#9 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe Bryant was voted the #8 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

25.4 PPG | 5.3 RPG | 4.7 APG

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[YAWN]

Tim Duncan. /thread

[Sammyp]

Hakeem, sad Kobe's higher :(

[swag2011]

Duncan

[chazzy]

Hakeem

[IGotACoolStory]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1205/tim.duncan.rare.photos/images/duncan-title.jpg

[Suckafree]

Tim!

[StateOfMind12]

Hakeem Olajuwon, the Dream.

[DirtySanchez]

Timmy!!!!!!

4 time champ
2 time MVP

[Rolando]

The Big Fundamental

[ImmortalD24]

Tim Duncan

[millwad]

Hakeem.

Was a better player and played in a better big man era, more skilled on offense and more skilled on defense.

[DirtySanchez]

Hakeem, sad Kobe's higher :(
Yup a Kobe should be infrint of Shaq

[BoutPractice]

ISH, where a 4 time champion as the man, both offensively and defensively, including once with one of the worst supporting casts around a superstar, a 2 time NBA MVP and clear best player in the league multiple years against great competition who has 9 All-NBA first team and 7 All-NBA Defensive first team selections, one of the few individual who could be argued to have played basketball a near perfect-way, resulting in one of the greatest winning percentages in sports history over a 15 year period... is considered at best the 9h greatest player of all-time.

If Duncan is voted number 10 this experiment is officially a failure.
I hope people will start respecting his achievements once he retires, because as of now, the level of appreciation for what he's done is at an all time low.

[Legends66NBA7]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20San%20Antonio%20Spurs/Tim%20Duncan/VS/960706_duncan_against_olajuwon.jpg

It's a showdown for #9.

(Not a vote, just wanted to post that).

[kennethgriffin]

Yup a Kobe should be infrint of Shaq

yea i made them all look pretty bad... they came to their senses but its too late. still a wack list with wilt below bird

i'l say it again

they voted

WILT CHAMBERLAIN

below

Larry Bird

lol

[BuffaloBill]

Tim Duncan already

[bdreason]

Kobe over Duncan and Hakeem; this is where my journey ends.

[YAWN]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20San%20Antonio%20Spurs/Tim%20Duncan/VS/960706_duncan_against_olajuwon.jpg

It's a showdown for #9.

(Not a vote, just wanted to post that).

duncan - 4 rings, 3 finals mvps, 2 mvps, 13x all star, 13x all nba, 13x all d
hakeem - 2 rings, 2 finals mvps, 1 mvp, 12x all star, 12x all nba, 9x all d, 2x DPOY

....

[maybeshewill13]

Timmy

[Horatio33]

Tim Duncan.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe over Duncan and Hakeem; this is where my journey ends.


ok i get shaq having atleast 1 thing over kobe ( his absolute best 1-2 years )

but as for duncan

wtf... kobes peak/longevity/totals all beat duncan

duncan has never been the type of guy to take over a game offensively.. who loses finals mvp to tony parker? kobe would never have to let tony carry him... lol tim wasnt even the real finals mvp in 2005... ginobli had the better finals average in the wins for sanantonio


tims an all time great. top 10. but he was passed by kobe looooong ago

and hes got a "lebron esq" 0.5 ring from 1999

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Kobe over Duncan and Hakeem; this is where my journey ends.

:cheers:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tim Duncan
More accomplished than Hakeem.
4 Titles/3 FMVPs/2 MVPs/9 All-NBA First teams/9 All-Defensive First Teams/13 All-Star Selections

[Lordragoonx1x]

Duncan but really he should have gotten the 8th spot.

[coin24]

Duncan..:cheers:


Kobe haters mad:lol

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Laughing myself into sleep.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Duncan..:cheers:


Kobe haters mad:lol

Don't hate the player. Laugh at the idiots that rank him above better players.

[kennethgriffin]

do tim duncan fans ( well.. he doesnt really have any, or verry few... people just cheer for whoever kobes matched up with )

do any of you realise this ?

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/gweggt.png

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/trwhthj.jpg


and he was TNT player of the decade voted by the fans


where has tim been for the last 5-6 years?

kobes still one of the top 3 players in the nba.. putting his name possibly in a finals mvp conversation down the road

[Rowe]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20San%20Antonio%20Spurs/Tim%20Duncan/VS/960706_duncan_against_olajuwon.jpg

It's a showdown for #9.

(Not a vote, just wanted to post that).

Tim Duncan.

[rmt]

Duncan - 4 rings as the man. Only player on an all-nba and all-defensive team the first 13 years of his career. Highest winning percentage EVER over a 15 year period.

[coin24]

Don't hate the player. Laugh at the idiots that rank him above better players.

Where do you rank him then??:confusedshrug:

I think 8 is about right for now, but I think he can be above Shaq by the time he retires..
I take into account accomplishments, titles, longevity, overall impact on the game..

I have Duncan at 9, Hakeem at 10..

[Noof]

Timothy Theodore Duncan

[Hittin_Shots]

yea i made them all look pretty bad... they came to their senses but its too late. still a wack list with wilt below bird

i'l say it again

they voted

WILT CHAMBERLAIN

below

Larry Bird

lol

You didnt make anyone come to anything you whined hard and all the laker fans voted for Kobe, wouldnt surprise me if multiple of them were the same person also.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

hakeem

[joeyjoejoe]

Duncan

[Harison]

Hakeem

[scandisk_]

http://www.exgeeinteractive.com/dump/duncan-21.jpg

:rockon:

[brownmamba00]

the Dream

[Kews1]

Opens thread, sees Kobe ranked over Duncan.


http://i.qkme.me/72mf.jpg

[Sakkreth]

How is Kobe higher than Duncan, lol.

[arifgokcen]

kobe is not higher than duncan.Duncan resume is more impressive.

[Yung D-Will]

Well the reason Kobe Homers got the chance to vote Kobe so high, was simply because the vote was divided between Duncan and Hakeem pretty evenly.

When it was the Shaq thread, it was nearly unanimous outside of the Kobe homers.

[Punpun]

>8TH PLACE
>HIGH

Oh ****. Trolls are out there in full-force. :yaohappy:

[BruceLeeBowen]

Duncan.
Search the net and you will see lots of result having Kobe higher than 8. Like it or not, media and popularity heavily influences this rankings.

[Rubio2Gasol]

This is a joke.

Hakeem ffs.

[Dragonyeuw]

If you had asked me who was the #8 player today, I probably would have picked Duncan. Honestly I flip between him and Kobe ranking wise every week.

Having said that, gotta go with Duncan here. I feel Hakeem at his peak was the better overall player, but the differences in their abilities isn't as much a gap as the difference in their resume. Duncan has clearly had the more accomplished career and really when I look at his achievements, #9 just seems too low right now.

[raprap]

Tim Duncan


:applause:

[thelucifer69]

do tim duncan fans ( well.. he doesnt really have any, or verry few... people just cheer for whoever kobes matched up with )

do any of you realise this ?

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/gweggt.png

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/trwhthj.jpg


and he was TNT player of the decade voted by the fans


where has tim been for the last 5-6 years?

kobes still one of the top 3 players in the nba.. putting his name possibly in a finals mvp conversation down the road

He plays for Lakers

He's MJ No.2

He's good looking

He's flash

[lakers_forever]

Tim Duncan.

Ojaluwon is overrated.



IMHO, Hakeem had two post-season series in which his entire career was built. He outplayed Ewing in '94, and he pounded Robison in '95 (and Robinson basically matched him in their 42 other H2H's.) And you will never convince me that he outplayed Shaq in the '95 Finals (when Hakeem's TEAMMATES just overwhelmed Shaq's) In fact, Shaq ABUSED Hakeem in the majority of their H2H's. He was only regarded as the best player in the league in ONE season, and only a top-4 player FOUR times in his 18 season career, and in fact, was not even listed as top-10 in EIGHT. He also led his teams to eight first-round exits.



Olajuwon could not make the All NBA FIRST TEAM for 3 straight years in his prim:. 1990, 1991 and 1992, when he was 27, 28 and 29 years old.

Which of Kobe, Duncan, Moses and Shaq also failed to do so? He wasn't considered the consensus best center for a good part of his prime (and it was not like he was battling Kareem and Wilt , it was Ewing and Robinsons for that All nba first team spot in those years).

[INDI]

Tim Duncan

[INDI]

[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]If you had asked me who was the #8 player today, I probably would have picked Duncan. Honestly I flip between him and Kobe ranking wise every week.

Having said that, gotta go with Duncan here. I feel Hakeem at his peak was the better overall player, but the differences in their abilities isn't as much a gap as the difference in their resume. Duncan has clearly had the more accomplished career and really when I look at his achievements, #9 just seems too low right now.[/QUOTE/]

I really don't think where taking into perspective that there are THOUSANDS of players that played in this league. Hundreds of them were really good, about 50 of em were good enough for this spot, and about 20 of em have a good enough resume.


Duncan has always been at 9 to me so this is perfect

[pegasus]

Duncan.

[KOBE143]

The Dream

[INDI]

How is Kobe higher than Duncan, lol.

Better player, better career, more accolades and championships, more praise from other current/former players and coaches. He also edges out duncan gor player of the decade. Pretty easy to answer

[Asiantastic]

Has to be Hakeem. Anything else would be a sham

[Dragonyeuw]

I really don't think where taking into perspective that there are THOUSANDS of players that played in this league. Hundreds of them were really good, about 50 of em were good enough for this spot, and about 20 of em have a good enough resume.


Duncan has always been at 9 to me so this is perfect

Actually I am taking thousands of players into perspective. And you'd be hard-pressed to find 10 better overall players or careers than Tim Duncan. Duncan has as good a case as anyone to be in the 6-9 range. Of course this is all subjective and people have different criteria.

[INDI]

Actually I am taking thousands of players into perspective. And you'd be hard-pressed to find 10 better overall players or careers than Tim Duncan. Duncan has as good a case as anyone to be in the 6-9 range. Of course this is all subjective and people have different criteria.

I gotcha, wasn't trying to insult you, I was just thinking that 9 is pretty good and where he fit best

[Dragonyeuw]

I gotcha, wasn't trying to insult you, I was just thinking that 9 is pretty good and where he fit best

It's cool, I didn't take your comment as an insult. :cheers:

[riseagainst]

Duncan

[Chamberlain]

If you had asked me who was the #8 player today, I probably would have picked Duncan. Honestly I flip between him and Kobe ranking wise every week.

Having said that, gotta go with Duncan here. I feel Hakeem at his peak was the better overall player, but the differences in their abilities isn't as much a gap as the difference in their resume. Duncan has clearly had the more accomplished career and really when I look at his achievements, #9 just seems too low right now.

This.

Tim Duncan.

[Jacks3]

Kobe ahead of Duncan and Hakeem. :biggums:

[jlauber]

I would go with the man who CRUSHED the #2 player in these ridiculous polls H2H in the vast majority of their H2H's, and who dominated the NBA from the late 70's and into the mid-80's, winning THREE FMVPs, a FMVP, and MULITPLE rebounding titles, including one by 5 rpg. He also had a 31-15 season, as well.

Moses "The Kareem Killer" Malone...

[twintowers]

Tim Duncan

[RRR3]

Duncan

[KG215]

Better player, better career, more accolades and championships, more praise from other current/former players and coaches. He also edges out duncan gor player of the decade. Pretty easy to answer
All of the bold are highly debatable, and I'm sure the part about more praise from current and former coaches and players is too. At least don't act like Kobe takes all of those categories no problem.

[Duncan21formvp]

Tim Duncan

[KG215]

You didnt make anyone come to anything you whined hard and all the laker fans voted for Kobe, wouldnt surprise me if multiple of them were the same person also.

But what can you do? I mean it's not like Kobe doesn't have a really strong case for number eight? I mean, personally I think Duncan deserved that spot, but it had gotten to the point where Kobe deserved to get in somewhere. You're right, though. I was tallying the votes last night and I'd say 20-25 of Kobe's votes came from some of the most die-hard Kobe stans and/or Lakers fans.

It is what it is, though. There's just a lot more Lakers fans on here than any other fanbase, so it's going to skew the voting at times.

[SpecialQue]

http://guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Timmay.jpg

[riseagainst]

I would go with the man who CRUSHED the #2 player in these ridiculous polls H2H in the vast majority of their H2H's, and who dominated the NBA from the late 70's and into the mid-80's, winning THREE FMVPs, a FMVP, and MULITPLE rebounding titles, including one by 5 rpg. He also had a 31-15 season, as well.

Moses "The Kareem Killer" Malone...

hey Jlauber, I'm really curious what your top 10 looks like.

[RRR3]

http://guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Timmay.jpg
Timmeh!!

[lilgodfather1]

Well Duncan/Kobe is pretty evenly split to me, I believe I said inseperable in the other thread, so i'm not butthurt like some of you that omg Kobe got put one spot higher than I ranked him!!! Who cares this forum is filled with Kobe stans we all know that, and on top of that there are millions of Lakers fans on here too (Kobe stans are not Laker fans (i'm a fricking poet)).

Tim Duncan...

[po3try]

Timmy D!

[swag2011]

But what can you do? I mean it's not like Kobe doesn't have a really strong case for number eight? I mean, personally I think Duncan deserved that spot, but it had gotten to the point where Kobe deserved to get in somewhere. You're right, though. I was tallying the votes last night and I'd say 20-25 of Kobe's votes came from some of the most die-hard Kobe stans and/or Lakers fans.

It is what it is, though. There's just a lot more Lakers fans on here than any other fanbase, so it's going to skew the voting at times.

See, that's the problem. You're focusing on all the kobe/laker stans. But there is just as much if not more kobe/laker haters voting against him just based on the simple fact that it's him. So if anything, it evens itself out. In reality, if there were so many kobe/laker stans voting for kobe, then he would've been much higher than 8, probably top 5 which would've made yall pissed. But clearly, even the kobe lovers all agree with the general consensus that kobe is 8.

[Vertical-24]

Duncan for the win!

[KG215]

See, that's the problem. You're focusing on all the kobe/laker stans. But there is just as much if not more kobe/laker haters voting against him just based on the simple fact that it's him. So if anything, it evens itself out. In reality, if there were so many kobe/laker stans voting for kobe, then he would've been much higher than 8, probably top 5 which would've made yall pissed. But clearly, even the kobe lovers all agree with the general consensus that kobe is 8.

I have no idea who many non-Kobe votes are by Kobe "haters" but I'm sure you're right, there are some. But at the same time (and I think this was the case for #8) the non-Kobe players are splitting the vote some. When I was tallying and stopped around page 8 or so yesterday, Kobe had 27 votes and Hakeem and Duncan at 14 or 15 apiece. That may have been 28-30 votes by nothing but Kobe haters but the vote was split.

Doesn't really matter, and I don't really care, though, because I don't have a problem with Kobe at 8.

[magictricked]

Duncan then Moses Malone at the 10

[tmacattack33]

Next time there is a vote thread like this, if you want it to be real then take Kobe and Lebron out of it.

[Ne 1]

Hakeem Olajuwon.

[INDI]

All of the bold are highly debatable, and I'm sure the part about more praise from current and former coaches and players is too. At least don't act like Kobe takes all of those categories no problem.

I'm not gonna say he takes all that easy but I think he takes it. The only one debatable if you think he's a better player. The better career and more praise is well documented and goes to Kobe.


Look I know spurs basketball better than anyone on here. From 2001-2004 I lived in San Antonio (this was the height of Duncan's career so that's all people talked about. I been to countless games and I worked down the same road that most of the spurs lived (I worked for target on blanco rd). So I use to have similar conversations with spurs players themselves ( I debated with Malik rose twice).

Back then it was clear that shaq and Duncan had the better career but Kobe has just held on for way longerwith being a top player and won championships aswell with teams on his own back. I agree that Kobe was not the main man on those laker championships but I don't believe he was robin to Shaqs batman. More like batman to Shaqs superman. It's the post shaq era where everyone thought Kobe would just be another sg without shaq and then came out with a vengeance that gives him the slight seperation

[guy]

ok i get shaq having atleast 1 thing over kobe ( his absolute best 1-2 years )

but as for duncan

wtf... kobes peak/longevity/totals all beat duncan

duncan has never been the type of guy to take over a game offensively.. who loses finals mvp to tony parker? kobe would never have to let tony carry him... lol tim wasnt even the real finals mvp in 2005... ginobli had the better finals average in the wins for sanantonio


tims an all time great. top 10. but he was passed by kobe looooong ago

and hes got a "lebron esq" 0.5 ring from 1999

:oldlol: If you call Lebron's ring and Duncan's first ring a ".5" ring, what the hell do you call Kobe's first 3 rings? Especially his first ring when he even missed a game in the Finals and they still won the title?

[Sarcastic]

Oscar "Mr Tip Dub" Robertson.

[pauk]

Tim Duncan, then Hakeem at #10 and then Lebron at #11.

[scandisk_]

Tim Duncan, then Hakeem at #10 and then Lebron at #11.

c'mon pauk you're better than that :oldlol:

[coin24]

Tim Duncan, then Hakeem at #10 and then Lebron at #11.


Bronzey at 11??:lol :lol :roll: :roll:

[Freedom Kid7]

Timmy

I think he's better than Kobe, but whatever. Kinda funny KG's rant worked. Not mad.

[Doctor Rivers]

I'm not gonna say he takes all that easy but I think he takes it. The only one debatable if you think he's a better player. The better career and more praise is well documented and goes to Kobe.


Look I know spurs basketball better than anyone on here. From 2001-2004 I lived in San Antonio (this was the height of Duncan's career so that's all people talked about. I been to countless games and I worked down the same road that most of the spurs lived (I worked for target on blanco rd). So I use to have similar conversations with spurs players themselves ( I debated with Malik rose twice).

Back then it was clear that shaq and Duncan had the better career but Kobe has just held on for way longerwith being a top player and won championships aswell with teams on his own back. I agree that Kobe was not the main man on those laker championships but I don't believe he was robin to Shaqs batman. More like batman to Shaqs superman. It's the post shaq era where everyone thought Kobe would just be another sg without shaq and then came out with a vengeance that gives him the slight seperation

lol stone oak yahhh

[pauk]

Hope nobody messes up in the #10 and #11 and #12 voting. That belongs only to Hakeem at #10 and then Lebron at #11 and then Moses at #12....

Take a look:


...................Hakeem.......Lebron........Mose s.........
MVP.................1................3............ ....3............
FMVP...............2................1............. ...1............
RINGs..............2................1............. ...1............
ROTY..............No..............Yes............. No...........
DPOY...............2................0............. ...0............
All-Star MVP.....0................2................0....... .....
1st All-NBA.......6................6................4..... .......
1st All-Def........5................4................1.... ........
All-Star...........12...............8...............12 ............
Olympic Gold....1................2................0....... .....
POTM..............6................20............. ..4............

[fpliii]

Hope nobody messes up in the #10 and #11 and #12 voting. That belongs only to Hakeem at #10 and then Lebron at #11 and then Moses at #12....

Take a look:


...................Hakeem.......Lebron........Mose s.........
MVP.................1................3............ ....3............
FMVP...............2................1............. ...1............
RINGs..............2................1............. ...1............
ROTY..............No..............Yes............. No...........
DPOY...............2................0............. ...0............
All-Star MVP.....0................2................0....... .....
1st All-NBA.......6................6................4..... .......
1st All-Def........5................4................1.... ........
All-Star...........12...............8...............12 ............
Olympic Gold....1................2................0....... .....
POTM..............6................20............. ..4............

what about Robertson and West?

also, I guess we're not including the ABA years, or else Dr. J would already be voted in

[pauk]

Bronzey at 11??:lol :lol :roll: :roll:

Please tell me you are not serious? Who do you think should be at #11? Please tell me? Moses maybe? Well, if you do vote for Moses you will be voting for a less accomplished career, have a look:

...................Hakeem.......Lebron........Mose s.........
MVP.................1................3............ ....3............
FMVP...............2................1............. ...1............
RINGs..............2................1............. ...1............
ROTY..............No..............Yes............. No...........
DPOY...............2................0............. ...0............
All-Star MVP.....0................2................0....... .....
1st All-NBA.......6................6................4..... .......
1st All-Def........5................4................1.... ........
All-Star...........12...............8...............12 ............
Olympic Gold....1................2................0....... .....
POTM..............6................20............. ..4............

[Odinn]

I'm not gonna say he takes all that easy but I think he takes it. The only one debatable if you think he's a better player. The better career and more praise is well documented and goes to Kobe.


Look I know spurs basketball better than anyone on here. From 2001-2004 I lived in San Antonio (this was the height of Duncan's career so that's all people talked about. I been to countless games and I worked down the same road that most of the spurs lived (I worked for target on blanco rd). So I use to have similar conversations with spurs players themselves ( I debated with Malik rose twice).

Back then it was clear that shaq and Duncan had the better career but Kobe has just held on for way longerwith being a top player and won championships aswell with teams on his own back. I agree that Kobe was not the main man on those laker championships but I don't believe he was robin to Shaqs batman. More like batman to Shaqs superman. It's the post shaq era where everyone thought Kobe would just be another sg without shaq and then came out with a vengeance that gives him the slight seperation

As for being best player in the L;
1997-98; Duncan was top5. Kobe wasn't top5.
1998-99; Duncan was the best. Kobe wasn't top5.
1999-00; Duncan was the 2nd. Kobe wasn't top 5.
2000-01; Duncan was top3. Kobe was top3.
2001-02; Duncan was top2(Shaq or Duncan). Kobe was top5.
2002-03; Duncan was the best. Kobe was top5.
2003-04; Duncan was the 2nd. Kobe was top5.
2004-05; Duncan was the best. Kobe wasn't top5.
2005-06; Duncan was top5. Kobe was the best.
2006-07; Duncan was top2. Kobe was top2. (po; Duncan - rs; Kobe)
2007-08; Duncan was top5. Kobe was the best.
2008-09; Duncan wasn't top5. Kobe was top3(2nd or 3rd, depends on Wade).
2009-10; Duncan wasn't top5. Kobe was top3(depends on Wade&Durant).
2010-11; Both of them wasn't top 5.
2011-12; Duncan wasn't top5. Kobe was top5.
Duncan was top 5 player for 11 straight seasons. Kobe was top 5 player for 10 seasons.

So?...

[riseagainst]

Please tell me you are not serious? Who do you think should be at #11? Please tell me? Moses maybe? Well, if you do vote for Moses you will be voting for a less accomplished career, have a look:

...................Hakeem.......Lebron........Mose s.........
MVP.................1................3............ ....3............
FMVP...............2................1............. ...1............
RINGs..............2................1............. ...1............
ROTY..............No..............Yes............. No...........
DPOY...............2................0............. ...0............
All-Star MVP.....0................2................0....... .....
1st All-NBA.......6................6................4..... .......
1st All-Def........5................4................1.... ........
All-Star...........12...............8...............12 ............
Olympic Gold....1................2................0....... .....
POTM..............6................20............. ..4............

this is true Lebron should be ahead of Moses for sure. But imo Oscar should be 11 and Lebron 12.

[pauk]

what about Robertson and West?

also, I guess we're not including the ABA years, or else Dr. J would already be voted in

I didnt even include them in the comparasion as they have ZERO chance against Hakeem, Lebron and Moses accolades, they are right behind them but they do NOT belong above them.

To see what i mean here you go:

...................Lebron............Moses........ ..West........Oscar....
MVP.................3..................3.......... ......0..............1.......
FMVP...............1...................1.......... .....1..............0.......
RINGs..............1...................1.......... .....1..............1.......
ROTY..............Yes................No........... . No............Yes.....
DPOY...............0 (runner up)..0...............0..............0.......
All-Star MVP.....2...................0...............1..... .........3........
1st All-NBA.......6..................4...............10... ..........9.......
1st All-Def........4..................1................4.. ............0.......
All-Star............8.................12.............. 14.............12......
Olympic Gold....2..................0................1..... .........1.......
POTM..............20.................4............ ....0..............0.......


Only thing Oscar has is that triple double average season, but ask yourself... is that really enough to catapult him over players that accomplished basically more of everything else?

As far as Julius Erving goes, i care about what a player did in the NBA against NBA competition and NBA rules.. no pun intended, he was a great player and accomplished alot in the NBA aswell, but not enough to go over these guys above imo...

[AlphaWolf24]

do tim duncan fans ( well.. he doesnt really have any, or verry few... people just cheer for whoever kobes matched up with )

do any of you realise this ?

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/gweggt.png

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/trwhthj.jpg


and he was TNT player of the decade voted by the fans


where has tim been for the last 5-6 years?

kobes still one of the top 3 players in the nba.. putting his name possibly in a finals mvp conversation down the road


- I'm actually surprised....i thought Kobe wouldn't even make the top 10 here....:lol

- If ISH says Kobe is #8....then that means he's more like #5 - 6 in the real world.

- ISH = where slighting Kobe makes you a "hardcore fan":rolleyes:

[riseagainst]

do tim duncan fans ( well.. he doesnt really have any, or verry few... people just cheer for whoever kobes matched up with )

do any of you realise this ?

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/gweggt.png

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/trwhthj.jpg


and he was TNT player of the decade voted by the fans


where has tim been for the last 5-6 years?

kobes still one of the top 3 players in the nba.. putting his name possibly in a finals mvp conversation down the road

wow gawdbe top 10 athlete of the decade, joining the likes of Phelps, Woods, Armstrong, etc. :bowdown:

[KG215]

I didnt even include them in the comparasion as they have ZERO chance against Hakeem, Lebron and Moses accolades, they are right behind them but they do NOT belong above them.

To see what i mean here you go:

...................Lebron............Moses........ ..West........Oscar....
MVP.................3..................3.......... ......0..............1.......
FMVP...............1...................1.......... .....1..............0.......
RINGs..............1...................1.......... .....1..............1.......
ROTY..............Yes................No........... . No............Yes.....
DPOY...............0 (runner up)..0...............0..............0.......
All-Star MVP.....2...................0...............1..... .........3........
1st All-NBA.......6..................4...............10... ..........9.......
1st All-Def........4..................1................4.. ............0.......
All-Star............8.................12.............. 14.............12......
Olympic Gold....2..................0................1..... .........1.......
POTM..............20.................4............ ....0..............0.......


Only thing Oscar has is that triple double average season, but ask yourself... is that really enough to catapult him over players that accomplished basically more of everything else?

You're the only person I've ever seen who repeatedly uses POTM in a "who's better" argument. Why? Because it fits your agenda to make LeBron look even better? Oh, and when it comes to making an all-time list, I'm pretty sure hardy anyone gives two shits about ASG MVPs.

[Sarcastic]

I didnt even include them in the comparasion as they have ZERO chance against Hakeem, Lebron and Moses accolades, they are right behind them but they do NOT belong above them.

To see what i mean here you go:

...................Lebron............Moses........ ..West........Oscar....
MVP.................3..................3.......... ......0..............1.......
FMVP...............1...................1.......... .....1..............0.......
RINGs..............1...................1.......... .....1..............1.......
ROTY..............Yes................No........... . No............Yes.....
DPOY...............0 (runner up)..0...............0..............0.......
All-Star MVP.....2...................0...............1..... .........3........
1st All-NBA.......6..................4...............10... ..........9.......
1st All-Def........4..................1................4.. ............0.......
All-Star............8.................12.............. 14.............12......
Olympic Gold....2..................0................1..... .........1.......
POTM..............20.................4............ ....0..............0.......


Only thing Oscar has is that triple double average season, but ask yourself... is that really enough to catapult him over players that accomplished basically more of everything else?


Oscar has more than just a triple double season. He actually averaged a triple double over a 5 year period. He is more than just a 1 year wonder that you seem to make him out to be.

And making a top 10 list should be more than just adding up awards and achievements. Not all MVP (or any award for that matter) seasons are equal.

[Mirko Cro Cop]

Duncan

[Nash]

Ya'll look way too much on the championships and rings. Its like you guys can't even judge a players ability by yourself without using the championship argument. Some players win more championships in weaker eras while others don't win as many but play in a very strong era.

[lakersfan2046]

Tim Duncan

[Harison]

Ya'll look way too much on the championships and rings. Its like you guys can't even judge a players ability by yourself without using the championship argument. Some players win more championships in weaker eras while others don't win as many but play in a very strong era.

Exactly. Many mention Duncan, even though he never was as dominant as Hakeem, and if we swap them - Duncan would probably have zero rings, zero MVPs, and zero DPOYs (same as now).

[Asukal]

Hakeem. :cheers:

[FreezingTsmoove]

Hakeem. He did more with less and I always felt he was a bit more skilled than Duncan.

My top 10 list is determined by talent then accolades.

[Sarcastic]

You're the only person I've ever seen who repeatedly uses POTM in a "who's better" argument. Why? Because it fits your agenda to make LeBron look even better? Oh, and when it comes to making an all-time list, I'm pretty sure hardy anyone gives two shits about ASG MVPs.


Well considering that the standards have changed for many of these awards, and some haven't always even existed, I would say using them in ANY argument is disingenuous at best.

The MVP used to be voted on by the players, and not the media for example.



It's like saying Cy Young is not a good pitcher, because he didn't win any Cy Young awards.

[coin24]

Please tell me you are not serious? Who do you think should be at #11? Please tell me? Moses maybe? Well, if you do vote for Moses you will be voting for a less accomplished career, have a look:

...................Hakeem.......Lebron........Mose s.........
MVP.................1................3............ ....3............
FMVP...............2................1............. ...1............
RINGs..............2................1............. ...1............
ROTY..............No..............Yes............. No...........
DPOY...............2................0............. ...0............
All-Star MVP.....0................2................0....... .....
1st All-NBA.......6................6................4..... .......
1st All-Def........5................4................1.... ........
All-Star...........12...............8...............12 ............
Olympic Gold....1................2................0....... .....
POTM..............6................20............. ..4............



Hold on.. Lebron won more player of the month and all star game mvps???

Shit just got serious. We better redo the whole list, bronzey should be #1 right pauk? 2 gold medals aswell? Goat:bowdown:

You should have a category for epic choke jobs, he'd win that aswell.
1 ring on the super best friends squad doesn't mean shit. Lebron is no higher than 15 it's too early in his career to judge it. If he has more success then yeah he moves up. But not after 1 title and countless choke jobs...

[sagr32]

Timmy

[Sarcastic]

Kind of interesting. Bill Simmons' Hall of Fame Pyramid list is pretty similar so far to the list we have so far.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/simmons_pyramid.html

[chazzy]

Hakeem should be higher. His individual impact is getting slept on

[StateOfMind12]

Tim Duncan, then Hakeem at #10 and then Lebron at #11.
When we get to #11, the I'll vote for anyone but Lebron crew will arrive. :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

As for being best player in the L;
1997-98; Duncan was top5. Kobe wasn't top5.
1998-99; Duncan was the best. Kobe wasn't top5.
1999-00; Duncan was the 2nd. Kobe wasn't top 5.
2000-01; Duncan was top3. Kobe was top3.
2001-02; Duncan was top2(Shaq or Duncan). Kobe was top5.
2002-03; Duncan was the best. Kobe was top5.
2003-04; Duncan was the 2nd. Kobe was top5.
2004-05; Duncan was the best. Kobe wasn't top5.
2005-06; Duncan was top5. Kobe was the best.
2006-07; Duncan was top2. Kobe was top2. (po; Duncan - rs; Kobe)
2007-08; Duncan was top5. Kobe was the best.
2008-09; Duncan wasn't top5. Kobe was top3(2nd or 3rd, depends on Wade).
2009-10; Duncan wasn't top5. Kobe was top3(depends on Wade&Durant).
2010-11; Both of them wasn't top 5.
2011-12; Duncan wasn't top5. Kobe was top5.
Duncan was top 5 player for 11 straight seasons. Kobe was top 5 player for 10 seasons.

So?...


1998

duncan was the 5th best player, kobe was the 16th best player

1999

duncan was the 3rd best player, kobe was the 10th best player

2000

duncan was the 3rd best player, kobe was the 5th best player

2001

duncan was the 3rd best player, kobe was the 4th best player

2002

duncan was the best player, kobe was the 3rd best player

2003

duncan was the best player, kobe was the 2nd best player

2004

duncan was the 2nd best player, kobe was the 3rd best player

2005

duncan was the 3rd best player, kobe ( healthy ) was the best player

2006

duncan was the 6th best player, kobe was the best player

2007

duncan was the 5th best player(slight comeback), kobe was the best player

2008

duncan was the 7th best player, kobe was the best player

2009

duncan was the 10th best player, kobe was the best player

2010

duncan was the 14th best player, kobe was the 2nd best player

2011

duncan was not a top 15 player, kobe was the 3rd best player

2012

duncan was not a top 20 player, kobe was the 3rd best player

2013

duncan will not even be top 25, kobe is still in line for top 5 and another 1st team all nba


thats 9 top 5 finishes for duncan

thats 14 top 5 finishes for kobe

duncan the best player 2 times

kobe the best player 5 times

duncans average spot since 1998 = 6.6

kobes average spot since 1998 = 3.7


meaning... duncans been so lame the past few years hes dropped out of a top 5 average...

kobes longevity clearly is leaps and bounds ahead of his. its not even close

[TerranOP]

Timmy D

[Odinn]

duncans average spot since 1998 = 6.6

kobes average spot since 1998 = 3.7


meaning... duncans been so lame the past few years hes dropped out of a top 5 average...

kobes longevity clearly is leaps and bounds ahead of his. its not even close
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

:oldlol: :oldlol:


you dispute kobes longevity for taking mileage is so far beyond duncans?

counting all seasons/playoffs/summers... kobes probably logged 6-7 thousand more minutes than duncan


yet as of right now. kobe is a 1st team all nba player, duncan didnt even make the 3rd team last year

and when duncan has made all nba teams as a center and a power forward... that means he missed out on 9 possible spots ( just at his position )


SMH :facepalm

[bballnoob1192]

damn why so much bickering just make it a tie between duncan and hakeem

both #9 then we vote for #11 that will be fun

[raid09]

Duncan

[BlackVVaves]

See, that's the problem. You're focusing on all the kobe/laker stans. But there is just as much if not more kobe/laker haters voting against him just based on the simple fact that it's him. So if anything, it evens itself out. In reality, if there were so many kobe/laker stans voting for kobe, then he would've been much higher than 8, probably top 5 which would've made yall pissed. But clearly, even the kobe lovers all agree with the general consensus that kobe is 8.

Why are people complaining about Kobe being #8 not realizing this? You guys are nearly as bad as Kobe stand in your logic. If Laker fans/Kobe stans truly owned this forum and this list the way you suggest, why did they only come out in swarms when it came to #8? Maybe because many actually believe Kobe is the #8th greatest player of all time? Like the above poster and many others have said, if this list was that tainted by them, Kobe would be in the Top 5, fairly easily considering how many Laker fans and Kobe stans there are.

The truth many of you refuse to realize is that there is not much separating 7, 8, 9, and 10, or to be more clear, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, and Hakeem. Aside from Hakeem, who was the most skilled out of 3 of the 4, all of their achievements in terms of team and individual success are literally separated by a strain of hair. I personally think Duncan should be placed higher than Kobe right now, but I also believe Kobe will end up ranked higher than Duncan by the time the two retire.

Anyway, get a grip folks. And once again, I vote Duncan.

[riseagainst]

1998

duncan was the 5th best player, kobe was the 16th best player

1999

duncan was the 3rd best player, kobe was the 10th best player

2000

duncan was the 3rd best player, kobe was the 5th best player

2001

duncan was the 3rd best player, kobe was the 4th best player

2002

duncan was the best player, kobe was the 3rd best player

2003

duncan was the best player, kobe was the 2nd best player

2004

duncan was the 2nd best player, kobe was the 3rd best player

2005

duncan was the 3rd best player, kobe ( healthy ) was the best player

2006

duncan was the 6th best player, kobe was the best player

2007

duncan was the 5th best player(slight comeback), kobe was the best player

2008

duncan was the 7th best player, kobe was the best player

2009

duncan was the 10th best player, kobe was the best player

2010

duncan was the 14th best player, kobe was the 2nd best player

2011

duncan was not a top 15 player, kobe was the 3rd best player

2012

duncan was not a top 20 player, kobe was the 3rd best player

2013

duncan will not even be top 25, kobe is still in line for top 5 and another 1st team all nba


thats 9 top 5 finishes for duncan

thats 14 top 5 finishes for kobe

duncan the best player 2 times

kobe the best player 5 times

duncans average spot since 1998 = 6.6

kobes average spot since 1998 = 3.7


meaning... duncans been so lame the past few years hes dropped out of a top 5 average...

kobes longevity clearly is leaps and bounds ahead of his. its not even close

who was better than Duncan besides Shaq?

[INDI]

As for being best player in the L;
1997-98; Duncan was top5. Kobe wasn't top5.
1998-99; Duncan was the best. Kobe wasn't top5.
1999-00; Duncan was the 2nd. Kobe wasn't top 5.
2000-01; Duncan was top3. Kobe was top3.
2001-02; Duncan was top2(Shaq or Duncan). Kobe was top5.
2002-03; Duncan was the best. Kobe was top5.
2003-04; Duncan was the 2nd. Kobe was top5.
2004-05; Duncan was the best. Kobe wasn't top5.
2005-06; Duncan was top5. Kobe was the best.
2006-07; Duncan was top2. Kobe was top2. (po; Duncan - rs; Kobe)
2007-08; Duncan was top5. Kobe was the best.
2008-09; Duncan wasn't top5. Kobe was top3(2nd or 3rd, depends on Wade).
2009-10; Duncan wasn't top5. Kobe was top3(depends on Wade&Durant).
2010-11; Both of them wasn't top 5.
2011-12; Duncan wasn't top5. Kobe was top5.
Duncan was top 5 player for 11 straight seasons. Kobe was top 5 player for 10 seasons.

So?...

Whoa man. You got Duncan as a top 5 all the way up to 08? I haven't researched but I'm almost for certain he wasn't top 5 since 06. Also from 08 your saying Duncan wasn't top 5 which is being modest, really he wasn't top 10 or 15 either.

Kobe has just held up better throughout the years. There has not been a year since 2000 that he hasn't been elite and has always been in the conversation for most dangerous

[no pun intended]

Hakeem...

[BlackVVaves]

@Odin, Duncan wasn't better than Kobe in 2006-2007. Yes, he went farther than Kobe did in the playoffs (resulting in a championship), but that was more a product of Duncan's much more superior cast (IMO the best supporting cast of Duncan's 4 rings) when compared to Kobe's laughable teammates.

By your logic, Dirk was the best player in the league in the 2010-2011 season. Which he wasn't, Lebron was. But, he had a better season than Lebron and was the best player in the playoffs. But, 23 games do not trump 82 games.

[fpliii]

you dispute kobes longevity for taking mileage is so far beyond duncans?

counting all seasons/playoffs/summers... kobes probably logged 6-7 thousand more minutes than duncan


yet as of right now. kobe is a 1st team all nba player, duncan didnt even make the 3rd team last year

and when duncan has made all nba teams as a center and a power forward... that means he missed out on 9 possible spots ( just at his position )


SMH :facepalm

griff - have you seen the leak from Live 13?

http://kotaku.com/5936592/it-lives-heres-10-minutes-of-gameplay-from-nba-live-13

supposedly it's not a recent build, but the game looks like shit

[kennethgriffin]

griff - have you seen the leak from Live 13?

http://kotaku.com/5936592/it-lives-heres-10-minutes-of-gameplay-from-nba-live-13

supposedly it's not a recent build, but the game looks like shit


ya it looks like nba live 2001

it cant possibly be what theyre releasing. maybe a guy whos a big 2k fan released the stolen demo of it

[Odinn]

Kobe has just held up better throughout the years. There has not been a year since 2000 that he hasn't been elite and has always been in the conversation for most dangerous
Care to explain 2005? And arguably 2011(playoffs)?


Whoa man. You got Duncan as a top 5 all the way up to 08? I haven't researched but I'm almost for certain he wasn't top 5 since 06. Also from 08 your saying Duncan wasn't top 5 which is being modest, really he wasn't top 10 or 15 either.
If you didn't write the bolded part, I can respond seriously but you're just a joke.

[EnoughSaid]

Ohh come on now. Kobe shouldn't be ahead of Duncan or Hakeem. :facepalm

[Odinn]

@Odin, Duncan wasn't better than Kobe in 2006-2007. Yes, he went farther than Kobe did in the playoffs (resulting in a championship), but that was more a product of Duncan's much more superior cast (IMO the best supporting cast of Duncan's 4 rings) when compared to Kobe's laughable teammates.

By your logic, Dirk was the best player in the league in the 2010-2011 season. Which he wasn't, Lebron was. But, he had a better season than Lebron and was the best player in the playoffs. But, 23 games do not trump 82 games.
OK. Let's say Kobe was the clear-cut the best. Was there any player which is better than Duncan not named Kobe Bryant in 2006-07 season?

PS, I say top 2 for both of them because Kobe's regular season was not as strong as his 2005-06. He was 3rd at mvp race but he got only 2 1st places votes(20 less compared to 2006).

[kennethgriffin]

who was better than Duncan besides Shaq?

in 1999.. shaq and malone were better all season. duncan just won the title cause the spurs were the best healthy team left in the playoffs

in 2000... duncan finished 5th in mvp voting. shaq and malone were still better

in 2001... shaq and iverson were the obvious 2 best players. i thought shaq was the mvp of the league but iverson was at his absolute best

[kennethgriffin]

Ohh come on now. Kobe shouldn't be ahead of Duncan or Hakeem. :facepalm


that right there in itself is a double standard

the only way you could argue duncan even being remotely close would be careers. god knows his peak was nothing compared to kobe ( and kobes career is still slightly ahead of tims )

but in order to say hakeem. it would have to be solely off peak play. kobe has a better career than hakeem just from 2006-2012 LOL


so to argue both would mean youd have to change the entire way you judge players each time

i exposed you and the rest of the clowns the other day. i have no problem doing it again

[BuffaloBill]

so to argue both would mean youd have to change the entire way you judge players each time



Where does it say you have to vote based on career or peak alone? I didn't see that anywhere.

[BuffaloBill]

the only way you could argue duncan even being remotely close would be careers. god knows his peak was nothing compared to kobe ( and kobes career is still slightly ahead of tims )


not sure if serious

[BlackVVaves]

Duncan hasn't been Top 15 since 06???? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Odinn]

Duncan hasn't been Top 15 since 06???? :roll: :roll: :roll:
BTW, as for 2006-07 season, while Kobe's season wasn't as strong as 2005-06, Duncan was great in regular season too this time. He led the L in DRtg. It was his most efficient season. His ORtg-DRtg difference ise 17. As for # wins, Spurs were behind of Mavs and Suns. But they outscored their opponents by 8.4 points which is highest for the season. (2nd is Suns with 7.3) Also they had highest ORtg-DRtg difference with 9.3. (2nd is Mavs with 8.1) Their # of wins doesn't suggest the Spurs had a great regular season, but thanks to Duncan they had.

[BlackVVaves]

OK. Let's say Kobe was the clear-cut the best. Was there any player which is better than Duncan not named Kobe Bryant in 2006-07 season?

PS, I say top 2 for both of them because Kobe's regular season was not as strong as his 2005-06. He was 3rd at mvp race but he got only 2 1st places votes(20 less compared to 2006).

Well I have Kobe as the best, with Dirk at 2nd, and Duncan as 3rd. But to me, Duncan has as much of case for second as Dirk considering he was still leaps and bounds better than Dirk defensively in 2006/2007, in fact I believe he was the true DPOY that year. So I have no problem with Duncan at 2nd.

[INDI]

Care to explain 2005? And arguably 2011(playoffs)?


If you didn't write the bolded part, I can respond seriously but you're just a joke.

i'll give you 2008 but i dont think that duncan was a top 10 in 09 and he wasnt top 15 by 2010.

2009

kobe
chris paul
nash
gasol
melo
dirk
wade
howard
garnett
lebron

amare, parker, billups, d williams, durant etc... honorable mentions

[Ne 1]

@Odin, Duncan wasn't better than Kobe in 2006-2007. Yes, he went farther than Kobe did in the playoffs (resulting in a championship), but that was more a product of Duncan's much more superior cast (IMO the best supporting cast of Duncan's 4 rings) when compared to Kobe's laughable teammates.

By your logic, Dirk was the best player in the league in the 2010-2011 season. Which he wasn't, Lebron was. But, he had a better season than Lebron and was the best player in the playoffs. But, 23 games do not trump 82 games.


Actually besides the '99 title that many people don't even acknowledge, the '07 Spurs ring has a huge asterisk to me. (Disgusting what happened to the Suns)

Not to mention really weak competition (Jazz in the WCF? Cavs in Finals?) and had to get help from Stern (suspensions) to beat the only legit team standing in their way.

[Odinn]

Actually besides the '99 title that many people don't even acknowledge, the '07 Spurs ring has a huge asterisk to me. (Disgusting what happened to the Suns)

Not to mention really weak competition (Jazz in the WCF? Cavs in Finals?) and had to get help from Stern (suspensions) to beat the only legit team standing in their way.
If 2007 was an asterisk, so were 2000 and 2002. But that's not my point in this post.

Yes, in 2007 the Spurs faced really weak competition. If they faced a competition like in 2005 or at least like 2003 and won the title, they'd be better than 2005 Spurs imo. But that's just hypothetical.

[INDI]

Duncan hasn't been Top 15 since 06???? :roll: :roll: :roll:

if thats in response to what i said then you need to go back and read it again, I said that "i haven't done my research but I believe he hasn't been top "5" since 06. I believe that it is debatable that he was top 15 in "09" though. He was a 19 and 10 man which is good enough to be a top 10 but there was alot of guys that can get the nod over him.

by 2010 it is no question that he was not a top 15 imo

[rmt]

that right there in itself is a double standard

the only way you could argue duncan even being remotely close would be careers. god knows his peak was nothing compared to kobe ( and kobes career is still slightly ahead of tims )

but in order to say hakeem. it would have to be solely off peak play. kobe has a better career than hakeem just from 2006-2012 LOL


so to argue both would mean youd have to change the entire way you judge players each time

i exposed you and the rest of the clowns the other day. i have no problem doing it again

2003 Duncan > any Kobe

[riseagainst]

2003 Duncan > any Kobe

idk.... 06, 03 and 07 are all pretty good candidates for being as good as Duncan's best year (idk if that's 2003 or not)

[ScalabrineStan]

Hakeem

[DaSeba5]

Duncan of course

[fsvr54]

Tim Duncan

[fsvr54]

that right there in itself is a double standard

the only way you could argue duncan even being remotely close would be careers. god knows his peak was nothing compared to kobe ( and kobes career is still slightly ahead of tims )

but in order to say hakeem. it would have to be solely off peak play. kobe has a better career than hakeem just from 2006-2012 LOL


so to argue both would mean youd have to change the entire way you judge players each time

i exposed you and the rest of the clowns the other day. i have no problem doing it again

peak play is all that matters

[SuperPippen]

Why do I get the feeling that Deuce waited so long to conclude the #8 voting thread because he wanted Kobe to get enough votes?

Anyway, Hakeem.

[KG215]

the only way you could argue duncan even being remotely close would be careers. god knows his peak was nothing compared to kobe ( and kobes career is still slightly ahead of tims )


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You're so f*cking ignorant. If anything, it's peak Duncan vs. peak Kobe that may give Duncan the edge due to Kobe's resume being a little more impressive. As good of a perimeter defender Kobe was at his best (although I don't think he was at his best as a defender in his best scoring seasons), Duncan's defensive impact at his best was far more significant.

I'm not sure Kobe ever had a season where he coupled his best defense with his best offense. Younger Kobe (200-2003ish) was Kobe at his defensive best but, when he was at his offensive best (2005-2008) he wasn't the same defender. In his best years, Duncan was at his best offensively and defensively.

[miles berg]

Lol at this stupid ass forum.

On what planet is Kobe Bryant better than Tim Duncan or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Fn retarded ass children posting here.

[dyna]

Hakeem

[BlackVVaves]

Why do I get the feeling that Deuce waited so long to conclude the #8 voting thread because he wanted Kobe to get enough votes?

Anyway, Hakeem.

Actually, if Deuce was driving forth an agenda, he would have closed the thread far before the time he actually did. Kobe had a more significant lead in votes before the thread began to draw to a close.

He seemed very impartial in his management of the threads.

[Freedom Kid7]

KG, Duncan's peak is superior to Kobe's in my eyes. Did Kobe ever do a 21/20/10/8 statline? :confusedshrug:

[Alan Ogg]

Timmy

[oolalaa]

if thats in response to what i said then you need to go back and read it again, I said that "i haven't done my research but I believe he hasn't been top "5" since 06. I believe that it is debatable that he was top 15 in "09" though. He was a 19 and 10 man which is good enough to be a top 10 but there was alot of guys that can get the nod over him.

by 2010 it is no question that he was not a top 15 imo

Yes he was, and that was the first year of his entire career that he wasn't top 10....

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Lebron James
4. Dwight Howard
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Steve Nash
7. Deron Williams
8. Carmelo Anthony
9. Pau Gasol
10. Kevin Durant
11. Rajon Rondo
12. Tim Duncan
13. Chris Bosh
14. Paul Pierce
15. Brandon Roy


Duncan was never not a top 5 player for an entire ****ing decade. Not many players can say that, including chuckbe.

[INDI]

Yes he was, and that was the first year of his entire career that he wasn't top 10....

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Lebron James
4. Dwight Howard
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Steve Nash
7. Deron Williams
8. Carmelo Anthony
9. Pau Gasol
10. Kevin Durant
11. Rajon Rondo
12. Tim Duncan
13. Chris Bosh
14. Paul Pierce
15. Brandon Roy


Duncan was never not a top 5 player for an entire ****ing decade. Not many players can say that, including chuckbe.

How could you not have amare above him he was putting up like 25 a game? Chris Paul? Zach Randolph was better in 2010 also.And though his hype was short lived monta Ellis should be there as well. That's off the top of my head


Duncan was top 20 but there are 15 guys that was better than him IMO, he was more on the level of the joe Johnson's and al Jefferson's by then

[longhornfan1234]

Duncan.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#9 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

41- Tim Duncan
17- Hakeem Olajuwon
2- Moses Malone
2- Oscar Robertson
1- Elgin Baylor

[DaHeezy]

moses

[Freedom Kid7]

Deuce, I'm pretty sure Duncan won.

[krazymofo]

Duncan

[funnystuff]

Hakeem

[Niquesports]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20San%20Antonio%20Spurs/Tim%20Duncan/VS/960706_duncan_against_olajuwon.jpg

It's a showdown for #9.

(Not a vote, just wanted to post that).

Elgin Baylor over both of them

[jalbert009]

Duncan!

[hangintheair]

Oscar Robertson..

[HOoopCityJones]

Hmm...ISH votes Kobe 8th all time? I must be drunk.

[bballnoob1192]

hhahaahahahhaha this shit is hilarious 2012 duncan not top 8 fast forward 2014 wins ring as role player goes up to #5. ISH :facepalm. If lebron or kobe wins another ring as a role player their ranking would go down. Only duncan can gain ranking winning as a role player.

[Cocaine80s]

hhahaahahahhaha this shit is hilarious 2012 duncan not top 8 fast forward 2014 wins ring as role player goes up to #5. ISH :facepalm. If lebron or kobe wins another ring as a role player their ranking would go down. Only duncan can gain ranking winning as a role player.
pretty sure most wouldnt even have him top 10 if they beat the Pacers instead of the heat.