Bin Laden shot by his own before SEALS got to him

[KevinNYC]

that is what a new book from a Navy SEAL who was in on the Raid claims
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/no-easy-day-bin-laden-raid-book_n_1837947.html

EDIT: I believe this is a misreading of the book by the Huffington Post writer. See further downthread for the AP's account which has the first Navy SEAL shooting Bin Laden


The much-anticipated firsthand account of the Navy SEALs raid that killed Osama bin Laden reveals the terrorist leader was unarmed and was already dead with a bullet to the brain when the SEALs entered his bedroom in the compound at Abbottabad, Pakistan.

As the SEALS ascended a narrow staircase, the team's point man saw a man poke his head from a doorway, wrote a SEAL using the pseudonym Mark Owen (whose real identity has since been revealed by Fox News) in “No Easy Day,” a copy of which was obtained at a bookstore by The Huffington Post.

"We were less than five steps from getting to the top when I heard suppressed shots. BOP. BOP," writes Owen. "I couldn't tell from my position if the rounds hit the target or not. The man disappeared into the dark room."

[Scoooter]

Fascinating. I wonder if that was Bin Laden's order, or if it came from elsewhere.

[KevinNYC]

elsewhere being who?

I saw someone else comment that it was well known that Bin Laden told his people not to allow him to be taken alive.

[AlonzoGOAT]

Seals got robbed by the CIA once again

[miller-time]

i just can't wait until the people come in here to tell us how he died in 2001.

something doesn't sit well with this guy. he seems to have some sort of problem with obama but only conveys it in a passive aggressive manor.

even though obama isn't directly involved in the mission giving the green light has its own weight of responsibility.

[KevinNYC]

something doesn't sit well with this guy. he seems to have some sort of problem with obama but only conveys it in a passive aggressive manor.


My take on that is none of these guys have much respect for politicians.

[Scoooter]

elsewhere being who?

I saw someone else comment that it was well known that Bin Laden told his people not to allow him to be taken alive.
Just letting my mind wander.

[andgar923]

I find the timing a bit suspicious

[Myth]

elsewhere being who?

I saw someone else comment that it was well known that Bin Laden told his people not to allow him to be taken alive.

At first I was confused as to why his men would happen to have killed him just before the SEALS arrived, but this makes sense. Either way, he died because we found him.

[East_Stone_Ya]

well there is no proof/footage that he was ever caught/shot so why would we believe that he was even there? There were some unconfirmed reports that Osama died in 2001 to a kidney failure. I wouldn't be surprised if this was all part of propaganda war against al-qaeda

[RoseCity07]

There's something about the mention of Fox News that take credibility away from this story. Did he go to Fox News first? If so, why? They are not the place to go when you want to be taken seriously. Then they release his real name? What benefit is that to anyone? The only thing I can think of is this guy wants to be famous.

[Riddler]

well there is no proof/footage that he was ever caught/shot so why would we believe that he was even there?


Some people have built up enough trust in our government to believe that they would never lie to us.



i just can't wait until the people come in here to tell us how he died in 2001.

December 12, 2001 (In my opinion)

[KevinNYC]

well there is no proof/footage that he was ever caught/shot so why would we believe that he was even there? There were some unconfirmed reports that Osama died in 2001 to a kidney failure. I wouldn't be surprised if this was all part of propaganda war against al-qaeda

There are massive amounts of evidence Bin Laden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_and_audio_recordings_of_Osama_bin_Laden)was alive after 2001. Not all of the recordings on that list are confirmed. He even commented on the 2004 election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_bin_Laden_video)(and some say tried to influence the election in favor of Bush)


Even though al Jazeera (when broadcasting the footage on its evening newscast) didn't disclose the source of the video, sources within the United States intelligence community have confirmed that the speaker, who appears behind a lectern, is indeed bin Laden. By mentioning 2004 U.S. presidential candidate John Kerry by name, the tape would seem to prove that bin Laden was still alive at least mid-way through 2004.

[KevinNYC]

After his death, Al Qaeda posted that he was dead and swore revenge.

[East_Stone_Ya]

There are massive amounts of evidence Bin Laden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_and_audio_recordings_of_Osama_bin_Laden)was alive after 2001. Not all of the recordings on that list are confirmed. He even commented on the 2004 election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_bin_Laden_video)(and some say tried to influence the election in favor of Bush)


c'mon man ''sources within the United States intelligence community''?
They could say what ever they want just to push their agenda for the need of war against terrorism

[KevinNYC]

There's something about the mention of Fox News that take credibility away from this story. Did he go to Fox News first? If so, why? They are not the place to go when you want to be taken seriously. Then they release his real name? What benefit is that to anyone? The only thing I can think of is this guy wants to be famous.

He did not go to Fox News.

Why did Fox News release his name? My speculation and others' is that Fox did it to damage him. The book is coming out before the election and will remind people that he was killed on Obama's watch. I think the leak to Fox was payback for that.

Al Qaeda has now threatened his life.

[KevinNYC]

c'mon man ''sources within the United States intelligence community''?
They could say what ever they want just to push their agenda for the need of war against terrorism

We're not the only country with an intelligence agency. It would be easy to embarrass us if we were pulling a fast one.

Also, see the bit about Al Qaeda confirming the death.

[Riddler]

http://viewzone2.com/ciaosama.jpg


LOL.

[KevinNYC]

There's something about the mention of Fox News that take credibility away from this story. Did he go to Fox News first? If so, why? They are not the place to go when you want to be taken seriously. Then they release his real name? What benefit is that to anyone? The only thing I can think of is this guy wants to be famous.

By the way, Al Qaeda also thought Fox News lacked credibility.

In Peter Bergen's book Manhunt, which I recommend to everyone in this thread , he talks about what Al Qaeda was thinking about for the 10th anniversary of 9/11 and their media advisor, who is American, said they should release a big videotape to all the networks, except Fox because they "lack neutrality."

[RoseCity07]

He did not go to Fox News.

Why did Fox News release his name? My speculation and others' is that Fox did it to damage him. The book is coming out before the election and will remind people that he was killed on Obama's watch. I think the leak to Fox was payback for that.

Al Qaeda has now threatened his life.

Does anyone really need to be remind that he died on Obama's watch? Do any people who like Obama or hate Obama not know that?

[KevinNYC]

http://viewzone2.com/ciaosama.jpg
LOL.
You guys know that there were a lot of people in the house in Pakistan and saw Bin Laden dead. Why would his family who have been deported to Saudi Arabia keep his death quiet?

Also Al Qaeda is heavily invested in martyrdom. That's why we eventually get confirmation from the source itself. They want the death of one of their own to inspire others, this is why they also play up the martydom of their jihadis.

[KevinNYC]

We're going to hear a lot more about that after Labor day until November.

And there's a lot of things Obama did that people don't know about. Like cut income taxes. (http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/a-bogus-tax-attack-against-obama/)

There's a lot people who think Obama did things he didn't do.

[East_Stone_Ya]

We're not the only country with an intelligence agency. It would be easy to embarrass us if we were pulling a fast one.

Also, see the bit about Al Qaeda confirming the death.

yeah but also since no footage has ever been shown they could have easily claimed that it was untrue and continued to motivate al-qaeda fighters to fight in the name of their symbol(Osama).

also all this need of war against terrorism and fighting in Aghanistan this has convinced me that wars are always manipulated by the ''BIG POWERS'' to serve their interests.

Charles Sullivan has said:

[QUOTE]Wars are not waged by those who have to fight them.
Those who fight wars know too well their terrible
costs. Wars are waged by those who profit from them
with minimal or no risk to themselves. War is big
business and it is immensely profitable for a select
few who are insulated from the effects of war

[RoseCity07]

Of course there are people who believe the lies put out by the GOP. They always lie because there are a lot of people that will believe them and get scared.

I don't even blame the rich for voting republican. Somewhere along the way they decided they were better than poor people and that the poor don't deserve affordable healthcare. I just don't understand how some of the people who are poor and stand to benefit from healthcare reform vote against it because Obama supports gay marriage or a woman's right to have an abortion.

Some people say they are for an embryo's right to live but they don't have much regard for life after birth.

[KevinNYC]

Please explain how that quote relates to the war in Afghanistan.

[KevinNYC]

Of course there are people who believe the lies put out by the GOP.

Repetition helps turn facts (or non-facts) into beliefs.

If their argument is What has Obama done? The repetition of a pesky fact like he ordered and helped plan the raid that killed Bin Laden is not going to help their argument.

[East_Stone_Ya]

Please explain how that quote relates to the war in Afghanistan.

might not be suitable for the war in Afghanistan. I mean what i wanted to say is that war is always profitable to one side.

[Riddler]

You guys know that there were a lot of people in the house in Pakistan and saw Bin Laden dead. Why would his family who have been deported to Saudi Arabia keep his death quiet?

Also Al Qaeda is heavily invested in martyrdom. That's why we eventually get confirmation from the source itself. They want the death of one of their own to inspire others, this is why they also play up the martydom of their jihadis.


Well... I'm one of the nut jobs that believes Al Qaeda was created by the C.I.A.

It's too bad that people haven't figured this out yet.




"You guys" tend to underestimate the power the U.S. Military/ Government really has when it carries out BLACK OPERATIONS.... so I'm not gonna even debate the issue.



http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2008_Body_of_Lies/008BOL_Alon_Abutbul_003.jpg


I AM C.I.A.???.... LOL


(Can't help but think about that scene in Body of Lies... Where Leo tells this dude that he works for him.)

[KevinNYC]

Well... I'm one of the nut jobs that believes Al Qaeda was created by the C.I.A.

What's your theory that we still control them or they turned on us?

"You guys" tend to underestimate the power the U.S. Military/ Government really has when it carries out BLACK OPERATIONS.... so I'm not gonna even debate the issue.

You seem to vastly, vastly overestimate the competence and the ability to keep a secret of the U.S. Military/Government.

Also you never were really debating, you were just throwing out unproven shit.

[Kews1]

Making claims to sell books. :banana:

[dude77]

yeah .. the most wanted man in the world .. the most wanted fugitive in the history of all wanted fugitives .. the mastermind of the worst terrorist attack ever perpetuated against the United States who's 'been on the run' for 10 yrs .. they finally capture him and what do they do ? .. despite showing all these other captured terrorists(s hussein, sons etc), they don't show him .. instead they cremate him and throw him into the ocean .. how convenient :facepalm .. people are so fkn gullible .. put anything on tv and the masses eat it up as truth no matter how implausible and retarded it may seem

[Riddler]

You seem to vastly, vastly overestimate the competence and the ability to keep a secret of the U.S. Military/Government.

I don't think I do...

The key word is Compartmentalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(information_security))




Also you never were really debating, you were just throwing out unproven shit.

I think I've talked about Bin Laden enough in the past...

If you still want to believe this guy was the mastermind behind 9/11... be my guest.... I think it should be f*cking obvious that he wasn't, but unfortunately alot of people don't see it that way.

http://joequinn.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/fake-bin-laden2.jpg

and I'm suppose to believe that was Bin Laden?... Are you f*cking serious?



http://conspiracytheory2.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/fake-bin-laden1.jpg


This guy too???



But the absolute worst was the video shown to the public on December 13, 2001.

http://www.tabernaculonet.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/fake_bin_laden_wwwtabernaculonetcombr.jpg



:facepalm

[nathanjizzle]

Some people have built up enough trust in our government to believe that they would never lie to us.




December 12, 2001 (In my opinion)

so whats your reasoning to believe that he was dead dec 12 2001 and not the day seal team 6 raided his compound and left quite a scene and a downed helicopter?

is it because the leader of that arab country that was protecting binladen told everyone he was dead in 2001? so you believe the leader of another country that was protecting someone that mass murdered U.S. civilians over our own president.?:hammerhead:

you just want to feel like you have a special way of knowing things over normal people. thats all conspiracy theorists are, they want to feel special.

[nathanjizzle]

http://joequinn.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/fake-bin-laden2.jpg

http://www.tabernaculonet.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/fake_bin_laden_wwwtabernaculonetcombr.jpg



be consistent:facepalm

[East_Stone_Ya]

be consistent:facepalm

and you need to wake up and realize what is happening around you


Obama Seizes Control of All Communications Systems With Executive Order

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/06/executive-order-assignment-national-security-and-emergency-preparedness-

[miller-time]

"You guys" tend to underestimate the power the U.S. Military/ Government really has when it carries out BLACK OPERATIONS.... so I'm not gonna even debate the issue.

yeah because the bay of pigs and watergate were fantastic demonstrations of intelligence and power...

[Godzuki]

Of course there are people who believe the lies put out by the GOP. They always lie because there are a lot of people that will believe them and get scared.

I don't even blame the rich for voting republican. Somewhere along the way they decided they were better than poor people and that the poor don't deserve affordable healthcare. I just don't understand how some of the people who are poor and stand to benefit from healthcare reform vote against it because Obama supports gay marriage or a woman's right to have an abortion.

Some people say they are for an embryo's right to live but they don't have much regard for life after birth.


most people are hypocrites when they have strong convictions about something. its rarely consistent across their entire belief system, at least in my experience.

[Godzuki]

yeah .. the most wanted man in the world .. the most wanted fugitive in the history of all wanted fugitives .. the mastermind of the worst terrorist attack ever perpetuated against the United States who's 'been on the run' for 10 yrs .. they finally capture him and what do they do ? .. despite showing all these other captured terrorists(s hussein, sons etc), they don't show him .. instead they cremate him and throw him into the ocean .. how convenient :facepalm .. people are so fkn gullible .. put anything on tv and the masses eat it up as truth no matter how implausible and retarded it may seem


problem is there is less credibility from the conspiracy theorist sides of things vs the official word. every so often a conspiracy theory may be right, but for the most part they're just grasps at straws. look at how many people swore up and down we invaded Iraq for oil, and many of them were so sure of themselves....its just there will always be people who never believe whats officially stated even if its the truth. people would rather connect dots and assume we're all being lied to constantly which imo doesn't happen as much as conspiracy theorists want people to believe.

[dunksby]

It's probably true, he did not want to commit suicide as it is forbidden in Islam so he had a comrade kill him before SEALs could get to him. I dunno why people doubt this, he went out the way Hitler did, and the fact that Fox News revealed his identity shows that he is telling the truth. I thought identity of SEAL 6 members was top secret and a matter of national security?

[bagelred]

http://www.tabernaculonet.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/fake_bin_laden_wwwtabernaculonetcombr.jpg

:facepalm

:roll: :roll: :roll: It's like our gov't doesn't even TRY anymore. They know the American population is so stupid, they'll accept any lie, even when the truth is right in front of their face. In this case, literally.

And by the way, Bin Laden was reported dead as early as 2001 and it seems the entire world knew he was dead by 2004. Except in America though.

"It only took us 10 years to get him. SUCCESS!!! PARADES!!!!! Trillions of dollars...but we did it!!!!" Woo hoo!!!!!! lol

[-p.tiddy-]

um, Bin Laden had daughters/children in that house the night he died that have confirmed seeing him get shot...

[rufuspaul]

:facepalm Bagelred. It's futile to argue with this dude. He honestly thinks that the government of the United States, an entity that has difficulty performing the even the simplest of tasks, was capable of pulling off the greatest coverup of all time. And we're the ones that need to wake up. :facepalm

[-p.tiddy-]

:facepalm Bagelred. It's futile to argue with this dude. He honestly thinks that the government of the United States, an entity that has difficulty performing the even the simplest of tasks, was capable of pulling off the greatest coverup of all time. And we're the ones that need to wake up. :facepalm
:oldlol: @ the insane amounts of irony there is that it is THEM who are the retarded sheep following fckin YouTube vids made by students and others just looking for attention...

[dude77]

:oldlol: @ the insane amounts of irony there is that it is THEM who are the retarded sheep following fckin YouTube vids made by students and others just looking for attention...

such rich irony in this post :oldlol:

[KingBeasley08]

makes sense. and :oldlol: @ page 2. Is OP part of Obama's campaign trail or something?

[-p.tiddy-]

Bin Laden daughter providing valuable information- Pakistani official (http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=25294)

[Godzuki]

um, Bin Laden had daughters/children in that house the night he died that have confirmed seeing him get shot...


this

just way too many conspiracy theorists these days that think they know everything :facepalm

[-p.tiddy-]

he also had wives/widows in there as well that saw it...and have confirmed it

maybe they are all CIA actors though :lol

[dunksby]

he also had wives/widows in there as well that saw it...and have confirmed it

maybe they are all CIA actors though :lol
That would have been great :roll:

[dude77]

Bin Laden daughter providing valuable information- Pakistani official (http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=25294)

where is her daughter .. show her on camera talking about this .. do you believe everything you see in print .. do you believe everything you're told by the news ? .. the masses are too easy too fool :no:

[-p.tiddy-]

where is her daughter .. show her on camera talking about this .. do you believe everything you see in print .. do you believe everything you're told by the news ? .. the masses are too easy too fool :no:
It is coming from several sources, am I supposed to just believe you instead? :oldlol:

[-p.tiddy-]

It never ends with you conspiracy clowns either...5 years from now his daughter and widows will probably be on some news show talking about that night and you guys will just say they aren't really his kids/wives and are CIA actors and we are fools for buying into it...

no matter what evidence is brought forward, conspiracy clowns always have an answer for it...

[dude77]

It is coming from several sources, am I supposed to just believe you instead? :oldlol:

'it is coming from several sources' .. what sources ? where are these relatives of him .. have they shown them on camera talking ? .. I can say I interviewed so and so and say they said this and that and never show them .. would you believe that ? ..


do you believe everything the media tells you and just take it as gospel ? have you ever questioned anything the news has told you ?

[dude77]

no matter what evidence is brought forward, conspiracy clowns always have an answer for it...

what evidence .. like his body ?

[-p.tiddy-]

'it is coming from several sources' .. what sources ? where are these relatives of him .. have they shown them on camera talking ? .. I can say I interviewed so and so and say they said this and that and never show them .. would you believe that ? ..


do you believe everything the media tells you and just take it as gospel ? have you ever questioned anything the news has told you ?
I believe it when there are several credible sources talking it...

Bin Laden’s Young Daughter Watched Him Die. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/05/bin-ladens-young-daughter-saw-him-killed-does-she-share-his-beliefs/)

^^^ that is TIME magazine...they have more credit than YOU DO

I don't know where his children and widows are right now...maybe you should look into it rather than just assuming they don't exist.

[dude77]

why weren't we shown his body ? .. this is the million dollar mfkn question .. this is the most wanted man in the history of history .. the baddest motherfker around .. this IS the fugitive that you would show to the world .. and they fkn don't ! .. the most anticipated fugitive capture EVER and they don't show him .. wtf is that ? ..

the media has absolutely no problem showing footage of dictators(gaddafi) of other countries being humiliated and executed in public .. showing saddam h being humiliated and executed as well .. showing his dead son's corpses .. but they don't show the man who allegedly caused 9/11 .. the worst incident in U.S. history that 'changed our way of life forever'.. they cremate it and then throw it in the ocean so there no longer exists any verifiable proof that they got him ? .. lol give me a fkn break .. no body no nothing .. they never have to explain anything ever again .. how convenient .. just say we killed him and everyone will follow without questioning anything .. y'all wake the fk up ..

[-p.tiddy-]

what evidence .. like his body ?
ANY evidence

*if* they had his body right now you clowns would just say it isn't really his body...or that they had it for decades now on frozen in ice or something...

they took DNA samples, which you clowns say is FAKE

it never ends with you people, EVERYTHING is a lie to you guys

[bagelred]

"I don't believe anything the gov't tells me. Zero." Start thinking that way and start reading:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc#t=2m05s

[Godzuki]

why weren't we shown his body ? .. this is the million dollar mfkn question .. this is the most wanted man in the history of history .. the baddest motherfker around .. this IS the fugitive that you would show to the world .. and they fkn don't ! .. the most anticipated fugitive capture EVER and they don't show him .. wtf is that ? ..

the media has absolutely no problem showing footage of dictators(gaddafi) of other countries being humiliated and executed in public .. showing saddam h being humiliated and executed as well .. showing his dead son's corpses .. but they don't show the man who allegedly caused 9/11 .. the worst incident in U.S. history that 'changed our way of life forever'.. they cremate it and then throw it in the ocean so there no longer exists any verifiable proof that they got him ? .. lol give me a fkn break .. no body no nothing .. they never have to explain anything ever again .. how convenient .. just say we killed him and everyone will follow without questioning anything .. y'all wake the fk up ..

they did it because he wouldn't be martyr'd if there was no burial site where people could gather and pay respects. Osama was a religious figure head and warrior for fundamentalist muslims and that was one of the bigger issues regarding killing him. they didn't want to make him a hero in his death which would unite/inspire muslim fundamentalists.

it probably worked too since i think if there were a burial site it would have been a very popular place to visit while keeping his memory alive. they also cut out a lot of the BS they'd likely have to deal with from Muslims in terms of burial and other countries asking for the body or whatever.

[magictricked]

So let me get this straight.

There are those that believe Osama died of natural causes in 2001. The Bush administration along with the intelligence community and the misc. terrorist factions covered it up.

The terrorist factions kept it quiet because they must hate martyrdom, why possibly would they want that news to get out when you have so many highly trained troops hunting you down, capturing and killing hundreds of Al Qaeda operatives. Oh because a good game of Hide and Seek always trumps having your entire inter-structure of your organization systematically hunted down and killed. Sure they could have made him the ultimate martyr and lied, said he was killed in the caves of Tora Bora by a big US bomb but that would be lying.

The countries that support the terrorist factions kept it quiet because they love having the US and it's allies bomb the ever loving f*ck out of their countries 24/7. What better excuse than to spruce up the place, "No problem, We were going to knock that city block down anyways"

The Bush administration kept it quiet because they could always pull it out of their hat at election time but for some reason they didn't and now the same political party, the GOP that sat on the info is sitting on it again while the Obama admin. uses a trumped up raid on Osama plan to make hay. Why oh why would the GOP not expose this farce the Obama administration is selling us? They could destroy Obama but they don't.

All the while the Obama cabinet and players dream up this crazy raid on Osama's camp plan when they learned of Bin Laden's death in 2001 and it's subsequent cover up by the Bush Whitehouse. Why not use it against the GOP where the political gain would be tenfold vs the "we got him but we can't really talk about it" story we have now.

No matter how you slice it there's no way Bin Laden died in 2001 because literally every player that could have used it to their advantage left those cards un-played. The only people who have gained from a 2001 Osama death are the conspiracy contingent that use it to draw people to their websites and sell books to the gullible

[-p.tiddy-]

It isn't just the US Gov claiming these things...it is the Pakistani Gov and every other Gov on the planet saying the same things...the only ones claiming BS are a small group of young internet addicted males in the US that got sucked in by some YouTube vid they were shown which for some reason they believe 100% and give 100% cred to and now they think they have it figured out sitting in their suburban home miles and miles away from any of it.

[KevinNYC]

makes sense. and :oldlol: @ page 2. Is OP part of Obama's campaign trail or something?

Love your specificity

[dajadeed]

why weren't we shown his body ? .. this is the million dollar mfkn question .. this is the most wanted man in the history of history .. the baddest motherfker around .. this IS the fugitive that you would show to the world .. and they fkn don't ! .. the most anticipated fugitive capture EVER and they don't show him .. wtf is that ? ..

the media has absolutely no problem showing footage of dictators(gaddafi) of other countries being humiliated and executed in public .. showing saddam h being humiliated and executed as well .. showing his dead son's corpses .. but they don't show the man who allegedly caused 9/11 .. the worst incident in U.S. history that 'changed our way of life forever'.. they cremate it and then throw it in the ocean so there no longer exists any verifiable proof that they got him ? .. lol give me a fkn break .. no body no nothing .. they never have to explain anything ever again .. how convenient .. just say we killed him and everyone will follow without questioning anything .. y'all wake the fk up ..

You have to be the most ignorant son of a bitch on this board.

Who killed Gaddafi? It wasn't the US and it wasn't an American that posted videos of his corpse online.

No Muslim gets cremated, numbnuts. They wanted to quell the outrage from Muslim fanatics by burrying the body ASAP (most Muslims are burried within 48 hours of death, many within 12-24 hours. An ocean burial also means you don't have to worry about creating a site for idiots to want to visit.

Really, the only person who makes the arguments you are making is one who is so out of touch with reality and so ignorant of the world around them that it becomes ****ing sad to read.

I hope you are not reproducing.

[Riley Martin]

this

just way too many conspiracy theorists these days that think they know everything :facepalm

Yep. This.

The funny thing is that I'm sure the actual conspiracies (f you want to call it that.. basically coordinated corruption) going on are the ones that go completely undetected by internet theorists. If these people/organizations are talented, powerful and organized enough to pull off these things on a massive scale, then I doubt they'll be schemes that are easily discovered by a bunch of people watching youtube videos and wearing tinfoil hats.

[dude77]

You have to be the most ignorant son of a bitch on this board.

Who killed Gaddafi? It wasn't the US and it wasn't an American that posted videos of his corpse online.

No Muslim gets cremated, numbnuts. They wanted to quell the outrage from Muslim fanatics by burrying the body ASAP (most Muslims are burried within 48 hours of death, many within 12-24 hours. An ocean burial also means you don't have to worry about creating a site for idiots to want to visit.

Really, the only person who makes the arguments you are making is one who is so out of touch with reality and so ignorant of the world around them that it becomes ****ing sad to read.

I hope you are not reproducing.

your overzealousness to insult only makes your stance look weaker .. calm yourself ..


No Muslim gets cremated, numbnuts. They wanted to quell the outrage from Muslim fanatics by burrying the body ASAP (most Muslims are burried within 48 hours of death, many within 12-24 hours. An ocean burial also means you don't have to worry about creating a site for idiots to want to visit

:oldlol: so now all of a sudden the U.S. is concerned with 'quelling outrage from Muslims' after they've invaded two muslim countries and raped and pillaged both ?? .. wtf ? .. jesus christ man .. think a little before writing stupid shit like that ..

and there have been other reports that he was cremated .. which fictional tale to believe huh ? tough call .. :hammerhead: ..

there was no reason not to show his corpse to the american public .. they never did it .. it's been a year .. get your head out of your ass and think for yourself instead of believing everything you're told by the news

[dajadeed]

Yep. This.

The funny thing is that I'm sure the actual conspiracies (f you want to call it that.. basically coordinated corruption) going on are the ones that go completely undetected by internet theorists. If these people/organizations are talented, powerful and organized enough to pull off these things on a massive scale, then I doubt they'll be schemes that are easily discovered by a bunch of people watching youtube videos and wearing tinfoil hats.


This one takes the cake because we aren't talkin about Jimmy Hoffa, this is a Middle Eastern dude who we couldn't even find! Not only does the American public have to buy it, but the entire world as well.

Just a ridiculous thought that anyone with a functioning brain would just laugh at.

As for the actual part about his own people killing him once they realized it was over... Yeah, that seems plausible.

[dajadeed]

your overzealousness to insult only makes your stance look weaker .. calm yourself ..



:oldlol: so now all of a sudden the U.S. is concerned with 'quelling outrage from Muslims' after they've invaded two muslim countries and raped and pillaged both ?? .. wtf ? .. jesus christ man .. think a little before writing stupid shit like that ..

and there have been other reports that he was cremated .. which fictional tale to believe huh ? tough call .. :hammerhead: ..

there was no reason not to show his corpse to the american public .. they never did it .. it's been a year .. get your head out of your ass and think for yourself instead of believing everything you're told by the news

The majority of Muslims don't live in the Middle East. It's just common knowledge and something civilized countries do. He's dead, no need to take pictures and disrespect (perception or not) his religious customs in death.

Not only that, but it brings the issue to an absolute end. Not only did we kill Bin Laden, but he has already been burried. This sort of thing CANNOT be a bluff or a cover-up.

They go this route because they know the only feathers it would ruffle are those of wackos who have no concept of the world around them anyways.

They did show his corpse to selected members of congress on both sides, fwiw.

[dajadeed]

No Muslim is cremated, period. Anyone who published that is an idiot as is anyone who even thinks it might be true.

[Scoooter]

Honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had his body in a secret underground freezer somewhere. Like Independence Day.

That's what I would do. **** throwing it in the ocean, I'm keeping a souvenir.

[dude77]

No Muslim is cremated, period. Anyone who published that is an idiot as is anyone who even thinks it might be true.

so basically anything YOU hear from the news is factual as long as you say it is and anyone who thinks otherwise 'shouldn't reproduce' .. but if someone else hears something on the news and they think it's factual, they're idiots because you don't think it's factual ? .. :applause: you're on a roll .. keep 'em coming ..


this guy was a wanted MASS MURDERER .. his 'muslim rights' don't mean jack shit .. and don't tell me the u.s. gives a flying fk about muslim outrage or muslim rights when they invaded, occupied and raped 2 muslim countries

[boozehound]

wonder what will happen to this fool for no going through the proper steps to secure military approval for this book.

[KevinNYC]

ABC is reporting a different account (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/seal-book-describes-grisly-death-osama-bin-laden/story?id=17105447#.UD5oJKD68e4) of what the book says


In the book, the author said he was right behind the "point man" who first shot bin Laden after the al Qaeda leader poked his head out of a doorway on one of the upper floors of the complex in Abbottabad, Pakistan. At the time, it wasn't immediately clear if those shots had connected.

AP is reporting this way (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gNgVmayw0w6D5LcmwJx9Rs_dqihQ?docId=aae296278 6b44e13b1ad8d596f6cb4b6) too. I think we can safely say the Huffington Post in the haste to break the story, misread the book.

AP is also using the SEAL's name.


Beyond such embarrassing observations, U.S. officials fear the book may include classified information, as it did not undergo the formal review required by the Pentagon for works published by former or current Defense Department employees.

Officials from the Pentagon and the CIA, which commanded the mission, are examining the manuscript for possible disclosure of classified information and could take legal action against the author.

In a statement provided to The Associated Press, the author says he does "not disclose confidential or sensitive information that would compromise national security in any way."

[HIS] real name was first revealed by Fox News and confirmed to The Associated Press.

Jihadists on al-Qaida websites have posted purported photos of the author, calling for his murder.

[KevinNYC]

The Daily Beast on differences from the book to the initial account.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/29/seals-book-on-raid-to-kill-osama-contradicts-administration-s-version-in-several-key-spots.html

[dajadeed]

so basically anything YOU hear from the news is factual as long as you say it is and anyone who thinks otherwise 'shouldn't reproduce' .. but if someone else hears something on the news and they think it's factual, they're idiots because you don't think it's factual ? .. :applause: you're on a roll .. keep 'em coming ..


this guy was a wanted MASS MURDERER .. his 'muslim rights' don't mean jack shit .. and don't tell me the u.s. gives a flying fk about muslim outrage or muslim rights when they invaded, occupied and raped 2 muslim countries

Like I said, I hope your ignorant behind is not reproducing. What I and everyone with a functioning brain have heard is news. The news is that Bin Ladin was killed. It's not a theory, it's not something only believed by a few people, it is accepted worldwide as fact.

What you are referring to is not "news." It's a ****ing batshit crazy conspiracy theory which even a grade school kid would find unbelievable.

Sit for a second and think of how stupid it is to think he had been dead since 2001. You're telling me everyone in the world is in on this conspiracy theory? Do you understand how dense you have to be to even think something like that is possible?

:oldlol:

I love ISH and the internet for exactly this reason. It makes you realize just how stupid people can be.

[dude77]

Like I said, I hope your ignorant behind is not reproducing. What I and everyone with a functioning brain have heard is news. The news is that Bin Ladin was killed. It's not a theory, it's not something only believed by a few people, it is accepted worldwide as fact.

What you are referring to is not "news." It's a ****ing batshit crazy conspiracy theory which even a grade school kid would find unbelievable.

Sit for a second and think of how stupid it is to think he had been dead since 2001. You're telling me everyone in the world is in on this conspiracy theory? Do you understand how dense you have to be to even think something like that is possible?

:oldlol:

I love ISH and the internet for exactly this reason. It makes you realize just how stupid people can be.

listen to your sheep thought process .. 'it's accepted so it must be truth' .. lol .. you're exactly what they want .. you don't think for yourself or question anything .. daja's motto: 'if the news says that it has to be fact' .. :hammerhead:


I'm not talking about 2001 .. I'm questioning this story from last year .. of course you have no rebuttal for calling out your utterly stupid reasoning about 'quelling muslim outrage' .. utterly laughable that was, as have been your posts ..

capture the most wanted man in the world and you don't show his corpse ..

sheeple reasoning: because they didn't want to outrage muslims even though they went and invaded, raped and pillaged two muslim countries :hammerhead:

[dajadeed]

listen to your sheep thought process .. 'it's accepted so it must be truth' .. lol .. you're exactly what they want .. you don't think for yourself or question anything .. daja's motto: 'if the news says that it has to be fact' .. :hammerhead:


I'm not talking about 2001 .. I'm questioning this story from last year .. of course you have no rebuttal for calling out your utterly stupid reasoning about 'quelling muslim outrage' .. utterly laughable that was, as have been your posts .. you're the perfect sheep

:facepalm

So what don't you believe about the story from last year? We didn't really kill Bin Laden? And you believe that because you never saw the body? This is the same line of reasoning of Birthers. If you were one of the selected congressmen who had the chance to see a photo of the corpse would you just then take to calling them doctored?

Again, knowing the logistics and countries involved and magnitude of this whole ordeal, you think it's plausible that the whole raid thing was a hoax?

GET THE **** OUTTA HERE.

This is way dumber than the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. You have to believe that not only is the US government pulling off a massively difficult hoax, but is getting international support in pulling it off from countries that have been the US's enemies for decades.

I would ask you to sit back and think of how stupid you sound, but apparently that's asking too much.

As they say, ignorance is bliss.

[dude77]

So what don't you believe about the story from last year? We didn't really kill Bin Laden? And you believe that because you never saw the body?

yeah .. that's exactly what I believe .. how the fk do you explain why they wouldn't show us his body ? .. this, the most wanted man in the HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES .. someone that all american citizens absolutely wanted to see post capture .. you already struck out once .. what's your next made up excuse ?

you act as if the u.s. government is incapable of covering something up when they have been caught in countless lies and cover ups

[dajadeed]

yeah .. that's exactly what I believe .. how the fk do you explain why they wouldn't show us his body ? .. this, the most wanted man in the HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES .. someone that all american citizens absolutely wanted to see post capture .. you already struck out once .. what's your next made up excuse ?

you act as if the u.s. government is incapable of covering something up when they have been caught in countless lies and cover ups

Because the United Stated government doesn't need your ignorant ass to confirm it has killed Bin Laden, that's why they didn't give a **** if you saw the picture or not. Clear enough for you?

And again, this part about the US being caught in countless lies and cover ups is you showing just how dense you really are. This isn't a domestic issue. This isn't the government bringing crack to the inner cities or any other sort of thing that is done to deceive just the US public, like even your little pea brain was able to figure out, this was one of the most wanted figures in world history.

So not only would it have to be a domestic operation, but the US would have to have help from people that clearly hate the US in pulling this off.

It takes stupidity of epic proportions to believe a hoax like that can be pulled off.

[dude77]

Because the United Stated government doesn't need your ignorant ass to confirm it has killed Bin Laden, that's why they didn't give a **** if you saw the picture or not. Clear enough for you?

And again, this part about the US being caught in countless lies and cover ups is you showing just how dense you really are. This isn't a domestic issue. This isn't the government bringing crack to the inner cities or any other sort of thing that is done to deceive just the US public, like even your little pea brain was able to figure out, this was one of the most wanted figures in world history.

So not only would it have to be a domestic operation, but the US would have to have help from people that clearly hate the US in pulling this off.

It takes stupidity of epic proportions to believe a hoax like that can be pulled off.

they've been caught in cover ups and lies internationally you fkwit .. the u.s is well known for operating illegally in different facets all over the damn world ..

this is the same country that defied the congress and the un and invaded iraq and occuped it and raped it .. the us does shit on their own terms .. the pakistanis themselves have admitted that they didn't know b laden was right in their backyard .. that's probably because he wasn't :hammerhead: .. they u.s. military stages an operation and then say they 'caught bin laden' .. broadcast it to everyone and dumb drone-minded chumps like you eat it up ..

wtf is this daughter of his who they claim says she saw him get shot .. we've never even seen her ..

where's this wife of his they claim said she was there and saw everything etc etc .. we've never seen her .. and we've never seen her speak to anyone .. all we have is hearsay from the news ..

it's amazing that people would take accounts like that at face value and not question it .. the brainwashing and programming runs deep ..

and lastly, wtf is his body ? .. nowhere because there is none ..

next they'll make up some dramatic, feel good story about an uncle and say he was there and he heard bin laden whisper his last words .. they'll print it on some news site or paper and sheep like you will eat it up like gospel .. pathetic man .. open your eyes and stop being a sheep with no mind of your own ..

you're probably one of these idiots who thinks reality tv is 'real'

[KingBeasley08]

dude77's gotta be one of the dumbest posters on ISH.. and thats saying something :oldlol:

[Jello]

Are we supposed to embalm the body for dude77's inspection or does dude77 want a picture that many of the same unbelievers will say is photoshopped?

[KevinNYC]

The author "Mark Owen" is going on 60 mins Sunday says politics not a motivation for the book.


A retired Navy SEAL who was present at the killing of Osama bin Laden tells Scott Pelley in a 60 Minutes interview that his book about the raid is not a political statement, rather it is timed to commemorate the 9/11 attack and give credit to the hundreds of people whose work made the mission a success........

Owen's book was to be released on the anniversary of 9/11, but the release has been moved up to next week. There's been criticism that the book is timed to influence the election.

Mark Owen: My worry from the beginning is, you know, it's a political season. This book is not political whatsoever. It doesn't bad mouth either party, and we specifically chose September 11th to keep it out of the politics. You know, if these-- crazies on either side of the aisle want to make it political, shame on them. This is a book about September 11th, and it needs to rest on September 11th. Not be brought into the political arena, because this-- this has nothing to do with politics.

[dude77]

dude77's gotta be one of the dumbest posters on ISH.. and thats saying something :oldlol:

:hammerhead: believing and taking everything the news tells you at face value is what makes you dumb and a sheep

[dajadeed]

they've been caught in cover ups and lies internationally you fkwit .. the u.s is well known for operating illegally in different facets all over the damn world ..

this is the same country that defied the congress and the un and invaded iraq and occuped it and raped it .. the us does shit on their own terms .. the pakistanis themselves have admitted that they didn't know b laden was right in their backyard .. that's probably because he wasn't :hammerhead: .. they u.s. military stages an operation and then say they 'caught bin laden' .. broadcast it to everyone and dumb drone-minded chumps like you eat it up ..

wtf is this daughter of his who they claim says she saw him get shot .. we've never even seen her ..

where's this wife of his they claim said she was there and saw everything etc etc .. we've never seen her .. and we've never seen her speak to anyone .. all we have is hearsay from the news ..

it's amazing that people would take accounts like that at face value and not question it .. the brainwashing and programming runs deep ..

and lastly, wtf is his body ? .. nowhere because there is none ..

next they'll make up some dramatic, feel good story about an uncle and say he was there and he heard bin laden whisper his last words .. they'll print it on some news site or paper and sheep like you will eat it up like gospel .. pathetic man .. open your eyes and stop being a sheep with no mind of your own ..

you're probably one of these idiots who thinks reality tv is 'real'

You are the worst kind of ignorant pea-brained retard. Not only are you willfully ignorant of the world around you, but you somehow think you're more enlightened than others.

Pakistan said they didn't know Bin Laden was in their backyard? Well NO SHIT, Sherlock. WTF do you expect them to say? Oh, yeah he was here, **** you? Of course their official line is that they didn't know about him.

What happened to the doctor that was working for the US who set up a vaccination outfit in the neighborhood on the off chance one of Bin Laden's kids would be vaccinated thus confirming he lived there? Research that, you dipshit.

You want Bin Laden's daughter or wife or kids to do a ****ing interview with the American media? You should be slapped silly for even saying that. This is just beyond ****ing stupid.

And your constant questioning of where the body is should be enough to deem you clinically retarded. There is no ****ing body anymore. The story of where the body is makes perfect sense to everyone except ignorant idiots like you. Do some research on Islam and burial rituals and what not to see how big of an ass you have been making of yourself.

They didn't get rid of it in accordance with Islamic laws (in which a quick burial is very important) to appease him or his family you stupid ****, they did it to show that the US is a civilized country that still respects the basic dignity of a corpse. Not to mention that it kills two birds with 1 stone for the US, by not creating a site where people can see Bin Laden's body.

Only a ****ing idiot would think the entire world was in on a hoax created by the US government, and spanning two completely different administrations.

You should be banned for being a ****ing idiot.

[DFish]

dude77's gotta be one of the dumbest posters on ISH.. and thats saying something :oldlol:

I can't decide if dude77 is a pro troll or a pro retard.

[miller-time]

Yep. This.

The funny thing is that I'm sure the actual conspiracies (f you want to call it that.. basically coordinated corruption) going on are the ones that go completely undetected by internet theorists. If these people/organizations are talented, powerful and organized enough to pull off these things on a massive scale, then I doubt they'll be schemes that are easily discovered by a bunch of people watching youtube videos and wearing tinfoil hats.

i agree with this. they are wasting time and resources chasing non-existent boogeymen while they could be using them to call out the actual villains. the people who were too incompetent to respond to the threats, the people who may have even allowed the attacks to take place (but not orchestrated them - there's a difference), the people who are profiting off of the war(s), the people who are abusing tax loopholes or not paying taxes entirely etc.

the problem is that going after the real villains is lackluster. the information is all in the details, not in ominous sounding youtube videos that repeat the same 5 seconds of pixelated footage. it is too easy to say "don't believe anything the government tells you." it is much harder to say "the government is a complex tapestry of bureaucracy and individuals and some of what they tell you is true, some is withheld, and some is lies usually backed by lobbyists - get an education and evaluate each claim on its own merit."

also if a person accepts one conspiracy theory it is probable they will accept more of them, in fact they are very highly correlated. does this mean that conspiracies are more prevalent than we realize or does it mean that conspiracy theorists are more susceptible to counter-culture thinking and false pattern recognition. maybe both, maybe neither, just food for thought.

[dude77]

You want Bin Laden's daughter or wife or kids to do a ****ing interview with the American media? You should be slapped silly for even saying that. This is just beyond ****ing stupid.

no one called for interviews you stupid fkn c unt .. but to just take reports about what they said as fact is garbage .. you can tell you're a gullible fggt just by the fact that you take this hearsay at face value ..

I can tell you're the type of weakminded fggt that just goes with anything you're told and you don't question anything .. you're a good little bitch ..


There is no body

finally got something right


and here is where you lose all credibility again :



The story of where the body is makes perfect sense to everyone except ignorant idiots like you. Do some research on Islam and burial rituals and what not to see how big of an ass you have been making of yourself.

They didn't get rid of it in accordance with Islamic laws (in which a quick burial is very important) to appease him or his family you stupid ****, they did it to show that the US is a civilized country that still respects the basic dignity of a corpse

are you fkn retarded ?

the u.s. doesn't give a fk about islamic law you stupid fk .. again .. the u.s. doesn't give a fk about islamic law .. did you read that ? do you need to see it again you dumb smelly c unt ? .. do you know how to read you fkn moron .. look again >>>the United States doesn't give a fk about islamic law .. how the fk are you going to say that they were following islamic law after the u.s. has invaded iraq and afghanistan and shit on both countries .. you're a fkn troll

[KingBeasley08]

Bin Laden's wives were there you idiot. Pakistan even detained them for a while for being there illegal. Lemme guess, Pakistan is secretly controlled by the USA. All the info they put it out is just what we tell them do :rolleyes:

[dajadeed]

no one called for interviews you stupid fkn c unt .. but to just take reports about what they said as fact is garbage .. you can tell you're a gullible fggt just by the fact that you take this hearsay at face value ..

I can tell you're the type of weakminded fggt that just goes with anything you're told and you don't question anything .. you're a good little bitch ..



finally got something right


and here is where you lose all credibility again :




are you fkn retarded ?

the u.s. doesn't give a fk about islamic law you stupid fk .. again .. the u.s. doesn't give a fk about islamic law .. did you read that ? do you need to see it again you dumb smelly c unt ? .. do you know how to read you fkn moron .. look again >>>the United States doesn't give a fk about islamic law .. how the fk are you going to say that they were following islamic law after the u.s. has invaded iraq and afghanistan and shit on both countries .. you're a fkn troll

The fact that you don't think the US gives a **** about Islam doesn't negate the FACT that they still disposed of his body in accordance with Islamic law.

You are apparently too dumb to understand that simple point.

Keep on believing you're right and the entire world is wrong :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Does anyone really need to be remind that he died on Obama's watch? Do any people who like Obama or hate Obama not know that?


He died in the "papers" under Obama's watch. Don't be so gullible

[DeuceWallaces]

This is swift boat all over again.

[General]

No mention of Osama Bin Laden by any of the Neocons last night(McCain, Condoleeza Rice), that was a surprise:rolleyes: Anything to avoid giving Obama any credit.

[KevinNYC]

I don't think the book is connected the swiftboating seals.

[DeuceWallaces]

I don't think the book is connected the swiftboating seals.

Lol, where's the over your head smiley.

[KevinNYC]

Lol, where's the over your head smiley.
You're really determined to live up to your reputation as DoucheWallace, aren't you?

[DeuceWallaces]

Rather be a douche than an idiot.

[KevinNYC]

Rather be a douche than an idiot.
You're halfway there, buddy.

[Norcaliblunt]

PRE-9/11 PREPARATION AND DEVELOPMENT

Drill

Date

Scenario

1 NORAD Between 1991 and 2001 Foreign hijacked airliner crashing into famous US building

2 White House, Richard Clarke 1998 Terrorists load Lear Jet with explosive, attack Washington DC

3 NORAD 1999-2001 Hijacked aircraft hit many targets, including WTC, MASCAL

4 Able Danger: DIA, US-SOCOM, LIWA Dec. 1999-2001 Manipulate al Qaeda; data mining (patsy control)

5 Stratus Ivy: DIA Dec. 1999-2001 (?) Operate on patsies

[TheMan]

where is her daughter .. show her on camera talking about this .. do you believe everything you see in print .. do you believe everything you're told by the news ? .. the masses are too easy too fool :no:
Oh boy, another Alex Jones fan:facepalm

[nathanjizzle]

this is how illogical conspiracy theorists are. they want to believe things that are far fetched with no proof, but yet believe headlines like these without a problem, when obviously who ever is putting out this possible falsified information is only doing it to sell books.

[DeuceWallaces]

You're halfway there, buddy.

Well you're all the way there considering you can't understand the parallels between the two scenarios. Actually, you didn't get the comment at all and had a totally asinine response. You basically went full retard for someone who tries to come off as having some political sense.

[magictricked]

Washington (CNN) -- The Pentagon general counsel threatened legal action Thursday against a former Navy SEAL who wrote a revealing book about last year's Osama bin Laden raid, warning him he has violated secrecy agreements and broken federal law.
In a letter addressed to "Mark Owen," the pen name of book author Matt Bissonnette, General Counsel Jeh Charles Johnson wrote the Pentagon is considering pursuing "all remedies legally available" against the former SEAL and his publisher, Penguin Putnam.
"In the judgment of the Department of Defense, you are in material breach and violation of the nondisclosure agreements you signed. Further public dissemination of your book will aggravate your breach and violation of your agreements," Johnson wrote.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/world/asia/us-seal-book-bin-laden/index.html?hpt=wo_c1

[Jakeh008]

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