Do You See Kyrie Becoming the Best PG in the NBA

[SilkkTheShocker]

He is on the verge of being a top 5 PG imo. I would personally take him over Rose or Deron Williams right now.

[FindingTim]

no.
but it's nothing on Kyrie-- it's just that he is a scoring point guard in a league filled with really good scoring point guards. if he shows more signs of being a great passer, then we can talk #1.

[therammingman]

reminds me of terrell brandon

[brandonislegend]

John wall will be the best pg in 2 years in terms of offense and defense, now that they got rid of all the retards on the wizards people will see

[SilkkTheShocker]

John wall will be the best pg in 2 years in terms of offense and defense, now that they got rid of all the retards on the wizards people will see


Nah. I personally think Wall will be a fixture on bad/mediocre teams for years to come.

[brandonislegend]

They got a decent squad next year and at least they have some IQ this year, he'll leave as a free agent anyways

[JellyBean]

I do. He has so much upside in his game that I think that he is probably a year or two away from being the best PG in the NBA.

[MrWarrior]

They got a decent squad next year and at least they have some IQ this year, he'll leave as a free agent anyways

I actually see John Wall staying, if they do make the playoffs this year.

Maybe DMC will join him in the future, and if they both reach potential, they could win a championship. :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

They got a decent squad next year and at least they have some IQ this year, he'll leave as a free agent anyways
Something about him. IDK, just doesn't strike me as someone that will ever put it all together. But will see

[Ikill]

no.
but it's nothing on Kyrie-- it's just that he is a scoring point guard in a league filled with really good scoring point guards. if he shows more signs of being a great passer, then we can talk #1.
stupid logic

[Ikill]

yes

[jbryan1984]

I absolutely think he will be. He is like a combo of CP3, D-Will and Westbrook. I say he will be even with Chris Paul at worst. Just the things I saw him do against teams like the Celtics, as a rookie...... its just things you rarely see in the league. I forget what stats he matched (I think it might of been rookies in the fourth quarter) but his numbers matched Magic, Durant, Wade and LeBron.

[wang4three]

It's a long road, but he has a shot at it. Especially with Rondo, CP3 and Deron getting towards their 30s. By the time Irving hits his prime, Deron and CP probably will be in their 30s and Rondo will be like 29 or something.

I like his instincts more than Westbrook and Wall so the only other one he'd have to compete against is Derrick Rose and that will not be an easy battle--unless Rose's career is significantly impacted with the injury.

[Batz]

Him and John Wall are just destined for great things. Best PGs? I don't know, but they are already great talents, and have too many upsides to not be great point guards.

[FireDavidKahn]

Rather have Rubio.:cheers:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Rather have Rubio.:cheers:
:cheers:

[EnoughSaid]

Yes, most definitely. He's a prolific scorer already, and a fantastic passer. Only see him adding on from this point. Hopefully no horrible injuries or problems with his health. :bowdown:

[strifed169]

Why do people keep mentioning J Wall, he sucks and has nothing on the likes of Kyrie

[BrickingStar]

Yes but he won't win anything with cleveland or LeBron at his prime so were going to wait what he can do when there isn't a GOD in his conference and see what he does in the playoffs

[Clifton]

John wall will be the best pg in 2 years in terms of offense and defense,
Why does everyone say this? Has anyone watched him play? I've watched quite a bit of him. John Wall does not have top PG talent; not even top 10 talent; maybe not even top 30. Yes he's athletic. Yes he's big, yes he's fast. But his instinct for the game is mediocre. He does not read situations well. He is never "in the right place at the right time" the way that guys like Jason Kidd, Chris Paul are; guys who are top PGs.

He's the kind of guy who could, if he were put in a great situation like Rajon Rondo was, make some all-star games and be very highly regarded and make many peoples' top 15, or even top 10, lists. But he doesn't have "Put me on your team and I'll make David West look like Karl Malone; no matter what your roster is I'll make you an above-average playoff team at least" ability like Chris Paul. Nor "I'll just take care of 90% of the scoring and let everyone else handle the defense and we'll win 60 games" ability like Derrick Rose.

[NuggetsFan]

Irving showed a killer instinct players rarely show, regardless of age or experience. That being said I'll wait before I declare him the PG of the future. Blake Griffin looked like the next great HOFer his rookie year and than the Clippers became competitive and he kinda took more of a reduced role. Not that it'll happen to Kryie but think a player should make the postseason before being deemed the best PG.

Either way for right now I think he'll be up there. I think the league is insanely deep in every way for PG's. I don't think any one PG will be the consensus best point in the next 4-5 years. Steve Nash is the only real PG that'll be dropping off soon. A guy like Chris Paul or Rondo probably plays elite ball at 31-32 and they're like 26-27 right now. John Wall probably be included in those talks as well, all tho he's continuously let me down regardless of a low IQ roster.

[SyRyanYang]

I know he had a great rookie year. But has this kind of thread to be made every week??? Can't we just let him play and enjoy before come to any conclusions?

[PyrrhusX]

Rather have Rubio.:cheers:


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Personally, its going to be hard to match the achievements of CP3, Rose and Westbrook in the near future. But who knows what will happen in 5 years?

[Clifton]

I just thought of a good comparison. John Wall is to PGs as Andrew Bynum is to Cs.

*shrug* I think it's a really good comparison.

Now imagine if Bynum were a #1 draft pick, and Wall were only picked, say 8th. You can see how Bynum would be talked of as "possibly the best center in the L in 3 years" and Wall would just be a pretty good, physically beast but low IQ and inconsistent option at PG.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Why do people keep mentioning J Wall, he sucks and has nothing on the likes of Kyrie
Yea I dont get it either. Irving s.hits on that fool

[FireDavidKahn]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Personally, its going to be hard to match the achievements of CP3, Rose and Westbrook in the near future. But who knows what will happen in 5 years?
What's funny about that?

[brandonislegend]

Why does everyone say this? Has anyone watched him play? I've watched quite a bit of him. John Wall does not have top PG talent; not even top 10 talent; maybe not even top 30. Yes he's athletic. Yes he's big, yes he's fast. But his instinct for the game is mediocre. He does not read situations well. He is never "in the right place at the right time" the way that guys like Jason Kidd, Chris Paul are; guys who are top PGs.

He's the kind of guy who could, if he were put in a great situation like Rajon Rondo was, make some all-star games and be very highly regarded and make many peoples' top 15, or even top 10, lists. But he doesn't have "Put me on your team and I'll make David West look like Karl Malone; no matter what your roster is I'll make you an above-average playoff team at least" ability like Chris Paul. Nor "I'll just take care of 90% of the scoring and let everyone else handle the defense and we'll win 60 games" ability like Derrick Rose.
:roll: how can you make proper reads playing with McGee and nick young and rashard Lewis, Gilbert arenas before and Jordan Crawford hahahahahaha he hasn't played with 1 decent player. And his defense reminds me of Gary Payton dont sleep on him just watch

[ralph_i_el]

Why does everyone say this? Has anyone watched him play? I've watched quite a bit of him. John Wall does not have top PG talent; not even top 10 talent; maybe not even top 30. Yes he's athletic. Yes he's big, yes he's fast. But his instinct for the game is mediocre. He does not read situations well. He is never "in the right place at the right time" the way that guys like Jason Kidd, Chris Paul are; guys who are top PGs.

He's the kind of guy who could, if he were put in a great situation like Rajon Rondo was, make some all-star games and be very highly regarded and make many peoples' top 15, or even top 10, lists. But he doesn't have "Put me on your team and I'll make David West look like Karl Malone; no matter what your roster is I'll make you an above-average playoff team at least" ability like Chris Paul. Nor "I'll just take care of 90% of the scoring and let everyone else handle the defense and we'll win 60 games" ability like Derrick Rose.


are you kidding me Wall has elite vision he's just played with idiots. 8 assists a game with no consistent 3 point shooters? And his numbers were better after the Young and Mcgee trades.

The only thing holding him back is shooting.

[Rubio2Gasol]

PG crop is special right now.

He had an amazing first year.

Rondo
Westbrook
Wall
Irving
Rubio :grin:

I dunno who will be top but it'll be close.

People hating on Wall...his instinct for the game is mediocre? the guy has no jumper and he lets himself get pushed too far away from the rim.That's it, the rest is on that sorry excuse for a franchise.

Can't wait for him to get out of there.

[Rondo]

He's good but I would rather have Rubio over Irving, Wall and any other young PG.

Just personal taste. Irving's a better player but I think Rubio's a better PG.

[ralph_i_el]

PG crop is special right now.

He had an amazing first year.

Rondo
Westbrook
Wall
Irving
Rubio :grin:

I dunno who will be top but it'll be close.

People hating on Wall...his instinct for the game is mediocre? the guy has no jumper and he lets himself get pushed too far away from the rim.That's it, the rest is on that sorry excuse for a franchise.

Can't wait for him to get out of there.


ted leonsis is turning this shit around you'd better believe it.

[swi7ch]

Yes.

If Kobe is afraid to play him 1v1 then he must be something special. Though I don't see him staying in CLE.

[Freedom Kid7]

There are so many great PGs, it's unsure who'll be the next great one. Kyrie's good in a manner that CP3 and Isiah in which distribution and clutch scoring occur with good decision making. He's not a traditional PG, but the traditional PG will not die with Rubio still staying healthy.

[FindingTim]

stupid logic

yeh I didn't make much sense there. let me try again:
If Kyrie wants to become better than the CP3's, D-Will's, D-Rose's, Westbrooks' of the world, he is going to have to be really really ****ing good.

is that logic more sound?

[imnew09]

Kyrie and his handles :rockon:

[Sammyp]

Kyrie has potential to be top 5 or even top 3 Pg's in nba history.

[PleezeBelieve]

Kyrie has potential to be top 5 or even top 3 Pg's in nba history.
This.

It's funny how people downplay all time great talents in the early stages of their career.

[Unforgiven]

I'm going to go with a no on this one, and im a big Kyrie fan.

Purely because I think pg's who score first, or have to carry a heavy scoring burden arn't the 'best' point guards.

I hope he proves me wrong, and definitely has the potential to.

[jdm_dc_fan]

Kyrie has potential to be top 5 or even top 3 Pg's in nba history.

1.Magic Johnson
2.Oscar Robertson
3.Kyrie Irving?

:coleman:

He will be a better outside shooting D. rose/ R. westbrook type of player. Which is damn good. Another undersized shooting guard.

[DukeDelonte13]

Top 3? absolutely.

[Rubio2Gasol]

He knows what he's doing more than Westbrook does already.

Westbrook has serious potential for the history books though , I could see him being the best scorer in the league in a couple years, which is stupid considering Durant will be his competition.

Those 2 just have too much potential.

[Clifton]

I think an interesting question would be: who would you rather have right now on a 5 year max contract: Westbrook or Irving...


how can you make proper reads playing with McGee and nick young and rashard Lewis, Gilbert arenas before and Jordan Crawford hahahahahaha he hasn't played with 1 decent player. And his defense reminds me of Gary Payton dont sleep on him just watch
This is all fair. He does play with some of the most remarkably stupid players I've ever seen; and more importantly, no smart ones. No mature ones either.

But you can still tell the great from the pretty good as far as PGs go, no matter who they're surrounded with. He may have *vision*; he may make a bunch of really sweet passes a game; but court sense is bigger than that. He doesn't have that sixth sense like a Paul or a Williams. He's more athletic than anyone at the PG spot I've seen other than D. Rose. That makes up for a little. But it doesn't make the best PG in the NBA. It doesn't make a top 5 player, a HOFer.

That said I do think I've been a bit hard on him in this thread. I would probably say yes he does have the talent to be on the lower end of the top 10. But he has a long way to go.

[GOBB]

Wall vs Irving argument is closer than some fans want to give. It can go either way at this point. As far as upside and who I see fullfilling their potential and living up to expectations? Easily Irving for me. Once he improves his terrible defense and gets more players involved in the offense? He'll be good to go. Already an excellant shooter and has the clutch gene working for him. Sky the limit for dude. Wall I'm unsure what he becomes. That jumper needs a Derrick Rose makeover.

[cavsfanatic]

One day yes but not anytime soon imo. Cavs had no scorers last season so he had to shoot a lot. His clutch shooting is amazing!

Hearing how the Olympic team raved about him has my hopes up though. I heard he killed Westbrook.

If Rondo could shoot he'd be the best pg I ever seen play.

[lilgodfather1]

Kyrie could be the best player in the league, not just at his position. Whether he gets there or not is up to him, but the Cavs got a good one.

[9512]

no.
but it's nothing on Kyrie-- it's just that he is a scoring point guard in a league filled with really good scoring point guards. if he shows more signs of being a great passer, then we can talk #1.

Just a thought though...It's strange there hasn't been that many PGs (short players) taken first in the draft for decades...magic was a "PG" but not really in the pure sense (transcendental or versatile player)...I can only of Allen Iverson in 1996 and that's it.

then in 2008, 2010, and 2011. We have D Rose, J-Wall, and Kyrie respectively.

Is the athletic PG (~6 foot 3) with a a scoring mentality the draft pick du jour?

[scm5]

Out of all the PG's, I like his and Steph Curry's game the most so I hope he becomes the best PG in the NBA.

I think he certainly has the skillset to become the best. His passing isn't as good as CP3, Rondo, or Nash's but he is a better scorer than those three.

He's definitely a better passer than Westbrook.

Not as athletic as Rose, but a much better shooter. Passing ability is about the same as Rose's when Rose first entered the league.

Kyrie will probably be a 24/4/8 player in his prime which would give him a good shot as the top PG.

[inclinerator]

before not, but after a certain vid ive seen of him, i think he could be