#18 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Karl Malone was voted the #17 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

25 PPG | 10.1 RPG | 3.6 APG

2

[Gabuyaux]

Barkley

[INDI]

Elgin Baylor

[Harison]

Hmm, Baylor maybe.

[JellyBean]

Elgin Baylor

[Heavincent]

Charles Barkley

[BlackVVaves]

Bob Pettit.

2-time MVP. Beat the dynasty Celtics in the NBA Finals for his championship. you know. The team that guy Bill Russell was playing on at the time. And Bob Cousy.

Yea, those guys.

[Kblaze8855]

While I generally try to increase the respect paid to Bob...I think it has to be said that Russell was injured in those finals. He balled...but Russell was hurt and out a good bit. It isnt by chance they only lost once in his first 10 years...and it was when he was hurt in the finals.

[BlackVVaves]

While I generally try to increase the respect paid to Bob...I think it has to be said that Russell was injured in those finals. He balled...but Russell was hurt and out a good bit. It isnt by chance they only lost once in his first 10 years...and it was when he was hurt in the finals.

Yes, however that shouldn't take away from the dominant performance Pettit had that post-season, and really year.

It may dampen the weight of his Finals win, but not performance, or ultimate achievement in bringing the "Hawks" their only championship, wouldn't you say?

[sagr32]

Baylor

[Freedom Kid7]

To the greatest little man, Isiah Thomas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7BmIVHdl3o&feature=relmfu)

[IGotACoolStory]

http://nbadunkers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/isiah-Thomas.jpg

[Sakkreth]

Barkley.

[Round Mound]

Malone 5 APG? :facepalm When? :confusedshrug: You Might Have Made a Mistake for Charels Barkleys 1993 Season.

Malone Better than Barkley? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BlackVVaves]

Wouldn't be mad if Baylor won either.

But there's no way a sensible poster making a decision based on knowledge and fact....rather than favorite memories....can make a case for Isiah Thomas over Pettit or Baylor. In no way, shape, or form did he dominate his era or position the way Bob Pettit and Elgin Baylor did.

Then again. Sensible isn't exactly the word I'd use to describe the typical ISH poster...

[bballnoob1192]

Malone 5 APG? :facepalm When? :confusedshrug: You Might Have Made a Mistake for Charels Barkleys 1993 Season.

Malone Better than Barkley? :roll: :roll: :roll:

elgin baylor just to piss off round mound

[Deuce Bigalow]

Malone 5 APG? :facepalm When? :confusedshrug: You Might Have Made a Mistake for Charels Barkleys 1993 Season.

Malone Better than Barkley? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Yeah..my mistake. It's 3.6.

[Round Mound]

Yeah..my mistake. It's 3.6.

Actually More of a Mistake is Putting Malone the Play-Off Chocker Over Barkley But Oh Well Its ISH

[TylerOO]

Bynum

[Snoop_Cat]

Baylor. How on earth is Malone better than Barkley?

[nycelt84]

Bob Pettit

[FreezingTsmoove]

Baylor

[RoundMoundOfReb]

David Robinson.

Idk how Garnett and Malone beat out Barkley.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Actually More of a Mistake is Putting Malone the Play-Off Chocker Over Barkley But Oh Well Its ISH
It's rare to see a drop off in shooting percentage they Malone had.

Regular Season: .577% TS, .518% eFG, .516% FG
Playoffs: .526% TS, .463% eFG%, .463% FG

[Round Mound]

It's rare to see a drop off in shooting percentage they Malone had.

Regular Season: .577% TS, .518% eFG, .516% FG
Playoffs: .526% TS, .463% eFG%, .463% FG

Huge Drop Off. We all Know Most For "Most" Players Drop Off a Bit But Well For Malone It Was Known He Was Never a Clutch Performer.

Sure he had Good Games but Never in the Level of Prime Barkley:

Barkley`s Play-Offs: 23 PPG /51% FG/ 12.9 RPG/ 3.9 APG/ 1.6 SPG/ 0.9 BPG
TS%: 58.4%/ 53.0% eFG%

[oolalaa]

I'm gunna vote for Isiah Thomas just to piss Round Mound off....

ISIAH THOMAS

[Mike Barrett]

Why is Brandon Roy not on the list?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Baylor, Pettit, Barkley, Dirk, and Robinson all have a good case here.

[pauk]

http://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/11/9/bookcoverCharlesBarkley-IMayBeWrong.jpg

[Colbertnation64]

Baylor, Pettit, Barkley, Dirk, and Robinson all have a good case here.
I think Mikan also should be around this slot. Ignoring the era he did have a HUGE hand in not only saving the NBA but inventing modern basketball. I would've started voting for him at 15 but I know there's no way many other would agree so I probably wont start voting for him until 20.

Anyways, Baylor.

[BlackVVaves]

http://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/11/9/bookcoverCharlesBarkley-IMayBeWrong.jpg

Career wise, you think Barkley > Pettit?

Player wise, you think Barkley > Baylor?

How come?

[MetsPackers]

Gonna have to go with Bynum also

Its already obvious the guy is going to be a HOF center when its all said and done. Did you guys see how efficient he was this year? Complete with an all star appearance too. Surprised Malone and some of the other guys got on the list above him as well

18.7/11.8/1.5/2

#18 ALL-TIME: ANDREW BYNUM

THE GOD!!

http://lakernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/andrew.jpg

[Heilige]

George Mikan

[Deuce Bigalow]

Top 5 in MVP Voting

Pettit - 8 times, won MVP twice in '56, '59
Baylor - 7 times
Robinson - 5 times, won MVP in '95
Barkley - 4 times, won MVP in '93
Dirk - 3 times, won MVP in '07
Thomas - 1 time

Pettit also has a Championship and if the award existed back then he would have a Finals MVP award.

Dirk won a championship and Finals MVP

Robinson also has a DPOY, and was a 2nd option in 2 Championships.

Thomas has 2 Championships and a Finals MVP. But was he on the level of the others?

[Deuce Bigalow]

I think Mikan also should be around this slot. Ignoring the era he did have a HUGE hand in not only saving the NBA but inventing modern basketball. I would've started voting for him at 15 but I know there's no way many other would agree so I probably wont start voting for him until 20.

Anyways, Baylor.
5 Championships and would probably have all 5 Finals MVP awards, and multiple MVPs if the awards existed at the time.

There was no shot-clock and the times were different. But this is all-time though so yes he belongs I guess. People penalize him for the era he's play in but was it really that much different from Russell and Wilt? Mikan won his last Championship in '54, Russell won his first Championship in '57, and Wilt was drafted in '59.

[Eric Cartman]

Charles Barkley.

[arifgokcen]

Barkley

[L.Kizzle]

Lol, still no Baylor. :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'm going to go with Bob Pettit

Champion
2 MVPs
Top 5 in MVP Voting 8 times
11x All-Star
10x All-NBA First Team
2x Scoring Champ

He was the first player ever to win the NBA MVP and one of 2 players to defeat the Bill Russell Dynasty Celtics in the Playoffs, the other was Wilt in '67.

[Colbertnation64]

5 Championships and would probably have all 5 Finals MVP awards, and multiple MVPs if the awards existed at the time.

There was no shot-clock and the times were different. But this is all-time though so yes he belongs I guess. People penalize him for the era he's play in but was it really that much different from Russell and Wilt? Mikan won his last Championship in '54, Russell won his first Championship in '57, and Wilt was drafted in '59.
Honestly? Yeah, it was a TON different. Basketball changed radically during the time. I've watched a ton of 50's tape as well as 60's. The 50's provided the stepping stone for modern basketball while the 60's really helped complete the transformation.

With all that in mind though, the whole reason for all of that happening is because of guys like Mikan. So when making an all time list he deserves to be at least top 20. Since it's so hard to compare players across eras we gotta do it by how they did in their era.

I posted about this earlier, but no one ever says "Issac Newton isn't a top 10 scientist all time, I learned about the laws of motion in 3rd grade". Now a days we learn Mikans moves in grade school(actually, big men use the "Mikan Drill" to practice their hook shots) but he was an innovator and the guy that really set the foundation for modern basketball.

[JBull]

Barkley, one of the greater players who didn't win a title in their careers.

[INDI]

Actually More of a Mistake is Putting Malone the Play-Off Chocker Over Barkley But Oh Well Its ISH

The thing that I think gives Malone the nod is because his role was clearly defined. You knew what he was gonna give you but couldn't stop it, barkley's gift and Achilles heel was the fact that he was a hybrid.

Hybrids are great but hard to build around, some nights he'll murder from the perimeter and other nights from the paint. That's great for fans but whatever he's doing, his teammates have to pick up the slack and that is impossible to build consistency that way.

If you want to sell tickets go with Barkley. If you need a go to player go with Malone

[KOBE143]

Barkley

Pls dont count vote from people who just want to piss someone..

[hangintheair]

Charles Barkley: I am better than Malone!!

So no. 17 should be Sir Charles. But anyways my vote is for Barkley!!

[Sarcastic]

Isiah Thomas.

[StateOfMind12]

I'm deciding between Dirk Nowitzki or David Robinson, but it seems like neither is likely to win here, I don't think. Someone should do a tally so far.

My top 5 rankings for who is next is this..

1. Dirk/Robinson
2. Robinson/Dirk
3. Barkley
4. Baylor
5. Barry

I'm actually considering putting Barry over Baylor.

[L.Kizzle]

I'm deciding between Dirk Nowitzki or David Robinson, but it seems like neither is likely to win here, I don't think. Someone should do a tally so far.

My top 5 rankings for who is next is this..

1. Dirk/Robinson
2. Robinson/Dirk
3. Barkley
4. Baylor
5. Barry

I'm actually considering putting Barry over Baylor.
Why because he won a championship in 1975?

If prime Baylor played in the league then instead of 15 years earlier, he'd have a title too.

[iDunk]

Barkley

[ImmortalD24]

Dirk Nowitzki

[chazzy]

Dirk

[kennethgriffin]

wait.... holdup



you all voted karl malone ahead of ELGIN BAYLOR?



:facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

the real top 20 players ever


1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Jerry West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Bob Petit
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. Lebron James
18. Karl Malone
19. Isaiah Thomas
20. Charles Barkley



honestly .. this message board is full of god damn idiots... atleast 80%

[Kblaze8855]

Why because he won a championship in 1975?

If prime Baylor played in the league then instead of 15 years earlier, he'd have a title too.
Based on what?

What could you possibly have seen to conclude that?

Barry was a 36/9/5 player who led a team that swept Baylor and the Lakers out of the playoffs and made the finals...when he was in his second season. And by all accounts he was a much better all around player by the 70s.

Baylor may have been better...doesnt mean hes gonna win on Barrys team. Baylor spent his entire prime playing the Way Barry did early. Right down to amazing finals numbers on "WTf?" level field goal attempts. Dude put up 41ppg in the finals vs what was at the time(and may still be) the GOAT team. He had 38/8/7, 30/10, 55/12/5, 43/7, 36/10, and 44/6. He actually tied Baylors finals record for made shots...22.

He did pretty much exactly what Baylor did in the earlier 60s. Shoot so much it looks like a typo by our standards(he took 40 shots twice that series) and put up numbers.

If Barry does 36ppg in the late 60s why couldnt he break 40ppg in the early 60s?

I dont know that what they actually did justifies the "Well if Baylor were in his shoes" talk. Baylor had his shot. And the greenest light of all time. And a team good enough that Jerry West took it to the finals without him.

He lost like 3 game 7s by 5 or 6 total points. He went 6-22 in one of them before he had even fallen off. 6-22 in a 2 point game 7 loss.

What evidence is there that barry couldnt do better? The celtics were not unbeatable. Nobody stepped up to beat them till 67. Baylor had chance after chance.

Barry proved he could go into the "Well...we all know who is gonna win this...." series and come out on top. Not fair to him to just say Baylor has titles in his place when Baylor lost on the big stage like 8 times and Barry led multiple teams there and actually got it done against huge odds with a team half as talented as the opponent.

[longtime lurker]

the real top 20 players ever


1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Jerry West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Bob Petit
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. Lebron James
18. Karl Malone
19. Isaiah Thomas
20. Charles Barkley



honestly .. this message board is full of god damn idiots... atleast 80%

As ridiculous as this list is, it's still not as bad as the top 20 on ISH :oldlol:

[KG215]

the real top 20 players ever


1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Jerry West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Bob Petit
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. Lebron James
18. Karl Malone
19. Isaiah Thomas
20. Charles Barkley



honestly .. this message board is full of god damn idiots... atleast 80%

So everyone is an idiot because they don't agree with you?

[DirtySanchez]

George Mikan

http://http://www.latimes.com/includes/projects/img/lakers/bio_photos/george_mikan.jpg

[Round Mound]

The thing that I think gives Malone the nod is because his role was clearly defined. You knew what he was gonna give you but couldn't stop it, barkley's gift and Achilles heel was the fact that he was a hybrid.

Hybrids are great but hard to build around, some nights he'll murder from the perimeter and other nights from the paint. That's great for fans but whatever he's doing, his teammates have to pick up the slack and that is impossible to build consistency that way.

If you want to sell tickets go with Barkley. If you need a go to player go with Malone

Bird was Hybrid.... Magic was a Hybrid...They Just Happened to Have Great Teams and Teamates. And Malone NEVER APPEARED in the Play-Offs that is Stockton-To-Malone Dependancy. There isn`t any Skill in Basketball Other than FT Shooting that Malone was Better than Barkley at.

[bluechox2]

Pippen

[pauk]

Career wise, you think Barkley > Pettit?

Player wise, you think Barkley > Baylor?

How come?

We have come to a point in the ranking list where its extremly difficult, sensitive and subjective to pick one guy and act like only that single guy should be infront without have anybody disagree with you.... as you can use Pettit, Barkley, Mikan, Dirk, Garnett, Robinson, Isiah Thomas, Baylor, Bob Cousy, Havlicek(?) and so on to be around this spot, not many will agree with your choice, as each and every of them have different criterias to go after...

Especially Barkley who in this case doesnt have a championship compared to those others (and Baylor), but has i feel advantage in his amazing & unique player talent/skill (i thoroughly saw his talent/skill compared to Baylor which i have seen zero game footage from except for the casual weird looking b&w jumpshot from him on youtube).... same goes for Baylor, but i went with Barkley as i dont have such big compassion for weaker eras (compared to the 80s-90s) with much higher pace & possessions and ofcourse lack of visual/witnessing knowledge of how good for example Baylor truly was.... i could go with simply Baylors accolades instead, but even then i feel those doesnt separate him either next to the MVP Barkley anyways...

As i said, confusing, hard, subjective... you name it..... At the end of it all, i feel Barkley has accomplished enough to to be here and that is at the end of it all my random choice to be honest.... there is a criteria, but i mostly picked him because i had to pick one of them... :) I wont feel weird about any of those guy landing a spot here... they all deserved it in different criterias, shapes and forms...

[Round Mound]

Barkley Below Malone is a Disrespect for People Who Saw the NBA in the 80s and Early 90s. Thats all I Will Post in This Thread.

[rhythmic]

Pettit, about 3 spots too low already.

[Sakkreth]

the real top 20 players ever


1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Jerry West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Bob Petit
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. Lebron James
18. Karl Malone
19. Isaiah Thomas
20. Charles Barkley



honestly .. this message board is full of god damn idiots... atleast 80%
Lol this guy is trolling look at 6.

[DirtySanchez]

Lol this guy is trolling look at 6.

He belongs right there.

[dyna]

Charles Barkley

[Deuce Bigalow]

Here is how the ISH's Top 20 looked like in 2007:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
-----
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas

Baylor, Pettit, Hondo, and Mikan are all going to be rated much lower this time around for some reason.

[StateOfMind12]

Vote: Dirk Nowitzki


I need to do the tally count.

[therammingman]

rod strickland

[StateOfMind12]

Barkley - 11
Baylor - 8
Pettit - 4
Isiah - 3
Bynum - 2
Mikan - 2
Robinson - 1
Nowitzki - 3
Pippen - 1

[longtime lurker]

Here is how the ISH's Top 20 looked like in 2007:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
-----
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas

Baylor, Pettit, Hondo, and Mikan are all going to be rated much lower this time around for some reason.

Well since 2007 Kobe, Garnett and LEbron all have a case for the top 20. So at least 2 of the guys on that list need to go. Baylor being so low is definitely mind boggling.

[Horatio33]

John Havlicek.

Malone being top 20 is a joke. Stockton made him.

[Coffee Black]

My god man, Elgin Baylor!

[ImmortalD24]

Change my vote to Elgin Baylor. The level of disrespect he's getting is just sickening.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#18 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

11- Charles Barkley
10- Elgin Baylor
4- Bob Pettit
4- Isiah Thomas
2- George Mikan
2- Dirk Nowitzki
1- David Robinson
1- Scottie Pippen
1- John Havlicek

[Bodhi]

David Robinson

The man peaked at 30/11/5 with incredible defense. Top 3 all time when it comes to advanced stats. He just had some bad luck in the playoffs