#13 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Moses Malone was voted the #12 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

20.6 PPG | 12.2 RPG | 1.4 APG

NBA Champion
1982-83 NBA Finals MVP
3

[DTreats]

Isaiah Thomas

[BlueandGold]

Oscar Robinson

[DaHeezy]

Julius Erving

[IGotACoolStory]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/1007/pistons.1989.photos/images/isiah-thomas.jpg

[chazzy]

West

[StateOfMind12]

Doctor Julius Erving.

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/files/t_31055.jpg

[DTreats]

Doctor Julius Erving.

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/files/t_31055.jpg
NBA, not ABA.

Better luck next time.

[bballnoob1192]

damnit west or oscar!!!!!! can't make up my mind...........

[Colbertnation64]

West

[RRR3]

Oscar

[jlauber]

Oscar, West, Dr. J, or perhaps even Bob Pettit.

I'll go with Oscar...

[StateOfMind12]

NBA, not ABA.

Better luck next time.
Why does it matter? We are discussing rankings of basketball players of all-time. ABA was just as competitive as the NBA when Erving dominated.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

oscar

[DTreats]

Why does it matter? We are discussing rankings of basketball players of all-time. ABA was just as competitive as the NBA when Erving dominated.
Title of the thread, "#13 NBA Player Of All-Time..."

[StateOfMind12]

Ok fine, then change my vote to Jerry West.

[kurple]

the **** is lebron doing at 11?

[kurple]

i vote for kenneth faried

[ThunderStruk022]

Oscar Robinson

At least get the guy's name right.

I vote for Oscar Robertson.

[Horatio33]

Jerry West.

[pauk]

http://pedrofeliz3b.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/jumpingoscar_a.gif

[Sakkreth]

Oscar

[fsvr54]

oscar robertson

[SuperPippen]

Jerry West definitely.

[Freedom Kid7]

As much as I love Zeke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7BmIVHdl3o), I can't logically put him at #12.
Instead, I'll keep saying Jerry GODDAMN West

[Eric Cartman]

It has to be Oscar Robertson. My vote goes for him.

[sagr32]

The Logo

[BoutPractice]

My vote goes to the Big O.

[pauk]

As much as I love Zeke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7BmIVHdl3o),

Whoa!

http://www.shinyshiny.tv/assets_c/2009/02/BeavisandButtHead-banging-thumb-240x205-76670.gif

[KG215]

Voted for him at #11 and #12, so I'll vote for him here, too.

Jerry West.

[Sarcastic]

Oscar Robertson.

[Stuckey]

oscar

[arifgokcen]

Oscar Robertson

[Harison]

Mr. Clutch aka West.

[MetsPackers]

Stephon Marbury

[bballnoob1192]

Stephon Marbury

damn people trying to derail this thread already. anyways i guess i'll pick West over oscar

[BlackVVaves]

Mr. West

[Vertical-24]

James Worthy

[Deuce Bigalow]

James Worthy
:biggums:

[Noof]

Jerry West for the third time.

[EnoughSaid]

Oscar Robertson is the choice. Seems like the good choice.

[DaHeezy]

NBA, not ABA.

Better luck next time.

Why isn't Julius comparable or even better than West NBA-wise?

Julius played 11 seasons in the NBA to West's 14. In less time they were equal in championships.
Julius has 1 MVP to West's 0. Julius had 2 ASMVP to West's 1. Career statistics are close. Julius NBA career was 22/6/4/50%. Has been an NBA all-star starter his whole career and has never missed the playoffs. He revolutionized the game to be played above the rim, was a decent 3 point shooter despite he 3-point line being new to the game. His second best player before Moses was probably George McGinnis, whereas West had Elgin Baylor before Wilt, a top 5 SF of all-time.

Too me Julius has a damn strong case at this spot. He's a career winner percentafe wise.

[INDI]

Oscar

[chips93]

Julius had 2 ASMVP to West's 1. Career statistics are close. Julius NBA career was 22/6/4/50%. Has been an NBA all-star starter his whole career and has never missed the playoffs. He revolutionized the game to be played above the rim,

do these bolded really matter? or are they just a product of being on deep and talented teams, and being a popular figure?


was a decent 3 point shooter despite he 3-point line being new to the game.

:biggums:

he made 0.1 threes per game in his career, and had a career high of 0.4 threes made per game

he wasnt a three point shooter. at all.


His second best player before Moses was probably George McGinnis, whereas West had Elgin Baylor before Wilt, a top 5 SF of all-time.

he has played with some great players

doug collins, world b free, caldwell jones, daryl dawkins, bobby jones, mo cheeks, andrew toney

not all-world kinda talent, but still, he had plenty of help



i think the only justification for having the doctor this high, is if you really value how he revolutionised the game, from dunking, to being such a huge part of the aba, and to being one of the first black superstars embraced by america. what he did for the game.



i vote for oscar robertson

[Alan Ogg]

West

[oolalaa]

Anyone who votes for Oscar over West deserves to be mauled by a Siberian tiger.

[Gifted Mind]

Isaiah Thomas
:facepalm

[DaHeezy]

do these bolded really matter? or are they just a product of being on deep and talented teams, and being a popular figure?

Grant it being voted in is due to popularity and it's more of a materialistic item, but the best do tend to achieve these monuments. It's not a huge case, but it's a case.
Making the playoffs your whole career is definately a notable accomplishment. Considering the players you named, if Julius wasn't there they'd go nowhere. Comparing the depth of the team you can say Julius had a little more depth but the team with Elgin Baylor is overall better. It's like comparing 2001 Lakers to the 2001 Blazers.



:biggums:

he made 0.1 threes per game in his career, and had a career high of 0.4 threes made per game

he wasnt a three point shooter. at all.

I'm not claiming he was a 3 point shooter, I'm just stating that he had the capability.

[chips93]

Making the playoffs your whole career is definitely a notable accomplishment. Considering the players you named, if Julius wasn't there they'd go nowhere. Comparing the depth of the team you can say Julius had a little more depth but the team with Elgin Baylor is overall better. It's like comparing 2001 Lakers to the 2001 Blazers.


oh, definitely, but julius still played on some very talented rosters

[L.Kizzle]

Elgin Baylor

[Lordragoonx1x]

Oscar

[fsvr54]

:facepalm

What is so strange? He should be top 20. I'd put him at 15.

[DaHeezy]

What is so strange? He should be top 20. I'd put him at 15.

It isn't too far fetched considering some rank him the second greatest PG of all-time

[Gifted Mind]

What is so strange? He should be top 20. I'd put him at 15.
The strange part was Jerry West and Oscar Robertson were possible choices

[Notitlesince73]

Isiah

[joeyjoejoe]

West

[Niquesports]

do these bolded really matter? or are they just a product of being on deep and talented teams, and being a popular figure?



:biggums:

he made 0.1 threes per game in his career, and had a career high of 0.4 threes made per game

he wasnt a three point shooter. at all.



he has played with some great players

doug collins, world b free, caldwell jones, daryl dawkins, bobby jones, mo cheeks, andrew toney

not all-world kinda talent, but still, he had plenty of help



i think the only justification for having the doctor this high, is if you really value how he revolutionised the game, from dunking, to being such a huge part of the aba, and to being one of the first black superstars embraced by america. what he did for the game.



i vote for oscar robertson

I vote for oscar also. BUt if you think all Doc did was dunk you must have never seen him play. He was unstoppable.Did you mention Caldwell Jones
:coleman:

[MisterAmazing]

the big o

[G-train]

Jerry West

[Niquesports]

Oscar put Oscar on them West Laker teams they beat the Celtics at least once

[Deuce Bigalow]

Anyone who votes for Oscar over West deserves to be mauled by a Siberian tiger.
I'll count that as a vote for West, yes?

[hangintheair]

Oscar Robertson

[Ne 1]

Jerry West.

[KOBE143]

The Logo

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oscar or West...

Seems like West is known more for his Playoff performances while Oscar's know for his all around game and triple doubles.

Both got the All-NBA team accolades, both got the championship, as the 2nd best players, both were great scorers and able to get a lot of assists. Oscar has an MVP which West doesn't, but West has a Finals MVP which Oscar doesn't. West has had a lot more team success. Even though they both won a championship, West been to 9 NBA Finals and was real close to having multiple years. Oscar hasn't won many playoff series in his career. obviously West had a better team throughout since he had Elgin Baylor as a teammate since he was drafted, while Oscar never got anyone on the caliber until he was already on his last legs. So using team success isn't really fair for these two, but you can't take away those 6 NBA Finals runs before Wilt came to LA that West got too.

If West's teammate Wilt didn't shoot 2-11 FT in a 1 point loss in Game 4 of the 69 Finals, then West would have had multiple rings. West had 40 points in that game. West was a dominant Finals performer, and I think that gives him the slight edge. So I go with Jerry West.

[Duncan21formvp]

Julius Erving.

[G-train]

Julius Erving.

Got Havlicek and Baylor to come at the smalll forward spot before Erving.

[talkingconch]

lol it took lebron 1 ring to get @ 11.

Only on ISH

[tpols]

Dr. J

[AlonzoGOAT]

lol it took lebron 1 ring to get @ 11.

Only on ISH
It took wilt 2 to get to 6. And kobe 2 as the the guy to get to 8 :confusedshrug:

[Snoop_Cat]

Jerry West.

Dr. J is quite overrated .... even if you want to include his ABA accomplishments.

[Snoop_Cat]

The strange part was Jerry West and Oscar Robertson were possible choices

Not to mention IsAiah Thomas as he spelled it currently plays for the Kings lol.

[StateOfMind12]

Dr. J is quite overrated .... even if you want to include his ABA accomplishments.
Care to explain your reasoning for why you think this?

[DirtySanchez]

Oscar and he should of been 11

[TerranOP]

West

[1987_Lakers]

Jerry West

[oolalaa]

Oscar or West...

Seems like West is known more for his Playoff performances while Oscar's know for his all around game and triple doubles.

Both got the All-NBA team accolades, both got the championship, as the 2nd best players, both were great scorers and able to get a lot of assists. Oscar has an MVP which West doesn't, but West has a Finals MVP which Oscar doesn't. West has had a lot more team success. Even though they both won a championship, West been to 9 NBA Finals and was real close to having multiple years. Oscar hasn't won many playoff series in his career. obviously West had a better team throughout since he had Elgin Baylor as a teammate since he was drafted, while Oscar never got anyone on the caliber until he was already on his last legs. So using team success isn't really fair for these two, but you can't take away those 6 NBA Finals runs before Wilt came to LA that West got too.

If West's teammate Wilt didn't shoot 2-11 FT in a 1 point loss in Game 4 of the 69 Finals, then West would have had multiple rings. West had 40 points in that game. West was a dominant Finals performer, and I think that gives him the slight edge. So I go with Jerry West.

West DOES have an MVP.

Unfortunately, voters have no ability, or willing, to apply any sort of context. In 69/70, West led the Lakers to 46 wins with Wilt, Baylor and Hairston missing a combined 125 games. Wilt missed damn near the whole season. They were 1-7 without west. He led them on a 9 game winning streak at the end of January in which he averaged 34ppg. With West in the lineup, they were 10-12 against the 4 best teams in the league. They were 2-4 against the Knicks, but West averaged 34ppg against them, including three 40+ point games. For the season, he averaged a 31/5/8 on 50% shooting.

Meanwhile, Reed averaged a 22/14/2 on the most stacked team in the league that had no notable injuries. This was easily his best defensive season, but he was certainly no Russ or Wilt as a defensive anchor.


And, btw, West has TWO Finals MVPs. Reed would definitely have deserved it if he had played the entire 7 games, but he didn't.

[JMT]

Oscar

[DG#8]

west

[pauk]

ISH has done a pretty damn good job with the list so far, thats almost exactly how my normal top 13 list looks like with the exception of Wilts current standing...

[Snoop_Cat]

Care to explain your reasoning for why you think this?

Sure.

We all know Dr. J for all his good traits - the unbelievable athleticism, his ability to put on a show, his overall very good stats....

But, he was a very limited player skill wise. People want to bash on LeBron for his lack of being refined, look at Dr. J. He couldn't shoot at all, was a solid defender at best (not saying he was bad), and couldn't lead the Sixers to a title as "the man".

I don't want to knock Erving too much for these things. BUT, people want to discredit guys like LeBron for these types of things all the time - is it not fair to also discredit Dr. J when comparatively speaking he was/is worse than LeBron in these aspects.

I'm not saying this to prop up LeBron btw, just using him as an example.

[Sarcastic]

It took wilt 2 to get to 6. And kobe 2 as the the guy to get to 8 :confusedshrug:

I think Wilt Chamberlain having his name alongside just about every record got him to 6.

[DaHeezy]

Sure.

We all know Dr. J for all his good traits - the unbelievable athleticism, his ability to put on a show, his overall very good stats....

But, he was a very limited player skill wise. People want to bash on LeBron for his lack of being refined, look at Dr. J. He couldn't shoot at all, was a solid defender at best (not saying he was bad), and couldn't lead the Sixers to a title as "the man".

I don't want to knock Erving too much for these things. BUT, people want to discredit guys like LeBron for these types of things all the time - is it not fair to also discredit Dr. J when comparatively speaking he was/is worse than LeBron in these aspects.

I'm not saying this to prop up LeBron btw, just using him as an example.

Dr.J was not limited skillwise :no:
You don't score 25+ points with 50% FG on limited skills.
He could get to the basket anytime he wanted, was creative in the air, and had a decent mid-pullup. He was feared on the streets for his versatile skillset. Dr.J was far from limited.

[Kblaze8855]

But, he was a very limited player skill wise. People want to bash on LeBron for his lack of being refined, look at Dr. J. He couldn't shoot at all, was a solid defender at best (not saying he was bad), and couldn't lead the Sixers to a title as "the man".



You can watch him in the ABA wetting 25 footers and nobody is shocked. He had a good midrange turnaround and a pullup jumper when I watched him and he was way past his prime then. All the footage I see of young Doc hes nailing pullup jumpers on the break....just stopping on a dime and raising up like Westbrook seems to do 8 times a game.

And being a solid defender at best(which I dont believe is true...) doesnt mean you have no defensive skill. It means you are about average. And with his athletic ability he made plays many couldnt. And im talking mini fro Doc.

And not leading the sixers to a title as "the man" isnt a skill. Its running into the Celtics and Lakers over and over. It was considered an upset when they lost in 77 but you cant put that on Doc.

He went hard as hell in the couple games ive seen that series. Game 6 he was doing it all. Just...amazing. Coast to coast, floaters, pullup jumpers, sick hesitations and spin moves into the paint. Hard to fault him for Walton going all Big Fundamental.

An awful lot of people in the 70s and the 80s had Doc as the best player ever. And I remember him being called the GOAT forward all the time. And it wasnt just him being exciting. Nobody said that of Nique or David Thompson.

Doc really had "Might be the best in the world" status from the mid 70s till the early 80s. I think hes a bit disrespected these days because he didnt do the numbers he could have had he been more selfish.

[Snoop_Cat]

You can watch him in the ABA wetting 25 footers and nobody is shocked. He had a good midrange turnaround and a pullup jumper when I watched him and he was way past his prime then. All the footage I see of young Doc hes nailing pullup jumpers on the break....just stopping on a dime and raising up like Westbrook seems to do 8 times a game.

And being a solid defender at best(which I dont believe is true...) doesnt mean you have no defensive skill. It means you are about average. And with his athletic ability he made plays many couldnt. And im talking mini fro Doc.

And not leading the sixers to a title as "the man" isnt a skill. Its running into the Celtics and Lakers over and over. It was considered an upset when they lost in 77 but you cant put that on Doc.

He went hard as hell in the couple games ive seen that series. Game 6 he was doing it all. Just...amazing. Coast to coast, floaters, pullup jumpers, sick hesitations and spin moves into the paint. Hard to fault him for Walton going all Big Fundamental.

An awful lot of people in the 70s and the 80s had Doc as the best player ever. And I remember him being called the GOAT forward all the time. And it wasnt just him being exciting. Nobody said that of Nique or David Thompson.

Doc really had "Might be the best in the world" status from the mid 70s till the early 80s. I think hes a bit disrespected these days because he didnt do the numbers he could have had he been more selfish.

Pertaining to the jump shooting, I don't fully agree with this. I'm not saying he was a solely drive-in guy, but he wasn't a spectacular shooter by any means. If I recall correctly, there's even things himself saying he didn't work on shooting too much because he didn't have to.

As far as "winning isn't a skill". I didn't mean to equate it to being a skill so sorry for the misinterpretation. I meant it as in regards to an All-Time ranking - there are plenty of others who are discredited for it despite facing stacked teams and obstacles, why shouldn't Dr. J be knocked down for it?

That's the 70's/80's. Looking at the list of all-time best forwards, many of them are from the post- Doc era.

Don't get me wrong, I love Erving and have him as a top 15-18 player. I just don't agree with him being better on an all-time list than a handful of other players.

[ganja0710]

Lmao this should have been LeBrons spot if it weren't for the 2010 bandwagon jumpers. :roll:

anyway, I vote for Oscar. It was either him or West.

[Rolando]

When I was growing up in the 70's the biggest two names were Kareem and Doctor J. Since Kareem is already voted in, it is time for Julius Erving to take his rightful place at #13.

[fpliii]

When I was growing up in the 70's the biggest two names were Kareem and Doctor J. Since Kareem is already voted in, it is time for Julius Erving to take his rightful place at #13.

I'm not so sure...

if you include his ABA years, Doc is way up there in the top 10 (probably top 7)

this thread is NBA-only though (which I disagree with, but it's not my thread), so he'll probably come in at 15 or 16

[Clifton]

Jerry West.

I have abstract knowledge that this spot probably belongs to either West, Oscar, or Dr. J. It's kind of a joke that I'm voting though because I've seen 10 games total of all these players *combined*. But probably only one person in 10 who will vote in this thread has seen any more than I have, so I'm voting anyway. *shrug*

[Rolando]

I'm not so sure...

if you include his ABA years, Doc is way up there in the top 10 (probably top 7)

this thread is NBA-only though (which I disagree with, but it's not my thread), so he'll probably come in at 15 or 16

Crap, I didn't take note of the NBA only aspect of this......That doesn't help the doctor. I will let my vote stand though.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#13 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

23- Oscar Robertson
19- Jerry West
5- Julius Erving
3- Isiah Thomas
1- Elgin Baylor
1- George Mikan
1- Kevin Garnett
1- Charles Barkley

[Jolokia]

Big O

[1987_Lakers]

How is ISH gonna vote Oscar Robertson ahead of Jerry West if they voted Magic ahead of Bird?:no:

[brownmamba00]

the Logo

[Heilige]

George Mikan

[pauk]

Current Results

23- Oscar Robertson
18- Jerry West
5- Julius Erving
2- Isiah Thomas
1- Elgin Baylor

Forgot to ask, when do you usually conclude the final results in these threads? Is it a "first player to *insert number* votes" or is there a time limit or something?

[SuperPippen]

I'm surprised at how many people think Oscar deserves to get in over West.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Forgot to ask, when do you usually conclude the final results in these threads? Is it a "first player to *insert number* votes" or is there a time limit or something?
If it's not close then we can move on, but if it's close I at least give a full day or until votes stop coming in.

[MrWarrior]

Oscar.

[Kblaze8855]

Pertaining to the jump shooting, I don't fully agree with this. I'm not saying he was a solely drive-in guy, but he wasn't a spectacular shooter by any means.

You said he couldnt shoot at all. There is a massive gulf between "Cant shoot at all" and merely not being a spectacular shooter.

I think the most accurate way to put it would be..Doc was a forward who attacked and played around the basket. But there is too much footage of him shooting to just say he flat out cant.

He didnt have good reason to do it. But when guys played off he showed he could hit a pullup jumper. Hes made game winning threes. The last shot of his career was an effortless three. He shot mostly in the upper 70s from the line up to 85%. He wasnt a....cant shoot. He was a didnt shoot. Hes a cant shoot compared to Bird. But compared to normal players from his day who grew up with no 3 point line?

He wasnt a deadly midrange shooter. But he scored an awful lot of points on bank shots and foul line pullup jumpers. Not sure what else is fair to expect. Why would a guy who was like 22 before he saw a 3 point line take 25 footers in practice?



If I recall correctly, there's even things himself saying he didn't work on shooting too much because he didn't have to.


Which is true. He didnt. Doesnt mean he was an unusually poor shooter. You can watch videos on him in the ABA making plenty of jumpers. Look on youtube...Doctor J 1974. he was making contested jumpers early in his career and he got better as the years went on.



As far as "winning isn't a skill". I didn't mean to equate it to being a skill so sorry for the misinterpretation. I meant it as in regards to an All-Time ranking - there are plenty of others who are discredited for it despite facing stacked teams and obstacles, why shouldn't Dr. J be knocked down for it?

He is. Its largely why he isnt considered as good as people thought he was at the time.

When Doc retired announcers were comparing him to Jesse Owens and Jim Brown types. Ive heard Bird call him the greatest forward of all time. Kareem as well I believe. Doctor J was as respected as it got. If he were not docked by time and lack of multiple NBA rings he would probably have most people calling him top 10.



That's the 70's/80's. Looking at the list of all-time best forwards, many of them are from the post- Doc era.

Many of the greatest everythings are from the post Doc era. His prime ended 30 years ago.


Don't get me wrong, I love Erving and have him as a top 15-18 player. I just don't agree with him being better on an all-time list than a handful of other players.

Which is perfectly fine. I just get annoyed at times with the extent people push things to make a guy look bad.

Couldnt shoot at all just doesnt seem fair to me.


http://youtu.be/Elthg0v2MOk?t=7m10s


The jumpers there just make believe?

Im sure for the record I could find a bunch of footage of Rondo hitting jumpers. But it isnt a regular part of his game. Doctor J was making midrange jumpers on a regular basis and nobody was shocked to see it like they are with Rondo. Ive seen him make too many 15 foot bank shots to let "He cant shoot at all" go by unquestioned.

[pauk]

http://youtu.be/Elthg0v2MOk?t=7m10s


The jumpers there just make believe?

Im sure for the record I could find a bunch of footage of Rondo hitting jumpers. But it isnt a regular part of his game. Doctor J was making midrange jumpers on a regular basis and nobody was shocked to see it like they are with Rondo. Ive seen him make too many 15 foot bank shots to let "He cant shoot at all" go by unquestioned.

Another awesome video, could spend the entire day just watching your videos. :)

[DaHeezy]

On the money kblaze.

Here's a video that shows examples of a player far ahead of his time. Dribbling behind the back, speedy quick first step, spin moves like Hakeem, ability to control the ball in the air making it move where ever he wanted to and finishing, wetting jumpers with great form and at the height of his jump.....
again by no means limited

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DebtVv87jDc&feature=fvwrel

[pauk]

On the money kblaze.

Here's a video that shows examples of a player far ahead of his time. Dribbling behind the back, speedy quick first step, spin moves like Hakeem, ability to control the ball in the air making it move where ever he wanted to and finishing, wetting jumpers with great form and at the height of his jump.....
again by no means limited

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DebtVv87jDc&feature=fvwrel

Even "Wades" euro-step windmill move was apparently first seen with Dr. J here (or at least i cant trace that move back any further than Dr. J):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DebtVv87jDc#t=181s

My point is your point, he was ahead of his time.

[miles berg]

Isiah

[DaHeezy]

Even "Wades" euro-step windmill move was apparently first seen with Dr. J here (or at least i cant trace that move back any further than Dr. J):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DebtVv87jDc#t=181s

My point is your point, he was ahead of his time.

I didn't realize but the clip @ 4:30, I had a bet with my friend about 10 years ago that Dr.J jumped so high he hit his head on the backboard in a dunk contest. there's the proof

[ImmortalD24]

Kevin Garnett

[Round Mound]

Barkley...Broken Down Stats Say He is Actually Top 10 but Ok Not Bad Top 13

[ripthekik]

lebron top 11 after being a career loser n winning after only teaming up:coleman:

[Nash]

lebron top 11 after being a career loser n winning after only teaming up:coleman:
Lebron is one of the most talented players in the history of the game. Even his biggest hater Skip Bayless says that. Even Bird, Magic, Big O, Pippen etc etc. And you question why he's at nr 11?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Give me Julius, but it was hard to pick between him and Zeke.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kevin Garnett

KG is going to be one of those players when he retires that people give demi-god status. Amazing how overrated he gets.