#12 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron James was voted the #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

27.6 PPG | 7.2 RPG | 6.9 APG

NBA Champion
2011-12 NBA Finals MVP
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[imnew09]

Im going to stop voting because the list is getting ridiculous

[sagr32]

Big O

[Sarcastic]

Oscar Robertson.

[raid09]

Oscar

[Freedom Kid7]

...I don't know what to say about Bron at 11. He basically jumped 15 spots after a ring. I understand the reasoning and all, but he's not even done with his career so I can't put him near the top 10. Just doesn't feel right. He could retire tomorrow and I'd say he isn't 11. That's just me though. I'm okay with Bron at 11.

However, I feel West is probably the next best player.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

moses

[chazzy]

West

[TheeBeast]

Oscar Robinson

[EnoughSaid]

Im going to stop voting because the list is getting ridiculous

It got ridiculous at #5...

[SilkkTheShocker]

Moses

[Dictator]

List is despicable.

[livinglegend]

:biggums: Wilt #6?

[livinglegend]

i vote for jabari parkar

[StateOfMind12]

What is the argument for Oscar over Jerry and the argument for Jerry over Oscar? I want to know before I actually make my vote/pick.

[Freedom Kid7]

What is the argument for Oscar over Jerry and the argument for Jerry over Oscar? I want to know before I actually make my vote/pick.
Advantage Oscar - stats
Advantage Jerry - Team success/intangibles

[Colbertnation64]

West

[KG215]

Jerry West

[Deuce Bigalow]

Jerry West
It's probably going to be a close race between West, Oscar, and Moses.

[Lordragoonx1x]

Dr. J

[AK47DR91]

West

Why are people saying the list is ridiculous? Seems about right.

[StateOfMind12]

My vote would be Julius Erving though but I suspect he won't get much votes because people underrate/ignore his ABA achievements and dominance.

The ABA at his time was just as competitive and good as the NBA but people act as if the ABA was always some sort of D-League/Euroleague type league.

I still would like to hear the West vs. Oscar debate some more.

Who played elite longer? Who peaked better? Who was better than who at what? Stuff like that.

[1987_Lakers]

Can the people who voted for Oscar Robertson tell me why you have him ahead of Jerry West?

Jerry West has a sizable edge in longevity, a HUGE edge in team success, and a better playoff performer by far. I don't really see a good argument for the Big O, sorry leading your team to only one 50+ win season in the years you didn't have Kareem is pretty mediocre. Oscar Robertson would be made fun of by ISH just like T-Mac was made fun of if we were in 1969.

Jerry West is my vote.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Can the people who voted for Oscar Robertson tell me why you have him ahead of Jerry West?

Jerry West has a sizable edge in longevity, a HUGE edge in team success, and a better playoff performer by far. I don't really see a good argument for the Big O, sorry leading your team to only one 50+ win season in the years you didn't have Kareem is pretty mediocre. Oscar Robertson would be made fun of by ISH just like T-Mac was made fun of if we were in 1969.

Jerry West is my vote.
I'm also curious to hear as to why some people have Oscar over West.

[pauk]

Moses Malone

3 x MVP (only a select very few have that)
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion (he was the leader & best player in his team, its arguably one of the 10 best playoff performances by a FMVP ever)
12 x NBA All-Star
8 x All-NBA team
2 x All-Defensive team


OSCAR?
He may have been a better individual talent... but he had only 1 MVP and no FMVP while winning his only championship in 1971 waaaay out of his prime, he was a sidekick in that championship run next to a 32-16-3 @ 58% FG averaging behemoth that won the MVP & FMVP.... what we have left is only the triple double average season, the magnificent numbers he averaged, but then there is also the all-time high pace you could use against him... is that enough to catapult him over Moses? According to me, NO...

WEST?
A super skilled perimeter player.... but he had no MVP and one FMVP which he got despite not winning a championship that Finals (not saying thats bad)... he got his only Championship where Wilt Chamberlain was the FMVP, where also he got outproduced by Gail Goodrich and where also Elgin Baylor, Happy Hairston and Jim McMillian played.... is that enough to catapult him over Moses? According to me, NO....

[EnoughSaid]

Yeah gotta go with Moses Malone. Dominant, effective and was arguably the best player at the time.

[pauk]

My vote would be Julius Erving though but I suspect he won't get much votes because people underrate/ignore his ABA achievements and dominance.

The ABA at his time was just as competitive and good as the NBA but people act as if the ABA was always some sort of D-League/Euroleague type league.

I still would like to hear the West vs. Oscar debate some more.

Who played elite longer? Who peaked better? Who was better than who at what? Stuff like that.

http://courtsideanalyst.wordpress.com/category/nba-history/how-strong-was-the-aba/

[KOBE143]

The Logo

Lebrick at 11 was fckng rigged..

[EnoughSaid]

The Logo

Lebrick at 11 was fckng rigged..

:roll: This shit has been rigged from the start. Kobe ahead of Duncan and Hakeem. :lol

[ganja0710]

:roll: This shit has been rigged from the start. Kobe ahead of Duncan and Hakeem. :lol
uh, you shouldn't talk about places in all time lists since your history only dates back to 2009. :oldlol:

that's fine that he's ahead of hakeem. he is on most peoples list. duncan is arguable though.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:roll: This shit has been rigged from the start. Kobe ahead of Duncan and Hakeem. :lol
Who rigged it?

[ganja0710]

moses should ALWAYS be ahead of LeBron James on the all time list TODAY. at the end of LeBrons career, probably and most likely not. but right now? no. how the hell did he hit 11? oh wait, the average age of this board is like 15. kids just started watching ball when lebron entered the league. :oldlol:

anyway, i go with oscar still.

11. oscar
12. jerry west
13. moses malone
14. lebron james

is how it should look like.

[no pun intended]

Keith Bogans.

[EnoughSaid]

Who rigged it?

The Magic-Bird-Wilt transitions. Messed up man.

[Gifted Mind]

It amazes me how uninformed posters are that are voting in this.

[fpliii]

too soon for Dr. J without his ABA years (which I count for the record, but nobody else is...to pick him here would be doing him a massive disservice if you use his whole career)

I have Oscar Robertson here just ahead of West and Moses (both actually ahead of Bron, but all in the same tier, so it's not biggie)

[kennethgriffin]

if lebrons top 11

kobes top 3

[magictricked]

What is the argument for Oscar over Jerry and the argument for Jerry over Oscar? I want to know before I actually make my vote/pick.
Both of them should be a couple spots higher on the list. They're almost interchangeable

[fsvr54]

Moses Malone

Lebron at 11 is a total joke

[Kews1]

Im going to stop voting because the list is getting ridiculous

i know right how the **** did Kobe get so high.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aTe9q75EUQc/T8fknRYrJII/AAAAAAAABSs/Fa0SIf4AZHQ/s1600/kevingarnett.jpg

[Kews1]

if lebrons top 11

kobes top 3

http://us10.memecdn.com/this-guy-i-love-this-guy_o_467185.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

i know right how the **** did Kobe get so high.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aTe9q75EUQc/T8fknRYrJII/AAAAAAAABSs/Fa0SIf4AZHQ/s1600/kevingarnett.jpg
Google top 10 nba players of alltime, and this is what you get

http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-10-nba-players-of-all-time.html

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history

[Noof]

Lol

Jerry West

[joeyjoejoe]

Holy moses

[Eric Cartman]

With Lebron at #11 this list is no longer credible.

I'm sure i'm not the first that feels this way.

[Niquesports]

Can the people who voted for Oscar Robertson tell me why you have him ahead of Jerry West?

Jerry West has a sizable edge in longevity, a HUGE edge in team success, and a better playoff performer by far. I don't really see a good argument for the Big O, sorry leading your team to only one 50+ win season in the years you didn't have Kareem is pretty mediocre. Oscar Robertson would be made fun of by ISH just like T-Mac was made fun of if we were in 1969.

Jerry West is my vote.
First off at no point during there peek was West considered even equal to Oscar.Oscar was a top 5 player some say the best player in the league. West had Elgin a top 5 player. You sound silly its like say Kuko is better than Barkley.Heck for most of the early years West wasn't even the best player on his team Elgin was. Oscar and his lack of 50 win season. West lost 10 finals Oscar would had won at least 5 of them,

[dyna]

Moses Malone

[DirtySanchez]

moses should ALWAYS be ahead of LeBron James on the all time list TODAY. at the end of LeBrons career, probably and most likely not. but right now? no. how the hell did he hit 11? oh wait, the average age of this board is like 15. kids just started watching ball when lebron entered the league. :oldlol:

anyway, i go with oscar still.

11. oscar
12. jerry west
13. moses malone
14. lebron james

is how it should look like.


Yeah But oh well

[BoutPractice]

I'm no fan of his, but LeBron deserved number 11.
He's always been a top 12 caliber player on level of play alone, he just lacked a few accomplishments, mostly a dominant postseason run leading to a championship and Finals MVP. In one year he's fixed all of that in the most convincing fashion possible, taking advantage of injured teammates to correct the notion that he needed superstars by his side to get to the top, so now there's really no reason for him not to be considered one of the all time greats.


Anyway. My vote goes to Moses.

[Horatio33]

Jerry West.

[arifgokcen]

Big O

[arifgokcen]

With Lebron at #11 this list is no longer credible.

I'm sure i'm not the first that feels this way.
All of these lebron haters,can you please tell me what he is missing.Talk about longevity,you complain about he got his ring in his 9th season.Talk about accolades,he has more than any other player in top 11-20.

We dont even factor in defense.This is just stats.He has better adjusted stats than any other player in top 11-20.He has been the best player since 2008-2009.(based on poll from ISH).Sorry but even though he is only 27 he deserves to be #11.Another thing i feel like wilt should have been much higher and russell lower or i really hate that duncan below kobe selection,though i dont go accusing anyone who voted for him

[Harison]

Jerry

[Odinn]

Magic-Bird-Wilt... That was awkard.
Kobe stans, this time, succeeded and put Kobe above Duncan.
LeBron James voted as 11th. (IMO, 11-14 range is accurate for him but he won with too big difference)
And now Jerry West is going to be ranked ahead of Moses Malone?

[alenleomessi]

moses

[Shade8780]

Just end the ****ing list. It's a joke :facepalm

[East_Stone_Ya]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1997/0512_large.jpg

[JellyBean]

Wilt at #6? Tim Duncan at #9? Shirts! Blouses! We out!

http://thmg.photobucket.com/albums/v300/Elepoodle/th_tumblr_l1971h671m1qzkmqd.gif

[INDI]

What is the argument for Oscar over Jerry and the argument for Jerry over Oscar? I want to know before I actually make my vote/pick.

these guys are both phenomenal players, and easy to compare since they played in the same era. They both are honorable mention top ten players and should have went 11 and 12

I pick the big O. not just because he has an mvp but the fact that the man has probably the best stats in nba history. The man basically averaged a triple double for 5 seasons. He also has the league accomplishments to go with it (all star selections, mvp, championship).

West was a better teammate, was considered a great defender, more clutch and a better post season player, so I don't think the big O runs away with this without a debate, but there can be only one.

[miles berg]

Moses Malone

[INDI]

All of these lebron haters,can you please tell me what he is missing.Talk about longevity,you complain about he got his ring in his 9th season.Talk about accolades,he has more than any other player in top 11-20.

We dont even factor in defense.This is just stats.He has better adjusted stats than any other player in top 11-20.He has been the best player since 2008-2009.(based on poll from ISH).Sorry but even though he is only 27 he deserves to be #11.Another thing i feel like wilt should have been much higher and russell lower or i really hate that duncan below kobe selection,though i dont go accusing anyone who voted for him

lebron has 2 mvp's over the big O (so does steve nash but that doesnt make him better than john stockton).

What would you say gives lebron the nod over Oscar? you can't say era because though it is a more advanced league, Oscar was a point guard so he wasnt a 7 footer like russell and wilt. The man was a better scorer, rebounder, passer, and had a better J than lebron.

[INDI]

Google top 10 nba players of alltime, and this is what you get

http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-10-nba-players-of-all-time.html

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history

yeah people don't realize that kobe is perfect at 8. I always had him 7-8, flip flopping back and forth with him and shaq. In my heart I know kobe has had the better career and within a few years of his retirement will ALWAYS be ranked above shaq on these kinds of rankings. For now for the sake of argument, im cool with people saying he's 8th.


by the way I love how both of those lists has the big O in the top ten. People voting thats 10-29 years old will always leave him out while people in there 60s and up will leave alot of newer players out.

imo the best judge for these lists would be people in their 50's (as long as they are still fans of the game). They are the only one's that can give an honest account of all of these era's and probably won't have a bias.

[INDI]

Wilt at #6? Tim Duncan at #9? Shirts! Blouses! We out!

http://thmg.photobucket.com/albums/v300/Elepoodle/th_tumblr_l1971h671m1qzkmqd.gif

I can understand with the wilt argument at 6 because I believe he should never be below 4, but there has always been the stone faced 6 (jordan,kaj,magic,wilt,bird,russell). On the other hand tim duncan should never be higher than 9. Him and hakeem to me are fringe top ten players, these two are guys that maybe in the top ten for now but ten years later they will be in danger of being out.

Lebron will surely one day take one of those spots (sorry hakeem), leaving duncan as #10.

[Alan Ogg]

Moses

[pauk]

People who are shocked at Lebron being #11, please explain why? Are you sure you have seen Lebrons accomplishments compared to Moses for example?

Here you go:

.....................Lebron...........Moses....... ...
MVP....................3..................3....... ......
FMVP..................1...................1....... .....
CHAMP................1..................1......... ....
ROTY................Yes................No......... ...
1st All-NBA..........6..................4..............
1st All-Def...........4...................1.............
All-Star...............8..................12.......... ...
All-Star MVP........2...................0..............
POTM.................20..................4........ ......
Best Player.........4+ years.........1 year.......


Oscar & West accomplished even less than these two so i wont even bother...

West had 0 MVPs and 1 FMVP only which he got while not winning a championship that finals.... thats it.... the time he won his only championship Wilt Chamberlain was the FMVP, he got outproduced by Gail Goodrich all season & playoffs aswell, he had also Elgin Baylor, Jim McMillian and Hairston...

Oscar had 1 MVP and 0 FMVP... thats it.... the time he won his only championship Oscar was waaaay out of his prime, he was a legit sidekick, Kareem carried him and everybody else in that championship run, winning also the MVP/FMVP....

West & Oscar did NOT and could NOT literally lead & will their team to a championship like Lebron (and Moses did) while dominating as the best player in the game, spamming all kindsof accolades along the way....

Now you go ahead and romance that triple double average season all you want....

[KG215]

People who are shocked at Lebron being #11, please explain why? Are you sure you have seen Lebrons accomplishments compared to Moses for example?

Here you go:

.....................Lebron...........Moses....... ...
MVP....................3..................3....... ......
FMVP..................1...................1....... .....
CHAMP................1..................1......... ....
ROTY................Yes................No......... ...
1st All-NBA..........6..................4..............
1st All-Def...........4...................1.............
All-Star...............8..................12.......... ...
All-Star MVP........2...................0..............
POTM.................20..................4........ ......
Best Player.........4+ years.........1 year.......

:facepalm

And why include the best player section? That's just as subjective as this list. You can't definitively say LeBron has been the best player 4+ years. From 2008-2010 there were still people who felt it was Kobe. LeBron was putting up the better numbers and tearing up the regular season, while Kobe was putting up good numbers, winning a lot of games, and winning championships. I know LeBron was the regular season MVP in 2009 and 2010 but, especially in hindsight, you could make a case for Kobe being the best player in 2009 and 2010, and most certainly 2008. (Chris Paul in 2008 had a case as well). Then in 2011, after the playoffs, you would've been laughed at if you said LeBron was the best player in the league after the Finals he had and the playoff run Dirk had. Not to mention some felt Dwight Howard had just as good of a case for MVP as LeBron, either though neither won it.

But why even include the best player section? I mean what can you definitively point at and say that no-doubt tells me he was the best player that season? I'd say maybe MVPs but obviously you're not doing that because you're giving LeBron more years than MVPs, and Malone less years than MVPs.

[waseem780]

Dwyane Wade.

[LikeABosh]

All you people claiming Lebron at #11 is ridiculous. Name the player/s you think should be ahead of him and your argument for them

[Coffee Black]

I can live with LeBron at 11, but personally I would not put him above Dr. J just yet. I have more of a bone to pick with Hakeem being a "clear cut" number 10. Hakeem being better than O and West is still not clear to me. Must be the prevailing winds of the perceptions of ISH forum members.

[1987_Lakers]

First off at no point during there peek was West considered even equal to Oscar.Oscar was a top 5 player some say the best player in the league. West had Elgin a top 5 player. You sound silly its like say Kuko is better than Barkley.Heck for most of the early years West wasn't even the best player on his team Elgin was. Oscar and his lack of 50 win season. West lost 10 finals Oscar would had won at least 5 of them,

The same can be said between Bird & Magic yet ISH voted Magic ahead of Bird. It would be really inconsistent to vote Oscar ahead of West if you voted Magic over Bird.

The West-Oscar debate reminds me alot of the Magic-Bird debate. Bird & Oscar were considered better players early in their careers, but at some point West & Magic caught up and ended up having better longevity and in the end more team success.

[chazzy]

Oscar had 1 MVP and 0 FMVP... thats it.... the time he won his only championship Oscar was waaaay out of his prime, he was a legit sidekick, Kareem carried him and everybody else in that championship run, winning also the MVP/FMVP....



Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
12 is a perfect spot for Oscar Robertson.
lol... hell no




but yea i dont care now.... might aswell have him at #50..... im serious....

for Oscar its either TOP 10 or nowhere near TOP 10...

because if Oscar is not in TOP 10 it means the criteria ("TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS SHOWS HOW TALENTED-SKILLED YOU WERE" or "HE WOULD SUCK IN TODAYS ERA") was in to effect............ then you might aswell not have him #12 or anywhere....
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6457410&postcount=16

Funny how the value of TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS changes after your boy wins one :oldlol:

[INDI]

All you people claiming Lebron at #11 is ridiculous. Name the player/s you think should be ahead of him and your argument for them

Big O
Jerry West
Moses Malone

that would at best put lebron at #14. Lebron should never be higher than that on anyone's list and he should never be lower than 20 on anyone's list (i got him 14-16). Wherever he's at he should be sitting right next to julius erving. Look at the comparison

stats
Julius 24ppg, 8rb, 4asts, 2 stl, 2 blks in 16 years

lebron 27ppg. 7rb, 7asts, 2stl, 1 blk in 9 years. (will possibly go down if he plays past his prime)


awards
julius 3 titles, 4x mvp, 3x scoring champ, 16x allstar 2x all star mvp all nba/aba 10x, all nba second team 2x

lebron 1 title, 3x mvp, 1 fmvp, roy, 1x scoring champ, 8x all star, 2x all star mvp, 6x all nba 1st, 2x all nba 2nd, 4x all nba defensive,



also both players changed the game in ways that no one else did prior (dr j was mike before mike was mike).

what is the argument of lbj over dr j? imo i give the slight advantage to lbj but they are very comparable

[arifgokcen]

Big O
Jerry West
Moses Malone

that would at best put lebron at #14. Lebron should never be higher than that on anyone's list and he should never be lower than 20 on anyone's list (i got him 14-16). Wherever he's at he should be sitting right next to julius erving. Look at the comparison

stats
Julius 24ppg, 8rb, 4asts, 2 stl, 2 blks in 16 years

lebron 27ppg. 7rb, 7asts, 2stl, 1 blk in 9 years. (will possibly go down if he plays past his prime)




awards
julius 3 titles, 4x mvp, 3x scoring champ, 16x allstar 2x all star mvp all nba/aba 10x, all nba second team 2x

lebron 1 title, 3x mvp, 1 fmvp, roy, 1x scoring champ, 8x all star, 2x all star mvp, 6x all nba 1st, 2x all nba 2nd, 4x all nba defensive,



also both players changed the game in ways that no one else did prior (dr j was mike before mike was mike).

what is the argument of lbj over dr j? imo i give the slight advantage to lbj but they are very comparable

Very easy.If you can read you will understand

Read the Title again
NBA player not ABA player got it now?

[Scholar]

That's a terrible list, but whatever.

Jerry West for #12

[Deuce Bigalow]

yeah people don't realize that kobe is perfect at 8. I always had him 7-8, flip flopping back and forth with him and shaq. In my heart I know kobe has had the better career and within a few years of his retirement will ALWAYS be ranked above shaq on these kinds of rankings. For now for the sake of argument, im cool with people saying he's 8th.


by the way I love how both of those lists has the big O in the top ten. People voting thats 10-29 years old will always leave him out while people in there 60s and up will leave alot of newer players out.

imo the best judge for these lists would be people in their 50's (as long as they are still fans of the game). They are the only one's that can give an honest account of all of these era's and probably won't have a bias.
Kobe's got to play at an elite level for a couple more seasons to be on par with Shaq imo
Shaq was a Top 5 player from '95-'06, that's 12 seasons.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#12 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

16- Moses Malone
14- Jerry West
10- Oscar Robertson
2- Isiah Thomas
1- Julius Erving
1- Karl Malone
1- Dwyane Wade
1- Charles Barkley

[Lebron23]

Jerry West

[jlauber]

Hard to believe that the THREE TIME MVP, and dominating FMVP, and the "Kareem-Killer" Moses...is fighting for a 12th spot. The man should have been voted in the top-10. From '79 thru '85, he was the most dominating player in the league.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Hard to believe that the THREE TIME MVP, and dominating FMVP, and the "Kareem-Killer" Moses...is fighting for a 12th spot. The man should have been voted in the top-10. From '79 thru '85, he was the most dominating player in the league.
Post your top 10, actually rank it
I'm betting Hakeem is not even top 12 on your list....

[lilgodfather1]

Jerry West

[inclinerator]

moses

[Eric Cartman]

Moses Malone.

[SuperPippen]

Moses Malone

[raprap]

Moses Malone :applause:

[Rojogaqu11]

This will sound wrong because of what they mean to the NBA but, Kobe and Lebron>Magic and Bird.

Magic will tell you Kobe is the best Laker.
Bird will concede title as best SF ever to Lebron.

As for the topic at hand, Charles Barkley IMHO is better than anyone remaining on this list. Titles matter but having no titles shouldn't be such a big penalty on a superstar's resume. Barkley was better than any other guy remaining on the list, and his impact was on par with most of the guys in the top 10.

[Heilige]

Moses Malone

[jlauber]

Post your top 10, actually rank it
I'm betting Hakeem is not even top 12 on your list....

He's between 8th and 12th.

Top-4 (tied):

Russell, Magic, MJ, and Wilt

#5 Kareem

#6 Shaq
#7 Duncan

8-12:

Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, Lebron, and Moses...in almost any order.

BTW, I just recently added Lebron to that group. Clearly, he will surpass most of those, with only Kobe having a chance to withstand his run.

[Deuce Bigalow]

He's between 8th and 12th.

Top-4 (tied):

Russell, Magic, MJ, and Wilt

#5 Kareem

#6 Shaq
#7 Duncan

8-12:

Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, Lebron, and Moses...in almost any order.

BTW, I just recently added Lebron to that group. Clearly, he will surpass most of those, with only Kobe having a chance to withstand his run.
Going with who has had the best career and accomplished the most:

Top 2: MJ, Russell
3-4: Magic, Kareem
5-8: Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan
9: Wilt
10: Hakeem

[jlauber]

Going with who has had the best career and accomplished the most:

Top 2: MJ, Russell
3-4: Magic, Kareem
5-8: Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan
9: Wilt
10: Hakeem

The RECORD BOOK says otherwise. And players like Kobe, Bird, and Kareem choked far more often in the post-season.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The RECORD BOOK says otherwise. And players like Kobe, Bird, and Kareem choked far more often in the post-season.
The Record book in a weak era and all-time high fast pace era of REGULAR SEASON NUMBERS

Bird, Kareem, and Kobe have more rings.
All 3 have a winning record in the NBA Finals, WIlt doesn't.
All 3 have a higher winning % with HCA than Wilt.

[Niquesports]

This will sound wrong because of what they mean to the NBA but, Kobe and Lebron>Magic and Bird.

Magic will tell you Kobe is the best Laker.
Bird will concede title as best SF ever to Lebron.

As for the topic at hand, Charles Barkley IMHO is better than anyone remaining on this list. Titles matter but having no titles shouldn't be such a big penalty on a superstar's resume. Barkley was better than any other guy remaining on the list, and his impact was on par with most of the guys in the top 10.


See when young guys dont know it show. Magic is always gonna say the right thing. If you know anything about Ervin Magic Johnson. He is not gonna tell the media Im better than Kobe.

[Niquesports]

Current Results (updated)

14- Moses Malone
13- Jerry West
6- Oscar Robertson
1- Julius Erving
1- Karl Malone
1- Dwyane Wade
1- Charles Barkley


I would like someone to show me when at any point up until '72 was Jerry West better than Oscar Robinson. You can go back to High School.

[Niquesports]

Moses

[Deuce Bigalow]

I would like someone to show me when at any point up until '72 was Jerry West better than Oscar Robinson. You can go back to High School.
'69, '70

Check his Playoffs and Finals numbers those years

[Niquesports]

The Record book in a weak era and all-time high fast pace era of REGULAR SEASON NUMBERS

Bird, Kareem, and Kobe have more rings.
All 3 have a winning record in the NBA Finals, WIlt doesn't.
All 3 have a higher winning % with HCA than Wilt.

If someone from Mars came to Earth and opened the Record books,Wilt would be top 5.This era is so weak. When you only had 8 teams the best teams were playing each other like 8 times a year. Today its like 2. This is why you have so many teams with 50 wins.IMO when talking GOAT Kobe can only get credit for 3. He wasnt the lead man for the first 3,.

It's funny to me when kids knock Wilt,Elgin,West,Oscar for not winning. THEY WERE IN A ERA WITH THE GREATS TEAM SPORTS TEAM OF ALL TIME . When will you guys get it.

[Niquesports]

'69, '70

Check his Playoffs and Finals numbers those years

In 69 Oscar was first team West was second team All NBA
I give you 70but that's a year off from what I was saying.
Oscar wasn't in the finals so you cant compare there finals play

[Deuce Bigalow]

In 69 Oscar was first team West was second team All NBA
I give you 70but that's a year off from what I was saying.
Oscar wasn't in the finals so you cant compare there finals play
West only played 61 games in the 1968-69 Season, that is probably the reason why he wasn't First team.
Jerry was the best player in the league come Playoff time.
37.9 PPG in the NBA Finals, 4th highest of all-time in a Finals series.
42-13-12 in Game 7 of the Finals
31-4-8 on 46% Playoff average

[jlauber]

West only played 61 games in the 1968-69 Season, that is probably the reason why he wasn't First team.
Jerry was the best player in the league come Playoff time.
37.9 PPG in the NBA Finals, at the time it was the highest ever, now it's the 2nd highest of all-time behind MJ's 41.0 in '93.
42-13-12 in Game 7 of the Finals
31-4-8 on 46% Playoff average

Both Baylor and Barry averaged over 40 ppg in a Finals.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Both Baylor and Barry averaged over 40 ppg in a Finals.
I forgot that Barry took 39.2 FGAs per game in the '67 Finals. Holy shit
40.8 ppg on 39.2 FGAs

[magictricked]

Jerry West

[INDI]

Very easy.If you can read you will understand

Read the Title again
NBA player not ABA player got it now?

You can't just erase a portion of a man's career because the league was divided back then, he played for the freakin nets!!!!!! In order to really account for a players ability you must take his aba career as well

It's not like nba and the dleague. It was more comparable to soccer having more than one proffessional league

[TheMarkMadsen]

If oscar roberton isn't top 12 this voting will lose all credibility.

[MiamiThrice]

Moses Malone.

Raped Kareem quite easily in his prime. I think he's one of the most underrated players of all-time. You could argue he was the best rebounder ever.l

[fsvr54]

If oscar roberton isn't top 12 this voting will lose all credibility.

he will be 13

[Deuce Bigalow]

If oscar roberton isn't top 12 this voting will lose all credibility.
I'll count that as a vote for Oscar, yes?

[Asukal]

Oh wow Lebron at 11. So many great players are being disrespected. :facepalm

Let's just put him at number 1 and be done with the polls. :rolleyes:

[OmniStrife]

Oscar

[Deuce Bigalow]

Seems like ISH has given up on this one :lol
42 votes in 28 hours

[fpliii]

Seems like ISH has given up on this one :lol
42 votes in 28 hours

I'm not sure who to vote for at this point :confusedshrug:

it's really nuts that Oscar has fallen so low, but there are so many great players in this league that he could fall to 14 (I don't think Dr. J sans-ABA jumps him)

I want to vote for West or Moses, but I have to go Big O at this point

[jalbert009]

Lol! I will no longer vote in these threads. Lebron at #11 is a joke.

[DTreats]

Isaiah Thomas

[IGotACoolStory]

I will keep voting for this guy, even if he won't come up for several picks:

http://www.headlinesports.net/catalog/j87413_8107_1.jpg

[EnoughSaid]

Seems like ISH has given up on this one :lol
42 votes in 28 hours

Not a lot of people even know who guys like Moses, West and Oscar are. Same with LeBron being at #11.

[AK47DR91]

Seems like ISH has given up on this one :lol
42 votes in 28 hours
Weekend.

Should be on #13 by Monday.

[bballnoob1192]

damn lebron @ 11 might just killed this whole list and thread......prolly worse than the kobe,shaq,duncan, and hakeem debacle earlier

[Asukal]

damn lebron @ 11 might just killed this whole list and thread......prolly worse than the kobe,shaq,duncan, and hakeem debacle earlier

Lebron at 11 shows that we got a majority of kids voting. Lebron will get there in a couple of years but right now he doesn't deserve #11. :facepalm

[bballnoob1192]

Lebron at 11 shows that we got a majority of kids voting. Lebron will get there in a couple of years but right now he doesn't deserve #11. :facepalm

I think it has less to do with kids(IMO), but more to do with the fact that his success is so recent and it was momentous because he was able to silence the haters with a season sweep of all the important awards. I remember Dirk was top 15 on lots of list when he won last year. Prolly he wouldn't be top 15 on this list

11-lebron
12-15 (oscar,west,moses,dr.j no particular order)
then a malone or barkley could beat him out
then garnett would challenge him for the 18-19 slot

[DirtySanchez]

Yeah LeBron don't belong there yet but there are a lot of kids that don't know any better on this board so oh well. Let's keep rolling....Oscar please.

[BrickingStar]

LeBron should be 12 behind oscar but Jerry West is not even close by imagination to as good as lebron ever was but I guess cause of what he did 4 the nba and his logo people overrate him. Jerry West ain't even top 15 in todays league :yaohappy: Nostalgia is killing some of you. Lol DirtySanchez ^^ you weren't even a laker fan back in magics day why are you voting :lol