Bigass Poltical thread Part IV: Here come the conventions and a hurricane

[KevinNYC]

The GOP convention starts Monday.
Also on Monday, Tropical Storm Isaac is expected to be a category 1 hurricane and it's current track has it headed right towards Tampa for that same Monday
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http://www.watch.org/html/images/Isaac8-22-5.jpg


They have announced the speaker lineup for the first three days. Here's the speaker list for the GOP. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Republican_National_Convention#Speaking_on_Mo nday.2C_August_27)

[QUOTE]Speaking on Monday, August 27

John Boehner - Speaker of the United States House of Representatives.
Rick Scott, Governor of Florida.
Reince Priebus, Republican National Committee chairman.
Rand Paul, United States Senator from Kentucky.
Cathy McMorris Rodgers, United States Representative for Washington's 5th congressional district.
Artur Davis, former Democratic Representative from Alabama and 2010 Democratic candidate for Governor of Alabama.
Ted Cruz, former Texas solicitor general and 2012 Republican nominee from Texas for U.S. Senate.
Nikki Haley, Governor of South Carolina.
Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas.
Luc

[KevinNYC]

The Democratic Conventions is Sep 4-6. The speaker list hasn't been announced yet.

[Sarcastic]

Any particular reason that GW Bush, D!ck Cheney, or Sarah Palin aren't speaking?

[KevinNYC]

Any particular reason that GW Bush, D!ck Cheney, or Sarah Palin aren't speaking?

I suspect you know the reason.

[KevinNYC]

Building off the Todd Akin controversy, the Democrats have announced a bunch of female speakers at their convention. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-national-convention-to-feature-women-speakers-community-activities/2012/08/22/ab55d91e-ec87-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_story.html)


Similarly, Democrats’ slate of female speakers highlights the contrast Obama has tried to draw between his positions and those of his opponent on abortion and other women’s health issues. This week in particular, Democrats have seized on the comments of Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin regarding “legitimate rape” to highlight some Republicans’ (including vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan’s) opposition to abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

The last day of the Democratic Convention is going to be held in the Stadium the Carolina Panthers play in and they are going to give thousands of tickets away to the public.

[Freedom Kid7]

Damn it feels bad to be republican.

[Jailblazers7]

Any particular reason that GW Bush, D!ck Cheney, or Sarah Palin aren't speaking?

Palin is too high brow for the current Republican party.

[no pun intended]

I can't wait to see Ryan crack some more jokes :banana:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_P7Wbm9oas&feature=player_embedded

[bagelred]

The Legion of Doom

[rufuspaul]

I live in Charlotte, literally walking distance from B of A Stadium where Obama will give his acceptance speech. The town is going nuts right now and the convention doesn't even start till Labor Day. My route to work, which is the inner loop around downtown will be shut down that week. Thanks Democrats, now I'll have to get up 20 mins early in order to get to work on time.

At least the escort/prostitution business will get a much needed boost. :oldlol:

[Rose]

I might go to Charlotte for this. I got invited too by some college people I know.

[Sarcastic]

I live in Charlotte, literally walking distance from B of A Stadium where Obama will give his acceptance speech. The town is going nuts right now and the convention doesn't even start till Labor Day. My route to work, which is the inner loop around downtown will be shut down that week. Thanks Democrats, now I'll have to get up 20 mins early in order to get to work on time.

At least the escort/prostitution business will get a much needed boost. :oldlol:


Charlotte has some fine looking strippers from what I remember. They will be in business that week.

[KevinNYC]

I live in Charlotte, literally walking distance from B of A Stadium where Obama will give his acceptance speech. The town is going nuts right now and the convention doesn't even start till Labor Day. My route to work, which is the inner loop around downtown will be shut down that week. Thanks Democrats, now I'll have to get up 20 mins early in order to get to work on time.

At least the escort/prostitution business will get a much needed boost. :oldlol:


Dude, we can all stay at your house! That's awesome man. Really generous of you.

[sunsfan1357]

Just read an article in the local paper about Ricky Gill speaking at the Republican convention. Don't know anything about the guy, but that's neat I guess.

[rufuspaul]

Dude, we can all stay at your house! That's awesome man. Really generous of you.

No problem. :D I have a neighbor who is renting his house out for the week for $25,000. :eek:

[KevinNYC]

Just read an article in the local paper about Ricky Gill speaking at the Republican convention. Don't know anything about the guy, but that's neat I guess.

who he?

[sunsfan1357]

who he?

Young guy running for office against Jerry McNerney. I think he's only around 25 or 26, but he's going for California's 9th District.

[KevinNYC]

If you haven't read the thread on Special Forces, I have been discussing the recent swiftboat attempts on Obama.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7718268&postcount=49

I figured I would move this to the political thread.

[no pun intended]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/texas-judge-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Some Republicans have to keep their mouth shut these days.

[KevinNYC]

If you haven't read the thread on Special Forces, I have been discussing the recent swiftboat attempts on Obama.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7718268&postcount=49

I figured I would move this to the political thread.

In the other thread, I mentioned that a Navy Seal who was on the Bin Laden raid was publishing a book coming out in September. He was using a pseudonym for security purposes.

Fox News published his name today.


Also the hurricane is trending towards Alabama.

[KevinNYC]

In the other thread, I mentioned that a Navy Seal who was on the Bin Laden raid was publishing a book coming out in September. He was using a pseudonym for security purposes..

Apparently this book has not been reviewed by the government (http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/23/13438291-ex-navy-seal-faces-legal-jeopardy-for-writing-about-bin-laden-raid?lite)yet. That's highly unusual.


What legal consequences could a former U.S. Navy SEAL face for writing a book about the still-classified 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden?
Legal experts say the author could face trouble on two fronts -- a civil lawsuit for not seeking a military review before the book was published and possible criminal prosecution for revealing classified information.

[KevinNYC]

Hurrican is headed West towards the Gulf Coast, but has already impacted the GOP convention. Organizers have cancelled the Monday events.

has been cancelled due to Hurricane. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/us/politics/republican-convention-tampa.html)

[QUOTE]Tropical Storm Isaac began to shift westward early Sunday morning, raising hopes that the city might escape the brunt of the weather that forced the cancellation of the first day of the Republican party

[IcanzIIravor]

Hurrican is headed West towards the Gulf Coast, but has already impacted the GOP convention. Organizers have cancelled the Monday events.

has been cancelled due to Hurricane. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/us/politics/republican-convention-tampa.html)





Also there's rumors that Donald Trump is going to tell an Obama impersonator, "you fired."

This would be so cheesy. The GOP is laughable for rolling out a carpet for Trump. He's the type of attention whore that would put the worst political attention whores to shame. He cares not one ounce about the GOP. That type of cheese is not going to help the GOP at all, but will keep Trump where he wants to be. On tv and in the thoughts of millions of idiots regardless of political lean.

[no pun intended]

Hurrican is headed West towards the Gulf Coast, but has already impacted the GOP convention. Organizers have cancelled the Monday events.

has been cancelled due to Hurricane. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/us/politics/republican-convention-tampa.html)





Also there's rumors that Donald Trump is going to tell Akin, "you fired."
Fixed.

[JaggerCommaMick]

This would be so cheesy. The GOP is laughable for rolling out a carpet for Trump. He's the type of attention whore that would put the worst political attention whores to shame. He cares not one ounce about the GOP. That type of cheese is not going to help the GOP at all, but will keep Trump where he wants to be. On tv and in the thoughts of millions of idiots regardless of political lean.


And yet, mate, here you are discussing it, legitimizing everything you just said about his scheme for attention.

These networks have gotten fools like you so worked up over the competition between two men's personal career ambitions, that you can't bloody see that it dont matter who the president is, because ultimately he is supposed to be your public servant. If you all were on here discussing policy and seeking solutions and compromises, you could influence the party leaders, rather than vice versa. Instead, you blokes simply wait for them to declare the party position, and then mindlessly go along with it without a bloody lick of personal analysis.

I aint even a bloody citizen and I've made a few threads about American policy, trying to spark a useful discussion. They're either ignored or turn into personal attacks against me. But in the meanwhile, mate, all you little sheep just bleet about Romney, bleet about Tod Akin, bleet about Paul Ryan.... They dont matter, mate! And neither does Obama! This is supposed to be your country. You just pick sides and let someone else tell you what to think. You know, mate, during the Bush and Blair years, the left wingers always accused the government of trying to create outer enemies so that people wouldn't notice what they're doing. That's what both of these parties are doing, and you are the idiot little sheep who eat it right up. Attack the Republicans! Defend the democrats! How bout discussing policy legitimately and leaving partisan politics out of it? Oh, I know why, mate. Because you flat out are not smart enough or informed enough to do it. All you can do is wave the flag and hurl the insults.


How come you aint got any opinions on the war since Bush left office? Where are your proposals for spending reduction? What the **** is your contribution to political dialogue, mate? You aint got nothin to say except to attack one party and prop up the other. You, KevinNYC, Sarcastic, and the rest of the lot are a bunch of dumbarse followers.

[KevinNYC]

Also there's rumors that Donald Trump is going to tell an Obama impersonator, "you fired."

Trump. No Trump. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/donald-trump-rnc-surprise_n_1833142.html)

Trump's "big" deal (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/trump-plays-up-birth-certificate-issue-in-fla-133264.html) which would have been "big" and a "big" surprise has been cancelled due either due to the Hurricane or due to the GOP wising up after Trump kept pushing the birther nonsense on Sunday.

[QUOTE]"Well I had a big role tomorrow night. You know what happened tomorrow night. So it

[KevinNYC]

Hurricane is headed for New Orleans and not Tampa.

Tropical Storm Warning has been called off.

Unfortunately, since the storm has shifted west, this means two days over the open waters of the Gulf of Mexico where the storm can gain power. It should be a category 1 when it makes landfall along New Orleans and Biloxi.

[rufuspaul]

So far the coverage from my hometown paper: Obama! DNC! Hurricane!
RNC Did we mention DNC and Hurricane?

[Rasheed1]

Chris Matthews annihilated Reince Priebus this morning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/chris-matthews-reince-priebus-birth-certificate_n_1832872.html

Joe & Mika looked like children at the dinner table with their heads down :oldlol: Chris screamed on this guy like he was his dad....

[IcanzIIravor]

And yet, mate, here you are discussing it, legitimizing everything you just said about his scheme for attention.

These networks have gotten fools like you so worked up over the competition between two men's personal career ambitions, that you can't bloody see that it dont matter who the president is, because ultimately he is supposed to be your public servant. If you all were on here discussing policy and seeking solutions and compromises, you could influence the party leaders, rather than vice versa. Instead, you blokes simply wait for them to declare the party position, and then mindlessly go along with it without a bloody lick of personal analysis.

I aint even a bloody citizen and I've made a few threads about American policy, trying to spark a useful discussion. They're either ignored or turn into personal attacks against me. But in the meanwhile, mate, all you little sheep just bleet about Romney, bleet about Tod Akin, bleet about Paul Ryan.... They dont matter, mate! And neither does Obama! This is supposed to be your country. You just pick sides and let someone else tell you what to think. You know, mate, during the Bush and Blair years, the left wingers always accused the government of trying to create outer enemies so that people wouldn't notice what they're doing. That's what both of these parties are doing, and you are the idiot little sheep who eat it right up. Attack the Republicans! Defend the democrats! How bout discussing policy legitimately and leaving partisan politics out of it? Oh, I know why, mate. Because you flat out are not smart enough or informed enough to do it. All you can do is wave the flag and hurl the insults.


How come you aint got any opinions on the war since Bush left office? Where are your proposals for spending reduction? What the **** is your contribution to political dialogue, mate? You aint got nothin to say except to attack one party and prop up the other. You, KevinNYC, Sarcastic, and the rest of the lot are a bunch of dumbarse followers.

How bout you drop the lame gimmick and people would then actually have a serious discussion with you. Why would I not discuss it, given this is a political thread and trump has squarely put himself into the GOP political camp? This has to be one of the worst gimmicks I have seen on this site.

[Sarcastic]

Republicans are completely out of touch with reality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/tom-smith-rape_n_1834234.html

Tom Smith, GOP Senate Candidate: Pregnancy From Rape Similar To 'Having A Baby Out Of Wedlock'

[JaggerCommaMick]

Republicans are completely out of touch with reality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/tom-smith-rape_n_1834234.html

Tom Smith, GOP Senate Candidate: Pregnancy From Rape Similar To 'Having A Baby Out Of Wedlock'


Mate, these are like 70 year old men from the middle of nowhere. None of the nonsense they are spouting to get elected in Bumpkinville has anything to do with policy pertinent to your federal government. And yet it's the only thing you seem capable of focusing on. You never discuss substantive topics, but rather engage in trite and frivolous partisan bickering over inconsequential matters.

Why disrespect your country like that mate? Further, why advertise your ignorance in such a way? Further more and most simply, why waste your time?

Attacking the far religious right over things that bare no relevance to national politics seems to be all you are capable of. Mate, indeed you are completely barren both of personality, sensibility, and intelligence.

You know there are twice as many soldiers in Afghanistan today than there were the day Obama took office? I suppose you only oppose war when the people who think for you (Democrat politicians) tell you u to pipe up about it. When the President changes and they tell you to shut up and sit down, you do so accordingly. You dumb monkey. What about the fact that medicare/aid is on the immediate path to insolvency, as is social security. Where are your ideas, mate? Where are your ideas? What are your proposals? When your sheperds tell you to oppose cuts, you blindly yell your opposition. Counter proposals? Oh, you can't be bothered to think about that. You're too stupid. You don't know anything, you're just trying to 'compete for fun' against Republicans. You're too stupid, Sarcastic, and you're too feminine, and you whine all the time about race. You're hypocritical, you're short on input, you're a follower, and you're a fa ggot.

What are your thoughts on tax rates? I suppose you hated the Bush tax cuts when Bush was in office, once Obama extended them you promptly shut your stupid *****ing follower mouth, until election season rolled around and Obama told you it was ok to attack them again. Then you piped back up right on cue.

Sarcastic - You are completely void of principles, analytic ability, fortitude, judgment, reasoning, and male genitals. Please shut the ***** up.

[Balla_Status]

Gulf oil production being halted. As well as drilling. Expect prices to go up.

[JaggerCommaMick]

Republicans are completely out of touch with reality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/tom-smith-rape_n_1834234.html

Tom Smith, GOP Senate Candidate: Pregnancy From Rape Similar To 'Having A Baby Out Of Wedlock'


Also, it's sad that you completely avoided the context here, mate.

He compared pregnancy resulting from rape as similar to out of wedlock pregnancy as both being unplanned. His point seemed to be, which was in response to a question asked of him, that even unplanned pregnancies should not be aborted.


This is completely minor stuff, mates. These people are not advocating rape, they are advocating preservation of a living embryo, regardless of what tragic or regrettable circumstances may have produced it.

The fact that you spend your time manufacturing outrage, and high fiving each other with each harpoon you shoot the way of these old religious blokes, is horrendously pathetic. As young people, you are demonstrating brazen immaturity and lack of awareness about what really matters. This whole political season aint nothin but a sporting contest to the likes of you, mate. You've got your team, and you've picked a rival to hate, and now it's fight fight fight! Even though your time could be much better spent disregarding partisanship, and trying to find solutions that could be widely agreed upon for public improvement. You're too stupid and vacuous for that though, evidently. All you can do is take sides and bicker. And you aren't even the thinkers for your side. Democratic politicians tell you exactly how to think. And then you yell out how grassroots Republicans let their politicians tell them how to think.

It's amazing, Sarcastic, that you can't see what a blatant dumbfi_ick retard you are. Don't you have eyes, man? DON'T YOU HAVE EYES??? You are a puny little bitch without an intelligent thought to provide. I bet you got beat up every day in the school yard, mate, didn't you? That's why you're such a whiny bitch with a bone to pick. You hate everyone successful, you hate everyone who fits in, you hate all the normal people. Can we get a picture of you in that post a pic thread, mate? You just wanna prop up all the underdogs, play all the race cards, cry about all the political incorrectness, because it makes you feel like you're gettin back at the people who were always better than you. Ya pussee little bugger.

[Sarcastic]

Oh, yeah
Oh!

[Verse 1:]
Just shoot for the stars
If it feels right
And aim for my heart
If you feel like
And take me away and make it OK
I swear I'll behave

You wanted control
So we waited
I put on a show
Now I make it
You say I'm a kid
My ego is big
I don't give a shit
And it goes like this

[Chorus:]
Take me by the tongue
And I'll know you
Kiss me 'til you're drunk
And I'll show you

All the moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger

I don't need to try to control you
Look into my eyes and I'll own you

With them moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger

[Verse 2:]
Maybe it's hard
When you feel like you're broken and scarred
Nothing feels right
But when you're with me
I'll make you believe
That I've got the key

Oh
So get in the car
We can ride it
Wherever you want
Get inside it
And you want to steer
But I'm shifting gears
I'll take it from here (Oh! Yeah yeah!)
And it goes like this (Uh)

[Chorus:]
Take me by the tongue
And I'll know you (Uh)
Kiss me 'til you're drunk
And I'll show you

All the moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger

I don't need to try to control you (Oh, yeah)
Look into my eyes and I'll own you

With them moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger (Yeah yeah)
I've got the moves like Jagger

[Bridge:]
You wanna know how to make me smile
Take control, own me just for the night
And if I share my secret
You're gonna have to keep it
Nobody else can see this

So watch and learn
I won't show you twice
Head to toe, oooh baby rub me right
But if I share my secret
You're gonna have to keep it
Nobody else can see this (Ay! Ay! Ay! Aaay!)

And it goes like this

[Chorus:]
Take me by the tongue (Take me by the tongue)
And I'll know you
Kiss me 'til you're drunk
And I'll show you (Yeah yeah yeah!)

All the moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger
(Oh, yeah)
I don't need to try to control you
Look into my eyes and I'll own you

With them moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger
I've got the moves like Jagger



Don't you have any new auditions coming up, so you can start a new gimmick? This one is getting old.


What will you do if Obamacare is overturned and you aren't covered under your daddy's healthcare anymore?

[JaggerCommaMick]

Don't you have any new auditions coming up, so you can start a new gimmick? This one is getting old.


What will you do if Obamacare is overturned and you aren't covered under your daddy's healthcare anymore?


Printed lyrics and incoherent non sequiturs are all you have to offer up when someone asks you about specifics that require answers you can't clip out of an article or get from a pundit on MSNBC? Some informed contributor to America you are, mate. Yeah, get Tod Akin! Get that other dude! Throw in some actual input about real problems America is facing that can't be denied away! Wait! Forget that part, because you're too stupid! You aren't capable! You're a Femocrat sheep! You have no personal opinions except "thats racist!" You're a bloody wanker that gets every one of his opinions from a group that is only telling you to think in such a way to support its own hegemony, but you're too stupid to realize it! So you repeat everything they tell you to! You fight and bicker uselessly because it's the only way YOU can be useful!

How utterly pathetic. What a numbskull.

[Patrick Chewing]

Republicans are completely out of touch with reality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/tom-smith-rape_n_1834234.html

Tom Smith, GOP Senate Candidate: Pregnancy From Rape Similar To 'Having A Baby Out Of Wedlock'


One man. Not Republicans.

[Sarcastic]

Printed lyrics and incoherent non sequiturs are all you have to offer up when someone asks you about specifics that require answers you can't clip out of an article or get from a pundit on MSNBC? Some informed contributor to America you are, mate. Yeah, get Tod Akin! Get that other dude! Throw in some actual input about real problems America is facing that can't be denied away! Wait! Forget that part, because you're too stupid! You aren't capable! You're a Femocrat sheep! You have no personal opinions except "thats racist!" You're a bloody wanker that gets every one of his opinions from a group that is only telling you to think in such a way to support its own hegemony, but you're too stupid to realize it! So you repeat everything they tell you to! You fight and bicker uselessly because it's the only way YOU can be useful!

How utterly pathetic. What a numbskull.


And what are you doing to help contribute to this country, other than collect food stamps, and ask daddy for help with your credit card bills?

[JaggerCommaMick]

And what are you doing to help contribute to this country, other than collect food stamps, and ask daddy for help with your credit card bills?


Yeah mate I get it, you're pretending to insist you think I'm someone I aint, in order to avoid owning up to your pathetic status as partisan footsoldier. Politicians hand you some verbal ammo and you run to the frontline and start firing, without a single thought passing through your head.

This makes a loser like you feel accepted. This makes a loser like you feel superior. You don't even care that you are contributing nothing to your country. You don't even care that you are easily being distracted by partisan diversion tactics. You don't even care that you are a pawn to politicians who realize that as long as they stir up hatred of Republicans in you, then you will keep electing them. Republican politicians do the same thing. You and the Republican base are bloody equals, mate. You haven't said a useful thing about policy in all the time I've been here. All you do is cheer and wave pom poms for anyone with a (D) and take snipers aim at anyone with an (R) even if they aint otherwise distinguishable from a (D).

You're too stupid to participate, mate. You need to just step out of the arena for a moment, gain some perspective, some experience, some gonads. You shouldn't be participating, mate, when your voice hasn't even changed yet. I grant you, it's unlikely you'll ever be intelligent enough to provide anything of consequence in the way of idears and intellectualism, but at least if you wait for your iQ to double, you might be smart enough to realize how dumb you sound every time you pipe up, and consequently just stay silent which is best for all involved, most notably America itself.

[LosLakers]

Yeah mate I get it, you're pretending to insist you think I'm someone I aint, in order to avoid BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Obama might suck, BUT Romney is an Oddball himself. He believes this stuff. FOR REALS. Elohim of Planet Kolob. wow. :bowdown: :bowdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg2bxBHbsIU&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOzp5q58fz4&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dts67Uk45zA&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkZWts_BUwQ&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju77qqMKpAY&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1fbZ_FeC-E&feature=channel&list=UL

:wtf: :biggums:

[FillJackson]

Mate, these are like 70 year old men from the middle of nowhere. None of the nonsense they are spouting to get elected in Bumpkinville has anything to do with policy pertinent to your federal government.

This is the Republican Senate Candidate for the 6th biggest state in the US.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19062797.jpg

[Sarcastic]

Yeah mate I get it, you're pretending to insist you think I'm someone I aint, in order to avoid owning up to your pathetic status as partisan footsoldier. Politicians hand you some verbal ammo and you run to the frontline and start firing, without a single thought passing through your head.

This makes a loser like you feel accepted. This makes a loser like you feel superior. You don't even care that you are contributing nothing to your country. You don't even care that you are easily being distracted by partisan diversion tactics. You don't even care that you are a pawn to politicians who realize that as long as they stir up hatred of Republicans in you, then you will keep electing them. Republican politicians do the same thing. You and the Republican base are bloody equals, mate. You haven't said a useful thing about policy in all the time I've been here. All you do is cheer and wave pom poms for anyone with a (D) and take snipers aim at anyone with an (R) even if they aint otherwise distinguishable from a (D).

You're too stupid to participate, mate. You need to just step out of the arena for a moment, gain some perspective, some experience, some gonads. You shouldn't be participating, mate, when your voice hasn't even changed yet. I grant you, it's unlikely you'll ever be intelligent enough to provide anything of consequence in the way of idears and intellectualism, but at least if you wait for your iQ to double, you might be smart enough to realize how dumb you sound every time you pipe up, and consequently just stay silent which is best for all involved, most notably America itself.


All the time you've been here? You've only been here for a month. In that time I haven't said much regarding politics, so how would you know my political positions?

Face it. You've spent the last few months dancing by yourself to Maroon 5 in your daddy's basement, and decided to make a troll account based on a stupid song, then tried to research a British accent by watching Crocodile Dundee movies.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

All the time you've been here? You've only been here for a month. In that time I haven't said much regarding politics, so how would you know my political positions?

Face it. You've spent the last few months dancing by yourself to Maroon 5 in your daddy's basement, and decided to make a troll account based on a stupid song, then tried to research a British accent by watching Crocodile Dundee movies.
ouch

[InspiredLebowski]

Matthew Berry, the ESPN fantasy idiot, wrote Crocodile Dundee 2.

[rufuspaul]

tried to research a British accent by watching Crocodile Dundee movies.


Wouldn't that be an Australian accent?

[KevinNYC]

I'm kind of digging this stage with the video screens

Saw Ann Romney's speech. Crowd was into it, but super-enthusiastic.

Doesn't seem like they are really charged up like previous years.

[KevinNYC]

Chris Christie just name-checked Bruce Springsteen at a Republican convention.

Where's that facepalm gif.

He's not getting giant responses from the crowd either. Some seats on the sides of the stage are empty, but there should be enough folks there to raise some noise.......anyone know if that is a quiet arena?

[KevinNYC]

Wow, this is ugly. (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/cnn-republican-convention-black-camerawoman.php?ref=fpnewsfeed)

[KevinNYC]

I'm kind of wondering what medication Romney is on. When they show him in the reaction shots listening to the speeches, he looks like he's in pain.

Looks like he's wincing through back pain.

[KevinNYC]

The backdrop looks awesome during the end of Chris Christie's speech.

Also some poltical convention trivia. I just learned about the 1924 Democratic Convention in NYC was known as the KLANBAKE and there were riots between the Ku Klux Klan and anti-Klan forces on the convention floor.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z266/danos714/coool.gif

http://www.xtimeline.com/evt/view.aspx?id=125047

Klan delegates played a significant role at the path-setting 1924 Democratic National Convention in New York City, often called the "Klanbake Convention." The convention initially pitted Klan-backed candidate William Gibbs McAdoo against Catholic New York Governor Al Smith. After days of stalemates and rioting, both candidates withdrew in favor of a compromise. Klan delegates defeated a Democratic Party platform plank that would have condemned their organization. On July 4, 1924, thousands of Klansmen celebrated victory on a nearby field in New Jersey by burning effigies of Smith and by burning crosses.

[KevinNYC]

Was Christie trying to help Romney tonight or was he launched his 2016?

He didn't mention Romney at all for the whole first half of his speech.

[Sarcastic]

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/romney.gif

[KevinNYC]

Ron Paul still causing Romney headaches (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-a-momentary-ron-paul-revolt-at-the-gop-convention/2012/08/28/71f4ba56-f14f-11e1-892d-bc92fee603a7_story.html)

[QUOTE]Delegates were finding their seats on the floor of the Republican National Convention on Tuesday when a commotion broke out in the back corner, near the Maine contingent.

Delegates and audience members erupted into chants of

[KevinNYC]

So the only speaker from the Bush - Cheney Administration is Condoleeza Rice.
Can anyone guess why that is?

Also I just googled her to see if I could find out the subject of her speech which I assume is foreign policy (personally I don't think it's her strong suit.) and I just fought that that Code Pink tried to arrest her for War Criimes on Tuesday.

[InspiredLebowski]

Unless I missed it, there wasn't one mention of either war.

[KevinNYC]

Wow, this is ugly. (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/cnn-republican-convention-black-camerawoman.php?ref=fpnewsfeed)

More details on the ugliness (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/29/two-people-removed-from-rnc-after-taunting-black-camera-operator/). CNN and the RNC have confirmed this occurred.


Two people were removed from the Republican National Convention Tuesday after they threw nuts at an African-American CNN camera operator and said, “This is how we feed animals.”

Multiple witnesses observed the exchange and RNC security and police immediately removed the two people from the Tampa Bay Times Forum.

The convention released a statement saying, “Two attendees tonight exhibited deplorable behavior. Their conduct was inexcusable and unacceptable. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated."

CNN also acknowledged the incident, saying, "CNN can confirm there was an incident directed at an employee inside the Tampa Bay Times Forum earlier this afternoon. CNN worked with convention officials to address this matter and will have no further comment.”

[TheAnchorman]

Christie 16... there were rumors he didn't want to accept the VP nomination because he didn't have enough faith that Rmoney would win this year. So if that's the case one can see this speech was a way of propping himself up for 2016 if Romney loses.

[KevinNYC]

Christie 16... there were rumors he didn't want to accept the VP nomination because he didn't have enough faith that Rmoney would win this year. So if that's the case one can see this speech was a way of propping himself up for 2016 if Romney loses.


Christie didn't mention Romney for 16 minutes.

The local papers are pointing that out.
[QUOTE]Chris Christie adamantly defended his high-profile Republican National Convention speech that drew criticism for not mentioning Mitt Romney for the first 16 minutes.

Christie was tapped to give the keynote address, which normally makes the case for the nominee

[no pun intended]

Clint Eastwood is speaking at the RNC. Leno was right.

But as Maher said last night, “Clint Eastwood? Oh, please. You know, I’m such a fan of his movies. Don’t ruin it for me.”

I'd have to agree with him.

[TheMan]

I really really dislike this GOP party. A bunch of backward thinking elites.

If you are working class and vote Republican, you need to get your head checked.

[no pun intended]

So Taylor Hicks is performing before Mitt Romney's acceptance speech, but he implies that he's not voting for him :lol

[no pun intended]

How does Romney deflect the criticism concerning him not releasing his tax returns?

He claims that Obama is trying digress from the economic issues by attacking his refusal to release his tax returns because he didn't force the issue on McCain back in '08. Really?

The only reason people are asking for them is that his net worth is $250 million, as compared to McCain's $21 million.

[L.Kizzle]

Republican Convention is boring besides the Clint Eastwood cameo.

[KingBeasley08]

Republican Convention is boring besides the Clint Eastwood cameo.
clint eastwood :bowdown:

[L.Kizzle]

clint eastwood :bowdown:
Would be a fail if not for the actor. I wonder who Obama has up his sleeves (though he can give a great speech on his own.)

[kentatm]

soooo......

the Republicans attacked Obama relentlessly for being too much of a celebrity and 4 years later they have friggin Clint Eastwood do a Vaudeville act at their convention?

:facepalm :rolleyes: :oldlol:

[ClutchOver9000]

god, Romney is such a bore... :sleeping

[KevinNYC]

I hoping next week the Democrats bring out
http://images3.cinema.de/imedia/5722/1945722,yclV0JryrnrrvfDuNO_NYRiSMlcozjyT5wpxP95fyX 7LUiAqkAXxkJMsmuoJYNQHtGeAMcKK97fbpLbH+rGI6g==.jpg

[KevinNYC]

Does this sound quiet to any one else? I'm wondering if it's the arena. Even when he talked about repealing Obamacare--red meat for that audience--it just didn't sound all that loud.

[-p.tiddy-]

I think they did a really good job...

[-p.tiddy-]

Does this sound quiet to any one else? I'm wondering if it's the arena. Even when he talked about repealing Obamacare--red meat for that audience--it just didn't sound all that loud.
Just you...everything loud and clear to me.

[Jello]

How does Romney deflect the criticism concerning him not releasing his tax returns?

He claims that Obama is trying digress from the economic issues by attacking his refusal to release his tax returns because he didn't force the issue on McCain back in '08. Really?

The only reason people are asking for them is that his net worth is $250 million, as compared to McCain's $21 million.
:lol or for political attacks utilizing class warfare vilifying romney and the rich instead of criticizing the tax code.

[kentatm]

Just you...everything loud and clear to me.


no, I agree with him. He is talking about the crowd. It didn't sound nearly as loud as in 08.

[-p.tiddy-]

no, I agree with him. He is talking about the crowd. It didn't sound nearly as loud as in 08.
Oh gotcha

[knickballer]

Republic or democrat it don't matter.. We'll still be in wars, still have the war on drugs, still spend huge amounts on defense spending, still be run by the financial elite who obviously run the control, have laws which hinder personal rights + safety, baby Israel, scrutinize Iraq, control foreign economies, etc..

But we might see Abortion get legalized and possibly if lucky see same-sex marriage be legalized. Basically have stupid laws + concerns that doesn't affect anyone get glorified as most Americans seem to not give a shit about any real issues.

[KevinNYC]

no, I agree with him. He is talking about the crowd. It didn't sound nearly as loud as in 08.

I was looking for even when it seemed like the whole crowd was cheering.

Yeah, this sounded louder to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCDxXJSucF4

I wonder if it's the arena.

[KevinNYC]

So not only the Clint Eastwood thing completely bizarre and will probably be more talked about than Romney's speech, it also knocked the biography video of Romney off prime time.

So we got the wierd line up up

Bio video
Clint Eastwood
Marco Rubio then
Mitt Romney

The video was really nicely done, but they totally killed the impact of it.
In addition to stepping on the impact of the video, they ensured less people would see it.

[no pun intended]

And the Democrats have Eva Longoria speaking for them.

[ClutchOver9000]

So not only the Clint Eastwood thing completely bizarre and will probably be more talked about than Romney's speech, it also knocked the biography video of Romney off prime time.

So we got the wierd line up up

Bio video
Clint Eastwood
Marco Rubio then
Mitt Romney

The video was really nicely done, but they totally killed the impact of it.
In addition to stepping on the impact of the video, they ensured less people would see it.

what exactly happened w/ Clint Eastwood? I didnt catch his monologue or w/e it was...

[KevinNYC]

what exactly happened w/ Clint Eastwood? I didnt catch his monologue or w/e it was...

He brought an invisible Obama on stage. The invisible Obama then proceeded to tell Mitt Romney to go **** himself. Luckily, only Clint could hear him and he didn't repeat the invisible Obama's words.


I'm not kidding.

[ClutchOver9000]

He brought an invisible Obama on stage. The invisible Obama then proceeded to tell Mitt Romney to go **** himself. Luckily, only Clint could hear him and he didn't repeat the invisible Obama's words.


I'm not kidding.

:lol looks like I missed out. I'll try to catch it on youtube or something...sounds like it'll be strangely amusing...lol

[RedBlackAttack]

He brought an invisible Obama on stage. The invisible Obama then proceeded to tell Mitt Romney to go **** himself. Luckily, only Clint could hear him and he didn't repeat the invisible Obama's words.


I'm not kidding.
He also bore a striking resemblance to one Dr. Emmett Brown while rambling and muttering to himself.

Not a good look for an American icon.

[KevinNYC]

:lol looks like I missed out. I'll try to catch it on youtube or something...sounds like it'll be strangely amusing...lol
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-clint-eastwood-gop-speech-20120830,0,4300194.story

[ClutchOver9000]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-clint-eastwood-gop-speech-20120830,0,4300194.story

repped :cheers:

[ClutchOver9000]

Ok just finished watching, all I gotta say is ouch...lol...that was cringe-worthy.

Clint, what were you thinking? And the part w/ him sniding Obama for prolonging the war in Afghanistan...talk about awkward. Guess he forgot he was speaking on behalf of the GOP...

[KevinNYC]

Ok just finished watching, all I gotta say is ouch...lol...that was cringe-worthy.

Clint, what were you thinking? And the part w/ him sniding Obama for prolonging the war in Afghanistan...talk about awkward. Guess he forgot he was speaking on behalf of the GOP...

Yeah, when it was on live, I couldn't watch it, because I didn't want to see Clint that way. I didn't even see the worst parts live.

It kind of felt like an Andy Kaufman bit. Also it followed the campaign bio film. So it felt even more weird when it started to get rambling

The folks on MSNBC was saying it was a bit of campaign malpractice, not to use Clint in a better way and have him stay to a tight script. Maybe they just got starstruck. When the actor has more power than the director or the producer, you wind up with stuff like this often. It also messed up the single hour they have been devoting months of work towards.



https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/241392153148915712

What a G

Yeah, they have been really trying to steal the other team's thunder this time around. It feels they are pulling stunts way more often than last time. The Obama's going to take questions on Redditt thing fits into this as well.

[KevinNYC]

As for the Afghanistan thing, McCain's old campaign manager from 2008 is now the Republican insider commenter on MSNBC and he pointed out that Mitt mentioned it only once. He said that shows more than ever it's time to bring those troops home.

[KevinNYC]

It kind of felt like an Andy Kaufman bit.

Actually Bob Newhart has tweeted that Clint was doing him. (https://twitter.com/BobNewhart/status/241379217986707457)

Newhart made a career of doing one half of a telephone call, such a security guard on his first night, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Oh1SI9lbs#t=66s

[Take Your Lumps]

How does Romney deflect the criticism concerning him not releasing his tax returns?

Because **** you. That's why.

[Jailblazers7]

Stopped watching the Clint Eastwood speech after he said he doesn't like the idea of lawyers becoming President.

[kentatm]

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/d714d057.jpg

[TheMan]

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/d714d057.jpg
lol

I love Clint Eastwood and I missed his speech on purpose, I don't wanna hate him. I'll ignore his politics and focus on his amazing films instead.

[KevinNYC]

lol

I love Clint Eastwood and I missed his speach on purpose, I don't wanna hate him. I'll ignore his politics and focus on his amazing films instead.


Probably a good choice.

Meanwhile, Romney's aides are spening their day today doing this (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/us/politics/romney-aides-scratch-their-heads-over-eastwoods-speech.html)

[QUOTE] Clint Eastwood

[RedBlackAttack]

I find it ironic that the party who has spent an infinite amount of time over the last decade chastising their opponents for focusing on celebrity and not real leaders while also making fun of Hollywood as stupid, elitist know-nothings, chose to cart out a movie star for one of the most important time slots of a political convention, while the crowd vigorously ate up everything he said regardless of how bizarre it may have been.

Oh, and the person that they look to as the moral and political compass of the party was an actor all of his life and was considered a joke of a politician until a meteoric rise to power in the Republican party.

Seems like their side is actually the more celebrity-obsessed of the two... It just happens that they have a much smaller selection of celebrity friends to team up with. But, when they use celebrity to their advantage... they really go all out with it.

Can you imagine those in charge choosing to send Jack Nicholson out for an impromptu, off-the-cuff spectacle in the most critical final hour of the DNC? I can't.

Republicans...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukcdv0BKKVk

:facepalm

[crisoner]

The GOP is really out of touch.

I just can not relate to them. They seem so backwards in their thoughts...and come on they tried to push Sarah Palin on us?

Stick to talking points about how less government would help the middle class. And focus on that instead of damning women, minorities, the environment, public schools etc.

I'm like the rest of the population my age...the GOP is such a joke.

[RedBlackAttack]

The GOP is really out of touch.

I just can not relate to them. They seem so backwards in their thoughts...and come on they tried to push Sarah Palin on us?

Stick to talking points about how less government would help the middle class. And focus on that instead of damning women, minorities, the environment, public schools etc.

I'm like the rest of the population my age...the GOP is such a joke.
They seem so... just spiteful and mean-spirited right now. There are actually some conservative policies that I can relate to, but that party is in a bad place unless you are very rich.

[Jailblazers7]

They seem so... just spiteful and mean-spirited right now. There are actually some conservative policies that I can relate to, but that party is in a bad place unless you are very rich.

I think the party has put itself in a precarious situation with the way it has shaped the opinions of Republican voters. They have pigeon-holed themselves into a specific type of character and it is becoming increasingly difficult to stray from the image they have built. I don't think it is a sustainable position.

[RedBlackAttack]

I think the party has put itself in a precarious situation with the way it has shaped the opinions of Republican voters. They have pigeon-holed themselves into a specific type of character and it is becoming increasingly difficult to stray from the image they have built. I don't think it is a sustainable position.
It's not. They are going to eventually have to adopt a broader set of positions that include more cooperation if they want to survive. That tent is getting smaller and smaller.

[Luke Skywalker]

I find it ironic that the party who has spent an infinite amount of time over the last decade chastising their opponents for focusing on celebrity and not real leaders while also making fun of Hollywood as stupid, elitist know-nothings, chose to cart out a movie star for one of the most important time slots of a political convention, while the crowd vigorously ate up everything he said regardless of how bizarre it may have been.

Oh, and the person that they look to as the moral and political compass of the party was an actor all of his life and was considered a joke of a politician until a meteoric rise to power in the Republican party.

Seems like their side is actually the more celebrity-obsessed of the two... It just happens that they have a much smaller selection of celebrity friends to team up with. But, when they use celebrity to their advantage... they really go all out with it.

Can you imagine those in charge choosing to send Jack Nicholson out for an impromptu, off-the-cuff spectacle in the most critical final hour of the DNC? I can't.

Republicans...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukcdv0BKKVk

:facepalm
I felt the same way, it's pretty sad.

[Heilige]

They seem so... just spiteful and mean-spirited right now. There are actually some conservative policies that I can relate to, but that party is in a bad place unless you are very rich.


Totally agree with you. I was wondering what did you think of Condi's speech?

[RedBlackAttack]

Totally agree with you. I was wondering what did you think of Condi's speech?
She's sharp. Very polished politician and a pretty good public speaker. I'd say her and Rubio were probably the best speakers of the convention.

I absolutely cringe every time the Bush administration takes credit for OBL getting killed, though. It is as though they cannot give this guy any credit for anything. So childish.

I mean, maybe things that they did while in office did help lead to his ultimate death, but just be content in knowing that, trust that people realize these things don't just happen over night and tip your cap to the president for making what was a pretty tough call and making a concerted effort to focus energy on killing/capturing him.

It just goes back to my previous statement about the party being so completely spiteful on every issue. Condi isn't even close to the worst offender and I actually like her in general, but damn... This pettiness is getting ridiculous.


To sum it up, Condi is one of the few bright spots in that party right now. She is smart, very politically savvy and it doesn't hurt that she is a minority and a woman for a party whose in dire need of credibility and the appearance of compassion in those two areas.

[Balla_Status]

How about we give neither president credit for taking out OBL. Oh and if you want to go that route, don't blame everything bad that happens on Bush. Seems to be a recurring event among Obama supporters...also childish.

Haven't watched any of the political convention but I can only assume it's just the same ol' BS.

[Jailblazers7]

The biggest problem I have is with blaming Obama for the economy, especially considering the events that lead up to the crash. Obama has essentially been in damage control mode with regards to the economy for his entire term and a lot of the claims being made against him with regard to the economy aren't true.

And honestly, the president who gets credit for killing Osama should mean very little to everyone.

[Jello]

The biggest problem I have is with blaming Obama for the economy, especially considering the events that lead up to the crash. Obama has essentially been in damage control mode with regards to the economy for his entire term and a lot of the claims being made against him with regard to the economy aren't true.

And honestly, the president who gets credit for killing Osama should mean very little to everyone.
Then you should agree that Bush isn't to blame for the economy either.

[Jailblazers7]

Then you should agree that Bush isn't to blame for the economy either.

Never said he was, altho the political system did play a role in it all in more than one way.

[Balla_Status]

The biggest problem I have is with blaming Obama for the economy, especially considering the events that lead up to the crash. Obama has essentially been in damage control mode with regards to the economy for his entire term and a lot of the claims being made against him with regard to the economy aren't true.

And honestly, the president who gets credit for killing Osama should mean very little to everyone.

I can agree with 90% of this notion. I don't agree with the steps taken by Obama but this is a pretty fair analysis.

[JaggerCommaMick]

Never said he was, altho the political system did play a role in it all in more than one way.


How, mate?

Do you want your government to set up another bloated bureaucratic agency to determine who gets approved for a mortgage? Or who is allowed to start a business? With government regulation comes favoritism, bribery, nepotism, corruption etc.

Banks lent too freely, individuals borrowed too liberally for houses more expensive than what they really needed. Thats their problem, mate. Not everyone got screwed by the recession. Some businesses and individuals showed restraint while others were getting carried away, and ultimately had to bail the rest out with what theyd earned.

Thats bollocks, mate. Problem with you is that you listen to Democratic politicians when they tell you individuals shouldnt be bothered with responsibility, discipline, values, understanding, consequences and so forth. Thats so mean and cold! Why cant the government just like, take care of everyone, man! Thatd be so groovy, huh mate! Its all just so simple, subsidize intelligence and initiative with goverment programs and handouts. That way anyone who dont feel like takin care of themself dont have to. Boy with that kind of incentive mate, just imagine what a country you'll have in 20 years. Maybe you'll have a glorious paradise comparable to Russia, or Cuba.

You know, because life shouldnt require you to pay attention and strive. It shouldnt require personal fortitude. Thats republican talk. It should be a government run welfare state built on class warfare, race/guilt mongering, apathy, collectivism, and anti-corporate sentiment. Now thats good ol fashion democrat talk, mate!

[no pun intended]

Never said he was, altho the political system did play a role in it all in more than one way.
I blame the government for its weak dollar policy.

I blame the people for overinvesting in houses and other commodities due to the weak dollar policy.

[Jello]

Never said he was, altho the political system did play a role in it all in more than one way.
Then you see the democrats giving soundbite answers on what caused the crisis. "Bush did it" "Reaganomics did it" but wait, the economy is complex and there is no easy way to fix it.

[Jailblazers7]

Then you see the democrats giving soundbite answers on what caused the crisis. "Bush did it" "Reaganomics did it" but wait, the economy is complex and there is no easy way to fix it.

I dont agree with the Democrat soundbites either. I just get more exposure to Republican sound bites which isnt always fair but just the way it is sometimes.

[Dolphin]

How, mate?

Do you want your government to set up another bloated bureaucratic agency to determine who gets approved for a mortgage? Or who is allowed to start a business? With government regulation comes favoritism, bribery, nepotism, corruption etc.

Banks lent too freely, individuals borrowed too liberally for houses more expensive than what they really needed. Thats their problem, mate. Not everyone got screwed by the recession. Some businesses and individuals showed restraint while others were getting carried away, and ultimately had to bail the rest out with what theyd earned.

Thats bollocks, mate. Problem with you is that you listen to Democratic politicians when they tell you individuals shouldnt be bothered with responsibility, discipline, values, understanding, consequences and so forth. Thats so mean and cold! Why cant the government just like, take care of everyone, man! Thatd be so groovy, huh mate! Its all just so simple, subsidize intelligence and initiative with goverment programs and handouts. That way anyone who dont feel like takin care of themself dont have to. Boy with that kind of incentive mate, just imagine what a country you'll have in 20 years. Maybe you'll have a glorious paradise comparable to Russia, or Cuba.

You know, because life shouldnt require you to pay attention and strive. It shouldnt require personal fortitude. Thats republican talk. It should be a government run welfare state built on class warfare, race/guilt mongering, apathy, collectivism, and anti-corporate sentiment. Now thats good ol fashion democrat talk, mate!

Hello, is that you, Paul Ryan? :roll:

[JaggerCommaMick]

Hello, is that you, Paul Ryan? :roll:


No, mate, I aint Paul Ryan although we see many things similarly. However I've felt that way well before I even knew who the bloke was.

When immigrants arrived in Amerca, mate, they didnt clamor for this entitlement and that. They were escaping oppressive governments with depressed economies. They made their own living. Contrary to Democrats' beliefs, many in fact did build businesses themself.

Paul Ryan has the type of attitude that builds nations. Barack Obama has the type of attitude that turns them to Greece.

[JaggerCommaMick]

Quick addendum mates I agree presidents have virtually no impact on the economy, good or bad. Governments have some, but in America it aint a whole lot, and Congress is whats responsible for the legislation anyhow. But the way President Obama positions himself philosophically is exactly what leads to meltdowns like Greece.

[Dolphin]

No, mate, I aint Paul Ryan although we see many things similarly. However I've felt that way well before I even knew who the bloke was.

When immigrants arrived in Amerca, mate, they didnt clamor for this entitlement and that. They were escaping oppressive governments with depressed economies. They made their own living. Contrary to Democrats' beliefs, many in fact did build businesses themself.

Paul Ryan has the type of attitude that builds nations. Barack Obama has the type of attitude that turns them to Greece.

Not taking sides, but you realize there are TWO sides to everything, right? What you say may have truth to it, but can you accept there's a reason things such as regulations, unions, etc. were created? And if you do accept there were/are legitimate reasons for their existence, then why do you think going extremely far in the opposite direction is a positive step?

I'm not saying one of Dem/Rep, liberal/conservative, etc. is better than the other. I'm just posing a question hopefully you will want to answer. I enjoy theory.

[JaggerCommaMick]

Not taking sides, but you realize there are TWO sides to everything, right? What you say may have truth to it, but can you accept there's a reason things such as regulations, unions, etc. were created? And if you do accept there were/are legitimate reasons for their existence, then why do you think going extremely far in the opposite direction is a positive step?

I'm not saying one of Dem/Rep, liberal/conservative, etc. is better than the other. I'm just posing a question hopefully you will want to answer. I enjoy theory.


Well indeed mate I certainly believe in moderation. Unions were created mate so that a unified group could wield more power than most of its individual members. An ant colony is far more intimidatin than a single ant, aint it! But them ants gotta contend with natural predators from other species. In America, you got laws, you got capitalism, you got democracy. What more does any self respectin bloke need to make a life for himself? These union jacks dont believe in themselves, mate. They see themselves as ants. They dont wanna think, they dont wanna strive, they dont wanna take charge. They just collectivize and squeeze more money from their employers than what theyre each worth individually. Well guess what mate, that cost gets passed onto consumers. We pay more because of bloated union wages. Furthermore mate, what do u think causes outsourcing??? People in other places will work harder for less money. If ol Bill Businessowner sticks with employin ol Union Jack, his competitor will outsource and crush him.

These days, mate, in big cities and neighborhood communities, nobody wants to be critical of anyone else, because its awkward when u see em at the mall. Thats why standards and principles are more easily kept in rural areas. In metro areas, mate, nobody wants to be the bad guy, pointing out when individuals are slackin off, actin a fool, bein lazy, bein stupid. Nobody wants to be that guy mTe so people just let things slide. Try lettin some homeless beggars camp outside the barn of some farmer breakin his back sun up to sun down. But in cities, mate, people dont wanna be the one being seen chastizin the bum. Its cowardice, its passin the buck. Ooh yeah, tolerance, mate! Makes a bloke feel so righteous and superior. Oh, you'll tolerate a mendicant peeing in the street? Well Ill raise you tolerance of shitting in the street! And if you try and criticize, mate, well then youre nothin but a bigot. Youre just a square who wants rules, ya aint a hip progressive intellectual like us tolerators. Guess wht, you gonna tolerate tht piled up shit until it buries you. Why? Because youre soft and gay. Not you, mate, these other blokes and Democrats in general.

Americas problems aint because of politicians, it aint because of CEOs, it aint because of the media. Mate, thats the 1%. well guess what, in a country where everyone gets a vote, a group that makes up 99% of the population are probably the ones responsible for the result. Remember, mate, what got Greece and Spain into trouble were left wing policies. How much more warning do you need?

[JaggerCommaMick]

And you see mate, these are the policies and ideas and philosophies that are important for discussion. You wont see Sarcastic and KevinNYC takin part in this aspect. All they do is pretend to be Rachel Maddow on a message board and do color commentary for a dog and pony show election for which they have a bias as loathesome and base as the chap in the stands of a football match who will fight over team rivalries but he dont know squat about the game.

[kentatm]

How about we give neither president credit for taking out OBL. Oh and if you want to go that route, don't blame everything bad that happens on Bush. Seems to be a recurring event among Obama supporters...also childish.

Haven't watched any of the political convention but I can only assume it's just the same ol' BS.

Sorry but I can't agree with that at all.

When you give the kill order for something that will absolutely become a major international incident if it fails, you get the credit for the results, good or bad.

Bush can't really get any of that glory b/c he foolishly neutered himself on the subject a mere 6 months after 9/11.

"Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

Sorry, but when you lead a nation into two different wars b/c of the actions of a terrorist leader, you don't get to discount him in this way.

You have to remember, we had that rat bastard cornered in Afghanistan and Rumsfeld failed to act b/c he was worried the mission would have backfired.

So when the tough call came down, the man appointed by Bush blinked. Obama did not. It doesn't matter that another President may have made the same call. Rudy Giuliani gets all kinds of credit for the way he handled the aftermath of 9/11 in NYC even though the argument could easily be made he simply did the obviously right things to do. At the end of the day, it does not matter that most rational people would have done the same b/c he was the one making the calls when the shit went down. Reagan gets credit for the fall of the Soviet Union when it was clearly just a matter of time by the early 70s that they were going to eventually fall apart. JFK gets credit for the Cuban Missile Crisis b/c he didn't bend to a bunch of war happy generals even though there would have been many politicians (IMO Nixon included) who would have done the same. That is just how it is. If you make the call, you get the credit. It does not matter if others would have done the same b/c ultimately any failure also gets pinned on that person.

Aside from letting a failed horse breeder be the head of FEMA who went onto **** up Katrina, Rummy letting OBL skip out of Tora Bora b/c he was worried about the repercussions of a failed mission was probably the worst moment of the entire Bush Presidency.

[Blue&Orange]

So... It's Clint Eastwood senile or just Republican? I always have a hard time discerning between the two.

[Dolphin]

Well indeed mate I certainly believe in moderation. Unions were created mate so that a unified group could wield more power than most of its individual members. An ant colony is far more intimidatin than a single ant, aint it! But them ants gotta contend with natural predators from other species. In America, you got laws, you got capitalism, you got democracy. What more does any self respectin bloke need to make a life for himself? These union jacks dont believe in themselves, mate. They see themselves as ants. They dont wanna think, they dont wanna strive, they dont wanna take charge. They just collectivize and squeeze more money from their employers than what theyre each worth individually. Well guess what mate, that cost gets passed onto consumers. We pay more because of bloated union wages. Furthermore mate, what do u think causes outsourcing??? People in other places will work harder for less money. If ol Bill Businessowner sticks with employin ol Union Jack, his competitor will outsource and crush him.

These days, mate, in big cities and neighborhood communities, nobody wants to be critical of anyone else, because its awkward when u see em at the mall. Thats why standards and principles are more easily kept in rural areas. In metro areas, mate, nobody wants to be the bad guy, pointing out when individuals are slackin off, actin a fool, bein lazy, bein stupid. Nobody wants to be that guy mTe so people just let things slide. Try lettin some homeless beggars camp outside the barn of some farmer breakin his back sun up to sun down. But in cities, mate, people dont wanna be the one being seen chastizin the bum. Its cowardice, its passin the buck. Ooh yeah, tolerance, mate! Makes a bloke feel so righteous and superior. Oh, you'll tolerate a mendicant peeing in the street? Well Ill raise you tolerance of shitting in the street! And if you try and criticize, mate, well then youre nothin but a bigot. Youre just a square who wants rules, ya aint a hip progressive intellectual like us tolerators. Guess wht, you gonna tolerate tht piled up shit until it buries you. Why? Because youre soft and gay. Not you, mate, these other blokes and Democrats in general.

Americas problems aint because of politicians, it aint because of CEOs, it aint because of the media. Mate, thats the 1%. well guess what, in a country where everyone gets a vote, a group that makes up 99% of the population are probably the ones responsible for the result. Remember, mate, what got Greece and Spain into trouble were left wing policies. How much more warning do you need?

Your line of thinking directly resulted in unions and such being created. lol

People agreed that the quality of life would increase with such checks and balances. I have yet to be convinced otherwise. BTW, unions annoy me a lot of the time....not necessarily as bad as interests groups, but I don't really have a lot love for unions at all. But I won't turn a blind eye as to why they were created and why they exist. Individualism and unhindered free markets have a plethora of historical failures and atrocities attached to them as well.

The evolution of mercantalism, capitalism, democracy, etc. is pretty fluid from Europe 700 years ago to the present. It is pretty clear when you look at the power relationships between all citizens (from the bottom to the very top) why we have systems that we have today. This fantasy world of everyone for themselves and hard work will always prevail might work in small sample sizes (gee, I wonder why, as you said, it's so "successful" in rural communities), but we are talking about large scale democracies here. If the pros outweighed the cons more times than not, more places than not, why do we find ourselves where we are today? Look at history. Look beyond just American history. There is fluid, chronological evidence for this type of debate.

I will end kinda taking the topic in another direction, but what I feel the biggest problem is....and that is simply that nations such as the US, are just too big for there to be a perfect system. You can enact far right policies to a tee, you can do the opposite, you're still gonna see so many people ****ed over. America is too big to fail, but it's so big it basically feeds of the cannibalization of its own people....then again, with your rhetoric, you seem fine with the dog eat dog way of life.

[JaggerCommaMick]

Your line of thinking directly resulted in unions and such being created. lol

People agreed that the quality of life would increase with such checks and balances. I have yet to be convinced otherwise. BTW, unions annoy me a lot of the time....not necessarily as bad as interests groups, but I don't really have a lot love for unions at all. But I won't turn a blind eye as to why they were created and why they exist. Individualism and unhindered free markets have a plethora of historical failures and atrocities attached to them as well.

The evolution of mercantalism, capitalism, democracy, etc. is pretty fluid from Europe 700 years ago to the present. It is pretty clear when you look at the power relationships between all citizens (from the bottom to the very top) why we have systems that we have today. This fantasy world of everyone for themselves and hard work will always prevail might work in small sample sizes (gee, I wonder why, as you said, it's so "successful" in rural communities), but we are talking about large scale democracies here. If the pros outweighed the cons more times than not, more places than not, why do we find ourselves where we are today? Look at history. Look beyond just American history. There is fluid, chronological evidence for this type of debate.

I will end kinda taking the topic in another direction, but what I feel the biggest problem is....and that is simply that nations such as the US, are just too big for there to be a perfect system. You can enact far right policies to a tee, you can do the opposite, you're still gonna see so many people ****ed over. America is too big to fail, but it's so big it basically feeds of the cannibalization of its own people....then again, with your rhetoric, you seem fine with the dog eat dog way of life.


Mate this is exactly why people in America should favor stronger state policy and less federal policy. The country is too big for a single government to try and involve itself everywhere. The US is an anomaly with its size to quality of life ratio. Other countries its population size are Russia, China, Brazil, Indonesia... places where the scope of federal government breeds corruption. Places like Britain, Ireland, Sweden are often quoted bythe left as socialist paradises. Mate, they barely have the population of Texas alone! Its easier to police people in smaller groups. Its more pleasant in smaller groups. The strongest logical impetus for unity is defense, and the states do federalize that. But most other aspects, they should not. Obviously some broad regulations of interstate commerce etc will need to be agreed upon. Certainly no bloke would advocate eliminating federal government altogether. But using it as a replacement for individual will and initiative sounds great to the short sighted mind, but always ends poorly historically, unless you have small communities that have similar values, principles, ambitions. A huge melting pot liike America is about the worst place for socialism to be attempted.

If states, such as the one Mitt Romney governed, want to agree on healthcare polcies and so forth, then bully for them! Those things will run much, much, much smoother at the state level anyhow! Reliable national healthcare for a country of 330,000,000? Why? Let each state handle it. An intrusive federal government is going to decide how much money you get to keep of hat youve earned so that it can pay for all the jolly obesity across the land? People in Alabama and Wisconson and Connecticut get what you earn from your career over there in Arizona (or wherever)?? Bollocks, mate. Poppycock. These chaps will have no incentive to even try to be healthy. Or get off federal aid. Its on your tab, buddy!

At least at the state level you can tailor plans more closely to what each state needs and each state affords. Trying to model America off tiny European countries, when most of those countries are the size of states? Laughable, mate.

[Dolphin]

Mate this is exactly why people in America should favor stronger state policy and less federal policy. The country is too big for a single government to try and involve itself everywhere. The US is an anomaly with its size to quality of life ratio. Other countries its population size are Russia, China, Brazil, Indonesia... places where the scope of federal government breeds corruption. Places like Britain, Ireland, Sweden are often quoted bythe left as socialist paradises. Mate, they barely have the population of Texas alone! Its easier to police people in smaller groups. Its more pleasant in smaller groups. The strongest logical impetus for unity is defense, and the states do federalize that. But most other aspects, they should not. Obviously some broad regulations of interstate commerce etc will need to be agreed upon. Certainly no bloke would advocate eliminating federal government altogether. But using it as a replacement for individual will and initiative sounds great to the short sighted mind, but always ends poorly historically, unless you have small communities that have similar values, principles, ambitions. A huge melting pot liike America is about the worst place for socialism to be attempted.

No, it's the worst place for any system to be attempted actually. lol

States having more autonomy I can agree with for the most part. Neither Dems or Republicans will deliver that in a meaningful way, however. Also, I say for the most part because how much power do you give the states and where? Economic concerns?, Social? Many concerns are interconnected. What if a state's economic plan doesn't meet the social standards of the federal gov't? I think we can agree that social standards, when we talk about the most basic and important issues, will always be set or guided by the federal gov't. What if a state's economic policies hinder federal trade agreements? Well they won't, because the feds will say "**** you". Basically, even more autonomous states will never have the same potential as small nations.

BTW, Britain has a much larger population than Texas. lol

[JaggerCommaMick]

No, it's the worst place for any system to be attempted actually. lol

States having more autonomy I can agree with for the most part. Neither Dems or Republicans will deliver that in a meaningful way, however. Also, I say for the most part because how much power do you give the states and where? Economic concerns?, Social? Many concerns are interconnected. What if a state's economic plan doesn't meet the social standards of the federal gov't? I think we can agree that social standards, when we talk about the most basic and important issues, will always be set or guided by the federal gov't. What if a state's economic policies hinder federal trade agreements? Well they won't, because the feds will say "**** you". Basically, even more autonomous states will never have the same potential as small nations.

BTW, Britain has a much larger population than Texas. lol


Indeed mate, a balance needs to be struck. But the Democrats in America have just gone off the rails with their collectivist idealism. And the whole thing is based off their insistence that some people should be continuously required to help other people who continuously need help and dont help themselves. In small little countries like Canada and Switzerland, most people are. Aluable to society, so people at the top are more willing to help out, because theres less help needed and they all have more in common. If you want to really be honest, mate, black culture is one of the biggest reasons people in America dont wanna help. Not black skin, black culture. Check all the stats and figures mate, as a community nobody in the developed world touches them as a counterproductive and ludicrous group. They basically turn pockets of America into little pockets of Africa. Domestic violence, illiteracy, crime, teen pregnancy, poverty. Successful people in America are less inclined to help violent criminals who speak ebonics than a bloke in Denmark will be to help a fellow Dane a town away. Thts just the truth. Democrats want to blame the system, the wealthy, the Republican party and so forth, basically everyone but black people, or immigrants, or anyone responsible for their own circumstances. Theyre too soft in the pants mate. They can neither stand up nor put a foot down. It aint in their DNA.

[Balla_Status]

[QUOTE=kentatm]Sorry but I can't agree with that at all.

When you give the kill order for something that will absolutely become a major international incident if it fails, you get the credit for the results, good or bad.

Bush can't really get any of that glory b/c he foolishly neutered himself on the subject a mere 6 months after 9/11.

"Who knows if he