are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?

[kennethgriffin]

this is how the average debate with an ISH poster usually goes

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what makes shaq better than kobe for the 7th best player all time?


= "MOST DOMINANT EVER YO! NO ONE MATCHES HIS PEAK PLAY"


then why isnt he ranked #1 all time. whyd you rank jordan/wilt/bird/kareem/russell/magic ahead of him?

= "BECAUSE THEIR CAREERS ARE BETTER THAN SHAQS"


shaqs career is better than wilts


= "BECAUSE WILT IS THE MOST DOMINANT EVER!"


i thought shaq was the MDE?


= "HE IS!.... WHEN COMPARED TO KOBE HE IS!"


so what is it? careers or primes? is it MJ, Russell, Kareem #1,2,3 or is it Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem as the 1,2,3 best players ever. because you cant change the criteria based on how you want your favorite players to be ranked all time


= "WE DONT CHANGE!"



then you have to put kobe over wilt and shaq. because you put jordan, bird, magic, kareem, russell over wilt and shaq based on having better overall careers



= "SHAQ AND WILT WERE WAY MORE DOMINANT IN THEIR ABSOLUTE PRIME THOUGH!"


yea.... they were also way more dominant in their absolute prime than jordan, bird, kareem, russell, and magic

if there was an all time draft on primes...youd probably have shaq, wilt, hakeem, oscar all go with the first 4 picks


= "NO WAY! I'D PICK JORDAN OVER SHAQ AND WILT!


but i thought wilt and shaq were the MDE in their primes?


= "THEY ARE! IDIOT!"



:facepalm


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can the mods please shut down these player ranking threads. its obviously an agenda driven bias trolling thread to piss off us laker/kobe fans

[BrickingStar]

Can the mods please ban this f@got who has lost his mind


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr94/whokabowie/negged1.gif

[kennethgriffin]

Can the mods please ban this f@got who has lost his mind


you're mad you and your trolls got exposed

a bunch of idiots with multiple accounts trolling kobe fans... you got exposed last night and you look dumb today with this thread aswell because you see how much of fraud these voting polls are going

its just a massive troll on kobe fans

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe apostles are helpless. :oldlol:

[Colbertnation64]

I'd probably pick Shaq and Wilt then Jordan in an all time draft.

[BrickingStar]

you're mad you and your trolls got exposed

a bunch of idiots with multiple accounts trolling kobe fans... you got exposed last night and you look dumb today with this thread aswell because you see how much of fraud these voting polls are going

its just a massive troll on kobe fans
Since you've lost touch with reality with don't you stick with that idea and stop posting essays that no one is reading. You're clearly mad.

[Nevaeh]

Griff, this is ISH, where top 10 lists pretty much change every 6 months. After Lebron wins title 2 next year he'll be going into certain peep's top 10 lists as well.

It's like having a favorite movie. Certain people will tell you your favorite movie sucks, or is not that great sometimes. All that really matters though, is how you feel about the movie.

[AlonzoGOAT]

Griff, this is ISH, where top 10 lists pretty much change every 6 months. After Lebron wins title 2 next year he'll be going into certain peep's top 10 lists as well.

It's like having a favorite movie. Certain people will tell you your favorite movie sucks, or is not that great sometimes. All that really matters though, is how you feel about the movie.
AKA deluding himself this is hilarious :roll:

[BlackVVaves]

Only read the first two paragraphs, as you're a retard.

But, those paragraphs have somewhat of a point.

The same people who voted Bird over Wilt, go back and vote Shaq over Kobe.

Very strange indeed. Because, if the criteria one would have to use to justify Bird being a better player than Wilt was being used (3 rings > 2 rings, 2 FMVPs > 1 FMVP) than those same people would vote Kobe over Shaq (5 rings > 4 rings. 2 rings after they split > 1 ring after they split).

So yes, that's strange and unfortunate. Alot of those same people hate Kobe though, so not much of a surprise. And, when there are little 14 year old posters like yourself running around with Kobe's genitals in your mouth everytime you talk, it makes it that much easier for them to desire to discredit the man.

And by the way, regardless of the reasoning. I've seen you say Kobe is Top 5 All Time. There's no amount of rationale that can justify that. So, you're whining is almost obsolete.

[kennethgriffin]

I'd probably pick Shaq and Wilt then Jordan in an all time draft.


exactly... so why is it in these all time voting threads its just turning out to be one big troll on kobe and his fans?

mods need to delete all of these dumb threads. its causing problems because a few people and their multiple accounts are just changing criteria based on how they can get as many people ahead of kobe on the list just to piss his fans off


all the same people voted jordan, russell, magic, bird, kareem over wilt and shaq.


then the minute kobes next in line based on the career formula.... they all of a sudden change to "WE'RE VOTING ON PRIMES NOW. CAREERS DONT MATTER."


its creating drama and needless hatred


they should stick to their criteria


if they voted the entire thing based on the current critera... Shaq and Wilt would go #1 and #2


its basically become a favorite player thread

and making 5-6 favorite player troll threads a day is starting to p*ss me off. because theyre enviting kobe fans in just to troll us. its an agenda thread with a false title. should be deleted

[swag2011]

C'mon man you already know how it goes around here. Shaq is Mr Dominant of All time, then why isn't he top 5? Cause the guys above him have better careers. So you make a rational argument as to why Kobe has a better career than Shaq, but it doesn't count lol. Funny how that works huh?

Now i'm not saying i agree that kobe should be higher than him, but it's clear how many hypocrites are on ISH. At least be consistent with the stuff you say.

[BlackVVaves]

No KobeGriffey, you should be deleted :oldlol:

[Colbertnation64]

exactly... so why is it in these all time voting threads its just turning out to be one big troll on kobe and his fans?

mods need to delete all of these dumb threads. its causing problems because a few people and their multiple accounts are just changing criteria based on how they can get as many people ahead of kobe on the list just to piss his fans off


all the same people voted jordan, russell, magic, bird, kareem over wilt and shaq.


then the minute kobes next in line based on the career formula.... they all of a sudden change to "WE'RE VOTING ON PRIMES NOW. CAREERS DONT MATTER."


its creating drama and needless hatred


they should stick to their criteria


if they voted the entire thing based on the current critera... Shaq and Wilt would go #1 and #2


its basically become a favorite player thread

and making 5-6 favorite player troll threads a day is starting to p*ss me off. because theyre enviting kobe fans in just to troll us. its an agenda thread with a false title. should be deleted
They're just mad man. It's hard for them to let another Laker into the top 10 when there's already Shaq, Wilt and Kareem. Then in the top 20 we got guys like West and Baylor.

Let them have their fun because we're starting a 3 peat this year anyways. When Kobe has 8 titles we'll just laugh at any of their arguments. :oldlol:

[BrickingStar]

Only read the first two paragraphs, as you're a retard.

But, those paragraphs have somewhat of a point.

The same people who voted Bird over Wilt, go back and vote Shaq over Kobe.

Very strange indeed. Because, if the criteria one would have to use to justify Bird being a better player than Wilt was being used (3 rings > 2 rings, 2 FMVPs > 1 FMVP) than those same people would vote Kobe over Shaq (5 rings > 4 rings. 2 rings after they split > 1 ring after they split).

So yes, that's strange and unfortunate. Alot of those same people hate Kobe though, so not much of a surprise. And, when there are little 14 year old posters like yourself running around with Kobe's genitals in your mouth everytime you talk, it makes it that much easier for them to desire to discredit the man.

And by the way, regardless of the reasoning. I've seen you say Kobe is Top 5 All Time. There's no amount of rationale that can justify that. So, you're whining is almost obsolete.

Only retards taking rings as the main reason to account and how bill russel is over Magic is ****ing insane for that matter bird needed to be right behind magic and making wilt a lock for 6th. As for Shaq over kobe that isn't much of an upset at all

[KG215]

you're mad you and your trolls got exposed

a bunch of idiots with multiple accounts trolling kobe fans... you got exposed last night and you look dumb today with this thread aswell because you see how much of fraud these voting polls are going

its just a massive troll on kobe fans

:oldlol:

So because your favorite player doesn't get voted in as high as you want, you have to start a thread crying about how it's a joke, and ask for it to be shut down? How old are you? Because you seem to have the intellectual maturity level of a 12 year old.

You do nothing but go around pushing your Kobe agenda and no one other than the other Kobe stans takes anything you say seriously. Who honestly cares if he gets voted top #7 or #8 in a meaningless message board poll? Does it really upset you that much? Does being voted one or two spots higher by some message board NBA fans really mean that much to you?

I know this will fall on deaf ears, because you have your mind made up and have been working to push Kobe as top 5 all-time for over a month now, but there's not this huge gap between Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem like you seem to believe. You could vote for any of those four at #7 all-time and I and many others wouldn't have a problem with it.

And you know how you like to push Kobe's career resume and use that as your basis for ranking him higher? Well, other people like to use prime/peak play and career resume. Just because others are using a different criteria than you to make their vote doesn't mean they're wrong.

And I'm going to go out on a limb and say posters like AlphaWolf24, swag2011, LakersReign, Iron Fist, and WeGetRing2012 will be about the only ones who come in here to back you up and defend you.

[BlackVVaves]

Only retards taking rings as the main reason to account and how bill russel is over Magic is ****ing insane for that matter bird needed to be right behind magic and making wilt a lock for 6th. As for Shaq over kobe that isn't much of an upset at all

Do you know what number Wilt was voted?

[SpecialQue]

I think Shaq gets way overrated here, but one thing I do give him credit for: his Magic team in 95 counts as the only team to eliminate the Jordan/Pippen Bulls in the playoffs after they started winning championships. In the second round, no less.

But wait, that "doesn't count" according to Jordan fans. :rolleyes:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Only retards taking rings as the main reason to account and how bill russel is over Magic is ****ing insane for that matter bird needed to be right behind magic and making wilt a lock for 6th. As for Shaq over kobe that isn't much of an upset at all

What is it you're trying to say? That putting Russ over Magic is insane? Wilt shouldn't be 6th? No hate, just couldn't decipher your post.

[Colbertnation64]

I think Shaq gets way overrated here, but one thing I do give him credit for: his Magic team in 95 counts as the only team to eliminate the Jordan/Pippen Bulls in the playoffs after they started winning championships. In the second round, no less.

But wait, that "doesn't count" according to Jordan fans. :rolleyes:
Jordan had no flaws and will never be topped according to his fans on here lol.

I have never seen grown ass men so obsessed with one player until I came here.

[BrickingStar]

I think Shaq gets way overrated here, but one thing I do give him credit for: his Magic team in 95 counts as the only team to eliminate the Jordan/Pippen Bulls in the playoffs after they started winning championships. In the second round, no less.

But wait, that "doesn't count" according to Jordan fans. :rolleyes:
Or kobe fans who don't want give him any credit to be over kobe

[BlackVVaves]

What is it you're trying to say? That putting Russ over Magic is insane? Wilt shouldn't be 6th? No hate, just couldn't decipher your post.

I thought I was the only one that had to read that shit 5 times, only to semi understand it :wtf:

[SilkkTheShocker]

The OP is a f.aggot

[BrickingStar]

Do you know what number Wilt was voted?
It's in my post he was voted at 6th

[SpecialQue]

Or kobe fans who don't want give him any credit to be over kobe

Kobe fans are just fvcking weird to me. I get the argument for Kobe being rated over Shaq, but over Jordan? I like Kobe, but he will never, ever pass players like Jordan or Magic on an all-time list.

[kennethgriffin]

Do you know what number Wilt was voted?


this was pretty classic


wilt voted as low as 6th all time... basically giving absolutely no credit what so ever to peak play, prime, dominance


then putting shaq over kobe based on that exact critera LOL

:roll: :roll: :roll:

these people should become politicians with the amount of flipflopping they do


like i said. people vote with agendas. criterias changed to fit their agenda's... its the way everything is voted on.

everyone votes with their heart

its the same method used to keep mvps out of kobes hands all these years. the media votes with that exact same fliflopping critera

1 year its about best player on best team
next year its about who has the least help
next year its about who has the biggest impact
next year its about how the team would do without you
next year its about PER
next year its about best stats with a top 3 record



trolls vote for awards... trolls vote on ISH... the whole world has been F*cked by them

[BrickingStar]

Kobe fans are just fvcking weird to me. I get the argument for Kobe being rated over Shaq, but over Jordan? I like Kobe, but he will never, ever pass players like Jordan or Magic on an all-time list.
There's also kobe fans from LA that destroy wilts legacy despite playing for the lakers to put him under the bus for kobe to be over him.

[Djahjaga]

OP is the maddest poster on ISH.

>Comes up with endless threads whining about Kobe not getting respect.
>Only ever disrespects other players ranked ahead of Kobe.

Yeah, way to go.

[Sarcastic]

OP is right. If you vote for Bird over Wilt, you might as well vote for Kobe over Shaq.

[SilkkTheShocker]

The OP is a disgruntled Canadian upset that his country doesn't have an NBA team

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP is right. If you vote for Bird over Wilt, you might as well vote for Kobe over Shaq.

And why is that? Do people realize Shaq has 3 Finals MVP's?! :oldlol: :confusedshrug:

[alleykat]

kobe can be in the top 10 if u want, that's your prerogative. you can put him as your top 1, matter of fact you can go further and put him in negative numbers if you want.

you guys understand that the top 10 is subjective right? You don't have to be angry about people not listing kobe in their top 10, it just shows that you can't be unbias like the next guy.

[kennethgriffin]

OP is the maddest poster on ISH.

>Comes up with endless threads whining about Kobe not getting respect.
>Only ever disrespects other players ranked ahead of Kobe.

Yeah, way to go.

i praise a ton of great players... i've been boasting this laker team can contend even without kobe. ive said bynum will go on to legendary status in philly. i said jordan is the GOAT many times

youd be surprised how much i praise others. people only see what they wanna see

[kennethgriffin]

kobe can be in the top 10 if u want, that's your prerogative. you can put him as your top 1, matter of fact you can go further and put him in negative numbers if you want or use ∞ to distinguish him....

you guys understand that the top 10 is subjective right? for me Kobe can be number 7, it's just shaq will be higher......

yea... thats what i said. its a fan poll

its become "post your favorite players from order of #1-#10

"we'l call it the top 10 players of all time"

you can just change the reasoning for which you rank players after each player is voted upon



sorry... this is trolling and agenda driven garbage. and thread titles should be changed by mods based on what is really being talked about because its misleading

[Yung D-Will]

You really felt the need to make a separate thread about this?

Simply put, I don't vote for any player based on just "peak play" or "career", or anything like that. It's more of a sum total rather than one specific aspect. For instance peak play is one of the most important factors for me, but I don't even allow you to be considered a candidate for top 10 without at least two championships. It's not one set criteria that causes me to pick one player over the other; It's the sum of a lot of different factors, including Peak play, prime, longevity, consistency, efficiency, championships, level of competition, supporting cast, coaching, and of course none of this can stand on it's own without context.

So no, I simply didn't pick Shaq over Kobe, soley based on peak play. Rather than that, I realized that the one additional championship when put into the context of him being the best player for only two of them, along with the longevity, didn't merit him being put over a player with a far superior peak, who was the best player on three out of the 4 championships he won, with extremely dominant finals performances . Even in terms of longevity, Shaq's not Larry Bird, from the moment he stepped on to the nba court in his rookie season, he achieved a whopping 13 straight seasons averaging at least 21/10 on at least 55% shooting (1992-2005).

[Sarcastic]

And why is that? Do people realize Shaq has 3 Finals MVP's?! :oldlol: :confusedshrug:

Wilt would have 2 of them, if the award existed in 1967.

[jstern]

These fake Laker fans hate so badly a guy who dominated and gave the Lakers 3 championships.

[kennethgriffin]

You really felt the need to make a separate thread about this?

Simply put, I don't vote for any player based on just "peak play" or "career", or anything like that. It's more of a sum total rather than one specific aspect. For instance peak play is one of the most important factors for me, but I don't even allow you to be considered a candidate for top 10 without at least two championships. It's not one set criteria that causes me to pick one player over the other; It's the sum of a lot of different factors, including Peak play, prime, longevity, consistency, efficiency, championships, level of competition, supporting cast, coaching, and of course none of this can stand on it's own without context.

So no, I simply didn't pick Shaq over Kobe, soley based on peak play. Rather than that, I realized that the one additional championship when put into the context of him being the best player for only two of them, along with the longevity, didn't merit him being put over a player with a far superior peak, who was the best player on three out of the 4 championships he won, with extremely dominant finals performances . Even in terms of longevity, Shaq's not Larry Bird, from the moment he stepped on to the nba court in his rookie season, he achieved a whopping 13 straight seasons averaging at least 21/10 on at least 55% shooting (1992-2005).


if the "sum total" of wilt and shaq are above kobe... then the sum total of shaq and wilt would be above bird

but bird is more popular that shaq and wilt here

and shaq/wilt are more popular than kobe here

see the trend?




and btw... kobe has a prime that is somewhat less than shaqs... sure

but his career is leaps and bounds ahead of shaqs. i listed 50 major things kobe had over shaq in the main thread for voting #7

so if its the sum total kobes ahead of shaq too.

if kobe has 50 things over shaq for careers. and shaq only has 1-2 things over kobe in peak play...

then guess what

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wilt would have 2 of them, if the award existed in 1967.

Right, but where's the hypocrisy in rating Shaq over Kobe? Shaq was also a much better playoff and Finals performer than Wilt. Educate yourselves.

[kennethgriffin]

These fake Laker fans hate so badly a guy who dominated and gave the Lakers 3 championships.

who said i hate shaq

if they made a thead asking who had the most impact in their absolute prime for 1-2 years

i'd be mad at people for not picking wilt and shaq ahead of bird, magic, russell, kareem and jordan


shaqs one of the best ever. hes a legend. i would make just as big a deal if hakeem was voted over kobe for this "peak" agenda when he would be voted over bird/magic aswell for that same reasoning... BUT ISNT

[CasterL]

Seek help. Tragic meltdown.

[Yung D-Will]

if the "sum total" of wilt and shaq are above kobe... then the sum total of shaq and wilt would be above bird

but bird is more popular that shaq and wilt here

and shaq/wilt are more popular than kobe here

see the trend?




and btw... kobe has a prime that is somewhat less than shaqs... sure

but his career is leaps and bounds ahead of shaqs. i listed 50 major things kobe had over shaq in the main thread for voting #7

so if its the sum total kobes ahead of shaq too.

if kobe has 50 things over shaq for careers. and shaq only has 1-2 things over kobe in peak play...

then guess what
Popularity? What exactly are you talking about? Kobe's probally been the most popular player of the past decade.

Bird's Peak was one of the few peaks on the same level of Shaq IMO. Bird's MVP's, along with the fact that he's the only player besides Steve Nash, to record multiple 50/40/90 seasons, gives him a slight edge over Shaq. However it could go either way.

I wouldn't sit here complaning about someone putting Shaq over Bird, because the gap isn't that big, so I'm not understanding why you're complaning about someone putting Shaq over Kobe.

[fpliii]

if the "sum total" of wilt and shaq are above kobe... then the sum total of shaq and wilt would be above bird

but bird is more popular that shaq and wilt here

and shaq/wilt are more popular than kobe here

see the trend?




and btw... kobe has a prime that is somewhat less than shaqs... sure

but his career is leaps and bounds ahead of shaqs. i listed 50 major things kobe had over shaq in the main thread for voting #7

so if its the sum total kobes ahead of shaq too.

if kobe has 50 things over shaq for careers. and shaq only has 1-2 things over kobe in peak play...

then guess what

griff - in your opinion, are all 50 of those things of equal importance?

[Freedom Kid7]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xt_Pbt_ysUU/T6_fQoKxneI/AAAAAAAACkE/6VWjKPwJ5pA/s1600/Rustled+Jimmies.jpg

[BrickingStar]

Popularity? What exactly are you talking about? Kobe's probally been the most popular player of the past decade.

Bird's Peak was one of the few peaks on the same level of Shaq IMO. Bird's MVP's, along with the fact that he's the only player besides Steve Nash, to record multiple 50/40/90 seasons, gives him a slight edge over Shaq. However it could go either way.

I wouldn't sit here complaning about someone putting Shaq over Bird, because the gap isn't that big, so I'm not understanding why you're complaning about someone putting Shaq over Kobe.
He's from canada who's a ****ing retard and loves kobe not the lakers and can't realize that the top 10 is subjective leave this bitch and his asylum alone

[Sarcastic]

Right, but where's the hypocrisy in rating Shaq over Kobe? Shaq was also a much better playoff and Finals performer than Wilt. Educate yourselves.


So the top 10 should really be called "10 best playoff performers of all time" since that's all most people are considering.


Wilt was an exceptional playoff performer btw. He averaged 25 rebounds per game for his career in the playoffs.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So the top 10 should really be called "10 best playoff performers of all time" since that's all most people are considering.


I never suggested that.

[LikeABosh]

you're mad you and your trolls got exposed

a bunch of idiots with multiple accounts trolling kobe fans... you got exposed last night and you look dumb today with this thread aswell because you see how much of fraud these voting polls are going

its just a massive troll on kobe fans
Not everyone who believes Shaq is better than Kobe is a "troll". Just piss off.

[SpecialQue]

who said i hate shaq

if they made a thead asking who had the most impact in their absolute prime for 1-2 years

i'd be mad at people for not picking wilt and shaq ahead of bird, magic, russell, kareem and jordan


shaqs one of the best ever. hes a legend. i would make just as big a deal if hakeem was voted over kobe for this "peak" agenda when he would be voted over bird/magic aswell for that same reasoning... BUT ISNT

http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/shaq2.png

[maybeshewill13]

Why isn't OP banned yet? I seriously worry about his mental health, it's not healthy to idolise someone so much. Jeff needs to do OP a favour and ban him so he can go outside a little.

[kennethgriffin]

Why isn't OP banned yet? I seriously worry about his mental health, it's not healthy to idolise someone so much. Jeff needs to do OP a favour and ban him so he can go outside a little.

because it turns out half the people in this thread are agreeing with me

shocking isnt it

:yaohappy:

[scandisk_]

Shaq dominated when it mattered most, just like Bird :lol There I said it :mad:

[BrickingStar]

because it turns out half the people in this thread are agreeing with me

shocking isnt it

:yaohappy:
sarcastic is the only non kobe stan that agreed with you :lol

[Freedom Kid7]

Kenneth, chill out man. I'm sorry ISH doesn't believe what you believe. It's really, really, REALLY not that big of a deal.

[maybeshewill13]

because it turns out half the people in this thread are agreeing with me

shocking isnt it

:yaohappy:

Serious question though, when you think about it, isn't it even a little bit creepy how much you idolise this person (Kobe)? :confusedshrug: I mean, how many threads do you need to make?

Come on dude, get a life. Go outside. It's fun, I promise. Why does it matter that you need get all of our approval?

[Jax]

OP is a major PHAGG0T

[Hands of Iron]

Eh, if I actually bothered to make an ordered list, I imagine the top five would consist of Jordan, Chamberlain, Shaq, Jabbar and Bird or Hakeem. Lebron would also likely be in the top ten based on peak play and impact. Just validate your greatness and value with a title or two, a team accomplishment.

[kennethgriffin]

Kenneth, chill out man. I'm sorry ISH doesn't believe what you believe. It's really, really, REALLY not that big of a deal.


dont believe what i believe


believe what you believe MORE CONSISTANTLY

you're obviously part of the problem

[KingBeasley08]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


griffmoney is losing his mind :oldlol:

[SpecialQue]

Eh, if I actually bothered to make an ordered list, I imagine the top five would consist of Jordan, Chamberlain, Shaq, Jabbar and Bird or Hakeem. Lebron would also likely be in the top ten based on peak play and impact. Just validate your greatness and value with a title or two, a team accomplishment.

I know everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I'd love to know why anyone would ever put Shaq and Hakeem above Magic.

[Freedom Kid7]

dont believe what i believe


believe what you believe MORE CONSISTANTLY

you're obviously part of the problem
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xt_Pbt_ysUU/T6_fQoKxneI/AAAAAAAACkE/6VWjKPwJ5pA/s1600/Rustled+Jimmies.jpg
The reason I have Shaq ahead of Kobe if you must know is that Shaq won three rings as the man. Kobe won two rings as the man. Include the Peak of Shaq being better than Kobe's, I think it's fiar.

For career accomplishments regarding rings, I count rings won as 'the man' more than anything else

[Vertical-24]

I don't get what the big deal is....Kobe's not even that good :confusedshrug:

He just chucks fade-aways and people think he's Jordan :facepalm

[KG215]

because it turns out half the people in this thread are agreeing with me

shocking isnt it

:yaohappy:

Where in the hell are you getting that from? About the only people agreeing with you are other Kobe stans.

[kennethgriffin]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


griffmoney is losing his mind :oldlol:


yet i make perfect sense

its amazing. how a man who lost his mind can say

"ranking bird ahead of wilt/shaq for one reason... then ranking shaq/wilt ahead of kobe for the opposite reason seems a bit fishy


well i exposed a bunch of agenda driven biased trolling hypocrites


next thing you know theyel be ranking jerry west ahead of kobe based on career stats... saying nothing else matters... even though baylor would be ahead of magic,bird,shaq and many more under that critera

lol

and you know something... not more than a few weeks ago they had a jerry west vs kobe bryant thread where that verry same formula was used


agenda


agenda


agenda


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

goat hypocrite forum

[Overdrive]

Interesting that the OP, Alphadog or whatever his name is and KOBE143 stated that 99% of the basketball community agress that either Kobe>Shaq, Kobe's definite TOP 5 GOAT or I even read somewhere that he's the GOAT however on those polls he's none of that.

[kennethgriffin]

I don't get what the big deal is....Kobe's not even that good :confusedshrug:

He just chucks fade-aways and people think he's Jordan :facepalm

:oldlol: i'm out


this guy is just 1 of many on ISH

ttyl everyone!

[Freedom Kid7]

Take care Kenneth.

[KingBeasley08]

i dont know about the rest of u but im voting for duncan next LOL. griffs going crazy is worth it

[KG215]

:oldlol: i'm out


this guy is just 1 of many on ISH

ttyl everyone!

And you see one person like him post something that stupid, and think there's many others on ISH that feel the same way. That's your problem. No one in their right mind believes the stupid crap Vertical-24 posted.

[Vertical-24]

And you see one person like him post something that stupid, and think there's many others on ISH that feel the same way. That's your problem. No one in their right mind believes the stupid crap Vertical-24 posted.

LMAO not even Vertical-24 does :oldlol:

[maybeshewill13]

:oldlol: i'm out


this guy is just 1 of many on ISH

ttyl everyone!

But you didn't answer my question bro :confusedshrug:

[Optimus Prime]

The bigger question is why do you care what random kids on an Internet forum think about Kobe? So some Lebron trolls on ISH voted Shaq higher all time than Kobe ... so what? If this seriously bothers you ... wow.:facepalm

:kobe:

[funnystuff]

A top 11 just for griff.

1. Jordan
2. Reem
3. Russ
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Hakeem(interchangable)
8. Shaq(interchangable)
9. Duncan
10. Lebron
11. Kobe

:applause:



Griffs about to have a meltdown.

[riseagainst]

Can the mods please ban this f@got who has lost his mind


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr94/whokabowie/negged1.gif

you are so mad... why you are in the green is beyond any comprehension.

[Hands of Iron]

I know everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I'd love to know why anyone would ever put Shaq and Hakeem above Magic.

IF.

Anybody with a valid case for the Top 10 is generally on the same level albeit for some various different/unique strengths and reasons which is why I don't bother to keep a specific list but primarily due to what they were at their peaks, two-way and maybe a little favortism. Shaq was one of the most dominant, efficient scorers in league history who while at his best was absolute hell on the glass and had a significant impact on the other end of the floor. Hell, he had that in comparison to Magic even when he wasnt as committed. Hakeem on the hand while not as efficient as Shaq was probably the most skilled center ever offensively in terms of how many ways he could skin a cat, his versatility, footwork, post moves; had the ability to create his own shots and close games; one of the greatest defensive centers of all-time so no concern on that end. If you're talking about accolades, I'm pretty salty about the 1980 Finals MVP and 1989/1990 NBA MVP's. :lol

[Ne 1]

For career accomplishments regarding rings, I count rings won as 'the man' more than anything else

Just going by the faux category of "rings as the man" then Bill Russell is far and away the undisputed GOAT then.

This is not a real category. People throw it out as a statistical category. Does anyone outside of ISH and similar sites comprised of a tiny fraction of hardcore elitist fans care about this? This is a rhetorical question. No one does. Rings are rings. Walk into the local sports bar tonight and ask people how many rings Kobe, or for that matter Shaq or Magic have. 5, 4, and 5. It is hilarious how elitist fans obsess over a fictional category that is based on subjective factors and is irrelevant. If "the man" could win without the "sidekick" it would mean something but many players have proved this cannot be done, aside from Hakeem, Duncan, and Barry. Look at LeBron before Wade. Look at Kobe before Gasol. Look at Jordan before before Pippen and the list goes on and on.

[Freedom Kid7]

Just going by the faux category of "rings as the man" then Bill Russell is far and away the undisputed GOAT then.
That's not the only thing I use. Consistency, peak, etc all factor in. DO I factor rings maybe a bit too much? Sure why not. But I'm not blinded by that.



This is not a real category. People throw it out as a statistical category. Does anyone outside of ISH and similar sites comprised of a tiny fraction of hardcore elitist fans care about this? This is a rhetorical question. No one does. Rings are rings. Walk into the local sports bar tonight and ask people how many rings Kobe, or for that matter Shaq or Magic have. 5, 4, and 5. It is hilarious how elitist fans obsess over a fictional category that is based on subjective factors and is irrelevant. If "the man" could win without the "sidekick" it would mean something but many players have proved this cannot be done, aside from Hakeem, Duncan, and Barry. Look at LeBron before Wade. Look at Kobe before Gasol. Look at Jordan before before Pippen and the list goes on and on.
I see you're point.

[TheBigVeto]

this is how the average debate with an ISH poster usually goes

-------------------------------------------------

what makes shaq better than kobe for the 7th best player all time?


= "MOST DOMINANT EVER YO! NO ONE MATCHES HIS PEAK PLAY"


then why isnt he ranked #1 all time. whyd you rank jordan/wilt/bird/kareem/russell/magic ahead of him?

= "BECAUSE THEIR CAREERS ARE BETTER THAN SHAQS"


shaqs career is better than wilts


= "BECAUSE WILT IS THE MOST DOMINANT EVER!"


i thought shaq was the MDE?


= "HE IS!.... WHEN COMPARED TO KOBE HE IS!"


so what is it? careers or primes? is it MJ, Russell, Kareem #1,2,3 or is it Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem as the 1,2,3 best players ever. because you cant change the criteria based on how you want your favorite players to be ranked all time


= "WE DONT CHANGE!"



then you have to put kobe over wilt and shaq. because you put jordan, bird, magic, kareem, russell over wilt and shaq based on having better overall careers



= "SHAQ AND WILT WERE WAY MORE DOMINANT IN THEIR ABSOLUTE PRIME THOUGH!"


yea.... they were also way more dominant in their absolute prime than jordan, bird, kareem, russell, and magic

if there was an all time draft on primes...youd probably have shaq, wilt, hakeem, oscar all go with the first 4 picks


= "NO WAY! I'D PICK JORDAN OVER SHAQ AND WILT!


but i thought wilt and shaq were the MDE in their primes?


= "THEY ARE! IDIOT!"



:facepalm


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can the mods please shut down these player ranking threads. its obviously an agenda driven bias trolling thread to piss off us laker/kobe fans

LOL this fool is :mad:

[Smoke117]

You are the whiniest little bitch on this forum. Give it a rest.

[AlphaWolf24]

Interesting that the OP, Alphadog or whatever his name is and KOBE143 stated that 99% of the basketball community agress that either Kobe>Shaq, Kobe's definite TOP 5 GOAT or I even read somewhere that he's the GOAT however on those polls he's none of that.


http://www.nba.com/alldecade/vote13/

- In TNT's basketball poll thousnds upon thousands of basketball fans..

Kobe was voted player of the decade 2000 - 2009 , Duncan came in 2nd.



- Sporting news has Kobe as the greatest NBA athlete of th decadehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_News

they also had Kobe ranked higher alltine the Both Shaq and Duncan



we get it....certain fans online hate Kobe/lakers....(hey look guy's....I'll go online and and sound like I know basketball and put Duncan and Shaq....heck may even put Big O over Kobe...makes me sound like a basketball elite fan!)


there's always 1%

[Dictator]

this is how the average debate with an ISH poster usually goes

-------------------------------------------------

what makes shaq better than kobe for the 7th best player all time?


= "MOST DOMINANT EVER YO! NO ONE MATCHES HIS PEAK PLAY"


then why isnt he ranked #1 all time. whyd you rank jordan/wilt/bird/kareem/russell/magic ahead of him?

= "BECAUSE THEIR CAREERS ARE BETTER THAN SHAQS"


shaqs career is better than wilts


= "BECAUSE WILT IS THE MOST DOMINANT EVER!"


i thought shaq was the MDE?


= "HE IS!.... WHEN COMPARED TO KOBE HE IS!"


so what is it? careers or primes? is it MJ, Russell, Kareem #1,2,3 or is it Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem as the 1,2,3 best players ever. because you cant change the criteria based on how you want your favorite players to be ranked all time


= "WE DONT CHANGE!"



then you have to put kobe over wilt and shaq. because you put jordan, bird, magic, kareem, russell over wilt and shaq based on having better overall careers



= "SHAQ AND WILT WERE WAY MORE DOMINANT IN THEIR ABSOLUTE PRIME THOUGH!"


yea.... they were also way more dominant in their absolute prime than jordan, bird, kareem, russell, and magic

if there was an all time draft on primes...youd probably have shaq, wilt, hakeem, oscar all go with the first 4 picks


= "NO WAY! I'D PICK JORDAN OVER SHAQ AND WILT!


but i thought wilt and shaq were the MDE in their primes?


= "THEY ARE! IDIOT!"



:facepalm


---------------------------------------

can the mods please shut down these player ranking threads. its obviously an agenda driven bias trolling thread to piss off us laker/kobe fans


:oldlol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol :roll:

[riseagainst]

this is how the average debate with an ISH poster usually goes

-------------------------------------------------

what makes shaq better than kobe for the 7th best player all time?


= "MOST DOMINANT EVER YO! NO ONE MATCHES HIS PEAK PLAY"


then why isnt he ranked #1 all time. whyd you rank jordan/wilt/bird/kareem/russell/magic ahead of him?

= "BECAUSE THEIR CAREERS ARE BETTER THAN SHAQS"


shaqs career is better than wilts


= "BECAUSE WILT IS THE MOST DOMINANT EVER!"


i thought shaq was the MDE?


= "HE IS!.... WHEN COMPARED TO KOBE HE IS!"


so what is it? careers or primes? is it MJ, Russell, Kareem #1,2,3 or is it Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem as the 1,2,3 best players ever. because you cant change the criteria based on how you want your favorite players to be ranked all time


= "WE DONT CHANGE!"



then you have to put kobe over wilt and shaq. because you put jordan, bird, magic, kareem, russell over wilt and shaq based on having better overall careers



= "SHAQ AND WILT WERE WAY MORE DOMINANT IN THEIR ABSOLUTE PRIME THOUGH!"


yea.... they were also way more dominant in their absolute prime than jordan, bird, kareem, russell, and magic

if there was an all time draft on primes...youd probably have shaq, wilt, hakeem, oscar all go with the first 4 picks


= "NO WAY! I'D PICK JORDAN OVER SHAQ AND WILT!


but i thought wilt and shaq were the MDE in their primes?


= "THEY ARE! IDIOT!"



:facepalm


---------------------------------------

can the mods please shut down these player ranking threads. its obviously an agenda driven bias trolling thread to piss off us laker/kobe fans


:roll: :lol :applause:

so true, though. Kobe always gets the double standard treatment.

[Overdrive]

http://www.nba.com/alldecade/vote13/

- In TNT's basketball poll thousnds upon thousands of basketball fans..

Kobe was voted player of the decade 2000 - 2009 , Duncan came in 2nd.



- Sporting news has Kobe as the greatest NBA athlete of th decadehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_News

they also had Kobe ranked higher alltine the Both Shaq and Duncan



we get it....certain fans online hate Kobe/lakers....(hey look guy's....I'll go online and and sound like I know basketball and put Duncan and Shaq....heck may even put Big O over Kobe...makes me sound like a basketball elite fan!)


there's always 1%

You think any poll represent 99% of all basketball fans?

I got Shaq and Kobe on the same AT spot, because there's no definate answer to those questions actually and their careers are tight together massively.

It's not about elite fandom, hating or anything. I hated Kobe for about his whole career, but he's one of the greatest players ever. No doubt about it.

I think it's wrong to put up a definite answer based on criteria without probable definitions.

What makes a player > another?

Aside from that you cannot compare Shaq and Kobe with "player of the decade awards" since Shaq didn't have his prime stretched over either the 90s or the 00s.

btw: sorry, I remembered your name wrong.

[Asukal]

Somebody is mad. :roll:

[riseagainst]

You think any poll represent 99% of all basketball fans?

I got Shaq and Kobe on the same AT spot, because there's no definate answer to those questions actually and their careers are tight together massively.

It's not about elite fandom, hating or anything. I hated Kobe for about his whole career, but he's one of the greatest players ever. No doubt about it.

I think it's wrong to put up a definite answer based on criteria without probable definitions.

What makes a player > another?

it doesn't, but surveys and polls are what alot of organizations use to get a general idea of the public. If that TNT poll is indeed voted on by thousands of people, wouldn't that better represent the public opinion better than just 30-40 people on a forum?

[Overdrive]

it doesn't, but surveys and polls are what alot of organizations use to get a general idea of the public. If that TNT poll is indeed voted on by thousands of people, wouldn't that better represent the public opinion better than just 30-40 people on a forum?

Yes, it has a bigger value in estimating the outcome of a even bigger poll, up to 100%, but basketball is huge. Some 10.000 still only respresent maybe 1% of the whole basketball fandom worldwide(and even there it's not 99%).
Relatively speaking 40 is not that much different from 10.000.

Still Kobe is great, but it's no upset that Shaq is considered > Kobe by some people.

[riseagainst]

Yes, it has a bigger value in estimating the outcome of a even bigger poll, up to 100%, but basketball is huge. Some 10.000 still only respresent maybe 1% of the whole basketball fandom worldwide(and even there it's not 99%).
Relatively speaking 40 is not that much different from 10.000.

Still Kobe is great, but it's no upset that Shaq is considered > Kobe by some people.

I agree with that. I was only commenting on the polls part.

[Asukal]

Yes, it has a bigger value in estimating the outcome of a even bigger poll, up to 100%, but basketball is huge. Some 10.000 still only respresent maybe 1% of the whole basketball fandom worldwide(and even there it's not 99%).
Relatively speaking 40 is not that much different from 10.000.

Still Kobe is great, but it's no upset that Shaq is considered > Kobe by some people.

The thing is those 10000 people may not even be knowledgeable basketball fans. So there's actually a lot to factor in and not just the sheer quantity of the votes.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Lettuce not forget perimeter play is greatly valued over big play in the eyes of the general fan. Skewing the data homie statistics 101.

[LakersReign]

Just going by the faux category of "rings as the man" then Bill Russell is far and away the undisputed GOAT then.

This is not a real category. People throw it out as a statistical category. Does anyone outside of ISH and similar sites comprised of a tiny fraction of hardcore elitist fans care about this? This is a rhetorical question. No one does. Rings are rings. Walk into the local sports bar tonight and ask people how many rings Kobe, or for that matter Shaq or Magic have. 5, 4, and 5. It is hilarious how elitist fans obsess over a fictional category that is based on subjective factors and is irrelevant. If "the man" could win without the "sidekick" it would mean something but many players have proved this cannot be done, aside from Hakeem, Duncan, and Barry. Look at LeBron before Wade. Look at Kobe before Gasol. Look at Jordan before before Pippen and the list goes on and on.

Well said:applause:

To further add to your point, there aren't special wings in the Basketball HOF for championships as "the man" or as a "sidekick." The only people who try to split hairs like that are haters who desperately need to grasp at straws, trying to discredit another player.

[NumberSix]

Shaq is top 10, Kobe isn't. Get over it. QQ

[joeyjoejoe]

Finals mvp means more to me, shaq and duncan are 3 from 4 >>>> kobe is 2 from 5

[Quickening]

Why does Kobe have better career... Shaq 3 times Fmvp from 4 championships, far better stats throughout career, next.

[swag2011]

Finals mvp means more to me, shaq and duncan are 3 from 4 >>>> kobe is 2 from 5

Yet Kareem only has 2 out of 6 so why was he voted top 3? Matter fact, where is Kareem in your top 10, using you logic, b/c he should near the bottom half of top 10 then.

[Hittin_Shots]

Because he was better

[joeyjoejoe]

I wouldnt put kareem quite that high but he does have more points then anyone in the history of the game