#6 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Larry Bird was voted the #5 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

24.3 PPG | 10 RPG | 6.3 APG

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[sagr32]

Wilt

[riseagainst]

wilt

[AK47DR91]

Shaquille O'Neal

[NOHCP3]

Wilt

[eurobum]

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[BuffaloBill]

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[Freedom Kid7]

Can't wait for the Wilt supporters to say this thing is rigged

Wilt

[Rowe]

Shaq.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Just to be clear guys, there is one rule and that is that you need 100 posts to vote. We have agreed to that before I made this thread.

[Harison]

No Wilt yet? :no:

Wilt Chamerlain won a staring contest with the Sun and Ray Charles - at the same time. :D

[SpecialQue]

Wilt.

[Sarcastic]

Wilt.

[krazymofo]

Shaq

[hangintheair]

Big Dipper

[alenleomessi]

Shaq

[TerranOP]

Wilt.

[jalbert009]

Wilt

[Deuce Bigalow]

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SHAQ
4 Titles
3 Finals MVPs
MVP
15 All-Star teams
14 All-NBA Teams
6th All-Time in scoring
4th All-Time in Playoff scoring

00 Playoffs: 31-15-3
00 Finals: 38-17-2 (FMVP)
01 Playoffs: 30-15-3
01 Finals: 33-16-5 (FMVP)
02 Playoffs: 29-13-3
02 Finals: 36-12-4 (FMVP)

[JMT]

Wilt.

[thelucifer69]

Shaq

[SuperPippen]

Wilt

[Whoah10115]

Wilt.



Shaq? Ahh, come on.

[Shade8780]

Wilt, damn, he should be 3 :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt.



Shaq? Ahh, come on.
What's wrong with Shaq?

Titles? Shaq 4, Wilt 2
Finals MVPs? Shaq 3, Wilt 2
MVPs? Shaq 1, WIlt 4
All-Star Teams? Shaq 15, Wilt 13
All-NBA Teams? Shaq 14, Wilt 10

[IGotACoolStory]

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[arifgokcen]

wilt

[Horatio33]

Tim Duncan.

[tmacattack33]

I can't vote here. I never saw more than 2 continuous minutes of a Wilt Chamberlain game.

[coin24]

Shaq:cheers:


Shaq>wilt..

[Horde of Temujin]

Hakeem

[BrickingStar]

Wilt. not even close

[mongePR(kb24)]

Wilt Ch.

[JuicyJay78]

Wilt

[jongib369]

Wilt Chamberlain! BTW

Happy Birthday Wilt!

:cheers:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

wilt

[crisoner]

http://juniordsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/wilt-chamberlain-Conan.jpg

WILT!!!

[StateOfMind12]

Same vote as last time, Mr. 20,000

Wilt Chamberlain

[BoutPractice]

At some point you have to acknowledge the existence of the guy who holds all the records for the sport you're supposed to be a fan of. Wilt.

[Yung D-Will]

Wilt should have been at the very least voted 3.

So Wilt.

[EnoughSaid]

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:bowdown:

[Hands of Iron]

I'll go with the most dominant.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'll go with the most dominant.
Shaq?

[fsvr54]

Wilt

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt Chamberlain! BTW

Happy Birthday Wilt!

:cheers:
:applause:

Jlauber Chamberlain is visiting his grave today in honor of his father.

[HardwoodLegend]

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This mothaf*ckin dude did the Triple Doodle Jump in a newsboy hat, and he can't even get a Top 5 spot on his birthday?

Mannn, that's messed up. :durantunimpressed:

[pauk]

lmfao... lets just throw Wilt out of Top 10 shall we? :oldlol:


My vote: Wilt Chamberlain

[KG215]

I've seen other "all-time" lists with Wilt as low as 6th. Don't know why some think this is some huge travesty. Of course if it was Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bird, or Russell being voted here, there'd still be people complaining.
I think there's cases to be made for all 6 of these guys for not only a top 3-5 spot, but possibly the #1 spot.

Anyway, my vote is Wilt.

[StateOfMind12]

I've seen other "all-time" lists with Wilt as low as 6th.
You have seen nothing cause I've seen him outside of the top 10.

[TheeBeast]

Wilt

[jongib369]

You have seen nothing cause I've seen him outside of the top 10.
I have a hard time ranking Wilt #1 over Jordan but from what I've seen/read about what hes done to his piers including kareem etc etc easily make him an arguable number 1 2 or 3...of course I'm biased towards my own opinion but I almost think its foolish to rank him any lower then 3 or 4...But people are entitled to think what they want... but the people who rank Kobe over wilt deserve a :facepalm...IMO :D :banana:

[quick96]

What a joke of a list!

Why the heck is Michael "90's cupcake" Jordan doing at number 1?

My list...

1) Wilt Chamberlain
2) Kareem Abdul Jabar
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Bill Russel
5) Magic Johnson
6) Oscar Robertson
7) Larry Bird
8) Tim Duncan
9) Snack O'neil
10)Jerry West

11)Michael "shirley temple" Jordan

[fsvr54]

What a joke of a list!

Why the heck is Michael "90's cupcake" Jordan doing at number 1?

My list...

1) Wilt Chamberlain
2) Kareem Abdul Jabar
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Bill Russel
5) Magic Johnson
6) Oscar Robertson
7) Larry Bird
8) Tim Duncan
9) Snack O'neil
10)Jerry West

11)Michael "shirley temple" Jordan


LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[Nevaeh]

Wilt.

Shaq did his thing, but if Wilt were in the modern era doing what he did, he'd be banned from the league.
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Shaq's got #7 locked down though.

[millwad]

Shaq.

[BlackVVaves]

Wilt.

Not sure why it's a travesty that he's #6. Unless he's your clearcut GOAT, #2-6 is very interchangeable. It all depends on your criteria of a great player.

I look at individual dominance, but equally regard how that individual's play factored into the dynamics of the team. Part (but not all) of that assessment can be tallied through team wins, playoff record, championships, ect.

Tis why my personal Top 5 looks like this:

MJ
Russel
Magic/Kareem
Kareem/Magic
Bird

Not to say Wilt doesn't deserve to be up there. I've personally only researched enough old games, articles, and statistics to get an outline of the great player he was, so who am I to say he wasn't a Top 5 player? What I do know though, is that the 5 players listed above were great enough in their own right to be considered the Top 5 greatest, ever.

[Suckafree]

Shaq

[YAWN]

Wilt

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Give me Shaq. Wilt's playoff success or lack there of really makes it hard for me to rank him #6. I would feel like a hypocrite placing him behind Bird/Magic but above O'neal.

Shaq's postseason and Finals play were both considerably better. His competition at center was too.

[G-train]

Wilt

[raprap]

My nikka Wilt should have been #5



:coleman:


Any ways, my vote goes to Wilt Chamberlain

:applause:

[TheBigVeto]

Tim Duncan

[colts19]

Wilt

[AlphaWolf24]

These people ranking Wilt and Bird:facepalm

I know darn well 99% of the people never even watched em' play ..

I already know what's coming:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Hands of Iron, do you vote Wilt or Shaq? (Some can say both are the most dominant)

[Psileas]

Wilt.

Not sure why it's a travesty that he's #6. Unless he's your clearcut GOAT, #2-6 is very interchangeable. It all depends on your criteria of a great player.

I look at individual dominance, but equally regard how that individual's play factored into the dynamics of the team. Part (but not all) of that assessment can be tallied through team wins, playoff record, championships, ect.

Tis why my personal Top 5 looks like this:

MJ
Russel
Magic/Kareem
Kareem/Magic
Bird

Not to say Wilt doesn't deserve to be up there. I've personally only researched enough old games, articles, and statistics to get an outline of the great player he was, so who am I to say he wasn't a Top 5 player? What I do know though, is that the 5 players listed above were great enough in their own right to be considered the Top 5 greatest, ever.

Unless Jordan is your (or anyone's) clear-cut #1 (which he isn't to many, since, even if they have him at #1, they admit it's arguable), he's subject to the same rule. Which means that a few others have a case to be above him. Now, rank all other GOAT candidates above Jordan and you'll get billed a hater.
Some hold Wilt in the same esteem as most fans do Jordan, so for them, having Wilt at #6 (or, even worse, not calling him a GOAT candidate) is a disgrace. And, honestly, I can't say I blame them.

[Colbertnation64]

At some point you have to acknowledge the existence of the guy who holds all the records for the sport you're supposed to be a fan of. Wilt.
Pretty much, he should be top 3 but I can see Magic being ahead. But Larry Bird? let's be reality

[no pun intended]

wilt...

[Clifton]

Wilt should take this one in a landslide.

Right?

Who else could it be? I guess Shaq... but when you consider how hard a time Shaq always had staying on the floor, be it injuries, fatigue, weight, fouls, whatever, while Wilt was famous for playing every minute of a game, and considering Shaq's prime was much shorter, you have to give it to Wilt I should think.

After Wilt it should be Shaq. Then it gets interesting... because names like Kobe and Duncan and Lebron will start to come up, alongside names like Hakeem Olajuwon and Oscar Robinson.

[Clifton]

Pretty much, he should be top 3 but I can see Magic being ahead. But Larry Bird? let's be reality
Nobody's ever been able to explain to me what makes Magic obviously better than Bird.

[Vertical-24]

Wilt "I F#cked Your B!tch and Your B!tch's B!tch at the same damn time" Chamberlain

[AlonzoGOAT]

Nobody's ever been able to explain to me what makes Magic obviously better than Bird.
This is ISH not the real world


Anyway Wilt is my vote and it's going to be a landslide in this thread so get ready to make the next one op

[Zedja]

Wilt

[RRR3]

Wilt

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt
Am I rigging this whole thing RRR3?

[raid09]

Chamberlain.

[L.Kizzle]

Lol, should be Wilt ... should have been Wilt.

[NumberSix]

#6

[Deuce Bigalow]

#6
6. Is that your IQ score?

[Deuce Bigalow]

#6 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

43- Wilt Chamberlain
12- Shaquille O'Neal
3- Tim Duncan
2- Hakeem Olajuwon

This one isn't even close.

[TheBigVeto]

Wilt Chokedagain won this one!

[KingBeasley08]

Wilt shoulda been 2/3 but 6 isn't that bad. 2-6 are pretty much interchangeable

[jlauber]

Unless Jordan is your (or anyone's) clear-cut #1 (which he isn't to many, since, even if they have him at #1, they admit it's arguable), he's subject to the same rule. Which means that a few others have a case to be above him. Now, rank all other GOAT candidates above Jordan and you'll get billed a hater.
Some hold Wilt in the same esteem as most fans do Jordan, so for them, having Wilt at #6 (or, even worse, not calling him a GOAT candidate) is a disgrace. And, honestly, I can't say I blame them.

In their 143 career H2H games, Chamberlain DOUBLED Russell in scoring, outrebounded him by FIVE per game, and outshot him by somewhere along the margin of .500 to .400 (in league's that shot about .430 on average in those ten seasons.) Furthermore, while Russell's TEAM's went 7-1 in H2H playoff series, Wilt, outgunned in HOF teammates EVERY season, and some by margins of 5-1, 6-2, 7-2, 7-1, and even 8-0, came within NINE points, in FOUR game seven's (by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points) in beating him 5-3 in those eight playoff series.

Find another center, who ever took a 40-40 team, and up against a 62-18 team, to a game seven, one point loss...and in a series in which he outscored his opposing center by a 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg margin; outrebounded him by a 31.4 rpg to 25.2 rpg margin; outshot him from the field by a .555 to .447 margin; and even outshot him from the line by a .583 to .472 margin (and outscored him from the line by a 49-18 margin), ...and be considered a "choking" "loser."

Find another center who outscored another HOF center in 133 of their 143 H2H battles, and a considerably number of those by 30+ points, who had 24 games of 40+, five of 50+, and even a 62-23 beatdown in one of them; and who would be ranked FOUR slots lower in some kind of ranking system.

A Wilt who outrebounded Russell by a 93-42-8 margin in those 143 H2H games, and many by HUGE margins. How many other all-time great players ever outrebounded the next best rebounding player of their era by a 55-19 marginin a single game? Or held a 7-1 H2H margin in 40+ rebound games? Or held a 23-4 margin in H2H 35+ rebound games? Or outrebounded that player in a playoff series by a margin of 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg? In fact, outrebounded him in ALL eight H2H playoff series (as well as outscoring him in all eight of them, and HEAVILY outshooting him?)

A Wilt, who in those 143 H2H games against Russell, nearly averaged a 30-30 .500 game EVERY time he stepped on the floor against him!

A Chamberlain who outshot Russell in EVERY H2H post-season series, and in the vast majority by staggering margins (like .517 to .386, .534 to .396, .555 to .447, and even .556 to .358.)

When Chamberlain finally has an equal supporting cast, and his TEAM annihilates Russell's, well, Russell was coaching. But, let's ignore the fact that Wilt routinely had lazy and incompetent coachs. He was told to do everything himself, and when he did, and his TEAM lost, well, obviously it was Wilt's fault. When he has a coach who tells Wilt to NOT shoot, and to let an a well past his prime Baylor shotjack his way to one of the worst post-seasons ever by an all-time great, well, how could Wilt let that happen (even though he outscored, outrebounded, and badly outshot Russell.)

As for Kareem, he played FOUR seasons IN the Chamberlain-era. Where were his 45 and 50 ppg seasons? Or his 26 and 27 rpg seasons? Or his .649, .683, and .727 FG% shooting seasons? Or his 7.8 and 8.6 apg seasons? Or his QUAD doubles? Or his 20+ blocks games? Or his 73 40-30 games? Or his 32 50-30 games? Or his 28 60-20 games? Or his 8 60-30 games? Or his 8 40-40 games? Or his 5 50-40 games?

Kareem faced MANY of the SAME centers that Wilt faced, and yet, how come Kareem couldn't average 40 ppg in nine H2H meetings in a season against Reed, including margins of 41-9, 52-23, and even 58-28?

Kareem faced a declining (but starting) Bellamy in some 25 H2H games, and his three highest games against him were games of 40, 39, and 35. Chamberlain had TWENTY STRAIGHT games against Bellamy in which he averaged 48 ppg, including FOUR of 60+, and a HIGH of 73.

A prime Kareem faced Thurmond in 43 career H2H starts. He had a TOTAL of SEVEN 30+ games against Thurmond, with a high of 34. A PRIME "scoring" Chamberlain battled Thurmond in 11 straight games from the end of '65, thru the first game of '67, and recorded SIX 30+ games (30, 33, 33, 34, 38, and 45 point games), and in those Chamberlain just clocked Nate by margins of 33-17, 33-10, 38-15, and even 45-13. Kareem also faced Thurmond in three straight playoff series, and shot .486, .428, and even .405 (in a series in which Nate outscored and outshot Kareem.) Wilt faced a Thurmond in three playoff series, and outshot him by margins of .500 to .392; .550 to .398; and .560 to .343 (in Nate's greatest season BTW.)

Chamberlain pounded Connie Dierking with a 60 point game in Wilt's 68-69 season. And, in his next season, 69-70, Wilt poured in a 43 point game against Dierking. Kareem came into the league that same season, and his career high game against Dierking was 41 points. (And to be honest, I suspect that a prime Chamberlain probably had multiple 50+ games against Dierking, as well.)

In that 68-69 season, Chamberlain abused Jim Fox with a 66 point game (on 29-35 shooting.) Kareem would face Fox in well over 30 career games, and his high game against him was 41 points.

And, where was Kareem's 100 point game against Imhoff (or even his 56 point game, which is what Wilt doused Imhoff with in the very next game...and Imhoff received a standing ovation for it)?

And while a prime Chamberlain had to battle the Celtic Dynasty all ten seasons of the 60's, routing them once, and narrowly being defeated in four game seven's...as well as going to three Finals in that span....a prime Kareem went to two Finals, and won one ring, in the weakest decade of NBA champions in NBA history. Kareem couldn't even get team's with the best record to the Finals, and lost in the first round with a 60-22 team. Meanwhile, players like Barry and Unseld were winning rings with 48-34 and 44-38 teams.


Bird is considered heroic in a Finals, in which his 62-20 Celtics struggle to beat a 40-42 Rockets team, and in a series in which Bird averages 15 ppg, 15 rpg, and shoots .419 (and is not even Boston's best player.) Meanwhile Chamberlain takes a 40-40 team to game seven, one point loss, against a 62-18 Celtic team, and in a series in which he puts up 30 ppg, 31 rpg, and shoots .555 ...and Wilt is labeled a "choker" by some posters here.

Bird wins ONE more ring, playing with HOF-laden rosters his ENTIRE career, than Chamberlain, who is not only saddled with clowns for nearly half of his, he also is battling the greatest dynasty in professional sports history at the same time.

Bird loses SEVEN times with HCA, and is AWFUL in a few of them. Wilt loses with HCA in a series in which he averaged 37 ppg and 23 rpg. How many playoff series did Chamberlain shoot as low as .351? And how many Finals did Bird shoot as high as .517, .525, .534, .560, .600, and .625?

Bird's supporting casts are so good that he can shoot .419 in a Finals (in a series in which he scored 15 ppg and got 15 rpg, and still win. Chamberlain's are so bad that his team loses in a seven game series in which Wilt shoots .625 (and scores 23.2 ppg with 24.1 rpg.)

Bird shoots 6-18 in his lone game seven of the Finals, but here again, his teammates are so good, they win that game. Wilt shoots 17-24 in his two game seven's in the Finals, and holds his opposing centers to 4-12 shooting in those two games (while outrebounding them, 51-24), but his teammates are so bad, that his team loses those two games.

Wilt does everything better than Bird in the post-season (and just blows him away in the regular season), and yet Bird is considered "clutch", and Wilt is a "stats-padding" "choker."

Yep. It all makes perfect sense...

[Ne 1]

Shaq

[lilgodfather1]

Wow what a broken list so far. Wilt not in the top 5, Magic not number 2 or 3...

[Deuce Bigalow]

You guys want to move on to the next one?

[longhornfan1234]

Wilt.

[BrickingStar]

You guys want to move on to the next one?
Yes it isn't even close what's holding you up?

[miles berg]

Wilt