#16 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Julius Erving was voted the #15 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

22.0 PPG | 6.7 RPG | 3.9 APG

NBA Champion
NBA Most Valuable Player
11

[Gabuyaux]

Barkley

[DTreats]

Isaiah Thomas

[JuicyJay78]

Barkley

[Remix]

elgin

[fpliii]

KG

[fsvr54]

Isaiah > Barkley

[fpliii]

Isaiah Thomas


Isaiah > Barkely

I actually almost picked Zeke, but went KG (am voting for him @ 17 if he doesn't come in here)

where do you guys put Garnett?

[chazzy]

KG

[Mr Know It All]

Dirk Nowitzki.

[Harison]

Garnett

[Rolando]

Garnett. The Big Ticket!

[StateOfMind12]

Kevin Garnett a.k.a The Big Ticket

http://stylecrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/kevin-garnett_msp1.jpg

[KG215]

I really think Garnett helped his legacy this year, especially during the playoffs. Still feel like #16 is a little too high for him, but he's worked his way into the top 20 discussion. We're at a point I really can't separate guys like Baylor, Barkley, Malone, Garnett, Pettit, and Dirk. I don't know enough about some of them, and the ones I do know enough or a lot about (KG, Dirk, Barkley, and Malone) are really close in my opinion.

[Bigsmoke]

Kevin Garnett

why Barkley?

he didn't play that good of defense and Garnett already past him in total points and rebounds.

[Horatio33]

John Havlicek.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kevin Garnett a.k.a The Big Ticket

http://stylecrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/kevin-garnett_msp1.jpg
I was reading a thread on RealGM and I spotted one of your accounts. It was so obvious, you were saying things about T-Mac, like always :oldlol:

[StateOfMind12]

I was reading a thread on RealGM and I spotted one of your accounts. It was so obvious, you were saying things about T-Mac, like always :oldlol:
Cool story bro, please tell it again.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Cool story bro, please tell it again.
Did T-Mac do something to you?

[#number6ix#]

Isaiah Thomas

[IGotACoolStory]

http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/isiah-thomasjpg.jpg

I am pretty sure TMac raped StateOfMind's entire family, except him and he feels left out. That's his beef.

[Sarcastic]

Isiah Thomas.


Next group should be a toss up of Thomas, Baylor, Mikan, and Havlicek.

[chips93]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8xseg139Z1rqnhcko1_500.jpg

[RoundMoundOfReb]

david robinson

[po3try]

Karl Malone

[coin24]

Barkley>Garnett..

[SpecialQue]

With five championships and being the first ever star of the NBA, this clearly has to go to Mikan.

[magnax1]

Garnett

[DaHeezy]

Now it's getting interesting. we've got Garnett, Barkley, Zeke, Baylor, Hondo, Malone......

I'll go with Karl Malone at this spot. Having only one PF in the top 15 doesn't do this list justice and IMO Malone is the second best PF all-time

[Deuce Bigalow]

Barkley>Garnett..
That a vote for Barkley?

[BoutPractice]

Bob Pettit.
Great scorer, great rebounder, 2 time MVP and 1 time NBA champion (with a Finals performance for the ages), as well as one of the very few guys to beat Russell, who considered him a GOAT candidate.

[ImmortalD24]

Kevin Garnett

[fpliii]

Bob Pettit.
Great scorer, great rebounder, 2 time MVP and 1 time NBA champion (with a Finals performance for the ages), as well as one of the very few guys to beat Russell, who considered him a GOAT candidate.

solid vote

much more of a case than Mikan (who people voted for in the last thread), who did nothing of note after the advent of the shot clock

[kurple]

Malone

[dyna]

Charles Barkley

[Deuce Bigalow]

solid vote

much more of a case than Mikan (who people voted for in the last thread), who did nothing of note after the advent of the shot clock
Is it true that Mikan played in the Playoffs with a broken leg? That's what I've heard from Abe, don't know if t's true or not.

[hangintheair]

Sir CHarles!!

[Round Mound]

Barkley

[Heilige]

George Mikan

[FreezingTsmoove]

Zeke

[crisoner]

KG

The Big Ticket

[ShaqAttack3234]

Damn....Hakeem got underrated again. :facepalm

I'll vote for Barkley anyway.


Isaiah > Barkley

:oldlol: How?

[BlackVVaves]

This thread series has quietly morphed from the greatest players of all time to poster's favorite players of all time.

Dr. J is one of my 3 favorite NBA players, ever. But, how he was ranked above Malone and Pettit, even Baylor, is beyond me. :facepalm

Anyway, my vote goes to Karl Malone. I always feel shaky voting for him, because it escapes me how much of his individual game and production was supplemented by Stockton and the pick and roll mastery. However, results are still results at the end of the day. He still dominated the PF position in the 90s, and walked away with 2 MVPs, and two Finals appearances (albeit, he choked at the free throw line and in other moments, but leading your team to two Finals appearances is no easy task).

[kurple]

This thread series as quietly morphed from the greatest players of all time to poster's favorite players of all time.

Dr. J is one of my 3 favorite NBA players, ever. But, how he was ranked above Malone and Pettit, even Baylor, is beyond me. :facepalm

Anyway, my vote goes to Karl Malone. I always feel shaky voting for him, because it escapes me how much of his individual game and production was supplemented by Stockton and the pick and roll mastery. However, results are still results at the end of the day. He still dominated the PF position in the 90s, and walked away with 2 MVPs, and two Finals appearances (albeit, he choked at the free throw line and in other moments, but leading your team to two Finals appearances is no easy task).
2nd in total points should make him top20 AT LEAST

[fsvr54]

Damn....Hakeem got underrated again. :facepalm

I'll vote for Barkley anyway.



:oldlol: How?

Accomplishments: Isaiah
Skill: It's debateable. What did Barkley do better than Isaiah other than rebound (since he was a PF)?

[BlackVVaves]

People voting Zeke over Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, KG, Pettit, and Baylor?

:roll:

How can you even take Isiah over David Robinson?

21 PPG | 11 RPB | 3 APG | 3 BPG | 51% FG
1 MVP - Defensive Player of the year - 2 rings

Zeke?
19 PPG | 4 RPG | 9 APG | 2 SPG | 45% FG
1 FMVP - 2 rings


I've seen it all on ISH.

[Kews1]

Kevin Garnett

[DMAVS41]

Dirk

[fpliii]

Is it true that Mikan played in the Playoffs with a broken leg? That's what I've heard from Abe, don't know if t's true or not.

not sure...I did some research, and many noted that he scored 32 points with a broken leg in the 51 playoffs, which corresponds to this game:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/195104030ROC.html

I went into the archives and could find no record of him breaking his leg, though he did hurt his ankle in this game:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/195103170TRI.html

here are some quotes:


Mikan was hampered by an ankle injury but his 14 points raised his season's total to a new high of 1,932 and a record 28.4-per-game average.


Even on an injured ankle George Mikan got 41 points tonight as the Minneapolis Lakers won their opening game in the National Basketball association playoffs.


Mikan, limping slightly from an ankle injury, left the game after 15 minutes.


Mikan's sore ankle, however, may cost the Minneapolis Lakers their fourth straight playoff title and the National Basket Ball Association championship, with $50,000 in prize money at stake.

He suffered the injury against Tri-Cities last Saturday and it has not responded to treatment. It did not bother him in the playoff opener against the Indianapolis Olympians Wednesday as he scored 41 points in leading the Lakers to victory. It was a different story last nigt.

Bespectacled George limped up and down the big court at the Butler Field house for 15 minutes and wound up with one field goal before he was replaced by Vern Mikkelsen.


Crippled George Mikan, whose injured ankle seems to be getting worse, played all but sixty seconds tonight and was definitely off.


George Mikan, the Lakers injury-hobbled star, canned 32 points before he fouled out with one minute and 20 seconds left.

so take that for what it's worth; either way, I don't think Abe made this one up

I guess there are three possibilities:

(1) there were two separate injuries, but the leg injury wasn't reported until some time later

(2) there was only an ankle injury, and eventually through rumors, storytelling, etc. it became a broken leg

(3) he shattered everything in his leg in one devastating injury, ankle and otherwise

no clue what to think, but I'd imagine we need a local paper from Minneapolis to tell us more (the game was actually played in Illinois, but the Chicago Tribune didn't mention the injury in the game report

[BlackVVaves]

Accomplishments: Isaiah
Skill: It's debateable. What did Barkley do better than Isaiah other than rebound (since he was a PF)?

Uh, score?

Barkley has 5 seasons where he averaged more than 25 points per game. Of those 5 seasons, only 1 of them featured Barkley averaging under 4 assists per game.

Isiah's highest PPG season average was 23.

In fact, forget about statistics. If you watched basketball both players play, you'd know Zeke was never the scorer that Chuck was. So to say all Barkley did better than Zeke was rebound is, to put it elegantly, dumb as ****.

And, for you to imply the reasoning behind his rebounding prowless was because "he was a PF" show's your lack of eptitude for the game's history. There were guards taller than Charles Barkley, yet the man would collect 14, 15, sometimes 20 rebounds in a game like he was 7'0.

Shame on you.

[joeyjoejoe]

Karl malone

[Young X]

Kevin Garnett

[pauk]

....................Barkley.......Malone.......Gar nett......Robinson.......
MVP..................1...............2............ ...1.................1............
FMVP................0...............0............. ...0................0.............
CHAMP..............0...............0.............. .1.................2.............
ROTY...............No.............No.............. No..............Yes...........
DPOY................0...............0............. ..1.................1.............
1st All-NBA........5..............11..............4....... ..........4.............
1st All-Def.........0...............3...............9..... ............4.............
All-Star............11.............14..............14. ..............10............
All-Star MVP......1...............2...............1........ .........0.............
POTM...............4...............7.............. ..9................4.............
PPG................22.1..........25.0...........19 .3............21.1..........
RPG................11.7..........10.1...........10 .6............10.6.........
APG.................3.9............3.5............ ..4.0.............2.5..........
BPG.................0.8............0.8............ ..1.5.............3.0..........
SPG.................1.5............1.4............ ..1.3.............1.4..........
PER Rating......24.6..........23.9............23.3.... ........26.2.........




Thats about it... this is extremly close, but i am gona go with KARL MALONE...

[Round Mound]

Barkley by Far: Top 10 Player Statistically

Barkley Top 10 All Time in EFF
Barkley Top 10 All Time in PER (Season)
Barlley Top 8 All Time in WS Per 48 Minutes
Barkley Top 9 All Time in PER (Play-Offs)
Barkley Top 5 All Time in Plus/Minus (+/-)
Bakley Top 4 All Time in Shot Made/Missed Diferential

[millwad]

Barkley by Far: Top 10 Player Statistically

Barkley Top 10 All Time in EFF
Barkley Top 10 All Time in PER (Season)
Barlley Top 8 All Time in WS Per 48 Minutes
Barkley Top 9 All Time in PER (Play-Offs)
Barkley Top 5 All Time in Plus/Minus (+/-)
Bakley Top 4 All Time in Shot Made/Missed Diferential

Cherry picking at it's finest.
And I'm glad that we're not judging players just based on stats.

[KG215]

....................Barkley.......Malone.......Gar nett......Robinson.......
MVP..................1...............2............ ...1.................1............
FMVP................0...............0............. ...0................0.............
CHAMP..............0...............0.............. .1.................1.............
ROTY...............No.............No.............. No..............Yes...........
DPOY................0...............0............. ..1.................1.............
1st All-NBA........5..............11..............4....... ..........4.............
1st All-Def.........0...............3...............9..... ............4.............
All-Star............11.............14..............14. ..............10............
All-Star MVP......1...............2...............1........ .........0.............
POTM...............4...............7.............. ..9................4.............
PPG................22.1..........25.0...........19 .3............21.1..........
RPG................11.7..........10.1...........10 .6............10.6.........
APG.................3.9............3.5............ ..4.0.............2.5..........
BPG.................0.8............0.8............ ..1.5.............3.0..........
SPG.................1.5............1.4............ ..1.3.............1.4..........
PER Rating......24.6..........23.9............23.3.... ........26.2.........




Thats about it... this is extremly close, but i am gona go with KARL MALONE...

I know this is picking nits, but it still bugs me. It's still not real fair to use POTM in this case because they didn't start giving it to a player from each conference until the 2001-2002 season. That coincides with basically all of Garnett's prime and none of the other three players primes.

[fpliii]

....................Barkley.......Malone.......Gar nett......Robinson.......
MVP..................1...............2............ ...1.................1............
FMVP................0...............0............. ...0................0.............
CHAMP..............0...............0.............. .1.................1.............
ROTY...............No.............No.............. No..............Yes...........
DPOY................0...............0............. ..1.................1.............
1st All-NBA........5..............11..............4....... ..........4.............
1st All-Def.........0...............3...............9..... ............4.............
All-Star............11.............14..............14. ..............10............
All-Star MVP......1...............2...............1........ .........0.............
POTM...............4...............7.............. ..9................4.............
PPG................22.1..........25.0...........19 .3............21.1..........
RPG................11.7..........10.1...........10 .6............10.6.........
APG.................3.9............3.5............ ..4.0.............2.5..........
BPG.................0.8............0.8............ ..1.5.............3.0..........
SPG.................1.5............1.4............ ..1.3.............1.4..........
PER Rating......24.6..........23.9............23.3.... ........26.2.........




Thats about it... this is extremly close, but i am gona go with KARL MALONE...

what's 'CHAMP'? if that's rings, the Admiral should have two

don't include PER and POTM

[Horde of Temujin]

Pippen

[Round Mound]

Cherry picking at it's finest.
And I'm glad that we're not judging players just based on stats.

These are not "Just Stats"...This is Broken Down Stats...Who Tell Us The Truth of Real Production Per Game, Efficiency and Dominance. Its Not What We Like or Wan`t. Its Closest to the Truth of a Players Real Level.

[Round Mound]

what's 'CHAMP'? if that's rings, the Admiral should have two

don't include PER and POTM

Rings as a 2nd Option. David Robinsons Post Season PER is Lower Than His Season PER.

[BlackVVaves]

....................Barkley.......Malone.......Gar nett......Robinson.......
MVP..................1...............2............ ...1.................1............
FMVP................0...............0............. ...0................0.............
CHAMP..............0...............0.............. .1.................1.............
ROTY...............No.............No.............. No..............Yes...........
DPOY................0...............0............. ..1.................1.............
1st All-NBA........5..............11..............4....... ..........4.............
1st All-Def.........0...............3...............9..... ............4.............
All-Star............11.............14..............14. ..............10............
All-Star MVP......1...............2...............1........ .........0.............
POTM...............4...............7.............. ..9................4.............
PPG................22.1..........25.0...........19 .3............21.1..........
RPG................11.7..........10.1...........10 .6............10.6.........
APG.................3.9............3.5............ ..4.0.............2.5..........
BPG.................0.8............0.8............ ..1.5.............3.0..........
SPG.................1.5............1.4............ ..1.3.............1.4..........
PER Rating......24.6..........23.9............23.3.... ........26.2.........




Thats about it... this is extremly close, but i am gona go with KARL MALONE...

Robinson has 2 rings, not 1.

Also, again, All Star MVP and Player of the Month really doesn't need to be included here, as we've debated already in the past. I'd also take out PER rating.

The numbers and other achievements speak for themselves.

[BlackVVaves]

I would also take out Robinson (for now) in your comparison chart Pauk, and instead include Pettit and Baylor.

Man. I still can't believe people can sit here and vote Zeke over the likes of Malone, KG, and Pettit with a straight face :oldlol:

[Raz]

Karl Malone

[sagr32]

The next couple of slots are going to be very PF heavy. With that said I'll go with Barkely

[Deuce Bigalow]

not sure...I did some research, and many noted that he scored 32 points with a broken leg in the 51 playoffs, which corresponds to this game:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/195104030ROC.html

I went into the archives and could find no record of him breaking his leg, though he did hurt his ankle in this game:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/195103170TRI.html

here are some quotes:













so take that for what it's worth; either way, I don't think Abe made this one up

I guess there are three possibilities:

(1) there were two separate injuries, but the leg injury wasn't reported until some time later

(2) there was only an ankle injury, and eventually through rumors, storytelling, etc. it became a broken leg

(3) he shattered everything in his leg in one devastating injury, ankle and otherwise

no clue what to think, but I'd imagine we need a local paper from Minneapolis to tell us more (the game was actually played in Illinois, but the Chicago Tribune didn't mention the injury in the game report
Thanks for the info. :cheers:

[Hands of Iron]

Accomplishments: Isaiah
Skill: It's debateable. What did Barkley do better than Isaiah other than rebound (since he was a PF)?

So what?

It isn't as if his impact on the game from crashing boards is any less "since he was a PF". It just is what it is. A player on the court, crashing the hell out of boards and impacting the game because of it.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Isiah Thomas has been Top 5 in MVP Voting 1 time. 5th in 1983-84 Season.

Take that for what it's worth :confusedshrug:

[Hands of Iron]

Isiah Thomas has been Top 5 in MVP Voting 1 time. 5th in 1983-84 Season.

Take that for what it's worth :confusedshrug:

When Barkley brought down 20 rebounds, it had less impact than it otherwise would since he was a PF. The game takes that into consideration and somehow makes it count for less.

[KG215]

what's 'CHAMP'? if that's rings, the Admiral should have two

don't include PER and POTM
Or ASG MVP. If people are using that to give someone the nod over another player, then they need to seriously reconsider the way they rank players.

[Duncan21formvp]

Karl Malone

[L.Kizzle]

This Is Re Dick U Lust

elgin Baylor

[INDI]

karl malone

[Kews1]

If my count is correct so far we have

Garnett - 11
Malone - 9
Isiah - 6
Barkley - 6 (+1 from a poster under 100)
Baylor - 3
Mikan - 2
Dirk - 2
Havlicek,Robinson,Pippen & Pettit - 1

[MiamiThrice]

Karl Malone

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/329138/a_malone_i_medium.jpg

Lol @ people voting for Barkley over Malone or even Dirk. Just becuase everyone sucks him off and he has a cushy job where he is relevant people overrate him. I guarantee if Karl Malone was the smartass commentator with a funny personality and Barkley hunted and lived in the woods people would be picking Malone. What a joke.

Edit: Wow KG getting overrated hard, this is a guy who proved in his career he was incapable of being built around as the first option. When I'm talking top 20 players all-time I want guys that can lead me to a title. At least Malone had his teams consistently elite. KG couldn't even make the playoffs IN HIS PRIME.

[Kews1]

Karl Malone

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/329138/a_malone_i_medium.jpg

Lol @ people voting for Barkley over Malone or even Dirk. Just becuase everyone sucks him off and he has a cushy job where he is relevant people overrate him. I guarantee if Karl Malone was the smartass commentator with a funny personality and Barkley hunted and lived in the woods people would be picking Malone. What a joke.

Edit: Wow KG getting overrated hard, this is a guy who proved in his career he was incapable of being built around as the first option. When I'm talking top 20 players all-time I want guys that can lead me to a title. At least Malone had his teams consistently elite. KG couldn't even make the playoffs IN HIS PRIME.

Based on your own theory you shouldn't be voting Malone until at least 21 now should you. :coleman:

[MiamiThrice]

Based on your own theory you shouldn't be voting Malone until at least 21 now should you. :coleman:

Part of winning a title is about luck. The Jazz had some great ****ing teams in the 80s. There were just better teams at the time. What I credit Malone for is constantly being in the hunt for that title. The Jazz were always a team people didn't want to **** with. KGs timberwolves were pretty much irrelevant. They were never a threat for the title and pretty much just a joke of a franchise.

KG is a 2nd option player. Not a first.

[PK3434]

Elgin Gay Balor
First team all NBA for his first ten seasons in the NBA

[Freedom Kid7]

I'm gonna vote for the guy that was the first player I liked.

Kevin 'The Big Ticket' Garnett

[Eric Cartman]

Charles Barkley.

[Kews1]

Part of winning a title is about luck. The Jazz had some great ****ing teams in the 80s. There were just better teams at the time. What I credit Malone for is constantly being in the hunt for that title. The Jazz were always a team people didn't want to **** with. KGs timberwolves were pretty much irrelevant. They were never a threat for the title and pretty much just a joke of a franchise.

And KG was unlucky to be drafted by the Timberwolves who were unable to keep players such as Marbury, were stripped of first round draft picks, and unable to put a decent team around KG. When they did put a semi-decent team around him consiting of Cassell and Sprewell, KG LED them to the top seed in the west and right to the WCF, where they came up against the Lakers who have Shaq & Kobe who were both All-NBA first team by that time. You obviously underestimate how bad the teams KG was given in Minny was. There was no building around KG the franchise was run like shit hence why he left.



KG is a 2nd option player. Not a first.

Are you aware that KG was the first option on the championship celtics team?? People's idea of the whole season is skewed because Paul Pierce won the FMVP whereas people who were actually watching throughout the season will tell you that KG led the team the entire season. He was ****ing 3rd in MVP voting and won DPOY???

IDIOT :facepalm

[MiamiThrice]

And KG was unlucky to be drafted by the Timberwolves who were unable to keep players such as Marbury, were stripped of first round draft picks, and unable to put a decent team around KG. When they did put a semi-decent team around him consiting of Cassell and Sprewell, KG LED them to the top seed in the west and right to the WCF, where they came up against the Lakers who have Shaq & Kobe who were both All-NBA first team by that time. You obviously underestimate how bad the teams KG was given in Minny was. There was no building around KG the franchise was run like shit hence why he left.


Are you aware that KG was the first option on the championship celtics team?? People's idea of the whole season is skewed because Paul Pierce won the FMVP whereas people who were actually watching throughout the season will tell you that KG led the team the entire season. He was ****ing 3rd in MVP voting and won DPOY???

IDIOT :facepalm

You think I give a **** about his supporting cast? I don't care who else is on the team, this guy was healthy for 82 games for 3 consecutive years playing at a high level. If this guy was a "top 16 player" don't you think he'd at least be able to get his team to one of the 16 in the league? Lol what a ****ing joke, more than half the teams make the ****ing playoffs and this overrated baboon who is supposedly "the 16th best player alltime" can't even get them in it DURING HIS PRIME.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

You see Kobe missing the playoffs with his cast pre-Gasol and post-Shaq? You see LeBron bitching about his Cleveland team? You see DIRK bitching about having the pressure of franchising 60 win teams with JOSH HOWARD as his best teammate? I don't see these guys with their excuses, they get results.

2004 was the only year KG got past the first round in Minnesota because he had Sam Cassell to bail him out the same way he had Rondo/Pierce/Allen in Boston.(doesn't matter though Boston KG isn't his prime) When Cassell got hurt in the playoffs we all know the pathetic overrated player known as Garnett would get absolutely creampied by superior players such as Shaq or Duncan. Minnesota had no chance at getting past the real ****ing players. Thats hardly what I'd call relevant.

Don't care about Boston KG. That team was more 04 Pistons than anything. 4 legit allstars. He was past his prime anyway.

[TheBigVeto]

You see Kobe missing the playoffs with his cast pre-Gasol and post-Shaq? You see LeBron bitching about his Cleveland team? You see DIRK bitching about having the pressure of franchising 60 win teams with JOSH HOWARD as his best teammate? I don't see these guys with their excuses, they get results.



LOL but Kobe bitched like a little girl in that period.

[Freedom Kid7]

You think I give a **** about his supporting cast? I don't care who else is on the team, this guy was healthy for 82 games for 3 consecutive years playing at a high level. If this guy was a "top 16 player" don't you think he'd at least be able to get his team to one of the 16 in the league? Lol what a ****ing joke, more than half the teams make the ****ing playoffs and this overrated baboon who is supposedly "the 16th best player alltime" can't even get them in it DURING HIS PRIME.
The sad part is Wade couldn't get it done during his peak (09) with
a) A better supporting cast than KG
b) A weak Eastern Conference. Seriously, he lost to the friggin' Hawks :biggums:

And if you continue by that logic, than the beginning of LeBron's prime was a failure because he couldn't take a team to the title.

I don't get you, you praise Karl Malone and attack KG by using contradictory reasons.

[Kews1]

You think I give a **** about his supporting cast? I don't care who else is on the team, this guy was healthy for 82 games for 3 consecutive years playing at a high level. If this guy was a "top 16 player" don't you think he'd at least be able to get his team to one of the 16 in the league? Lol what a ****ing joke, more than half the teams make the ****ing playoffs and this overrated baboon who is supposedly "the 16th best player alltime" can't even get them in it DURING HIS PRIME.

Basketballs a team sport you ****ing half-wit, even great players cant win championships all on their own. Given KG John Stockton for his whole career and i bet you KG gets more rings than Malone ever managed.




You see Kobe missing the playoffs with his cast pre-Gasol and post-Shaq? You see LeBron bitching about his Cleveland team? You see DIRK bitching about having the pressure of franchising 60 win teams with JOSH HOWARD as his best teammate? I don't see these guys with their excuses, they get results.

2004-05 Los Angeles Lakers (Post-Shaq) Missed playoffs and Dirks teams never were anywhere close to talent depleted as Garnetts were. Dirks hardly had teams to complain about.



2004 was the only year KG got past the first round in Minnesota because he had Sam Cassell to bail him out the same way he had Rondo/Pierce/Allen in Boston.(doesn't matter though Boston KG isn't his prime) When Cassell got hurt in the playoffs we all know the pathetic overrated player known as Garnett would get absolutely creampied by superior players such as Shaq or Duncan. Minnesota had no chance at getting past the real ****ing players. Thats hardly what I'd call relevant.

Don't care about Boston KG. That team was more 04 Pistons than anything. 4 legit allstars. He was past his prime anyway.

So you say hes not in his prime but he was coming of the seasons that you said are the seasons hes in his prime so suddenly hes not in his prime based on what?? his numbers? they take a big drop because suddenly he actually has guys who he can rely on outside him and he dosnt have to do everything himself? How does a player not in his prime lead a team to a championship, finish 3rd in MVP & win DPOY?

:no:

[DTreats]

Matt Geiger

[Legends66NBA7]

This spot can go to either Garnett, Dirk, Pettit, Barkley, Malone, or Robinson.

It's pretty close. There's nothing that separates any of them in terms of all-time lists by that much (Not voting, just saying).

If it was just discussing them as players, it would be a lot different.

[MiamiThrice]

The sad part is Wade couldn't get it done during his peak (09) with
a) A better supporting cast than KG
b) A weak Eastern Conference. Seriously, he lost to the friggin' Hawks :biggums:

And if you continue by that logic, than the beginning of LeBron's prime was a failure because he couldn't take a team to the title.

I don't get you, you praise Karl Malone and attack KG by using contradictory reasons.

Oh really? Let's check the standings.

Oh! It looks like Wade got his team to a 5th seed with TRASH teammates. LOL. Now that shows the impact of an all-time great first option. Kobe did the same thing with his shittty Laker teams.

Garnett? This guy can't even make the playoffs, let alone advance a round LOL. During his prime!!!!! LeBrons teams were constantly elite and he never lost in the first round. Fail comparison is fail. Lol @ a top 16 all-time player not making a 16 team playoffs in thier prime. What a joke.

Next.

[Kews1]

Oh really? Let's check the standings.

Oh! It looks like Wade got his team to a 5th seed with TRASH teammates. LOL. Now that shows the impact of an all-time great first option. Kobe did the same thing with his shittty Laker teams.

Garnett? This guy can't even make the playoffs, let alone advance a round LOL. During his prime!!!!! LeBrons teams were constantly elite and he never lost in the first round. Fail comparison is fail. Lol @ a top 16 all-time player not making a 16 team playoffs in thier prime. What a joke.

Next.

So now Wade>Garnett? :biggums:

[arifgokcen]

Karl Malone

[MiamiThrice]

Basketballs a team sport you ****ing half-wit, even great players cant win championships all on their own. Given KG John Stockton for his whole career and i bet you KG gets more rings than Malone ever managed.

2004-05 Los Angeles Lakers (Post-Shaq) Missed playoffs and Dirks teams never were anywhere close to talent depleted as Garnetts were. Dirks hardly had teams to complain about.

KG had all-stars in Minnesota(Googs,Sczerbiak,Marbury,Cassell). Even when Minnesota had multiple all-stars the team was irrelevant. It wasn't the cast as much as it is the main player. The only way KG was ever relevant in his entire career was when he had teams with unequaled talent such as his time in Boston.

Do you even watch basketball? The 2005 Lakers missed the playoffs and underperformed because Kobe was injured that year and their head coach situation was a travesty. KG was in perfect health.

Dirk carried teams that featured Eric Dampier, and Antoine Wright in the starting lineup to deep playoff runs and had his Dallas team winning something like 10 consecutive 50 win years in a row. Guess who the ONLY player was to be on all those Dallas teams? Dirk!!!! An adaptable superstar that can actually lead a team to a title.





So you say hes not in his prime but he was coming of the seasons that you said are the seasons hes in his prime so suddenly hes not in his prime based on what?? his numbers? they take a big drop because suddenly he actually has guys who he can rely on outside him and he dosnt have to do everything himself? How does a player not in his prime lead a team to a championship, finish 3rd in MVP & win DPOY?


Who won the Finals MVP?

It was 2004 all over again. Garnett riding the coattails of stellar perimeter players because he can't be relied upon to be the primary option on offense consistently. A bigman thats primary form of scoring is fade-away jump shots.



So now Wade>Garnett?

Yeah easily.

Look at Wades 2006 Heat cast. ****ing pathetic. Shaq averaged 12 PPG in the Finals and that was his only other relevant teammate. Let me know when Garnett carries a team single handily in the Finals averaging over 40 PPG over a 4 game stretch with an awful and inferior cast. Don't worry bro, his career isn't over yet, it could still happen.

Wade is a shaft. KG is a shaft rider. One guy can win you titles, and another can only win you titles with 3 other all-stars on a team in which he is a second fiddle.

Next.

[Freedom Kid7]

Oh really? Let's check the standings.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh! It looks like Wade got his team to a 5th seed with TRASH teammates. LOL. Now that shows the impact of an all-time great first option. Kobe did the same thing with his shittty Laker teams.
You used the same argument to prop up Wade as I used to defend KG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOmp3HpAGgM). Honestly, without a solid teammate (Shaq or Bron), Wade does not have a playoff record all that impressive. Hell, he missed the playoffs in his prime too, the year before 08. Does that mean he's garbage? No. Oh, and don't give me the injury garbage. He was 10 - 41 in W-L when he played.


Garnett? This guy can't even make the playoffs, let alone advance a round LOL. During his prime!!!!! LeBrons teams were constantly elite and he never lost in the first round. Fail comparison is fail. Lol @ a top 16 all-time player not making a 16 team playoffs in thier prime. What a joke.
He advanced in '04 beyond the first round, and his best teammate was Cassell. He was good, but come on he wasn't elite. His '04 Wolves had a better record than Wade's team did in '09, and Wade had better teammates.


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AlphaWolf is that you?

[iDunk]

Karl Malone

[TheBigVeto]

The Almighty Dirkrules, the 2nd GOAT PF.

[Freedom Kid7]

MiamiThrice, if you think Dirk is better than KG I won't argue there. You could make a case for either. But to say Garnett was a terrible first option is just absurd.

[MiamiThrice]

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh really? Let's check the standings.


You used the same argument to prop up Wade as I used to defend KG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOmp3HpAGgM). Honestly, without a solid teammate (Shaq or Bron), Wade does not have a playoff record all that impressive. Hell, he missed the playoffs in his prime too, the year before 08. Does that mean he's garbage? No. Oh, and don't give me the injury garbage. He was 10 - 41 in W-L when he played.


He advanced in '04 beyond the first round, and his best teammate was Cassell. He was good, but come on he wasn't elite. His '04 Wolves had a better record than Wade's team did in '09, and Wade had worse teammates.


AlphaWolf is that you?

-Wade made the playoffs in 09 with atrash cast.
-KG missed the playoffs 3 consecutive years in a row. He was healthy every year.

In the NBA more than half the ****ing teams make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means, but for one of the games all-time greatest? In his prime? Making the playoffs should be guaranteed, regardless of teammates. Injuries are the only excuse.

LOL the 08 Heat? Yeah bro Wade missing half the year with a dislocated shoulder and playing the other half with the same injury. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. It just showed how awful the Heat were without relying on Wade playing at an optimal level. They had the worst record in the league, but were back in the playoffs the very next year even with a bust draft pick(Beasley)

04 Wolves cast or the 09 Heatcast? Nice comparison. Is this a joke? LMFAO! :roll: :roll:

One cast has Cassell and Sprewell, two all-stars playing at a high level. The other has......Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers? After that comparison it is apparent you do not understand the game or it's history. You are not worthy to be discussing matters with the horsecocks such as myself.

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[Freedom Kid7]

-Wade made the playoffs in 09 with atrash cast.
-KG missed the playoffs 3 consecutive years in a row. He was healthy every year.

In the NBA more than half the ****ing teams make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means, but for one of the games all-time greatest? In his prime? Making the playoffs should be guaranteed, regardless of teammates. Injuries are the only excuse.

LOL the 08 Heat? Yeah bro Wade missing half the year with a dislocated shoulder and playing the other half with the same injury. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. It just showed how awful the Heat were without relying on Wade playing at an optimal level.

04 Wolves cast or the 09 Heatcast? Nice comparison. Is this a joke? LMFAO! :roll: :roll:

One cast has Cassell and Sprewell, two all-stars playing at a high level. The other has......Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers? After that comparison it is apparent you do not understand the game or it's history. You are not worthy to be discussing matters with the horsecocks such as myself.

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[MiamiThrice]

Just viewed Freedom Kids profile and it says he is 17 years old born in 1995. No wonder this idiot thought the 04 Wolves were a worse cast than the 09 Heat. He didn't even have pubes at the time. No way anyone watching basketball at the time would say such shit.

[KOBE143]

Karl Malone, David Robinson and Charles Barkley were all better than Lebrick James and should be rank higher than him.. Its fckng joke that Lebrick was at 11.. :facepalm

Vote for Karl Malone

[fpliii]

Karl Malone, David Robinson and Charles Barkley were all better than Lebrick James and should be rank higher than him.. Its fckng joke that Lebrick was at 11.. :facepalm

Vote for Karl Malone

I agree that LeBron's too high, I thought you said you were 14 though bro?

I guess you watched them play on YouTube (I watched a bunch of older series too, only started watching in 92)

[pauk]

Robinson has 2 rings, not 1.

Also, again, All Star MVP and Player of the Month really doesn't need to be included here, as we've debated already in the past. I'd also take out PER rating.

The numbers and other achievements speak for themselves.

Yea sorry, a typo.

Once again, i merely added as much as possible there is about NBA awards and stats, feel free to use and not use anything accordingly.

[Kblaze8855]

Kg would be at a glance the 6th player on this list to miss the playoffs in his prime. And he missed it winning 44 games the first time. The 3 seed that same year in the east won 45.

Like 4 people in this top 10 led worse teams than hes missed the playoffs with. Quite likely that given the same situation many times the same record results many times. Guys in discussion for this spot made the playoffs with 30 wins. Hell Elgin Baylor made it going 25-50. Oscar Robertson was sub.500 like 5 times in his prime. Jordan led a sub.500 team when he was probably as good as all but 4-5 people had ever been.

Shitty enough situation you wont win. Stay in that situation multiple years...you wont win for multiple years. Kareem didnt. Jordan didnt. Oscar didnt. Wilt didnt when he briefly had a garbage roster.

Make the playoffs or not....plenty of players led teams roughly on the level of KGs bad minnesota teams. Some of them already on this list. There are guys on this list who made the playoffs with 36 win teams. And 30. And 34. Pretty soon we will be able to say two of these guys combined to win 36 games one season in their primes.

But people only find it worth bringing up when its Kevin Garnett riding with Trenton Hassell and Troy Hudson.......

[BlackVVaves]

MiamiThrice, if you truly think the failure of the Twolves falls solely on KG and not the front office of the Timberwolves, then you are more blind and horrid of a poster than previously thought.

[MiamiThrice]

Kg would be at a glance the 6th player on this list to miss the playoffs in his prime. And he missed it winning 44 games the first time. The 3 seed that same year in the east won 45.

Like 4 people in this top 10 led worse teams than hes missed the playoffs with. Quite likely that given the same situation many times the same record results many times. Guys in discussion for this spot made the playoffs with 30 wins. Hell Elgin Baylor made it going 25-50. Oscar Robertson was sub.500 like 5 times in his prime. Jordan led a sub.500 team when he was probably as good as all but 4-5 people had ever been.

Shitty enough situation you wont win. Stay in that situation multiple years...you wont win for multiple years. Kareem didnt. Jordan didnt. Oscar didnt. Wilt didnt when he briefly had a garbage roster.

Make the playoffs or not....plenty of players led teams roughly on the level of KGs bad minnesota teams. Some of them already on this list. There are guys on this list who made the playoffs with 36 win teams. And 30. And 34. Pretty soon we will be able to say two of these guys combined to win 36 games one season in their primes.

But people only find it worth bringing up when its Kevin Garnett riding with Trenton Hassell and Troy Hudson.......

Not one player of the 15 listed so far were more synonymous with Irrelevancy than KG was in his prime with Minnesota. And I'm thinking it will be a while before we see a guy that has on this list.

Wilt,Oscar,Jordan. You can bring these guys up all you want. I'm not a big Oscar guy, but admittedly thats because I don't know much about him. What it comes down to is results and none of these guys ever had their teams as irrelevant for as long a time as KG did in Minnesota. They may have had a down year whether it to be injuries or what not, but in KGs case when it's over a decades worth of disappointment and failure? You have to eventually stop finding excuses and realize that guy just can't carry a team the way the greats of the greats can.

[Coffee Black]

Elgin Baylor

[BlueandGold]

David Robinson

:facepalm at KG getting the nod over him just because he won DPOY..

Some facts about the admiral

had a 71 point game (last game of the season, got him the scoring title)
1 of only two players in NBA history to have officially recorded a quadruple-double
2 time NBA champion
part of the original dream team

[Round Mound]

Prime Barkley was Actually a Top 10 Player...Even Broken Down Stats Suggest That...But Well..Where in ISH and Too Many 20 Year Olds Get To Vote and Never Saw Not Just Barkley.... but Malone or David Robinson Play.

Charles Barkley Career Play-Off Stats. 23 PPG (51% FG), 12.9 RPG, 3.9 APG, 1.6 SPG and 0.9 BPG

[fpliii]

David Robinson

:facepalm at KG getting the nod over him just because he won DPOY..

Some facts about the admiral

had a 71 point game (last game of the season, got him the scoring title)
1 of only two players in NBA history to have officially recorded a quadruple-double
2 time NBA champion
part of the original dream team

didn't both win DPOY?

[LBJMVP]

barkley

[BlackVVaves]

didn't both win DPOY?

People that didn't actually watch the NBA back in the early to mid 90s wouldn't know or remember that though.

[Kblaze8855]

Having glanced through this a bit you dont strike me as someone likely to have a reasonable conversation on this issue. And you remind me of someone else who likely just made a new account. The list of people who could witness KG average 24/15/5 and drop 30+ 20+ with every single field goal his team made in the 4th in game seven vs the Kings riding the coat tails of his sidekicks....is not long. If its two people im shocked.

Either way...as I said,,...,.you dont strike me as the type anything positive comes from.

Carry on until you go from merely uninformed and hating(acceptable..but bothersome) to uninformed and starting shit that has to go. I will pop back up around then to let you know. Staying at current level you will never hear from or be spoken to by me again.

Feel free to respond with an emoticon and as many as 3 over the top insults as long as at least one is amusing.

[Kblaze8855]

1 of only two players in NBA history to have officially recorded a quadruple-double

Look into that.

[BlackVVaves]

My only question for MiamiThrice is, whose sock puppet account are you?

You're clearly a troll account, though you can't even troll properly, as most people just stop engaging with you altogether, as displayed in the last 2 pages of this thread.

Your posts make Kennethgriffin seem like Socrates.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#16 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

15- Kevin Garnett
13- Karl Malone
8- Charles Barkley
7- Elgin Baylor
5- Dirk Nowitzki
5- Isiah Thomas
2- David Robinson
2- George Mikan
2- Scottie Pippen
1- John Havlicek
1- Bob Pettit

[L.Kizzle]

Waiting on an explanation on how Karl Malone is greater than Elgin Baylor?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Waiting on an explanation on how Karl Malone is greater than Elgin Baylor?
More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists

Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.

Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.

[1987_Lakers]

Kevin Garnett

[MisterAmazing]

Kevin Garnett, the beast

http://bostoncelticswallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Kevin-Garnett-9.jpg

[miles berg]

Dirk Nowitzki

[G-train]

More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists

Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.

Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.

Terrible post. Educate yourself.
I despise Bill Simmons but he knows more about Elgin than you at least.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081008

[G-train]

Baylor is an all time great and a better NBA player than Dr J.

Elgin Baylor.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Terrible post. Educate yourself.
I despise Bill Simmons but he knows more about Elgin than you at least.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081008
Great article.
****ing Boston fans :facepalm Broke into Russell's home trashed it and took a shit in his bed :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Kews1]

Great article.
****ing Boston fans :facepalm Broke into Russell's home trashed it and took a shit in his bed :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

It's true that what was done to Russell was disgusting, but your misusing and misrepresenting the information by implying that it was done by "Boston fans". All it says in relation to the culprits is that they were his neighbors, dosnt say it was fans of the celtics. Do you really think celtics fans would break into their best players house and proceed to defecate upon his bed. No, i dont think celtics fans would do that.

[BlackVVaves]

It's true that what was done to Russell was disgusting, but your misusing and misrepresenting the information by implying that it was done by "Boston fans". All it says in relation to the culprits is that they were his neighbors, dosnt say it was fans of the celtics. Do you really think celtics fans would break into their best players house and proceed to defecate upon his bed. No, i dont think celtics fans would do that.

You vastly underestimate the strength of racism in the 50s.

[Kews1]

You vastly underestimate the strength of racism in the 50s.

Untill something can be presented as fact, dont use your personal assumptions to come to conclusions. It says nothing about Celtics fans and it is more likely that it wasnt Celtics fans. Yes racism did run that deep but in this particular article it dosnt make mention of that what-so-ever so assuming it is celtics fans is wrong

[maybeshewill13]

KGGGGG da gawd :bowdown:

[Harison]

Wow KG getting overrated hard, this is a guy who proved in his career he was incapable of being built around as the first option. When I'm talking top 20 players all-time I want guys that can lead me to a title. At least Malone had his teams consistently elite. KG couldn't even make the playoffs IN HIS PRIME.

Is that a troll post? Malone never led his team to the title, Garnett did as a first option. Malone lost many times when he was favorite, Garnett always won when he was expected to, and sometimes he managed to pull some upsets.

To have consistently elite team, Malone had Stockton (GOAT pass-first PG) and a HOF coach, KG had neither till Celtics. Once Garnett got a solid Celtics team, he instantly won it all.

About your last point, with a trash teams prime Kareem also missed Playoffs, so did Kobe in his prime. Put Malone on those trash Wolves, and he would have done even worse, since he cant play all positions on both sides of the floor, as Garnett had to.

[L.Kizzle]

More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists

Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.

Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.
There were only 3 MVPs during Baylors playing days. And sure he'll get more pointss, boards, assist, all star games (Malon has 14 all stars and Baylor played 13 seasons.) When you look at it, Baylors peak he avg more points, rebouds and assist.

[lakersfan2046]

I will go with Zeke

[G.O.A.T]

solid vote

much more of a case than Mikan (who people voted for in the last thread), who did nothing of note after the advent of the shot clock

He retired before the shot clocked and made a half-hearted attempt at a comeback over a year later. His body was already broken down when he retired in 1954. Who cares what he did after the shot clock, during his eight professional seasons before it he won seven Championships (was injured the only year his team didn't win) and was MVP or the top All-League vote-getter six times.

He changed the offensive and defensive philosophy of the game, changed the rules, the dimensions of the court and as much as any player (actually more than any player) he is the reason Syracuse owner Danny Biasone conceived the shot clock. It was the famous 19-18 game between Mikan's Lakers and the Ft. Wayne Zollner Pistons where heavy stalling was used to keep the ball away from Mikan that put in motion the revolutionary rule change that so many players hold against Mikan claiming it is proof that his career was a symptom of his era.

Mikan's dominance was a result of his era in part, but the new era that followed was a result of Mikan's dominance to an even larger degree.

[kurple]

There were only 3 MVPs during Baylors playing days. And sure he'll get more pointss, boards, assist, all star games (Malon has 14 all stars and Baylor played 13 seasons.) When you look at it, Baylors peak he avg more points, rebouds and assist.
are we comparing peaks?

[Ne 1]

I know he isn't going to win here, but I'll vote for Scottie Pippen to get him some recognition for the next few rankings hopefully.

IMO he's top 15-20 all-time. 6 rings, the GOAT perimeter defender and was a MVP caliber player. He was at least a top 5 player (and the best all-around player) and the best SF during his prime.

[pegasus]

Dirk!

[goldcrow]

Dirk Nowitzki for leading a team with no all-stars to a championship. But like with what many have said, it's a toss-up amongst ~5 players, rank them based on which achievement you value most.

[Coffee Black]

More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists

Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.

Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.

You know nothing about Elgin Baylor. Anybody could just look his Wikipedia page and say what you did. Baylor took the Minneapolis Lakers to the Finals in his rookie season, with no Jerry West. Baylor was the original high fly act in the NBA. He still holds the record for most points scored in an NBA finals game with 61. By the time Wilt came to the team in '69 Baylor's body had been been slowing down for years due to his knee problems starting in 1965. What I find to be most impressive is his whole year of 1962. He was only able to play in half the games of the season because of his commitments to the US military. He only played in games when he could get weekend passes. But he still dominated with 38 points a game when he played, led the Lakers to the best record in the western division, and one shot away from winning the championship against Boston.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Dirk Nowitzki for leading a team with no all-stars to a championship. But like with what many have said, it's a toss-up amongst ~5 players, rank them based on which achievement you value most.

Amazing how some people still underrate Dirk's place on the all time list.The guy won a ring with a team of role players. Every they played had more talent than them.

Dirk>>>>KG

[RRR3]

Dirk should send LeBron flowers for the rest of his life :oldlol:
LeBron's choke in the finals has done wonders for Dirk's legacy:roll:


I vote KG

[goldcrow]

Dirk should send LeBron flowers for the rest of his life :oldlol:
LeBron's choke in the finals has done wonders for Dirk's legacy:roll:


I vote KG

I'll assume you only watched the finals and not the rest of the playoffs. Dirk's playoff run that year was legendary, beating teams in convincing fashion while being the underdogs the whole time. Don't hate the big german for being the backbone of a franchise. KG's cool and all but putting him in Dirk's place won't win them any rings.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I don't think it matters what players you put around KG. No team was going to win with him as the lead dog.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Dirk should send LeBron flowers for the rest of his life :oldlol:
LeBron's choke in the finals has done wonders for Dirk's legacy:roll:


I vote KG


They swept the hell out of the Lakers. Lebron choking shouldn't change the fact Dirk carried that average team to the Finals.

[JellyBean]

My vote would go for George Mikkan as #16. Or Scottie Pippen for #16

[JellyBean]

Wow. No Karl Malone? I vote for Karl Malone as #16

[Remix]

Wow...My man Elgin getting seriously disrespected...It's gonna be a shame if he doesn't even make top 20.

[Kblaze8855]

I don't think it matters what players you put around KG. No team was going to win with him as the lead dog.



Except the one he was 3rd in MVP voting on, all NBA first team, the leading scorer and rebounder in the playoffs, the leading 4th quarter scorer, and DPOY on a team that won with defense before he had like 27/16 to finish off the lakers. As his teammate from the time said:

[Harison]

Great post as always, Kblaze.

[MiamiThrice]

Except the one he was 3rd in MVP voting on, all NBA first team, the leading scorer and rebounder in the playoffs, the leading 4th quarter scorer, and DPOY on a team that won with defense before he had like 27/16 to finish off the lakers. As his teammate from the time said:


“This is my seventh year in the N.B.A. I’ve been to the finals twice, and those teams were great. But they were not like this team,” Scalabrine says. “And the reason why is Kevin Garnett. The media perception about Garnett is real. When Kevin walks into the facility and the weight room, he jokes around and makes fun of guys. But then about 15 minutes before practice, it’s all focus. It’s all work. If he is not clear about something, we don’t move on until we are all clear. He solves a lot of problems. I mean, I’ve played with good players. I played with Jason Kidd, and Kidd is an incredible gamer. But he was never as demanding of his teammates the way Kevin is. Not half as much. Not a quarter as much.”

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"You want a book? I can give you a book. I could sum it up in three words _ we have accountability," he said. "Kevin demands a high level of perfection out there. When we're tied, he's upset. That's how it is. The bar is set so high and that's where it needs to be set."




But that isnt leading the team because Paul Pierce had a 38 point loss in the finals that gave him the MVP while playing some of the worst postseason ball he ever had for much of the playoffs.

You can hate all you like. KG led that team. He was the driving force from the day he arrived and ive heard half the players and Doc Rivers say so.

3rd in MVP Voting because of his team won like 65+ games. Just shows that he wasn't a real superstar by not winning the award despite the massive team accolade which the media always takes into consideration. If KG plays the exact same way, but his team wins 40 games due to teammates getting hurt and other things he can't effect then he isn't even top ten. His "3rd in NBA MVP accomplishment"(lol what a joke) is a team driven award rewarded for the stacked team he was on.

Sorry, but I'm not going to care when a guy averages 18 PPG 10 RPG as being "the dominant leader".

KG was the third leading scorer in the NBA Finals. 18 PPG on 43% from the field as a bigman. Pierce and Allen both averaed 20+ PPG. KG was not the first option when Boston won that title. That Boston team won because they had an overall stacked team, and incredible depth. Giving KG sole credit is laughable as best and just exposes the mancrush you have on him.

The 2008 Celtics were not built around KG, they simply added KG to their core which is when he is most successful. KG is a complimentary star for a winner, not THE star. When I talk all-time greats I want guys I can build around and win. Malone may not have won a title, but his teams were consistantly elite and if the ball bounced differently a few times he easily has a ring. KG isn't even in that conversation when he had a team catored to him. All he cared about was being the most payed player in the league prohibiting Minny from surrounding him with quality talent via Free agency.

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KG isn't even in that conversation when he had a team catored to him. All he cared about was being the most payed player in the league prohibiting Minny from surrounding him with quality talent via Free agency.
Just like Kobe's contract has prohibited LA from surrounding him with talent this year, right?

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Let's really think about why Charles Barkley or Karl Malone or Kevin Garnett have a better NBA legacy than Bob Pettit.

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Kg at 16. WTF??

Dirks better and he's 6 spots lower. But still KG at 16???? :oldlol:

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Cant believe Zeke fell down to #25

thought he was gonna win this one after two pages