Dwyane Wade is insanely disrespected on ISH.

[EnoughSaid]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/923112/heat_medium.gif

This is getting ridiculous. People are trashing him in every way possible. WHY?! Just because he gets frustrated for not getting a call once in a while? :facepalm Is that a reason to hate someone so much and to discredit all of their accomplishments? His 06 Finals doesn't count, his 08-09 season wasn't even that good, Allen Iverson is million times better, he's not even in the same breath as Jerry West, and he's DONE. How can people say he's done?! :facepalm Basically playing on one knee, and hurt all season, he still managed to put up a top 3 performance in the Playoffs, on a top 5 defensive team. Come on now. Let's relax and take off our tinted goggles.

Oh and one more thing, I also adore the fact that people hate on Wade because he took a step back and let LeBron take over. That's what a true leader, teammate and best friend does. He knew that LeBron had to have a free mindset and not have to worry about getting Wade involved. And you people hate on him for that? Come on now. :rolleyes:

[fpliii]

:cheers:

[Dictator]

THIS is why Wade gets no love.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/d-wade-tantrum.gif

[LBJMVP]

maybe because people have no respect for the way he plays.


he is a bitch... flails and flops and then gets pissed at the refs for no calls. not just no calls, but calls that werent even close to fouls.

that gif above perfectly describes wade... he has one of the moments almost every game.

[DStebb716]

people are talking like he's an all-time great on here. that's disrespect? no. he's being overrated on here.

[EnoughSaid]

THIS is why Wade gets no love.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/d-wade-tantrum.gif

Okay. So now we're going to discredit his achievements, hate on him constantly, and devalue his status as a player just because he happens to complain? :facepalm :wtf: :banghead:

[SpecialQue]

Maybe a lot of people here just think that he acts like a bitch on the court during games. That's why I can't stand the guy.

[Heavincent]

http://i.imgur.com/HuR88.gif

[TheBigVeto]

Dude has always been overrated since Stern rigged the 2006 finals in his favor.
It's good that people here brings DWhistle back to earth.

[LBJMVP]

http://i.imgur.com/HuR88.gif

still one of my alltime favorite memes
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lywfy9Wgrx1rock8jo1_400.png

[EnoughSaid]

Maybe a lot of people here just think that he acts like a bitch on the court during games. That's why I can't stand the guy.

:roll: Oh my god here we go again. Why are people assuming that all he does is EVERYTIME down the court he runs into a dude, throws up a wild shot, and cries and whines?! That happens at most twice or three times in a game. He is an elite player, has a crazy array of moves, and doesn't need constant free throws to be great like people assume.

[SpecialQue]

http://i.imgur.com/HuR88.gif

That is still the greatest shit ever. He waits to see if the ball goes in, and when it doesn't he holds his eye and acts like someone stuck a knife in it.

[Fiasco]

He gets incredibly overrated. Just last year people were comparing him to Jordan.

[pauk]

I agree.

[CavaliersFTW]

Your just mad because people think Jerry West is a better shooting guard. There's nothing wrong with being below Jerry West - the OP of that other thread was disrespecting West by using >>> symbols - so he got ethered. That's all. Wade is a top tier SG all-time no doubt. But in any sensical fans opinions he's behind Jerry West. Talent-wise, he is close due to his ability to penetrate which makes up for his relative lack of ability to shoot. By the end of their careers the gap will shrink even more. But still, he doesn't seem on pace to even pass West much less be propped up to compare to him right now.

[Heavincent]

EVERYTIME down the court he runs into a dude, throws up a wild shot, and cries and whines

Yup, that's pretty much what he does.

[LBJMVP]

:roll: Oh my god here we go again. Why are people assuming that all he does is EVERYTIME down the court he runs into a dude, throws up a wild shot, and cries and whines?! That happens at most twice or three times in a game. He is an elite player, has a crazy array of moves, and doesn't need constant free throws to be great like people assume.


it happens almost every time he drives... then when he doesnt get the call he bitches about it.

i dont have respect for him or his playstyle... that is why is disrepected.
people don't have respect for whiny bitches.

[EnoughSaid]

I don't care if you guys like him or not, I just want you to at least respect his accomplishments and stop acting like he's some random scrub. I honestly was never found of Kobe, but I still RESPECT the guy, and count him as one of the All-Time Greats respectively. There are sooooo many reasons to dislike him, but that doesn't mean I take away all of his achievements. :facepalm

[demons2005]

maybe because people have no respect for the way he plays.


he is a bitch... flails and flops and then gets pissed at the refs for no calls. not just no calls, but calls that werent even close to fouls.

that gif above perfectly describes wade... he has one of the moments almost every game.
That sounds like CP3 not Wade and to the x10 degree. The interesting thing is Wade was considered a top 3 player until Golden Boy showed up. Then suddenly BSPN started to portray him as a regular all-star and nothing more so as to allow Lebron excuses if he fails and to make him the clear best on his team

[SpecialQue]

:roll: Oh my god here we go again. Why are people assuming that all he does is EVERYTIME down the court he runs into a dude, throws up a wild shot, and cries and whines?! That happens at most twice or three times in a game. He is an elite player, has a crazy array of moves, and doesn't need constant free throws to be great like people assume.

I just don't like the guy. It's my bias. Everyone has players that they just don't like. I hate how he plays the game, I hate how he acts, and nothing was more delicious last season than seeing him answer reporters who kept asking him about how awesome it was that Lebron won MVP again.

He's obviously skilled, and he can play great and hit a clutch shot. I just happen to think he's a piece of shit, so I'll hardly ever give him credit for anything. Fvck Wade.

[Young X]

I agree 100%, I have never seen an elite player get as overlooked/disrespected as Wade.

[EnoughSaid]

it happens almost every time he drives... then when he doesnt get the call he bitches about it.

i dont have respect for him or his playstyle... that is why is disrepected.
people don't have respect for whiny bitches.

:rolleyes: Almost everytime?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWCVEDwE5I

Take off your hating goggles, and look at that video. Against the tough and griddy Pacers, in THEIR home arena. Oh yeah. He's definitely driving in and whining for calls every single time down the floor...

[Horde of Temujin]

With good reason. For the same reasons why some players get disrespected at the park. Players who play hard and dirty like Wade can be tolerated but once they start bitching about calls on the other end all credibility is lost.

[Dictator]

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DWYANE-WADE-DIRTY-PLAYER.gif

[AlonzoGOAT]

Your just mad because people think Jerry West is a better shooting guard. There's nothing wrong with being 1 tier below Jerry West - we aren't acting like it's "not debatable" but the OP of that other thread was disrespecting West by using >>> symbols - so he got ethered. That's all. Wade is a top tier SG all-time no doubt. In most fans opinions he's behind Jerry West, but that doesn't mean they all think he's not even close. Talent-wise, he is close due to his ability to penetrate which makes up for his relative lack of ability to shoot. By the end of their careers the gap will shrink even more.
What jerry did for the game is great but in todays league I'll take Wade over Jerry and it's not close.

[ganja0710]

:roll:

dude, nobody's HATING on his achievements. he's a 2 time champion, thats great. the shit he does on the court compared to who he is off the court is what makes him so unlikable. get your HOMER glasses off, 2010 (that's your name now).

[AlonzoGOAT]

:rolleyes: Almost everytime?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWCVEDwE5I

Take off your hating goggles, and look at that video. Against the tough and griddy Pacers, in THEIR home arena. Oh yeah. He's definitely driving in and whining for calls every single time down the floor...
agreed :applause: Kyrie Irving hasn't had a game nearly half as great as that too. Some people just can't trigger bias on/off

[EnoughSaid]

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DWYANE-WADE-DIRTY-PLAYER.gif

Lmao okay. So I guess Danny Granger talking tooooo much shit, and Hansbrough mauling Wade over don't count, am I right? :facepalm

[AlonzoGOAT]

:roll:

dude, nobody's HATING on his achievements. he's a 2 time champion, thats great. the shit he does on the court compared to who he is off the court is what makes him so unlikable. get your HOMER glasses off, 2010 (that's your name now).
What do you mean by what he does off the court? What has he done that's so bad off the court?

[no pun intended]

World Trade Center comments.

Dirk's cough.

Olympic salary.

Nope, still not earning my respect.

[BEAST Griffin]

Kobe tard double standards. Iverson over Wade despite Wade's rings.

[AlonzoGOAT]

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DWYANE-WADE-DIRTY-PLAYER.gif
you post that yet you forget your boy kobe sucker elbowed miller because he's kobe can't fight for shit :lol

[EnoughSaid]

World Trade Center comments - maybe an over exaggeration, yeah, but was very true. Especially through that 9-8 start and 5 game losing streak later in the year.

Dirk's cough - I'll admit, yes, wasn't that cool.

Olympic salary - agreeing with Ray Allen. Nothing bad at all.


:facepalm

[DuMa]

he came off a bad year imho. injury plagued and didnt perform up to expectations as him being a clear cut #1 SG. part of it was deferring to lebron really. he started the year setting aside to let lebron be the man because of the way 2011 finals ended. So he had to adjust to being a deferring 2nd tier star on his team. thats a big adjustment for anyone who had been leading his team year in and year out since 2006. Wade is still top 5 player in my eyes and any top 5 player will get disrespected and hated on if you perform as badly as he did. its just natural hate. comes with the territory of being an elite player. same for dwight, durant, lebron or cp3.

[ganja0710]

What do you mean by what he does off the court? What has he done that's so bad off the court?
nothing, which was my point. dude seems like a genuine, humble dude off the court. but when his shit doesn't go his way on the court, he cries like a little bitch. both him and lebron. the pre-madonnas of the NBA. :oldlol:

[Young X]

Why are people acting like Kobe and LeBron don't do the same things Wade does (whining to the refs, flopping)?

[EnoughSaid]

http://gablesmavens.com/files/2012/08/dwyane-wade-book-coral-gables1.jpg

:bowdown:

[TheMan]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/923112/heat_medium.gif

This is getting ridiculous. People are trashing him in every way possible. WHY?! Just because he gets frustrated for not getting a call once in a while? :facepalm Is that a reason to hate someone so much and to discredit all of their accomplishments? His 06 Finals doesn't count, his 08-09 season wasn't even that good, Allen Iverson is million times better, he's not even in the same breath as Jerry West, and he's DONE. How can people say he's done?! :facepalm Basically playing on one knee, and hurt all season, he still managed to put up a top 3 performance in the Playoffs, on a top 5 defensive team. Come on now. Let's relax and take off our tinted goggles.

Oh and one more thing, I also adore the fact that people hate on Wade because he took a step back and let LeBron take over. That's what a true leader, teammate and best friend does. He knew that LeBron had to have a free mindset and not have to worry about getting Wade involved. And you people hate on him for that? Come on now. :rolleyes:

:sleeping

negged

[AlonzoGOAT]

World Trade Center comments.

Dirk's cough.

Olympic salary.

Nope, still not earning my respect.
Lost all credibility there this comment said in 2010 hurt your feeling?

"We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."

Lol your such a little bitch

[no pun intended]

:facepalm
Can you at least used the quoting option correctly, instead of putting words in my mouth like a politician.

Anyhow, overexaggerated or not, comparing anything to the WTC tragedy is heinous and despicable.

[Dictator]

you post that yet you forget your boy kobe sucker elbowed miller because he's kobe can't fight for shit :lol

Not even related to the gif nor the thread topic. :facepalm :rolleyes:

[LBJMVP]

:rolleyes: Almost everytime?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWCVEDwE5I

Take off your hating goggles, and look at that video. Against the tough and griddy Pacers, in THEIR home arena. Oh yeah. He's definitely driving in and whining for calls every single time down the floor...


you can hear him scream "HEEEYYY" in the second highlight :lol

i know this is nitpicking, and it has nothing to do with the arguement, but i have a serious question... isnt that a double dribble at 45 seconds?

flail and falls to the ground on the highlight immediately after the 45 second dunk.

complains to the ref at 4:40


great game by wade no doubt, but you can defintely pick out how he flails when he drives and complains to the refs.

[PJR]

Eh..Not really. Just appears so because there's a large contingent of Laker/Bryant fanatics on this forum, and they have a resentment towards Wade (and LeBron) for obvious reasons. You remove them, it's not that serious.

[AlonzoGOAT]

nothing, which was my point. dude seems like a genuine, humble dude off the court. but when his shit doesn't go his way on the court, he cries like a little bitch. both him and lebron. the pre-madonnas of the NBA. :oldlol:
Lol lebron cries too? Have you watched kobe last season :roll: They must be the only superstars :rolleyes:

[LBJMVP]

Why are people acting like Kobe and LeBron don't do the same things Wade does (whining to the refs, flopping)?


lebron doesnt do it anymore... he did a whole lot in 2010-2011, but almost quit doing it all together last season.


kobe is one of the biggest complainers ever... but atleast he does flail all over the place and flop.

[ganja0710]

**** i wish i saved that pic i made of 2010 over here. :roll:

unless somebody wants to dig it up in that other thread he made.

[EnoughSaid]

lebron doesnt do it anymore... he did a whole lot in 2010-2011, but almost quit doing it all together last season.


kobe is one of the biggest complainers ever... but atleast he does flail all over the place and flop.

Flailing and flopping? Show me a legit video of Wade flopping? :wtf:

[miller-time]

it is frustrating to watch a player with his ability purposefully play for the whistle. he should drive with the intent of scoring, not with the intent of getting a call. even if it is tactfully advantageous it is not fun or interesting for the fans.

i don't mind a player selling a bit to get a call, but i don't like it when they make moves just to get a call. it doesn't matter if he whinges or not, if he is making the move solely to get a call then it is bad form.

[EnoughSaid]

**** i wish i saved that pic i made of 2010 over here. :roll:

unless somebody wants to dig it up in that other thread he made.

What does this have to do with anything? I joined in 2010, yes, so? :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Op is a f.aggot. But he is also correct

[GOBB]

Iverson is more disrespected. Not even up for a debate.

As far as Wade? People just hate. AI its FG%, Wade its fouls. Its like stfu and appreciate legends before your eyes.

[AlonzoGOAT]

Not even related to the gif nor the thread topic. :facepalm :rolleyes:
It's a double standard if that's why to don't respect wade according to that gif :hammerhead:

[LBJMVP]

agreed :applause: Kyrie Irving hasn't had a game nearly half as great as that too. Some people just can't trigger bias on/off


a 29/9/9 on 53% percent shooting against atlanta last year.

sure it wasn't in the playoffs, but that game was defintely more that half as great as wades.


comparing the two at this stage is really fair either... but as for games half as good at wades... kyrie has had plenty.

[ganja0710]

Lol lebron cries too? Have you watched kobe last season :roll: They must be the only superstars :rolleyes:
kobe? this thread's about wade, somewhat goes for lebron too since they're teammates. but kobe? oh wait, do you assume im a kobe "stan" just because im in this thread knocking on wade? wrong. nice try. :oldlol:

[coin24]

I dunno why wade even tries to get to the line so badly, he is a horrible free throw shooter:oldlol: Seen him brick so many in 4th qtrs..
He played well in the finals despite being injured. Played like shit in the rounds before that though.. Not sure how he's sooo disrespected, op is full of shit.

[LBJMVP]

Flailing and flopping? Show me a legit video of Wade flopping? :wtf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lX_qMS9bRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuukM40T974

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydhtOSlfW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZKGlHfukc4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI1PPYOk

those are all game 6 of the 2006 finals



and of course this one....
this is how the nba makes dwyane wade untouchable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aySGUzzxjGE


that was a quick search to... there is plenty more where that came from

[TheCorporation]

people are talking like he's an all-time great on here. that's disrespect? no. he's being overrated on here.

He is an all-time great...And he DOES get disrespected/underrated on here...

[AlonzoGOAT]

a 29/9/9 on 53% percent shooting against atlanta last year.

sure it wasn't in the playoffs, but that game was defintely more that half as great as wades.


comparing the two at this stage is really fair either... but as for games half as good at wades... kyrie has had plenty.
Not even close against atlanta in the regular season? While wade turns it on in a game where the series is on the line to a game where the shit franchise has nothing to hope for against atlanta in the regular season ?! :lol Those number are close to lebrons averages but hey you overrate greatness when yu rarely see it I guess :confusedshrug:

[TheMan]

I don't care if you guys like him or not, I just want you to at least respect his accomplishments and stop acting like he's some random scrub. I honestly was never found of Kobe, but I still RESPECT the guy, and count him as one of the All-Time Greats respectively. There are sooooo many reasons to dislike him, but that doesn't mean I take away all of his achievements. :facepalm
Liar, or else you wouldn't start this crap thread and have it blow up in your face.

Wade is a top 40-45 all time player, stop overrating his whiny bitch ass.

No one respects whiny cvnts.

[PJR]

Iverson is more disrespected. Not even up for a debate.

As far as Wade? People just hate. AI its FG%, Wade its fouls. Its like stfu and appreciate legends before your eyes.

Truth.

[Young X]

lebron doesnt do it anymore... he did a whole lot in 2010-2011, but almost quit doing it all together last season.


kobe is one of the biggest complainers ever... but atleast he does flail all over the place and flop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub0Joa64f1o&t=1m40s

[ganja0710]

What does this have to do with anything? I joined in 2010, yes, so? :confusedshrug:
nothing at all, it's just really easy to throw shots at somebody like you.

here you are complaining about Wade's place as a player, but you've been following the NBA for only 3 years. :oldlol: Wade's rep on this board is correct, as it should be.

[SpecialQue]

I love how, once again, people are bringing up Kobe in a thread that has NOTHING to do with him.

[AlonzoGOAT]

kobe? this thread's about wade, somewhat goes for lebron too since they're teammates. but kobe? oh wait, do you assume im a kobe "stan" just because im in this thread knocking on wade? wrong. nice try. :oldlol:
No it actually it doesn't retard it's a thread about wade but since your talking about complaining about calls kobe has clearly complained all season long about them more then most superstars including lebron. I can see why your in red rep, can't keep retards posting like they have credibility :applause:

[longtime lurker]

Looks at OP's join date....ah it all makes sense. Who underrates Wade? If anything he's overrated living off 1 finals series and 1 season. If I was to believe the insane rantings of Heat fans Wade is already the 2nd greatest guard to ever play lol

[takai]

I love how, once again, people are bringing up Kobe in a thread that has NOTHING to do with him.

This.

[EnoughSaid]

nothing at all, it's just really easy to throw shots at somebody like you.

here you are complaining about Wade's place as a player, but you've been following the NBA for only 3 years. :oldlol: Wade's rep on this board is correct, as it should be.

Okay.. :confusedshrug: I still don't see the point you're trying to make here.

[AlonzoGOAT]

I love how, once again, people are bringing up Kobe/LeBron/Jordan/Jerry West in a thread that has NOTHING to do with them.
fixed your half ass post

[The Iron Fist]

What do you expect for a guy who led his team to 15 wins in the eastern conference?

[Horde of Temujin]

Iverson is more disrespected. Not even up for a debate.

As far as Wade? People just hate. AI its FG%, Wade its fouls. Its like stfu and appreciate legends before your eyes.


There is a lot to admire about Iverson. He played with heart and imo carried himself well but something is amiss with Wade. He just comes off asa primadonna GQ wannabe.

Wade is a great player but he plays the wrong way and he has benefitted from questionable officiating which is not his fault if Stern wants it that way but it disgusts me to see basketball reduced to such pettiness.
The 2006 finals disillusioned me and the 2012 ECF did so as well, game 2 in particular.

[ganja0710]

No it actually it doesn't retard it's a thread about wade but since your talking about complaining about calls kobe has clearly complained all season long about them more then most superstars including lebron. I can see why your in red rep, can't keep retards posting like they have credibility :applause:
when does class start for you? you've got some catching up to do in your english class. try to make sense first before throwing out the word "retard", retard. :oldlol: i could CARE LESS about what kobe does, and doesn't do. he complains. i know. do i care? no. im not a Kobe fan. not even at the slightest bit. this thread's about Wade you dolt. everything that everybody has said about wade here is true. move on, quit being mad. :cry:

[SpecialQue]

fixed your half ass post

Ahem:



This is getting ridiculous. People are trashing him in every way possible. WHY?! Just because he gets frustrated for not getting a call once in a while? :facepalm Is that a reason to hate someone so much and to discredit all of their accomplishments? His 06 Finals doesn't count, his 08-09 season wasn't even that good, Allen Iverson is million times better, he's not even in the same breath as Jerry West, and he's DONE. How can people say he's done?! :facepalm Basically playing on one knee, and hurt all season, he still managed to put up a top 3 performance in the Playoffs, on a top 5 defensive team. Come on now. Let's relax and take off our tinted goggles.

Oh and one more thing, I also adore the fact that people hate on Wade because he took a step back and let LeBron take over. That's what a true leader, teammate and best friend does. He knew that LeBron had to have a free mindset and not have to worry about getting Wade involved. And you people hate on him for that? Come on now. :rolleyes:

Right in the OP. No Jordan though.

[EnoughSaid]

What do you expect for a guy who led his team to 15 wins in the eastern conference?

:roll: Oh please. Played in only 51 games, injury riddled all year.

[LBJMVP]

Not even close against atlanta in the regular season? While wade turns it on in a game where the series is on the line to a game where the shit franchise has nothing to hope for against atlanta in the regular season ?! :lol Those number are close to lebrons averages but hey you overrate greatness when yu rarely see it I guess :confusedshrug:


your the one trying to say that kyrie doesnt have a game half as good as the one wade did.

trying to compare a rookie irving who got drafted as the number 1 pick and obviously isnt gonna have a playoff game to wade.

[LBJMVP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub0Joa64f1o&t=1m40s


how was that a flop?

he ran into a pick he didnt see and instead of bumping into wade and drawing a foul he had to jump behind him.

[ganja0710]

Okay.. :confusedshrug: I still don't see the point you're trying to make here.
exactly how everybody feels on why you've made this thread. you talk like you've made a point. you dont and you didnt. what's your argument for Wade even? that he only whines and cries 2-3 times a game? and? :oldlol:

[WockaVodka]

Most people know how good Wade is, most people just don't like him.

[EnoughSaid]

exactly how everybody feels on why you've made this thread. you talk like you've made a point. you dont and you didnt. what's your argument for Wade even? that he only whines and cries 2-3 times a game? and? :oldlol:

I just don't understand the people that constantly discredit him and his career. They act like he's a guy that can only live through the refs, which is beyond incorrect. Wade is easily a Top 25-30 player of all time, and people need to understand that.

[ganja0710]

OP's been following Wade for only 3 years and here he is complaining how Wade is underrated and where he should be on the all time list. :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Most people know how good Wade is, most people just don't like him.


This

Same with Manu and Pierce. I hate their on court antics, but I respect their game.

[JellyBean]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/923112/heat_medium.gif

This is getting ridiculous. People are trashing him in every way possible. WHY?! Just because he gets frustrated for not getting a call once in a while? :facepalm Is that a reason to hate someone so much and to discredit all of their accomplishments? His 06 Finals doesn't count, his 08-09 season wasn't even that good, Allen Iverson is million times better, he's not even in the same breath as Jerry West, and he's DONE. How can people say he's done?! :facepalm Basically playing on one knee, and hurt all season, he still managed to put up a top 3 performance in the Playoffs, on a top 5 defensive team. Come on now. Let's relax and take off our tinted goggles.

Oh and one more thing, I also adore the fact that people hate on Wade because he took a step back and let LeBron take over. That's what a true leader, teammate and best friend does. He knew that LeBron had to have a free mindset and not have to worry about getting Wade involved. And you people hate on him for that? Come on now. :rolleyes:


I have no issue with D-Wade. I mean since he came into the league, to me, he has been the ultimate all around player. I have mad respect for Wade and all that he has accomplished. And I love the fact that you brought about the issue about Wade taking a step back to let Lebron (another player that I respect) get the shine. Great point. To me, that is greatest in a nutshell. Wade could have been the alpha dog and made things really interesting in Miami but he did not and I respect that. I respect Wade.

Now I am going to watch this Miami/Dallas game #6 replay. :D

[BrickingStar]

when does class start for you? you've got some catching up to do in your english class. try to make sense first before throwing out the word "retard", retard. :oldlol: i could CARE LESS about what kobe does, and doesn't do. he complains. i know. do i care? no. im not a Kobe fan. not even at the slightest bit. this thread's about Wade you dolt. everything that everybody has said about wade here is true. move on, quit being mad. :cry:
Speaking of english class, this post :facepalm :lol

[EnoughSaid]

OP's been following Wade for only 3 years and here he is complaining how Wade is underrated and where he should be on the all time list. :oldlol:

So you're telling me that all of the people putting out their Top 10 lists were alive to see Wilt, Russ, Oscar and West play? :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wade is only given credit on here when posters feel the need to tear Lebron down

[ganja0710]

I just don't understand the people that constantly discredit him and his career. They act like he's a guy that can only live through the refs, which is beyond incorrect. Wade is easily a Top 25-30 player of all time, and people need to understand that.
:oldlol:

[RRR3]

people are talking like he's an all-time great on here. that's disrespect? no. he's being overrated on here.
:facepalm Wade IS an all-time great.

[ganja0710]

Speaking of english class, this post :facepalm :lol
there's gramatically nothing wrong with my post, clown. :oldlol: unless you're one to nit pick about capitals. btw, you forgot a period at the end of your sentence brah.

[coin24]

I just don't understand the people that constantly discredit him and his career. They act like he's a guy that can only live through the refs, which is beyond incorrect. Wade is easily a Top 25-30 player of all time, and people need to understand that.


No... Not even close:facepalm :facepalm

[BlueandGold]

Kinda, but not as much as

David Robinson , IMO the most disrespected player on ISH

[The Iron Fist]

:roll: Oh please. Played in only 51 games, injury riddled all year.
In those 51 games, with wade, they won about 10.

So w wade, 10-41.

:roll:


Not a good look.

[EnoughSaid]

In those 51 games, with wade, they won about 10.

So w wade, 10-41.

:roll:


Not a good look.

Like I said, injury riddled season. Look what he did when he came back next year. :bowdown:

[BrickingStar]

there's gramatically nothing wrong with my post, clown. :oldlol: unless you're one to nit pick about capitals. btw, you forgot a period at the end of your sentence brah.
"he complains. i know. do i care? no. im not a Kobe fan." Do you know how to break up sentences, use commas, and if you don't care about capitals why care about spelling since your whole post is shit. Capitalizing speaking :lol

[ganja0710]

So you're telling me that all of the people putting out their Top 10 lists were alive to see Wilt, Russ, Oscar and West play? :roll:
how's that even comparable to a person that's been following their favorite player for 3 years and claiming him a top 25 player of all time? :oldlol: :facepalm

[ganja0710]

"he complains. i know. do i care? no. im not a Kobe fan." Do you know how to break up sentences, use commas, and if you don't care about capitals why care about spelling since your whole post is shit. Capitalizing speaking :lol
uh, is spelling the only category under grammar? did you not read his post? mind the grammar mistakes and missed commas, his whole post didn't make sense. if you wanna talk commas, you forgot one before "why care". :oldlol:

[EnoughSaid]

how's that even comparable to a person that's been following their favorite player for 3 years and claiming him a top 25 player of all time? :oldlol: :facepalm

Because I've created my own judgement on certain players and how I judge them. I put Wade in the Top 25. That's my own opinion and I'm entitled to it.

[Legends66NBA7]

If anything, Wade and other superstars today get overrated and insanely praised.

Anyways, to answer OP's post:


This is getting ridiculous. People are trashing him in every way possible. WHY?! Just because he gets frustrated for not getting a call once in a while?

Is that a reason to hate someone so much and to discredit all of their accomplishments?

Sounds like another day on ISH. Just different player to hate now.

It's more of an exaggeration on the last question.


His 06 Finals doesn't count

It will count... at least when you calm your senses and look at it logically.


his 08-09 season wasn't even that good, Allen Iverson is million times better

Talk about super exaggerations.

:oldlol:

Wade has many times been argued for his 08-09 season as the best player in the game, but fizzled out in the playoffs. Great RS, but not as good in the playoffs. Hey, he didn't have enough weapons to make long playoff push.

That's it. It's called perspective.

I read the Iverson vs Wade thread and there were more people picking Wade than Iverson and there were more people saying that they would take Wade 10 time out of 10 and picking up stats solely for Wade.

Don't make shit up, please. If it's anything, Iverson got disrespected in that thread more than Wade.


he's not even in the same breath as Jerry West, and he's DONE.

This thread:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275744

Title and description tells me that it's West not in Wade's class and other posters just came in defended West and saying he's getting underrated because he's an old school player... and not surprising taking shots at Wade.

Maybe if the OP and others didn't take shots at old school players, this thread doesn't get made ?


How can people say he's done?!

Probably to troll Wade stans, like you ? :confusedshrug:

I'd say it worked.


Basically playing on one knee, and hurt all season, he still managed to put up a top 3 performance in the Playoffs, on a top 5 defensive team.

Was great, but what does this have to do with next year ?


Oh and one more thing, I also adore the fact that people hate on Wade because he took a step back and let LeBron take over. That's what a true leader, teammate and best friend does. He knew that LeBron had to have a free mindset and not have to worry about getting Wade involved. And you people hate on him for that? Come on now.

I couldn't care less about this trash and your feelings about the man. I just care if they can play ball at a high level or not and I'll make my judgments.

I already have my views on Wade, like he's Top 6 guard of all-time, Top 25 player of all-time, etc... It's more his stans/haters that I tune out.

You making this thread doesn't really help either, because most just identify you as a Wade homer and you made this thread more out of your emotions of people... from what it seems West over Wade (NOT he's not in the same breath :oldlol:) and people say that he's a whiner ? He is a whiner. A lot of players today are. They are coddled superstars.

People on ISH bringing up he's this and that about flopping, crying to the refs ? Either don't like him, like to troll Wade stans/fans, etc.. or just simply hate seeing that shit. I know I don't, but I don't hate Wade and what he's brought to the game over the years outside of the bad. The good times always outweighs the bad times, anyways.



Done rambling. It's not even that serious. I see shit like this all the time, just different players and topic is different too.

[Legends66NBA7]

@ganja0710, coin24 and TheMan

Who would you have over Wade all-time ?

Just curious.

[fsvr54]

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/d-wade-tantrum.gif



:roll: :roll: :roll:

Still the funniesh ish ever

[ganja0710]

Because I've created my own judgement on certain players and how I judge them. I put Wade in the Top 25. That's my own opinion and I'm entitled to it.
:roll:

okay, so why make a thread then? people are entitled to their own opinions right? therefore, the people claiming Wade as a Top __ or Top __ player is basically just their opinion. but here you are trying to argue against it. :rolleyes:

[RRR3]

One thing to add: It's weird how a lot of the Wade hate on ISH seems to have come after the playoffs. LeBron is getting much more love and respect on ISH after the Heat won, but Wade is getting less. I guess because LBJ won FMVP, but IDK why Wade getting so much hate:confusedshrug:
Now, Wade drove me crazy in the playoffs with his inconsistency and poor decision making, but that's not worthy of hate. He still is great overall anyways.

[EnoughSaid]

:roll:

okay, so why make a thread then? people are entitled to their own opinions right? therefore, the people claiming Wade as a Top __ or Top __ player is basically just their opinion. but here you are trying to argue against it. :rolleyes:

I came in here and posted this because it's not right to disrespect Wade like most of the people on here do. I'm not stating, "Wade is this type of player and you can't disagree!" I'm just trying to understand why people don't like him and why they discredit his achievements.

[ganja0710]

@ganja0710, coin24 and TheMan

Who would you have over Wade all-time ?

Just curious.
OP considers Wade to be 25, or around there. to me, there's a bunch of guys that can be interchangable, can't be wrong with either. but not in any particular order and guys that i would probably have over Wade, i'd have Stockton, D.Robinson, Reed, Mikan, Pippen, Baylor, Cousy, Zeke, Havlicek, Parrish. just off the top of my head. it's just extremely hard how his career will pan out. dudes just 9 years into his career and here's this idiot (who started following in 2009, I REPEAT 2009), trying to argue against everybody and claim Wade to be a top 25 player. ridiculous.

[Legends66NBA7]

Kinda, but not as much as

David Robinson , IMO the most disrespected player on ISH

I'd say Wilt Chamberlain also gets the same type of disrespect and false claims too.


I'm just trying to understand why people don't like him and why they discredit his achievements.

Didn't you just post this before:


I don't care if you guys like him or not, I just want you to at least respect his accomplishments and stop acting like he's some random scrub.

The only thing you stayed in consistent on is the accomplishments... which again, what ? 2006 ? Been done to death, it wasn't the first time it was done back in 2006 and the topic hasn't changed much 6 years later.

And Wade isn't the first guy to have his achievements been discredited.

And do you care or don't care about whether people like him ? You're typing to different things in those quotes.

[BlueandGold]

I'd say Wilt Chamberlain also gets the same type of disrespect and false claims too.

Yea but at least Wilt and Russell played in the 60s.. which is now more than half a century ago. Robinson played in the 90s, there's no excuse for people to forget everything he did :facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

OP considers Wade to be 25, or around there. to me, there's a bunch of guys that can be interchangable, can't be wrong with either. but not in any particular order and guys that i would probably have over Wade, i'd have Stockton, D.Robinson, Reed, Mikan, Pippen, Baylor, Cousy, Zeke, Havlicek, Parrish. just off the top of my head. it's just extremely hard how his career will pan out. dudes just 9 years into his career and here's this idiot (who started following in 2009, I REPEAT 2009), trying to argue against everybody and claim Wade to be a top 25 player. ridiculous.

Well, I find rankings hard and more or less arbitrary.

The best way I can find out about era's I missed out on is trying to look into the past with much footage as I can, look up their accomplishment/stats/etc... read about what people were saying about so and so's at the time they were in the league and try to formulate my own opinion.

Now with a guy like Wade, I've seen his entire career unfold. If I was just doing it off players I've seen, he would be much higher valued for me, but would be disrespecting the past. I can't come up with the conclusion that Wade > Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain because it would obviously never make sense to anybody.

I do think Wade can be ranked in the Top 25-35 range. I've seen him ranked as high as Top 20 in some lists. I could make the case of Wade over some players you mentioned, but then again, not arguing... I just wanted your opinion on it.

You're right that nobody should try to tell others where another player ranks, but I do think Wade has more than enough of a case for Top 25, IMHO. We can agree to disagree, it's all good. And yeah, I agree you can't make a case for a player to be anywhere when you haven't kept track of a sport for a long time. I've been keep track of ball for more than a decade and I even I don't feel more than qualified to these ranking lists.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yea but at least Wilt and Russell played in the 60s.. which is now more than half a century ago. Robinson played in the 90s, there's no excuse for people to forget everything he did :facepalm

Agreed.

Prime Robinson today would be the best center in the league and Top 2 at worst.

[CavaliersFTW]

Yea but at least Wilt and Russell played in the 60s.. which is now more than half a century ago. Robinson played in the 90s, there's no excuse for people to forget everything he did :facepalm
It's because Hakeem (at the expense of guys like Robinson, esp for the "bamboozled" play) has become a youtube sensation thus he appears to be an untouchable basketball god that shot 100% from the field with every move under the sun. Also the Arvydas video which comes at the expense of D-Rob. Mostly it's Hakeem though. The center with the "prettier" looking game of the early 90's has taken over in the youtube era.

[The Iron Fist]

Like I said, injury riddled season. Look what he did when he came back next year. :bowdown:
Lots of guys battle injuries. Difference is, they win more than 15.

[KOBE143]

If people here will not admit that he carried Lebrick to finals twice and won 1 then he's underrated..

He's overrated if he's being compared to Kobe and MJ..

Simple as that..

[97 bulls]

I've been sayiing for the longest that Wade is overrated.

[DKLaker]

maybe because people have no respect for the way he plays.


he is a bitch... flails and flops and then gets pissed at the refs for no calls. not just no calls, but calls that werent even close to fouls.

that gif above perfectly describes wade... he has one of the moments almost every game.

This!!!!

Kobe schooled the punk in the All-Star game, he cried like a b!tch and then hacked the crap outta Kobe and broke his nose......and you think we should give him respect :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :rolleyes:

[LakersReign]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/923112/heat_medium.gif

This is getting ridiculous. People are trashing him in every way possible. WHY?! Just because he gets frustrated for not getting a call once in a while? :facepalm Is that a reason to hate someone so much and to discredit all of their accomplishments? His 06 Finals doesn't count, his 08-09 season wasn't even that good, Allen Iverson is million times better, he's not even in the same breath as Jerry West, and he's DONE. How can people say he's done?! :facepalm Basically playing on one knee, and hurt all season, he still managed to put up a top 3 performance in the Playoffs, on a top 5 defensive team. Come on now. Let's relax and take off our tinted goggles.

Oh and one more thing, I also adore the fact that people hate on Wade because he took a step back and let LeBron take over. That's what a true leader, teammate and best friend does. He knew that LeBron had to have a free mindset and not have to worry about getting Wade involved. And you people hate on him for that? Come on now. :rolleyes:

"Heat" fans are the most delusional, bi-polar fanbase the NBA has EVER seen. Wade gets disrespected....huh? How much respect did you guys have for him, while calling for his head on a plate, earlier last season, before the Heat won the title. But....NOW....he gets disrespected? GTFOH:roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

"Heat" fans are the most delusional, bi-polar fanbase the NBA has EVER seen. Wade gets disrespected....huh? How much respect did you guys have for him, while calling for his head on a plate, earlier last season, before the Heat won the title. But....NOW....he gets disrespected? GTFOH:roll:
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[RRR3]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Don't encourage him

[Pra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L0Y595Ful0

Respect!

Anyway everyone has their pro's and con's but at the end of the day haters gonna hate.

[LakersReign]

Don't encourage him

Mas as **** that your(rrr3) campaign of lies for the last 8 months, just blew up in your(rrr3) face....huh?:roll:

[hawksdogsbraves]

The reason he gets hated on so much is that it's just all the LeBron haters who have nothing left to hate on with LeBron, so they move down to the next best thing.

[Legends66NBA7]

I've been sayiing for the longest that Wade is overrated.

Yup.

I even stated before that Wade is overrated as well as many of today's superstars.

[swe_suns]

The main reason why I dislike the guy is because he is a dirty player. There are guys in the league that would never even attempt to make a dirty play (for example nash, dirk, lebron, duncan) but Wade does this quite a bit. I will never ever respect a player that does this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ2u9YZ4i10

[ganja0710]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LMLnOTewYGg

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jFA5vSjvzGk

:roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jFA5vSjvzGk

:roll:
:roll: :roll:

[coin24]

"Heat" fans are the most delusional, bi-polar fanbase the NBA has EVER seen. Wade gets disrespected....huh? How much respect did you guys have for him, while calling for his head on a plate, earlier last season, before the Heat won the title. But....NOW....he gets disrespected? GTFOH:roll:

THIS:applause: :applause:

[BGriffin's Dad]

weird how most of these heat "fans" didnt give a shit about Wade before 2010 :lol

[ihoopallday]

NBA players could care less if we think they're over or under rated. Why waste time arguing about it on the internet.

[Fiasco]

Wade is like the Drake of basketball. Always pulling some suspect shit.

[BlackVVaves]

Jerry West had a more impressive basketball career, and his success transcended the shooting guard position.

Don't see how that's "underrating" Wade. Does OP know who Jerry West his?

People say things like "Wade simply a slasher" and "Wade has no jumper." Both things that are true.

Don't see how that's "underrating" Wade. Wade's a horrible shooter for someone that plays under the position Jerry West reinvented with his sleek jumpshot.

I lost any semblance of liking for Wade after the insensitivity using the World Trade Center disaster to equate to his team's perceived shortcomings, and the distasteful joke about Dirk. After that, I just stopped caring for Wade.

Doesn't take away from his production as a player. Has had some great seasons in the NBA. Notice I said some, as in, not many. If you are comparing Wade to the other great shooting guards to ever grace the floor in Jordan, Kobe, and West, that's the thing that stands out most. All three players spent the majority of their NBA careers as THE best at his position. Wade? One, maybe 2. His inconsistency and seemingly short-lived prime is too much to simply ignore. And, using injuries as the reason means nothing, because Jordan and Kobe made a Top 10 career off of playing through injuries that others (like Wade) would sit from.

Yes, he complains alot. He whines and throws annoying fits. But, he's not the first nor the last to do so (though he does it MUCH more than any other Top 10 player in the league I can think of outside of Chris Paul). Top 30, 35 all time. Not sure how that's "underrating." He's clearly not a Top 20 player in league history. So, I'd say it's more "realistic" rating than anything else.

[coin24]

weird how most of these heat "fans" didnt give a shit about Wade before 2010 :lol

:lol :lol

We all know heat "fans" are lebron stans. Even worse, they all claimed they were die hard cavs fans even if lebron left:roll:
And the ones that started watching ball after the decision:lol Bunch of retards..

[Legends66NBA7]

Top 30, 35 all time. Not sure how that's "underrating." He's clearly not a Top 20 player in league history. So, I'd say it's more "realistic" rating than anything else.

Yeah, I would say he's more Top 25-35 for me. I've got to see how the rest of his career plays off.

Which players would you have over Wade all-time ?

[LakersReign]

:lol :lol

We all know heat "fans" are lebron stans. Even worse, they all claimed they were die hard cavs fans even if lebron left:roll:
And the ones that started watching ball after the decision:lol Bunch of retards..

Yeah....I know...right?:oldlol:

They only claimed to be real Cavs fans whenever people brought up the FACT that NONE of them were Cavs fans til, they signed Lebron. And the minute he left Cleveland, they couldn't wait to jump the bandwagon. NOW, they're claiming to be real Heat fans. Then actually think reasonable NBA fans are going to take them or anything they say seriously:roll:

[BlackVVaves]

Yeah, I would say he's more Top 25-35 for me. I've got to see how the rest of his career plays off.

Which players would you have over Wade all-time ?

Hmm. In no order?

MJ
Bill
Magic
Kareem
Bird

Wilt
Duncan
Kobe
Hakeem
Shaq

West
Oscar
Karl Malone
Moses Malone
Dr. J

Lebron
Baylor
Pettit
David Robinson
Charles Barkley

KG
Pippen
Havlicek
Dirk
Mikan

Hayes
Reed
Rick Barry
Stockton

So, if my math is right, that's 29 players I'd rank ahead of Wade, with Hayes and Reed the only two players I feel iffy about. Then you have these players that I'm not sure if I would take over Wade now, and probably won't any way when Wade's career is over. But, for the sake of mentioning:


Zeke
Ewing
Payton

I should also mention with another ring, I'd have to rank Wade higher than Stockton, Havilek, and Rick Barry.

So yea. Top 30 sounds about right. Don't see Wade winning a MVP ever, or another FMVP, so unless he piles on 2+ rings to his current collection, I don't see him moving much further up the All Time ladder.


What about you?

[Legends66NBA7]

What about you?



MJ
Bill
Magic
Kareem
Bird

Wilt
Duncan
Kobe
Hakeem
Shaq

West
Oscar
Karl Malone
Moses Malone
Dr. J

Lebron
Baylor
Pettit
David Robinson
Charles Barkley

KG
Dirk
Mikan

Pippen
Havlicek
Hayes
Reed
Rick Barry
Stockton
Zeke
Ewing
Payton


I agree with bold.

The rest, I feel Wade is a better player or has a better career all-time. The ones with nice a debate with Wade is:

Hondo, Pippen, Barry, Ewing, Reed, and Hayes.

I feel Wade is over all-time:

Stockton, Zeke, and Payton... although you did mention that they had a mention too.

Pippen and Hondo are ahead because of more team achievements and off course better career as of now. Can't speak too much on Hondo, but I think 4 of playoff/title runs aren't on the same level of a prime playoff Wade. And while Pippen is the superior defensive player, Wade is superior offensive player. So really, they wash each other out as players, but I don't feel like Pippen can do what Wade does in the Finals in 06 or 11, offense wise, although he was very good himself in the first Bulls 3 peat.

I feel Ewing was a better player than Reed, but Reed had and MVP and 2 Finals MVP's, and 2 titles... Hayes I believe was robbed of a Finals MVP of his lone NBA title.

So... I would consider, if Wade is over the ones I mentioned that he has a good debate over, then 24th all-time (I feel he will be Top 25, at least, when his career is over)... otherwise, let's say Pippen, Hondo, Reed, Ewing, Barry, and Hayes are over him... then, near where your ranking is...

So, more or less, he's between 24-29ish for me (leaning to the Top 25). :cheers:


I also think Wade is a Top 6 guard, all-time. Maybe I'm overrating him there, but the only guards I have over him are:

Jordan, Magic, Kobe, West, and the Big-O.

[BlackVVaves]

I agree with bold.

The rest, I feel Wade is a better player or has a better career all-time. The ones with nice a debate with Wade is:

Hondo, Pippen, Barry, Ewing, Reed, and Hayes.

I feel Wade is over all-time:

Stockton, Zeke, and Payton... although you did mention that they had a mention too.

Pippen and Hondo are ahead because of more team achievements and off course better career as of now. Can't speak too much on Hondo, but I think 4 of playoff/title runs aren't on the same level of a prime playoff Wade. And while Pippen is the superior defensive player, Wade is superior offensive player. So really, they wash each other out as players, but I don't feel like Pippen can do what Wade does in the Finals in 06 or 11, offense wise, although he was very good himself in the first Bulls 3 peat.

I feel Ewing was a better player than Reed, but Reed had and MVP and 2 Finals MVP's, and 2 titles... Hayes I believe was robbed of a Finals MVP of his lone NBA title.

So... I would consider, if Wade is over the ones I mentioned that he has a good debate over, then 24th all-time (I feel he will be Top 25, at least, when his career is over)... otherwise, let's say Pippen, Hondo, Reed, Ewing, Barry, and Hayes are over him... then, near where your ranking is...

So, more or less, he's between 24-29ish for me (leaning to the Top 25). :cheers:


I also think Wade is a Top 6 guard, all-time. Maybe I'm overrating him there, but the only guards I have over him are:

Jordan, Magic, Kobe, West, and the Big-O.

Sounds good brother, I don't think I'll ever have Wade over Pippen, but that's just my personal opinion. :cheers:

As far as guards, I think when it's all said and done, Wade will be a Top 6 guard to ever play, like you said.

So pretty much, he's likely Top 30 with a chance to finish around 25. I see most sensible posters also having him ranked around top 30, so where this "underrating" thing is is beyond me :confusedshrug:

I see people critique his game. Not sure why that's considered underrating.

If anything, the guy is overrated on this board. Comparing Wade to Jordan is a no no. It's both unintelligent AND ignorant. Yet people still to do it.

Wade has had one lone season where he played close to 82 games and averaged 30 points per game or more.

Kobe has three.

Jordan has NINE.

Enough said.

[Legends66NBA7]

If anything, the guy is overrated on this board. Comparing Wade to Jordan is a no no. It's both unintelligent AND ignorant. Yet people still to do it.

Wade has had one lone season where he played close to 82 games and averaged 30 points per game or more.

Kobe has three.

Jordan has NINE.

Well, I think that goes back to why a lot of people compare Kobe and Jordan too: they have similar styles and play the same position. Wade has some similar slashing to Jordan, the way he attacks the rim, his passing, his shot blocking (often called the best guard shot blocker) and his 06 run some consider was the best Finals performance by guard since Jordan.

I obviously hate the comparison Kobe and Wade get to Jordan because I don't feel they've done enough (especially Wade, career wise) to warrant a real comparison, outside of playing same position and similar styles.

Even Kobe has a lot of things lacking in comparison to Jordan in both playing (he emulated his style; not the total package how Jordan impaced the game) and career (more dominating seasons/playoff runs, missing multiple MVP's, needs more Finals MVP's, etc...).

I also feel the comparisons to Jordan are more media driven than just a discussion on a message board. Even when were watching live games, how many times do you here Kobe or LeBron or Wade get some comparison "oh that was Jordan like move"... I have to sometimes put the TV on mute not hear that. It obviously has an effect on posters here, I will sometimes see a thread because "so and so said this about ____ and said he's on Jordan's level !"

Just let the current players make their own legacies, please.


Enough said.

Not sure if this was a pun to the OP or not.

:oldlol:

[BlackVVaves]

Well, I think that goes back to why a lot of people compare Kobe and Jordan too: they have similar styles and play the same position. Wade has some similar slashing to Jordan, the way he attacks the rim, his passing, his shot blocking (often called the best guard shot blocker) and his 06 run some consider was the best Finals performance by guard since Jordan.

I obviously hate the comparison Kobe and Wade get to Jordan because I don't feel they've done enough (especially Wade, career wise) to warrant a real comparison, outside of playing same position and similar styles.

Even Kobe has a lot of things lacking in comparison to Jordan in both playing (he emulated his style; not the total package how Jordan impaced the game) and career (more dominating seasons/playoff runs, missing multiple MVP's, needs more Finals MVP's, etc...).

I also feel the comparisons to Jordan are more media driven than just a discussion on a message board. Even when were watching live games, how many times do you here Kobe or LeBron or Wade get some comparison "oh that was Jordan like move"... I have to sometimes put the TV on mute not hear that. It obviously has an effect on posters here, I will sometimes see a thread because "so and so said this about ____ and said he's on Jordan's level !"

Just let the current players make their own legacies, please.



Not sure if this was a pun to the OP or not.

:oldlol:

I couldn't agree more. I think Kobe is more comparable to Jordan in terms of offensive ability, but like you, I don't think he is close to what Jordan was when you look upon his body of work (MVPs, FMVPs, scoring titles, ect) and overall play (defensive end of the ball, playmaking ability for others). Wade has even less to offer in those comparisons. But, thanks to media pundits trying to increase their views and clicks, the 16 year old posters and fans at home who only recall Jordan in the twilight of his last 3 peat will continue to build an imaginary bridge between Jordan and the other hyped players of the league.

And no, no pun intended, but reading it over it's sure funny as hell :oldlol:

[coin24]

Pippen and Payton >>>> wade

Wade is lucky to be 30-50 all time, depending how the rest of his career plays out..

[ILLsmak]

http://i.imgur.com/HuR88.gif

Yeah this shit is so awesome that it doesn't need any words to make it funny.

I agree, though, Wade is a Jordan/Kobe level player without a doubt.

-Smak

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pippen and Payton >>>> wade

This.

[Sarcastic]

I think Isiah Thomas gets disrespected. He put up 4 straight 20/10 seasons in his prime, including a 21/14 season.

Chris Paul does it twice, and people are creaming in their pants for him.

The great John Stockton never even did it once. Neither did Kidd, Payton, nor Deron Williams.

[Jolokia]

If Wade keeps on winning, he'll gain the respect of the masses. Kobe is an even dirtier player with his cheap shots. Jordan said some stupid stuff in public too. At the end, championships and star play for a long time will keep these haters in check.

"We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"

"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."

"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his *** into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one

"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility

I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."

"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."

"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."

"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."

"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."

"It's a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."

"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box

"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends

"Give me the fu*king ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine

"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."

"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant

"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."

"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."

"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line

"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."

"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."

"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."


"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." - Michael on Will Perdue - AWESOME!

"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"

"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."

"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his *** out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson

"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade

"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch

"Why the hell don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices

[BoutPractice]

I have huge respect for his game.
At his peak he's simply unstoppable, and always raises his level of play when it counts. He's both efficient and a pleasure to watch, which is rare.
Even when I used to think the 06 championship was a joke, I never questioned how brilliant he'd been in that run.

Yes, he and the refs have a bit of a love affair going on, and his complaining for calls is often hilarious, but that doesn't make him any less of a player. He's an all-time great, no question.

[pegasus]

He is an excellent slasher and a good shot blocker for his size (not a great defender; too lazy for that), but other than that he does nothing at an elite level.

One of the worst shooters at his position, does not have a great court vision, and he has been very suspect in clutch the last few years. And the amount of calls he gets from the refs is just insane. He gets 95% of the 50-50 calls, yet he still cries and bitches about the %5.

IMO, he has been the the third best SG of his generation, behind Kobe and Manu (see Manu if you really want to talk about someone underrated).

[chips93]

I think Isiah Thomas gets disrespected. He put up 4 straight 20/10 seasons in his prime, including a 21/14 season.

Chris Paul does it twice, and people are creaming in their pants for him.


people went crazy over cp3 because he was doing it at such a young age.

zeke is definitely underrated though

[RRR3]

He is an excellent slasher and a good shot blocker for his size (not a great defender; too lazy for that), but other than that he does nothing at an elite level.

One of the worst shooters at his position, does not have a great court vision, and he has been very suspect in clutch the last few years. And the amount of calls he gets from the refs is just insane. He gets 95% of the 50-50 calls, yet he still cries and bitches about the %5.

IMO, he has been the the third best SG of his generation, behind Kobe and Manu (see Manu if you really want to talk about someone underrated).
Manu Ginobili better than Dwyane Wade :roll: :roll: :roll:
You're killing me, Peg, you're killing me :roll: :roll:
Have they hired you for SNL yet? :roll: :roll:

[PJR]

He is an excellent slasher and a good shot blocker for his size (not a great defender; too lazy for that), but other than that he does nothing at an elite level.

One of the worst shooters at his position, does not have a great court vision, and he has been very suspect in clutch the last few years. And the amount of calls he gets from the refs is just insane. He gets 95% of the 50-50 calls, yet he still cries and bitches about the %5.

IMO, he has been the the third best SG of his generation, behind Kobe and Manu (see Manu if you really want to talk about someone underrated).

:oldlol: This is just ridiculous.

[RRR3]

:oldlol: This is just ridiculous.
Same guy who said Carmelo>LeBron :roll: :roll: :roll:

Pegasus=poor man's Skip Bayless (except at least Skip admitted LeBron is the King after LBJ won and gave him credit, Pegashit still refuses to give LBJ any props :roll:)

[Young X]

How are Manu, Pippen, and Payton better then Wade? Have any of those guys ever been top 3 players in the league like Wade has? Have they ever led their teams to championships?

[RRR3]

How are Manu, Pippen, and Payton better then Wade? Have any of those guys ever been top 3 players in the league like Wade has? Have they ever led their teams to championships?
:applause: :applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Sarcastic]

people went crazy over cp3 because he was doing it at such a young age.

zeke is definitely underrated though


They were both 22 when they put up their first 20/10 seasons. CP3 did it one more time. Zeke did it 3 more times.


Remember, Isiah came out of HS early.

[LikeABosh]

Apparently he sucks because he had one "bad" season averaging 23 ppg, 50% shooting, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and winning another NBA championship.

[LikeABosh]

He is an excellent slasher and a good shot blocker for his size (not a great defender; too lazy for that), but other than that he does nothing at an elite level.

One of the worst shooters at his position, does not have a great court vision, and he has been very suspect in clutch the last few years. And the amount of calls he gets from the refs is just insane. He gets 95% of the 50-50 calls, yet he still cries and bitches about the %5.

IMO, he has been the the third best SG of his generation, behind Kobe and Manu (see Manu if you really want to talk about someone underrated).
Behind Manu?? This, is why Wade is underrated...

[SilkkTheShocker]

The OP is always crying about something

[RRR3]

The OP is always crying about something
How are you getting so many negs? :oldlol: Not trying to talk smack, just honestly wondering. BTW I haven't negged you if you're wondering (I need to save my negs for guys like pegasus)

[Young X]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
It just amazes me, how a player that has had an arguement for best player in the league (even if it was small) for multiple seasons, has gone toe-to-toe with LeBron and Kobe, can be worse at playing basketball than Manu, Pippen, and Payton, 3 players who were never consisdered at that level.

[chips93]

How are you getting so many negs? :oldlol: Not trying to talk smack, just honestly wondering. BTW I haven't negged you if you're wondering (I need to save my negs for guys like pegasus)

because he kept complaining about getting negged

it snowballed i guess

[Horde of Temujin]

I do not deny his talent but I do not appreciate the way he plays. He plays for the foul and routinely makes questionable dirty plays then has nerve to complain himself.

For example, he comained about a hard Hansborough foul during the Indy series in the press conference after the game. It was a hard foul but not of the hazardous sort that he dishes out.

[SilkkTheShocker]

How are you getting so many negs? :oldlol: Not trying to talk smack, just honestly wondering. BTW I haven't negged you if you're wondering (I need to save my negs for guys like pegasus)

Some posters are still a little upset I destroyed them debating. Funny part is they all neg me anonymously :oldlol: P.ussies :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

because he kept complaining about getting negged

it snowballed i guess


Um, no. I complained because a bunch of sack-less, chicken s.hits kept negging me anonymously. If you are going to neg someone, at least be man enough to say who it was.

[RRR3]

Some posters are still a little upset I destroyed them debating. Funny part is they all neg me anonymously :oldlol: P.ussies :oldlol:
I hate that, that's why I always sign my negs :pimp:

[raid09]

It just amazes me, how a player that has had an arguement for best player in the league (even if it was small) for multiple seasons, has gone toe-to-toe with LeBron and Kobe, can be worse at playing basketball than Manu, Pippen, and Payton, 3 players who were never consisdered at that level.
Pretty much this.

Not really sure about some of the players Wade is compared to these days. Wade has played at a level that not many have ever reached...He was side by side with LeBron for a couple of years, someone who some consider to have one of the best peaks ever.

Wade's career obviously wasn't everything it could have been if not for injuries, but at some point you have to sit back and realize there aren't 20 players in the history of the game who have played better basketball than Wade at points in his career...Granted, that is a bold statement considering I haven't seen them all live.

[DKLaker]

The main reason why I dislike the guy is because he is a dirty player. There are guys in the league that would never even attempt to make a dirty play (for example nash, dirk, lebron, duncan) but Wade does this quite a bit. I will never ever respect a player that does this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ2u9YZ4i10

:applause:
The video says it all. I used to really respect Wade and liked his game.
I even thought that he would be a positive influence on Lebron and help him mature, instead he has acted like a much bigger @ss than Lebron. Makes me wonder if Wade was always such a tool but was on the down low.

Kids don't realize that there are so many great players that they never even heard of, guys who were much better than Wade but because other teams were more stacked they didn't get a ring. Young folks should start by looking at the NBA's top 100 all-time scorers.....Wade is like 99th or 100th. Those other guys were very great, better more consistent shooters, better rebounders etc. Now add to that how many of those HOF legends never played with a 3 point line.....guys like Jerry West who had great range and is 11th all-time........he'd be at least top 4 if there were 3's during his career.
The NBA didn't just start the moment you started watching.
The 3pt line wasn't added until 1979-80 season and even still teams didn't really start shooting them much until years later. Jordan only made like 581.
Metta World Peace has made 961 :eek: Rick Fox 771 :eek: Steve Blake 757 in 9 seasons :eek:

Wade 324
Lebron 917 in 9 seasons
Kobe 1,505

No judgment on my part just posting these stats as reference stuff.

[Duncan21formvp]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/923112/heat_medium.gif

This is getting ridiculous. People are trashing him in every way possible. WHY?! Just because he gets frustrated for not getting a call once in a while? :facepalm Is that a reason to hate someone so much and to discredit all of their accomplishments? His 06 Finals doesn't count, his 08-09 season wasn't even that good, Allen Iverson is million times better, he's not even in the same breath as Jerry West, and he's DONE. How can people say he's done?! :facepalm Basically playing on one knee, and hurt all season, he still managed to put up a top 3 performance in the Playoffs, on a top 5 defensive team. Come on now. Let's relax and take off our tinted goggles.

Oh and one more thing, I also adore the fact that people hate on Wade because he took a step back and let LeBron take over. That's what a true leader, teammate and best friend does. He knew that LeBron had to have a free mindset and not have to worry about getting Wade involved. And you people hate on him for that? Come on now. :rolleyes:
:cheers:

[KyrieTheFuture]

He's a ****ing whiny ***** but I don't understand how people don't recognize how good he is at blocking shots, making bankers and runners and crazy lay ups. Does he get a lot of calls? Yes. But that doesn't make the plays he makes without referee help any less impressive. I don't like his attitude but I don't diminish him for it.

[raid09]

He's a ****ing whiny ***** but I don't understand how people don't recognize how good he is at blocking shots, making bankers and runners and crazy lay ups. Does he get a lot of calls? Yes. But that doesn't make the plays he makes without referee help any less impressive. I don't like his attitude but I don't diminish him for it.
People seem to have a really hard time distinguishing between the Wade (or any other player they don't like) as a basketball player, and Wade as a person.

He strikes me as a d-bag (speculation...I suppose), and his crying to the refs is annoying, but it probably improves his game.

[DaSeba5]

So many trolls here...

[Legends66NBA7]

These are reasons why Wade's underrated:


IMO, he has been the the third best SG of his generation, behind Kobe and Manu (see Manu if you really want to talk about someone underrated).

I never heard of people talking about Manu over Wade. This actually overrating Manu if you put him of Wade and Kobe's level. Also, Stockton, Payton, etc... I don't think are better than Wade either. They might be significantly better than Wade at one aspect of baskeball, but not as total players.

Other than that, Wade's more overrated than underrated.

[Legends66NBA7]

How are Manu, Pippen, and Payton better then Wade? Have any of those guys ever been top 3 players in the league like Wade has? Have they ever led their teams to championships?

Pippen =/= Wade. One great defensive player vs one great offensive player.

Pippen arguably has been Top 3-5 when he was at his peak and allowed to more when Jordan retired. And yes, Pippen had great runs to his titles too, might have not been alpha, but he contributed well.

[Young X]

Pippen =/= Wade. One great defensive player vs one great offensive player.

Pippen arguably has been Top 3-5 when he was at his peak and allowed to more when Jordan retired. And yes, Pippen had great runs to his titles too, might have not been alpha, but he contributed well.
He was barely top 5 when MJ retired and Barkley was injured, that doesn't mean that if you put him in 2009 he would have an arguement for best player in the league like Wade. I agree that Pippen had great runs in the 1st 3-peat, but he never had DOMINANT runs/series like Wade has yet people consider Wade worse than him as a player.

[Legends66NBA7]

He was barely top 5 when MJ retired and Barkley was injured, that doesn't mean that if you put him in 2009 he would have an arguement for best player in the league like Wade. I agree that Pippen had great runs in the 1st 3-peat, but he never had DOMINANT runs/series like Wade has yet people consider Wade worse than him as a player.

If you put Pippen, or any other perimeter player from the pre 2004 in 2009, they get some advantage with the rules favouring perimeter players... I think Pippen would be better, probably not best player argument, though I think he would be right there.

I agree with playoff/finals runs. That's why, I ultimately feel Wade will be over Pippen all-time, as what keeps Pippen over Wade (at least for me) is that he contributed more and won more titles.

You're right about worse player quote too, I don't see how Wade's a worse player. It would be a nice one on one game between both of them.

[Young X]

If you put Pippen, or any other perimeter player from the pre 2004 in 2009, they get some advantage with the rules favouring perimeter players... I think Pippen would be better, probably not best player argument, though I think he would be right there.

I agree with playoff/finals runs. That's why, I ultimately feel Wade will be over Pippen all-time, as what keeps Pippen over Wade (at least for me) is that he contributed more and won more titles.

You're right about worse player quote too, I don't see how Wade's a worse player. It would be a nice one on one game between both of them.
Even though I don't think he would be top 5, I agree with you about the perimeter rules part. My problem is the fact that players that have never played on Wade's level and have never accomplished what he has individually are being ranked above him and that is why I believe he is underrated.

[BlackVVaves]

He was barely top 5 when MJ retired and Barkley was injured, that doesn't mean that if you put him in 2009 he would have an arguement for best player in the league like Wade. I agree that Pippen had great runs in the 1st 3-peat, but he never had DOMINANT runs/series like Wade has yet people consider Wade worse than him as a player.

When people discuss All Time rankings, production, achievements, team success, and the quality of their contributions to that success are used as a base of criteria.

What Pippen did defensively, Wade offered offensively, like Legends alluded to. Pippen never had offensive dominant runs like Wade did, but it was because of his prowless and dominance in other areas that enabled Jordan to finally reach the promise land. 6 rings as the missing piece > 1 ring as THE piece + 1 ring as an inconsistent #2 option.

In my opinion anyway. Not to take away from Wade's post season performances. Also, Wade was never the undisputed best player in the league, and spent, at the max, 2 seasons as the best player at his position. Conversely, Pippen was never the undisputed (or close to) best player in the league. But, he spent much of his career as the best Small Forward in the NBA.

There can only be ONE best player in the league. But, there are 5 positions one can vy for in terms of "the best." To me, it's more impressive to spend much of your career as the best at your position, than one or two seasons as the best in the league. It illustrates consistency and dominance in a way many overlook.

[DuMa]

watch the closing moments of game 4 of the Finals when Lebron had to go out with the cramps. Who was the one who got every loose ball, block or rebound or clutch basket for the Heat. Wade was everywhere. That game told me Wade is still elite. Sure he was getting lit up by Westbrook in that game but Westbrook will do that to anyone if he is on.

[pegasus]

watch the closing moments of game 4 of the Finals when Lebron had to go out with the cramps. Who was the one who got every loose ball, block or rebound or clutch basket for the Heat. Wade was everywhere. That game told me Wade is still elite. Sure he was getting lit up by Westbrook in that game but Westbrook will do that to anyone if he is on.

I hate Chalmers, but it was him who killed the OKC in clutch that game.

And those who didn't like me saying Manu > Wade, go check out his career (Europe, NBA, and the national team).

[PJR]

watch the closing moments of game 4 of the Finals when Lebron had to go out with the cramps. Who was the one who got every loose ball, block or rebound or clutch basket for the Heat. Wade was everywhere. That game told me Wade is still elite. Sure he was getting lit up by Westbrook in that game but Westbrook will do that to anyone if he is on.

Yep.

And just incase someone decides to revise history as many like to do on here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=09dZOVXBzZM#t=79s

[Mach_3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=jFA5vSjvzGk&nomobile=1

After watching that live on tv my respect went out the window then when he purposely pulled Rondo down i stopped having any respect at all for him. I can recognize how good the dude is but he's still a whiny, hypocritical little b1tch

[I.R.Beast]

Wade used to be my favorite player til last season.. He's turned into a little girl. He'll have to re-earn my respect. LBJ needs to give him a reality check

[RRR3]

watch the closing moments of game 4 of the Finals when Lebron had to go out with the cramps. Who was the one who got every loose ball, block or rebound or clutch basket for the Heat. Wade was everywhere. That game told me Wade is still elite. Sure he was getting lit up by Westbrook in that game but Westbrook will do that to anyone if he is on.
Wade is still elite but Chalmers was the closer in game 4

[RRR3]

Also :roll: @ wade "intentionally" pulling rondo down. Rondo dragged wade down by being an over aggressive idiot

[EnoughSaid]

:roll: I've gotten like 10 negs on my OP. I guess people really hate Wade.

[IGOTGAME]

Apparently he sucks because he had one "bad" season averaging 23 ppg, 50% shooting, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and winning another NBA championship.

I don't think he is underrated, just that there are a lot of players who were better or had better careers than him.

[Mach_3]

Also :roll: @ wade "intentionally" pulling rondo down. Rondo dragged wade down by being an over aggressive idiot


Are you fcuking blind? Why else would he have his right arm wrapped around Rondo's waist? Rondo even tries to pull his arms back to get away from Wade. :facepalm

[TheMan]

Yup.

I even stated before that Wade is overrated as well as many of today's superstars.
weak offensive era, can't even produce decent big men anymore.

Wade is overrated.

[CavaliersFTW]

:roll: I've gotten like 10 negs on my OP. I guess people really hate Wade.
maybe you shouldn't use strong words like "insanely" in the OP - also it might have helped for you to realise ahead of time that all the disrespect Wade was gettin in that West thread was brought on completely by Silktheshockers trolling and disrespect of West. People were just fightin fire with fire - u disrespect West? Fine, lets all rally and knock Wade down a few pegs. Now that you and Silk have combined efforts everyone has rallied and reminded each other of the worst elements of Wades game and its prob gonna take an entire season of good behavior for him to gain some respect back on ISH :lol

Lessons learned:

*Every thing Silktheshocker talks about backfires with catastrophic results

*Failing to recognize this and siding with Silk (even if only by accident) will backfire even more

[TheMan]

maybe you shouldn't use strong words like "insanely" in the OP - also it might have helped for you to realise ahead of time that all the disrespect Wade was gettin in that West thread was brought on completely by Silktheshockers trolling and disrespect of West. People were just fightin fire with fire - u disrespect West? Fine, lets all rally and knock Wade down a few pegs. Now that you and Silk have combined efforts everyone has rallied and reminded each other of the worst elements of Wades game and its prob gonna take an entire season of good behavior for him to gain some respect back on ISH :lol

Lessons learned:

*Every thing Silktheshocker talks about backfires with catastrophic results

*Failing to recognize this and siding with Silk (even if only by accident) will backfire even more

Truth

It's a bad idea to side with Silk:oldlol:

In the end, whether you care or not about neg reps, they do help in deciding if you want to debate someone about hoops, if you have red bars, posters won't take you serious and it's a good indication that you are a troll.

[SilkkTheShocker]

It has nothing to do with me. People just think the OP is lame :confusedshrug:

[Mach_3]

Truth

It's a bad idea to side with Silk:oldlol:

In the end, whether you care or not about neg reps, they do help in deciding if you want to debate someone about hoops, if you have red bars, posters won't take you serious and it's a good indication that you are a troll.

Sh1t half the posters on here don't even try to debate they all just wanna run to basketball-reference and pull some stats and act like they know everything about a player

[Mach_3]

It has nothing to do with me. People just think the OP is lame :confusedshrug:

He is. Now what?

:dancin

[Legends66NBA7]

I've gotten like 10 negs on my OP. I guess people really hate Wade.

Or maybe that just don't like you for complaining about such a trivial matter ?

:confusedshrug:

Seriously, this was such a non-issue to me. And please read your OP again and you'll see why this has more to with you than it has to do with Wade.

And I thought you said you didn't care if people hated Wade, didn't you ?

:oldlol:

[TheMan]

It has nothing to do with me. People just think the OP is lame :confusedshrug:
Silky, just look at your reps:eek: :oldlol:

you're in Godzuki terrain:lol

[alleykat]

Wade is the epitome of having an all or nothing fan base

There can be no objectivity when it comes to him, his fan base and hate base are all bias

[derb2k2]

<3 Wade man. There'll be a statue bearing his image after he retires. A sure-fire first ballot HoF

[HiphopRelated]

When people discuss All Time rankings, production, achievements, team success, and the quality of their contributions to that success are used as a base of criteria.

What Pippen did defensively, Wade offered offensively, like Legends alluded to. Pippen never had offensive dominant runs like Wade did, but it was because of his prowless and dominance in other areas that enabled Jordan to finally reach the promise land. 6 rings as the missing piece > 1 ring as THE piece + 1 ring as an inconsistent #2 option.

In my opinion anyway. Not to take away from Wade's post season performances. Also, Wade was never the undisputed best player in the league, and spent, at the max, 2 seasons as the best player at his position. Conversely, Pippen was never the undisputed (or close to) best player in the league. But, he spent much of his career as the best Small Forward in the NBA.

There can only be ONE best player in the league. But, there are 5 positions one can vy for in terms of "the best." To me, it's more impressive to spend much of your career as the best at your position, than one or two seasons as the best in the league. It illustrates consistency and dominance in a way many overlook.
Except when the "best player in the league" talk is also at your position.

If the best PF in the league is probably a borderline top 10 player, and the 2 best SGs in the league are in there comfortably, and probably top 5.

How is that the SGs problem?

[Heavincent]

Pippen > Wade

[King Crossover]

Yeah, he is. Probably top 30 all time and he's treated like he's top 100

[LakersReign]

Truth

It's a bad idea to side with Silk:oldlol:

In the end, whether you care or not about neg reps, they do help in deciding if you want to debate someone about hoops, if you have red bars, posters won't take you serious and it's a good indication that you are a troll.

That's bullsh*t. If that were even remotely true, then ret**ds like godzuki, who's only sole purpose for being on ISH is to "beef" with people(his own words), plus all his other ret**ded boyfriends like rrr3, kingbeasley, etc, wouldn't be all green. And let's not even talk about lebron23. How do you explain that one?:confusedshrug:

[Math2]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/923112/heat_medium.gif

This is getting ridiculous. People are trashing him in every way possible. WHY?! Just because he gets frustrated for not getting a call once in a while? :facepalm Is that a reason to hate someone so much and to discredit all of their accomplishments? His 06 Finals doesn't count, his 08-09 season wasn't even that good, Allen Iverson is million times better, he's not even in the same breath as Jerry West, and he's DONE. How can people say he's done?! :facepalm Basically playing on one knee, and hurt all season, he still managed to put up a top 3 performance in the Playoffs, on a top 5 defensive team. Come on now. Let's relax and take off our tinted goggles.

Oh and one more thing, I also adore the fact that people hate on Wade because he took a step back and let LeBron take over. That's what a true leader, teammate and best friend does. He knew that LeBron had to have a free mindset and not have to worry about getting Wade involved. And you people hate on him for that? Come on now. :rolleyes:


:roll:

Butthurt


Wade is a crybaby, and no one should get eternal respect for being a bitch. There's a reason everyone thinks West is better. Some one who makes a TEAM better matters. West was going all out, all the time, and Wade has to struggle to hold his tears before he gets back on defense.
:roll:

[KingBeasley08]

That's bullsh*t. If that were even remotely true, then ret**ds like godzuki, who's only sole purpose for being on ISH is to "beef" with people(his own words), plus all his other ret**ded boyfriends like rrr3, kingbeasley, etc, wouldn't be all green. And let's not even talk about lebron23. How do you explain that one?:confusedshrug:
im just a better poster than you, stay mad

[BlackVVaves]

Except when the "best player in the league" talk is also at your position.

If the best PF in the league is probably a borderline top 10 player, and the 2 best SGs in the league are in there comfortably, and probably top 5.

How is that the SGs problem?

It's not so much of a problem as it is just circumstantial fact. Of course it's hard to be the best at your position when the the best player in the league plays at your position. That still does not alter the fact that Wade was never the undisputed best player in the league.

[TheMan]

That's bullsh*t. If that were even remotely true, then ret**ds like godzuki, who's only sole purpose for being on ISH is to "beef" with people(his own words), plus all his other ret**ded boyfriends like rrr3, kingbeasley, etc, wouldn't be all green. And let's not even talk about lebron23. How do you explain that one?:confusedshrug:
They tweek the system!!!

I didn't know Godzuki's rep was green, last time I saw his was a while back and it was a big fat red bar:confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

That's bullsh*t. If that were even remotely true, then ret**ds like godzuki, who's only sole purpose for being on ISH is to "beef" with people(his own words), plus all his other ret**ded boyfriends like rrr3, kingbeasley, etc, wouldn't be all green. And let's not even talk about lebron23. How do you explain that one?:confusedshrug:
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002451449/150723019_i_aint_even_mad_493_You_mad_Bro_s485x364 _193971_580_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

[LakersReign]

im just a better poster than you, stay mad

Guess we can't all be "good posters' like you(kingbeasley), who come on an NBA forum and would rather spend time on there, FANTASIZING about other guys, instead of talking about basketball....right?:facepalm

The only person here who's mad as **** since December 2011, is has been and will always be you(kingbeasly) and your ret**ded boyfriends. So...yeah....you(kingbeasley) would know all about being mad and staying mad....then....huh?:lol

[KyrieTheFuture]

I wonder if Reigny is aware that when you quote someone you don't have to keep clarifying who they are because their name is in the post you quoted.

[RRR3]

I wonder if the mindless robot above me realizes that one ret**d(the idiot above me) agreeing with another OBVIOUS idiot(kingbeasley)...STILL means you're both idiots?:confusedshrug:
Wow, great logical reasoning, did you learn that in kindergarten or the first grade?

[Dictator]

Lots of guys battle injuries. Difference is, they win more than 15.


:lol

[KingBeasley08]

Guess we can't all be "good posters' like you(kingbeasley), who come on an NBA forum and would rather spend time on there, FANTASIZING about other guys, instead of talking about basketball....right?:facepalm

The only person here who's mad as **** since December 2011, is has been and will always be you(kingbeasly) and your ret**ded boyfriends. So...yeah....you(kingbeasley) would know all about being mad and staying mad....then....huh?:lol
yea I spend a grand total of 4 posts per day talking about whatever I talk about.... u on the other hand, 16 posts per day LOL

thats called a virgin loser :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

Wow, great logical reasoning, did you learn that in kindergarten or the first grade?

Oh....so....according to you(rrr3)....I'm supposedly a kid....now.....huh? And just 2 DAYS AGO, also, according to you(rrr3) my name was supposedly "rob flemming"(whoever the **** that is), and I supposedly was a soldier in Iraq, and I supposedly suffer from PTSD. But NOW....TODAY....according to you(rrr3)....I'm supposedly a kid?:wtf:

Keeping in mind, according to him(rrr3), this is supposedly the sort of thing "good posters" on an NBA forum, supposedly do....FANTASIZE about other guys, instead of talking about basketball. You(rrr3) seriously are dumb as hell:facepalm

[RRR3]

Oh....so....according to you(rrr3)....I'm supposedly a kid....now.....huh? And just 2 DAYS AGO, also, according to you(rrr3) my name was supposedly "rob flemming"(whoever the **** that is), and I supposedly was a soldier in Iraq, and I supposedly suffer from PTSD. But NOW....TODAY....according to you(rrr3)....I'm supposedly a kid?:wtf:

Keeping in mind, according to him(rrr3), this is supposedly the sort of thing "good posters" on an NBA forum, supposedly do....FANTASIZE abotu other guys, instead of talking about basketball. You(rrr3) seriously are dumb as hell:facepalm
Real talk here, I never claimed you were in Iraq, bro, I just said your name was Rob Fleming which I'm pretty sure it is (if not my bad). If you were in Iraq, then I honestly respect your bravery and service to our country.

[LakersReign]

Real talk here, I never claimed you were in Iraq, bro, I just said your name was Rob Fleming which I'm pretty sure it is (if not my bad). If you were in Iraq, then I honestly respect your bravery and service to our country.

Child(rrr3) please:rolleyes:

You were the same one, leading the charge, MAKING UP crap about me, for the last 8 months. You were also, right there talkin' sh*t, next to your other boyfriend left4dead, til I "Brogue Kicked" his lyin a** right off ISH. The only reason you're(rrr3) here backpeddling like a b***h(rrr3)now, is cuz you're trying to save face. Stop embarrassing yourself. Real talk

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Wade lost respect when he let Lebronze become his MJ.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Im actually ashamed the OP roots for the same team as me. Someone get him some tissues and diaper

[LakersReign]

They tweek the system!!!

I didn't know Godzuki's rep was green, last time I saw his was a while back and it was a big fat red bar:confusedshrug:

My point was, rate posters on the content of their posts, nothing more, nothing less. Yeah, that loser godzuki is now all green. He used his sock puppets to rep himself til he turned green, which proves how stupid and unreliable this whole rep thing is:facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

My point was, rate posters on the content of their posts, nothing more, nothing less. Yeah, that loser godzuki is now all green. He used his sock puppets to rep himself til he turned green, which proves how stupid and unreliable this whole rep thing is:facepalm


Agreed. The rep system is extremely flawed.

[Smoke117]

My point was, rate posters on the content of their posts, nothing more, nothing less. Yeah, that loser godzuki is now all green. He used his sock puppets to rep himself til he turned green, which proves how stupid and unreliable this whole rep thing is:facepalm

You are being rated by your posts. You're a ****ing idiot kobe stan. There is a reason I have you on ignore. I only saw this post because that other idiot silk quoted it so I thought I would respond to your cry baby little rant.

[SilkkTheShocker]

You are being rated by your posts. You're a ****ing idiot kobe stan. There is a reason I have you on ignore. I only saw this post because that other idiot silk quoted it so I thought I would respond to your cry baby little rant.


What are you doing in a thread about Wade? Go find another thread where you can blow Ray Allen

[LakersReign]

You are being rated by your posts. You're a ****ing idiot kobe stan. There is a reason I have you on ignore.I only saw this post because that other idiot silk quoted it so I thought I would respond to your cry baby little rant.

Riiiiiiiiiiight:rolleyes:

You do realize that you(smoke) just contradicted yourself, which means you're(smoke) lying....right? Dumb as hell(smoke):hammerhead:

[KingBeasley08]

Riiiiiiiiiiight:rolleyes:

You do realize that you(smoke) just contradicted yourself, which means you're(smoke) lying....right? Dumb as hell(smoke):hammerhead:
how did he contradict himself? u truly are an idiot...

and if I am correct, there was about a 2 month period where negs were disabled aka you could only rep people. godzuki started gaining pos rep, made a thread complaining about it, and then got poured with even more rep :lol

[Vragrant]

I always laugh when I hear the remarks that Stern somehow favors Wade. In a league where the most popular players of all time in Kobe Bryant and Lebron James, or even rising starts like Kevin Durant, somehow Stern thinks Wade should be the one who gets preferential treatment. That somehow Stern engineered some plot to hasten Wades' rise to greatness by manipulating the fabric of the refeering to Wades' advantage.

I assume a lot of people these posters are trolling but its been repeated enough times over the years by so many people that you have to believe that there are idiots out there that actually believe this line of thinking. Are people really that stupid?

The "controversy" behind his 2006 title has ballooned into such modern NBA myth that it has sifted into the collective subconscious of the NBA conspiracy theorist. Like it or not it has tied Wade and the refs into a symbiotic relationship and biased fans just can't separate the two no matter how well he plays. If he's winning its because of the refs, if he's losing its because he's not getting bailed out. If he complains to the refs he's a crybaby even if he legitimately thinks hes getting fouled.


What is the advantage of Stern giving Wade carte blanche with the refs? I never understood that.

Its almost as if Stern was sitting behind a desk somewhere in the mid 00's laughing manically behind a thick cloud of cigar smoke in a room with refs pointing at the Pistons/Heat ECF saying, "THIS is my guy! Forget Lebron/Kobe,.....this is the guy I want!!" Makes no sense whatsoever.

[KingBeasley08]

You do realize that good posters like you're(kingbeasely) PRETENDING to be, should know how to read and also comprehend what they read....right? Pure dumba**(kingbeasley):hammerhead:
ur not very bright are u?.. smoke said that u are judged by your posts which are usually pro-kobe and anti-lebron

[JMT]

ISH voted him the 6th best player in the NBA in an active thread, and he was virtually a toss up in another where he was compared to Jerry West (voted #14 all time).

I don't know how that's "insanely disrespected" unless you have an unnatural man love for him.

[UtahJazzFan88]

ISH voted him the 6th best player in the NBA in an active thread, and he was virtually a toss up in another where he was compared to Jerry West (voted #14 all time).

I don't know how that's "insanely disrespected" unless you have an unnatural man love for him.

This. :cheers:

[LakersReign]

ur not very bright are u?.. smoke said that u are judged by your posts which are usually pro-kobe and anti-lebron

You(kingbeasley) claiming(lying) to be a "good poster," simply cuz you have a green bar like left4dead's lying, delusional a**, while CLEARLY lacking, not only basic reading comprehension skills, but also basic grammar skills(moron spells U-R for Y-O-U-R-E), is like a kid(kingbeasley) buying a fake police badge in a toy store, then pretending to be a real police officer. Please continue to further embarrass yourself:roll:

Pure dumba**(kingbeasley):hammerhead:

[KingBeasley08]

You(kingbeasley) claiming(lying) to be a "good poster," simply cuz you have a green bar like left4dead's lying, delusional a**, while CLEARLY lacking, not only basic reading comprehension skills, but also basic grammar skills(moron spells U-R for Y-O-U-R-E), is like a kid(kingbeasley) buying a fake police badge in a toy store, then pretending to be a real police officer. Please continue to further embarrass yourself:roll:

Pure dumba**(kingbeasley):hammerhead:
I know I'm KingBeasley Rob. Why do you keep telling me? :confusedshrug:

[LakersReign]

I know I'm KingBeasley Rob. Why do you keep telling me? :confusedshrug:

Oh yeah...that's right. My name is supposedly "rob flemming"(whomever the **** that's supposed to be) and I'm supposedly sufffeing from PTSD from supposedly being in Iraq. All according to lyin' a** left4dead, who dipped out like a b***h(kingbeasley/left4dead) when I exposed his sorry a**.

https://www.google.co.vi/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=rob+flemming+captured+and+raped+in+Iraqi&oq=rob+flemming+captured+and+raped+in+Iraqi&gs_l=hp.3...1669.11343.0.17823.40.34.0.0.0.0.2058. 16840.2-6j13j7j0j2j0j2j1.34.0...0.0...1c.ZJTctNI474M&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b0c7ad0f11b70867&biw=1024&bih=475

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6672/4b9362c6011c444abf46634.png

Then just yesterday, according to rrr3, I was supposedly a kid. Good luck with all that:sleeping