If every player was 25 yrs old in the NBA, who are the top 10 players in the NBA? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

RRR3

08-30-2012, 01:01 AM

Just so people have a better idea, players' stats at age 25...

These 9 would stand out from the pack IMO (not in order)

Dwight Howard (2010-11): 23/14/1/1/2 on 59/0/60

LeBron James (2009-10): 30/7/9/2/1 on 50/33/77

Tim Duncan (2001-02): 26/13/4/1/3 on 51/10/80

Dwyane Wade (2006-07): 27/5/8/2/1 on 49/27/81

Tracy McGrady (2004-05): 26/6/6/2/1 on 43/33/77

Kobe Bryant (2003-04): 24/6/5/2/0 on 44/33/85

Kevin Garnett (2001-02): 21/12/5/1/2 on 47/32/80

Dirk Nowitzki (2003-04): 22/9/3/1/1 on 46/34/88

Jason Kidd (1998-99): 17/7/11/2/0 on 44/37/76

Best of the rest:

Chris Paul (2010-11): 16/4/10/2/0 on 46/39/88

Deron Williams (2009-10): 19/4/11/1/0 on 47/37/80

Gilbert Arenas (2006-07): 28/5/6/2/0 on 42/35/84

Chris Bosh (2009-10): 24/11/2/1/1 on 52/36/80

Vince Carter (2001-02): 25/5/4/2/1 on 43/39/80

Ray Allen (2000-01): 22/5/5/2/0 on 48/43/89

Paul Pierce (2002-03): 26/7/4/2/1 on 42/30/80

Carmelo Anthony (2009-10): 28/7/3/1/0 on 46/32/83

Amar'e Stoudemire (2007-08): 25/9/2/1/2 on 59/16/81

DTreats

08-30-2012, 01:03 AM

I forgot that was Melo's best year, he might sneak into the top 10.

KOBE143

08-30-2012, 01:11 AM

1. Kobe

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2. Duncan
3. Tmac
4. KG
5. Dirk
6. Dwight
7. Wade
8. Durant
9. Carmelo
10. Nash

Did I forgot someone? :confusedshrug:

RRR3

08-30-2012, 01:15 AM

Do people not realize Steve Nash wasn't a fulltime starter at age 25 and averaged 9 and 5?:confusedshrug:

lbj23clutch

08-30-2012, 01:18 AM

1. Kobe

gap

2. Duncan
3. Tmac
4. KG
5. Dirk
6. Dwight
7. Wade
8. Durant
9. Carmelo
10. Nash

Did I forgot someone? :confusedshrug:
Kobe had one of his worst seasons at 25. Only averaged 24 on 43%. This ain't 06-08 Kobe.

And SMH @ you intently forgetting this guy:
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0731/nba_g_lebron12_576.jpg

30/7/9 on 50% shooting, 2nd straight MVP at age 25

KG215

08-30-2012, 01:21 AM

1. Kobe Bryant - 8 seasons, 21.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.5 spg, .454/.331/.834, 2x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team, 3x All-Defense 1st team, 2x All-Defense 2nd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
26.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, .454/.339/.841

2. Tim Duncan - 5 seasons, 22.8 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 3.1 apg, 2.4 bpg, .509/.711, 5x All-NBA 1st team, 4x All-Defense 1st team, 1x All-Defense 2nd team, 1x MVP[/B]

Age 23-25 Season - 23.6 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, 0.8 spg, 2.4 bpg, .500/.726

3. Lebron - 7 seasons, 27.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 7.0 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.9 bpg, .475/.329/.742, 4x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 2x All-Defense 1st team, 2x MVP

Age 23-25 Seasons
29.4 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 7.7 apg, 1.7 spg, 1.1 bpg, .492/.331/.753

4. Kevin Garnett - 7 seasons, 18.9 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.7 bpg, .484/.313/.757, 1x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team, 3x All-Defense 1st team

Age 23-25 Seasons
22.0 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.6 bpg, .482/.327/.777

5. Dwyane Wade - 4 seasons, 23.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.9 bpg, .484/.249/.777, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team, 1x All-Defense 2nd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
26.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 6.9 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.0 bpg, .488/.235/.782

6. Tracy McGrady - 8 seasons, 22.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.1 bpg, .444/.348/.759 2x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
28.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.6 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg, .436/.350/.788

7. Dirk Nowitzki - 6 seasons, 8.3 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.0 bpg, .464/.372/.853, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 2x All-NBA 3rd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
23.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.1 bpg, .467/.375/.870

8. Kevin Durant - 5 seasons, 26.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.0 bpg, .468/.364/.878, 3x All-NBA 1st team

Age 21-23 Seasons
28.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.0 bpg, .477/.366/.883

9. Dwight Howard - 7 seasons, 18.2 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.0 spg, 2.2 bpg, .578/.598, 4x All-NBA 1st team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team, 3x All-Defense 1st team, 1x All-Defense 2nd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
20.5 ppg, 13.7 rpg, 1.5 apg, 1.1 spg, 2.7 bpg, .591/.594

I just used the OP's top 10 minus Nash. Nash shouldn't be in the top 10 if you include what they had done through their age 25 seasons. He had career averages of 7-2-4-1. I also included what they did in their age 23-25 seasons since it's a better representation of what each player was at the time they completed their age 25 season. For Durant, since he just finished his age 23 season, I did his age 21-23 seasons instead.

I don't necessarily agree with the list or order but it gives a gauge of what each player was at that point in their career.

HardwoodLegend

08-30-2012, 01:22 AM

1. Kobe

gap

2. Duncan
3. Tmac
4. KG
5. Dirk
6. Dwight
7. Wade
8. Durant
9. Carmelo
10. Nash

Did I forgot someone? :confusedshrug:

So where does LeBron rank outside of the Top 10? Keep compiling your list.

Curious.

RRR3

08-30-2012, 01:24 AM

@KG215,
KG shot 3's back then, you could include his 3PT percentages.

KG215

08-30-2012, 01:25 AM

If you're basing it solely off what they had done through their age 25 seasons, I'd have Duncan at #1 and Kobe at #2. Like someone said, 25 year old Kobe wasn't 2005-2010 Kobe. 25 year old Kobe was through the 2003-2004 season. He was still two years away from his 35.4 ppg season, four years away from making his first Finals as lead-dog, and five seasons away from winning his first ring as lead-dog.

KOBE143

08-30-2012, 01:26 AM

So where does LeBron rank outside of the Top 10? Keep compiling your list.

Curious.
Who's Lebron? :lol

KG215

08-30-2012, 01:26 AM

@KG215,
KG shot 3's back then, you could include his 3PT percentages.

Whoops, I thought I did. I knew he shot threes and I looked at his 3P%, actually, but must not have gone back and included it.

MrWarrior

08-30-2012, 01:28 AM

1. Kobe Bryant - 8 seasons, 21.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.5 spg, .454/.331/.834, 2x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team, 3x All-Defense 1st team, 2x All-Defense 2nd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
26.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg, .454/.339/.841

2. Tim Duncan - 5 seasons, 22.8 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 3.1 apg, 2.4 bpg, .509/.711, 5x All-NBA 1st team, 4x All-Defense 1st team, 1x All-Defense 2nd team, 1x MVP[/B]

Age 23-25 Season - 23.6 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, 0.8 spg, 2.4 bpg, .500/.726

3. Lebron - 7 seasons, 27.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 7.0 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.9 bpg, .475/.329/.742, 4x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 2x All-Defense 1st team, 2x MVP

Age 23-25 Seasons
29.4 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 7.7 apg, 1.7 spg, 1.1 bpg, .492/.331/.753

4. Kevin Garnett - 7 seasons, 18.9 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.7 bpg, .484/.757, 1x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team, 3x All-Defense 1st team

Age 23-25 Seasons
22.0 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.6 bpg, .482/.777

5. Dwyane Wade - 4 seasons, 23.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.9 bpg, .484/.249/.777, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team, 1x All-Defense 2nd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
26.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 6.9 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.0 bpg, .488/.235/.782

6. Tracy McGrady - 8 seasons, 22.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.1 bpg, .444/.348/.759 2x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
28.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.6 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg, .436/.350/.788

7. Dirk Nowitzki - 6 seasons, 8.3 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.0 bpg, .464/.372/.853, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 2x All-NBA 3rd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
23.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.1 bpg, .467/.375/.870

8. Kevin Durant - 5 seasons, 26.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.0 bpg, .468/.364/.878, 3x All-NBA 1st team

Age 21-23 Seasons
28.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.0 bpg, .477/.366/.883

9. Dwight Howard - 7 seasons, 18.2 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1.0 spg, 2.2 bpg, .578/.598, 4x All-NBA 1st team, 1x All-NBA 3rd team, 3x All-Defense 1st team, 1x All-Defense 2nd team

Age 23-25 Seasons
20.5 ppg, 13.7 rpg, 1.5 apg, 1.1 spg, 2.7 bpg, .591/.594

I just used the OP's top 10 minus Nash. Nash shouldn't be in the top 10 if you include what they had done through their age 25 seasons. He had career averages of 7-2-4-1. I also included what they did in their age 23-25 seasons since it's a better representation of what each player was at the time they completed their age 25 season. For Durant, since he just finished his age 23 season, I did his age 21-23 seasons instead.

I don't necessarily agree with the list or order but it gives a gauge of what each player was at that point in their career.

25 years old not 23-25.
Just because Kobe had a bad year at age 25 doesn't mean you change or add more ages.

RRR3

08-30-2012, 01:28 AM

HardwoodLegend

08-30-2012, 01:29 AM

Who's Lebron? :lol

LeBrick Lames?

Is that the name you know him by?

RRR3

08-30-2012, 01:30 AM

LeBrick Lames?

Is that the name you know him by?
No I think he knows him by "Lemakesmefuriousthathe'sbetterthanKobe James"

KG215

08-30-2012, 01:33 AM

@KG215,
KG shot 3's back then, you could include his 3PT percentages.

Whoops, I thought I did. I knew he shot threes and I looked at his 3P%, actually, but must not have gone back and included it.

In his age 23-25 seasons he did shoot 87.6 3PA per season and made 32.7% of them (86/263).

REACTION

08-30-2012, 01:34 AM

Shaq?

DTreats

08-30-2012, 01:36 AM

Shaq?
Not in the NBA.

KG215

08-30-2012, 01:36 AM

25 years old not 23-25.
Just because Kobe had a bad year at age 25 doesn't mean you change or add more ages.

The hell are you talking about? The thread asks if every player in the NBA was 25 years old, who are the top 10 players. I broke it down to what each of those players did in their age 23-25 seasons to give everyone a better representation of what they were at that time in their career. I didn't pick age 23-25 to just make one player look better or worse, I did it for all of them.

REACTION

08-30-2012, 01:39 AM

Not in the NBA.

Oh, current players only?

REACTION

08-30-2012, 01:42 AM

Anyone of these make it in?

Pau Gasol - 20.4 / 8.9 / 4.6 / 0.6 / 1.9
Grant Hill - 21.1 / 7.7 / 6.8 / 1.8
Gilbert Arenas - 28.4 / 4.6 / 6.0 / 1.9
Rajon Rondo - 11.9 / 4.8 / 11.7 / 1.8
Deron Williams - 18.7 / 4.0 / 10.5 / 1.3

LiLharvard

08-30-2012, 01:43 AM

Paul pierce would be top 5. Michael Jordan knows what I'm talking about.

KG215

08-30-2012, 01:52 AM

Steve Nash shouldn't be in anyone's top 10. Go look at what his stats and accomplishments through his age 25 season. He wasn't a full-time starter, yet, and had career averages of 21.7 MPG, 7.2 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.8 apg, 0.7 spg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nashst01.html

pauk

08-30-2012, 01:58 AM

Considering what they produced and achieved those specific years at 25 I will once again let the facts do the talking & ranking:

1. Lebron (30/7/9 - 50% fg, got MVP that year, was DPOY runner up and was the best player and just set the record for highest assist average by a non PG in NBA history)
2. Duncan (26/13/4 - 51% fg, got MVP that year, was top 2)
3. Dwight (23/14/1 - 59% fg, got DPOY, was top 3)
4. Wade (27/5/8 - 48% fg, got nothing, was top 3)
5. Garnett (21/12/5 - 47% fg, got nothing, was top 3)
6. Carmelo (28/7/3 - 46% fg, got nothing, was top 5)
7. T-Mac (26/6/6 - 43% fg, got nothing, was top 5)
8. Kobe (24/5/5 - 44% fg, got nothing, was top 5)
9. CP3 (16/4/10 - 46% fg, got nothing, was top 5)
10. Dirk (22/9/3 - 46% fg, got nothing, was top 10)

There you go.

BGriffin's Dad

08-30-2012, 02:02 AM

Considering what they produced and achieved those specific years at 25 I will once again let the facts do the talking & ranking (for Durant ill use his current age/season):

1. Lebron (30/7/9 - 50% fg, got MVP that year and was the best player and just set the record for highest assist average by a non PG in NBA history)
2. Duncan (26/13/4 - 51% fg, got MVP that year, was top 2)
3. Dwight (23/14/1 - 59% fg, got DPOY, was top 3)
4. Durant (28/8/4 - 50% fg, got nothing, was top 2)
5. Wade (27/5/8 - 48% fg, got nothing, was top 3)
6. Garnett (21/12/5 - 47% fg, got nothing, was top 3)
7. Carmelo (28/7/3 - 46% fg, got nothing, was top 5)
8. T-Mac (26/6/6 - 43% fg, got nothing, was top 5)
9. Kobe (24/5/5 - 44% fg, got nothing, was top 5)
10. Dirk (22/9/3 - 46% fg, got nothing, was top 10)

There you go.

how can you select Durant when he hasn't even played at age 25 yet?... if that's allowed, BG should be in the discussion

pauk

08-30-2012, 02:06 AM

how can you select Durant when he hasn't even played at age 25 yet?... if that's allowed, BG should be in the discussion

Good point, forgot about him, not sure if i should just throw out Durant or include Griffin aswell ... 21/11/3 - 55% fg is enough i think to take out Dirk at 10...

EDIT: I added instead Chris Paul, its better to wait for Durant/Griffin to turn 25 first... :)

Bandito

08-30-2012, 02:12 AM

Allen Iverson number 1?

31.1, 4.6 (assists) and 3.8. For a 6'0'' thats preposterous.

pauk

08-30-2012, 02:16 AM

Allen Iverson number 1?

31.1, 4.6 (assists) and 3.8. For a 6'0'' thats preposterous.

31-4-5 @ 42 % FG, got the MVP that year, was top 2-3 best player. That would earn him a place behind Lebron & Duncan on my list (maybe even battling Duncan for that #2 spot).

But... he is not currently an NBA player.

KG215

08-30-2012, 02:16 AM

how can you select Durant when he hasn't even played at age 25 yet?... if that's allowed, BG should be in the discussion

No, he shouldn't. Griffin has had two good seasons with hardly any impact outside of being the second best player on a second round playoff team. Durant has had three very good seasons, three All-NBA first teams, an NBA Finals appearance and WCF appearance as his team's best player.

And I'm shocked...pauk has LeBron at #1. I'm still taking 25 year old Duncan over 25 year old LeBron.

Through their age 25 seasons:

Duncan (5 Seasons): One championship as the lead-dog, 1x MVP, 1x FMVP 5x All-NBA 1st team, 4x All-Defense 1st team, 1x All-Defense 2nd team

LeBron (7 Seasons): One Finals appearance as lead-dog, 2x MVP, 4x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 2x All-Defense 1st team

miles berg

08-30-2012, 02:23 AM

Duncan
Garnett
Kobe
LeBron
Dirk

MetsPackers

08-30-2012, 02:24 AM

Anybody with Kobe at the top of their list is only revealing themselves as a dickriding stan. Kobe's numbers at that age are trash compared to guys like Lebron and TD. Factor in efficiency and Kobe isn't even in the conversation.

pauk

08-30-2012, 02:36 AM

No, he shouldn't. Griffin has had two good seasons with hardly any impact outside of being the second best player on a second round playoff team. Durant has had three very good seasons, three All-NBA first teams, an NBA Finals appearance and WCF appearance as his team's best player.

And I'm shocked...pauk has LeBron at #1. I'm still taking 25 year old Duncan over 25 year old LeBron.

Through their age 25 seasons:

Duncan (5 Seasons): One championship as the lead-dog, 1x MVP, 1x FMVP 5x All-NBA 1st team, 4x All-Defense 1st team, 1x All-Defense 2nd team

LeBron (7 Seasons): One Finals appearance as lead-dog, 2x MVP, 4x All-NBA 1st team, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 2x All-Defense 1st team

Now you are using a different criteria, with those accomplishments you could go with Duncan at #1. But AT 25 Lebron was a better/more dominant overall player, better & more dominant than any player today that was 25.... At 25 we are talking about a 30 point triple double machine here that already established himself in discussions to being the most versatile player in NBA history, he was able to start/play and dominate up to 4 positions offensively & defensively that specific year, that season he started for example PG 15 games in a row in absence of an injured Mo Williams and averaged 30-8-12 (12 assists).. just before that season he put up arguably the greatest playoff productions in NBA history, where as PER would say it was by far #1 most productive with a huge gap...

Duncan was great, amazing, efficient, but was not exactly a better individual talent than this behemoth at 25.

KG215

08-30-2012, 02:40 AM

Now you are using a different criteria, with those accomplishments you could go with Duncan at #1. But AT 25 Lebron was a better/more dominant overall player, better & more dominant than any player today that was 25....

How is that different criteria? That's what each had accomplished through their age 25 seasons. And what exactly makes 25 year old LeBron more dominant than 25 year old Duncan? Just because Duncan wasn't as flashy and mesmerizing with his play doesn't mean he was less dominant; not to mention Duncan, through the age of 25, was a much more impactful and dominant defensive player.

KG215

08-30-2012, 02:44 AM

Good point, forgot about him, not sure if i should just throw out Durant or include Griffin aswell ... 21/11/3 - 55% fg is enough i think to take out Dirk at 10...

No, it's not. Not in any way, shape, form, or fashion. By the age of 25 Dirk had five quality seasons and five really good seasons, and four All-NBA selections.

Blake is only 22 and has two good seasons under his belt, but that's enough for him to bump Dirk off the list. At least wait another season or two to see if he replicates what he did his first two seasons, and makes another All-NBA team or two.

pauk

08-30-2012, 02:46 AM

How is that different criteria? That's what each had accomplished through their age 25 seasons. And what exactly makes 25 year old LeBron more dominant than 25 year old Duncan? Just because Duncan wasn't as flashy and mesmerizing with his play doesn't mean he was less dominant; not to mention Duncan, through the age of 25, was a much more impactful and dominant defensive player.

I edited my post upstairs, the answers are there.

PS: Its a different criteria to what i used, i used the specific season and age (how good they were, what they produced and what they accomplished specifically at that age, THAT season)... not their career accomplishments up to that specific age... there is a difference..

KG215

08-30-2012, 02:54 AM

I edited my post upstairs, the answers are there.

PS: Its a different criteria to what i used, i used the specific season and age... not their career accomplishments up to that specific age... there is a difference..

LeBron wasn't DPOY runner-up in 2009-2010, his age 25 season. He finished fourth in the voting. Not sure where you got that from. He finished 2nd the year before. I guess you're going with their age 24 seasons? That's fine, Duncan still has 4 All-NBA 1st teams, 3 All-Defense 1st teams, an NBA Championship, and a Finals MVP in just four seasons.

And of course you edited it to manipulate the criteria to fit your agenda. You're so biased no one takes you seriously to begin with. LeBron has a case for #1 but, given what Duncan had accomplished by the age of 25 and through his age 25 season, it's hard to take any current NBA player over him at the same age. I'm just supposed to ignore his already one championship as the lead-dog and making All-NBA 1st team five times and All-Defense 1st team four times?

You eliminate what he and LeBron had done through the age of 25 you eliminate a very key part of Duncan's resume, and that's an NBA Championship and Finals MVP.

pauk

08-30-2012, 02:59 AM

LeBron wasn't DPOY runner-up in 2009-2010, his age 25 season. He finished fourth in the voting. Not sure where you got that from. This past season was the only one he's finished second in the DPOY voting.

Thanks for that, didnt remember correctly, the point still stands he was that good defensively.

And of course you edited it to manipulate the criteria to fit your agenda. You're so biased no one takes you seriously to begin with.

I edited it to fit my agenda? No, i just didnt want to make a new post.

Agenda huh? Biased huh? Nice accusation... maybe YOU created that specific criteria to fit YOUR agenda of NOT having Lebron at #1 and having Duncan over him? Both can play the same game. :rolleyes: What proof do i have to your biasness and agenda? NONE... neither do you, so please just excuse me but shut the hell up with those "you are biased/you have agenda" comments, its annoying like hell especially when i do nothing but go after authentic facts and credibility in my statements...

LeBron has a case for #1 but, given what Duncan had accomplished by the age of 25 and through his age 25 season, it's hard to take any current NBA player over him at the same age. I'm just supposed to ignore his already one championship as the lead-dog and making All-NBA 1st team five times and All-Defense 1st team four times?

You eliminate what he and LeBron had done through the age of 25 you eliminate a very key part of Duncan's resume, and that's an NBA Championship and Finals MVP.

I dont care if Tim Duncan won a Championship, he was NOT a better overall player than Lebron at 25. But he did indeed have a better team, a MUCH better team.... and thats the biggest reason to why he got that championship and Lebron didnt.

Once again, you having Duncan at #1 is perfectly fine, i dont care, its your opinion...

That is all, of to bed now, very late here.

ShaqAttack3234

08-30-2012, 03:01 AM

What should I count Duncan and KG as in 2000-2001 and 2001-2002?

What I mean is, Duncan turned 26 in '02 in late April, it was after the regular season, but during the playoffs. He did play in the playoffs, but should I count a player as 26 if they play ball at that age regardless of it's the season or the playoffs? And in KG's case, his 26th birthday was technically during the playoffs too, although he didn't make it that far into the playoffs.

So for now, I guess I'll judge a player's age by what they are/turn during the regular season.

:oldlol: at people listing Durant when we haven't even seen him play at 25.

Anyway....Duncan's '02 and Lebron's '10 are tough to decide between. It's clearly between them. Both had regular seasons that are arguably their best, but relatively disappointing playoff losses, very disappointing in Lebron's case so I'll give Duncan the edge.

1.'02 Duncan
2.'10 Lebron
3.'11 Dwight
4.'02 Garnett
5.'05 T-Mac
6.'07 Wade
7.'10 Melo
8.'04 Kobe
9.'10 Deron
10.'11 Paul

Wade would be higher if he was healthy. Despite Kobe's health, off the court problems, an up and down playoff run and only really playing like himself in the 2nd half of the year, I still have to consider Kobe over Melo. '02 KG and '11 Dwight is also tough. It's tough to rank Kidd from a lockout year as well.

31-4-5 @ 42 % FG, got the MVP that year, was top 2-3 best player. That would earn him a place behind Lebron & Duncan on my list (maybe even battling Duncan for that #2 spot).

Iverson was not a top 2-3 player in 2001. He was top 4 at best. Aside from Shaq, Duncan and Kobe were both clearly better. I had Iverson 5th that year with KG 4th, though I can see a case for either player at 4.

KG215

08-30-2012, 03:12 AM

What should I count Duncan and KG as in 2000-2001 and 2001-2002?

What I mean is, Duncan turned 26 in '02 in late April, it was after the regular season, but during the playoffs. He did play in the playoffs, but should I count a player as 26 if they play ball at that age regardless of it's the season or the playoffs? And in KG's case, his 26th birthday was technically during the playoffs too, although he didn't make it that far into the playoffs.

So for now, I guess I'll judge a player's age by what they are/turn during the regular season.

:oldlol: at people listing Durant when we haven't even seen him play at 25.

Anyway....Duncan's '02 and Lebron's '10 are tough to decide between. It's clearly between them. Both had regular seasons that are arguably their best, but relatively disappointing playoff losses, very disappointing in Lebron's case so I'll give Duncan the edge.

1.'02 Duncan
2.'10 Lebron
3.'11 Dwight
4.'02 Garnett
5.'05 T-Mac
6.'07 Wade
7.'10 Melo
8.'04 Kobe
9.'10 Deron
10.'11 Paul

Wade would be higher if he was healthy. Despite Kobe's health, off the court problems, an up and down playoff run and only really playing like himself in the 2nd half of the year, I still have to consider Kobe over Melo. '02 KG and '11 Dwight is also tough. It's tough to rank Kidd from a lockout year as well.

So I'm guessing you're basing your list solely off what each player did in their age 25 seasons and not their career as a whole through the age of 25?

And like you said, some players birthday's make it tricky since some turn 25 (or 24 or 26) in the middle of the season or during the playoffs.

I haven't really thought out a full top 10, yet, but I'd do it more based off a combination of what each player had accomplished through the age of 25, what they did in their age 25 season, and who I'd pick if I were a GM and had to pick from this group of players to build a team around.

Duncan and LeBron would be #1 and #2, although it's very close. Kobe would be #3, Garnett #4, and it'd be between T-Mac and Dwight at #5.

If I do it solely off their age 25 seasons, though, I agree with your top 5.

BGriffin's Dad

08-30-2012, 03:14 AM

2011 Dwight wasnt that good

KG215

08-30-2012, 03:21 AM

I don't care if Tim Duncan won a Championship, he was NOT a better overall player than Lebron at 25. But he did indeed have a better team, a MUCH better team.... and thats the biggest reason to why he got that championship and Lebron didnt.

Better team, sure, but I wouldn't say the 1998-1999 Spurs were MUCH better than the '08-'09/'09-'10 Cavs. Robinson was past his prime (although he was a better #2 option than Mo Williams) and after that the Spurs had 35 year old Mario Elie, 33 year old Avery Johnson, 30 year old Sean Elliott, Jaren Jackson, and Malik Rose. And if you want to knock him for the championship coming during a lockout season, fine, but it was still second year Duncan leading past his prime David Robinson and a bunch of role players to a championship.

And Duncan didn't have Ginobili during his age 24 or 25 season, and Parker didn't join the team until 2001-2002 when Duncan was 25.

KG215

08-30-2012, 03:24 AM

2011 Dwight wasnt that good

He was DPOY, finished 2nd in the MVP voting, and some thought he should've won it. It was the best season of his career to date.

BlackVVaves

08-30-2012, 04:41 AM

2011 Dwight wasnt that good

Yea. It was only his best season to date, and a season where he was probably the MVP if all things were equal (MVP wasn't awarded to the player with the best "storyline").

Let's forget his DPOY award too.

Certainly not that good. :facepalm

00playboy00

08-30-2012, 08:31 AM

Vince Carter
Tracy McGrady
Tim Duncan
Dwayne Wade
Lebron James
Steve Francis
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Allen Iverson
Shaq

NumberSix

08-30-2012, 08:55 AM

I think it would be

1.Kobe
2.Duncan
3.lebron
4.kg
5.wade
6.t-Mac
7.dirk
8.Durant
9.Dwight
10.Nash

Urs?
:biggums:

For all we know, he's injured for the entire year when he's 25.

lilgodfather1

08-30-2012, 12:24 PM

LeBron/Duncan should be the clear 1A/1B of this list with KG imo coming in 3rd when you factor in his amazing D.

1.LeBron/Duncan
3.KG
4. Dwight
5. Garnett
6. T-Mac
7. Wade
8. Melo
9. Kobe
10. Dirk

You can make a case for Deron, and Paul, but that is my personal list.

Odinn

08-30-2012, 07:35 PM

What should I count Duncan and KG as in 2000-2001 and 2001-2002?

What I mean is, Duncan turned 26 in '02 in late April, it was after the regular season, but during the playoffs. He did play in the playoffs, but should I count a player as 26 if they play ball at that age regardless of it's the season or the playoffs? And in KG's case, his 26th birthday was technically during the playoffs too, although he didn't make it that far into the playoffs.

So for now, I guess I'll judge a player's age by what they are/turn during the regular season.

:oldlol: at people listing Durant when we haven't even seen him play at 25.

Anyway....Duncan's '02 and Lebron's '10 are tough to decide between. It's clearly between them. Both had regular seasons that are arguably their best, but relatively disappointing playoff losses, very disappointing in Lebron's case so I'll give Duncan the edge.

1.'02 Duncan
2.'10 Lebron
3.'11 Dwight
4.'02 Garnett
5.'05 T-Mac
6.'07 Wade
7.'10 Melo
8.'04 Kobe
9.'10 Deron
10.'11 Paul

Wade would be higher if he was healthy. Despite Kobe's health, off the court problems, an up and down playoff run and only really playing like himself in the 2nd half of the year, I still have to consider Kobe over Melo. '02 KG and '11 Dwight is also tough. It's tough to rank Kidd from a lockout year as well.

Iverson was not a top 2-3 player in 2001. He was top 4 at best. Aside from Shaq, Duncan and Kobe were both clearly better. I had Iverson 5th that year with KG 4th, though I can see a case for either player at 4.
Great list. But I'd take three of '08 Amare, '07 Arenas, '01 Allen and '03 Pierce over '04 Kobe, '10 Deron and '11 Paul.

kennethgriffin

08-30-2012, 07:47 PM

this is a dumb thread... just say if everyone was in their prime

cause a single year could mean any random guy could be dealing with rehab or playing with 3 other guys that take away from your game

i.e. 2004 kobe ( still first team all nba, but not one of his best 10 seasons in the league, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 were all better ) dealing with coming off knee surgery, rape cases, fueds and sharing with shaq, payton, malone... i'm sure a healthy 25 year old kobe on his own team would have been just as good as his 2003 version. but it wasnt the case

wagexslave

08-30-2012, 08:18 PM

Do people not realize Steve Nash wasn't a fulltime starter at age 25 and averaged 9 and 5?:confusedshrug:
Less minutes played =/= Worse

Dat untapped potential

lilblasta

08-30-2012, 09:13 PM

greymatter

08-30-2012, 10:24 PM

I think it would be

1.Kobe
2.Duncan
3.lebron
4.kg
5.wade
6.t-Mac
7.dirk
8.Durant
9.Dwight
10.Nash

Urs?

08-09 Lebron (25y/o) was easily better than any version of any of the players you listed. Only ones anywhere close are 01-02 Duncan and 02-04 KG.

greymatter

08-30-2012, 10:49 PM

Everyone in this thread seems to be ranking each player according to how good their season was at 25. I think the OP intended for this to be if everyone in the league were 25 today, who would be the best, not who had the best season at 25.

If that is the case its pretty much what the OP listed

1 Kobe
2 Duncan
3 Lebron
4 t-mac
5 KG
6 Dirk
7 Wade
8 Durant
9 Dwight
10 Kidd[/QUOTE]

If the idea is to basically give a fountain of youth so that everyone can be in their primes again but with the badded experience and whatever skills they developed as they got older, then the only ones who would best any of their previous prime seasons would be Kidd, KG, and Lebron. Basically the guys with the highest basketball IQs. Not to say that Duncan doesn't have a high IQ, it's that he was never a physical specimen and he was mostly a finished product to begin with. He was very consistent and only had 1 season that stood out from the rest during his prime when he won MVP.

Top 5 would be:

1. Lebron
2 -5. interchangeable list between KG, Wade, Duncan, and Kobe.

dyna

08-30-2012, 11:02 PM

1) Duncan
2) Lebron
3) KG
4) Kobe
5) T mac
6) Wade
7) Carter
8) Dwight
9) Kidd
10) Durant
11) Nowitzkil
12) Paul
13) Nash
14) Melo
15) Deron

ShaqAttack3234

08-31-2012, 03:01 AM

So I'm guessing you're basing your list solely off what each player did in their age 25 seasons and not their career as a whole through the age of 25?

And like you said, some players birthday's make it tricky since some turn 25 (or 24 or 26) in the middle of the season or during the playoffs.

I haven't really thought out a full top 10, yet, but I'd do it more based off a combination of what each player had accomplished through the age of 25, what they did in their age 25 season, and who I'd pick if I were a GM and had to pick from this group of players to build a team around.

Duncan and LeBron would be #1 and #2, although it's very close. Kobe would be #3, Garnett #4, and it'd be between T-Mac and Dwight at #5.

If I do it solely off their age 25 seasons, though, I agree with your top 5.

Yeah, I rank players in a given season, I go by how good they were in that particular season and how well they played.

For all-time rankings, I mainly look at their true prime, though, typically a player's best 4-5 seasons from their mid 20's until their early 30's. I wouldn't like to rank players all-time just based on their peak so prime makes more sense to me, perhaps with slight other considerations.

But for a particular season? Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense to me personally to look at any other seasons.

As for birthdays. I think that the fairest thing to do is go by what age they turn during the regular season, or if they don't have a birthday during the regular season, just go by the age they are throughout the regular season.

However, I still think it'd be ok to go by what age they turn in the playoffs.

But some of the age listings I'm seeing in this thread don't make a lot of sense. For example I'm seeing Wade listed as '06-'07(and rightfully so). His birthday is January 1982. But I'm seeing '09-'10 Bosh and he turned 26 in March of 2010. So there isn't any consistency including both '07 Wade and '10 Bosh as 25. If you're going to count '06-'07 Wade then '08-'09 would be the right season to use for Bosh.

Everyone in this thread seems to be ranking each player according to how good their season was at 25. I think the OP intended for this to be if everyone in the league were 25 today, who would be the best, not who had the best season at 25.

How can you determine how good a player was at 25 other than the season when they were 25? I'm only including what they had in their game at 25, and obviously how well they used their ability.

If every player was 25, how good they were at 22, 23 ect. isn't relevant because they'd be 25 and in most cases, better.

And why did you include Durant who hasn't even turned 25? We have no way of knowing how good he'll be at 25?

RoseCity07

08-31-2012, 03:02 AM

Brandon Roy was pretty good at 25. A super clutch two guard that could close games doesn't make the cut?

Cali Syndicate

08-31-2012, 03:43 AM

Brandon Roy was pretty good at 25. A super clutch two guard that could close games doesn't make the cut?

Roy deserves a mention. So does Grant Hill.

ShaqAttack3234

08-31-2012, 03:53 AM

Roy deserves a mention. So does Grant Hill.

:oldlol: I forgot both were in the NBA, Roy is attempting a comeback. Roy was better at 24 years old, still very good at 25, but not quite good enough to make my top 10 list.

I'll have to think about editing my list and adding Hill now that you mention him.

arifgokcen

08-31-2012, 04:17 AM

I dont understand why everyone is ranking lebron so low.By any statistical measure eye test or clutch performance lebron at 25 is by far the best player

Dont forget he was averaging 67ppg in clutch situations.A mark nobody was able to pull off.Another thing no player has ring argument at 25.

After that duncan is #2

Another thing kobe at 25 was not that good.At 26-27 he was fantastic but at 25 he was mediocre by his standards

TAZORAC

08-31-2012, 05:08 AM

I think it would be

1.Kobe
2.Duncan
3.lebron
4.kg
5.wade
6.t-Mac
7.dirk
8.Durant
9.Dwight
10.Nash

Urs?

Kobe has NEVER been good as Lebron. Lebron is a 1 man team if he needs to be, Kobe has always been a great player but never 1 man team status.

Anaximandro1

08-31-2012, 07:08 AM

1.Duncan

2.LeBron

Not sure about Wade,Kobe,T-Mac,Iverson,Dirk,KG,Durant...

Mrofir

08-31-2012, 11:42 AM

I didn't read past the 1st page cause my connection is crap at the moment but:

Grant Hill makes this list. Pretty crazy nobody mentioned him, at least through what I read. He is the Tim Duncan type in the Kobe\Wade\Mcgrady category.

PS and I'm a huge steve nash fan but he does NOT make this list at age 25, are you kidding me Lakers fans?

thelucifer69

08-31-2012, 11:51 AM

1. Kobe

gap

2. Duncan
3. Tmac
4. KG
5. Dirk
6. Dwight
7. Wade
8. Durant
9. Carmelo
10. Nash

Did I forgot someone? :confusedshrug:

LOL no LBJ

you're pathetic

Umad101

08-31-2012, 12:14 PM

Thank u someone gets it I'm not basing the list base on what player did that season but their potential at age 25
Everyone in this thread seems to be ranking each player according to how good their season was at 25. I think the OP intended for this to be if everyone in the league were 25 today, who would be the best, not who had the best season at 25.

If that is the case its pretty much what the OP listed

1 Kobe
2 Duncan
3 Lebron
4 t-mac
5 KG
6 Dirk
7 Wade
8 Durant
9 Dwight
10 Kidd

lilgodfather1

08-31-2012, 12:16 PM