In terms of impact which PF over Blake Griffin

[brandonislegend]

I keep reading all these delusional posts about Blake Griffin, putting selling tickets aside which PFs would you take over Blake Griffin right now.

Blake Griffin is one of the most overrated players I have ever seen. He may get his stats but let's look further, he is a terrible man to man defender that relys on flopping as his main strength. He is invisible in terms of help defending for god sakes Dwayne Wade averages more blocks than him. He has terrible footwork and often jumps off the wrong foot. He is a decent passer for his size, he is a good rebounded thanks to his size and athleticism. He is amare 2.0 except he is a liability that can't hit free throws in the playoffs K-mart and Reggie freaking Evans played the fourth quarter over him. People argue that he is in the same boat as Dwight Howard because he can't hit free throws but that is flawed because Dwight actually makes an impact. He is the defensive player of the year and one of the most feared help side defenders if mot the most in the league. If people would watch actual tape instead of highlight reels on YouTube and ESPN people would come to the conclusion he is highly overrated.

As far as my list i would take over him this season
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Lamarcus Aldridge
Chris Bosh
Kevin Love
Kevin Garnett
Amare Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
David West
Zach Randolph
Anthony Davis
Nene
Paul Milsap
Greg Monroe

In terms of if a game is close in the fourt quarter.

[kNicKz]

Nene? get the **** out, i hate blake but this is fail

[FreezingTsmoove]

josh smith. Most underated PF. Led the hawks to a borderline top 5 defense with an injured center rotation all year. A 20/10 guy with so much impact on the game. Great passer had 4 a game in the RS and nearly 5 a game in the PS. Its a shame he got injured in the post season but STILL managed to put up 17/14/5 Just wow

[brandonislegend]

Nene? get the **** out, i hate blake but this is fail
He actually plays defense has offensive moves and can hit free throws. If it's a tie game in the 4th I would take him over Griffin, for god sakes Blake's own coach played Reggie Evans and Keynon Martin over him

[Ikill]

I keep reading all these delusional posts about Blake Griffin, putting selling tickets aside which PFs would you take over Blake Griffin right now.

Blake Griffin is one of the most overrated players I have ever seen. He may get his stats but let's look further, he is a terrible man to man defender that relys on flopping as his main strength. He is invisible in terms of help defending for god sakes Dwayne Wade averages more blocks than him. He has terrible footwork and often jumps off the wrong foot. He is a decent passer for his size, he is a good rebounded thanks to his size and athleticism. He is amare 2.0 except he is a liability that can't hit free throws in the playoffs K-mart and Reggie freaking Evans played the fourth quarter over him. People argue that he is in the same boat as Dwight Howard because he can't hit free throws but that is flawed because Dwight actually makes an impact. He is the defensive player of the year and one of the most feared help side defenders if mot the most in the league. If people would watch actual tape instead of highlight reels on YouTube and ESPN people would come to the conclusion he is highly overrated.

As far as my list i would take over him this season
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Lamarcus Aldridge
Chris Bosh
Kevin Love
Kevin Garnett
Amare Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
David West
Zach Randolph
Anthony Davis
Nene
Paul Milsap
Greg Monroe

In terms of if a game is close in the fourt quarter.
Please show me these delusional posts people here hate and act like he is a scrub even casual fans and the media think of him as player that can just dunk. No one is ****ing overrating him and everyone says he says he is overrated that automatically makes him not overrated. No one thinks he is as good as Dwight stop making shit up you ****ing clown.

[brandonislegend]

Nene? get the **** out, i hate blake but this is fail
Explain how Blake Griffin impacts a game more

[imnew09]

I keep reading all these delusional posts about Blake Griffin, putting selling tickets aside which PFs would you take over Blake Griffin right now.

Blake Griffin is one of the most overrated players I have ever seen. He may get his stats but let's look further, he is a terrible man to man defender that relys on flopping as his main strength. He is invisible in terms of help defending for god sakes Dwayne Wade averages more blocks than him. He has terrible footwork and often jumps off the wrong foot. He is a decent passer for his size, he is a good rebounded thanks to his size and athleticism. He is amare 2.0 except he is a liability that can't hit free throws in the playoffs K-mart and Reggie freaking Evans played the fourth quarter over him. People argue that he is in the same boat as Dwight Howard because he can't hit free throws but that is flawed because Dwight actually makes an impact. He is the defensive player of the year and one of the most feared help side defenders if mot the most in the league. If people would watch actual tape instead of highlight reels on YouTube and ESPN people would come to the conclusion he is highly overrated.

As far as my list i would take over him this season
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Lamarcus Aldridge
Chris Bosh
Kevin Love
Kevin Garnett
Amare Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
David West
Zach Randolph
Anthony Davis
Nene
Paul Milsap
Greg Monroe

In terms of if a game is close in the fourt quarter.

Even rookie Anthony Davis?

[Ikill]

Explain how Blake Griffin impacts a game more
Blake Griffin is more dominant he draws more defensive attention

[brandonislegend]

Blake Griffin is more dominant he draws more defensive attention

You mean Chris Paul does? Griffin has no moves its all open mid range shots or he gets the ball in position to finish similar to amare except he's a liability at the free throw line and is a terrible defender

[brandonislegend]

If your not going to use examples or reasoning or even logic your just going to make troll replies don't even bother

[WeGetRing2012]

josh smith. Most underated PF. Led the hawks to a borderline top 5 defense with an injured center rotation all year. A 20/10 guy with so much impact on the game. Great passer had 4 a game in the RS and nearly 5 a game in the PS. Its a shame he got injured in the post season but STILL managed to put up 17/14/5 Just wow

I still say he goes to the C's next year to play with his buddy Rondo...

[FreezingTsmoove]

I still say he goes to the C's next year to play with his buddy Rondo...

Stop it Rondo has no friends.

[Al Thornton]

been over 3 months and you are still sooooo mad. gotdamn

[Fiasco]

been over 3 months and you are still sooooo mad. gotdamn

Yup.

[colorz]

He attracts double teams, he has okay post moves(will get better with more experience), he's a great rebounder, good passer, he improved his man defense, averaged 2 steals in the playoffs, good ball handler(especially for his size) and shoots over 50%. He's slowly developing a jumpshot(still inconsistent) and he made improvement in his free throw shooting(changed his form).

He obviously has a lot of work to do, but he's only 23 and already put up 22/12/3 :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ikcLWYzfo

You can see in this video how good his jumpshot can be. He's already said he's been working everyday with his shooting coach as well.

If you think he's overrated, sucks, whatever, that's your opinion. Most Clipper fans acknowledge that he has a lot of work to do. And what idiot put him in the same category as Dwight?

[brandonislegend]

My mind still blown why he tries to act like a tough guy to little guards and then flops all over the floor all game like a fish put of water

[brandonislegend]

He attracts double teams, he has okay post moves(will get better with more experience), he's a great rebounder, good passer, he improved his man defense, averaged 2 steals in the playoffs, good ball handler(especially for his size) and shoots over 50%. He's slowly developing a jumpshot(still inconsistent) and he made improvement in his free throw shooting(changed his form).

He obviously has a lot of work to do, but he's only 23 and already put up 22/12/3 :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ikcLWYzfo

You can see in this video how good his jumpshot can be. He's already said he's been working everyday with his shooting coach as well.

If you think he's overrated, sucks, whatever, that's your opinion. Most Clipper fans acknowledge that he has a lot of work to do. And what idiot put him in the same category as Dwight?

Clipper fan used Dwight as an example of a bad free throw shooter when o was arguing this

Good post though

[Ikill]

You mean Chris Paul does? Griffin has no moves its all open mid range shots or he gets the ball in position to finish similar to amare except he's a liability at the free throw line and is a terrible defender
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIUUDWRxl0w

[Ikill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4CbHCMq1uA

[Ikill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNf1MOmSOE&feature=g-vrec

[brandonislegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIUUDWRxl0w
**** Brandon Jennings scored 55 his rookie year, people get hot its basketball

[brandonislegend]

Are you really going to post YouTube highlight videos

[Ikill]

**** Brandon Jennings scored 55 his rookie year, people get hot its basketball
you said he has no post game and moves I know his jumpshot but he does have a nice scoring arsenal. Or are you telling me if your hot you also develop moves?

[brandonislegend]

Haha watch the whole game not YouTube videos don't be naive his jumper is streaky at best and he jumps off the wrong foot 60% of the time and he is a liability at the line and defensively

[Ikill]

Haha watch the whole game not YouTube videos
im trying to show you he has moves

[brandonislegend]

im trying to show you he has moves
So if I find 2 videos of Andrew Bynum hitting three pointers then he is a good shooter?

[Ikill]

So if I find 2 videos of Andrew Bynum hitting three pointers then he is a good shooter?
no its not the same thing Blake Griffin scores by creating his own shot a good amount times of every game. Bynum hits a 3 like once a year

[brandonislegend]

no its not the same thing Blake Griffin scores by creating his own shot a good amount times of every game. Bynum hits a 3 like once a year
Chris Paul puts him in position to score 90%

[Ikill]

Haha watch the whole game not YouTube videos don't be naive his jumper is streaky at best and he jumps off the wrong foot 60% of the time and he is a liability at the line and defensively
Blake Griffin is a flawed and incomplete player but he just finished his 2nd year most 2nd year players still have major flaws in their game. He needs time to develop his game

[Ikill]

Chris Paul puts him in position to score 90%
seriously just after one year you want to use the whole "Chris Paul made Blake Griffin" thing. How was he so good in his rookie year its not Blakes fault Paul is the most ball dominant player in the NBA. He really has no option when Chris Paul dribbles the ball around so much he doesn't really give Blake the chance to create for himself.

[brandonislegend]

seriously just after one year you want to use the whole "Chris Paul made Blake Griffin" thing. How was he so good in his rookie year its not Blakes fault Paul is the most ball dominant player in the NBA. He really has no option when Chris Paul dribbles the ball around so much he doesn't really give Blake the chance to create for himself.
Im not saying he is a great player but im tired of everyone overrating him.

[Kobr]

Chris Paul puts him in position to score 90%

Huh? If anything, the arrival of CP3 has hindered BG's development. They haven't meshed well yet at all. No pick 'n rolls, limited connections, etc. Not CP3's fault though, Blake can't set a damn screen.

But CP3 is definitely not helping BG pad anything. His scoring went down this year. I thought he played a lot better in his rookie year, when he didn't have CP3. Just Baron and Gordon.

[Rubio2Gasol]

josh smith. Most underated PF. Led the hawks to a borderline top 5 defense with an injured center rotation all year. A 20/10 guy with so much impact on the game. Great passer had 4 a game in the RS and nearly 5 a game in the PS. Its a shame he got injured in the post season but STILL managed to put up 17/14/5 Just wow

This.

[jdm_dc_fan]

This.
I'm pumped that Boston has a lot of pieces to throw at atlanta for JS. Or even free agency because he has showed interest in Boston's organization. :banana:

[Rubio2Gasol]

I'm surprises the Lakers didn't move for considering how lockdown they would be if he did come.

Him and Garnett do similar things , I dunno if he should be a priority ; I see him fitting really well is Denver.

[Quizno]

stop hating, griffin's gonna be the best PF in the game in a couple years along with love. he just needs to stop the bullshit flopping

[Fiasco]

stop hating, griffin's gonna be the best PF in the game in a couple years along with love. he just needs to stop the bullshit flopping

My man Quizno keeping it TOASTY

[fsvr54]

J Smoove for sure

[Rubio2Gasol]

stop hating, griffin's gonna be the best PF in the game in a couple years along with love. he just needs to stop the bullshit flopping
Love is even worse lol.

I Would take smith over these guys, I shudder to think what he could do with a real point after ridding himself of the cancer that was Jo Johnson.

He even has a solid post game.

His jumper is putrid tho.

[Fiasco]

Love is even worse lol.

I Would take smith over these guys, I shudder to think what he could do with a real point after ridding himself of the cancer that was Jo Johnson.

He even has a solid post game.

His jumper is putrid tho.

....... :coleman:

[macpierce]

surprised clippersfan 86 hasnt flipped his lid and posted lol

[Fiasco]

surprised clippersfan 86 hasnt flipped his lid and posted lol

Surprised people still think all Griffin does is dunk.

[Rubio2Gasol]

I'm not making stuff up here.

Josh Smith actually has a decent back go the basket game lol. Hes not Hakeem or anything but he has sone solid go to moves and is a very nice passer out of the double.

He loves the long jumper too much tho lol.

Everyone just ignores him because the people who select all stars refuse toackowledge his existence.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I still say he goes to the C's next year to play with his buddy Rondo...

Would have happened if we had cap space. We don't anymore.

[FreezingTsmoove]

I'm not making stuff up here.

Josh Smith actually has a decent back go the basket game lol.

Everyone just ignores him because the people who select all stars refuse toackowledge his existence.

No because voters don't give a shit about defense. No surprise Barkleys no defense ass thinks Love is the best PF. If Josh Smoove played minimal defense like these clowns he'd have more energy for offense and more energy and more chances for rebounds. He'd be a 25/13 player NO DOUBT

[Fiasco]

Thread Date Comment
In terms of impact... 08-25-2012 05:33 PM So glad negs are back, **** you

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[chips93]

If Josh Smoove played minimal defense like these clowns he'd have more energy for offense and more energy and more chances for rebounds. He'd be a 25/13 player NO DOUBT

http://gifs.gifbin.com/062009/1245227615_colin_farrel.gif

[FreezingTsmoove]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/062009/1245227615_colin_farrel.gif

How else do you think Kevin Love and Blake fill up the stat sheet every night?

Plus Smoove grabbed nearly 14 a game in the playoffs so why couldn't he do it in the RS while playing NO D

[Fiasco]

How else do you think Kevin Love and Blake fill up the stat sheet every night?

By being better?

[FreezingTsmoove]

By being better?

:lol :oldlol: :lol :lol :lol




:oldlol:


Blake better than J smoove :lol




:roll:

[Fiasco]

:lol :oldlol: :lol :lol :lol




:oldlol:


Blake better than J smoove :lol




:roll:

What does Smith do better than Griffin other than play defense?

[Pushxx]

KG and TD are centers.

[chips93]

:lol :oldlol: :lol :lol :lol




:oldlol:


Blake better than J smoove :lol




:roll:

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[Rubio2Gasol]

Defense is half of the game.

And thefact is Josh Smith is very ver very far ahead in that category.

He is also a better passer and he has a more versatile scoring skillset.

Finally the little things like setting picks and shit.

[turnaroundJ]

Ignoring potential, age, revenue and any stuff that could happen in the future, this is the list of PFs I'd take over Blake:

Pau Gasol
Zach Randolph
Lamarcus Aldridge
Dirk Nowitzki
Josh Smith
Chris Bosh
Kevin Love
Amare Stoudemire


If I need defense, maybe even Anthony Davis.
HM Millsap, Monroe

[chips93]

Amare Stoudemire


what does amare do better than blake other than shoot freethrows?

this hate is getting out of hand

[turnaroundJ]

what does amare do better than blake other than shoot freethrows?

this hate is getting out of hand

Pre-Melo I actually had him as my MVP candidate for a while, the Knicks were on fire as a team. He proved he could lead. And shooting free throws well is NO minor strength. Agressive Amare is still a force to be reckoned with when he's used well. I hope they go to him more this season.

[Clippersfan86]

Blake Griffin led the NBA in point differential on and off court. His impact is huge and if you look at any metric he's by all means an elite PF. Nice try on the agenda though, the butthurt is coming out strong.

[Clippersfan86]

been over 3 months and you are still sooooo mad. gotdamn

:roll: :roll:

[Clippersfan86]

Huh? If anything, the arrival of CP3 has hindered BG's development. They haven't meshed well yet at all. No pick 'n rolls, limited connections, etc. Not CP3's fault though, Blake can't set a damn screen.

But CP3 is definitely not helping BG pad anything. His scoring went down this year. I thought he played a lot better in his rookie year, when he didn't have CP3. Just Baron and Gordon.

Lakers fan in the house laying down Clippers truth :applause: . You are 100 percent correct. Griffin's usage, shot attempts, touches and plays all dropped when CP3 got added. Also like you said CP3 definitely didn't mesh well and part of the blame absolutely goes to Griffin's terrible screens. What's weird is he is capable of setting some nasty, bonecrunching screens yet he rarely does it :facepalm .

How can CP3 make Griffin when Griffin was better before him? Griffin is the only player next to Dwight Howard in the NBA that commands nonstop double teams. That alone speaks to how much IMPACT he has.

[brandonislegend]

Lakers fan in the house laying down Clippers truth :applause: . You are 100 percent correct. Griffin's usage, shot attempts, touches and plays all dropped when CP3 got added. Also like you said CP3 definitely didn't mesh well and part of the blame absolutely goes to Griffin's terrible screens. What's weird is he is capable of setting some nasty, bonecrunching screens yet he rarely does it :facepalm .

How can CP3 make Griffin when Griffin was better before him? Griffin is the only player next to Dwight Howard in the NBA that commands nonstop double teams. That alone speaks to how much IMPACT he has.

Trololol

Does anyone respect what you say? It's like you are delusional

[Dictator]

So many people have a vendetta against Blake. :lol

[Flash31]

in terms of impact :Bosh,Garnett,Duncan,Dirk,Z-Bo

all have more impact on their teams than Blake has his.

[chips93]

Yo clippersfan86, remember before the season started i said you hyping up griffin all the time would eventually lead to a backlash, and people would turn on him?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m53yu2A11e1rq47ua.gif

[Fiasco]

So many people have a vendetta against Blake. :lol

Success breeds contempt.

[Clippersfan86]

Yo clippersfan86, remember before the season started i said you hyping up griffin all the time would eventually lead to a backlash, and people would turn on him?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m53yu2A11e1rq47ua.gif

I rarely post on other forums and same backlash there so has nothing to do with me.

[Legends66NBA7]

People argue that he is in the same boat as Dwight Howard because he can't hit free throws but that is flawed because Dwight actually makes an impact.

Did Clippersfan argue this ? I remember him saying how he didn't want Howard on the Clippers if that meant giving up Griffin (reasoning because of work ethic, I believe...), but that was a while ago.

But that's not "people". I've never seen "people" make this comparison.

[Clippersfan86]

Did Clippersfan argue this ? I remember him saying how he didn't want Howard on the Clippers if that meant giving up Griffin (reasoning because of work ethic, I believe...), but that was a while ago.

But that's not "people". I've never seen "people" make this comparison.

The OP tends to flat out fabricate details to make a point and he does it frequently. I've never seen anybody on this board including Clippers fans try to compare Griffin's game to Dwight's. They are so different that any direct comparison would be pointless and stupid.

As for the Dwight for Griffin thing my main point was work ethic, attitude, contract situation and upside. Dwight is NO QUESTION better and Griffin may never be as good but there is a slight chance he will be and I won't have to worry about him sabotaging my team's chemistry. Dwight has thrown teammates and coaches under the bus on multiple occasions over the years and has proven to be a TERRIBLE leader and a shitty teammate.

Not to mention the dude is non committal and would potentially be a 1 year rental.

INBE4ABUNCHOFLAKERSHOMERSFLIPOUT

[Tking714]

In terms of impact I'm taking Lamarcus Aldridge. He does all the things Blake can do except power layups. Better screen setter, and gets his points in the flow of the game. Superior defender in every facet, and can switch over to center for large stretches of the game. He opens the floor with a deadly shot and hits free throws. He doesn't draw too many fouls, but he capitalizes on the ones he does. He handles double teams pretty well. Blake may become a better player within 2 seasons, but right now Lamarcus does things that win basketball games. He just needs to leave Portland.

All of these same reasons can be used for Josh Smith, minus the length of Aldridge. But again, Blake is only a third year pro.

[OmniStrife]

The validity of this thread got tossed with the the inclusion of a player who never stepped on a bball court in the NBA.

[RoseCity07]

Blake Griffin is a pretty good basketball player but he still lacks ability in important areas. His defense isn't that great and he is limited by his length. He can't guard longer players in the post. He isn't a reliable free throw shooter although he has had his share of clutch free moments at the line. He isn't really unstoppable one on one yet. You don't have to make him give up the ball.

He has a lot to improve on.

[Overdrive]

He's got one of the greatest impacts of all players currently in the NBA. It's neither his stats nor making his team that better by himself.

But his rookie campaign already made him a star. Do you think the Clippers trade for CP3 without having Blake? There's no chance that he might stay there.
(All)Stars attract other starplayers. His biggest impact is exactly that, make the Clippers attractive.

It's not their front office or their coach that makes players take deals by the Clippers, it's Blake.

No way Kenyon Martin, Caron Butler or Grant Hill sign there as FAs if not for Blake.

[FreezingTsmoove]

What does Smith do better than Griffin other than play defense?


Elite defense you mean. Shoot better free throws, better jumper, can actually perform great in the playoffs against great PF's, can rebound in the playoffs (he grabbed 7 a game :lol :lol :lol ) , clutch Clutch CLUTCH!, oh and you won't see him getting benched for a guy like Reggie evans or Kenyon Martin in the 4th quarter. I mean you can't make this stuff up :confusedshrug:

[qrich]

Using blocks per game to determine defense eh....how about the fact that Zach Randolph averaged .1 blocks per game? In 26.3 minutes. Travis Leslie averaged .2 in 4.5 minutes. And that's a shooting guard as well.

Blake already has a decent bank shot and his midrange game is improving greatly as well. He may not be a good or even decent defender, but isn't as atrocious as Zach Randolph and bodied Dwight up well during OT of the Clip-Magic meeting last season.

I mean, considering his age/stats and the fact he has a lot of work to do just goes to show how good he can potentially end up being.

[RaininTwos]

What is this thread?

[Clippersfan86]

Elite defense you mean. Shoot better free throws, better jumper, can actually perform great in the playoffs against great PF's, can rebound in the playoffs (he grabbed 7 a game :lol :lol :lol ) , clutch Clutch CLUTCH!, oh and you won't see him getting benched for a guy like Reggie evans or Kenyon Martin in the 4th quarter. I mean you can't make this stuff up :confusedshrug:

Notice that only happened after his injury? Never before in his career has Griffin no played the 4th. Way to fit that into your agenda though.

[The Choken One]

Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Lamarcus Aldridge
Chris Bosh

After your top 4, only 2 or 3 others deserve consideration, but ultimately Blake is better than the rest.

[ImmortalNemesis]

Anthony Davis has played 0 NBA minutes. lol Why would you take him over Griffin?

[Fiasco]

Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Lamarcus Aldridge
Chris Bosh

After your top 4, only 2 or 3 others deserve consideration, but ultimately Blake is better than the rest.

I know you didn't just list Chris Bosh over Blake Griffin. Not even going to bother with the rest.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Notice that only happened after his injury? Never before in his career has Griffin no played the 4th. Way to fit that into your agenda though.


Okay ill give you that even though he;s a ****ing NBA player and its the ****ing Playoffs where there are no excuses. Now explain the extremely mediocre d, no clutch gene, no jumper, Shaq having a better free throw percentage than him last year, and being a franchise player but sitting out a 4th qtr to reggie evans

[The Choken One]

I know you didn't just list Chris Bosh over Blake Griffin. Not even going to bother with the rest.
I'm pretty unbiased in regards to all of them except Pau & Bosh. I love Pau, but it's pretty obvious he impacts the game more. I hate Bosh, but I have to give him credit. He's a much better scorer than Bosh and overall is the better player. Blake is a glorified dunker with an awkward post game when he's not just flying at the basket. We'll see how this season goes...

[DTreats]

Anthony Davis has played 0 NBA minutes. lol Why would you take him over Griffin?
Better defensive player, more polished offensively and gold medalist.

All of this from a college player, who would take Griffin over him?

[Clippersfan86]

Okay ill give you that even though he;s a ****ing NBA player and its the ****ing Playoffs where there are no excuses. Now explain the extremely mediocre d, no clutch gene, no jumper, Shaq having a better free throw percentage than him last year, and being a franchise player but sitting out a 4th qtr to reggie evans

A torn Meniscus and hyperextended knee is a valid excuse for being unable to play to your normal standard. The game before the injury Blake dropped 30, 5, 7 and 2 on Memphis which by anybody's standards is a superb game outside of the lower rebounding.

[brandonislegend]

I know you didn't just list Chris Bosh over Blake Griffin. Not even going to bother with the rest.
Every GM and coach in the league would take Chris bosh over Blake griffin if the objective was winning. The only reason they would pick griffin is to sell tickets what does griffin do better than bosh? Bosh has a post game, one of the best mid range shots in the league, excellent passer and good defender man to man and help. And he makes his free throws. The only thing griffin might be better at is rebounding.

[NugzFan]

I keep reading all these delusional posts about Blake Griffin, putting selling tickets aside which PFs would you take over Blake Griffin right now.

Blake Griffin is one of the most overrated players I have ever seen. He may get his stats but let's look further, he is a terrible man to man defender that relys on flopping as his main strength. He is invisible in terms of help defending for god sakes Dwayne Wade averages more blocks than him. He has terrible footwork and often jumps off the wrong foot. He is a decent passer for his size, he is a good rebounded thanks to his size and athleticism. He is amare 2.0 except he is a liability that can't hit free throws in the playoffs K-mart and Reggie freaking Evans played the fourth quarter over him. People argue that he is in the same boat as Dwight Howard because he can't hit free throws but that is flawed because Dwight actually makes an impact. He is the defensive player of the year and one of the most feared help side defenders if mot the most in the league. If people would watch actual tape instead of highlight reels on YouTube and ESPN people would come to the conclusion he is highly overrated.

As far as my list i would take over him this season
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Lamarcus Aldridge
Chris Bosh
Kevin Love
Kevin Garnett
Amare Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
David West
Zach Randolph
Anthony Davis
Nene
Paul Milsap
Greg Monroe

In terms of if a game is close in the fourt quarter.

:wtf:

[Clippersfan86]

:wtf:

His entire opinion is based off Griffin's first playoff experience, carrying an injury. It's pretty funny that 3 months later he's still this mad that a very banged up Clippers team beat his team.

[qrich]

Every GM and coach in the league would take Chris bosh over Blake griffin if the objective was winning. The only reason they would pick griffin is to sell tickets what does griffin do better than bosh? Bosh has a post game, one of the best mid range shots in the league, excellent passer and good defender man to man and help. And he makes his free throws. The only thing griffin might be better at is rebounding.

If Bosh is a good defender than Blake is a solid one and :oldlol: @ Bosh being an excellent psser, even for his position.

But hey you use blocks per game to determine defense, which means ZBo isn't top 10 either since he can just score but is a blackhole, horrid defender, atrocious passer a.d no d.

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If Bosh is a good defender than Blake is a solid one and :oldlol: @ Bosh being an excellent psser, even for his position.

But hey you use blocks per game to determine defense, which means ZBo isn't top 10 either since he can just score but is a blackhole, horrid defender, atrocious passer a.d no d.
Z-Bo can barely jump an inch off the ground, that's why he doesn't get blocks. And :wtf: Bosh may not be a great defender, but he's far better than Blake is. Bosh played great defense during the NBA finals. Bosh is a decent passer, he gets the job done. Bosh is much more versatile scoring in comparison to Blake, obviously Blake is still young and unpolished, but Bosh is a great shooter and can get to the rim surprisingly well at times too. In the 14 games Wade missed this season, Bosh averaged around 25 PPG as LBJ's 2nd option. He's definitely a better scorer than Blake is.

[Heavincent]

Bosh is probably a bit better than Griffin.

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http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/34995/does-blake-griffin-have-a-post-game

Good unbiased article on Blake's post game. He's a guy that demands double teams. He's efficient. He's your classic in the paint power forward, not a stretch 4. He has a jump shot, but needs to gain confidence once he's more consistent. That will improve his face up game. He has a lot to improve, but with his work ethic and winning attitude he should get there.

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If Bosh is a good defender than Blake is a solid one and :oldlol: @ Bosh being an excellent psser, even for his position.

But hey you use blocks per game to determine defense, which means ZBo isn't top 10 either since he can just score but is a blackhole, horrid defender, atrocious passer a.d no d.

Except Z-bo was one of the playoffs just 2 years ago when he was healthy. Him and Dirk were head and shoulders above everyone. He literally put the team on his back. Could not be stopped.

[qrich]

Z-Bo can barely jump an inch off the ground, that's why he doesn't get blocks. And :wtf: Bosh may not be a great defender, but he's far better than Blake is. Bosh played great defense during the NBA finals. Bosh is a decent passer, he gets the job done. Bosh is much more versatile scoring in comparison to Blake, obviously Blake is still young and unpolished, but Bosh is a great shooter and can get to the rim surprisingly well at times too. In the 14 games Wade missed this season, Bosh averaged around 25 PPG as LBJ's 2nd option. He's definitely a better scorer than Blake is.

I know why ZBo gets no blocks. He was amazing with the Clips and since then, I've been defending him saying he has an undeserved reputation. I'm just pointing out his blocks per game since op uses it as a measurement of defensive ability/skill.

As far as Bosh, I never said he's atrocious or bad, dude's just overrating him.