#7 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt Chamberlain was voted the #6 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

30.1 PPG | 22.9 RPG | 4.4 APG

2

[TheeBeast]

I change my vote to Oscar Robinson

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RaOrchOImw8/TAUdmTz_vMI/AAAAAAAAjs4/6EA16ppN6zY/s1600/oscar+robinson.jpg

[L.Kizzle]

The Big Cactus

[Freedom Kid7]

The Big Cactus
Ain't it Shaqtus?
Needless to say, my vote is the same. It's close between him and Duncan, but Shaq's peak and dominance beats out the quality of Duncan's.

[TheBigVeto]

Steve Nash
The real GOAT PG.

[sagr32]

Shaq

[Horde of Temujin]

Hakeem. Best. Center. Ever.

[ganja0710]

tim duncan.

[DatAsh]

Hakeem

[BrickingStar]

Hakeem

[KG215]

Shaq

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Diesel.

[KOBE143]

Kobe

[DTreats]

Isaiah Thomas

[Fudge]

So far we've gotten votes for Isiah, Kobe, Erving, and Hakeem. :facepalm

They're great players, of course, but this has to either go to Shaq or Duncan. It's really a toss up between those two.

Put me down for Shaq though.

[EnoughSaid]

http://www.designanimated.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Comic_Shaq4.jpg

:bowdown:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The big Aristotle

[1987_Lakers]

Shaq

[BuffaloBill]

http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/sp/image/1340/72/1340728199249.jpg

[PJR]

Wilt Chamberneezy
The Big Aristotle
STEEL
"MDE" Most dominant ever
Superman
Diesel

[BlackVVaves]

This is where it gets tricky....

Measuring players, the next 3 slots would go: Shaq, Duncan, Kobe

Measuring careers, the next 3 slots would go: Duncan, Kobe, Shaq.

Hmm.

Observing the trend of this list, it seems career achievement and team success very narrowly trump individual prowess.

With that in mind, I give my vote to Duncan.

For all of Shaq's greatness, his success was supplemented by superior supporting casts to Duncan, Kobe, or Hakeem (whom I have as #10).

First Penny, then Kobe, then Wade. And, in the twilight of his career, Nash and Lebron.

So gotta give my vote to Duncan. Same number of rings, same number of FMVPs. But, Duncan quite frankly achieved his with less (and so did Hakeem and Kobe).

[Sarcastic]

Shaquille O'Neal.

[raid09]

Shaq

[christian1923]

Kobe

[SpecialQue]

Kobe.

[Dictator]

Wilt at 7..........fck this chit

Anyway either Shaq or Kobe. :coleman:

[IGotACoolStory]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2gx1fg4.jpg

[bballnoob1192]

kobe

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shaq

[scandisk_]

Schwakeel Owneel!

[Chamberlain]

shaq

[fsvr54]

Tim Duncan

How the **** is shaq top 10

[joeyjoejoe]

Shaq

[Deuce Bigalow]

Reporter: "Wilt Chamberlain was voted the 6th Greatest NBA player of all-time by InsideHoops, ahead of you. How do you feel about that?"

Shaq:
http://srejects.com/genius/LOL%20Shaq!.gif
"I'd drop 85 on him"

[PyrrhusX]

Duncan

[lilblingy]

shaq

[DTreats]

http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o614/tillyho12/a664467c.png

[Snoop_Cat]

Shaq

[RRR3]

Shaq

[SpecialQue]

Shaq never won shit without :kobe: and was a non-factor when he got his Heat title.

SHOTS FIRED.

[LikeABosh]

Shaq daddy

[rmt]

Duncan

[pauk]

Shaq

[RRR3]

Shaq never won shit without :kobe: and was a non-factor when he got his Heat title.

SHOTS FIRED.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2976/rudywhatever.png

[LikeABosh]

Shaq never won shit without :kobe: and was a non-factor when he got his Heat title.

SHOTS FIRED.
"non factor" :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SpecialQue]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2976/rudywhatever.png

http://i.imgur.com/gqNl3.png

[Hands of Iron]

The most dominant.

[RRR3]

http://i.imgur.com/gqNl3.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw652.pnghttp://i42.tinypic.com/wsw652.png

[hangintheair]

I vote for Kazaam!!

[Heavincent]

Shaq. He should have been #6, or maybe even 5.

Definitely voting for Kobe at #8 though.

[red1]

shaq

[Deuce Bigalow]

Stop replying to the older thread guys, you're confusing some of the posters and making them think were still on #5 or 6.

[Eric Cartman]

Shaq.

[JuicyJay78]

Shaq

[Ne 1]

Shaq

[KOBE143]

Stop replying to the older thread guys, you're confusing some of the posters and making them think were still on #5 or 6.
Its jlauber fault.. He's still replying to the older thread.. He still butthurt that Wilt only rank 6 here.. :lol

[FKAri]

Shaq

[1987_Lakers]

I can't believe this list 1-7 so far exactly matches my top 7.

[DirtySanchez]

I got Kobe here....IMO he has had a better career then Shaq Duncan and Hakeem

[Vertical-24]

Shaq

[CarlosBoozer]

The most unstoppable player to ever set foot in court.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/shaq%20dunk%20on%20tim%20duncan/NBA7902/ShaqdunkingonDuncan.jpg

[Asukal]

Shaq :cheers:

[miles berg]

Shaq

[Pushxx]

Shaq

[kennethgriffin]

what the f*ck is wrong with this forum

shaq and duncan over kobe bryant?

this forum is a big man loving sack of S***


kobe has

more rings

more all nba first teams

more defensive first teams

more stats

more skills

more records

more clutch shots

more 20,30,40,50,60,80 point games

its harder to achive success as a guard AND HE HAS MORE OF IT THAN BOTH GUYS

a longer prime

a longer peak

more fans

more impact on the game

more haters

its NOT EVEN CLOSE


kobe bryant won player of the decade for the 2000's by SI, sporting news and TNT


WHAT THE FFFFFFFFFFFFFF*CK

[Hands of Iron]

Shaq.

[Deuce Bigalow]

what the f*ck is wrong with this forum

shaq and duncan over kobe bryant?

this forum is a big man loving sack of S***
....Is that a vote for Kobe?

Your comment that you left me when you negged me didn't make any sense

i'm the best kobe fan here. **** off. kennethgriffin
:wtf:

[no pun intended]

This is when it gets tough. I reluctantly vote Shaq.

[Alan Ogg]

Timmaaay Duncan

[G-train]

shaq

[Hands of Iron]

I'm confident Bryant will make the Top 10.

:cheers:

[kennethgriffin]

I'm confident Bryant will make the Top 10.

:cheers:


only after every single big man that ever won a title makes it LOL

ISH = :roll:

[Heavincent]

only after every single big man that ever won a title makes it LOL

ISH = :roll:

I don't know dude, I think he'll get in at #8. Who cares though?

[kennethgriffin]

I don't know dude, I think he'll get in at #8. Who cares though?

me

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'm confident Bryant will make the Top 10.

:cheers:
He will. This is how he matches up with Bird.

Titles
Kobe: 5
Bird: 3

FMVPs
Kobe: 2
Bird: 2

MVPs
Bird: 3
Kobe: 1

All-NBA Teams
Kobe: 14
Bird: 10

All-Star Teams
Kobe: 14
Bird: 12

All-Defensive Teams
Kobe: 12
Bird: 3

[thelucifer69]

Shaq

[Kews1]

Duncan

[KOBE143]

what the f*ck is wrong with this forum

shaq and duncan over kobe bryant?

this forum is a big man loving sack of S***


kobe has

more rings

more all nba first teams

more defensive first teams

more stats

more skills

more records

more clutch shots

more 20,30,40,50,60,80 point games

its harder to achive success as a guard AND HE HAS MORE OF IT THAN BOTH GUYS

a longer prime

a longer peak

more fans

more impact on the game

more haters

its NOT EVEN CLOSE


kobe bryant won player of the decade for the 2000's by SI, sporting news and TNT


WHAT THE FFFFFFFFFFFFFF*CK
I feel your pain dude.. Kobe at worst is top 5 for me..

[KG215]

only after every single big man that ever won a title makes it LOL
ISH = :roll:

And two other guards and a SF. Kobe will make the top 10. Belive it or not, it's not some huge travesty he's not going to be voted in at #7.

[ThunderStruk022]

Duncan

[kennethgriffin]

And two other guards and a SF. Kobe will make the top 10. Belive it or not, it's not some huge travesty he's not going to be voted in at #7.
no... it is...

its like saying... its ok if wilt or bird is top 10

its not... and kobe is on their level

[Hands of Iron]

He will. This is how he matches up with Bird.

I think people consider a little more than accolades alone, but even considering only the accolades there's no doubt people are giving Kobe the 2-option treatment despite being Elite by 2000-01 for his first three titles, with the two more satisfying ones being 2009-2010. A lot of people place huge emphasis on the MVP's as well.

I think Kobe would've won titles regardless with a servicable cast, but his individual numbers wouldn't suffer as they do having played with Shaq from 1997-2004 and coming off the bench the first two seasons. A lot of potential 30+ ppg seasons down the drain.

[Suckafree]

Shaqovich

[KG215]

no... it is...

its like saying... its ok if wilt or bird is top 10

its not... and kobe is on their level

And, arguably, so are Shaq, Duncan, and even Hakeem. Don't throw your "resume" argument out at me, because at their peak those three were more dominant than Kobe at his peak; not by a wide margin or anything, I just happen to think their peak was better than Kobe's.

To me, you could vote any of Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, and Hakeem at #7 and I wouldn't have a problem with it; but you bitching about Kobe not being at #7 like it's some huge disservice does nothing but show your extreme Kobe bias.

[AlonzoGOAT]

I feel your pain dude.. Kobe at worst is top 5 for me..
You're 14 dumbass you haven't lived to see more then half of these players you dumb nikka stop talking like you have any credibility

[AK47DR91]

Shaq

[AlonzoGOAT]

Forgot to vote. I vote Shaq

[jalbert009]

Shaq

[Horatio33]

Tim Duncan.

Can't believe Shaq is top ten. Amazing peak. But could and should have been so much better.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tim Duncan.

Can't believe Shaq is top ten. Amazing peak. But could and should have been so much better.
Can't believe...as in he doesn't belong in the top 10?

[Hands of Iron]

Can't believe...as in he doesn't belong in the top 10?

Madness.

[KG215]

Tim Duncan.

Can't believe Shaq is top ten. Amazing peak. But could and should have been so much better.

Wait, so because he wasn't as good as you think he should've been, he doesn't deserve a top 10 ranking? What kind of logic is that?

[AK47DR91]

Let's be real. Shaq would have made Wilt and Russell his bitches if he played in their era or if they played in his.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Let's be real. Shaq would have made Wilt and Russell his bitches if he played in their era or if they played in his.
No doubt

[coin24]

Shaq:cheers:

He would destroy wilt..

[Deuce Bigalow]

#7 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

49- Shaquille O'Neal
10- Tim Duncan
9- Kobe Bryant
7- Hakeem Olajuwon
2- Oscar Robertson

[DTreats]

you can leave this up for twenty years and duncan ain't catchin shaq

f-ck tim duncan

[imnew09]

Kobe

[BlackVVaves]

Lmao @ KobeGriffin having a mental breakdown in this thread :roll: :roll: :roll:

Ah man. That was a great great laugh. Thanks Griffy. Stay thirsty my friend.

[Alan Ogg]

current results

41- Shaquille O'Neal
9- Tim Duncan
5- Kobe Bryant
3- Hakeem Olajuwon
1- Oscar Robertson

Should we move on since it's not even close, or let this be up for the night? What do you guys think?

First to 50 and move on.

[BoutPractice]

Duncan, even though it's probably too late now.

[Lebowski]

Shaq!

[Rolando]

Shaq

[kennethgriffin]

current results

41- Shaquille O'Neal
9- Tim Duncan
5- Kobe Bryant
3- Hakeem Olajuwon
1- Oscar Robertson

Should we move on since it's not even close, or let this be up for the night? What do you guys think?

:facepalm

this message board is full of fail


shaq without kobe in 11 years has zero accomplishments other than a gifted title with wade carrying him


kobe has a top 10 all time resume even if you cut out all the things he accomplished with shaq


shaq didnt figure out the game of basketball till 1999-2000

then he was overweight and nearly finished by 2004


kobes been elite top 3 from 2001 till 2012 and is still going strong



no way in HEEEEEEEEE*lllllllLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL is shaq above kobe all time

[kennethgriffin]

Shaq

moron

[scandisk_]

Let's be real. Shaq would have made Wilt and Russell his bitches if he played in their era or if they played in his.

BULLSH*T! Switch their situations and Russ and Wilt would shit on Shaq. If Shaq was born in the 30's dang he'll probably more like a poor man's Wilt. Can't bulldoze your way to the ring bitch :mad:

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe

[Rolando]

moron

Shaq carried Kobe.

Rating Kobe above Shaq doesn't make sense.

[kennethgriffin]

The Big Cactus
Kobe 5 rings > Shaq 4 rings

Shaq
Kobe 7 finals > Shaq 6 finals

Shaq
Kobe 81 points > Shaq 61 points

Diesel.
Kobe 25/5/5 > Shaq 23/11/2

The big Aristotle
Kobe 10 all nba first teams > Shaq 8 all nba first teams

Shaquille O'Neal.
Kobe 9 all nba defensive first teams > shaq 0 all nba defensive first teams

Shaq
Kobe (6) 60+ point games > Shaq (1) 60+ point games

Shaq
Kobe (26) 50+ point games > Shaq (3) 50+ point games

Schwakeel Owneel!
Kobe 5 months averaging 40+ppg > Shaq 0 months averaging 40+ppg

shaq
Kobe Player of the decade by Sporting news > Shaq not

Shaq
Kobe Player of the decade by Sports Illustrated > Shaq not

shaq
Kobe Player of the decade by TNT > Shaq not

Shaq
Kobe 5th all time in points > Shaq 6th all time in points

Shaq
Kobe 3rd all time in playoff scoring > Shaq 4th all time in playoff scoring

Shaq daddy
Kobe 2 championships without shaq > Shaq 1 championship without kobe

Shaq
Kobe 0 times kicked off a team > Shaq 5 times kicked off a team

I vote for Kazaam!!
Kobe 4 straight 50 point games > Shaq 0 consecutive 50 point games

Shaq. He should have been #6, or maybe even 5.
Definitely voting for Kobe at #8 though.
Kobe Bryant 62 points in 3 quarters > Shaqs career high of 61 in 4 qtrs

shaq
40 point games = Kobe > Shaq

Shaq
30 point games = Kobe > Shaq

Shaq
20 point games = Kobe > SHaq

Shaq
Seasons averaging more than 30ppg = Kobe > Shaq

Shaq
consecutive 30,35,40,45 point games = Kobe > Shaq

Shaq :cheers:
Championships without a legendary side kick = Kobe 2 > Shaq 0

Shaq
Consecutive Allstar starting appearances = Kobe > Shaq

Shaq
Olympic Gold medals = Kobe 2 > Shaq 1

Shaq.
Offensive skills = Kobe > Shaq

This is when it gets tough. I reluctantly vote Shaq.
Defensive skills = Kobe > Shaq

shaq
play making skills = Kobe > Shaq

Shaq
off hand skills = Kobe > Shaq

Shaqovich
Fundimentals = Kobe > Shaq

Forgot to vote. I vote Shaq
Longevity = Kobe > Shaq

Shaq
Work Ethic = Kobe > Shaq

Let's be real. Shaq would have made Wilt and Russell his bitches if he played in their era or if they played in his.
Conditioning = Kobe > Shaq


Shaq:cheers:

He would destroy wilt..
:facepalm


Shaq!

Kobe Bryant 42 game winning shots > Shaq .... not even 10


Dec 27, 1999: Los Angeles 108, Dallas 106
Description: Game Winning FTs with 8 seconds left.
May 09, 1999: Los Angeles 101, Houston 100
Playoffs: Game Winning FTs with 5 seconds left.
Nov 16, 2000: Los Angeles 112, Sacramento 110
Description: Tying 3-pointer for OT; Jumper over Vlade Divac with 24 seconds left.
May 10, 2000: Los Angeles 97, Phoenix 96
Playoffs: Jumper over Jason Kidd with 2 seconds left.
Jun 14, 2000: Los Angeles 120, Indiana 118
Playoffs: Overtime; Offensive Rebound, Layup with 5 seconds left.

Feb 07, 2001: Los Angeles 85, Phoenix 83
Description: Jumper over Shawn Marion with 2 seconds left.
Feb 13, 2001: Los Angeles 113, New Jersey 110
Description: Overtime; Layup over Kenyon Martin with 4 seconds left.
Jan 02, 2002: Los Angeles 87, Denver 86
Description: Offensive Rebound, Jumper with 55 seconds left.
Feb 22, 2002: Los Angeles 96, Charlotte 94
Description: Buzzer Beater; Jumper over George Lynch.
May 12, 2002: Los Angeles 87, San Antonio 85
Playoffs: Offensive Rebound, Layup over David Robinson with 5 seconds left.

Dec 06, 2002: Los Angeles 105, Dallas 103
Description: Jumper over Dirk Nowitzki with 8 seconds left.
Dec 22, 2002: Los Angeles 109, Toronto 107
Description: Overtime; Layup over Morris Peterson with 33 seconds left.
Apr 04, 2003: Los Angeles 102, Memphis 101
Description: Buzzer Beater; Jumper over Shane Battier.
Apr 06, 2003: Los Angeles 115, Phoenix 113
Description: Overtime; Tying Jumper over Joe Johnson for OT; Jumper over Shawn Marion with 28 left.
Dec 19, 2003: Los Angeles 101, Denver 99
Description: Buzzer Beater; Jumper over Jon Barry.

Feb 17, 2004: Los Angeles 89, Portland 86
Description: Layup with 32 seconds left; Free Throw with 7 seconds left.
Mar 03, 2004: Los Angeles 96, Houston 93
Description: Jumper over Yao Ming with 32 seconds left.
Mar 21, 2004: Los Angeles 104, Milwaukee 103
Description: Overtime; Jumper over Keith Van Horn with 25 seconds left.
Apr 14, 2004: Los Angeles 105, Portland 104
Description: Buzzer Beater; Tying 3-pointer over Ruben Patterson for OT; 3-pointer over Theo Ratliff.
Apr 25, 2004: Los Angeles 92, Houston 88
Playoffs: Layup over Jim Jackson with 40 seconds left.

Mar 12, 2005: Los Angeles 117, Charlotte 116
Description: Jumper over Keith Bogans with 1 second left.
Nov 02, 2005: Los Angeles 99, Denver 97
Description: Overtime; Jumper over Eduardo Najera with 1 second left.
Dec 04, 2005: Los Angeles 99, Charlotte 98
Description: Game Winning FTs with 7 seconds left.
Dec 12, 2005: Los Angeles 109, Dallas 106
Description: 3-pointer over Adrian Griffin with 35 seconds left.
Jan 07, 2006: Los Angeles 112, L.A. Clippers 109
Description: Layup over Elton Brand with 11 seconds left.

Jan 12, 2006: Los Angeles 99, Cleveland 98
Description: Jumper over Lebron James with 8 seconds left.
Apr 30, 2006: Los Angeles 99, Phoenix 98
Playoffs: Buzzer Beater; Tying Layup over Boris Diaw for OT; Jumper over Raja Bell and Boris Diaw.
Jan 14, 2008: Los Angeles 123, Seatle 121
Description: Overtime; Jumper over Jeff Green with 4 seconds left.
May 21, 2008: Los Angeles 89, San Antonio 85
Playoffs: Jumper over Bruce Bowen with 23 seconds left.
Jan 09, 2009: Los Angeles 121, Indiana 119
Description: Jumper over Jarrett Jack with 3 seconds left.

Jan 13, 2009: Los Angeles 105, Houston 100
Description: 3-pointer over Shane Battier with 27 seconds left.
Dec 04, 2009: Los Angeles 108, Miami 107
Description: Buzzer Beater; 3-pointer over Dwayne Wade.
Dec 16, 2009: Lakers 107 - Bucks 106
Description: Buzzer Beater; Overtime; Jumper over Charlie Bell.
Jan 01, 2010: Los Angeles 109, Sacramento 108
Description: Buzzer Beater; 3-pointer.
Jan 13, 2010: Los Angeles 100, Dallas 95
Description: Jumper over Josh Howard with 28 seconds left.

Jan 31, 2010: Los Angeles 90, Boston 89
Description: Jumper over Ray Allen with 7 seconds left.
Feb 23, 2010: Los Angeles 99, Memphis 98
Description: 3-pointer over Rudy Gay with 4 seconds left.
Mar 09, 2010: Los Angeles 109, Toronto 107
Description: Jumper over Antoine Wright with 1 seconds left.
Feb 12, 2012: Los Angeles 94, Toronto 92
Description: Jumper over James Johnson with 4 seconds left.
Mar 09, 2012: Los Angeles 105, Minnesota 102
Description: Game Winning FTs with 16 seconds left.

Mar 27, 2012: Los Angeles 104, Golden State 101
Description: Jumper over Brandon Rush with 32 seconds left.
Mar 31, 2012: Los Angeles 88, New Orleans 85
Description: 3-pointer over Jarrett Jack with 20 seconds left.





this message board needs to wake up.

[kNIOKAS]

this message board needs to wake up.
0.582
0.453

what does that give you

[kennethgriffin]

Shaq carried Kobe.

Rating Kobe above Shaq doesn't make sense.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV2P6P4p6Hg&feature=related#t=1m44s

[kennethgriffin]

0.582
0.453

what does that give you

so thats the end all be all... the 50 things i listed dont matter

so deandre jordan is now a top 10 player all time?

ofcourse a guy who shoots only layups and dunks will average a high %

:facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

heres the problem with shaq over kobe ( YOU HYPOCRITES )

you place him there over a criteria that shaqs more efficient and had a higher peak

if thats what we're looking at then why put the people you did ahead of him..

each vote the criteria for ranking changes.. everyone knows russell didnt have a peak like shaqs either... russell is ranked on career accomplishments... then when kobe is in the mix it becomes ( WHAT CAN WE MAKE IT ABOUT TO PUT SHAQ HIGHER THAN KOBE!!!! )


HYPOCRITES

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


if the factors used to put shaq over kobe were used for every other vote.. shaq would be top 3


DUMB F*********CKS

[Rolando]

Visual proof:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4920970629_7fb8758dbc.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

top 6 ( HEY LETS MAKE IT ABOUT CAREERS )

#7 ( FORGET CAREERS... ITS ABOUT PEAK PLAY )


LOL

[kennethgriffin]

Visual proof:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4920970629_7fb8758dbc.jpg


PEAK PLAY! PEAK PLAY! YAY

16 years DONT MATTER

its ALL ABOUT 2000-2002


well.... LETS RESTART THE ENTIRE 7 threads now!

we have to redo it and put in the shaq rule


SHAQ AND WILT GO #1 AND #2

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Rubio2Gasol]

Hakeem.

Shaq has never closed a game in his life lmao.Not even gonna bother arguing about Duncan, great player, respect him alot, but defensive and offensive skill levels just aren't comparable really.

Also even if Shaq carried Kobe, the point is he still had Kobe and Kobe was a top 5 arguably top 2 player in the league taking those years cumulatively.

Try having Vernon F***king Maxwell as your 2nd option on a thinner team than the Lakers had.

As I said, Haskeem should be top 5/

[kennethgriffin]

Blue = Matters

Red = Meaningless
















Kobe 7 finals > Shaq 6 finals

Kobe 81 points > Shaq 61 points

Kobe 25/5/5 > Shaq 23/11/2

Kobe 10 all nba first teams > Shaq 8 all nba first teams

Kobe 9 all nba defensive first teams > shaq 0 all nba defensive first teams

Kobe (6) 60+ point games > Shaq (1) 60+ point games

Kobe (26) 50+ point games > Shaq (3) 50+ point games

Kobe 5 months averaging 40+ppg > Shaq 0 months averaging 40+ppg

Kobe Player of the decade by Sporting news > Shaq not

Kobe Player of the decade by Sports Illustrated > Shaq not

Kobe Player of the decade by TNT > Shaq not

Kobe 5th all time in points > Shaq 6th all time in points

Kobe 3rd all time in playoff scoring > Shaq 4th all time in playoff scoring

Kobe 2 championships without shaq > Shaq 1 championship without kobe

Kobe 0 times kicked off a team > Shaq 5 times kicked off a team

Kobe 4 straight 50 point games > Shaq 0 consecutive 50 point games

Kobe Bryant 62 points in 3 quarters > Shaqs career high of 61 in 4 qtrs

40 point games = Kobe > Shaq

30 point games = Kobe > Shaq

20 point games = Kobe > SHaq

Seasons averaging more than 30ppg = Kobe > Shaq

consecutive 30,35,40,45 point games = Kobe > Shaq

Championships without a legendary side kick = Kobe 2 > Shaq 0

Consecutive Allstar starting appearances = Kobe > Shaq

Olympic Gold medals = Kobe 2 > Shaq 1

Offensive skills = Kobe > Shaq

Defensive skills = Kobe > Shaq

play making skills = Kobe > Shaq

off hand skills = Kobe > Shaq

Fundimentals = Kobe > Shaq

Longevity = Kobe > Shaq

Work Ethic = Kobe > Shaq

Conditioning = Kobe > Shaq


:facepalm



Kobe Bryant 42 game winning shots > Shaq .... not even 10


Dec 27, 1999: Los Angeles 108, Dallas 106
Description: Game Winning FTs with 8 seconds left.
May 09, 1999: Los Angeles 101, Houston 100
Playoffs: Game Winning FTs with 5 seconds left.
Nov 16, 2000: Los Angeles 112, Sacramento 110
Description: Tying 3-pointer for OT; Jumper over Vlade Divac with 24 seconds left.
May 10, 2000: Los Angeles 97, Phoenix 96
Playoffs: Jumper over Jason Kidd with 2 seconds left.
Jun 14, 2000: Los Angeles 120, Indiana 118
Playoffs: Overtime; Offensive Rebound, Layup with 5 seconds left.

Feb 07, 2001: Los Angeles 85, Phoenix 83
Description: Jumper over Shawn Marion with 2 seconds left.
Feb 13, 2001: Los Angeles 113, New Jersey 110
Description: Overtime; Layup over Kenyon Martin with 4 seconds left.
Jan 02, 2002: Los Angeles 87, Denver 86
Description: Offensive Rebound, Jumper with 55 seconds left.
Feb 22, 2002: Los Angeles 96, Charlotte 94
Description: Buzzer Beater; Jumper over George Lynch.
May 12, 2002: Los Angeles 87, San Antonio 85
Playoffs: Offensive Rebound, Layup over David Robinson with 5 seconds left.

Dec 06, 2002: Los Angeles 105, Dallas 103
Description: Jumper over Dirk Nowitzki with 8 seconds left.
Dec 22, 2002: Los Angeles 109, Toronto 107
Description: Overtime; Layup over Morris Peterson with 33 seconds left.
Apr 04, 2003: Los Angeles 102, Memphis 101
Description: Buzzer Beater; Jumper over Shane Battier.
Apr 06, 2003: Los Angeles 115, Phoenix 113
Description: Overtime; Tying Jumper over Joe Johnson for OT; Jumper over Shawn Marion with 28 left.
Dec 19, 2003: Los Angeles 101, Denver 99
Description: Buzzer Beater; Jumper over Jon Barry.

Feb 17, 2004: Los Angeles 89, Portland 86
Description: Layup with 32 seconds left; Free Throw with 7 seconds left.
Mar 03, 2004: Los Angeles 96, Houston 93
Description: Jumper over Yao Ming with 32 seconds left.
Mar 21, 2004: Los Angeles 104, Milwaukee 103
Description: Overtime; Jumper over Keith Van Horn with 25 seconds left.
Apr 14, 2004: Los Angeles 105, Portland 104
Description: Buzzer Beater; Tying 3-pointer over Ruben Patterson for OT; 3-pointer over Theo Ratliff.
Apr 25, 2004: Los Angeles 92, Houston 88
Playoffs: Layup over Jim Jackson with 40 seconds left.

Mar 12, 2005: Los Angeles 117, Charlotte 116
Description: Jumper over Keith Bogans with 1 second left.
Nov 02, 2005: Los Angeles 99, Denver 97
Description: Overtime; Jumper over Eduardo Najera with 1 second left.
Dec 04, 2005: Los Angeles 99, Charlotte 98
Description: Game Winning FTs with 7 seconds left.
Dec 12, 2005: Los Angeles 109, Dallas 106
Description: 3-pointer over Adrian Griffin with 35 seconds left.
Jan 07, 2006: Los Angeles 112, L.A. Clippers 109
Description: Layup over Elton Brand with 11 seconds left.

Jan 12, 2006: Los Angeles 99, Cleveland 98
Description: Jumper over Lebron James with 8 seconds left.
Apr 30, 2006: Los Angeles 99, Phoenix 98
Playoffs: Buzzer Beater; Tying Layup over Boris Diaw for OT; Jumper over Raja Bell and Boris Diaw.
Jan 14, 2008: Los Angeles 123, Seatle 121
Description: Overtime; Jumper over Jeff Green with 4 seconds left.
May 21, 2008: Los Angeles 89, San Antonio 85
Playoffs: Jumper over Bruce Bowen with 23 seconds left.
Jan 09, 2009: Los Angeles 121, Indiana 119
Description: Jumper over Jarrett Jack with 3 seconds left.

Jan 13, 2009: Los Angeles 105, Houston 100
Description: 3-pointer over Shane Battier with 27 seconds left.
Dec 04, 2009: Los Angeles 108, Miami 107
Description: Buzzer Beater; 3-pointer over Dwayne Wade.
Dec 16, 2009: Lakers 107 - Bucks 106
Description: Buzzer Beater; Overtime; Jumper over Charlie Bell.
Jan 01, 2010: Los Angeles 109, Sacramento 108
Description: Buzzer Beater; 3-pointer.
Jan 13, 2010: Los Angeles 100, Dallas 95
Description: Jumper over Josh Howard with 28 seconds left.

Jan 31, 2010: Los Angeles 90, Boston 89
Description: Jumper over Ray Allen with 7 seconds left.
Feb 23, 2010: Los Angeles 99, Memphis 98
Description: 3-pointer over Rudy Gay with 4 seconds left.
Mar 09, 2010: Los Angeles 109, Toronto 107
Description: Jumper over Antoine Wright with 1 seconds left.
Feb 12, 2012: Los Angeles 94, Toronto 92
Description: Jumper over James Johnson with 4 seconds left.
Mar 09, 2012: Los Angeles 105, Minnesota 102
Description: Game Winning FTs with 16 seconds left.

Mar 27, 2012: Los Angeles 104, Golden State 101
Description: Jumper over Brandon Rush with 32 seconds left.
Mar 31, 2012: Los Angeles 88, New Orleans 85
Description: 3-pointer over Jarrett Jack with 20 seconds left.









peak..........play

[Harison]

Hakeem, the best overall center ever, who won with the least help as well.

Top 10 career plays:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GCyU0sKxqI&feature=player_embedded

Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwons Greatest Hits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBrEsNS9zKg

[PyrrhusX]

Can I change my vote from Duncan to Shaq?
Kenneth showed me the error of my ways :bowdown:




:roll:

[DirtySanchez]

People don't like looking at the big picture. Career....look at what these players did in their entire careers.

For the longevity of Kobe's career he has been a top ten player in the NBA (not counting earlier seasons). That's about 14 to 13 years give or take.
Other players to match that...Kareem, Wilt, Russel...maybe Jordan would of but he kept retiring so who knows. Longevity is huge....that's being a gym rat playing 82 games plus deep playoff runs and Kobe has plenty of those more then a while lost of players. And he is still there right now after how many seasons. He probably got another two three years tops in him. It'd from hard work and changing certain aspects of his game.
When all is said an done Kobe will be top 5.

[Quickening]

Shaq

[swag2011]

Lol funny how people switch up the criteria when kobe's name gets involved. Hilarious i tell ya. If this was based solely on peak play, shaq shouldve been top 5. Im going with kobe based off longevity, career, and accolades

[Nevaeh]

no... it is...

its like saying... its ok if wilt or bird is top 10

its not... and kobe is on their level


Dude, Kobe's dumb ass B-ball IQ is what keeps him so low on most people's lists. No one in most peep's top 10 lists have a rep for making their own fans cringe at their decision making like Kobe does. Don't you get it? He's the "dumb one" out of the guys that are usually listed in these type of threads. And he's dumb by choice, which makes it especially bad.

[millwad]

Olajuwon.

[Yung D-Will]

Shaq.

[DirtySanchez]

Dude, Kobe's dumb ass B-ball IQ is what keeps him so low on most people's lists. No one in most peep's top 10 lists have a rep for making their own fans cringe at their decision making like Kobe does. Don't you get it? He's the "dumb one" out of the guys that are usually listed in these type of threads. And he's dumb by choice, which makes it especially bad.

Typical agenda response.

You do not win titles and experience all the accolades you have in your career with low IQ. You want to talk shot selection the man goes for shots no other player would take...but you know what he can make them. Kobe leaves games with no bullets in his chambers that's always been his game. He is the greatest individual scorer since MJ.

[Nevaeh]

Typical agenda response.

You do not win titles and experience all the accolades you have in your career with low IQ. You want to talk shot selection the man goes for shots no other player would take...but you know what he can make them. Kobe leaves games with no bullets in his chambers that's always been his game. He is the greatest individual scorer since MJ.

With 2 whole scoring titles in 16 years of play. Chucker? yes. Scorer? Only when rules were changed to allow it to happen.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

The fact that scoring is the only part of his game that gets talked about says it all.

[longtime lurker]

LOL only on insidehoops is Wilt Chamberlain not top 5 dead or alive. :oldlol: :oldlol: This board is something else

[Asukal]

LOL only on insidehoops is Wilt Chamberlain not top 5 dead or alive. :oldlol: :oldlol: This board is something else

Actually 1-6 is very close and interchangeable depending on what you value more. Each of those guys has a case to be number 1. So Wilt at 6 does not mean he is any less than the other 5. Just my 2 cents. :confusedshrug:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Magic Johnson in the top 5 is lolworthy.

Top 10 is debatable.

[Clutch]

Shaq

[BrickingStar]

Lmao kenneth is going insane just goes to show you when you think everything you believe is true and then it blows up when you find out what's reality. OP Shaq has won and it's not even close move on to number 8

[fpliii]

griff I love you man /no homo

but you gotta let it go...you're my boy and all but just chill out :facepalm

[RRR3]

LOLOLOLOLOL Griff is losing it:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[KOBE143]

LOL only on insidehoops is Wilt Chamberlain not top 5 dead or alive. :oldlol: :oldlol: This board is something else
Only in insidehoops where the GOAT Lakers is not even a top 5 player.. :facepalm

[RRR3]

Only in insidehoops where the GOAT Lakers is not even a top 5 player.. :facepalm
I agree that Wilt is top 5, but he's not the GOAT Laker, he didn't play for them long enough. Kareem, Magic, Kobe, West, Shaq all are probably better in terms of being Lakers

[fpliii]

Only in insidehoops where the GOAT Lakers is not even a top 5 player.. :facepalm

what's your top 10 all-time, and current top 5 in the NBA?

not trolling, just haven't seen many of your posts so I'm interested

[MasterDurant24]

Hakeem

[#number6ix#]

Shaq

[KOBE143]

what's your top 10 all-time, and current top 5 in the NBA?

not trolling, just haven't seen many of your posts so I'm interested
Not trolling

My top 10 all time
1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Magic
4. Russell
5. Kobe
6. Bird
7. Wilt
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. TD

Current Top 5
1. LBJ
2. KD
3. Kobe
4. Dwight
5. CP3

Kobe is the GOAT Lakers "Magic and West"
Kobe is top 5 "Charles Barkley"

So Kobe for me is the GOAT Lakers..

[KingBeasley08]

Shaq.

[KOBE143]

I agree that Wilt is top 5, but he's not the GOAT Laker, he didn't play for them long enough. Kareem, Magic, Kobe, West, Shaq all are probably better in terms of being Lakers
I'm not referring to Wilt as the GOAT Lakers you fool..

Magic and Kobe has a case but I go for Kobe coz Magic already admitted it..

[colts19]

Big O

[longtime lurker]

Actually 1-6 is very close and interchangeable depending on what you value more. Each of those guys has a case to be number 1. So Wilt at 6 does not mean he is any less than the other 5. Just my 2 cents. :confusedshrug:

Well if 1 to 6 is interchangeable then you might as well make 1-10 interchangeable because there's not a huge difference between 7-10(shaq, kobe, duncan,hakeem). But Wilt is a hell of a lot closer to 3 than he is to 7 that's why putting him at 6 is absurd.

[AlphaWolf24]

The Kobe slighting here is silly...

99% of the basketball community has Kobe Bryant>Shaq, Duncan....


oh yeah I forgot.....we are the elitists fans here:rolleyes:


Kobe...anyone saying different shouldn't even talk about basketball..

[fpliii]

The Kobe slighting here is silly...

99% of the basketball community has Kobe Bryant>Shaq, Duncan....


oh yeah I forgot.....we are the elitists fans here:rolleyes:


Kobe...anyone saying different shouldn't even talk about basketball..

hey, I haven't interacted with you on this board before...just wondering what your top 10 all-time and current top 5 in the NBA are (asked someone else above)?

I only rank retired players, but I'm trying to decide where to slot Kobe and Duncan (they'll both be in the top 10 obv, just not sure where)

[cBeck]

Shaq

[Mirko Cro Cop]

Shaq diesel

4 championships
3 finals MVP
1 reg season MVP

most dominant player in the history of the game at his peak :bowdown: :bowdown:

[BlackVVaves]

Not trolling

My top 10 all time
1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Magic
4. Russell
5. Kobe
6. Bird
7. Wilt
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. TD

Current Top 5
1. LBJ
2. KD
3. Kobe
4. Dwight
5. CP3

Kobe is the GOAT Lakers "Magic and West"
Kobe is top 5 "Charles Barkley"

So Kobe for me is the GOAT Lakers..

The fact that you have Kobe ranked as the third best player in the league right now tells me that you're not a rational fan at all, especially if you're "not trolling."

KobeGriffin had another meltdown? :roll: cotdamn, you're such a little kid. You're making it so easy for other posters to pick Shaq over Kobe, cause they are just doing it to make you even angrier you unstable adolescent :oldlol:

Looks like Kobe is going to end up 10 or 11, when he really should be 8 or 9.

Ah, typical ISH.

[Colbertnation64]

I'm not referring to Wilt as the GOAT Lakers you fool..

Magic and Kobe has a case but I go for Kobe coz Magic already admitted it..
No offense but your English seems off. Do you live in the USA? If not do you even watch the Lakers often enough to give a valid opinion?

[KG215]

I can't believe kennethgriffin stayed up that late to post all that shit last night, and thought he was going to change people's minds. :roll:

By the way Griff, I'm not changing my voting criteria. I never even said what my voting criteria was in the first place so you have no idea if I changed it or not.

[General]

Kobe Bryant

[General]

I'm surprised so many people here have lazy Shaq over Kobe:facepalm

[Yung D-Will]

I'm surprised so many people here have lazy Shaq over Kobe:facepalm
A player can be lazy all they want, as long as they dominate on the court at the level Shaq did.

[BrickingStar]

Kenneth has shown me the way. I change my pick from Shaq to Shaq the GAWD

[BrickingStar]

Duece shaq won by a landslide hurry and start # 8 to see another kenneth meltdown

[raptorfan_dr07]

:oldlol: at kennethgriffin(griffmoney). We had one of these top player rankings I think it was last summer(I forgot who started it). Kennethgriffin's meltdown is similar to Alphawolf's when Magic, Bird, Shaq, Timmy, and Hakeem all got voted in above Kobe. Kobe finished at number 10, where most sane, knowledgeable fans have him. Alphawolf was raging mad in those threads rambling about "elitist fans" and other BS. It was quite funny.

Newsflash, the majority of knowledge fans(retarded ESPN or TNT polls don't count) don't think as highly of Kobe the chucker as you dummies do.

[riseagainst]

No offense but your English seems off. Do you live in the USA? If not do you even watch the Lakers often enough to give a valid opinion?

what's wrong with his English?

[riseagainst]

:oldlol: at kennethgriffin(griffmoney). We had one of these top player rankings I think it was last summer(I forgot who started it). Kennethgriffin's meltdown is similar to Alphawolf's when Magic, Bird, Shaq, Timmy, and Hakeem all got voted in above Kobe. Kobe finished at number 10, where most sane, knowledgeable fans have him. Alphawolf was raging mad in those threads rambling about "elitist fans" and other BS. It was quite funny.

Newsflash, the majority of knowledge fans(retarded ESPN or TNT polls don't count) don't think as highly of Kobe the chucker as you dummies do.

chucked 81 points on your team. so mad. :lol

[riseagainst]

Lebron.
I think this is what all the morons want to see.

[lakers_forever]

Kobe (Duncan would be next).

[KyrieTheFuture]

Timothy D

[Duncan21formvp]

Tim Duncan

[Round Mound]

Shaq...Get Real...He Should be 4th after MJ, Wilt and Jabbar

[magnax1]

Shaq

[MiamiThrice]

Shaq