Dwyane Wade vs Allen Iverson

[Heavincent]

Enough with that West vs Wade shit. Wade isn't even on West's level.

This is a little closer however. I'll take Iverson though.

[b1imtf]

Wade

[Young X]

Wade

[G-Funk]

Allen Iverson, He actually has a MVP

[RRR3]

I don't remember AI as well as I'd like but I think Wade is the answer here. Both great, great players though.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Allen Iverson, He actually has a MVP


I would rather have the Finals MVP.

And to answer the OP, the answer is Wade. Its honestly not even that close.

[StateOfMind12]

Wade for peak, prime, career, and franchise. Not a difficult question.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Iverson, dude is severly underated on here

[longtime lurker]

Iverson although I can see why a lot of people would pick Wade.

[Rasheed1]

Even though AI is one of my favorite players, I have to give the edge to D wade..

AI was a better scorer than Wade, but Wade is a bit bigger and plays under more control than AI did.

If AI could have made himself into more of a playmaker during his career, he would still be valuable to some team in this league and he would have a roster spot.

[fpliii]

Wade by a substantial margin

AI was a baller, one of the best volume scorers pound-for-pound in league history, but cmon now

Wade gets severely disrespected on this site

[SilkkTheShocker]

Iverson, dude is severly underated on here

More likely you're just severely r.etarded. Everything you say is wrong.

[StateOfMind12]

So far everyone who has picked Iverson is affiliated with the Lakers or Kobe. :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

So far everyone who has picked Iverson is affiliated with the Lakers or Kobe. :oldlol:

Why are you so obsessed with Kobe? You're always bringing him up in completely unrelated threads.

Kind of creepy.

[StateOfMind12]

Why are you so obsessed with Kobe? You're always bringing him up in completely unrelated threads.

Kind of creepy.
I didn't bring him up. I talked about his fans and fans of his teams. He is not really related.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Why are you so obsessed with Kobe? You're always bringing him up in completely unrelated threads.

Kind of creepy.


No offense, but you really shouldn't talking. There is no doubt in my mind you would've traded places with Kate Faber that night in Colorado.

[Lil-Wild]

Wade because refs..

[Heavincent]

No offense, but you really shouldn't talking. There is no doubt in my mind you would've traded places with Kate Faber that night in Colorado.

Ha.

[raid09]

Player? Career? Both Wade.

This is almost a worse comparison than West vs. Wade, who I think are much closer in terms of basketball ability.

To me, Wade was just a flat out better player than Iverson. It's a shame Wade couldn't sustain his absolutely elite play for longer stretches... but it's not like Iverson has the career accolades to say he had a better career than Wade, who's just better at basketball offensively and defensively.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Iverson vs. Marbury would have been a better debate.

[Heavincent]

Iverson vs. Marbury would have been a better debate.

Not really. Marbury was a bum.

[Sampsonsimpson]

Allen Iverson is one of my favorite players of all time but I think id give a slight edge to Wade. He is a more efficient scorer than Iverson although Iverson scored more. Also Wade's size allows him to be more of a factor on defense although Allen Iverson is one of the GOAT at stealing the ball.

[Donnybrook]

I don't remember AI as well as I'd like but I think Wade is the answer here. Both great, great players though.

Why can't everyone on this forum post like this guy?

Seemingly humble, objective, and still adds substance to the discussion.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Jolokia]

Iverson vs Drexler

[DStebb716]

Iverson, dude is severly underated on here

This. I can't believe how forgotten AI is on here, and how disrespected. Dude is better than Wade, period. Anybody saying it's not close are the idiots who watch one team and don't pay attention because no matter which side you go with, it's at least debatable.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why can't everyone on this forum post like this guy?

Seemingly humble, objective, and still adds substance to the discussion.

:applause: :applause: :applause:


:biggums:

[raid09]

This. I can't believe how forgotten AI is on here, and how disrespected. Dude is better than Wade, period. Anybody saying it's not close are the idiots who watch one team and don't pay attention because no matter which side you go with, it's at least debatable.

"I'm right and you're wrong and if you disagree with me you're an idiot." Good argument. :applause:

[LamarOdom]

Wade all day of the week, in terms of peak play Wade >>>> AI.

[LamarOdom]

Why can't everyone on this forum post like this guy?

Seemingly humble, objective, and still adds substance to the discussion.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

One of the biggest homers on Insidehoops.:facepalm

[Smoke117]

Wade, easily.

[DStebb716]

"I'm right and you're wrong and if you disagree with me you're an idiot." Good argument. :applause:

"I'm illiterate and can't interpret the words in front of me." Good work :applause:


I'm not saying anybody is an idiot for disagreeing. I'm saying anybody that says it's not close is an idiot. There is a debate either way, and I can see why people say Wade. But to say there's no argument is to ignore the facts.

[coin24]

This. I can't believe how forgotten AI is on here, and how disrespected. Dude is better than Wade, period. Anybody saying it's not close are the idiots who watch one team and don't pay attention because no matter which side you go with, it's at least debatable.


He's not forgotten by those who actually watched him play.. Half of the retards on here only started watching ball after the decision, or while lebron was popular on the cavs. They're heat fans now btw:cheers:

Stat and efficiency nerds are the worst fans in spots. Fu*king losers seriously. How about actually watching and enjoying the games...

[pegasus]

One of the biggest homers on Insidehoops.:facepalm

This. That triple retard adds nothing but childish antics to every discussion he gets into.

[Bigsmoke]

nostalgia at its finest to whoever picking Iverson and his 28 shots a game seasons to get 31 ppg.

[Vertical-24]

He's not forgotten by those who actually watched him play.. Half of the retards on here only started watching ball after the decision, or while lebron was popular on the cavs. They're heat fans now btw:cheers:

Stat and efficiency nerds are the worst fans in spots. Fu*king losers seriously. How about actually watching and enjoying the games...

LOL I'm actually convinced that a lot of posters in ISH don't even watch actual games and just look at box scores, and pretend to be actual knowledgeable basketball fans. Basketball-Reference geeks :oldlol:

[Remix]

nostalgia at its finest to whoever picking Iverson and his 28 shots a game seasons to get 31 ppg.
Considering he had a lot of help from his teammates to create better looks for himself. Dude had the whole defenses attention from the first whistle to the last buzzer. Who was the best player he played with in Philly? Eric Snow? :roll:

[Bigsmoke]

Considering he had a lot of help from his teammates to create better looks for himself. Dude had the whole defenses attention from the first whistle to the last buzzer. Who was the best player he played with in Philly? Eric Snow? :roll:

Iverson had Melo and Camby at the age Wade is right now.

Wade's 2009 and 2010 Heat teams were even worse than Iverson's Sixers but yet Wade didnt shoot nearly as bad.

[LikeABosh]

Overall scoring- Wade>Iverson
Rebounding- Wade>>Iverson
Passing- Wade>Iverson
blocks- Wade>>>>Iverson
overall defense- Wade>>Iverson
Wade's best season>>Iverson's best
Wade has 2 championships, Finals MVP and overall much more success in the playoffs. Iverson was high volume scorer. Under sized and a chucker.
Wade is becoming really underrated on this site.

[LikeABosh]

Considering he had a lot of help from his teammates to create better looks for himself. Dude had the whole defenses attention from the first whistle to the last buzzer. Who was the best player he played with in Philly? Eric Snow? :roll:
Who was Wade's best player when he scored 30 per game on 50% shooting along with 7.5 assists and 5.5 rebounds?

[Kurosawa0]

Iverson was the better scorer, but Wade literally does everything else better. I would take Wade 10 times out 10.

[coin24]

LOL I'm actually convinced that a lot of posters in ISH don't even watch actual games and just look at box scores, and pretend to be actual knowledgeable basketball fans. Basketball-Reference geeks :oldlol:

:lol :lol sounds about right to me..

[lilgodfather1]

Wade is literally better at everything than AI was. I almost said AI was a better scorer, but then I saw his percentage from the field and laughed.

[KingBeasley08]

Iverson was the better scorer, but Wade literally does everything else better. I would take Wade 10 times out 10.
this..

[che guevara]

Iverson was the better scorer, but Wade literally does everything else better. I would take Wade 10 times out 10.
Iverson is only a better scorer if you're fascinated with volume PPG and completely ignore efficiency, shot selection and consistency. Wade's 30 on 49% FG was a better scoring season than Iverson ever had.

[Sampsonsimpson]

Overall scoring- Wade>Iverson
Rebounding- Wade>>Iverson
Passing- Wade>Iverson
blocks- Wade>>>>Iverson
overall defense- Wade>>Iverson
Wade's best season>>Iverson's best
Wade has 2 championships, Finals MVP and overall much more success in the playoffs. Iverson was high volume scorer. Under sized and a chucker.
Wade is becoming really underrated on this site.


Gotta disagree about the passing. Id give Iverson an edge in the passing department over Wade

[AlonzoGOAT]

Wade.

Iverson was a chucker and loser deal with it :pimp:

[DaHeezy]

Wade.

Iverson was a chucker and loser deal with it :pimp:

I'd rather have a chucker with heart and wins games over a cry baby with a bum for a kidney

[Papaya Petee]

I'd rather have a chucker with heart and wins games over a cry baby with a bum for a kidney
:roll: Wins games yet Wade is a 2x champion and a gold medalist? Okay!

[Tking714]

Iverson single handedly wrecked teams. Dude would drop 40 like it was 15. Wade struggles for 30 and is NOT a better scorer than Ivo. I don't get people saying "Easily" or "No question" like he's a scrub. He was unfortunate enough to run into the Lakers every good postseason he had. Wade has never seen Kobe/Pau or Kobe/Shaq in the postseason, and if he did better believe his knee will start aching.

[Papaya Petee]

Iverson single handedly wrecked teams. Dude would drop 40 like it was 15. Wade struggles for 30 and is NOT a better scorer than Ivo. I don't get people saying "Easily" or "No question" like he's a scrub. He was unfortunate enough to run into the Lakers every good postseason he had. Wade has never seen Kobe/Pau or Kobe/Shaq in the postseason, and if he did better believe his knee will start aching.
Another poster talking out of his ass. Wade had the worst season of his career this year and was playing on bad knees. Any other season Wade was dropping 35-40 like it's 15. He's a much more efficient scorer then Iverson, and it's not even arguable. In terms of efficiency, Iverson doesn't compare to Wade.

Run into the Lakers "every" good postseason he had? He went to the finals ONCE in his career so what in the world are you rambling about? He was bounced first or second round any other year by teams like Nets or Pistons, etc. etc.

[tmacattack33]

Wade.

Pretty easily. Anyone who says otherwise... we should severely question your bball knowledge.

It's a debate on the offensive side of the game. And i'd go with Wade slightly there....more efficient, slightly better passer even though i think iverson's passing was underrated.

Defensively, it is no debate. Iverson was not good at all, often times a liability. Wade was one of the best defenders in the league.

And i haven't even mentioned rebounding yet which is clearly Wade's advantage.

[DaHeezy]

:roll: Wins games yet Wade is a 2x champion and a gold medalist? Okay!

I was quoting AlonzoGoat and referring to Alonzo, way to be perceptive...:applause:

[tmacattack33]

Iverson single handedly wrecked teams. Dude would drop 40 like it was 15. Wade struggles for 30 and is NOT a better scorer than Ivo. I don't get people saying "Easily" or "No question" like he's a scrub. He was unfortunate enough to run into the Lakers every good postseason he had. Wade has never seen Kobe/Pau or Kobe/Shaq in the postseason, and if he did better believe his knee will start aching.

Wade could get 30 on great efficiency.

Iverson could get 30 on 42% FG.


So, you tell me which one struggled to get 30.

[kurple]

So far everyone who has picked Iverson is affiliated with the Lakers or Kobe. :oldlol:
Iverson

All day, every day

[kurple]

:roll: Wins games yet Wade is a 2x champion and a gold medalist? Okay!
why do people use gold medalist to prove a point.. Like AI hadn't won gold with that team

or with prime Lebron and Bosh for that matter

or if the refs gifted him the lakers series

[Bigsmoke]

why do people use gold medalist to prove a point.. Like AI hadn't won gold with that team

or with prime Lebron and Bosh for that matter

or if the refs gifted him the lakers series

nice avatar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27HVvRUMy7E)

:pimp:

[raprap]

Wade>Iverson




And I love AI.:bowdown:

[kurple]

you gotta love some real hip-hop

illmatic is my alltime favorite album

check this boy out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVYHoL7m6CA

[Papaya Petee]

why do people use gold medalist to prove a point.. Like AI hadn't won gold with that team

or with prime Lebron and Bosh for that matter

or if the refs gifted him the lakers series
Iverson actually lead a team to a bronze medal.

Okay then, how do you explain Wade dominating in 2005-2006 and winning a ring? Something Iverson couldn't do.

Ref excuse again? Oh ok.

[B-Low]

Gotta go with AI

[Bigsmoke]

you gotta love some real hip-hop

illmatic is my alltime favorite album

check this boy out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVYHoL7m6CA

take some praise

[RRR3]

This. That triple retard adds nothing but childish antics to every discussion he gets into.
Says the creep who spends all his time PMSing about LeBron James and the fact he can't stand how good LBJ is:rolleyes:

[kurple]

Iverson actually lead a team to a bronze medal.

Okay then, how do you explain Wade dominating in 2005-2006 and winning a ring? Something Iverson couldn't do.

Ref excuse again? Oh ok.
i'm neutral and you're not.. everyone knows you're a wade fan boy.

how can I take your opinion on Wade vs another player seriously when knowing this?

[Tking714]

Another poster talking out of his ass. Wade had the worst season of his career this year and was playing on bad knees. Any other season Wade was dropping 35-40 like it's 15. He's a much more efficient scorer then Iverson, and it's not even arguable. In terms of efficiency, Iverson doesn't compare to Wade.

Run into the Lakers "every" good postseason he had? He went to the finals ONCE in his career so what in the world are you rambling about? He was bounced first or second round any other year by teams like Nets or Pistons, etc. etc.

Yes "every" good postseason he had. When he had Melo and Camby like another poster said, he was unfortunate enough to run into the 3 time WCF/repeat lakers with a still athletic Kobe. AFTER he leaves the nuggets is when Melo gets a haircut, got his fat ass in shape and ran into those same Lakers again. 2001? Yeah he was an "inefficient chucker." His only fault that year was not being born with the size to gaurd peak Shaq. Who that year can be argued as the best player to ever sniff a basketball. His teammates sure didn't wanna gaurd him.

I don't know if I can take you serious when you say teams "like" Nets or Pistons... You mean the 04 Pistons. One of the greatest finals teams of all time. Yeah. And the Nets were not bad with Kidd, Vince, and RJ. It's not like he was facing recent memory Nets.

Wade's 08-09 season was great, yes. I didn't say it wasn't. And I for damn sure didn't say Wade wasn't good. But he's been lucky enough to play with the best players in the league. Heat Shaq was still top 5 in the league, and if he wasn't he for sure was the best Center in the league. And then this year's Lebron. If Wade's "solo" postseason failures are covered up, then why aren't Iversons. Both great players but the amount of disrespect for Iverson's game is insane lol

[Bigsmoke]

Yes "every" good postseason he had. When he had Melo and Camby like another poster said, he was unfortunate enough to run into the 3 time WCF/repeat lakers with a still athletic Kobe. AFTER he leaves the nuggets is when Melo gets a haircut, got his fat ass in shape and ran into those same Lakers again. 2001? Yeah he was an "inefficient chucker." His only fault that year was not being born with the size to gaurd peak Shaq. Who that year can be argued as the best player to ever sniff a basketball. His teammates sure didn't wanna gaurd him.

I don't know if I can take you serious when you say teams "like" Nets or Pistons... You mean the 04 Pistons. One of the greatest finals teams of all time. Yeah. And the Nets were not bad with Kidd, Vince, and RJ. It's not like he was facing recent memory Nets.

Wade's 08-09 season was great, yes. I didn't say it wasn't. And I for damn sure didn't say Wade wasn't good. But he's been lucky enough to play with the best players in the league. Heat Shaq was still top 5 in the league, and if he wasn't he for sure was the best Center in the league. And then this year's Lebron. If Wade's "solo" postseason failures are covered up, then why aren't Iversons. Both great players but the amount of disrespect for Iverson's game is insane lol

But I have to agree on Papaya Petee on this.

Wade is more versatile and consistent and the advatanges Iverson has over Wade "handles and mid range game" should put him over the top.

Can u see Iverson doing shit like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEt6Q4lZ6fY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwIoS5fmARo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-JsOUuW_PA

[bizil]

Gotta say D Wade. Even though in terms of being a dominant scorer, the only SG's on AI's level or better are MJ, Gervin,and Kobe. Wade is a true Batman scoring too and his all around game is superior to AI. Hate to bring size into the equation, but I think it comes down to that it if anything between these two. It's hard to pick an AI, Iverson, or Paul over a MJ, Wade, Magic, or Kobe. Not saying size always matters, but the bigger guards can do many of the same things the smaller guards can do AND are more versatile. But don't get me wrong, u gotta be a great, HOF caliber bigger guard. Cause I would take AI over MOST GUARDS regardless of size. But passing and scoring wise, I give AI the nod. Rebounding, defense, and versatility due to size goes to Wade.

[kurple]

Can u see Iverson doing shit like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEt6Q4lZ6fY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwIoS5fmARo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-JsOUuW_PA
No
Yes
Yes

[oamjad13]

Wade.

Although Iverson is one of my favourite players, Wade is clearly more accomplished and more all-round. Heart says Iverson but mind has to go with Wade.

[dyna]

Wade

[longtime lurker]

So what you want about Wade vs Allen Iverson but there's no way on God's green earth that Wade is a better scorer than Iverson. Iverson was a straight up dominant scorer. Feel free to take Wade over Iverson but this site is an absolute joke when it comes to personal bias.

[Young X]

So what you want about Wade vs Allen Iverson but there's no way on God's green earth that Wade is a better scorer than Iverson. Iverson was a straight up dominant scorer. Feel free to take Wade over Iverson but this site is an absolute joke when it comes to personal bias.
Please explain.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Efficiency is such an overrated piece of shit.

Gervin was more efficient than Wade idiots, does that make him better ? No.

Anyway I take Wade because of defense, Iverson was a slightly more impactful and versatile offensive player but defensively , despite the steals he was always very mediocre.

Wade plays both ends.

[longtime lurker]

Please explain.

If you actually watched both of them play you wouldn't need me to explain it to you. Iverson was a DOMINANT scorer. Not a great scorer flat out dominant scorer.

[Young X]

If you actually watched both of them play you wouldn't need me to explain it to you. Iverson was a DOMINANT scorer. Not a great scorer flat out dominant scorer.
I agree, but so was/is Wade.

[longtime lurker]

I agree, but so was/is Wade.

Not as dominant as Iverson. More scoring titles, holds the NBA's 2nd highest scoring playoff PPG scoring average while Wade's will most likely only go down due to age. I could go on but again if you actually saw both of them play you would know that there's no way Wade is a better scorer. Wade's defense absolutely crushes Iverson although Iverson does have a steals title. A very strong case can be made for Wade overall but the scoring Iverson has on lock.

[Rasheed1]

Iverson is the more explosive scorer.. But wade is bigger and can still do alot of things AI can do.. AI was a master when it came to steals, but he could be posted up and exploited in different ways on the court.. Not so much so with Wade. Like I said Wade also play more under control than Iverson did. AI was all out 100 mph every play.. But Wade is a bit less reckless and it pays off for him. Wade also gets rebounds... thats valuable from a guard


Like I said earlier... AI is one of favorite players of all time (because he was so fun to watch and he was a 6er) but if I'm picking 1 for my team, I gotta pick wade because he is nearly as explosive as Iverson, but a bit more stable as an asset.

[Mach_3]

Iverson had Melo and Camby at the age Wade is right now.

Wade's 2009 and 2010 Heat teams were even worse than Iverson's Sixers but yet Wade didnt shoot nearly as bad.

Maybe that has to do with the fact that he plays in an era TAILOR MADE for slashing SGs? :facepalm

[Clifton]

This should be a really, really obvious vote for Wade. Doesn't anyone remember tw. the end, when he was still good enough to score 25 a night, NOBODY wanting Iverson? Can you imagine that happening to Wade, ever?

[Lebron23]

Give me the 2006 Finals MVP, and 2x NBA Champion.

[lbj23clutch]

Wade without hesitation.



Taller
Bigger
Stronger
Better athlete
Higer Bball IQ
Played in control within the team concept
Much more Efficient
MUCH better defender
More versatile(defensively can guard two's and one's effectively
Better at getting into the paint
Better finisher
Better rebounder
More clutch(See 2006 PO run)
Much better leader(put his team on his back in 06 finals down 0-2 and led them to a ring as the unquestioned MAN.)
Much better teammate(Taking a step back to be a sidekick and letting LeBron be the MAN of the team spoke volumes of his unselfishness as a teammate. Something Iverson should have done late in his career.
More coachable(One word: Practice)
No BIG ego.


Shall I go on?


Only edge Iverson has is scoring ability and offensive versatility(was a better midrange shooter and easily the better 3 pt shooter) and more heart/toughness perhaps. Passing and play making ability is about even.

[GOBB]

Iverson is a better scorer, passer, playmaker. Wade has him elsewhere. Its really a close argument despite the idiots on here who either havent seen both or are stuck in this trend to bash AI. If anything Wade and AI are identical as players with Wade being bigger. There used to be fans here saying if AI was taller he be...he probably me somewhat like Wade. Overall defensively both arent much to put on all defensive teams. But when locked in? You got to go Wade and he is the best shotblocking SG I've ever seen in my life.

I too would probably go Wade here giving him the edge. To think its not even close just exposes how much of a fraud fan you are. Plenty of them in this thread. Two of my favorite players to watch. AI and his extra crap derailing his career and Wade with the constant nagging injuries kind of put a lil damper on both careers. Wish neither went thru it but it is what it is. Two of the greatest SGs of all time. I'm biased for both.

My fav 3 players of all time are Pippen, Iverson, Wade. What a trio to start a team


Wade is literally better at everything than AI was. I almost said AI was a better scorer, but then I saw his percentage from the field and laughed.

Another geek fixated on FG%. I swear you kids run to stats then run back in here and pretend you have a clue. Iverson was a better scorer. Only a old lady in the produce section is nit picky over the cucumbers.

I swear you kids on here annoy me with PER, FG% when forming arguments.

[Freedom Kid7]

I'm actually gonna go with Wade.

[Pra]

Give me the 2006 Finals MVP, and 2x NBA Champion.


This

[GOBB]

This

Wade had Shaq. Give AI Shaq and he too has Finals MVP. :confusedshrug:

[lbj23clutch]

Iverson is a better scorer, passer, playmaker. Wade has him elsewhere. Its really a close argument despite the idiots on here who either havent seen both or are stuck in this trend to bash AI. If anything Wade and AI are identical as players with Wade being bigger. There used to be fans here saying if AI was taller he be...he probably me somewhat like Wade. Overall defensively both arent much to put on all defensive teams. But when locked in? You got to go Wade and he is the best shotblocking SG I've ever seen in my life.

I too would probably go Wade here giving him the edge. To think its not even close just exposes how much of a fraud fan you are. Plenty of them in this thread. Two of my favorite players to watch. AI and his extra crap derailing his career and Wade with the constant nagging injuries kind of put a lil damper on both careers. Wish neither went thru it but it is what it is. Two of the greatest SGs of all time. I'm biased for both.

My fav 3 players of all time are Pippen, Iverson, Wade. What a trio to start a team



Another geek fixated on FG%. I swear you kids run to stats then run back in here and pretend you have a clue. Iverson was a better scorer. Only a old lady in the produce section is nit picky over the cucumbers.

I swear you kids on here annoy me with PER, FG% when forming arguments.
False. They average around the same amount of assists per game. I've watched both equally and I'd say it's too close to call in terms of passing/playmaking.

[Xiao Yao You]

Wade no question

[Bigsmoke]

Wade had Shaq. Give AI Shaq and he too has Finals MVP. :confusedshrug:

and how do u know this since Iverson was the inferior player?

[TheBigVeto]

Iverson is better. He never benefited from Stern's rigging.

[KOBE143]

AI and its not even close

Replace Wade or LeBron with Prime AI in 2011 finals and the Heat won easily..

[GOBB]

and how do u know this since Iverson was the inferior player?

Inferior??? :roll: Yes only inferior players win MVPs. Makes sense. What did Wade do in the Finals that AI couldnt do? GET TO THE FT LINE? Not. Inferior player but AI led his team to be the only team to defeat the mighty Lakers when they swept thru the mighty West. Yup, makes sense part II.

Take your index finger and place it over your mouth. Hold it there.

[UtahJazzFan88]

AI had no supporting cast in their big runs outside of a decent Dikembe Mutumbo.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Iverson is better. He never benefited from Stern's rigging.

Did you miss the 2001 ECF?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Shocked this thread is so long. Wade was better at almost everything

[Duncan21formvp]

Wade by a mile.

[raid09]

Iverson is a better scorer, passer, playmaker. Wade has him elsewhere. Its really a close argument despite the idiots on here who either havent seen both or are stuck in this trend to bash AI. If anything Wade and AI are identical as players with Wade being bigger. There used to be fans here saying if AI was taller he be...he probably me somewhat like Wade. Overall defensively both arent much to put on all defensive teams. But when locked in? You got to go Wade and he is the best shotblocking SG I've ever seen in my life.

I too would probably go Wade here giving him the edge. To think its not even close just exposes how much of a fraud fan you are. Plenty of them in this thread. Two of my favorite players to watch. AI and his extra crap derailing his career and Wade with the constant nagging injuries kind of put a lil damper on both careers. Wish neither went thru it but it is what it is. Two of the greatest SGs of all time. I'm biased for both.

My fav 3 players of all time are Pippen, Iverson, Wade. What a trio to start a team



Another geek fixated on FG%. I swear you kids run to stats then run back in here and pretend you have a clue. Iverson was a better scorer. Only a old lady in the produce section is nit picky over the cucumbers.

I swear you kids on here annoy me with PER, FG% when forming arguments.

This is the best way to put it, although I think peak Wade was arguably a better playmaker. Obviously it's somewhat close, and obviously there are things that Iverson was better at.

It just seems like, from watching them both play, Wade's size and length allows him to do things and be a factor in ways that Iverson wasn't. His size turns Iverson's ability to play the passing lane at an all time great level into the ability to play help defense at an all time great level (for a guard). I feel that his size also has a similar affect on offense.

[Optimus Prime]

Bunch of kids on here who think basketball was created with The Decision. :facepalm

I'm probably one of the biggest AI detractors around but what the dude did at his size and with the crummy teammates is pretty incredible.

He basically single handedly beat the unstoppable Kobe and Shaq Lakers when no one else could. Have you seen the team from the Finals run? AI, Mutumbo and literally a bunch of bums. And they were able to beat that ridiculous Lakers team once when no one else could.

Come on man. It's close but I would pick AI over Wade.

:kobe:

[pegasus]

Give me the little guy with the big heart.

Wade is a ref-made superstar.

[FPJ]

Iverson was an amazing player, lots of talent but only haters can say Iverson was a better player than Wade.

If you look at things in an objective manner you'll realize what Wade has acomplished throughout his carrier. If you cant see it, you're not a real basketball fan.

[alleykat]

Wade easily.....

AI has no defense, never had any.....offensively big but inefficient...one dimensional player. Great for the streetball generation but other than that there is a reason he didn't win any rings

[GOBB]

Wade easily.....

AI has no defense, never had any.....offensively big but inefficient...one dimensional player. Great for the streetball generation but other than that there is a reason he didn't win any rings

No defense? He's among the league all time steals leaders and was one of the best playing the passing lanes. That alone totally refutes this claim he has no defense. He came out of college a known defender out of Gtown. So this idea he never had defense is false. Its wrong, and proven so.

Wade was a guy given his size/length to play not only passing lanes but on ball defense when locked in. He's never given his all on that side of the ball. He could have been a great two way player. Gary Payton chewed Wade out in a heated argument for Wade's lackadasical defense. My point isnt to say Wade wasnt a good defender. Its not to say he wasnt a better defender than AI.

Its to prove 1. AI was better at defense than you give him credit for (he played none) and 2. Wade didnt play up to his potential defensively. AI defense isnt something to write home about but this idea that in his career he was never a good defender or played no defense is moronic.

Sidenote: For the wise ass counter you try to form? He turned steals into easy transition buckets so no guys who play the passing lanes arent all nba defenders. So dont go taking my words into saying AI was a great defensive player. He wasnt, never was.

[GOBB]

This is the best way to put it, although I think peak Wade was arguably a better playmaker. Obviously it's somewhat close, and obviously there are things that Iverson was better at.

It just seems like, from watching them both play, Wade's size and length allows him to do things and be a factor in ways that Iverson wasn't. His size turns Iverson's ability to play the passing lane at an all time great level into the ability to play help defense at an all time great level (for a guard). I feel that his size also has a similar affect on offense.

Agreed.

[longhornfan1234]

Wade.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Bunch of kids on here who think basketball was created with The Decision. :facepalm

I'm probably one of the biggest AI detractors around but what the dude did at his size and with the crummy teammates is pretty incredible.

He basically single handedly beat the unstoppable Kobe and Shaq Lakers when no one else could. Have you seen the team from the Finals run? AI, Mutumbo and literally a bunch of bums. And they were able to beat that ridiculous Lakers team once when no one else could.

Come on man. It's close but I would pick AI over Wade.

:kobe:
No. AI is my favourite player of all times, but Wade is clearly the better player. Both ones of most exciting players to watch in my lifetime.

[comerb]

Wade could drop kick the ball at half court and he'd still have a better chance of putting the ball in the hole than Iverson.

[Bigsmoke]

Inferior??? :roll: Yes only inferior players win MVPs. Makes sense. What did Wade do in the Finals that AI couldnt do? GET TO THE FT LINE? Not. Inferior player but AI led his team to be the only team to defeat the mighty Lakers when they swept thru the mighty West. Yup, makes sense part II.

Take your index finger and place it over your mouth. Hold it there.

and you're not biased right?

:coleman:

u know damn well u would be ****ing falling down laughing if this was Dr.J vs Carlemo Anthony.

[alleykat]

No defense? He's among the league all time steals leaders and was one of the best playing the passing lanes. That alone totally refutes this claim he has no defense. He came out of college a known defender out of Gtown. So this idea he never had defense is false. Its wrong, and proven so.

Wade was a guy given his size/length to play not only passing lanes but on ball defense when locked in. He's never given his all on that side of the ball. He could have been a great two way player. Gary Payton chewed Wade out in a heated argument for Wade's lackadasical defense. My point isnt to say Wade wasnt a good defender. Its not to say he wasnt a better defender than AI.

Its to prove 1. AI was better at defense than you give him credit for (he played none) and 2. Wade didnt play up to his potential defensively. AI defense isnt something to write home about but this idea that in his career he was never a good defender or played no defense is moronic.

Sidenote: For the wise ass counter you try to form? He turned steals into easy transition buckets so no guys who play the passing lanes arent all nba defenders. So dont go taking my words into saying AI was a great defensive player. He wasnt, never was.

w8 so u try to disprove my "purposely" exaggerated claim, then try and give urself cushion just in case i try to counter? so you're not looking to have any kind of discussion are u, just trying to win? ima just pretend you want to actually have a healthy debate

the question is "Dwayne Wade vs Allen Iverson".....passing lane Iverson defense is not gonna do anything against Dwayne Wade - take things into context.....on the ball defense is something AI can't do, so yes u are correct he is not a good defender. Floating in the passing lanes and being able to steal does not make you a case for having "defense", and in most cases costs u way more games because he risks way too much, that's why when he led the league he never made NBA first team defense. He got his steals record for his stats, but yet he will never be remembered for being a defender. Why? Because those did nothing other than a quick 2 points, no pressure on the ball. If anything his teammates who were putting pressure on the ball in order for those turnovers to happen have every right to claim just as much for those steals, and were the reason those could happen.

Steals leader in the passing lanes who cant on ball defend does not give u any right to "have defense", u were just at the right place at the right time. It can hurt ur team more than help it on defense. Defense should help your team by putting constant pressure on the ball, not quick in an out occasional turnovers while the team can get almost any shot they want over you. Wade didn't live up to his potential but even not at his potential he is a much better defender than AI. You trying to prove that Wade wasn't living up to his potential is irrelevant, as at his worst defense he is still better than AI...

again take the idea into context....of course he had played defense don't you think you're taking that statement a little literally? I mean every player in the NBA has to guard somebody so yes he can defend because he had to guard somebody

[markymark]

Why do you guys think Wade rocks #3?

/thread

[GOBB]

You types all that text to say what exactly? And it's not AI vs Wade matchup playing one another. It's what player was the better oft he two because Wade wouldn't guard AI any better than AI would Wade. So AI defense on Wade is irrelevant because AI often guarded PGs. You types a bunch of nothing.


and you're not biased right?

:coleman:

u know damn well u would be ****ing falling down laughing if this was Dr.J vs Carlemo Anthony.

So you can't back up your claim on AI being inferior. Solid. You can't counter why AI has an MVP where Wade doesn't yet AI is still inferior to Wade. Ok

And what does Dr J and Melo have to do with this? I already listed in this thread my 3 fab players of all time are Pippen, Iverson and Wade. So take the Dr J/Melo thing ad go create a thread about it.

[Papaya Petee]

:roll: :roll: I love how the only people picking Iverson are insecure Kobe fans who are mad Wade is better then Kobe right now and GOBB who's a huge 76ers fan.

[oh the horror]

:roll: :roll: I love how the only people picking Iverson are insecure Kobe fans who are mad Wade is better then Kobe right now and GOBB who's a huge 76ers fan.



Yeah, THAT must be it. :rolleyes:

[oh the horror]

Two things are going on here...

Either the older dudes memories are failing them, or the kids here were too young to remember a young Allen Iverson.


Allen Iverson, despite his chucking ways, was probably one of the most incredible players to watch play the game. Selfish, yeah...probably...not the greatest of teammates, but damn....dude was ferocious given his size out there among giants.


Im sorry but at times I look at Wade and think "he could have been better".

[swi7ch]

Wade in 2006, Iverson any other year.

[nycelt84]

Wade quite easily.

[D.J.]

Wade.


Iverson was a more explosive scorer and more likely to go off for 40+, but he was also more likely to shoot 11-35 from the field. Wade is much more efficient, a better defender, and gives you more size.

[D.J.]

Two things are going on here...

Either the older dudes memories are failing them, or the kids here were too young to remember a young Allen Iverson.


Allen Iverson, despite his chucking ways, was probably one of the most incredible players to watch play the game. Selfish, yeah...probably...not the greatest of teammates, but damn....dude was ferocious given his size out there among giants.


Im sorry but at times I look at Wade and think "he could have been better".


Iverson was very entertaining and very flashy, but he also needed many shots to crack 30 PPG. He also struggled to crack 40% from the field and shot less than that multiple times. Wade gives you 25-30 PPG on 50% or near it, provides better D, and more intangibles.

[3peated]

wade had much more help built around him than iverson did, i think on the heat, iverson could have won more than wade did.

[The Choken One]

More likely you're just severely r.etarded. Everything you say is wrong.
That would actually be you. No one on this site even takes you serious.

And I'm not sure...Iverson and Wade are extremely close... if it wasn't for LeBron/Bosh Wade wouldn't of done shlt the rest of his career, but he got saved. Individual talent...Iverson. Better career...Wade.

[Heavincent]

Wade is better then Kobe right now

Maybe in fantasy land. Kobe is undoubtedly better than Wade. That's not even really a discussion.

[DFish]

A 29 year old Iverson wouldn't have lost to Dallas in 2011. He would have carried LeBron and Bosh to a ring. Actually, he might've fainted first at the thought of having that much help on his team for the first time.

[SourPatchKids]

Actually, he might've fainted first at the thought of having that much help on his team for the first time.
http://images.t-shirts.com/im-with-stupid-arrow-up-t-shirt-hr.jpg

[PJR]

Given all the information, You'd be hardpressd to find any GM or basketball executive who would take Iverson over Wade at their absolute peaks. And that's just reality.

[Tking714]

Wade could drop kick the ball at half court and he'd still have a better chance of putting the ball in the hole than Iverson.

Lmfao, all of a sudden one of the best scorers the game has ever seen can't put the ball in the basket? Amazing

[upside24]

Wade

[Chrono90]

I would have to go with Wade because of his Finals MVP one year

BUT....

it's really close. The Answer was great at his prime also. No one could stop the answer in his prime. No team can stop him period. Only choosing Wade cause of his year when he won finals MVP and took it all the way.

[INDI]

I would have to go with Wade because of his Finals MVP one year

BUT....

it's really close. The Answer was great at his prime also. No one could stop the answer in his prime. No team can stop him period. Only choosing Wade cause of his year when he won finals MVP and took it all the way.


It's sad that we never got to see iverson on a stacked team. I really believe if he had a great big man to play with or an elite team, he would have a ring and get more respect around here.

I think iversons best comparison is probably Jerry west. They both were shooting guards in point guard bodies, unstoppable scorers, and ice running through their veins

[kNicKz]

Iverson, dude is severly underated on here

Him taking that sixers squad to the finals was some 2007 lebron shit, but is overlooked by everyone :facepalm

[SourPatchKids]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKvoLWu_Zew&feature=related
The little big man.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9unto8r3y1rqdit9o1_500.gif

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Wade by a mile. Iverson is a talented cancer. He's also undersized.

Wade is talented enough to be a one man show but humble enough to play team ball. He's also a good shot blocker.

[Bigsmoke]

A 29 year old Iverson wouldn't have lost to Dallas in 2011. He would have carried LeBron and Bosh to a ring. Actually, he might've fainted first at the thought of having that much help on his team for the first time.
'u right

29 year old Wade lost in the first round instead

The Heat lost because of LeBron not playing his level... Wade even overshadowed Dirk in some points.

[BigMic]

Iverson, dude is severly underated on here
Unfortunately :(

[Shih508]

AI has more 50+pt games in playoff than wade+lebron+kobe combined

If AI has played his whole career with the no hand-checking rule, he'd be a way more efficient scorer with even higher ppg, i'd say prolly 44-45% career avg with close 28ppg

[BlueandGold]

WTF easily Iverson..

compare resumes if Wade's career ended right now

[Bigsmoke]

WTF easily Iverson..

compare resumes if Wade's career ended right now

Iverson didn't accomplish shit

[longtime lurker]

Iverson didn't accomplish shit

Wade is barely better than Iverson if at that. What had Wade really done until he teamed up with Lebron?

[silenc]

AI

[D.J.]

Wade is barely better than Iverson if at that. What had Wade really done until he teamed up with Lebron?


2006 ring a bell? In all seriousness, Iverson is getting very underrated. Yes, he was a volume scorer that shot a lot and often had piss poor shooting nights. But for every game he shot 10/35 from the field, you'll find quite a few where he put up 40+. Iverson's career would have been much better had he played with no other real scoring options and defensively stacked teams(i.e. 2001).

[greymatter]

Nothing to see here. Just another thread where Kobe-stans feel compelled to prop up a lesser version of their god -a high volume low-efficiency scorer- over a guy who was clearly superior in every aspect of the game sans scoring (by a little).

[PJR]

Nothing to see here. Just another thread where Kobe-stans feel compelled to prop up a lesser version of their god -a high volume low-efficiency scorer- over a guy who was clearly superior in every aspect of the game sans scoring (by a little).

:oldlol:

[tmacattack33]

Allen Iverson, He actually has a MVP

:roll: