did Lebron really have extraordinary Jordanesque finals performance this year

[kizut1659]

This is not meant to be a Lebron-bashing thread, as - while i never performance really liked him - i think Lebron is already top 15 GOAT and has been the best player in the league since at least 2009.

What I do take issue with is people saying Lebron had one of the best finals performances in history and comparing it to Jordan's. My opinion is that Lebron played very very well but he didn’t quite reach Jordan’s levels from 1991-1993 and that his performance was not THAT much better than Kobe’s 2009 performance, i.e. it is somewhere between that of Jordan and Kobe.

Here are the stats
Jordan 1991 Finals: 31.2 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 11.4 APG, 2.8 SPG, 55.8% FG
Jordan 1992 Finals: 35.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.7 SPG, 52.6% FG
Jordan 1993 Finals: 41.0 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 6.3 APG, 1.7 SPG, 50.8% FG
Kobe 2009 Finals: 32.4 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.4 SPG, 43 FG%
Lebron 2012 Finals: 28.6 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.6 SPG, 472 FG%

Again, this is not meant to downgrade what Lebron has done but I personally think Oklahoma lost not only because Lebron played so well but also because of Westbrook’s ballhogging and dubious ref calls, i.e. Lebron did not play so out of his mind ala Jordan 1991-1993 that Oklahoma had no chance of winning.

[tmacattack33]

Eh, it was great but not flat out legendary.

I think you may be confusing people's praise for his entire playoff run with praise for his Finals.

Many have said his playoff run is an all-time great. I'd agree.

His Finals alone was great too, but not in the top 5 ever or anything.

[TylerOO]

His whole run was amazing. Top 3 ever easily

[Deuce Bigalow]

no, lol

[Collie]

It was great, but I'd take 91 and 93 over it. Might take it over 92 performance, but man, 36-5-7, that's about 7 points for 5 more rebounds and 1 more assist.

[OldSchoolBBall]

It was great, but I'd take 91 and 93 over it. Might take it over 92 performance, but man, 36-5-7, that's about 7 points for 5 more rebounds and 1 more assist.

On much better efficiency. In fact, given the difference in efficiency between Lebron's '12 Finals (47% FG/49% eFG/56% TS) and MJ's '92 Finals (53% FG/57% eFG/62% TS), it's more like a 9+ point difference.

[lilgodfather1]

LeBron's entire playoff run was absolutely great, but his finals performance was just very good. For LeBron it is a lot of praise because he finally got over the hump, and hopefully the title draught is over like MJ's was after the first.

[ILLsmak]

not so much, but he won his first ring as the best player and got a Finals MVP.

I wonder if people even care how "great" their run was if they win. Nobody wants to play badly, but if you play well... who cares how well?

-Smak

[kNicKz]

It was a great run, but retards like the one under this text are what ruins it



His whole run was amazing. Top 3 ever easily

[KOBE143]

Dont even compare him to this two GOAT, Jordan and Kobe..

His playoff and finals run were overrated, in fact its not even a top ten all time.. Only his retarded stans will tell you so..

[Da_Realist]

On much better efficiency. In fact, given the difference in efficiency between Lebron's '12 Finals (47% FG/49% eFG/56% TS) and MJ's '92 Finals (53% FG/57% eFG/62% TS), it's more like a 9+ point difference.

91: 31 on 56%
92: 36 on 53%
93: 41 on 51%

The combination of skill, creativity and athleticism he put on display was unbelievable. I just watched 93 1st Rd Game 3 vs Hawks. I think he shot 16-27 or something like that. So effortless. He could give it to guys any way he wanted to. Amazing to watch in his prime. Best perimeter scorer ever.

[FireDavidKahn]

When you actually watch what he did on tape, yes. He was unbelievable against OKC.

[pauk]

When you actually watch what he did on tape, yes. He was unbelievable against OKC.

This, also some stuff doesnt show on the statsheet (like defense and closing/clutch plays).

But overall his playoff performance was easily one of the best ever by a Finals MVP, Jordanesque but not as Jordanesque as especially 1991, that i consider the best playoff performance ever by a Finals MVP, then comes Hakeem 1994-95, Shaq 2000 and so on....

[Hands of Iron]

Jordan and Shaq absolutely run the game as far as Finals performances are concerned. Check out the active thread that includes MJ, Shaq, Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Bird, Magic, Olajuwon, Duncan, etc.

[kizut1659]

LeBron's entire playoff run was absolutely great, but his finals performance was just very good. For LeBron it is a lot of praise because he finally got over the hump, and hopefully the title draught is over like MJ's was after the first.

Exactly. I think media is just creating a narrative about how Lebron finally got it and all the redemption stuff so they are overrating his performance and ignoring the fact that a big part of the reason Miami won had nothing to do with Lebron's play.

[ripthekik]

Exactly. I think media is just creating a narrative about how Lebron finally got it and all the redemption stuff so they are overrating his performance and ignoring the fact that a big part of the reason Miami won had nothing to do with Lebron's play.
this. with wade n bosh its not hard at all.

[KembaWalker]

Here are the stats
Jordan 1991 Finals: 31.2 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 11.4 APG, 2.8 SPG, 55.8% FG
Jordan 1992 Finals: 35.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.7 SPG, 52.6% FG
Jordan 1993 Finals: 41.0 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 6.3 APG, 1.7 SPG, 50.8% FG
Kobe 2009 Finals: 32.4 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.4 SPG, 43 FG%
Lebron 2012 Finals: 28.6 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.6 SPG, 472 FG%


:bowdown: :coleman:

[G-Funk]

considering the competition he went against, hell no

[LakersReign]

Exactly. I think media is just creating a narrative about how Lebron finally got it and all the redemption stuff so they are overrating his performance and ignoring the fact that a big part of the reason Miami won had nothing to do with Lebron's play.

This, and the fact that Stern made it clear that the Finals weren't going back to OKC, where the Heat still stood a chance to lose, regardless, is just plain out funny as hell. Lebron only beasted out those 45 points vs Boston, for the simple fact that he didn't want to go through yet another year of his critics, slapping him in the back of the head saying "oh....well....well....well....well....you call yourself "king james" and can't win an NBA title." While many were pulling for Boston to beat them, the end of that series was never really in doubt. ESPN had them beating Boston regardless. Beasting out those same 45 points in a clear and total annihilation of the Celtics, from jump would've been more impressive. Which is exactly why his fans have no business trying to compare that to anything Jordan did in the playoffs.:no:

[BoutPractice]

He played as well as a player with a broken jumpshot could. Nothing major to criticize in his performance, he was mostly the ideal basketball player out there.

His team had a favourable matchup and faced terrible defensive schemes. For some reason OKC preferred wide open 3s to 2 point plays, doubling LeBron in a very crude, unsophisticated way. But that was all OKC's fault, LeBron reacted perfectly to what they threw at him. Decision making is what makes offensive greatness, and LeBron showed much better decision making this year than in 2011.

[kizut1659]

this. with wade n bosh its not hard at all.

I think the ref calls + Westbrook's ball-hogging were bigger reasons. Of course OKC got all the calls agains the Mavs and the Spurs.

[kizut1659]

He played as well as a player with a broken jumpshot could. Nothing major to criticize in his performance, he was mostly the ideal basketball player out there.

His team had a favourable matchup and faced terrible defensive schemes. For some reason OKC preferred wide open 3s to 2 point plays, doubling LeBron in a very crude, unsophisticated way. But that was all OKC's fault, LeBron reacted perfectly to what they threw at him. Decision making is what makes offensive greatness, and LeBron showed much better decision making this year than in 2011.

agreed - my point was that he was good but not all-time historic great and the media has overblown whatever "leap" he made this year. Was he really playing better than in 2009 when he averaged something like 34-8-8 in a loss against Orlando?

[Collie]

On the offensive side, don't forget Magic's 87 Finals, he dropped something like 26-8-13 on only 2.6 TOPG and shot a ridiculous percentage (56% IIRC).

[tobethdope]

racking up stats doesnt make u jordanesque or your run one of the best ever

mj did it with flair, style and this certain "je ne sais quoi", thats why he got the love he got, not because he got 30 every night

and regardless how much u bron-stans try or argue here on ish, in 50 years nobody will say "u remember the

[DJ Leon Smith]

If he wasn't outscored by James Harden it would have been a massive step up from his previous NBA Finals, the fact that he played at a usual superstar standard made it seem like it was God-like coming from LeBron.

Weird to think that a multiple MVP playing in his third NBA Finals would have such low expectations but that's the LeBron paradox.

[Horatio33]

Before game 6 in Boston people were wondering if LeBron was choking under pressure, now it's an all time great run. :facepalm

[Nash]

Who said anything about his finals being extraordinary? Its his whole playoff run that was special.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Its funny though how some people act like Heat role players didn't play like absolute s.hit the first 3 rounds. Lebron basically carried them for huge stretches against Indiana and Boston. Wade was playing on a bum knee, they lost Bosh for the 2nd round and most of the ECF, etc. Its also funny how people forget how the 2012 Spurs were getting comparisons to all time great teams. OKC backdoor sweeps them, but when Miami beats OKC its only because they were "young" :oldlol: Lets not forget OKC was in fact favored and had HCA. I remember when OKC won game 1, people were literally saying Durant was on his way to being top 10 all-time. Even on ISH, I would 60-65% of the posters had OKC winning it all. People don't realize all the s.hit Miami had to go through to win that title.

[ZaaaaaH]

No, not even close.

Stats are for Geeks who never watch the games.

[ZaaaaaH]

[QUOTE=tobethdope]racking up stats doesnt make u jordanesque or your run one of the best ever

mj did it with flair, style and this certain "je ne sais quoi", thats why he got the love he got, not because he got 30 every night

[B]and regardless how much u bron-stans try or argue here on ish, in 50 years nobody will say "u remember the

[ILLsmak]

Exactly. I think media is just creating a narrative about how Lebron finally got it and all the redemption stuff so they are overrating his performance and ignoring the fact that a big part of the reason Miami won had nothing to do with Lebron's play.

Oh, I think it had a lot to do with his play. How can you say that? Nobody else was playing at superstar level but him.

-Smak

[riseagainst]

having amazing stats doesn't mean having an extraordinary run. Lebron had a great run, but to me, Dirk's 2011 run was more impressive considering circumstances and other things despite having slightly inferior stats. Regular fans check box scores for statlines and final scores and make a conclusion about a player from that; real fans watch the games and understand exactly how everything played out to judge a player's performance.

[Tking714]

Yes. Did some of you even watch the games? Lebron dominated the boards, and the post period for that matter. Got his teammates involved within the flow of the game and still got his. He made it look easier than what it was. He made Perkins and Ibaka look small. And he still had to come back and gaurd Kevin f-ing Durant who had arguably just as good a series with his timely shots (not number wise, but he had icewater veins and was hitting shots when it mattered not just chucking)

Wade for sure couldn't gaurd anybody with his gimp knee, It was basically Battier and Miller picking up the slack.

For some reason people think Jordan flew to the basket on every possession, just dunked it, did an up and under reverse layup, a no look pass, etc. No Jordan played the game like a human and put in work much like everyone else. His opponents weren't scrubs like some of you think either. They were equally getting theirs, but none of you mention the numbers that his opponents were putting up either :facepalm

[chips93]

When you actually watch what he did on tape, yes. He was unbelievable against OKC.

:kobe:

what kinda back ward ass dude still uses VHS!?

[jlip]

As mentioned by many, Lebron's overall playoff run was more impressive than his Finals. IMO his run is very underrated by many people on here in terms of it's impressiveness. If it's possible to fathom, his run was actually better than the 30/10/6 statline really suggests. This is a case of having to watch the playoffs, being a major criterion for being able to assess how great it truly was.

It's one thing to dominate and to put up impressive numbers just because you are better than everyone else. That's what some other legends have done. It's another thing to dominate because your team has serious holes and needs you to fill in those holes with your play or they lose. I've never seen one player have to carry so much of a load on an alleged "superteam" during a playoff run. (Others such as Hakeem in '94 or Duncan in '03 have probably carried bigger loads but no one called their teams, "super teams".)

For huge stretches during this run, especially with either Bosh or Haslem out, Lebron had to make up for huge gaps in the middle. He didn't do that by just having a big scoring game. He had to, from time to time, actually go into the middle and defend and rebound against centers and power forwards, by assignment not on switches. Couple that with the fact that his best teammate Wade would be sporadic and unpredictable with his play, often being absent for entire halves causing Lebron to have to keep the team alive with his scoring. (He led the entire playoffs in scoring.) Finally he would in turn have to guard some of the best sfs in the game during crucial moments along with coming up big when his team was down.

Lebron literally was the best everything on his team other than ft/ 3pt shooter. His 30/10/6 statline doesn't show those things.

[ripthekik]

Who said anything about his finals being extraordinary? Its his whole playoff run that was special.
Playing in the east without 2 of the best players outside Heat: Rose, Dwight

playing the Knicks in the first round :lol
being down to the Pacers who didnt' even have 1 superstar compared to heat's 3
and being taken to 7 games by an old injured Celtics

IMPRESSIVE!? :roll: :roll: :roll: :applause:

[kizut1659]

Oh, I think it had a lot to do with his play. How can you say that? Nobody else was playing at superstar level but him.

-Smak

Well, Durant did average 31/6/2 on 54 FG%. And I am not saying Miami's win had nothing to do with Lebron's play of course. My point was that it was a close series and the tiebraker if you will were the refs + Westbrook's ballhogging.

[tmacattack33]

Playing in the east without 2 of the best players outside Heat: Rose, Dwight

playing the Knicks in the first round :lol
being down to the Pacers who didnt' even have 1 superstar compared to heat's 3
and being taken to 7 games by an old injured Celtics

IMPRESSIVE!? :roll: :roll: :roll: :applause:

Newsflash: Bosh did not play against Indiana outside of the first 3 quarters of game 1, and he did not play for 80% of the Boston series.

[tmacattack33]

Newsflash: Bosh did not play against Indiana outside of the first 3 quarters of game 1, and he did not play for 80% of the Boston series.

Scratch that. Shoulda said first 1.5 quarters. Bosh got injured in the middle of the second quarter in game 1 against Indiana.

[RRR3]

This, and the fact that Stern made it clear that the Finals weren't going back to OKC, where the Heat still stood a chance to lose, regardless, is just plain out funny as hell. Lebron only beasted out those 45 points vs Boston, for the simple fact that he didn't want to go through yet another year of his critics, slapping him in the back of the head saying "oh....well....well....well....well....you call yourself "king james" and can't win an NBA title." While many were pulling for Boston to beat them, the end of that series was never really in doubt. ESPN had them beating Boston regardless. Beasting out those same 45 points in a clear and total annihilation of the Celtics, from jump would've been more impressive. Which is exactly why his fans have no business trying to compare that to anything Jordan did in the playoffs.:no:
Dumbest post of all time :roll: :roll: :roll:
Dis foo's blood vessels burstin' in anger doe

[RRR3]

Dumb(rrr3), would be you(rrr3) posting this:http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6676/92ab9826feda41e28b3aeb1.png http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=273624&page=3

...but yet can never explain why you've(rrr3) been mad as **** since December 2011 over them. While, trying to call other people dumb(rrr3). CLEARLY his(rrr3) "expert" opinion on both subjects:roll:
Reigny=only denizen of a commune in France, scared everyone else off by throwing his own fecal matter at 'em:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LakersReign]

(yawn):sleeping

[RRR3]

(yawn):sleeping
^Reigny's go-to-move when he can't think of a comeback :lol

[LakersReign]

...says this pure ret**d(rrr3) who's ONLY comeback when he(rrr3) gets b***hslapped....AS USUAL, is to post the same tired crap over and over. Like he's been doing since December 2011, cuz his(rrr3) one brain cell can't think of anything else. Keeping in mind, all this is over my supposedly unintentionally funny posts. Yet another one of his(rrr3) 'expert" opinions. Pure dumba**(rrr3):hammerhead:

[RRR3]

...says this pure ret**d(rrr3) who's ONLY comeback when he(rrr3) gets b***hslapped....AS USUAL, is to post the same tired crap over and over. Like he's been doing since December 2011. Keeping in mind, all thios is over my supposedly unintentionally funny posts/ Pure dumba**(rrr3):hammerhead:
reigny has negative reputation. He mad no one takes him seriously :lol

[Mach_3]

He played extremely well no doubt about it, but comp. was watered down a little bit imo. Went through the Knicks, Pacers, the Celtics (the primary man guarding him was playing on a bad knee) then he played against OKC where Durant proved he had no idea how to guard Lebron and didn't even look like he wanted to try to guard him half the time.

[LBJFTW]

When you actually watch what he did on tape, yes. He was unbelievable against OKC.

Jordan tape + stats > Lebron tape + stats to the point where you can't use the term "Jordanesque finals performance"

You can say it was great, but for them to say it was Jordanesque is a bit of a stretch.

[RRR3]

You're(rrr3) absolutely right. No one(rrr3) is taking me seriously. Which is exactly why you're(rrr3....no one) here, mad as **** since December 2011. And also why he's(rrr3) STILL here and STILL responding to me:http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6676/92ab9826feda41e28b3aeb1.png http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=273624&page=3

:hammerhead:
Rob "no drama" Fleming :roll:

[LakersReign]

......cuz this lyin' dumba**(rrr3) said so:rolleyes:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6676/92ab9826feda41e28b3aeb1.png http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=273624&page=3

Oh, and by the way, guess we can't all be "good posters" like you, who come on an NBA forum, and would rather talk about your(rrr3) sick g*y OBSESSION over another guy, than the NBA....huh?:facepalm:facepalm

[LEFT4DEAD]

You're(rrr3) absolutely right. No one(rrr3) is taking me seriously. Which is exactly why you're(rrr3....no one) here, mad as **** since December 2011. And also why he's(rrr3) STILL here and STILL responding to me:http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6676/92ab9826feda41e28b3aeb1.png http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=273624&page=3

:hammerhead:
LOL Im dying over here. Now I know who you are!!! There is only one so retarded person on the planet, and I should have known who are you!
ROB FLEMING!!! hahahahha
ISH shame on you. This forum has to be on the all time low since this retard is not banned yet.

I mean, guy was in Iraq' war and was raped in the a$$ by some muslim' terorist.
And now he is posting on so called "best BBALL forum on the internet". :lol :lol Shame on you ISH. Jeff, Im disappointed.

[RRR3]

LOL Im dying over here. Now I know who you are!!! There is only one so retarded person on the planet, and I should have known who are you!
ROB FLEMING!!! hahahahha
ISH shame on you. This forum has to be on the all time low since this retard is not banned yet.

I mean, guy was in Iraq' war and was raped in the a$$ by some muslim' terorist.
And now he is posting on so called "best BBALL forum on the internet". :lol :lol Shame on you ISH. Jeff, Im disappointed.
Wait, what? Explain please

[LEFT4DEAD]

Wait, what? Explain please
Yeah, thats right. He was a soldier in Iraq, I dont know exactlly when. He was speaking about it on former NBA forum on Facebook and on his profile were some informations about it. And he has some kind of Post-traumatic Stress Disorder or PTSD. There was a story circling around the forum that he was caught by terrorists and raped. He was bought urgently back to USA after that. I believe all of that, and I still remember that guy even though that forum doesnt exist almost 2 years. This is the biggest retard you will ever meet in your life, be sure about that.

[LakersReign]

Yeah, thats right. He was a soldier in Iraq, I dont know exactlly when. He was speaking about it on former NBA forum on Facebook and on his profile were some informations about it. And he has some kind of Post-traumatic Stress Disorder or PTSD. There was a story circling around the forum that he was caught by terrorists and raped. He was bought urgently back to USA after that. I believe all of that, and I still remember that guy even though that forum doesnt exist almost 2 years. This is the biggest retard you will ever meet in your life, be sure about that.

TRANSLATION: I(left4dead) made the whole thing up, which is exactly why the ONLY proof of any of that I really have at this point is to post my(left4dead) lies, and HOPE he agrees with me. To give me the credibility I(left4dead) really don't have, since I CAN'T prove anything otherwise. Being that I'm(left4dead) the same moron(left4dead) who said Kobe is equal to Moses Malone.:hammerhead:
http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx150/cousin_e/OHDAMNLOL.gif


Good luck with all that:roll:

[RRR3]

Yeah, thats right. He was a soldier in Iraq, I dont know exactlly when. He was speaking about it on former NBA forum on Facebook and on his profile were some informations about it. And he has some kind of Post-traumatic Stress Disorder or PTSD. There was a story circling around the forum that he was caught by terrorists and raped. He was bought urgently back to USA after that. I believe all of that, and I still remember that guy even though that forum doesnt exist almost 2 years. This is the biggest retard you will ever meet in your life, be sure about that.
Dude if he has PTSD then we should leave him alone for real.

[CavaliersFTW]

His whole run was amazing. Top 3 ever easily
:roll:

[LEFT4DEAD]

TRANSLATION: I(left4dead) made the whole thing up, which is exactly why the ONLY proof of any of that I really have at this point is to post my(left4dead) lies, and HOPE he agrees with me. To give me the credibility I(left4dead) don't have:facepalm

You(left4dead) also said Kobe is equal to Moses Malone.:roll:
http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx150/cousin_e/OHDAMNLOL.gif


Good luck with all that:roll:
No need for acting Rob Fleming. You know that everybody who was posting on ex FB-NBA forum knows this. And when you start typing the names in brackets means that PTSD is taking his effect. You are not even sure who are you writing to. :confusedshrug:

[LakersReign]

Yeah...that's right. Keep posting your(rrr3) lies, then turn right around and BEG me to go along with them cuz it's OBVIOUS you(rrr3) CAN'T prove anything otherwise. Since you(rrr3) have NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER Pure dumba**(rrr3):facepalm

FINALLY gave up on reigny(a city in France that I'm supposedly from...as well....cuz he(rrr3) said so...too)....huh? Good luck with all that:roll:

[KingBeasley08]

damn i needa wait before negging reigny again. kid deserves atleast 6-7 red bars :oldlol:

[KingBeasley08]

This, and the fact that Stern made it clear that the Finals weren't going back to OKC, where the Heat still stood a chance to lose, regardless, is just plain out funny as hell. Lebron only beasted out those 45 points vs Boston, for the simple fact that he didn't want to go through yet another year of his critics, slapping him in the back of the head saying "oh....well....well....well....well....you call yourself "king james" and can't win an NBA title." While many were pulling for Boston to beat them, the end of that series was never really in doubt. ESPN had them beating Boston regardless. Beasting out those same 45 points in a clear and total annihilation of the Celtics, from jump would've been more impressive. Which is exactly why his fans have no business trying to compare that to anything Jordan did in the playoffs.:no:
I'll take the bait... this makes no sense at all. You pretty much just said the only reason he played so well in Game 6 is because there was a lot of pressure, and you're blaming him for that.. :wtf:

45 points on 70% every game... not even your hero kobe could do that

[KingBeasley08]

AND....here comes the PREDICTABLE sock puppet peanut gallery....cuz he's(rrr3) supposedly telling the truth. But STILL....NEEDS backup to do that for some strange reason. Good luck with all that:sleeping
where's the proof that I am RRR3? u got IPs or something? if not, then quit talkin outta ur ass sport

[LakersReign]

All this only works if I agree with it and I won't. So....good luck with all that:sleeping

[TheMan]

His whole run was amazing. Top 3 ever easily
It is if you started watching the NBA since, like 2008...:facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

AND....AS ALWAYS.....here comes the PREDICTABLE sock puppet peanut gallery....cuz he's(rrr3) supposedly telling the truth. But STILL....NEEDS backup to do that for some strange reason. Y'all probably NEED to hold his(rrr3) d**k for him when he goes to the bathroom too...huh? Good luck with all that:sleeping
YOUR a sockpuppet to rrr3. Do you have any proof that your not? I'll wait. :lol

[Hands of Iron]

It is if you started watching the NBA since, like 2008...:facepalm

NBA on NBC boasted the Greatest Finals MVP performances, 1990-2002. :applause:

[LakersReign]

YOUR a sockpuppet to rrr3. Do you have any proof that your not? I'll wait. :lol

AND....I'll wait until you(cavftw) learn how to spell:facepalm