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Kobr
08-23-2012, 05:37 PM
People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html).


Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.
Jalen Rose - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.
Matt Bonner - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.
Jose Calderon - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.
Charlie Villanueva - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.
Mike James - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.


Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?

Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:


LA was down by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).


He put up those 81 points on incredible efficiency: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).


He led all 4 quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts


He put on this insane scoring show with only 3 turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was losing to the Warriors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html) and putting up 14 points on 6 turnovers and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.


Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg

Kobr
08-23-2012, 05:37 PM
Will we ever see a single-game performance by LeBron on par with Kobe's 81?

I doubt it.

Heavincent
08-23-2012, 05:40 PM
Will we ever see a single-game performance by LeBron on par with Kobe's 81?


It's arguably the best performance in NBA history, so I seriously doubt any current player will even come close.

BoNafidde
08-23-2012, 05:41 PM
:lol you had to find a way to throw LeBron in there

DFish
08-23-2012, 05:42 PM
Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was losing to the Warriors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html) and putting up 14 points on 6 turnovers and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.

:roll: :roll:

A GSW team with Fisher, JRich, Dunleavy and Troy Murphy. Fisher was looking like Iverson that game... 17 points, 9 assists, 6 steals :applause:

DaSeba5
08-23-2012, 05:43 PM
I don't see the point of putting LeBron in there because it just seems like a bait thread for another LeBron Vs. Kobe debate.

RRR3
08-23-2012, 05:44 PM
LeBron averages more PPG, OP, regular season AND playoffs. Get mad:sleeping



I don't see the point of putting LeBron in there because it just seems like a bait thread for another LeBron Vs. Kobe debate.
True. Wasn't planning to reply until I saw that. Troll threads get troll replies from me.

fsvr54
08-23-2012, 05:44 PM
46 shots lol

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
08-23-2012, 05:45 PM
The Raptors were 27-55 that season. One of if not the worst team in the Eastern Conference. :oldlol:


yes, i'm trolling the troll

swag2011
08-23-2012, 05:45 PM
C'mon i'm a kobe fan but you didn't have to throw lebron in it b/c i'm sure there are games lebron had that kobe won't duplicate. (not including boston game 5 this year b/c kobe has had games like that)

But it is severely underrated. Lakers were down 18. He did all of this in regulation, no overtime. But of course people say it wasn't good cause raptors suck. Yet no one has done what kobe did that night. one of the best displays of offensive ability ever. probably the best single display of offensive arsenal in one game.

DTreats
08-23-2012, 05:45 PM
Also, LeBron that year against those SAME Raptors.

14/6/6 4-22 fg's


18/7/4 6-19 fgs

22/9/5 5-18 fgs

:roll:

SuperPippen
08-23-2012, 05:46 PM
Indeed. I really don't think this Kobe gets enough credit for this game. Definitely the greatest scoring exhibition in the history of the NBA.

People like to spread bullshit like, "lol at the Raptors defense," but if you were to go back and rewatch the game, I think you would agree that nobody had a chance of stopping Kobe that night. He simply got an incredibly hot hand, and drained tough shot after tough shot.

I still remember where I was when I watched this game.

RRR3
08-23-2012, 05:47 PM
Also, LeBron that year against those SAME Raptors.

14/6/6 4-22 fg's


18/7/4 6-19 fgs

22/9/5 5-18 fgs

:roll:
Stop making up stats ******

DTreats
08-23-2012, 05:47 PM
Greatest single game in the modern era of basketball.

Kobr
08-23-2012, 05:48 PM
I wasn't saying anything bad about LeBron or Odom. I mentioned their turnovers to illustrate how impressive Kobe's 3 were in comparison to his scoring. That's all.

DFish
08-23-2012, 05:48 PM
14 points on 6 turnovers and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field

http://i.imgur.com/bd6Mv.jpg

RRR3
08-23-2012, 05:49 PM
I wasn't saying anything bad about LeBron or Odom. I mentioned their turnovers to illustrate how impressive Kobe's 3 were in comparison to his scoring. That's all.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Yeah, what a ****in' coincidence you used LeBron James as an example. Don't take us for fools like yourself, OP.

DTreats
08-23-2012, 05:50 PM
Stop making up stats ******
Says the guy who rigged Whatifsports.com results in order to make LeBron look good..

DixieNourmous
08-23-2012, 05:50 PM
For those of you that missed the game, here is an edited video of the 81, shot by shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RxKoi__4Sg



Kobe was getting his signals by this hottie

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/04-1.gif
Not really (just wanted to post this gif) :applause:

KG215
08-23-2012, 05:51 PM
People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html).


Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.
Jalen Rose - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.
Matt Bonner - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.
Jose Calderon - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.
Charlie Villanueva - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.
Mike James - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.


Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?

Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:


LA was down by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).


He put up those 81 points on incredible efficiency: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).


He led all 4 quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts


He put on this insane scoring show with only 3 turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was losing to the Warriors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html) and putting up 14 points on 6 turnovers and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.


Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg


And you're using things that absolutely do not matter, even a little bit, to make that Raptors team look better.

Like Jalen Rose...what does being a member of the Fab Five in the early 1990s have to do with the player he was 15 years later?

Or Mike James....nothing you told me about him tells me whether or not he was a good defender. Who gives a shit if he was averaged 20-3-3? What does that have to do with Kobe scoring 81 points?

And Matt Bonner; how does him being a one time champ as like the 9th or 10th man and a good 3-point shooter make it harder for Kobe to score 81 points?

And good effort with Villanueva by pointing out he averaged 13-6-1. Still doesn't tell me what that has to do with making it harder for Kobe to score 81, but at least I now know Villanueva was a 13-6-1 player in 2005-2006.

The game was incredible. What Kobe did was absolutely phenomenal and a joy to watch. But what you listed about each Toronto player...really? You gotta do better than that. At least tell us why their defense might have made it harder on Kobe than the average fan thinks.

caliman
08-23-2012, 05:57 PM
Great game but his game against Dallas was more impressive.


this

tmacattack33
08-23-2012, 06:06 PM
People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html).


Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.
Jalen Rose - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.
Matt Bonner - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.
Jose Calderon - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.
Charlie Villanueva - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.
Mike James - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.


Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?

Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:


LA was down by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).


He put up those 81 points on incredible efficiency: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).


He led all 4 quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts


He put on this insane scoring show with only 3 turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was losing to the Warriors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html) and putting up 14 points on 6 turnovers and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.


Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg


:biggums:

You just wrote an essay talking about a regular season game between two teams who missed the playoffs. Congrats.

KG215
08-23-2012, 06:08 PM
I just want to know what in the hell his little blurbs about each player have to do with their defense and how it made it or harder or possibly easier for Kobe to get 81. Not sure why OP felt the need to tell me Bonner was a 1x champ or that Jalen Rose led the Fab 5 in scoring 15 years earlier.

RRR3
08-23-2012, 06:10 PM
I just want to know what in the hell his little blurbs about each player have to do with their defense and how it made it or harder or possibly easier for Kobe to get 81. Not sure why OP felt the need to tell me Bonner was a 1x champ or that Jalen Rose led the Fab 5 in scoring 15 years earlier.
"B-b-b-b-b-b-but IT's KOBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! DA BLACK MAM-BEAAAANNNNNNN! DA GOAT GAW-WAWD!!! LEBRICK SUCKS CHOKER LOL KOBE CLUTCH AS HELL DOEEEE! 5 RANGZZZZZ!"

funnystuff
08-23-2012, 06:11 PM
46 shots lol
lol This

Levity
08-23-2012, 06:17 PM
I wouldnt say its underrated. Most people applaud the great play of kobe that game. It's just that in this forum, people choose to disregard the impressiveness of this performance for their own personnel reasons. spurting nonsense like "it was only against the raptors" or "if blah blah blah took 35+ shots, theyd score 81 points too" totally disregarding the fact of how hard it is to get off your own shot off in the nba, let alone making over 50% of them to score 81. claims like that should just be ignored, because regardless of the opposing team or shots taken, an 81 point performance is absolutely amazing. Its really a head scratcher that some people actually deny the impressiveness of said game.

alleykat
08-23-2012, 06:20 PM
great game no doubt, but if you know your not going to make it past the first round playoffs might as well right?

idk the lakers kinda ruined it for me that season. it's like nobody cared about winning or playing as a team just shooting...

either way great game by kobe. his shooting percentage and efficiency were insane....

po3try
08-23-2012, 06:21 PM
Will we ever see a single-game performance by LeBron on par with Kobe's 81?

I doubt it.

Yes if he is willing to relinquish his teammates the entire game and take almost fifty fieldgoal attempts in one game. With other words, we most likely wont see Lebron do that.

Lamar Odumbb
08-23-2012, 06:22 PM
Great game but his game against Dallas was more impressive.

I agree. That game vs Dallas, Kobe was on point from jump. In the Raptors game, Kobe came alive in the 2nd half and then he scores around 10-15 points in garbage time just like Wilt did in his 100 point game which was his team force feeding him to score as many as possible.

Also, that Dallas game had intensity in it where-as the Raptors game felt like a sleepy pre-season game.

tpols
08-23-2012, 06:22 PM
Kobe was hitting his patented fades at an unreal rate that game. You could've had Bruce Bowen on him and he still gets those shots. They were the typical long Rangers he hits at like 30percent now except he was in his prime and on fire.

swag2011
08-23-2012, 06:26 PM
46 shots lol
Wilt took 63 shots and 32 fta for his 100 point game lol. So shut up ho

alleykat
08-23-2012, 06:31 PM
you might be able to see lebron pull a game like that off absolutely.....

if in the near future he decides to not give a crap and just shoot without his teammates, then he has the scoring ability to do it, though not as diverse as kobe or maybe as efficient....i can't blame kobe tho, i would have done the same if i was getting frustrated with how the higher ups were running my team...

KD is already shaping up to be a better offensive machine than both of them though.

DixieNourmous
08-23-2012, 06:31 PM
46 shots lol


Wilt Chamberlain took 63 shots ( 57% shooting) for 100 points and he was in the paint most of the time.

Kobe Bryant took 46 shots (60.8 % shooting) for 81 points and many were contested long shots.


Not a Kobe lover, but its hard to hate this performance.


http://afrojacks.com/images/stories/chris%20brown%281%29.gif

NoGunzJustSkillz
08-23-2012, 06:33 PM
Damn, wish I caught it on NBAtv earlier today

NoGunzJustSkillz
08-23-2012, 06:38 PM
You guys remember that game Dallas was beating Lakers by like 20+ points (maybe like 30 points) at halftime and came back and won it? Maybe like 4-5 years ago? I just remember Mark Cuban at halftime saying how great it felt during a halftime interview.

n/m, found it: Bryant scores 21 of game-high 27 points in fourth (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=221206013)

Kobe Bryant 2002-03 • 27 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists vs. Dallas Mavericks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_PgR66ehq0)

Boy was that a fun game to watch.

Levity
08-23-2012, 06:42 PM
you might be able to see lebron pull a game like that off absolutely.....

if in the near future he decides to not give a crap and just shoot without his teammates, then he has the scoring ability to do it, though not as diverse as kobe or maybe as efficient....i can't blame kobe tho, i would have done the same if i was getting frustrated with how the higher ups were running my team...

KD is already shaping up to be a better offensive machine than both of them though.

and if either kd or lebron did that, id be impressed. Even if was against the bobcats. As a fan of basketball, how could one not love a game like that? Just shows people are more obsessed with players, or their own teams than the actual sport.

KG215
08-23-2012, 06:44 PM
Why do people keep bringing up his 46 FGA as a knock? Regardless of whether or not you think he played selfishly, how many shots do you expect someone to take in an 81 point game? 81 points on 46 FGA is extremely efficient.

AlphaWolf24
08-23-2012, 06:48 PM
46 shots lol


really?



that's the level we stoop to now?



players scorin 81 points and we have people hating on it because of 46 shots?

Levity
08-23-2012, 06:51 PM
really?



that's the level we stoop to now?



players scorin 81 points and we have people hating on it because of 46 shots?

He probably wants something like 25 shots and 40+ fta. definitely would be a fun game to watch......

:facepalm

NoGunzJustSkillz
08-23-2012, 07:00 PM
Lakers, 2010 NBA Champs btches! Fcking AAAAA. Forgot how exciting that 4th quarter was.

Replay32
08-23-2012, 07:04 PM
2 things make it a bit overrated.

1) His teammates were force feeding him the ball with the game out of reach. And kobe was still trying to score to add to his point total when the game was clearly over. He got about extra points trying to set the record when it wasn't really necessary.

2) He didn't see any aggressive double teams pretty much the whole game. The raptors defense was beyond horrible. You would think at some point they would aggressively double every time he touched the ball. That didn't happen.

Other than that, it was a great performance and he was on fire.

steve
08-23-2012, 07:14 PM
I wouldnt say its underrated. Most people applaud the great play of kobe that game. It's just that in this forum, people choose to disregard the impressiveness of this performance for their own personnel reasons. spurting nonsense like "it was only against the raptors" or "if blah blah blah took 35+ shots, theyd score 81 points too" totally disregarding the fact of how hard it is to get off your own shot off in the nba, let alone making over 50% of them to score 81. claims like that should just be ignored, because regardless of the opposing team or shots taken, an 81 point performance is absolutely amazing. Its really a head scratcher that some people actually deny the impressiveness of said game.

It also gets brought up all the time. It's possible that no matter how great the game is, people just get bored talking about it and seeing it mentioned every other day despite the fact that it happened over half a decade ago.

AlphaWolf24
08-23-2012, 07:16 PM
2 things make it a bit overrated.

1) His teammates were force feeding him the ball with the game out of reach. And kobe was still trying to score to add to his point total when the game was clearly over. He got about extra points trying to set the record when it wasn't really necessary.

2) He didn't see any aggressive double teams pretty much the whole game. The raptors defense was beyond horrible. You would think at some point they would aggressively double every time he touched the ball. That didn't happen.

Other than that, it was a great performance and he was on fire.


I think Jalen Rose had a part in this...looking back.

- It seemed after the 2000 Finals , Kobe and Jalen forged a competitive dislike for each other (basketball court only)...jalen in the Finals was a beast/veteran...and seemed to push Kobe to almost the brink of a physical confrontation a few times.

- Watching the game it seemed like Rose/ peterson were like " we aint gonna show Kobe no double teams...we will shut him down"...and I can totally se Rose going Machismo trying to shut down Kobe one on one....and thus Rose easily selling Sam Mitchell on this idea.

- Lakers were down big to Toronto...it seemed like Kobe was gonna score but Toronto was going to still be ahead....Rose could easily say " you scored some points but we won"....

- Then Kobe went to another level and Rose's /teams ego just took over and they never decided to take the ball away from Kobe....they wanted to prove a point...and it cost them dearly

swi7ch
08-23-2012, 07:17 PM
We get it, man. 81 points is better than 100 because when we are being taught how to count in kindergarten, it goes like this: 79, 80, 100, 81, 82, etc.

Levity
08-23-2012, 07:20 PM
It also gets brought up all the time. It's possible that no matter how great the game is, people just get bored talking about it and seeing it mentioned every other day despite the fact that it happened over half a decade ago.

agreed about it coming up a lot, in fact too much in my opinion. most of the time its brought up by trolls or obsessed kobe fans looking to start or restart an all too familiar argument between posters. when thats the case, its pretty easy to just ignore them in their entirety. but instead, everyone tends open pandoras box by responding to the trolls, resultings in 10+ pages of recycled arguments.

Replay32
08-23-2012, 07:26 PM
I think Jalen Rose had a part in this...looking back.

- It seemed after the 2000 Finals , Kobe and Jalen forged a competitive dislike for each other (basketball court only)...jalen in the Finals was a beast/veteran...and seemed to push Kobe to almost the brink of a physical confrontation a few times.

- Watching the game it seemed like Rose/ peterson were like " we aint gonna show Kobe no double teams...we will shut him down"...and I can totally se Rose going Machismo trying to shut down Kobe one on one....and thus Rose easily selling Sam Mitchell on this idea.

- Lakers were down big to Toronto...it seemed like Kobe was gonna score but Toronto was going to still be ahead....Rose could easily say " you scored some points but we won"....

- Then Kobe went to another level and Rose's /teams ego just took over and they never decided to take the ball away from Kobe....they wanted to prove a point...and it cost them dearly

Jalen said on his podcast that Sam Mitchell refused to let them double kobe. He said during the game that he went against the strategy on one play and Sam Mitchell immediately subbed him out.

Jalen said that there were player/coach friction that whole season and Mitchell was trying to teach them a lesson.

Legends66NBA7
08-23-2012, 07:27 PM
It's not underrated.

It was one of the greatest single game performances of all-time. For those who like the advanced metric, game score, the 81 point performance is ranked 2nd all-time to only Michael Jordan's 69/18 game.

I give you props for proping that 05-06 Raptors, OP. :oldlol:

But yeah, people hating on the performance because of excuses like bad defense or whatever are idiots. I'm sorry, but 81 is 81. You don't let any player own your team like that.

Legends66NBA7
08-23-2012, 07:30 PM
Jalen said on his podcast that Sam Mitchell refused to let them double kobe. He said during the game that he went against the strategy on one play and Sam Mitchell immediately subbed him out.

Jalen said that there were player/coach friction that whole season and Mitchell was trying to teach them a lesson.

Yeah, Mitchell had a lot of fights with his players. Almost made Rafear Alston retire because of how much he was trashing him. Apparently, even Mitchell and Vince Carter had a fight and Vince's mom got involved about it.

Rose wasn't stopping Kobe that night, either way. He was always a bad defender for us, even on help defense.

RRR3
08-23-2012, 07:31 PM
It's not underrated.

It was one of the greatest single game performances of all-time. For those whole the advanced metric, game score, the 81 point performance is ranked 2nd all-time to only Michael Jordan's 69/18 game.

I give you props for proping that 05-06 Raptors, OP. :oldlol:

But yeah, people hating on the performance because of excuses like bad defense or whatever are idiots. I'm sorry, but 81 is 81. You don't let any player own your team like that.
OP brings hate on himself by bringing up a bad game by LeBron :confusedshrug:

AlphaWolf24
08-23-2012, 07:41 PM
Jalen said on his podcast that Sam Mitchell refused to let them double kobe. He said during the game that he went against the strategy on one play and Sam Mitchell immediately subbed him out.

Jalen said that there were player/coach friction that whole season and Mitchell was trying to teach them a lesson.


yeah apart of me thinks Jalen at the start of the game got in Sam's ear and was all like..

" let Me and Mo check Kobe...we can guard his **** A**!"....." He may score but we will win by double digit's.....Kwame and Smuch can't do anything"....



then after Kobe went bananas.....

" hey coach..we need to start doubling Kobe"....


then coach Mitchell was like...

" **** NO!.....you want to call the defense and act like you can guard em'...then do it!"

then Jalen spun it around and blamed coach...:lol

Replay32
08-23-2012, 07:51 PM
Yeah, Mitchell had a lot of fights with his players. Almost made Rafear Alston retire because of how much he was trashing him. Apparently, even Mitchell and Vince Carter had a fight and Vince's mom got involved about it.

Rose wasn't stopping Kobe that night, either way. He was always a bad defender for us, even on help defense.

You are probably right, but to not see an aggressive double when you have that many points is odd. Kobe was playing with Smush, luke walton, and kwame brown for crying out loud. lol

Jyap9675
08-23-2012, 08:00 PM
I still prefer lebron's 3ple doubles :D but it was an amazing scoring record.

Poetry
08-23-2012, 08:06 PM
It probably is somewhat underrated in that nobody talks about it anymore. I'm sure when Kobe retires we'll see this game in the spotlight once again.

Only thing that ruins it for me is that it happened in this era:

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rm6vs6.png

But even then there's no denying it's one of the most impressive individual performances ever.

chazzy
08-23-2012, 08:14 PM
It's underrated compared to Wilt's. I hope someone like Durant gets really hot like that again

OP brings hate on himself by bringing up a bad game by LeBron :confusedshrug:
Stop being so uppity :lol

Heavincent
08-23-2012, 08:14 PM
[QUOTE=NoGunzJustSkillz]You guys remember that game Dallas was beating Lakers by like 20+ points (maybe like 30 points) at halftime and came back and won it? Maybe like 4-5 years ago? I just remember Mark Cuban at halftime saying how great it felt during a halftime interview.

n/m, found it: Bryant scores 21 of game-high 27 points in fourth (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=221206013)

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_PgR66ehq0"]Kobe Bryant 2002-03

bleedinpurpleTwo
08-23-2012, 08:29 PM
Arguably the greatest regular season performance in NBA history, including every MJ game and including Wilts 100 pts.

SilkkTheShocker
08-23-2012, 08:30 PM
:applause:

Boogey
08-23-2012, 08:31 PM
The best individual scoring performance ever. Who wants to watch a center cherry pick an entire game?

SilkkTheShocker
08-23-2012, 08:34 PM
DFish is such a f.aggot. Even in a thread about Kobes historic game, he rather talk about Lebron :oldlol:

andgar923
08-23-2012, 08:53 PM
People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html).


Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.
Jalen Rose - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.
Matt Bonner - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.
Jose Calderon - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.
Charlie Villanueva - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.
Mike James - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.


Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?

Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:


LA was down by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).


He put up those 81 points on incredible efficiency: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).


He led all 4 quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts


He put on this insane scoring show with only 3 turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was losing to the Warriors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html) and putting up 14 points on 6 turnovers and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.


Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg


How can it be underrated if you f#gs never shut up about it?

Doctor Rivers
08-23-2012, 09:11 PM
OP brings hate on himself by bringing up a bad game by LeBron :confusedshrug:

Ignore the trolls

jlauber
08-23-2012, 09:14 PM
Wilt Chamberlain took 63 shots ( 57% shooting) for 100 points and he was in the paint most of the time.

Kobe Bryant took 46 shots (60.8 % shooting) for 81 points and many were contested long shots.


Not a Kobe lover, but its hard to hate this performance.


http://afrojacks.com/images/stories/chris%20brown%281%29.gif

Well, to be fair to Chamberlain, he had a 73 point game on 29-43 shooting, a 68 point game on 30-40 shooting, and a 66 point game on 29-35 (yes ... .829 shooting!) He also had a 43 point game on 18-18 shooting.

KOBEtherealKing
08-23-2012, 09:25 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m98cuyEu7s1qcecc6o1_500.jpg

scandisk_
08-23-2012, 09:46 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m98cuyEu7s1qcecc6o1_500.jpg

well

http://www.laughlocker.com/assets/0/1/kobe-it-s-called-shooting-guard-not-passing-guard_1345212001.jpg

thelucifer69
08-23-2012, 10:05 PM
2006 Toronto Raptors is SEVERELY overrated

Kobe scored 11pts .417fg% the other game in Toronto. Lakers still won by 9

:roll:

Boston C's
08-23-2012, 10:08 PM
to me this is probably the greatest single performance in nba history... i always flip flop between this game and wilts only because kobe took and made a ridiculous amount of high difficulty shots...yes they should of aggressively doubled kobe but hell getting 81 points takes so much energy out of you... i believe tim duncan said that scoring 40 is absolutely exhausting so i cant imagine how tired kobe was scorin 81

only thing i hate about this game was that it completely overshadowed ray allens ridiculous second half against phoenix on the same day where he score 30 of his 42 points in the 4th quarter and overtime and hit the 30 foot game winner... i was thinking espn might actually show my boy some love since ray was one of the least talked about stars in the nba in his prime but kobe goes ahead and does something of ridiculously historic proportions lol

DKLaker
08-23-2012, 10:16 PM
Great game but his game against Dallas was more impressive.

Wrong!!!!!! Kobe had 55 points in the 2nd half > 62 in 3 quarters vs. Dallas.
Lakers whipped Dallas with little effort, the game was never close.
Toronto was blowing out the Lakers at one point and looked good to win.
I was at the game :banana: :banana: :banana:

KOBE143
08-24-2012, 01:11 AM
Million times better than Wilt the Choker

Lamar Odumbb
08-24-2012, 01:18 AM
Wrong!!!!!! Kobe had 55 points in the 2nd half > 62 in 3 quarters vs. Dallas.
Lakers whipped Dallas with little effort, the game was never close.
Toronto was blowing out the Lakers at one point and looked good to win.
I was at the game :banana: :banana: :banana:

If Kobe played the 4th, I think Kobe wouldve dropped 72-76 vs a good Dallas team which is more impressive than 81 vs a sucky Raptors team.

Its like a college football game. Is it more impressive to score 40 on a SEC defense or 70 on a WAC defense.

TheBigVeto
08-24-2012, 01:34 AM
People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html).


Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.
Jalen Rose - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.
Matt Bonner - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.
Jose Calderon - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.
Charlie Villanueva - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.
Mike James - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.


Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?

Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:


LA was down by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).


He put up those 81 points on incredible efficiency: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).


He led all 4 quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts


He put on this insane scoring show with only 3 turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was losing to the Warriors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html) and putting up 14 points on 6 turnovers and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.


Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg



http://oi53.tinypic.com/34rtwyh.jpg

jongib369
08-24-2012, 01:38 AM
Well, to be fair to Chamberlain, he had a 73 point game on 29-43 shooting, a 68 point game on 30-40 shooting, and a 66 point game on 29-35 (yes ... .829 shooting!) He also had a 43 point game on 18-18 shooting.

:bowdown:


That, Jordans 63 against the celtics and Kobe's 62(?) against the mavs is more impressive than his 81 point game IMO

Devientz
08-24-2012, 02:32 AM
The reason Kobe's 81 points seems underrated is that 99% of the time is brought up by someone trying to compare Kobe to God. The second that happens, people will respond trying to put that person in his place, hater or not. This thread is the closest I've seen to a civilized discussion on the subject... Just sayin

G.O.A.T
08-24-2012, 02:35 AM
Will we ever see a single-game performance by LeBron on par with Kobe's 81?

I doubt it.

Already saw many better.

KOBE143
08-24-2012, 02:44 AM
Its not just the 81.. Kobe as a whole player is severely underrated..

RazorBaLade
08-24-2012, 02:47 AM
Its not just the 81.. Kobe as a whole player is severely underrated..

its pointless to talk about underrating stars tho bcuz we do it to all of them. every1 gets a retirement boost...

DFish
08-24-2012, 02:59 AM
Already saw many better.

Has LeBron even broken 60 yet? :roll:

BlueandGold
08-24-2012, 03:26 AM
I actually just watched the highlights of this game

(raptors announcers)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsN3V56J478&feature=relmfu

and while trying to debate which one was more impressive (wilt or kobe) I realized that Wilt's performance is not documented while Kobe's was from multiple angles as well as multiple perspectives.. I think that in itself made Kobe's a lot more difficult as regular season games weren't even broadcasted during Wilt's time. This along with a lot of multiple factors, as most of kobe's points came from 3s... which cannot be "spoon fed", as with feeding wilt in the paint. Once wilt had it within 5-8 feet there was essentially no stopping him. (as in 6'6 white PFs could literally not stop him)

DirtySanchez
08-24-2012, 03:28 AM
its pointless to talk about underrating stars tho bcuz we do it to all of them. every1 gets a retirement boost...
This...like an ex girlfriend who annoyed the hell out of you but after u break up...well F it bad anonolgy

jongib369
08-24-2012, 04:01 AM
I actually just watched the highlights of this game

(raptors announcers)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsN3V56J478&feature=relmfu

and while trying to debate which one was more impressive (wilt or kobe) I realized that Wilt's performance is not documented while Kobe's was from multiple angles as well as multiple perspectives.. I think that in itself made Kobe's a lot more difficult as regular season games weren't even broadcasted during Wilt's time. This along with a lot of multiple factors, as most of kobe's points came from 3s... which cannot be "spoon fed", as with feeding wilt in the paint. Once wilt had it within 5-8 feet there was essentially no stopping him. (as in 6'6 white PFs could literally not stop him)
haha idk if you're baiting jlauber or being serious...But I'll throw in my 2 cents. I don't understand how the multiple angles thing makes it more difficult than Wilts game...NO disrespect but that one makes ZERO sense to me...If your talking about pressure of being watched by tons of people...i bet if you were to ask Kobe he would of said that was by FAR the last thing on his mind...Idk if you've ever played basketball but when I did play some organized, I actually forgot there was a lot of people watching. (I say a lot loosely haha)

And your mistaken if you think Wilt was only shooting the ball within 5 to 8 feet...he had range out to 15/16 feet and used it quite often especially in those days. Which is evident by these 2 videos. GREAT touch when he was young and less bulky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q98AC_8Cc1M

Not trying to shove wilt down your throat and I'm not trying to disrespect Kobes amazing performance, but like I said earlier

"Well, to be fair to Chamberlain, he had a 73 point game on 29-43 shooting, a 68 point game on 30-40 shooting, and a 66 point game on 29-35 (yes ... .829 shooting!) He also had a 43 point game on 18-18 shooting." -Jlauber


:bowdown:

That, Jordans 63 against the celtics and Kobe's 62(?) against the mavs is more impressive than his 81 point game IMO- me"

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 10:03 AM
46 shots lol

46 shots for 81 points is bad? :facepalm

as for the OP. Why would you bring Lebron into this?:confusedshrug:

DTreats
08-24-2012, 10:06 AM
Has LeBron even broken 60 yet? :roll:
Yes actually

3/21/08 at cavs scrimmag
61 pts
12 assists
14 rebounds

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 10:11 AM
2006 Toronto Raptors is SEVERELY overrated

Kobe scored 11pts .417fg% the other game in Toronto. Lakers still won by 9

:roll:

because the rest of Kobe's team actually played well that game. Everyone outside of Kobe and George shot at least 50%. While only 2 people in Toronto shot over 50% and they werent even the leading scorers for their team.

Now I'm guessing you are going to reply and say Kobe got carried.

Heilige
08-24-2012, 10:32 AM
Already saw many better.


Can you list them?

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 10:35 AM
Already saw many better.

I wanna know too, even though I can just look them up on basketballreference.

KOBE143
08-24-2012, 10:56 AM
Can you list them?
He's trolling.. Theres no way he saw a lot better than Kobe's 81 point game..

Heilige
08-24-2012, 11:27 AM
It's not underrated.

It was one of the greatest single game performances of all-time. For those who like the advanced metric, game score, the 81 point performance is ranked 2nd all-time to only Michael Jordan's 69/18 game.

I give you props for proping that 05-06 Raptors, OP. :oldlol:

But yeah, people hating on the performance because of excuses like bad defense or whatever are idiots. I'm sorry, but 81 is 81. You don't let any player own your team like that.


What are the top 10 greatest game performances of all-time, according to the advanced metric?

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 11:42 AM
What are the top 10 greatest game performances of all-time, according to the advanced metric?

I'm guessing.
1. MJ's 69-18 in 1990
2. Kobe's 81 in 2006
3. Malone's 61-18 on 21/26fg (:eek: ) and 19-23 fts in 1990
4. MJ- 59 against cavs in 1988
5. D-Rob 71 in 1994
6. Dom Wilkins - 57 against MJ's bulls in 1986
7-8(tied) 2 games both by MJ - 54-14-6 19/31 fg 15/17ft against Cavs again in 1989
58 points against Nets in 1987
9. Kobe against portland in 2007 - 65 points
10. Reggie miller against Charlotte Hornets in 1992 - 57points


idk how they calculated it. But it's a shame Kobe's 62 in 3 quarters isn't amongst the top.

Heilige
08-24-2012, 11:47 AM
I'm guessing.
1. MJ's 69-18 in 1990
2. Kobe's 81 in 2006
3. Malone's 61-18 on 21/26fg (:eek: ) and 19-23 fts in 1990
4. MJ- 59 against cavs in 1988
5. D-Rob 71 in 1994
6. Dom Wilkins - 57 against MJ's bulls in 1986
7-8(tied) 2 games both by MJ - 54-14-6 19/31 fg 15/17ft against Cavs again in 1989
58 points against Nets in 1987
9. Kobe against portland in 2007 - 65 points
10. Reggie miller against Charlotte Hornets in 1992 - 57points


idk how they calculated it. But it's a shame Kobe's 62 in 3 quarters isn't amongst the top.


Thanks.

What are Kobe's top 10 game performances and what are Jordan's top 10 Game performances?

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 11:48 AM
Thanks.

What are Kobe's top 10 game performances and what are Jordan's top 10 Game performances?

are we basing them on that same system?

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 11:50 AM
Just because Kobe didnt score 100 doesn't mean Wilt shouldn't be credited for it. Laker Fans. :facepalm

sigh....how are you in the green.....

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/game_score_game.html

"Note: Game leaders since the 1985-86 season (1985 playoffs)"


Edit: ok, thank you for deleting your post.

funnystuff
08-24-2012, 11:51 AM
sigh....how are you in the green.....

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/game_score_game.html

"Note: Game leaders since the 1985-86 season (1985 playoffs)"
Yes i just realised. Hence the deletion.

Heilige
08-24-2012, 11:57 AM
are we basing them on that same system?


yeah

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 11:59 AM
yeah

well I posted that link 2 posts ago, you can check that out. (i'm too lazy to list them here :D). That's a regular season "gamescore" and there's also a playoff gamescore. MJ has more higher "gamescore" games than Kobe. Like way more.

Heilige
08-24-2012, 12:03 PM
well I posted that link 2 posts ago, you can check that out. (i'm too lazy to list them here :D). That's a regular season "gamescore" and there's also a playoff gamescore. MJ has more higher "gamescore" games than Kobe. Like way more.


Thanks! :cheers:


Can you post a link to the playoff gamescore?

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 12:04 PM
Thanks! :cheers:


Can you post a link to the playoff gamescore?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/game_score_game_p.html

G.O.A.T
08-24-2012, 12:06 PM
Can you list them?

Off the top of my head

2007 game five vs. Pistons in ECF

2012 game four vs. Pacers

2012 game six vs. Boston

2009 Game four vs. Atlanta

2009 Game one vs. Orlando

just based on how much more important these games were and how much it was about winning not stats, these are much more impressive/significant performances.

Wilt Chamberlain was embarrassed by his 100 point game. It isn't considered his best game at all. 100 is much, much more impressive than 81 and though Kobe's demonstration was awesome to watch, it wasn't that big a deal in terms of basketball history or the legacy of a player as great as Bryant.

Heilige
08-24-2012, 12:12 PM
Off the top of my head

2007 game five vs. Pistons in ECF

2012 game four vs. Pacers

2012 game six vs. Boston

2009 Game four vs. Atlanta

2009 Game one vs. Orlando

just based on how much more important these games were and how much it was about winning not stats, these are much more impressive/significant performances.

Wilt Chamberlain was embarrassed by his 100 point game. It isn't considered his best game at all. 100 is much, much more impressive than 81 and though Kobe's demonstration was awesome to watch, it wasn't that big a deal in terms of basketball history or the legacy of a player as great as Bryant.


That makes sense. :cheers:

In terms of importance, what do you feel were Kobe's 10 best games as well as Jordan's 10 best?

staywhite
08-24-2012, 12:24 PM
how many assist did he have that game? when you always chuck 25 times a game on 31% shooting eventually you will have a big game

G.O.A.T
08-24-2012, 12:26 PM
That makes sense. :cheers:

In terms of importance, what do you feel were Kobe's 10 best games as well as Jordan's 10 best?

I'd have to really research that but some obvious candidates would be...

MJ
Flu game
63 in the Garden
55 in the '93 Finals
Game seven vs. Knicks in 1992
Game one of the 1992 Finals (the six three's)

Kobe
Game six versus Suns in '06
Any number of playoff games versus the Kings (game 4 of the sweep most memorably)
The 81 game
Closeout game vs. Spurs in 2008 that got Lakers to finals
Game one vs. Magic in Finals

DTreats
08-24-2012, 12:27 PM
how many assist did he have that game? when you always chuck 25 times a game on 31% shooting eventually you will have a big game
Then why hasn't Wade had any

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 12:30 PM
how many assist did he have that game? when you always chuck 25 times a game on 31% shooting eventually you will have a big game

he shot 60+%, how is that remotely close to 31%. :confusedshrug:

lilbeastnani
08-24-2012, 12:33 PM
You mean overrated? I watched that game and the last 4-5 mins or so when the game was no longer in doubt, he was clearly just running up his point total. You could even see Brian Shaw talking to him during that final timeout they took probably filling him in on how many points he had and telling him to get to at least 80. By the end he was literally just catching the ball, getting double teamed, dribbling around in circles and then chucking up wild 3's.

AlphaWolf24
08-24-2012, 12:38 PM
Off the top of my head

2007 game five vs. Pistons in ECF

2012 game four vs. Pacers

2012 game six vs. Boston

2009 Game four vs. Atlanta

2009 Game one vs. Orlando

just based on how much more important these games were and how much it was about winning not stats, these are much more impressive/significant performances.

Wilt Chamberlain was embarrassed by his 100 point game. It isn't considered his best game at all. 100 is much, much more impressive than 81 and though Kobe's demonstration was awesome to watch, it wasn't that big a deal in terms of basketball history or the legacy of a player as great as Bryant.

I would say most of the basketball community would put Kobe's 81 point game higher (in terms of importance) then any of those games..

81 points in a game is Legendary and will be remembered.....go to any casual fan and they will know about Kobe scoring 81 points...

especially over any of those games you listed.

Dragonyeuw
08-24-2012, 12:51 PM
People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html).


Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.
Jalen Rose - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.
Matt Bonner - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.
Jose Calderon - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.
Charlie Villanueva - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.
Mike James - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.




This performance was incredible by any measure, but your reasoning above is beyond stupid.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
08-24-2012, 12:58 PM
I would say most of the basketball community would put Kobe's 81 point game higher (in terms of importance) then any of those games..

81 points in a game is Legendary and will be remembered.....go to any casual fan and they will know about Kobe scoring 81 points...

especially over any of those games you listed.

Who cares about the casual fan? :confusedshrug:

G.O.A.T
08-24-2012, 12:59 PM
I would say most of the basketball community would put Kobe's 81 point game higher (in terms of importance) then any of those games..

81 points in a game is Legendary and will be remembered.....go to any casual fan and they will know about Kobe scoring 81 points...

especially over any of those games you listed.

Yes, t'll be like Wilt scoring 100. Memorable because of the big number. But

Wilt's 100
Kobe's 81
David Thompson's 73
Baylor's 71
Robinson's 71
Jordan's 69

we remember those numbers yes, but those weren't their best games. How could their best game be judged by such a simple stat alone. Does that mean at his best David Thompson was slightly better than Jordan at his best?

The question wasn't which game will be most memorable. It was "will LeBron ever play a single game on par with Kobe's 81 point game?"

The point being to try and say that Kobe at his best was better than LeBron will ever be at his best.

Dragonyeuw
08-24-2012, 01:05 PM
Not sure Lebron has the scoring arsenal( or mentality) to score 81 points. Kobe is one of, if not the, great streak scorers ever and this night was just a case where he simply caught fire and just couldn't be stopped.

AlphaWolf24
08-24-2012, 01:26 PM
Who cares about the casual fan? :confusedshrug:

David Stern....NBA Players....NBA Owners.....pretty much everyone involved with basketball all the way to the elementary level.

DKLaker
08-24-2012, 01:28 PM
If Kobe played the 4th, I think Kobe wouldve dropped 72-76 vs a good Dallas team which is more impressive than 81 vs a sucky Raptors team.

Its like a college football game. Is it more impressive to score 40 on a SEC defense or 70 on a WAC defense.

Would've could've???? It's only about reality of what was really done.
Dallas quit in that game, Toronto was fighting for a win and had been leading BIG.

Funny thing was that on the way to the game, I was complaining about how Kobe could've done something legendary against Dallas and put up 80+ points if he had played the 4th quarter. Foolishly I said "He may never have a chance to do anything like that again" :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

RRR3
08-24-2012, 01:29 PM
Not sure Lebron has the scoring arsenal( or mentality) to score 81 points. Kobe is one of, if not the, great streak scorers ever and this night was just a case where he simply caught fire and just couldn't be stopped.
Kobe in his prime was a ridiculous scorer, literally unstoppable, to be sure. However, LeBron is a spectacular scorer in his own right, quite underrated in that regard IMO. Now, I'm not sure LeBron could ever score 81 (he doesn't have the mentality to, he may have the ability to though), but there have been games I've seen LeBron simply unstoppable from anywhere on the floor but he eventually will stop scoring and start getting his teammates involved. An example is game 6 against Boston this year in the ECF, I feel he could have easily had 50-60 that game if he sought to keep scoring.

Dragonyeuw
08-24-2012, 01:50 PM
However, LeBron is a spectacular scorer in his own right, quite underrated in that regard IMO. Now, I'm not sure LeBron could ever score 81 (he doesn't have the mentality to, he may have the ability to though), but there have been games I've seen LeBron simply unstoppable

Sure Lebron has the ability to score 50-60 when his jumpshot is on, but prime Kobe on one of his streaks was literally like watching NBA Jam 'on fire' mode from outside. I don't think Lebron is capable of getting 'that' hot. We can speculate that he 'could', but it's just speculation. We know Kobe can, because we've seen it.

Legends66NBA7
08-24-2012, 02:01 PM
What are the top 10 greatest game performances of all-time, according to the advanced metric?

Regular Season wise, these are the Top 10:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/game_score_game.html

And since you asked for Jordan and Kobe too...

There are 22 Jordan performances in that list and 6 Kobe performances. 4 of Jordan's 22 are in the Top 10. 2 of Kobe's 6 are in the Top 10.

riseagainst
08-24-2012, 02:07 PM
Regular Season wise, these are the Top 10:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/game_score_game.html

And since you asked for Jordan and Kobe too...

There are 22 Jordan performances in that list and 6 Kobe performances. 4 of Jordan's 22 are in the Top 10. 2 of Kobe's 6 are in the Top 10.

I havent been able to really find the answer to this question: the gmSc (gamescore) that site refers to, how is that calculated?

franchise#3
08-24-2012, 02:08 PM
Still can't believe that Jack missed this game.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
08-24-2012, 02:10 PM
David Stern....NBA Players....NBA Owners.....pretty much everyone involved with basketball all the way to the elementary level.

I'm talking from a fan perspective. Who really cares what some newbie thinks? :oldlol:

Legends66NBA7
08-24-2012, 02:20 PM
I havent been able to really find the answer to this question: the gmSc (gamescore) that site refers to, how is that calculated?

Sure thing:


As an extension of the Player Efficiency Rating, Hollinger also developed a simpler formula that quantifies how impressive a player's individual performance is in a given game. The Hollinger Game Score formula is:

(Points x 1.0) + (FGM x 0.4) + (FGA x -0.7) + ((FTA-FTM) x -0.4) + (OREB x 0.7) + (DREB x 0.3) + (STL x 1.0) + (AST x 0.7) + (BLK x 0.7) + (PF x -0.4) + (TO x -1.0)

The entire modern box score of the player is needed for calculation, including offensive and defensive rebounding, steals, blocks and turnovers, so the Hollinger Game Score can only be applied to games played since the 1978 season.

It is a very similar measure to Player Efficiency Rating in that it focuses upon how effective and efficient a player's performance is, except that it does not factor in time played in the game and other tangibles, such as the strength of the opponent, the strength of the opponent's defense, the strength of the primary defender, and the location at which the game is played.

And it also doesn't take into account minutes played.

I don't use this formula to guage players, but I do try to keep tabs on them since their interesting and a way to look at things in a different prespective.

AlphaWolf24
08-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Yes, t'll be like Wilt scoring 100. Memorable because of the big number. But

Wilt's 100
Kobe's 81
David Thompson's 73
Baylor's 71
Robinson's 71
Jordan's 69

we remember those numbers yes, but those weren't their best games. How could their best game be judged by such a simple stat alone. Does that mean at his best David Thompson was slightly better than Jordan at his best?

The question wasn't which game will be most memorable. It was "will LeBron ever play a single game on par with Kobe's 81 point game?"

The point being to try and say that Kobe at his best was better than LeBron will ever be at his best.




- Most fans aren't gonna say ..."Oh MJ's 63 points.....not his absolute best....he actually played a game against the Warroirs back in 92'....he was struggling early but had a triple double, dove for the ball late in the game and willed his team back from double digits...a far better game then scoring 63 points and Losing.

They look at MJ scoring 63 points...maybe his best game?..who cares if he lost??


- It is only one stat...but to most people it's the most important. You can't really judge a great game on 2 stats or 3 stats or 4 etc....you have to watch the game and make a judgement on your own....and since most basketball fans hear about or watched the 81 points...it becomes an iconic moment....just as Wilt's 100 or MJ's 63.

- The point bieng....Most fans remember MJ's 63...or his 69 too go along with 9 scoring titles and 6 championships....many Iconic moments to solidify MJ over David Thompson scoring 71 points once...too many MJ iconic moments vs Thomsons lonely one....so no one will say David at his best was better then MJ.

Most fans remember Kobe's 81...or his 42 points in one half...or his 62 points in 3 quarters...or his 9 straight 40 point games....5 rangz!.....so many iconic moments vs Lebrons ....(the Gap is not like MJ vs David Thompson..Lebron is a much greater player with more moments then Thompson) ...

but the point bieng at his best Kobe will be remembered as a much greater scorer then Lebron....

AlphaWolf24
08-24-2012, 02:36 PM
I'm talking from a fan perspective. Who really cares what some newbie thinks? :oldlol:


From a fan perspective.....those of us who argue all day long or every once in a while online about advanced stats or why Player A's game wasn't as good as that one time when he shot .3% higher FG% and had 2 more rebounds...make up a very small % of the overall fanbase..

- who really cares what we the "hardcore fans" thinks?....that is the question...

- Most fans don't care what we the 1% think.....and Like I said earlyer...either does the players , GM's , and 99% of all the other people who follow the sport.

ILLsmak
08-24-2012, 02:46 PM
People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html).


Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.
Jalen Rose - Led the Fab Five in scoring (19 PPG), a career-best 24/4/5 NBA player. 17/5/6 during the game.
Matt Bonner - 1x NBA champion, 1x NBA 3PT% Leader, a decent role playe for his limited minutes.
Jose Calderon - Toronto's all-time leader in assists, a career 10/2.5/7.2 player.
Charlie Villanueva - Averaged 13/6.4/1.1 in 2005-06.
Mike James - He was averaging 20.3/3.3/5.8 on 37 MPG and 79 games in 2005-06. He put up a nice double-double during the game. Led his team with 26 points, 10 assists, 2 steals on 66.7% FG, 75% 3PT.


Meanwhile Kobe had Odom and shit for teammates in 2006. Smush, Kwame, Mihm, Cook, George, Walton?

Other reasons Kobe's performance was so impressive:


LA was down by 14 at the half (TOR 63 - LAL 49). Kobe's insane run in the 2nd half ended the game with LA up by 18 (TOR 104 - LAL 122).


He put up those 81 points on incredible efficiency: 60.9% FG (28-46), 53.8% 3PT (7-13), 90% FT (18-20).


He led all 4 quarters in scoring; 1st- 14 pts, 2nd- 12 pts, 3rd- 27 pts, 4th- 28 pts


He put on this insane scoring show with only 3 turnovers in the game. In comparison, Odom had 4 turnovers on his 8 points in that game. Two days before Kobe's 81-point game, LeBron was losing to the Warriors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601200GSW.html) and putting up 14 points on 6 turnovers and 5 for 22 shooting (22.7%) from the field.


Kobe's advanced metrics during this game: 73.9 TS%, 23.0 AST%, 158 ORtg, 107 DRtg


lol matt bonner the 1 time nba champion.

-Smak

Bigsmoke
08-25-2012, 02:41 PM
who is Kobr?


see

Kobe stans can't even spell:banghead:

Kobr
08-25-2012, 05:46 PM
He doesn't know about kobr. :oldlol:

KG215
08-25-2012, 06:03 PM
lol matt bonner the 1 time nba champion.

-Smak

Not to mention Kobe scored 81 on Bonner's Raptors in 2006. At that time Bonner was a 0x champ.

Besides, it's Matt Bonner. Who cares if he's a 5x champ?

chazzy
08-25-2012, 06:05 PM
Besides, it's Matt Bonner. Who cares if he's a 5x champ?
Knowing that he won a title in his career made this game just a little more impressive to me

KG215
08-25-2012, 06:13 PM
Knowing that he won a title in his career made this game just a little more impressive to me

And it was such an impressive playoff run, too. He averaged 2.8 mpg, 0.8 ppg, and 0.3 rpg in the playoffs. He was so impressive in the first three rounds, Popovich didn't even play him a single minute in the Finals because that's the only way he felt the series would be as fair as possible.

BGriffin's Dad
08-29-2012, 12:01 AM
so what... did Kobe have a game with 47 points, 14 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block on 79.2% FG (19-24) and 81.8% FT (9-11) in his rookie season?

Griffin did... 01/17/2011

DKLaker
08-29-2012, 12:44 AM
so what... did Kobe have a game with 47 points, 14 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block on 79.2% FG (19-24) and 81.8% FT (9-11) in his rookie season?

Griffin did... 01/17/2011

:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

Dumbass doesn't know how old Kobe was compared to Griffin nor that it was his Rookie season only on a technicality.
Blake will never approach Kobe as a player.....dumb to even post that crap.

Deuce Bigalow
08-29-2012, 12:53 AM
Some facts about that game:

Kobe scored 81/122 of his team's points = 66.4%
That is the highest in NBA History.

Last 3 Quarters
Kobe - 66
Raptors entire team - 68

2nd Half
Kobe - 55
Raptors entire team - 41

Vertical-24
08-29-2012, 12:55 AM
Great game but his game against Dallas was more impressive.

Same way I feel. Absolutely AMAZING performance from Kobe. Outscoring an entire team in just 3qtrs. And an elite team at that, which is what also makes the performance special and irrefutable by Kobe-haters.

A 60-22 record Dallas Mavericks team that had made the Finals later that year...holy sh!t lol

ripthekik
08-29-2012, 01:13 AM
lebron couldnt if he tried, he'd just ask bosh n wade to chip in.

Hands of Iron
08-29-2012, 01:17 AM
so what... did Kobe have a game with 47 points, 14 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block on 79.2% FG (19-24) and 81.8% FT (9-11) in his rookie season?

Griffin did... 01/17/2011

lol :rolleyes:

The Iron Fist
02-05-2013, 01:20 AM
:applause:

Money 23
02-05-2013, 01:28 AM
It's actually severely overrated. Competition was a joke, gunned even after getting the team back in the game with his scoring and refused to even use any of the defensive attention given to him to even get any additional assists, even by happen stance he should've got a few extra.

His 62 in 3 is overrated too. Competition was better, but the amount of free-throws he got was absurd. All attributed to those weak touch call rules of the 2006 and 2007 season.

Kobe's more impressive scoring games 52 in 3 quarters on AK47 in 2007 (when he was still an elite defender), his 56 in 3 quarters on Shane Battier in 2002, his 61 in the Garden on Wilson Chandler, his 65 on the Blazers in 2007, and his 42 points at the half, 55 points total v.s. old MJ's Wizards on a very good defender at the time (Larry Hughes)

That and his 48 point playoff performance on JR Smith in the 2008 playoffs, to me ... much more impressive scoring games.

oh the horror
02-05-2013, 01:36 AM
I wouldnt say its underrated. Most people applaud the great play of kobe that game. It's just that in this forum, people choose to disregard the impressiveness of this performance for their own personnel reasons. spurting nonsense like "it was only against the raptors" or "if blah blah blah took 35+ shots, theyd score 81 points too" totally disregarding the fact of how hard it is to get off your own shot off in the nba, let alone making over 50% of them to score 81. claims like that should just be ignored, because regardless of the opposing team or shots taken, an 81 point performance is absolutely amazing. Its really a head scratcher that some people actually deny the impressiveness of said game.


This and only this. If one can't look at this in a professional NBA game and give it props then that's really their loss.


This thread is sadness mixed with virginity mixed with teenage angst.

TheBigVeto
02-05-2013, 02:14 AM
http://oi53.tinypic.com/34rtwyh.jpg


http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh600/Rodman2124/kobeclutch.gif


U Mad Kobetards?
Kobetards are phaggits
Kobet isn't a great player, FACT

Cali Syndicate
02-05-2013, 02:23 AM
It's actually severely overrated. Competition was a joke, gunned even after getting the team back in the game with his scoring and refused to even use any of the defensive attention given to him to even get any additional assists, even by happen stance he should've got a few extra.

His 62 in 3 is overrated too. Competition was better, but the amount of free-throws he got was absurd. All attributed to those weak touch call rules of the 2006 and 2007 season.

Kobe's more impressive scoring games 52 in 3 quarters on AK47 in 2007 (when he was still an elite defender), his 56 in 3 quarters on Shane Battier in 2002, his 61 in the Garden on Wilson Chandler, his 65 on the Blazers in 2007, and his 42 points at the half, 55 points total v.s. old MJ's Wizards on a very good defender at the time (Larry Hughes)

That and his 48 point playoff performance on JR Smith in the 2008 playoffs, to me ... much more impressive scoring games.

yeah, Larry Hughes played 2 whole minutes that game.

Money 23
02-05-2013, 02:26 AM
yeah, Larry Hughes played 2 whole minutes that game.
Maybe I was confusing Jerry Stackhouse?

roffie
02-05-2013, 02:34 AM
godBe gonna god

Vragrant
02-05-2013, 02:35 AM
It is what it is, an amazing performance against an awful defensive team.

tazb
02-05-2013, 02:38 AM
Cool, now let's see Kobe have a big game (obviously not as big as this) when it matters - in the playoffs. Preferably in the Western Conference Finals or the Finals, but just the playoffs will be fine. :lol

Deuce Bigalow
02-05-2013, 02:43 AM
Cool, now let's see Kobe have a big game (obviously not as big as this) when it matters - in the playoffs. Preferably in the Western Conference Finals or the Finals, but just the playoffs will be fine. :lol
Yeah. He's never had a big game or great series in the playoffs.

ripthekik
02-05-2013, 02:49 AM
Cool, now let's see Kobe have a big game (obviously not as big as this) when it matters - in the playoffs. Preferably in the Western Conference Finals or the Finals, but just the playoffs will be fine. :lol
yeah, he doesn't get to play with the Sixers, Bucks, Hawks and get a 7 game series against them all the time

chazzy
02-05-2013, 02:50 AM
Yeah. He's never had a big game or great series in the playoffs.
And the guy said WCF of all things.. that's where Kobe's had some of his best series/playoff games :oldlol: Make your age less obvious

Deuce Bigalow
02-05-2013, 03:01 AM
And the guy said WCF of all things.. that's where Kobe's had some of his best series/playoff games :oldlol: Make your age less obvious
Kobe's probably the greatest WCF performer of all-time. Only Magic can have an argument against him.

brandonislegend
02-05-2013, 03:11 AM
46 shots lol

81 points on 46 shots is bad? :wtf:

ihatetimthomas
02-05-2013, 04:42 AM
Its severely underrated here in this crap of a site bc there are so many trolls and haters that will do anything to discredit Kobe. I don't care if they were a crap team or they signle covered him. He is still playing against the best in the world. And why hasnt anyone come remotely close to 81 since? The excuses pile up to discredit. But people with sensible minds and no agendas understand the greatness of that game and that it likely will never happen again.

wagexslave
02-05-2013, 06:25 AM
It was a great game. The defense of those Raptors was definitely awful though. But you also have to look at the team Kobe was on. He was the whole team practically. He had the green light to shoot as much as he wanted.

Who's to say another player in the same league(or close) as Kobe wouldn't have scored around the same amount of points on a night like that where you're getting that crazy amount of shot attempts, and having a good shooting night, against a bad team?

I think the reason that it's underrated is because there's pretty much nobody in today's league that would ever have as much of a green light to take as many shot attempts as Kobe did on that otherwise mediocre Lakers squad.

The-Legend-24
02-05-2013, 07:21 AM
Cool, now let's see Kobe have a big game (obviously not as big as this) when it matters - in the playoffs. Preferably in the Western Conference Finals or the Finals, but just the playoffs will be fine. :lol
I'm really starting to believe that these LeBron fanboys started watching the NBA after The Decision.

CeltsGarlic
02-05-2013, 07:24 AM
His post was made on 08-24 .Real kobe fan. Props.

AussieG
02-05-2013, 12:17 PM
I am not a fan of Kobe but he was very good in this game. I still have it on my PC somewhere.

He was still chucking a lot though.. they were a bad team.. similar to this year's Lakers team.. but in this one game.. he was super human. Especially in getting to the FT line.. and getting the whistles. And hitting shot after shot.

It's the kind of performance that AI or Kobe fans love.. because their hero seems like a god. But who coaches or team fans hate.. because it only justifies more chucking and hero ball.

But in this one game.. it worked.. and he played like he wasn't human. You can't criticise anything Kobe did in this game.. because it was one of the all time great performances from an NBA player.

KOBE143
02-05-2013, 12:19 PM
This is the real Masterpiece..

I agree it is SEVERELY underrated..

Greatest single game performance of all time.. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Mr. I'm So Rad
02-05-2013, 12:25 PM
Who's to say another player in the same league(or close) as Kobe wouldn't have scored around the same amount of points on a night like that where you're getting that crazy amount of shot attempts, and having a good shooting night, against a bad team?


Why do people create these hypothetical situations? You think guys haven't taken lots of shots against bad teams before? LeBron had his career high against the same team and no one gives him shit about it. Jordan had his career high against a team that gave up 102 ppg, and no one tries to downplay it.

The fact is Kobe had an all time great performance that will most likely never be replicated again just like some other players in NBA history.

Kobr
11-14-2013, 04:59 PM
People actually choosing 63 points in double overtime (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316751)

guy
11-14-2013, 05:20 PM
People try to downplay Kobe's game by referring to the competition, but wow seriously? The OP seriously listed the Raptors' players' resume and tried to make it sound impressive?

SamuraiSWISH
11-14-2013, 05:21 PM
I actually think it's quite overrated. Why isn't David Robinson's 71 point game not talked about near as much? It's impressive, it's not what Kobe stans crack it up to be. Extreme amounts of talent, at times polarizing and relentlessly selfish. There was points where the game was in hand where he could've got others involved.

tpols
11-14-2013, 05:23 PM
I actually think it's quite overrated. Why isn't David Robinson's 71 point game not talked about near as much? It's impressive, it's not what Kobe stans crack it up to be. Extreme amounts of talent, at times polarizing and relentlessly selfish. There was points where the game was in hand where he could've got others involved.
David Robinson is probably the least talked about and most underrated player ever...

Psileas
11-14-2013, 05:29 PM
Also, why isn't David Thompson's 73-point game recognised as arguably the GOAT scoring performance when he shot 28-38 FG and 17-20 FT's? Even better, he had the most unbelievably scorching hot halftime ever, since he had 53 points on 20-23 FG's in the first half alone.

PickernRoller
11-14-2013, 07:24 PM
Obviously it's underrated. Trying to convince the haters or making them admit a fact is comical. They'll downplay it till they die. It's part of the game.

sportjames23
11-14-2013, 07:50 PM
It's arguably the best performance in NBA history, so I seriously doubt any current player will even come close.


69 points, 18 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals, 1 block against a better team on the road >>>> 81 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals, 1 block against the shittiest team in the league at home.

T.O.RapsJays
11-14-2013, 08:20 PM
People like to try to minimize such an amazing game by Kobe by claiming the Raptors were terrible, but let's take a look at the guys on their 2005-06 roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html).

[LIST=1]
Chris Bosh - 1x NBA champion, 7x All-Star, Toronto's all-time leading scorer, he was putting up 22.5/9.2/2.6 on 50.5% in 2005-06. Had 18/8/2 during the game.

I'm not going to get into an argument about the performance (not a Kobe fan but whether or not it was the best performance of all time (which it obviously wasn't) it was clearly impressive), but really, mentioning career achievements of a player who at the time didn't even have half of what you mentioned? The logic here is obviously flawed to say that the Raptor's team was good (which it wasn't) because it had players like FUTURE NBA Champion and Raptor's all-time scoring leader Chris Bosh.

The argument can only be focused on what he was playing against at the time and in what context, you only lose credibility by doing something like this. And I only chose Bosh because it was the one that standed out the most.

TheMarkMadsen
11-14-2013, 09:37 PM
Haters can try to down play it all they want but 81 points is beyond comprehension. People didnt believe it at first.

And it's funny how Kobe haters (usually downplayed by fans of Lebron) wanna at like 81 agains the raptors somehow makes it less impressive. But as far as I remember every team in the league played the raptors that year an no plays got close to 81.

Lebrons career high came against that same team..in a loss. With a better supporting cast than Kobe.

At the end of the day 81 points is 81 points, only 2 people in 60+ years was able to do it. 6"6 perimeter players aren't supposed to be able to get 81.

Go in the gym tomorrow, and try to score 81 points by yourself alone guarded by nobody. Even that is exausting.

ProfessorMurder
11-14-2013, 09:39 PM
Go in the gym tomorrow, and try to score 81 points by yourself alone guarded by nobody. Even that is exausting.

You can't make 40 shots without being exhausted? You fat f*ck.

ballup
11-14-2013, 09:48 PM
Go in the gym tomorrow, and try to score 81 points by yourself alone guarded by nobody. Even that is exausting.
I've done that before. All the shots were 5 feet from the rim, but I was still good. I'm pretty proud of myself.

AintNoSunshine
11-14-2013, 10:02 PM
Will we ever see a single-game performance by LeBron on par with Kobe's 81?

I doubt it.

:oldlol:

Lebron taking over the pistons in game 5 of the Playoffs

and single-handedly beating boston in game 6 of the Playoffs

is more legendary and greater than anything Kobe has ever done on a basketball court

TheMarkMadsen
11-14-2013, 10:40 PM
You can't make 40 shots without being exhausted? You fat f*ck.

:lol

Kobr
07-30-2014, 09:42 PM
:oldlol:

Lebron taking over the pistons in game 5 of the Playoffs

and single-handedly beating boston in game 6 of the Playoffs

is more legendary and greater than anything Kobe has ever done on a basketball court

I don't even remember the two games you just listed. How many points did LeBron score?

Kobr
06-24-2015, 09:45 PM
His post was made on 08-24 .Real kobe fan. Props.

Lol, didn't even realize. But yes I am, ty.

Mr Feeny
07-31-2015, 05:13 AM
As a Laker fan, I think this game is very overrated. I only wish we had this type of game in the playoffs. Instead, 1 point in the second half of game 7 and we lose and are eliminated:( I am sad as a Laker fan.

ImmortalNemesis
08-03-2015, 02:45 PM
As a massive Kobe lover, I love Kobe.

Lakersfamftw
02-25-2016, 12:49 PM
Agree. Laker haters are jealous and try to discredit it. Yet Kobe is the only guard to ever score 81.

crisoner
02-25-2016, 03:01 PM
Difference between him and Wilt's 100....Kobe had to score further from basket and drive to get fouled.

IMO I think Kobe's 81 was a greater feat.

alexthegod
02-26-2016, 10:18 PM
Difference between him and Wilt's 100....Kobe had to score further from basket and drive to get fouled.

IMO I think Kobe's 81 was a greater feat.

100 with no three point line is a crazy feat!

Its only a matter of time until Steph curry goes nuts for 90!