

[Nick Young]

I think the Israelis most likely have a very high level unit. They're always busy.

Edit: they are called Shayetet 13.

Here is a usefull link. According to this website they are rated #3 in Badassity

http://listverse.com/2010/01/11/top-10-badasses-of-the-worlds-special-forces/
hard to top these guys

[LuppersGB]

The CIA paramilitary guys are probably the most elite. They take the cream of the crop from all the other groups.

being the Military geek that I am:D the CIA is a 'civilian' organisation and as such "does not take part in military operations" :pimp:
But the Special Activities Division take as you said the cream of the crop

[AlphaWolf24]

I'm watching Stars Earn Stripes which is a show on different military divisions and stars pitted against eachother in combat training. This makes me wonder which is the most elite special forces? Field combat specifically

Army Rangers?
Delta Force?
Navy SEALS?
Green Berrets?
other?


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elite?...

the whole corps is elite...

- There is a reason Murrica goes to other countrys and take over (the then them coming here).it's because of the Marines....not bunch of small groups who smoke and joke24/7.

[Nick Young]

The finest fighting machine the world has ever seen. We were born in a bomb crater, our Mother was an M-16, and our Father was the Devil. Each moment that I live is an additional threat upon your life. I am a rough looking, roving soldier of the sea. I am cocky, self-centered, overbearing, and do not know the meaning of fear, for I am fear itself. I am a green amphibious monster, made of blood and guts, who arose from the sea, feasting on anti-Americans throughout the globe. Whenever it may arise, and when my time comes, I will die a glorious death on the battlefield, giving my life for Mom, the Corps, and the American Flag. We stole the eagle from the Air Force, the anchor from the Navy, and the rope from the Army. On the 7th day, while God rested, we over-ran his perimeter and stole the globe, and we've been running the show ever since. We live like soldiers and talk like sailors and slap the Hell out of both of them. Soldier by day, lover by night, drunkard by choice,
MARINE BY GOD!!! OORAH!!!


elite?...

the whole corps is elite...

- There is a reason Murrica goes to other contry and take over (the then them coming here).it's because of the Marines....not bunch of small groups who smoke and joke24/7.
vietcongs+afghani terrorists have kicked the marines ass.

Can't think of anyone who's kicked Mossad's ass.
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[bballer]

SEAL Team 6

[KevinNYC]

Well, according to Medal of Honor and other video games, SEAL Team Six (DEVGRU) and Delta Force (CAG) are Tier 1 units, meaning they are the most elite. .....

In terms of popular culture, Seal Team Six and Delta are the most popular units. ......

http://sofrep.com/5447/differences-delta-and-seal-team-6/.....
Anyway, that's just my research of readily available information you can find on the net.

What you just posted is hiliarious if you read this article
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/opinion/bergen-obama-swift-boat/index.html.

There's a new group trying to "swiftboat" Obama and one of their charges is that he endangered the Navy Seals and their families by revealing that Seal Team Six took out Bin Laden. However, as you point out the existence of Seal Team Six is hardly a secret. Terrorism Expert Peter Bergen offers this take down


During his speech to the nation and world, Obama did not divulge the name of SEAL Team Six, saying only that a "small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability."

It quickly leaked that SEAL Team Six had executed the raid, but this was hardly surprising as the SEALs are the principal Special Operations Forces in the Afghanistan/Pakistan theater, something that has been discussed in multiple news stories over the past several years and in bestselling books such as "Lone Survivor" by former Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell.

And the SEALs have hardly kept a low profile of late, cooperating in a movie "Act of Valor" that was released in theaters this year, which actually featured real SEALs playing the parts of the heroes of the movie.
Perhaps if you had absolutely no knowledge of the U.S. military, or indeed access to Wikipedia where SEAL Team Six has had an entry since 2004, it would be news to you that SEAL Team Six, along with the Army's Delta Force, are America's premier counterterrorism units. Obviously, a mission to take out bin Laden would not be entrusted to any other than these elite units.

This new group of swiftboaters just happens to share office space with two Republican consulting firms.

[AlphaWolf24]

vietcongs+afghani terrorists have kicked the marines ass.

Can't think of anyone who's kicked Mossad's ass.
http://*****.com/general32/ruth.htm the starred out word is *****


Link doesn't work...

Vietnemese Kicked Marines ***?


The Enemy Refuses to Give Battle:

September-November Operations

Operation
PIRANHA-Much Ado About CS, Operation STOMP-October-November Operations


After Operation STARLITE, III MAF entered a new stage of operations aimed at striking at enemy main force units. Having eliminated the threat posed to the Chu Lai base by the 1st VC Regiment, General Walt considered the time opportune to complete the destruction of the enemy regiment. His intelligence sources indicated that its remnants had withdrawn to the Batangan Peninsula, eight miles south of Van Tuong. After consulting with General Thi, General Walt issued a warning order on 26 August to Colonel Peatross for the 7th Marines to plan for a coordinated operation in the area. *

In contrast to STARLITE, the planning and preparations for the new operation were extensive. From 31 August through 2 September, Marine and naval commanders travelled between Da Nang and Chu Lai. They were briefed by the III MAF staff and prepared detailed plans. Captain McKinney and Colonel Peatross once more were to be the respective commanders of the amphibious task force and landing forces. They coordinated their activities with the the South Vietnamese and on 3 September the plans were complete. That date, the 7th Marines published Operation Order 423-65, codenamed PIRANHA.

The concept of operations for PIRANHA was similar to that of STARLITE. Two Marine battalions, Lieutenant Colonel Kelly's 1st Battalion, 7th Marines and Muir's 3d Battalion, 3d Marines, would be embarked on Seventh Fleet shipping, while another battalion, Lieutenant Colonel Bodley's 3d Battalion, 7th Marines, would conduct a heliborne assault of the objective area.** On D-Day, Kelly's battalion would land across WHITE Beach, north of the Batangan Peninsula, and push south, while Bodley's helilifted Marines would set up blocking positions 4,000 meters inland. Muir's battalion would remain at sea as a floating reserve. Participating Vietnamese battalions, the 2d Battalion, 4th ARVN Regiment and 3d Vietnamese Marine Battalion, would be moved by helicopter into the region south of Bodley's position. There the South Vietnamese would conduct a search and clear mission on the An Ky Peninsula which was separated from Batangan by the Sa Ky River.

On 6 September, Captain McKinney's task group, consisting of the attack transport Bayfield, two dock landing ships, Belle Grove and Cabildo, and three tank landing ships, sailed for the amphibious objective area. They arrived early the following morning and were joined by the naval gunfire ships, the cruiser Oklahoma City (CLG 5), and two


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* Colonel Wyckoff, the 3d Marine Division G-3 at the time, recalled that following STARLITE, he worked closely with Major Charles T. Williamson, the Division G-2, to locate the 1st VC Regiment: 'The Division G-2 staff sought for indicators in two general areas: the eastern edge of the mountains coming down toward Chu Lai and the cave-dotted Batangan Peninsula. In the latter they found a 'V' of older field fortifications pointing inland with its open end toward the sea. Kept under visual and photographic surveillance, a second 'V of new positions, inland of the older ones showed under development. A series of transparent overlays was made up, showing the progression of activity over several days. General Walt concurred in the analysis and a staff team was flown down to Saigon to brief General Westmoreland, using the same set of maps and overlays.' Col Don P. Wyckoff, Comments on draft MS, dtd 160ct76 (Vietnam Comment Pile).


We land on thier soil and they refuse to fight....

recap: The Marines land on thier soil (not them coming to us)....thier women come to us...we make litle yella babies and 20 years later Oliver stone makes movies about it...

- we have to play by the geeva conention's rules.....they don't.....

- we go to thier country and ****! and pilege.....not the other way around.

- any way you guage a fight...we win.


- afhgani?....Mossad...Germany nearly wiped out most of thier people....If not for Marines

The San Bernadino National Guard could invade Isreal and take over te Institute of Isreal safety or whatever it is......


No other Militry group could land on the beach and take over Like the Marines.....once again...we invade thier country and wrek shop.

not the other way around.

[KevinNYC]

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[Joshumitsu]

This new group of swiftboaters just happens to share office space with two Republican consulting firms.

The military is largely Republican conservative (about 49% according to statistics from a liberal media newspaper) so it wouldn't surprise me if some group wants to launch an attack against a Democratic candidate using a household name like the SEALs.

That said, the problem isn't that SEAL Team Six's information is out there. It's that the Obama administration has been throwing SEAL Team Six out there as a public solution to every problem (Osama, Somali pirates, Hostage Rescue, etc). Most of these Spec Ops guys want to be left in the shadows and not be named. The Navy hasn't done a good job either as they have publicly used the SEALs in film/Tv/games as a recruiting tool.

[LuppersGB]

Tier 3 is composed of SEALS, Army Special Forces (SF/Green Berets), Air Force Pararescue, and I believe Marine Spec Ops units. Again, they're elite but their missions (underwater demolition/naval type warfare which SEALs specialize in is kind of moot in Afghanistan). That said, they are more than capable of handling missions in Afghanistan/Iraq. It's just that they're not as prioritized and have been moved from Tier 2 to Tier 3. Though, Special Forces/Green Berets' missions actually fit the profile of Afghanistan/Iraq more-so than any other group. They're trained in counterinsurgency, force multiplying (building an army of rebels), unconventional warfare, and are culturally sensitive to the indigenous population. From what I understand, they're being misused in Afghanistan. Why we didn't just rely on Army SF/Green Berets for Afghanistan rather than deploy thousands of troops and throwing away billions of dollars, I don't know.
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General consensus in Counter-Insurgency doctrine is; in order to win you need a 9:1 ratio of troops on the ground in your favour. To win in Afghanistan, if anything, more troops are required:(

[KevinNYC]

That said, the problem isn't that SEAL Team Six's information is out there. It's that the Obama administration has been throwing SEAL Team Six out there as a public solution to every problem (Osama, Somali pirates, Hostage Rescue, etc). Most of these Spec Ops guys want to be left in the shadows and not be named. The Navy hasn't done a good job either as they have publicly used the SEALs in film/Tv/games as a recruiting tool.

It seems to me that the missions you mentioned are appropriate uses of them and I'm not aware of any time an active duty SEAL has been named.

[Godzuki]

General consensus in Counter-Insurgency doctrine is; in order to win you need a 9:1 ratio of troops on the ground in your favour. To win in Afghanistan, if anything, more troops are required:(


i think thats only if you're already occupying which we obviously are if we're talking Afghanistan. maybe we had to in order to wrest control from the Taliban but it could probably be argued we could've just conducted a drone and covert special ops there without the casualties and similar effectiveness.

[Godzuki]

It seems to me that the missions you mentioned are appropriate uses of them and I'm not aware of any time an active duty SEAL has been named.


from what i understood i think their main problem was the tv special on taking out Osama. It was very specific about almost everything in terms of that operation and it was done by someone who had access to government officials and the info regarding the Seal team. It also heaped a ton of praise on to Obama from the other government officials, especially i think the CIA chief, where they gave him all of the credit in the world for killing Osama because he made the call to go in from the intel they got where they thought they knew where Osama was. So i can see how the Seal team felt slighted, on top of how they operate being exposed and then pissed. It was a great tv special tho.

i think it also got that doctor arrested who helped the U.S. since i think that came on the heels of the special....

[Joshumitsu]

It seems to me that the missions you mentioned are appropriate uses of them and I'm not aware of any time an active duty SEAL has been named.

Yes, their missions are appropriate. SEALs have no problem with doing these missions. It's just the public solution part...which I meant in terms of public credibility. The SEALs don't want to be named as a unit. What I mean by that is that they want to be kept "top secret" and not as a unit that the government or media can use/visit/exploit for their own gains (such as w/ Stars Earn Stripes). Individual names are irrelevant.

Another concern is that if there is too much public credentialing of the SEALs, enemies such as terrorists or pirates will start wising up to SEAL attacks.

Here's an article from the same website I listed slightly regarding the topic of SEALs and politicians.

http://sofrep.com/10565/are-navy-seals-becoming-political-pawns-opsec/

[KevinNYC]

from what i understood i think their main problem was the tv special on taking out Osama. It was very specific about almost everything in terms of that operation and it was done by someone who had access to government officials and the info regarding the Seal team. It also heaped a ton of praise on to Obama from the other government officials, especially i think the CIA chief, where they gave him all of the credit in the world for killing Osama because he made the call to go in from the intel they got where they thought they knew where Osama was. So i can see how the Seal team felt slighted, on top of how they operate being exposed and then pissed. It was a great tv special tho.

i think it also got that doctor arrested who helped the U.S. since i think that came on the heels of the special....

Even if they are upset about the TV show they still can't lie about what they are saying.

They claim that publicizing the name of Seal Team Six put people in danger when Seal Team Six has been on Wikipedia for years and stuff like this movie existed before Obama was in office. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsrUkX7xXaU) As Bergen points out, STS was one two possible teams we would have used and STS was the team known to be operating in that area.

They claim Obama wanted to capitalize politically on Osama's death before the intelligence haul from the raid could be exploited. The truth is Obama went public because Pakistan said they would be announcing the raid because too many Pakistanis were asking questions and there could have been riots in the streets. The idea that this was going to kept quiet is ludicrous. A Pakistani citizen was Tweeting about the operation while it was still going on. Also we didn't kill everyone in the compound we left people alive. They don't know how to operate a phone?


They claim Obama leaked the existence of stealth helicopters used on the raid. Um, one those helicopters crashed and was left at the scene. (https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/1394b6fc3d68e9b1)

When did that TV special come out? if you're talking about the National Geographic special, that came out in September and
the doctor was already in custody. He was arrested by Pakistan (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna) in July, less than a month after the raid. Peter Bergen thinks Pakistani intelligence leaked that article because they were furious that the US did not tell them

[28renyoy]

I thought it was universally recognized that the British SAS was the top military force in the world

[magictricked]

being the Military geek that I am:D the CIA is a 'civilian' organisation and as such "does not take part in military operations" :pimp:
But the Special Activities Division take as you said the cream of the crop
Aha Ok I stand corrected

[Timmy D for MVP]

The 501st.

[LuppersGB]

I thought it was universally recognized that the British SAS was the top military force in the world

It is, it came first and still provides the foundation of all other SF units worldwide. Though I think op was only talking about the USandA

[LuppersGB]

Aha Ok I stand corrected
I hope you read into the italics and very much implied inverted commas

[po3try]

Delta Force

[Musty-Elbow]

lil b taskforce

[po3try]

http://bmfcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/deltaforce.jpg

[po3try]

Ninjas from the Oda Nobunga era

Minamoto Samurai clan from the Heian and Kamakura Era >>>

Hattori Hanzo and his Samurais & Ninjas from the Sengoku Era >>>

[rufuspaul]

The Unsullied.

[KevinNYC]

Yes, their missions are appropriate. SEALs have no problem with doing these missions. It's just the public solution part...which I meant in terms of public credibility. The SEALs don't want to be named as a unit. What I mean by that is that they want to be kept "top secret" and not as a unit that the government or media can use/visit/exploit for their own gains (such as w/ Stars Earn Stripes). Individual names are irrelevant.

Another concern is that if there is too much public credentialing of the SEALs, enemies such as terrorists or pirates will start wising up to SEAL attacks.

Here's an article from the same website I listed slightly regarding the topic of SEALs and politicians.

http://sofrep.com/10565/are-navy-seals-becoming-political-pawns-opsec/

That link doesn't seem to support what you are saying. Perhaps, you put in the wrong URL? In the link you posted, the author explicitly talks about the misuse of the SEALS in a political manner, he's not saying the existence of Seal Team Six or DEVGURU needs to be top secret. In fact, the author of that link wrote a book on his days as a SEAL
http://www.brandontylerwebb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/front-cover-only-672x1024.jpg

and he goes on to say

"What personally bothers these days is how certain media outlets, in the U.S. and abroad, are attempting to piggyback on the popularity of Navy SEALs, and trying to use SEALs as pawns in an effort to paint a false portrait depicting US Navy SEALs as not supporting Obama.

The post seems to be against the same political group I mentioned and the media outlets that promote them. Specifically, this article in a British tabloid. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137636/Osama-bin-Laden-death-SEALs-slam-Obama-using-ammunition-bid-credit.html)

[KevinNYC]

Also a member of the Bin Laden raid who is now retired has written a book about the raid. (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/navy-seals-book-will-describe-raid-that-killed-bin-laden/) It's coming out in September and is written under a pseudonym.
He was on the helicopter that crashed


A detailed first-person account of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, written by a member of the Navy SEALs who participated in the mission and was present at Bin Laden’s death, will be released next month, the publisher said on Wednesday.

A closely held secret within Penguin, the publishing house that is planning to release it on Sept. 11, the book promises to be one of the biggest titles of the year, with the potential to rattle the presidential campaign in the final weeks before the Nov. 6 election.

Titled “No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission That Killed Osama bin Laden,” the book was written by a member of the SEALs who is using the pseudonym Mark Owen. Dutton, the imprint of Penguin that acquired the book, said he used a pen name and changed the names of other SEAL members for security reasons.


The author, a former member of SEAL Team 6, was a leader in the operation that resulted in the death of Bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan, on May 2, 2011. According to a description of the book provided by the publisher, the author gives a “blow-by-blow narrative of the assault, beginning with the helicopter crash that could have ended Owen’s life straight through to the radio call confirming Bin Laden’s death.” It describes the book as “an essential piece of modern history.”.....


“No Easy Day” joins a crop of books by other former members of the Navy SEALs who have turned their experiences into literary drama and landed coveted spots on best-seller lists. Last year, Chuck Pfarrer, a former SEAL commander, wrote “SEAL Target Geronimo,” an account of the Bin Laden raid based on interviews with members of the Navy SEALs.

[KevinNYC]

There's an excerpt from his book in Maxim. (http://www.maxim.com/military/inside-the-navy-seals-hunt-al-qaeda) It includes this gem for the "9/11 was an Inside Job Crowd."

[QUOTE]Those first few hours going deep into the caves and tunnels were intense. We had no idea what we’d find in there. Fortunately we did not encounter a single person—but we were stunned at how much we found in the way of mat

[Joshumitsu]

That link doesn't seem to support what you are saying. Perhaps, you put in the wrong URL?
[/URL]

Well, the article was meant to deviate from the "Conservative approach" of one group of SEALS by showing a different perspective. Sorry if I didn't make that clear, but I'm just trying to point out the diversity of opinions/different perspectives within the SEAL community (and generally, the rest of the military) and the different conclusions they draw from them. Some actually do feel slighted by the Obama adminstration. Others don't think it's that much of an issue. Like Webb, most don't want to be used as political instruments, except different SEALs draw different conclusions from that same belief....which, then, may or may not get used for political gains depending on who they vote/work for this November.

[Godzuki]

Navy SEAL to release book on Osama raid now

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/us/navy-seal-book-bin-laden/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


really hope its not one of the SEALS that were criticizing Obama either...

[Timmy D for MVP]

The MIB.

They take the best of the best of the best. Sir!

Although they technically aren't a military force. They straight don't exist, no names and no fingerprints.

[po3try]

http://www.movie-vault.com/ckeditor/images/userfiles/images/1987_predator_001.jpg

Who else could assault close combat a Predator?

[johndeeregreen]

vietcongs+afghani terrorists have kicked the marines ass.
Not to editorialize either way, but that's patently false. The fact that the VC didn't even exist in any sort of meaningful capacity after January 1969 would be the biggest reason for that. You can look up for yourself why that was, but I'll give you a hint, it wasn't because they were kicking Marine ass.

[KevinNYC]

There's a new group trying to "swiftboat" Obama ......

This new group of swiftboaters just happens to share office space with two Republican consulting firms.


The political motivations of these swiftboaters (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/08/obamas-navy-seal-foes-are-falling-apart/56067/) are coming out.


They were the Republicans' best chance at swift-boating President Obama, but they're unraveling at the seams. The four-month assault by former Navy SEALs and Special Forces operatives against President Obama's handling of the Osama bin Laden raid had the potential to discredit the president's signature foreign policy achievement, but the veterans' partisan excesses and absurd public remarks are turning them into a laughingstock within the special forces community....
The fall from grace began with Larry Bailey, a retired 27-year veteran of the Navy SEALs who founded the anti-Obama political group Special Operations Speaks. Bailey's military career placed him in a unique position to attack the president, but it didn't take him very long to get off message, as Foreign Policy's Josh Rogin found out. "I have to admit that I'm a Birther," Bailey told Rogin. "If there were a jury of 12 good men and women and the evidence were placed before them, there would be absolutely no question Barack Obama was not born where he said he was and is not who he says he is." In the interview, he also said Obama was a socialist who was raised by communists

.......Then came former Navy SEAL Ben Smith, a spokesman for the OPSEC Education Fund, which has taken out ads and a 22-minute film to attack the president. Smith rather likes posting remarks on his Facebook page calling the president inflammatory nicknames like "Heir Communist-in-Chief Hussein Mao-bama."

This Ben Smith guy is quite a piece of work. Somebody put a web page with all his crazy Facebook postings. He also served as bodyguard for right-wing agit-prop fan Andrew Breitbart and the spokesman for the Tea Party express.

http://www.whoisformernavysealbenjaminsmith.com/

If you check that link, you can see him entertaining several conspiracy theories including the idea that Obama Administration poisoned Andrew Breitbart. He also seems to be a big, big fan of Glenn Beck.

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