Hilton Armstrong: "Panathinaikos is the biggest step of my career."

[Euroleague]

http://www.eurohoops.net/2012/08/dribbling/8923

By Niki Bakouli/ bakouli@eurohoops.net

There isn

[StateOfMind12]

He is excited to get a statue built for him and win multiple MVPs in that weak league.

[KG215]

Just another NBA scrub realizing it'd be easier to make a name for himself in the Euroleague.

[Euroleague]

Armstong will earn $900,000 for the season. He was signed to be Panathinaikos' backup center.

[StateOfMind12]

Just another NBA scrub realizing it'd be easier to make a name for himself in the Euroleague.
I heard Hilton means Hakeem in Greek.

[ImmortalNemesis]

A legend in the making.

[coin24]

He will dominate that scrub league:lol

[AlonzoGOAT]

Euroleague MVP :bowdown:

[fpliii]

Euroleague - not sure if you remember, but you suggested a few games to watch about a month ago...I've checked a few out, and will watch the rest when I have more time

from my understanding, the Euroleague season (or tournament, haven't really done much research on the format yet) is beginning soon, so I figured I'd try to watch some live games this year

I have a few questions:

(1) can you explain the format?
(2) when does this all start, and what are the important dates to keep in mind?
(3) my two principal ethnicities are Italian and German, which both seem to be fairly well represented; what can you tell me about the two teams (key players, recent success, etc.) from each country playing this year (Montepaschi Siena, Emporio Armani Milano for Italy and ALBA Berlin, Brose Baskets Bamberg for Germany)?

[Euroleague]

Euroleague - not sure if you remember, but you suggested a few games to watch about a month ago...I've checked a few out, and will watch the rest when I have more time

from my understanding, the Euroleague season (or tournament, haven't really done much research on the format yet) is beginning soon, so I figured I'd try to watch some live games this year

I have a few questions:

(1) can you explain the format?
(2) when does this all start, and what are the important dates to keep in mind?
(3) my two principal ethnicities are Italian and German, which both seem to be fairly well represented; what can you tell me about the two teams (key players, recent success, etc.) from each country playing this year (Montepaschi Siena, Emporio Armani Milano for Italy and ALBA Berlin, Brose Baskets Bamberg for Germany)?

http://www.euroleague.net/ has everything that you are looking for there. Just check out the website.

As for the two German clubs, don't expect much. Neither of them are any good at all.

As for the two Italian clubs, Milano has a very good team, with lots of good players. Siena has some good players, but their basically almost an entirely new team, so no relation at all to the team that won 6 straight Italian titles.

I would say Milano has a shot at making the Euroleague Final Four, but they would probably not be favored to do so.

[DStebb716]

lance armstrong gets his titles taken, neil armstrong gets his life taken, hilton armstrong gets his mvp god status virginity taken.

[StacksOnDeck]

Just another scrub that couldn't make it in the NBA realizing how bad the Euroleague is. I won't be surprised if he's dubbed the European Ewing.

[jbot]

I heard Hilton means Hakeem in Greek.
:oldlol: funny and true.

this is his "biggest step" in his career? wow, what an idiot.

[MiseryCityTexas]

I remember when the Rockets got Hilton Armstrong in a trade. Rockets fans were happy that they finally had a backup 7 footer on the team, until he played basketball.

[Optimus Prime]

I predict Shaq-like dominance for this bum who couldn't get off the pine in the NBA.

Hilton Armstrong Euroleague Dominance:

35 pts/15 rbs/5 blks

:bowdown:

:kobe:

[fpliii]

http://www.euroleague.net/ has everything that you are looking for there. Just check out the website.

As for the two German clubs, don't expect much. Neither of them are any good at all.

As for the two Italian clubs, Milano has a very good team, with lots of good players. Siena has some good players, but their basically almost an entirely new team, so no relation at all to the team that won 6 straight Italian titles.

I would say Milano has a shot at making the Euroleague Final Four, but they would probably not be favored to do so.

thanks

so on the site they explain the format well (as well as noting the important dates):

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/format

are the games in the round-robin home and home, or played at a neutral site?

I guess I'll back Milano (the soccer team I support is Inter, and that's where part of my family hails from, so I guess it makes sense)

I'll do some research on them, but do they have any star players I should look out for? there's still some time before games start, so I guess I have time to look into this

[Fiba basketball]

thanks

so on the site they explain the format well (as well as noting the important dates):

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/format

are the games in the round-robin home and home, or played at a neutral site?

I guess I'll back Milano (the soccer team I support is Inter, and that's where part of my family hails from, so I guess it makes sense)

I'll do some research on them, but do they have any star players I should look out for? there's still some time before games start, so I guess I have time to look into this
Only final four is played on neutral site . As for Milano , they have a lot of good players and their best player is Langford but I wouldn't call him a star . Langford is in my ( and many others I have spoke with ) oppinion best 1 on 1 player in Europe , if you become a fan of Milano than you will become a fan of him as well . Best games in Euroleague are played in later in the season but there will be some great games in regular part of the season too like Barcelona vs CSKA . I would advise you not to miss that game because those two clubs are favorites for winning Euroleague and theres a big chance they will meet in finals or semi finals .

[Euroleague]

thanks

so on the site they explain the format well (as well as noting the important dates):

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/format

are the games in the round-robin home and home, or played at a neutral site?

I guess I'll back Milano (the soccer team I support is Inter, and that's where part of my family hails from, so I guess it makes sense)

I'll do some research on them, but do they have any star players I should look out for? there's still some time before games start, so I guess I have time to look into this

The qualification round games are played at the same arena. The home arena of Cantu. The final four games are played at a neutral court in London. The other games are played as home and home contests in regular season and top 16, and as a 2-3 format in the playoffs.

The best player on Milano is Bourousis. But they have lots of good players.

Cook
Langford (huge ball hog though)
Basile (huge chucker though)
Hairston
Gentile
Fotsis
Melli
Bourousis
Hendrix

They are all quite good players, but Bourousis is definitely the best player on the team. After that the next best player is probably Fotsis or Hairston.

[Euroleague]

Only final four is played on neutral site . As for Milano , they have a lot of good players and their best player is Langford but I wouldn't call him a star . Langford is in my ( and many others I have spoke with ) oppinion best 1 on 1 player in Europe , if you become a fan of Milano than you will become a fan of him as well . Best games in Euroleague are played in later in the season but there will be some great games in regular part of the season too like Barcelona vs CSKA . I would advise you not to miss that game because those two clubs are favorites for winning Euroleague and theres a big chance they will meet in finals or semi finals .

Langford is a better one on one player than guys like McCalebb, Navarro, and Spanoulis?..........I don't think so.

Best one on one players in Europe would be,

Spanoulis, Navarro, McCalebb

then guys like

Rakocevic, Domercant, Teodosic, Ukic, Jamon Lucas, Halperin

then guys like

Langford, Lakovic (was better one on one player than Langford in his prime)

[CeltsGarlic]

The qualification round games are played at the same arena. The home arena of Cantu. The final four games are played at a neutral court in London. The other games are played as home and home contests in regular season and top 16, and as a 2-3 format in the playoffs.

The best player on Milano is Bourousis. But they have lots of good players.

Cook
Langford (huge ball hog though)
Basile (huge chucker though)
Hairston
Gentile
Fotsis
Melli
Bourousis
Hendrix

They are all quite good players, but Bourousis is definitely the best player on the team. After that the next best player is probably Fotsis or Hairston.

Oh man, stop it, alright? Landford proved that he is not ballhog in Israel, Basile is one of the best shooters ever, and definitely not chucker, and Bourousis is NOT the best player. Enough with that greece BS! Keith will be their go to guy and their best player.

[Euroleague]

Oh man, stop it, alright? Landford proved that he is not ballhog in Israel, Basile is one of the best shooters ever, and definitely not chucker, and Bourousis is NOT the best player. Enough with that greece BS! Keith will be their go to guy and their best player.

Stop it. ENOUGH with your Lithuanian racist BULLSHIT and lies.

Langford will NOT be their best player. No way in hell is he as good as guys like Hairston and Bourousis. Not even remotely close.

[kennethgriffin]

http://www.eurohoops.net/2012/08/dribbling/8923

By Niki Bakouli/ bakouli@eurohoops.net

There isn’t any official announcement yet by Panathinaikos, but Hilton Armstrong is considering himself a player of the Greens, and he talked about his decision to journalist Marinos Printezis in the newspaper “Sportday”.

“I know really well what I signed up for. Panathinaikos is a great club, one of Europe’s finest. I'm so happy with my decision”. After his manager told him about Panathinaikos’ offer, “I needed two days to discuss it with my family. They always have an important role to my decisions. After we agreed on coming to Athens altogether, I accepted the offer. I have big ambitions and my new team plays at the highest level. It means a lot, they got six times the European championship, plus many more domestic titles. It’s the biggest step of my career. I am ready to give my best. I cannot wait to come to Athens next week, and to learn all about my new team, and to meet my new teammates. I am really excited. I’m a team player and I’m looking forward to meeting my coach, and he can be sure that from now I am going to give whatever he needs me to give, for our team to be the best possible one”.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NNx26bkI9I

[Kevin Love]

Stop it. ENOUGH with your Lithuanian racist BULLSHIT and lies.

Langford will NOT be their best player. No way in hell is he as good as guys like Hairston and Bourousis. Not even remotely close.

Stop it. ENOUGH with your ACCUSATIONS and lies.

What did he say that was remotely close to being racist?

[bballer]

mind=blown y'all don't have Euroleague on ignore

[Euroleague]

Stop it. ENOUGH with your ACCUSATIONS and lies.

What did he say that was remotely close to being racist?

What he said was purely racist.

[fpliii]

Only final four is played on neutral site . As for Milano , they have a lot of good players and their best player is Langford but I wouldn't call him a star . Langford is in my ( and many others I have spoke with ) oppinion best 1 on 1 player in Europe , if you become a fan of Milano than you will become a fan of him as well . Best games in Euroleague are played in later in the season but there will be some great games in regular part of the season too like Barcelona vs CSKA . I would advise you not to miss that game because those two clubs are favorites for winning Euroleague and theres a big chance they will meet in finals or semi finals .


The qualification round games are played at the same arena. The home arena of Cantu. The final four games are played at a neutral court in London. The other games are played as home and home contests in regular season and top 16, and as a 2-3 format in the playoffs.

The best player on Milano is Bourousis. But they have lots of good players.

Cook
Langford (huge ball hog though)
Basile (huge chucker though)
Hairston
Gentile
Fotsis
Melli
Bourousis
Hendrix

They are all quite good players, but Bourousis is definitely the best player on the team. After that the next best player is probably Fotsis or Hairston.

thanks

[NOHCP3]

Hornets drafted him and Cedric Simmons in the same draft.... Hurts my face thinking of that draft

[bdreason]

Better start building the statue now.

[East_Stone_Ya]

all greek league records will be broken this year:bowdown:

[Fiba basketball]

Langford is a better one on one player than guys like McCalebb, Navarro, and Spanoulis?..........I don't think so.

Best one on one players in Europe would be,

Spanoulis, Navarro, McCalebb

then guys like

Rakocevic, Domercant, Teodosic, Ukic, Jamon Lucas, Halperin

then guys like

Langford, Lakovic (was better one on one player than Langford in his prime)
He is better one on one player than any player you named , only one that is close to him is Bo but he needs to improve his mid range shooting if he wants to be better in one on one . And lol at players you named : Navarro , Spanoulis ( well he is very good when it comes to 1 on 1 but best , no way ) , Teodosic ( he is avrage one on one player at best but I would say he is bad ) and others . I'm not saying he is better player than them overral because he isn't but he is best player in his team and best 1 on 1 player in Europe .

[Euroleague]

he is best player in his team and best 1 on 1 player in Europe .


Nope. Wrong on both accounts.

[joshwake]

do these posts even belong in the "NBA Forum" ??

[Euroleague]

Better start building the statue now.


http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/939/06/06/26/70DVGYWpUIBUU/

Yeah, because 2 points and 2 rebounds per game get statues built...........

:lol :roll: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

And Red Star isn't even a Euroleague team........

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/939/06/06/26/70DVGYWpUIBUU/

Yeah, because 2 points and 2 rebounds per game get statues built...........

:lol :roll: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/Euroleague-is-the-new-flavour-of-basketball-for-the-action-starved-fans-105217.jpg

Euroleague: where scrubs can't touch rim

(source: Euroleague.net)

[Kevin Love]

Derwin Kitchen with 10/8 :wtf:

He averaged less than that in college ::roll:

[Euroleague]

Derwin Kitchen with 10/8 :wtf:

He averaged less than that in college ::roll:

Armstrong averaged more than 2/2 in the NBA.

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

[Nash]

Armstrong averaged more than 2/2 in the NBA.

:lol :oldlol: :roll:
Yet he's still being recruited by one of the biggest teams in Greece :roll: :roll:

[brandonislegend]

Euroleague sucks asshole

[Owl]

Bourousis has had interest from the NBA (in the past at least). In 2009 Draftexpress called him the best player whose NBA rights were not owned by any franchise.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Yiannis-Bouroussis-118/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/DraftExpress-Overseas-Free-Agent-Rankings-Players-1-12-3360/
[QUOTE=Draftexpress]Bouroussis topped our list last year, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. He

[G-Funk]

Oh man, stop it, alright? Landford proved that he is not ballhog in Israel, Basile is one of the best shooters ever, and definitely not chucker, and Bourousis is NOT the best player. Enough with that greece BS! Keith will be their go to guy and their best player.
This

[T-Time3]

i know this thread would crack me up :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Bourousis has had interest from the NBA (in the past at least). In 2009 Draftexpress called him the best player whose NBA rights were not owned by any franchise.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Yiannis-Bouroussis-118/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/DraftExpress-Overseas-Free-Agent-Rankings-Players-1-12-3360/

All the people in this thread that said Langford is better than Bourousis are completely retarded and know nothing at all about basketball.

[Rooster]

All the people in this thread that said Langford is better than Bourousis are completely retarded and know nothing at all about basketball.

Yi Jianlian destroyed this slow unathletic scrub Bourousis before.:oldlol:

Hmmm:coleman:

[Grinder]

Hilton Armstrong had 14 points against perennial powerhouse Barcelona. Only 3 points off his NBA career high. :applause:

[Euroleague]

Hilton Armstrong had 14 points against perennial powerhouse Barcelona. Only 3 points off his NBA career high. :applause:

Barca is not a "perennial" powerhouse in Euroleague. The only teams that meet that standard are probably CSKA and Panathinaikos, even then, CSKA didn't even make it past the first stage of the season a couple years ago.

At the very least, Barca sure the hell is no powerhouse right now. Their current roster isn't much at all right now, especially considering how many physical problems Navarro (50% of their team) has.

[Bandito]

What he said was purely racist.
thesaurus.com
Look for the definition of racist because you're clearly ignorant about the meaning of the word my friend.

[devin112]

Since the Euroleague is so awesome, isn't there a forum just for it? We should leave Euroleague is a baby basket and leave it at the doorstep of such a forum with a brown paper bag over his face.

[kurple]

why wont this thread die?

[Euroleague]

http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/OmadesBasket/A1Panathinaikos/armstrongk_o_panathhnaikos_diathetei_paiktes_eksai retikous.1934657.html

Hilton Armstrong: "Panathinaikos has exceptional players."

[gabepizza]

He means excellent players for Euroleague. I bet he will, at the very least, be voted 1st team all-Euroleague. He's this year's Nenad Krstic. An NBA bench center who will become a superstar in Euroleague.

[RRR3]

http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/OmadesBasket/A1Panathinaikos/armstrongk_o_panathhnaikos_diathetei_paiktes_eksai retikous.1934657.html

Hilton Armstrong: "Panathinaikos has exceptional players."
He was referring to himself.

[Euroleague]

He means excellent players for Euroleague. I bet he will, at the very least, be voted 1st team all-Euroleague. He's this year's Nenad Krstic. An NBA bench center who will become a superstar in Euroleague.

You are absolutely positively certifiably insane.

Armstrong didn't even make the 2nd team of Eurocup (the level below Euroleague) last year with ASVEL and he is just a 15 minute backup on Panathinaikos this year.

Lay off the crystal meth you freaking idiot.

[gabepizza]

Give him a year to adjust to the European game. Remember Josh Childress didn't do great his 1st year in Europe but by his second year he was all-Euroleague second team and I think Armstrong will do even better because the main thing missing in Euroleague (apart from super stars like James and Durant) are skilled, athletic big men. I mean if Krstic could be voted the best center in Euroleague any semi-skilled center from the NBA can.

[Euroleague]

Give him a year to adjust to the European game. Remember Josh Childress didn't do great his 1st year in Europe but by his second year he was all-Euroleague second team and I think Armstrong will do even better because the main thing missing in Euroleague (apart from super stars like James and Durant) are skilled, athletic big men. I mean if Krstic could be voted the best center in Euroleague any semi-skilled center from the NBA can.

Congrats on officially becoming the biggest moron in the history of this forum.

And your lack of both NBA and Euroleague basketball knowledge is truly disturbing.

You are clearly psychotic.

[gabepizza]

Are we talking about the same Euroleague? The same Euroleague where Vassilis "scrub in the NBA/eliminated by Nigeria" Spanoulis was voted all Euroleague 1st team? If that unathletic scrub could be voted all Euroleague 1st team anybody can!!!

[Euroleague]

Are we talking about the same Euroleague? The same Euroleague where Vassilis "scrub in the NBA/eliminated by Nigeria" Spanoulis was voted all Euroleague 1st team? If that unathletic scrub could be voted all Euroleague 1st team anybody can!!!

One of the worst players of the last decade in Euroleague is already considered a star in the NBA, named Ricky Rubio.

Using your logic (the logic of a person with a 65 IQ) that means Euroleague > NBA.

[atljonesbro]

One of the worst players of the last decade in Euroleague is already considered a star in the NBA, named Ricky Rubio.

Using your logic (the logic of a person with a 65 IQ) that means Euroleague > NBA.
Euroleague's face when he's posting:

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/rage/grand/wrestler_angry_gif.gif

[gabepizza]

One of the worst players of the last decade in Euroleague is already considered a star in the NBA, named Ricky Rubio.

Using your logic (the logic of a person with a 65 IQ) that means Euroleague > NBA.

Now I can't tell if you're trying to be funny or are serious and just a delusional crazy. Are we honestly having this discussion. Yes Ricky Rubio who was voted:
3x FIBA young player of the year
Mr. Europa
Euroleague rising star
named the Spanish DPOY when he led said league in steals
not to mention winning a Euroleague championship
and he is was one of the worst player of Euroleague? And all of this before the age of 20!

And he comes over to the NBA is voted all-rookie first team and he is a star?

This is Euroleague! Euroleague where Andei Kirilenko who made one all-star game 8 years ago and since then had been a role player in the NBA, goes over to Euroleague and becomes the freaking league MVP and DPOY and was one missed jumped shot away of being the Final Four MVP too!!

I mean jeez, even people who know how bad Euroleague were not expecting that domination from an NBA role player! And Krstic was first team too! I mean Krstic?!!

Not to mention that the Euroleague Finals MVP along with three other players from the Euroleague Champion Olympiacos lost in the Olympic Qualifying tournament to Nigeria! The same Nigerian team that lost to Team USA by 83 points and looked like they should not have been on the court with them.

Look I enjoy Euroleague and think it is the 2nd best league in the world but to think that it is anywhere close to the NBA in talent level is just insane. Any mediocre/role player in the NBA has the chance to go to Euroleague and be voted 1st team all-Euroleague! I mean Kleiza and Khryapa have for Christ's sake!!

[Nash]

Not even European Euroleague fans believe that the Euroleague is anywhere near the NBA.

Did you just watch the Olympics? Did you see how dominated it was by NBA players? They owned the tournament.

[KG215]

One of the worst players of the last decade in Euroleague is already considered a star in the NBA, named Ricky Rubio.

Using your logic (the logic of a person with a 65 IQ) that means Euroleague > NBA.

You go so far and over the top with your ignorant hyperbolic statements and wonder why every single poster on ISH thinks you're a f***ing moron.

So, in the last 10 years, out of all the players to go through the Euroleague, Ricky Rubio is one of the worst? You honestly believe that?

[Euroleague]

Now I can't tell if you're trying to be funny or are serious and just a delusional crazy. Are we honestly having this discussion. Yes Ricky Rubio who was voted:
3x FIBA young player of the year
Mr. Europa
Euroleague rising star
named the Spanish DPOY when he led said league in steals
not to mention winning a Euroleague championship
and he is was one of the worst player of Euroleague? And all of this before the age of 20!

And he comes over to the NBA is voted all-rookie first team and he is a star?

This is Euroleague! Euroleague where Andei Kirilenko who made one all-star game 8 years ago and since then had been a role player in the NBA, goes over to Euroleague and becomes the freaking league MVP and DPOY and was one missed jumped shot away of being the Final Four MVP too!!

I mean jeez, even people who know how bad Euroleague were not expecting that domination from an NBA role player! And Krstic was first team too! I mean Krstic?!!

Not to mention that the Euroleague Finals MVP along with three other players from the Euroleague Champion Olympiacos lost in the Olympic Qualifying tournament to Nigeria! The same Nigerian team that lost to Team USA by 83 points and looked like they should not have been on the court with them.

Look I enjoy Euroleague and think it is the 2nd best league in the world but to think that it is anywhere close to the NBA in talent level is just insane. Any mediocre/role player in the NBA has the chance to go to Euroleague and be voted 1st team all-Euroleague! I mean Kleiza and Khryapa have for Christ's sake!!


Who is this moron? You copied and pasted a bunch of nonsense from Wikipedia that doesn't even have anything to do with the Euroleague.

TROLL

Biggest dumb ass I've come across here.

How the hell are you going to list some crappy awards from youth tournaments and other leagues and magazines, and claim them as Euroleague awards? You should take up a career in politics because you are insane with lies and propaganda.

And you have NEVER in your entire life ever seen a Euroleague game. If you had you would have understood half the shit you posted for Rubio's "Euroleague" accolades didn't even involve the Euroleague.

Welcome to my infinite ignore list and piss off.

[Euroleague]

You go so far and over the top with your ignorant hyperbolic statements and wonder why every single poster on ISH thinks you're a f***ing moron.

So, in the last 10 years, out of all the players to go through the Euroleague, Ricky Rubio is one of the worst? You honestly believe that?

It's a fact that he was one of the worst rotation players of the last 10 years. YES.

Go look at has stats and STFU.

[KG215]

It's a fact that he was one of the worst rotation players of the last 10 years. YES.

Go look at has stats and STFU.

No, it's not a fact. something so subjective can never be declared a fact. Besides, his stats aren't going to tell me if he was so bad, he's one of the worst players to play in Euroleague in the last decade.


Besides, you're argument to try and prove the Euroleague is better than NBA by pointing out Rubio was good as a rookie in the NBA but "sucked" in the Euroleague is ignorant. He was, what, 15 or 16 when he started playing in the Euroleague? For someone that thinks it's superior to the NBA it shouldn't be a surprise he wasn't very good his first few years in the league. I mean imagine a 15-17 year old kid trying to play in the NBA.

Him coming over here and looking better in the NBA (even though I really have no idea if that's true since you're insanely biased and I never saw him play in the Euroleague) has more to do with him being older and more mature. Of course he looked better his rookie season in the NBA at 20-21 years old compared to his first few years in Euroleague at 15-18 years old.

[KG215]

TROLL

Biggest dumb ass I've come across here.

How the hell are you going to list some crappy awards from youth tournaments and other leagues and magazines, and claim them as Euroleague awards? You should take up a career in politics because you are insane with lies and propaganda.

And you have NEVER in your entire life ever seen a Euroleague game. If you had you would have understood half the shit you posted for Rubio's "Euroleague" accolades didn't even involve the Euroleague.

Welcome to my infinite ignore list and piss off.

Why is there so much anger in all of your posts?

[Euroleague]

No, it's not a fact. something so subjective can never be declared a fact. Besides, his stats aren't going to tell me if he was so bad, he's one of the worst players to play in Euroleague in the last decade.


Besides, you're argument to try and prove the Euroleague is better than NBA by pointing out Rubio was good as a rookie in the NBA but "sucked" in the Euroleague is ignorant. He was, what, 15 or 16 when he started playing in the Euroleague? For someone that thinks it's superior to the NBA it shouldn't be a surprise he wasn't very good his first few years in the league. I mean imagine a 15-17 year old kid trying to play in the NBA.

Him coming over here and looking better in the NBA (even though I really have no idea if that's true since you're insanely biased and I never saw him play in the Euroleague) has more to do with him being older and more mature. Of course he looked better his rookie season in the NBA at 20-21 years old compared to his first few years in Euroleague at 15-18 years old.


Rubio was 19 20 years old when he played in Euroleague and he sucked. He SUCKED. He was HORRIBLE.

SHUT UP

[Euroleague]

Why is there so much anger in all of your posts?

Because people like that gabepizza jackass LIE and LIE and LIE and then get ticked off when they get called on it and act like victims. It's pathetic.

[qrich]

How's Hilton been doing? Not stat wise but actual impact wise?

[Euroleague]

How's Hilton been doing? Not stat wise but actual impact wise?

He's Sofo's backup.

The same Sofo that you claim could never in a million years make an NBA roster, yet a guy that spent 4 years in the NBA and was a rotation player, is his backup.

It's just more proof of how much bull shit you talk.

As for his "impact", the team's fans are already disappointed with his total inability to guard anyone, and are already hoping the team signs another big man.

With that being said, it's very early in the training of the season, so maybe he just needs time. But so far he appears to be way too bad on defense to meet the standards of a big Euroleague club like PAO.

But unfortunately for PAO, all the other bigs they tried to sign this summer shunned them so far, and Armstrong was the last option basically. Hopefully he will learn to play some defense as the year goes on.

[qrich]

He's Sofo's backup.

The same Sofo that you claim could never in a million years make an NBA roster, yet a guy that spent 4 years in the NBA and was a rotation player, is his backup.

It's just more proof of how much bull shit you talk.

As for his "impact", the team's fans are already disappointed with his total inability to guard anyone, and are already hoping the team signs another big man.

Quote me on saying Sofo would never make an NBA roster. Its something I never said. What I said was that Sofo is not 10x Kaman nor Camby, a claim which you have made time and time again.

Armstrong was crap in the summer league as well, so I'm not surprised. Even Nik CanerMedley > him.

Also, how's Craig Smith looked for Apoel? If you know?

[KG215]

Rubio was 19 20 years old when he played in Euroleague and he sucked. He SUCKED. He was HORRIBLE.

SHUT UP

So what league was he playing in when he was 16-18?

And real mature...telling me to shut-up. I'd love to have a civilized conversation with you, but anytime someone posts something you disagree with, you call them a name and tell them to shut-up. How old are you?

[Euroleague]

So what league was he playing in when he was 16-18?

And real mature...telling me to shut-up. I'd love to have a civilized conversation with you, but anytime someone posts something you disagree with, you call them a name and tell them to shut-up. How old are you?


He was 19 and 20 years old playing in Barcelona in Euroleague and he was TERRIBLE. PERIOD.

[Euroleague]

Quote me on saying Sofo would never make an NBA roster. Its something I never said. What I said was that Sofo is not 10x Kaman nor Camby, a claim which you have made time and time again.

Armstrong was crap in the summer league as well, so I'm not surprised. Even Nik CanerMedley > him.

Also, how's Craig Smith looked for Apoel? If you know?

You are a liar. Back to ignore.

And Smith does not play in Cyprus, he plays in Israel.

[KG215]

STFU a-hole.

He was 19 and 20 years old playing in Barcelona in Euroleague and he was TERRIBLE. PERIOD.

How am I being an "a-hole"? Good lord man, grow-up.

And terrible? Of course I can't prove you wrong because I never saw him play before he got to the NBA, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say he wasn't nearly as "terrible" as you claim.

[qrich]

You are a god damn idiot. Back to ignore.

Sweet.

Why do you lack the ability to have a civilized conversation? Is it how small Arkansas is?

[KG215]

Sweet.

Why do you lack the ability to have a civilized conversation? Is it how small Arkansas is?

Hey, I'm from Arkansas ad I'm attempting to have a civilized conversation with him. Apparently it's impossible to do so. I'm guessing he'll call us both names, tell us to shut-up, and probably tell us he's putting us on his ignore list in his next post.

[ukballer]

So what league was he playing in when he was 16-18?

And real mature...telling me to shut-up. I'd love to have a civilized conversation with you, but anytime someone posts something you disagree with, you call them a name and tell them to shut-up. How old are you?

I wouldn't bother man, he'll probably just threaten to report you to the internet police for being a racist or some other bullshit. :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

You are a god damn liar. Back to ignore.

And Smith does not play in Cyprus, he plays in Israel.
You and Pauk should team up some day :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

How am I being an "a-hole"? Good lord man, grow-up.

And terrible? Of course I can't prove you wrong because I never saw him play before he got to the NBA, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say he wasn't nearly as "terrible" as you claim.

You are a freaking asshole because you admit you never even saw him play yet you talk shit like you know for sure how he could not have been terrible, even though he was.

That makes you at the very least a douche bag. But then when you argue and get pissed off about it - that makes you an asshole.

Just because some idiot that gabepizza guy ruined the thread does not mean the rest of you guys needed to start trolling too, but you did.

[Euroleague]

Hey, I'm from Arkansas ad I'm attempting to have a civilized conversation with him. Apparently it's impossible to do so. I'm guessing he'll call us both names, tell us to shut-up, and probably tell us he's putting us on his ignore list in his next post.

You are not trying to have a conversation, you are trolling my thread. If you want a "conversation" stop trolling. Then I will have no issue.

[CavaliersFTW]

You are a freaking asshole because you admit you never even saw him play yet you talk shit like you know for sure how he could not have been terrible, even though he was.

That makes you at the very least a douche bag. But then when you argue and get pissed off about it - that makes you an asshole.

Just because some idiot that gabepizza guy ruined the thread does not mean the rest of you guys needed to start trolling too, but you did.
so like... whats the point of your presence in the NBA forum if you can't have a sensible discussion with anyone w/o adding them to "ignore" and calling them names? :lol

[qrich]

so like... whats the point of your presence in the NBA forum if you can't have a sensible discussion with anyone w/o adding them to "ignore" and calling them names? :lol

Shut up you racist asshole.

[Euroleague]

so like... whats the point of your presence in the NBA forum if you can't have a sensible discussion with anyone w/o adding them to "ignore" and calling them names? :lol

What?

:confusedshrug:

[KG215]

I wouldn't bother man, he'll probably just threaten to report you to the internet police for being a racist or some other bullshit. :oldlol:

If this is how he is in real life, being friends with him would be impossible.

Friend: Hey man, we're going to a movie that's supposed to be pretty good

Euroleague: I've already seen it. It's terrible.

Friend: I don't know man, it's gotten a lot of great reviews. It sounds pretty good.

Euroleague: You're a f***ing moron and a god damn liar!! I'm not speaking to you anymore and I'm blocking your phone number!!

[CavaliersFTW]

You are not trying to have a conversation, you are trolling my thread. If you want a "conversation" stop trolling. Then I will have no issue.
So you expect to have actual conversation in this thread? How? - I mean, you are openly accusing the 1 genuinely curious NBA fan out 10,000 of trolling and telling him to "SHUT UP" :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

So you expect to have actual conversation in this thread? How? - I mean, you are openly accusing the 1 genuinely curious NBA fan out 10,000 of trolling and telling him to "SHUT UP" :oldlol:

No, I am calling trolling trolling.

[KG215]

You are a freaking asshole because you admit you never even saw him play yet you talk shit like you know for sure how he could not have been terrible, even though he was.

That makes you at the very least a douche bag. But then when you argue and get pissed off about it - that makes you an asshole.

Just because some idiot that gabepizza guy ruined the thread does not mean the rest of you guys needed to start trolling too, but you did.

How am I trolling your thread? And how is you saying that, at the very least, I'm a douche bag any different than me thinking or saying you're exaggerating how bad Rubio was in Euroleague any different? You've never met me.

I wasn't trolling. I knew Rubio started his professional career at a pretty young age but didn't know if it began in the Euroleague or some other league. That's why I asked but, along with your answer, you told me to shut-up.

[coin24]

You are not trying to have a conversation, you are trolling my thread. If you want a "conversation" stop trolling. Then I will have no issue.


Have your conversations by yourself, in the Euro f@ggot section..

[Euroleague]

How am I trolling your thread. And how is you saying that, at the very least, I'm a douche bag any different than me thinking or saying you're exaggerating how bad Rubio was in Euroleague any different? You've never met me.

Just accept that Rubio is good in the NBA and was bad in Euroleague. Because it is a TRUE FACT. If you can be SANE you can do this.

Otherwise you are either insane (psychotic denial of true reality) or you actually know this and simply are trolling.

Take your pick.

[CavaliersFTW]

You know how you find yourself browsing Youtube sometimes and end up in "The weird part of Youtube" by mistake? And it's disturbing and uncomfortable but you can't help but watch some of it? Well, Euroleague's threads remind me of that... it's just f*ckin weird in these threads - weird and dark

[Euroleague]

Have your conversations by yourself, in the Euro f@ggot section..

In case you have not noticed, no one will post in the international forum anymore. They all stopped.

[Euroleague]

You know how you find yourself browsing Youtube sometimes and end up in "The weird part of Youtube" by mistake? And it's disturbing and uncomfortable but you can't help but watch some of it? Well, Euroleague's threads remind me of that... it's just f*ckin weird in these threads - weird and dark

What the hell is the "weird part of YouTube"?

[coin24]

In case you have not noticed, no one will post in the international forum anymore. They all stopped.

Because only racist assholes like you are into 2nd rate leagues like the Euroleague....

[Euroleague]

Because only racist assholes like you are into 2nd rate leagues like the Euroleague....

Euroleague is the best basketball league in the world.

[KG215]

Just accept that Rubio is good in the NBA and was bad in Euroleague. Because it is a TRUE FACT. If you can be SANE you can do this.

Otherwise you are either insane (psychotic denial of true reality) or you actually know this and simply are trolling.

Take your pick.

No, I won't accept it because your posting history shows you heavily exaggerate certain points to make the NBA look bad and the Euroleague look good. I'm not even doubting Rubio wasn't that good. But, like I said, you tend to overly exaggerate how bad a player was in the Euroleague before going to the NBA.

I'm not "denying true reality" either because the entire premise of this conversation (Rubio was one of the worst Euroleague players of the past decade) is highly subjective.

[coin24]

Euroleague is the best basketball league in the world.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Euroleague is the best basketball league in the world.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stephen-a-smith-laugh.gif

[KG215]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

This is the part where he calls you a racist dumbass who is in denial of true reality, because the Euroleague being better than NBA is 100% FACT.

[Euroleague]

No, I won't accept it because your posting history shows you heavily exaggerate certain points to make the NBA look bad and the Euroleague look good. I'm not even doubting Rubio wasn't that good. But, like I said, you tend to overly exaggerate how bad a player was in the Euroleague before going to the NBA.

I'm not "denying true reality" either because the entire premise of this conversation (Rubio was one of the worst Euroleague players of the past decade) is highly subjective.

Whatever. Rubio is the only player in Euroleague history to have an ABPG (air balls per game) stat kept for him.

He set the all time record for most missed shots in a row at one point.

No, Rubio wasn't terrible, even though he shot something like 30% from the field.

You guys are clowns. Maybe you don't intend to be and maybe you don't realize it, but you are.

The NBA is a league where defense is basically outlawed. That's why Rubio and so many other players look so good in the NBA. It's that simple. There is no reason to get so pissed off about this, but yet that is what you guys do.

You seem to suffer from some kind of inferiority complex and it does seem to be racially motivated.

[Euroleague]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stephen-a-smith-laugh.gif

Euroleague champions 92 - NBA champions 88

[qrich]

Offense is outlawed in Europe that is why Krstic dominated and was turrible in the NBA

[Euroleague]

Offense is outlawed in Europe that is why Krstic dominated and was turrible in the NBA

Krstic averaged something like 15/6 in Euroleague. He has averaged more than that in NBA and NBA playoffs.

He sure the hell did not "dominate" shit. In fact, he was absolutely awful in the Euroleague Final Four.

[CavaliersFTW]

What the hell is the "weird part of YouTube"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMlVNFpzKNI

start by watching this - then just follow the "recommended" videos for the next hour or two

[Euroleague]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMlVNFpzKNI

start by watching this - then just follow the "recommended" videos for the next hour or two

I see what you mean...

[coin24]

After three or four next videos you wonder, WTF am i doing here?:confusedshrug: :oldlol:

[KG215]

You guys are clowns. Maybe you don't intend to be and maybe you don't realize it, but you are.
http://lans-soapbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Pot_Meet_Kettle.jpg


The NBA is a league where defense is basically outlawed. That's why Rubio and so many other players look so good in the NBA. It's that simple.
And now it's my turn to say it. You have no clue what you're talking about.


You seem to suffer from some kind of inferiority complex and it does seem to be racially motivated.
You can't be serious. How in the hell does any of what I've said in this thread seem to be racially motivated? You making that big of a leap shows just how insecure you are.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Whatever. Rubio is the only player in Euroleague history to have an ABPG (air balls per game) stat kept for him.

He set the all time record for most missed shots in a row at one point.

No, Rubio wasn't terrible, even though he shot something like 30% from the field.

You guys are clowns. Maybe you don't intend to be and maybe you don't realize it, but you are.

The NBA is a league where defense is basically outlawed. That's why Rubio and so many other players look so good in the NBA. It's that simple. There is no reason to get so pissed off about this, but yet that is what you guys do.

You seem to suffer from some kind of inferiority complex and it does seem to be racially motivated.

well you do have a point. nba's defense is dirt shit compared to the 80s and 90s.

[gabepizza]

Krstic averaged something like 15/6 in Euroleague. He has averaged more than that in NBA and NBA playoffs.

He sure the hell did not "dominate" shit. In fact, he was absolutely awful in the Euroleague Final Four.

See this is bending the facts or "lying". The Euroleague game is 8 minutes shorter than the NBA game. Therefore 15/6 is dominating. The leading scorer in Euroleague had 17 ppg and the leading rebounder had 8 ppg. Krstic was 2nd in index rating. More importantly he was voted by Euroleague, to all-Euroleague 1st team. Meaning the official Euroleague people, not this crazy troll, believed that Krstic was the best center in Euroleague last year. He also was the starting center in the team that lost in the finals by one point on a last second jump shot.

And guess who was voted Euroleague MVP, DPOY and led the league in rebounds? Andrei Kirilenko.

And this nut saying I just posted things from wikipedia? Rubio won FIBA Europes Young Men's Basketball Player of the Year 3 times. And this award is not for some youth tournament it is "an annual award given by FIBA Europe, the European division of FIBA, the international governing body of the sport of basketball, to the best basketball player with European citizenship, aged 22 and under of the year."

He also was voted the Spanish DPOY and led that league in steals. For those of unfamiliar with basketball it works like this. Euroleague is a super league where all the best teams from the national teams compete. So teams compete in this super league (which Euroleague is the best) but at the same time they also compete in their national leagues. The Spanish national league (ACB) is considered the best national league with the most teams invited to Euroleague each year. It is this Spanish league that Rubio lead in steals and was voted defensive player of the year.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. Ricky Rubio was voted Euroleague Rising Star. Euroleague does not have rookies so being voted Euroleague's Rising Star is equivalent to being voted Rookie of the Year. This is quote I copied directly from the Euroleague website: "The Rising Star Trophy recognizes the best Euroleague player who was under the age of 22 on July 1 of the summer before the season started."

So a Ricky Rubio was awarded this yet this insane person claims he was the worst Euroleague player in 10 year? This poster is obviously delusional and is probably some 14 year old in Eastern/Southern Europe who is racist and hates America and can't stand that his "heroes" keep getting their buts kicked by Team USA. I would suggest just ignoring his posts from now on.

[Fiba basketball]

In case you have not noticed, no one will post in the international forum anymore. They all stopped.
I didn't stop , but I'm too lazy to make new threads so I don't have were to post . Most of the team finished signing new players and I only watched one pre season game so theres nothing worth posting about . I'm thinking about openning a thread about EL fantasy but that starts in two weeks so I'll do it than .

[Fiba basketball]

See this is bending the facts or "lying". The Euroleague game is 8 minutes shorter than the NBA game. Therefore 15/6 is dominating. The leading scorer in Euroleague had 17 ppg and the leading rebounder had 8 ppg. Krstic was 2nd in index rating. More importantly he was voted by Euroleague, to all-Euroleague 1st team. Meaning the official Euroleague people, not this crazy troll, believed that Krstic was the best center in Euroleague last year. He also was the starting center in the team that lost in the finals by one point on a last second jump shot.

And guess who was voted Euroleague MVP, DPOY and led the league in rebounds? Andrei Kirilenko.

And this nut saying I just posted things from wikipedia? Rubio won FIBA Europes Young Men's Basketball Player of the Year 3 times. And this award is not for some youth tournament it is "an annual award given by FIBA Europe, the European division of FIBA, the international governing body of the sport of basketball, to the best basketball player with European citizenship, aged 22 and under of the year."

He also was voted the Spanish DPOY and led that league in steals. For those of unfamiliar with basketball it works like this. Euroleague is a super league where all the best teams from the national teams compete. So teams compete in this super league (which Euroleague is the best) but at the same time they also compete in their national leagues. The Spanish national league (ACB) is considered the best national league with the most teams invited to Euroleague each year. It is this Spanish league that Rubio lead in steals and was voted defensive player of the year.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. Ricky Rubio was voted Euroleague Rising Star. Euroleague does not have rookies so being voted Euroleague's Rising Star is equivalent to being voted Rookie of the Year. This is quote I copied directly from the Euroleague website: "The Rising Star Trophy recognizes the best Euroleague player who was under the age of 22 on July 1 of the summer before the season started."

So a Ricky Rubio was awarded this yet this insane person claims he was the worst Euroleague player in 10 year? This poster is obviously delusional and is probably some 14 year old in Eastern/Southern Europe who is racist and hates America and can't stand that his "heroes" keep getting their buts kicked by Team USA. I would suggest just ignoring his posts from now on.
Krstic plays the same as he did in NBA , he is just getting the ball more .

[Rooster]

Krstic plays the same as he did in NBA , he is just getting the ball more .

Krstic has been irrelevant for awhile now. And Euroleague recycled and dig him from obscurity and he dominated that minor league. Same goes to Joey Dorsey and scrubs like Batiste. All these trashes getting recycled.:oldlol:

[Euroleague]

See this is bending the facts or "lying". The Euroleague game is 8 minutes shorter than the NBA game. Therefore 15/6 is dominating. The leading scorer in Euroleague had 17 ppg and the leading rebounder had 8 ppg. Krstic was 2nd in index rating. More importantly he was voted by Euroleague, to all-Euroleague 1st team. Meaning the official Euroleague people, not this crazy troll, believed that Krstic was the best center in Euroleague last year. He also was the starting center in the team that lost in the finals by one point on a last second jump shot.

And guess who was voted Euroleague MVP, DPOY and led the league in rebounds? Andrei Kirilenko.

And this nut saying I just posted things from wikipedia? Rubio won FIBA Europes Young Men's Basketball Player of the Year 3 times. And this award is not for some youth tournament it is "an annual award given by FIBA Europe, the European division of FIBA, the international governing body of the sport of basketball, to the best basketball player with European citizenship, aged 22 and under of the year."

He also was voted the Spanish DPOY and led that league in steals. For those of unfamiliar with basketball it works like this. Euroleague is a super league where all the best teams from the national teams compete. So teams compete in this super league (which Euroleague is the best) but at the same time they also compete in their national leagues. The Spanish national league (ACB) is considered the best national league with the most teams invited to Euroleague each year. It is this Spanish league that Rubio lead in steals and was voted defensive player of the year.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. Ricky Rubio was voted Euroleague Rising Star. Euroleague does not have rookies so being voted Euroleague's Rising Star is equivalent to being voted Rookie of the Year. This is quote I copied directly from the Euroleague website: "The Rising Star Trophy recognizes the best Euroleague player who was under the age of 22 on July 1 of the summer before the season started."

So a Ricky Rubio was awarded this yet this insane person claims he was the worst Euroleague player in 10 year? This poster is obviously delusional and is probably some 14 year old in Eastern/Southern Europe who is racist and hates America and can't stand that his "heroes" keep getting their buts kicked by Team USA. I would suggest just ignoring his posts from now on.


This guy is beyond delusional - he's actually a psychotic.

[Euroleague]

Krstic has been irrelevant for awhile now. And Euroleague recycled and dig him from obscurity and he dominated that minor league. Same goes to Joey Dorsey and scrubs like Batiste. All these trashes getting recycled.:oldlol:


NBA only fans delusions...where Joey Dorsey "dominated" Euroleague by averaging 4 points and 4 rebounds per game.

:roll:

[RRR3]

NBA only fans delusions...where Joey Dorsey "dominated" Euroleague by averaging 4 points and 4 rebounds per game.

:roll:
"Joe Diesel" is averaging 38 PPG and 24 RPG on 74% shooting in Euroleague so far. :no: I am SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR RACIST LIES! :mad: :mad: :mad:


Joe Diesel=GOAT Euroleague center


Source: euroleague.net/stats/2012/dorsey_joey01

[CavaliersFTW]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxm5snmgNx1qervdx.gif

http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/white-people-dancing-gif.gif

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1zhbvUeaG1qhisau.gif

Euroleague is filled with these :oldlol:

[gabepizza]

Krstic plays the same as he did in NBA , he is just getting the ball more .


Same as he did in the NBA? That's why he was voted the best center in Euroleague? There's a reason he doesn't get the ball as much in the NBA, he wasn't that good.

Another fun fact about Euroleague. The defending champions are Olympiacos. 1/3 of Olympiacos was on the Greek National Team, including the Final Four MVP, the player who scored the most points in the Euroleague final, the player who hit the winning shot in the final and another starter on the championship team. Yes the same Greek team that was not in the Olympics this summer because they were eliminated by Nigeria. Yes Nigeria, the same Nigerian team that lost to Team USA by 83 and looked like they didn't belong in the Olympics. Well one reason they were in the Olympics was that they beat the Greek team with 1/3 of the Euroleague champions on it.

NBA...where amazing happens

Euroleague...where our champions get beaten by Nigeria.....NIGERIA!!

[Euroleague]

Same as he did in the NBA? That's why he was voted the best center in Euroleague? There's a reason he doesn't get the ball as much in the NBA, he wasn't that good.

Another fun fact about Euroleague. The defending champions are Olympiacos. 1/3 of Olympiacos was on the Greek National Team, including the Final Four MVP, the player who scored the most points in the Euroleague final, the player who hit the winning shot in the final and another starter on the championship team. Yes the same Greek team that was not in the Olympics this summer because they were eliminated by Nigeria. Yes Nigeria, the same Nigerian team that lost to Team USA by 83 and looked like they didn't belong in the Olympics. Well one reason they were in the Olympics was that they beat the Greek team with 1/3 of the Euroleague champions on it.

NBA...where amazing happens

Euroleague...where our champions get beaten by Nigeria.....NIGERIA!!


This guy is CLEARLY racist.

Another fun fact....NBA players for Team USA lost the 2002, 2004, and 2006 world basket and Olympic tournaments.

Another fun fact....USA lost to Greece 101-95

Another fun fact...The NBA champion Lakers lost to the Euroleague champion Barca 92 - 88

Another fun fact...the NBA champion Bullets lost to the Euroleague team Maccabi.



Euroleague...I feel devotion

NBA...where the games are rigged and the players use steroids.

[KG215]

Another fun fact...The NBA champion Lakers lost to the Euroleague champion Barca 92 - 88
In what, a preseason game Kobe barely played?


Another fun fact...the NBA champion Bullets lost to the Euroleague team Maccabi.
I'm guessing this was another meaningless preseason/exhibition game? Doesn't the NBA have a better record against the Euroleague in preseason/exhibition games?



NBA...where the games are rigged and the players use steroids.
:oldlol: It's funny because you believe the outlandish nonsense you post while everyone else just says ridiculous things about the Euroleague to get under your skin.

And I know, I know...I'm a racist dumbass who is clearly delusional and psychotic and in denial of true reality.

Thought I'd save you the trouble.

[StateOfMind12]

Euroleague is filled with these :oldlol:
http://excusememe.com/pics/images/1300861362_4gifwhitepeoplefriday.gif

[LikeABosh]

He's excited to go from NBA scrub to Eoruleague MVP

[Euroleague]

Place bets now.

All the people saying Armstrong will be Euroleague MVP and all first team center take your bet.

If he is not and you lose then you take a permanent IP ban from this forum.

If he is, then I take one.

Of course, not one of you mofos will take the bet, because you know how much lies you are saying here. Except that pizzagay guy seems insane enough that he seems to actually believe the shit he is typing.

Anyway, take the bets, otherwise STFU *******.

[BEAST Griffin]

"That's one small step for a man; one giant leap for Euroleague." - Armstrong

:bowdown:

[Nick Young]

Place bets now.

All the people saying Armstrong will be Euroleague MVP and all first team center take your bet.

If he is not and you lose then you take a permanent IP ban from this forum.

If he is, then I take one.

Of course, not one of you mofos will take the bet, because you know how much lies you are saying here. Except that pizzagay guy seems insane enough that he seems to actually believe the shit he is typing.

Anyway, take the bets, otherwise STFU *******.
Dorsey the 6'8" center will win MVP.

[RRR3]

Dorsey the 6'8" center will win MVP.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Joe Diesel:bowdown: :bowdown:
But, if Joe Diesel is the Euroleague Shaq, who's his Euroleague Kobe?:confusedshrug: Stay tuned, folks, perhaps recently retired Keyon Dooling will become the Euroleague Kobe:eek:

[Maga_1]

I don't like to post in those threads.. people troll for fun Euroleague (the poster), so the other european guys that try to have a decent conversation to enlight some NBA fans can't do that but let's try one more time.

- The best seasons that Ricky had were with DKV Joventut (same team where Rudy Fernandez started), he played ACB and Eurocup .. winning the Eurocup in one of those years.

- Barcelona's offense system was not good for Ricky, it didn't allow him to create so much and play with the freedom that he had in DKV, youth National teams and now in NBA. His stats dropped a lot, he wasn't confident but he sure wasn't the worst rotation player. He was average with some good sparks sometimes.

- Krstic is one of the best big mens in Euroleague, true. But we have to agree that CSKA and Serbia (when he played) had systems that allowed the interior players to have more the ball on offense.

- Currently, after a Eurohopes (european site) review of top 100 players.. Lorbek is the best player in Europe followed by McCallaeb and then Spanoulis.

- NBA is way better than Euroleague, but the gap between them is getting smaller every season.

[Nick Young]

I don't like to post in those threads.. people troll for fun Euroleague (the poster), so the other european guys that try to have a decent conversation to enlight some NBA fans can't do that but let's try one more time.

- The best seasons that Ricky had were with DKV Joventut (same team where Rudy Fernandez started), he played ACB and Eurocup .. winning the Eurocup in one of those years.

- Barcelona's offense system was not good for Ricky, it didn't allow him to create so much and play with the freedom that he had in DKV, youth National teams and now in NBA. His stats dropped a lot, he wasn't confident but he sure wasn't the worst rotation player. He was average with some good sparks sometimes.

- Krstic is one of the best big mens in Euroleague, true. But we have to agree that CSKA and Serbia (when he played) had systems that allowed the interior players to have more the ball on offense.

- Currently, after a Eurohopes (european site) review of top 100 players.. Lorbek is the best player in Europe followed by McCallaeb and then Spanoulis.

- NBA is way better than Euroleague, but the gap between them is getting smaller every season.
Are these Dorsey stats real? I cant tell if people are making it up that he's getting 34/22 a game

[Maga_1]

Are these Dorsey stats real? I cant tell if people are making it up that he's getting 34/22 a game

They didn't even play an official game.
And no, i'm not tracking friendly stats .. i only know he started on the bench in one game.

[Rooster]

Are these Dorsey stats real? I cant tell if people are making it up that he's getting 34/22 a game

Mad props to Dorsey.:bowdown: It's good to see him beasting even though it's against those soft scrubs from Euroleague.:oldlol: If it was not for Euroleague he might be working 9-5.

[gabepizza]

I don't like to post in those threads.. people troll for fun Euroleague (the poster), so the other european guys that try to have a decent conversation to enlight some NBA fans can't do that but let's try one more time.

- The best seasons that Ricky had were with DKV Joventut (same team where Rudy Fernandez started), he played ACB and Eurocup .. winning the Eurocup in one of those years.

- Barcelona's offense system was not good for Ricky, it didn't allow him to create so much and play with the freedom that he had in DKV, youth National teams and now in NBA. His stats dropped a lot, he wasn't confident but he sure wasn't the worst rotation player. He was average with some good sparks sometimes.

- Krstic is one of the best big mens in Euroleague, true. But we have to agree that CSKA and Serbia (when he played) had systems that allowed the interior players to have more the ball on offense.

- Currently, after a Eurohopes (european site) review of top 100 players.. Lorbek is the best player in Europe followed by McCallaeb and then Spanoulis.

- NBA is way better than Euroleague, but the gap between them is getting smaller every season.

Thank you. It's good for some real information from a European fan who is honest and knows what he's talking about. This Euroleague poster, who ever he is gives the European fans a bad name because he is so psychotic. When he says Euroleague is better than an NBA he just becomes a joke and no serious discussion can be made.

[gabepizza]

Do you know Euroleague that by your insane rants you are just diminishing Euroleague more in the eyes of NBA fans and ruining any legitimate posts that your European peers, who know about Euroleague, are posting?

Before you post your next, delusional, insulting post, think about what you are really achieving for the respect of Euroleague and other European posters because it is obvious you have become a running gag on this forum.

[Rooster]

I don't like to post in those threads.. people troll for fun Euroleague (the poster), so the other european guys that try to have a decent conversation to enlight some NBA fans can't do that but let's try one more time.

- The best seasons that Ricky had were with DKV Joventut (same team where Rudy Fernandez started), he played ACB and Eurocup .. winning the Eurocup in one of those years.

- Barcelona's offense system was not good for Ricky, it didn't allow him to create so much and play with the freedom that he had in DKV, youth National teams and now in NBA. His stats dropped a lot, he wasn't confident but he sure wasn't the worst rotation player. He was average with some good sparks sometimes.

- Krstic is one of the best big mens in Euroleague, true. But we have to agree that CSKA and Serbia (when he played) had systems that allowed the interior
players to have more the ball on offense.

- Currently, after a Eurohopes (european site) review of top 100 players.. Lorbek is the best player in Europe followed by McCallaeb and then Spanoulis

- NBA is way better than Euroleague, but the gap between them is getting
smaller every season.


Jordan Farmar will leapfrog everybody in Euroleague the way Kirilenko did.:oldlol: And Lorbek is lording over his fellow softies just like Krstic did. Hopefully he will play for Spurs to see if he can transform his so called skills to the next level. My best guess is he will have same stats like he did at Michigan State. Fail and back to Euroleague just like Spanoulis after a year without any momma excuses.:oldlol:

[Maga_1]

NBA and European basketball are way too much different to be compared.
Europeans guys that were average in Europe can be good at NBA level, good european players sometimes don't fit well in NBA system (Jasi, Spanoulis, Navarro) mostly because they are ball dominants and in NBA they can't play that way.

The vice versa can happen with americans, but how will we know? They will never play here, it's just a simple mental exercise.
There's average americans in NBA that fit very well in european system, guys like Alan Anderson (terrific american player in my opinion) and other guys that don't fit well (like Ty Lawson).

[Fiba basketball]

Same as he did in the NBA? That's why he was voted the best center in Euroleague? There's a reason he doesn't get the ball as much in the NBA, he wasn't that good.

Another fun fact about Euroleague. The defending champions are Olympiacos. 1/3 of Olympiacos was on the Greek National Team, including the Final Four MVP, the player who scored the most points in the Euroleague final, the player who hit the winning shot in the final and another starter on the championship team. Yes the same Greek team that was not in the Olympics this summer because they were eliminated by Nigeria. Yes Nigeria, the same Nigerian team that lost to Team USA by 83 and looked like they didn't belong in the Olympics. Well one reason they were in the Olympics was that they beat the Greek team with 1/3 of the Euroleague champions on it.

NBA...where amazing happens

Euroleague...where our champions get beaten by Nigeria.....NIGERIA!!
Krstic is still a very bad defender and a very soft player like he was in NBA but he is also great pick and roll player and thats something he wasn't doing in the NBA a lot . When Serbia played against France in Eurobasket last year Krstic scored 15+ and he was defended by Noah who is one of the best Cs in NBA , when Krstic played with Kidd he had 16 or 17 ppg so that tells you what can he do when someone is willing to give him the ball . I know the NBA has better players than Euroleague but just because player is bad in NBA doesn't mean he will be good in Euroleague ( for example Acie Law ) or that player that was great in Euroleague can't be great in NBA ( for example Pekovic ) . And about what league is better : most of Euroleague fan like me think that NBA is more of entertainment , for the fans who want to se flashy dunks and passes , than basketball league because of the rules and because there are so much games that it doesn't matter if you win or lose because you will play 80 more games .

[Rooster]

NBA and European basketball are way too much different to be compared.
Europeans guys that were average in Europe can be good at NBA level, good european players sometimes don't fit well in NBA system (Jasi, Spanoulis, Navarro) mostly because they are ball dominants and in NBA they can't play that way.

The vice versa can happen with americans, but how will we know? They will never play here, it's just a simple mental exercise.
There's average americans in NBA that fit very well in european system, guys like Alan Anderson (terrific american player in my opinion) and other guys that don't fit well (like Ty Lawson).

Americans never play there.:wtf: :no: FYI there are more Americans named to the prestigious All Euroleague team more than any nation in Europe. Obscure guys ranging from NBA rejects to scrubs like Langdon, Parker, Marcus Brown, Batiste, Alphonso Ford, Tyus Edney, Galis etc. even the corpse of McAdoo and Nique dominated that soft league. :oldlol:

[Maga_1]

Americans never play there.:wtf: :no: FYI there are more Americans named to the prestigious All Euroleague team more than any nation in Europe. Obscure guys ranging from NBA rejects to scrubs like Langdon, Parker, Marcus Brown, Batiste, Alphonso Ford, Tyus Edney, Galis etc. even the corpse of McAdoo and Nique dominated that soft league. :oldlol:

When i said american never played there, you know that i'm talking about big time players.

[Rooster]

Krstic is still a very bad defender and a very soft player like he was in NBA but he is also great pick and roll player and thats something he wasn't doing in the NBA a lot . When Serbia played against France in Eurobasket last year Krstic scored 15+ and he was defended by Noah who is one of the best Cs in NBA , when Krstic played with Kidd he had 16 or 17 ppg so that tells you what can he do when someone is willing to give him the ball . I know the NBA has better players than Euroleague but just because player is bad in NBA doesn't mean he will be good in Euroleague ( for example Acie Law ) or that player that was great in Euroleague can't be great in NBA ( for example Pekovic ) . And about what league is better : most of Euroleague fan like me think that NBA is more of entertainment , for the fans who want to se flashy dunks and passes , than basketball league because of the rules and because there are so much games that it doesn't matter if you win or lose because you will play 80 more games .

Even if you force feed Krstic the ball in NBA, he will never be best center in NBA. Only in Euroleague he can. Krstic was a good player years ago but today he's like a filler for most teams. :lol Are you saying Pekovic is a great NBA player after 1 year.:oldlol: Maybe he has the potential to be one but he is far from it. Even Pau Gasol is borderline great and he's been in NBA for years. And why you have to dig Acie Law from obscurity. Euroleague is good in recycling our garbage players and turning them to be useful in Europe.

[Nick Young]

When i said american never played there, you know that i'm talking about big time players.
McAdoo and Wilkins are big time players, not to mention Deron, who got his number retired after two months and broke the Eurocup scoring record.

[Rooster]

When i said american never played there, you know that i'm talking about big time players.

What are you talking about. Mc Adoo and Nique were big time players. :oldlol:

[Maga_1]

McAdoo and Wilkins are big time players, not to mention Deron, who got his number retired after two months and broke the Eurocup scoring record.

I'm not sure, but McAdoo and Wilkins were old when they came to Europe weren't they? I'm asking, i don't know.

Like i said, Deron Williams has a game suited to Europe style. But for example, i don't think a guy like Wall, Jennings or DeRozan who are above average players in NBA would be any good in Europe. Like Lawson wasn't.

[Grinder]

Ty Lawson didn't adjust well at all but I think with a full year of European play under his belt, he would have been much better, probably a similar player to McCalebb at least. He seemed rusty and out of game shape when he played with Zalgiris. That team was also a mess last season.

[Rooster]

I'm not sure, but McAdoo and Wilkins were old when they came to Europe weren't they? I'm asking, i don't know.

Like i said, Deron Williams has a game suited to Europe style. But for example, i don't think a guy like Wall, Jennings or DeRozan who are above average players in NBA would be any good in Europe. Like Lawson wasn't.

Mc Adoo was like 50 and no NBA team wanted to sign him so he went to Europe and became young again.

Nique was still a good role player in NBA but he went to Europe and became a human highlight again.

Usually it takes a year for any average player to feel the Euro style. Just look at Childress, he struggled in his first year but took off in his 2nd year and named to All Euroleague team. :bowdown: Funny thing is he rarely played when he went back to the real man's league. :oldlol:

[Rooster]

Ty Lawson didn't adjust well at all but I think with a full year of European play under his belt, he would have been much better, probably a similar player to McCalebb at least. He seemed rusty and out of game shape when he played with Zalgiris. That team was also a mess last season.

He was out of shape. He was probably concern about any injury as he is expecting a big NBA contract. I think he just wanted to go back to NBA. The same cannot be said about Farmar. He enjoyed playing in Europe. He wanted to be the man and Maccabi gave him the chance.

[Fiba basketball]

Even if you force feed Krstic the ball in NBA, he will never be best center in NBA. Only in Euroleague he can. Krstic was a good player years ago but today he's like a filler for most teams. :lol Are you saying Pekovic is a great NBA player after 1 year.:oldlol: Maybe he has the potential to be one but he is far from it. Even Pau Gasol is borderline great and he's been in NBA for years. And why you have to dig Acie Law from obscurity. Euroleague is good in recycling our garbage players and turning them to be useful in Europe.
I never said he would be best C in NBA but that he would play the same as he is in Europe , in other words he would have the same stats . Just because you don't think Pekovic or Gasol are clearly great players doesn't mean you are right , and Law is an example of player that is bad in Europe and in NBA .

[gabepizza]

I never said he would be best C in NBA but that he would play the same as he is in Europe , in other words he would have the same stats . Just because you don't think Pekovic or Gasol are clearly great players doesn't mean you are right , and Law is an example of player that is bad in Europe and in NBA .


I mean that's a straw man's argument. It's the same thing when people say that if you give any decent player as many shots as Kobe, Iverson, Jordan, etc...they would all put up the same stats. First off I disagree with that. Second off if you gave someone, like say, Nate Robinson, as many shots as Kobe or Durant, etc...he may put up good stats but his team would not win. If NBA coaches thought it would help them to win they would have given Krstic the ball more.

It's it not like Krstic put up these numbers to be voted the best center in Euroleague on a crappy team. He was the starting center and 2nd best player of Euroleague's runner-up. The team that lost the Euroleague final by one point.

BTW Anyone who doesn't think that either of the Gasol brothers are great players are wrong. Pekovic on the other hand, while being very good, has not earned the title great yet from what he was done in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

I don't like to post in those threads.. people troll for fun Euroleague (the poster), so the other european guys that try to have a decent conversation to enlight some NBA fans can't do that but let's try one more time.

- The best seasons that Ricky had were with DKV Joventut (same team where Rudy Fernandez started), he played ACB and Eurocup .. winning the Eurocup in one of those years.

- Barcelona's offense system was not good for Ricky, it didn't allow him to create so much and play with the freedom that he had in DKV, youth National teams and now in NBA. His stats dropped a lot, he wasn't confident but he sure wasn't the worst rotation player. He was average with some good sparks sometimes.

- Krstic is one of the best big mens in Euroleague, true. But we have to agree that CSKA and Serbia (when he played) had systems that allowed the interior players to have more the ball on offense.

- Currently, after a Eurohopes (european site) review of top 100 players.. Lorbek is the best player in Europe followed by McCallaeb and then Spanoulis.

- NBA is way better than Euroleague, but the gap between them is getting smaller every season.

I am starting to question your basketball knowledge now...

[Euroleague]

Krstic is still a very bad defender and a very soft player like he was in NBA but he is also great pick and roll player and thats something he wasn't doing in the NBA a lot . When Serbia played against France in Eurobasket last year Krstic scored 15+ and he was defended by Noah who is one of the best Cs in NBA , when Krstic played with Kidd he had 16 or 17 ppg so that tells you what can he do when someone is willing to give him the ball . I know the NBA has better players than Euroleague but just because player is bad in NBA doesn't mean he will be good in Euroleague ( for example Acie Law ) or that player that was great in Euroleague can't be great in NBA ( for example Pekovic ) . And about what league is better : most of Euroleague fan like me think that NBA is more of entertainment , for the fans who want to se flashy dunks and passes , than basketball league because of the rules and because there are so much games that it doesn't matter if you win or lose because you will play 80 more games .

Don't waste your time on this gaypizza guy. He is clearly a racist nutcase that hates all white players.

BTW, you REALLTY need to stop saying Acie Law is a bad player in Euroleague. Because he is actually a really good Euroleague player. At least 50 times better than Rubio was.

[CavaliersFTW]

Don't waste your time on this gaypizza guy. He is clearly a racist nutcase that hates all white players.

BTW, you REALLTY need to stop saying Acie Law is a bad player in Euroleague. Because he is actually a really good Euroleague player. At least 50 times better than Rubio was.
So that makes him what, Michael Jordan? :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Even if you force feed Krstic the ball in NBA, he will never be best center in NBA. Only in Euroleague he can. Krstic was a good player years ago but today he's like a filler for most teams. :lol Are you saying Pekovic is a great NBA player after 1 year.:oldlol: Maybe he has the potential to be one but he is far from it. Even Pau Gasol is borderline great and he's been in NBA for years. And why you have to dig Acie Law from obscurity. Euroleague is good in recycling our garbage players and turning them to be useful in Europe.

Krstic is NOT the best center in Euroleague you ****ing TOOL.

No ****ing way in hell is he as good as Bourousis.

[AirTupac]

Krstic was ranked #1 on Euroleague.net you idiot. How can you deny facts from the OFFICIAL WEBSITE?!

[Euroleague]

McAdoo and Wilkins are big time players, not to mention Deron, who got his number retired after two months and broke the Eurocup scoring record.

Deron Williams has never played in the Euroleague or even the second level Eurocup.

He played in the European THIRD DIVISION you colossal moron.

[AirTupac]

Deron Williams was voted best Euroleague player by Euroleague fans.

[Euroleague]

Krstic was ranked #1 on Euroleague.net you idiot. How can you deny facts from the OFFICIAL WEBSITE?!


No he was not you ****ing scum bag. There is no such thing as a ranking of players on that site and there never has been in the entire existence of the website.

BTW Krstic was ranked #1 best player on NBA.com

source NBA.com

[KG215]

Deron Williams has never played in the Euroleague or even the second level Eurocup.

He played in the European THIRD DIVISION you colossal moron.

Thank you for setting him straight you gargantuan douche.

[Euroleague]

When i said american never played there, you know that i'm talking about big time players.


Byron Scott
George Gervin
Bob McAdoo
Darryl Dawkins
Michael Ray Richardson
Dominique Wilkins


They all played in the Euroleague, I think it is fair to qualify them all as "big time" players in the USA. I am probably forgetting a whole bunch of others too.

[AirTupac]

No he was not you ****ing scum bag. There is no such thing as a ranking of players on that site and there never has been in the entire existence of the website.

BTW Krstic was ranked #1 best player on NBA.com

source NBA.com

THE OFFICIAL SITE http://www.euroleague.net/

GO CHECK IT OUT YOU IDIOT. Krstic was voted #1 by a landslide.

[Euroleague]

I'm not sure, but McAdoo and Wilkins were old when they came to Europe weren't they? I'm asking, i don't know.

Like i said, Deron Williams has a game suited to Europe style. But for example, i don't think a guy like Wall, Jennings or DeRozan who are above average players in NBA would be any good in Europe. Like Lawson wasn't.


Wilkins average 18.2 points per game in the NBA the year AFTER he played in Greece. Are you saying a guy that averaged over 18 a game a year AFTER he was in Euroleague isn't a big time player?

Deron Williams is in your discussion why? He has never in his life played in a Euroleague game so why do you even mention him?

Ty Lawson
Ricky Rubio
Goran Dragic
Brandon Jennings
Jannero Pargo

every single one of them was a gigantic scrub that sucked absolutely horrible in Euroleague. It's illogical why you keep defending Rubio.

He's a good NBA player but he sucked donkey dick in Euroleague. As awful as Lawson was in Euroleague - he was still better than Rubio was.

You are definitely showing a bias here man.

[Euroleague]

Ty Lawson didn't adjust well at all but I think with a full year of European play under his belt, he would have been much better, probably a similar player to McCalebb at least. He seemed rusty and out of game shape when he played with Zalgiris. That team was also a mess last season.

Similar to McCalebb yes. As good as him? Not even half as good.

McCalebb is vastly more athletic and explosive than Lawson is and he's also a far superior shooter to Lawson.

Lawson is a poor man's version of McCalebb. He's a good player, but he's way worse than McCalebb is.

[KG215]

Byron Scott
George Gervin
Bob McAdoo
Darryl Dawkins
Michael Ray Richardson
Dominique Wilkins


They all played in the Euroleague, I think it is fair to qualify them all as "big time" players in the USA. I am probably forgetting a whole bunch of others too.

And how old and how far past their primes were those players when they played Euroleague?

[Euroleague]

Mc Adoo was like 50 and no NBA team wanted to sign him so he went to Europe and became young again.

Nique was still a good role player in NBA but he went to Europe and became a human highlight again.

Usually it takes a year for any average player to feel the Euro style. Just look at Childress, he struggled in his first year but took off in his 2nd year and named to All Euroleague team. :bowdown: Funny thing is he rarely played when he went back to the real man's league. :oldlol:


Josh Childress was voted as the worst player of Olympiacos in the last decade by Olympiacos fans.

As bad as Rubio was in Euroleague - he was like prime Jordan compared to Childress.

Childress was so pathetic in Euroleague that he had the fans of EVERY stadium laughing at him and signing songs just for him. The owners of the team threw a party when he left.

I honestly think he would have to pay teams in Europe to sign him again.

[KG215]

Similar to McCalebb yes. As good as him? Not even half as good.

McCalebb is vastly more athletic and explosive than Lawson is and he's also a far superior shooter to Lawson.

Lawson is a poor man's version of McCalebb. He's a good player, but he's way worse than McCalebb is.

See, it's posts like this. You want to say McCalebb is better than Lawson, fine. But when you start saying he's a far superior shooter than Lawson and that Lawson is way worse than McCalebb...that's when you go too far.

[KG215]

Josh Childress was voted as the worst player of Olympiacos in the last decade by Olympiacos fans.
Link and/or proof?


As bad as Rubio was in Euroleague - he was like prime Jordan compared to Childress.
And it's already been established by an objective poster than you, that Rubio wasn't nearly as awful as you tried to make him sound.

[AirTupac]

Josh Childress

Played high-school basketball at Mayfair HS, Lakewood, Ca...played college basketball at Stanford University (2001-04)...signed for the 2004-05 season by Atlanta Hawks...played there till the 2007-08 championship...moved to Greece for the 2008-09 season, signed by Olympiacos Piraeus

[Euroleague]

I never said he would be best C in NBA but that he would play the same as he is in Europe , in other words he would have the same stats . Just because you don't think Pekovic or Gasol are clearly great players doesn't mean you are right , and Law is an example of player that is bad in Europe and in NBA .


Acie Law is NOT a bad Euroleague player.

Jesus ****ing Christ you are just as bad as the racist retarded xenophobic American NBA only fan afro black supremacists here.

It's really sad that even you have turned into a troll, when I used to really respect you as a poster.

For **** sake, Acie Law is EASILY one of the best Americans to ever play in Euroleague.

I am equating your bashing on him to no reason as being just as dishonest and biased as the people that say Rubio and Childress were good in Euroleague, when they were in fact so horrible that entire arenas laughed and made fun of them.

I get it, Partizan fans don't like Law. But stop this bull shit about he isn't a good Euroleague player, because he actually is a damn good Euroleague player.

[Euroleague]

I mean that's a straw man's argument. It's the same thing when people say that if you give any decent player as many shots as Kobe, Iverson, Jordan, etc...they would all put up the same stats. First off I disagree with that. Second off if you gave someone, like say, Nate Robinson, as many shots as Kobe or Durant, etc...he may put up good stats but his team would not win. If NBA coaches thought it would help them to win they would have given Krstic the ball more.

It's it not like Krstic put up these numbers to be voted the best center in Euroleague on a crappy team. He was the starting center and 2nd best player of Euroleague's runner-up. The team that lost the Euroleague final by one point.

BTW Anyone who doesn't think that either of the Gasol brothers are great players are wrong. Pekovic on the other hand, while being very good, has not earned the title great yet from what he was done in the NBA.


You are the biggest god damn joke I've ever seen on this site.

[AirTupac]

Black people are stronger and faster

[Euroleague]

So that makes him what, Michael Jordan? :oldlol:


No that makes him a good 6th man on a good team.

Rubio is the worst rotation point guard of the last 10 years in Euroleague.

[Euroleague]

Deron Williams was voted best Euroleague player by Euroleague fans.

Jan Vesely was voted best NBA player by NBA fans.

[Fiba basketball]

I mean that's a straw man's argument. It's the same thing when people say that if you give any decent player as many shots as Kobe, Iverson, Jordan, etc...they would all put up the same stats. First off I disagree with that. Second off if you gave someone, like say, Nate Robinson, as many shots as Kobe or Durant, etc...he may put up good stats but his team would not win. If NBA coaches thought it would help them to win they would have given Krstic the ball more.

It's it not like Krstic put up these numbers to be voted the best center in Euroleague on a crappy team. He was the starting center and 2nd best player of Euroleague's runner-up. The team that lost the Euroleague final by one point.

BTW Anyone who doesn't think that either of the Gasol brothers are great players are wrong. Pekovic on the other hand, while being very good, has not earned the title great yet from what he was done in the NBA. Krstic is just as good as Pekovic , and I remember having this same discussion with someone about Pekovic and he claimed the same as you are claiming now about Krstic while said Pekovic just needs to get a chance to do what he does best . In Euroleague pick and roll ( best part of Krstics game ) is played most of the game while in NBA they don't play pnr that much insted they play a lot of isolation so Krstic didn't have a chance to show what he can do , and that is to be a 15/7 guy in NBA .

[AirTupac]

Jan Vesely was voted best NBA player by NBA fans.

I've never heard of him...

[Euroleague]

Thank you for setting him straight you gargantuan douche.

You told me you want serious basketball discussion and for facts to be said here and for players to be judged objectively.

In this entire thread I only saw me and Grinder even make an attempt at that, which is amazing because Grinder used to be the biggest troll of the site.

But I noticed that he greatly improved and stopped trolling lately.

Maybe there is hope....

why don't you start to help then by stop attacking me for being totally objective and true in every post I make and start attacking **** like that gaypizza guy that lie about 50 times with each post they make.

[Euroleague]

THE OFFICIAL SITE http://www.euroleague.net/

GO CHECK IT OUT YOU IDIOT. Krstic was voted #1 by a landslide.


at the OFFICIAL site Beno Udrih was voted #1 by NBA fans as the best player in the NBA, winning by a landslide.

NBA.com

[KG215]

You told me you want serious basketball discussion and for facts to be said here and for players to be judged objectively.

In this entire thread I only saw me and Grinder even make an attempt at that, which is amazing because Grinder used to be the biggest troll of the site.


Grinder's never been a troll. Not even close. The only reason you think so is because he brought objective bias-free Euroleague discussion to the site and disagreed with your personal opinions. And, as is always the case, when someone says something you disagree with, they're a troll and you call them a name.

I tried having a civil conversation with you last night, but you told me to shut-up and called me a name multiple times.

[AirTupac]

RICKY RUBIO

Youngest player ever to play in the Spanish ACB League on October 15, 2005, at age 14.

Has Won Euroleague MVP 3 times

Euroleague Champ 5 X

Youngest player to win MVP and Championship in Euroleague history

[Euroleague]

And how old and how far past their primes were those players when they played Euroleague?


You see you did it again. You claim you want to be fair and objective here but you are just another **********.

But you are a hypocrit on top of it.

News flash mother****er guys like Parker and Jasikevicius were well past their primes when they came to the NBA, so was Sabonis and Prigioni and etc.

But never once in history has any NBA fan ever mentioned that.

Go **** yourself you biased and nonobjective POS.

[Maga_1]

Euroleague, did i said that Rubio was good in Euroleague? No. I said he was average, i saw probably 75% of ACB games because i have an account on Orange Arena and i saw most of his Euroleague games.
He was not that bad, he did want they wanted him to do .. basic stuff.

And i can agree with Krstic > Bourousis last season, sorry but i can't. I saw some Emporio games and most of CSKA games and Krstic was getting more involved and being crucial.

But that's my opinion. You can't bash that saying that i've no knowleadge.


Ps - When i said that big time american players don't come to Euroleague, i wasn' talking about past players i was talking about current stars.
And yes, i know Williams played Eurochallenge i was just saying that Williams game is suited to play european style.

[Euroleague]

See, it's posts like this. You want to say McCalebb is better than Lawson, fine. But when you start saying he's a far superior shooter than Lawson and that Lawson is way worse than McCalebb...that's when you go too far.

What I said is true. What you are doing is being a mother****ing POS because you don't like the truth and you can't handle it.

Welcome to ignore you stupid ****. I hate nothing more than hypocrites.

[KG215]

Euroleague, did i said that Rubio was good in Euroleague? No. I said he was average, i saw probably 75% of ACB games because i have an account on Orange Arena and i saw most of his Euroleague games.
He was not that bad, he did want they wanted him to do .. basic stuff.

And i can't agree with Krstic > Bourousis last season, sorry but i can't. I saw some Emporio games and most of CSKA games and Krstic was getting more involved and being crucial.

You're an objective Euroleague fan, so I'll ask you. Is McCalebb a far superior shooter and way better player than Ty Lawson?

[Euroleague]

Link and/or proof?


And it's already been established by an objective poster than you, that Rubio wasn't nearly as awful as you tried to make him sound.

You mother****er are sick. Saying Childress and Rubio possibly the 2 worst rotation players in Euroleague of the last 10 years were somehow good players, among the best, "dominant".

Every single one of you people that believe this shit are truly certifiable INSANE.

You really are the shining examples of why everyone in the world hates Americans with an incredibly deep and hot burning passion.

[Euroleague]

Josh Childress

Played high-school basketball at Mayfair HS, Lakewood, Ca...played college basketball at Stanford University (2001-04)...signed for the 2004-05 season by Atlanta Hawks...played there till the 2007-08 championship...moved to Greece for the 2008-09 season, signed by Olympiacos Piraeus…

named to the 2009-10 All-Euroleague First Team...won the 2010 Greek National Cup with Olympiacos Piraeus...named to the 203-04 All-Pac 10 1st Team...played at the 2003 Panamerican Games.

From the Euroleague site :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


Dozens of posts containing nothing but pure lies from this guy and KG 215 says nothing. But I post the TRUTH and get attacked.

No surprise, anyone that likes KG is probably a child rapist. KG is the single biggest clown to ever play in the NBA and his fans are even worse.

[Maga_1]

You're an objective Euroleague fan, so I'll ask you. Is McCalebb a far superior shooter and way better player than Ty Lawson?

In European style? Yes.
McCllaeb has one thing that most of american players don't have. He's very very efficient. You rarely see him shooting lower than 50% scoring always more than 14ppg.

In terms of shooting, i still think McCallaeb his a better shooter but he doesn't shoot so much as Lawson do. He's more of an explosive slasher.

[Euroleague]

Black people are stronger and faster

and dumber and have smaller penises

well at least in your case.

[Fiba basketball]

Acie Law is NOT a bad Euroleague player.

Jesus ****ing Christ you are just as bad as the racist retarded xenophobic American NBA only fan afro black supremacists here.

It's really sad that even you have turned into a troll, when I used to really respect you as a poster.

For **** sake, Acie Law is EASILY one of the best Americans to ever play in Euroleague.

I am equating your bashing on him to no reason as being just as dishonest and biased as the people that say Rubio and Childress were good in Euroleague, when they were in fact so horrible that entire arenas laughed and made fun of them.

I get it, Partizan fans don't like Law. But stop this bull shit about he isn't a good Euroleague player, because he actually is a damn good Euroleague player.
What can Law do ? He is bad defender , isn't athleathic , can't shoot , can't pass and is an above avrage when it comes to penentrations . I think he is a good guy but find his stats from his time with Partizan and you will see why I think he's bad , it's easyer to play when you are 9th best player on your team and people don't expect much from you .

[AirTupac]

and dumber and have smaller penises

well at least in your case.

I'm from Europe you racist baboon.

[Euroleague]

Krstic is just as good as Pekovic , and I remember having this same discussion with someone about Pekovic and he claimed the same as you are claiming now about Krstic while said Pekovic just needs to get a chance to do what he does best . In Euroleague pick and roll ( best part of Krstics game ) is played most of the game while in NBA they don't play pnr that much insted they play a lot of isolation so Krstic didn't have a chance to show what he can do , and that is to be a 15/7 guy in NBA .

ONCE AGAIN do not waste your time with that guy. He is clearly mentally deranged.

[gabepizza]

You see you did it again. You claim you want to be fair and objective here but you are just another **********.

But you are a hypocrit on top of it.

News flash mother****er guys like Parker and Jasikevicius were well past their primes when they came to the NBA, so was Sabonis and Prigioni and etc.

But never once in history has any NBA fan ever mentioned that.

Go **** yourself you biased and nonobjective POS.

Parker was well past his prime at 31? You mean one year after he was voted Euroleague MVP for the second consecutive year? Jasikevicius was well past his prime at 29? You mean the year after he was Euroleague Final Four MVP and voted to 1st team all-Euroleague team?

More lies. Krstic was voted all-Euroleague 1st team. Meaning official Euroleague voters believed he was the best center in the league. Childress was voted all-Euroleague second team, meaning official Euroleague voters believed he was the 2nd best at his position. Rubio won the Euroleague rising star award meaning official Euroleague people voted him the best young player in Euroleague (similar to ROTY)

So I ask people here, who should we believe? This delusional troll "Euroleague" or the actual Euroleague itself that gives these awards.

I caught you in a blatant lie saying Parker and Jasikevicius were well past their primes when they came to the NBA, when anyone with a computer could look up that they came over at 29 and 31 right after winning best player on championship team awards and consecutive league MVP titles. Now are you going to admit you were wrong (lying) or just stay this delusional troll that everyone makes fun of?

[Euroleague]

Grinder's never been a troll. Not even close. The only reason you think so is because he brought objective bias-free Euroleague discussion to the site and disagreed with your personal opinions. And, as is always the case, when someone says something you disagree with, they're a troll and you call them a name.

I tried having a civil conversation with you last night, but you told me to shut-up and called me a name multiple times.


Grinder has said more shit in this forum than ANYONE. He reformed recently and grew up. Kudos to him.

You are a ****ing stupid person. Every single thing I am saying is true and totally accurate and objective.

But YOU are choosing to pretend it isn't. That makes you just as psychotic and delusional as that gaypizza queer.

[Fiba basketball]

Euroleague, did i said that Rubio was good in Euroleague? No. I said he was average, i saw probably 75% of ACB games because i have an account on Orange Arena and i saw most of his Euroleague games.
He was not that bad, he did want they wanted him to do .. basic stuff.

And i can't agree with Krstic > Bourousis last season, sorry but i can't. I saw some Emporio games and most of CSKA games and Krstic was getting more involved and being crucial.

But that's my opinion. You can't bash that saying that i've no knowleadge.


Ps - When i said that big time american players don't come to Euroleague, i wasn' talking about past players i was talking about current stars.
And yes, i know Williams played Eurochallenge i was just saying that Williams game is suited to play european style. You can't agree that Krstic is better than Bourusis ?

[Maga_1]

You can't agree that Krstic is better than Bourusis ?

My bad, i agree.
Miscomunication, going to edit.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague, did i said that Rubio was good in Euroleague? No. I said he was average, i saw probably 75% of ACB games because i have an account on Orange Arena and i saw most of his Euroleague games.
He was not that bad, he did want they wanted him to do .. basic stuff.

And i can't agree with Krstic > Bourousis last season, sorry but i can't. I saw some Emporio games and most of CSKA games and Krstic was getting more involved and being crucial.

But that's my opinion. You can't bash that saying that i've no knowleadge.


Ps - When i said that big time american players don't come to Euroleague, i wasn' talking about past players i was talking about current stars.
And yes, i know Williams played Eurochallenge i was just saying that Williams game is suited to play european style.


I get it, you are biased. You won't admit the truth about Rubio. He's a good NBA player but he was horrible in Euroleague and good god even much worse with Spain's national team.

I understand totally. You refuse to admit the truth about Rubio.

Well OK I agree I don't think of a so-called big NBA star in his prime being in Euroleague.

As for Krstic being the best center in Euroleague......I seriously HOPE you do not actually believe that. Krstic is a very good player and he WAS a very good NBA player no matter what these ****ing CLOWNS here say.

But no way in hell is he the best in Euroleague. Krstic simply can score (in a lot of ways - sort of a poor man Pau) and rebound. That's it. He plays no defense and he cannot handle any amount of physical play whatsoever.

Even when he has a 10-12 cm height advantage he will struggle if the defender is physical with him. And while he is a very good scorer, most of that is from pick an roll entirely created by his point guard as fiba said when he tried to reason with that racist redneck gaypizza.

It's the creation from Kidd or Teodosic. Minus that, he becomes a guy that needs to shoot a lot from face up and high post, because despite having a good post game, he can't handle physical play. And like I said, no defense at all.

Sorry, but Bourousis, Andersen, Schortsanitis - all of them are CLEARLY better centers in Euroleague than Krstic is. Again, Krstic is a good player, but he isn't in any ****ing way best in Euroleague.

Hell, I think you can easily make the argument that guys like N'Dong, Shermadini, Dorsey, Batiste are as good or better than Krstic is.

[Euroleague]

You're an objective Euroleague fan, so I'll ask you. Is McCalebb a far superior shooter and way better player than Ty Lawson?


He's objective except when it comes to Rubio.

[Maga_1]

I get it, you are biased. You won't admit the truth about Rubio. He's a good NBA player but he was horrible in Euroleague and good god even much worse with Spain's national team.

I understand totally. You refuse to admit the truth about Rubio.

Well OK I agree I don't think of a so-called big NBA star in his prime being in Euroleague.

As for Krstic being the best center in Euroleague......I seriously HOPE you do not actually believe that. Krstic is a very good player and he WAS a very good NBA player no matter what these ****ing CLOWNS here say.

But no way in hell is he the best in Euroleague. Krstic simply can score (in a lot of ways - sort of a poor man Pau) and rebound. That's it. He plays no defense and he cannot handle any amount of physical play whatsoever.

Even when he has a 10-12 cm height advantage he will struggle if the defender is physical with him. And while he is a very good scorer, most of that is from pick an roll entirely created by his point guard as fiba said when he tried to reason with that racist redneck gaypizza.

It's the creation from Kidd or Teodosic. Minus that, he becomes a guy that needs to shoot a lot from face up and high post, because despite having a good post game, he can't handle physical play. And like I said, no defense at all.

Sorry, but Bourousis, Andersen, Schortsanitis - all of them are CLEARLY better centers in Euroleague than Krstic is. Again, Krstic is a good player, but he isn't in any ****ing way best in Euroleague.

Hell, I think you can easily make the argument that guys like N'Dong, Dorsey, Batiste are as good or better than Krstic is.

It's your opinion vs my opinion, let's just agree to disagree.
For me the best center in Europe is Ante Tomic, but that's just what i see.

[Euroleague]

My bad, i agree.
Miscomunication, going to edit.


You will have to explain how Krstic is better than Bourousis, because from a purely basketball perspective, Bourousis is light years ahead of Krstic.

So please break down and explain this.

[Euroleague]

What can Law do ? He is bad defender , isn't athleathic , can't shoot , can't pass and is an above avrage when it comes to penentrations . I think he is a good guy but find his stats from his time with Partizan and you will see why I think he's bad , it's easyer to play when you are 9th best player on your team and people don't expect much from you .


You are being just as big of a dickhead as these NBA only fans that are bashing Krstic for no reason and are just making up lies.

Acie Law is easily way better than every single player on Partizan's current roster, and in the recent times he is actually playing much better than Teodosic is.

Of course he's not as talented or good as Teodosic, but the point is that you are being a dick for no reason when it comes to Law. Just like the gaypizza guy is being a dick about Krstic.

[Maga_1]

You will have to explain how Krstic is better than Bourousis, because from a purely basketball perspective, Bourousis is light years ahead of Krstic.

So please break down and explain this.

Since Bourousis came to Italy, in my opinion again i say, he became a lot "softer". I don't know maybe he looked out of shape and not very confident at all at least in the games that i saw, but maybe i just catched bad games. I thought he would dominante an inferior italian league, but that didn't happen the way i expected.

Krstic is, like you said, very talented on offense. He works a lot to get his shoots, rolling to the basket on the pick and rolls or grabbing big boards against superior athletic players. He really surprised me last season, he seemed motivated and trying to do the right players. I think guys like Kryapa and Kirilenko were a big help for him.

Again, it's not about knowleadge.. it's about perception of the game, opinions.
You can be right and i can be right.

[Fiba basketball]

You will have to explain how Krstic is better than Bourousis, because from a purely basketball perspective, Bourousis is light years ahead of Krstic.

So please break down and explain this.
Why don't you explain why do you think Bourusis is better ?

[gabepizza]

Parker was well past his prime at 31? You mean one year after he was voted Euroleague MVP for the second consecutive year? Jasikevicius was well past his prime at 29? You mean the year after he was Euroleague Final Four MVP and voted to 1st team all-Euroleague team?

More lies. Krstic was voted all-Euroleague 1st team. Meaning official Euroleague voters believed he was the best center in the league. Childress was voted all-Euroleague second team, meaning official Euroleague voters believed he was the 2nd best at his position. Rubio won the Euroleague rising star award meaning official Euroleague people voted him the best young player in Euroleague (similar to ROTY)

So I ask people here, who should we believe? This delusional troll "Euroleague" or the actual Euroleague itself that gives these awards.

I caught you in a blatant lie saying Parker and Jasikevicius were well past their primes when they came to the NBA, when anyone with a computer could look up that they came over at 29 and 31 right after winning best player on championship team awards and consecutive league MVP titles. Now are you going to admit you were wrong (lying) or just stay this delusional troll that everyone makes fun of?

[Euroleague]

I'm from Europe you racist baboon.

You are a black guy with a 2 cm dick.

[Euroleague]

Parker was well past his prime at 31? You mean one year after he was voted Euroleague MVP for the second consecutive year? Jasikevicius was well past his prime at 29? You mean the year after he was Euroleague Final Four MVP and voted to 1st team all-Euroleague team?

More lies. Krstic was voted all-Euroleague 1st team. Meaning official Euroleague voters believed he was the best center in the league. Childress was voted all-Euroleague second team, meaning official Euroleague voters believed he was the 2nd best at his position. Rubio won the Euroleague rising star award meaning official Euroleague people voted him the best young player in Euroleague (similar to ROTY)

So I ask people here, who should we believe? This delusional troll "Euroleague" or the actual Euroleague itself that gives these awards.

I caught you in a blatant lie saying Parker and Jasikevicius were well past their primes when they came to the NBA, when anyone with a computer could look up that they came over at 29 and 31 right after winning best player on championship team awards and consecutive league MVP titles. Now are you going to admit you were wrong (lying) or just stay this delusional troll that everyone makes fun of?


It's amazing............but this guy could be the biggest troll of this site's history based on just this post alone.

[AirTupac]

It's amazing............but this guy could be the biggest troll of this site's history based on just this post alone.

He stated nothing but facts you stupid ****

[Euroleague]

It's your opinion vs my opinion, let's just agree to disagree.
For me the best center in Europe is Ante Tomic, but that's just what i see.


I think you have most talented confused with best. I won't argue for one second that Tomic is the most talented center in Euroleague. But he's not even in the discussion for the best one.

He's the softest European center I have ever seen in my entire life.

[Euroleague]

Since Bourousis came to Italy, in my opinion again i say, he became a lot "softer". I don't know maybe he looked out of shape and not very confident at all at least in the games that i saw, but maybe i just catched bad games. I thought he would dominante an inferior italian league, but that didn't happen the way i expected.

Krstic is, like you said, very talented on offense. He works a lot to get his shoots, rolling to the basket on the pick and rolls or grabbing big boards against superior athletic players. He really surprised me last season, he seemed motivated and trying to do the right players. I think guys like Kryapa and Kirilenko were a big help for him.

Again, it's not about knowleadge.. it's about perception of the game, opinions.
You can be right and i can be right.


Bourousis played all last season with a tear in his knee. As far as I know he needs surgery but never got it. That is STILL the case to my knowledge. However, he got rest this summer so he should be OK.

Maybe he looked "soft" to you because he had a knee injury that needed surgery. I don't know.

Regardless, in terms of actual basketball standpoint, no way in hell does Krstic touch Bourousis.

And we can say it is "opinion" but that's BULL SHIT. Because I am talking about PURE basketball standpoint. I can't think of a single thing that Krstic does better, or even as good as Bourousis.

On every measure of a center.....Bourousis is BETTER at each individual aspect of the game than Krstic is. So it's quite honestly totally baffling how you can Krstic is better.

If you were comparing let's say...Shermadini to Krstic, then you could pick one or the other and say it's just an opinion of personal preference. NOT in the case of Bourousis and Krstic when one player is so completely and totally better than the other one.

Sorry Maga, but I expect more of you than that, because you do have excellent basketball knowledge.

[Fiba basketball]

You are being just as big of a dickhead as these NBA only fans that are bashing Krstic for no reason and are just making up lies.

Acie Law is easily way better than every single player on Partizan's current roster, and in the recent times he is actually playing much better than Teodosic is.

Of course he's not as talented or good as Teodosic, but the point is that you are being a dick for no reason when it comes to Law. Just like the gaypizza guy is being a dick about Krstic.
No reason ? Again , did you watched him play in Partizan ? Let's agree to disagree on this one .

[Fiba basketball]

Bourousis played all last season with a tear in his knee. As far as I know he needs surgery but never got it. That is STILL the case to my knowledge. However, he got rest this summer so he should be OK.

Maybe he looked "soft" to you because he had a knee injury that needed surgery. I don't know.

Regardless, in terms of actual basketball standpoint, no way in hell does Krstic touch Bourousis.

And we can say it is "opinion" but that's BULL SHIT. Because I am talking about PURE basketball standpoint. I can't think of a single thing that Krstic does better, or even as good as Bourousis.

On every measure of a center.....Bourousis is BETTER at each individual aspect of the game than Krstic is. So it's quite honestly totally baffling how you can Krstic is better.

If you were comparing let's say...Shermadini to Krstic, then you could pick one or the other and say it's just an opinion of personal preference. NOT in the case of Bourousis and Krstic when one player is so completely and totally better than the other one.

Sorry Maga, but I expect more of you than that, because you do have excellent basketball knowledge.
Why didn't Bourousis have second best index rating in EL or was voted in thd all euroleague first team if he is that much better ?

[Maga_1]

Bourousis played all last season with a tear in his knee. As far as I know he needs surgery but never got it. That is STILL the case to my knowledge. However, he got rest this summer so he should be OK.

Maybe he looked "soft" to you because he had a knee injury that needed surgery. I don't know.

Regardless, in terms of actual basketball standpoint, no way in hell does Krstic touch Bourousis.

And we can say it is "opinion" but that's BULL SHIT. Because I am talking about PURE basketball standpoint. I can't think of a single thing that Krstic does better, or even as good as Bourousis.

On every measure of a center.....Bourousis is BETTER at each individual aspect of the game than Krstic is. So it's quite honestly totally baffling how you can Krstic is better.

If you were comparing let's say...Shermadini to Krstic, then you could pick one or the other and say it's just an opinion of personal preference. NOT in the case of Bourousis and Krstic when one player is so completely and totally better than the other one.

Sorry Maga, but I expect more of you than that, because you do have excellent basketball knowledge.

I hate Shermadini, the guy looks so awkward is not even good to watch :lol

You know that everyone are entitled to their opinions, not everyone is correct. You have your points and i've my points ... we are not Euroleague analysts so it doesn't really matter if we are wrong or not.

Maybe you're right in this case, i don't know. I have a lot to learn, so.

[Euroleague]

Why don't you explain why do you think Bourusis is better ?


OK.....

passing - Bourousis is better

shooting - Bourousis is better

face up - Bourousis is better

high post - Bourousis is better

low post - Bourousis is better

left block - Bourousis is better

right block - Bourousis is better

shot blocking - Bourousis is better

3 point shooting - Bourousis is better

mid range shooting - Bourousis is better

reading defense - Bourousis is better

passing out of double teams - Bourousis is better

ball handling - Bourousis is better

rebounding - Bourousis is better and I mean WAY WAY better


The only things i can think of to judge the two where Krstic is as good or better would be in mobility, speed, athleticism.

I think Krstic is more mobile than Bourousis. Bourousis is actually a lot more athletic than Krstic is in actuality, but he has such a huge body frame that he just can't move it all that well.


So,

Mobility - Krstic is better

That's basically it, and truthfully, anyone that would say different and actually knows both players, well they are full of shit.

Bourousis is the most complete and total center of European basket since probably Divac.

[Euroleague]

Parker was well past his prime at 31? You mean one year after he was voted Euroleague MVP for the second consecutive year? Jasikevicius was well past his prime at 29? You mean the year after he was Euroleague Final Four MVP and voted to 1st team all-Euroleague team?

More lies. Krstic was voted all-Euroleague 1st team. Meaning official Euroleague voters believed he was the best center in the league. Childress was voted all-Euroleague second team, meaning official Euroleague voters believed he was the 2nd best at his position. Rubio won the Euroleague rising star award meaning official Euroleague people voted him the best young player in Euroleague (similar to ROTY)

So I ask people here, who should we believe? This delusional troll "Euroleague" or the actual Euroleague itself that gives these awards.

I caught you in a blatant lie saying Parker and Jasikevicius were well past their primes when they came to the NBA, when anyone with a computer could look up that they came over at 29 and 31 right after winning best player on championship team awards and consecutive league MVP titles. Now are you going to admit you were wrong (lying) or just stay this delusional troll that everyone makes fun of?


News flash, all the Europeans here are ignoring you.

[gabepizza]

Bourousis played all last season with a tear in his knee. As far as I know he needs surgery but never got it. That is STILL the case to my knowledge. However, he got rest this summer so he should be OK.

Maybe he looked "soft" to you because he had a knee injury that needed surgery. I don't know.

Regardless, in terms of actual basketball standpoint, no way in hell does Krstic touch Bourousis.

And we can say it is "opinion" but that's BULL SHIT. Because I am talking about PURE basketball standpoint. I can't think of a single thing that Krstic does better, or even as good as Bourousis.

On every measure of a center.....Bourousis is BETTER at each individual aspect of the game than Krstic is. So it's quite honestly totally baffling how you can Krstic is better.

If you were comparing let's say...Shermadini to Krstic, then you could pick one or the other and say it's just an opinion of personal preference. NOT in the case of Bourousis and Krstic when one player is so completely and totally better than the other one.

Sorry Maga, but I expect more of you than that, because you do have excellent basketball knowledge.

How about the Krstic was voted all-Euroleague 1st team and Bourousis has not been on the 1st team in 4 years. In the past three years Bourousis has not even been voted to the all-Euroleague 2nd team. And everything here is opinion. In fact even the selection for all-Euroleague team is an opinion but it is the opinion of many more fans, plus coaches and media, and means ALOT more than the opinion of one solitary troll on the internet. Sorry.

[KG215]

You mother****er are sick. Saying Childress and Rubio possibly the 2 worst rotation players in Euroleague of the last 10 years were somehow good players, among the best, "dominant".

Every single one of you people that believe this shit are truly certifiable INSANE.

You really are the shining examples of why everyone in the world hates Americans with an incredibly deep and hot burning passion.

Where did I say they were dominant. I'd just like some proof that Childress was voted the worst player of the last decade for that team.

If that makes me sick, so be it. And if me asking some simple questions on a message board is "the shining example of why everyone in the world hates Americans...wow.

And lastly, just because people don't believe Rubio was one of the 10 worst players in the entire Euroleague of the last decade and Childress is the worst player to play for his club in the last decade, does not make them "truly certifiably insane."

[gabepizza]

You could say no one listens to me and call me all the names that you want but that still doesn't save you any face from that blatant lie about Parker and Jasikevicius coming over past their primes when they came right after receiving the highest honors in Euroleague.

If if you lie about that why should anyone believe anything you say?

[KG215]

You could say no one listens to me and call me all the names that you want but that still doesn't save you any face from that blatant lie about Parker and Jasikevicius coming over past their primes when they came right after receiving the highest honors in Euroleague.

If if you lie about that why should anyone believe anything you say?

Because if you don't agree with him, you're a liar in his eyes. If you don't agree with his OPINION then you're insane and a liar.

[Euroleague]

No reason ? Again , did you watched him play in Partizan ? Let's agree to disagree on this one .

Of course I watched him play with Partizan. Partizan games are ALWAYS the ones broadcast when they are at home.

Your whole team was SHIT last year. I am well award of that.

I am just saying that you keep saying Law was a "bad Euroleague player" but he isn't. Maybe he was "bad" in the case of trying to be the lead player of Partizan.

In theory, an NBA rotation player for 4 years should be able to lead a Euroleague team like last year's Partizan that was a bad team.

This only works in the psychotic minds of people like gabegaypizza though.

We both know that in TRUTH, Law couldn't handle that responsibility and truth is neither could 90% of NBA points guards.

But, that does not make Law a bad Euroleague player. Because the truth is that he's a quite solid and good Euroleague player. He's just not a star or a team leader, which is what Partizan tried to make him be, simply because they drank the NBA is god kool aide and wrongly assumed a 4 year NBA rotation player could lead a bad Euroleague team.

Acie Law is basically going to be a 6th-7th man type player on a good Euroleague club. He's not going to be a guy to lead or carry even a bad Euroleague team though. It's that simple.

So he is NOT a bad Euroleague player, he's just not capable of carrying a Euroleague team, like Partizan expected him to do, simply because their managers are stupid ****s evidently that believe in this nonsense about how any NBA rotation player can just "dominate" Euroleague.

Sorry if you don't like it, but that's the truth man.

[Euroleague]

Why didn't Bourousis have second best index rating in EL or was voted in thd all euroleague first team if he is that much better ?


In the last few years Bourousis has the highest index rating per minute and highest PER of any Euroleague player.

[Euroleague]

How about the Krstic was voted all-Euroleague 1st team and Bourousis has not been on the 1st team in 4 years. In the past three years Bourousis has not even been voted to the all-Euroleague 2nd team. And everything here is opinion. In fact even the selection for all-Euroleague team is an opinion but it is the opinion of many more fans, plus coaches and media, and means ALOT more than the opinion of one solitary troll on the internet. Sorry.


How about you go molest another little boy.

[Euroleague]

Where did I say they were dominant. I'd just like some proof that Childress was voted the worst player of the last decade for that team.

If that makes me sick, so be it. And if me asking some simple questions on a message board is "the shining example of why everyone in the world hates Americans...wow.

And lastly, just because people don't believe Rubio was one of the 10 worst players in the entire Euroleague of the last decade and Childress is the worst player to play for his club in the last decade, does not make them "truly certifiably insane."


Yes it does. It most certainly does. Denying reality and instead believing in your own fantasy makes you insane.

In the case of maga, he's not crazy, he KNOWS Rubio was a horrible Euroleague player, but he just likes him and he would rather focus on how he does in the NBA.

So maga isn't crazy - he's just biased.

On the other hand, truly believing these delusions, like you - that's freaking nuts and puts you into psycho land.

[gabepizza]

In the last few years Bourousis has the highest index rating per minute and highest PER of any Euroleague player.


So wait, let me get this right. The Greek National Team with the best center in Euroleague, the Euroleague Final Four MVP and three other members of the Euroleague champions were eliminated in the Olympic Qualifying tournament by Nigera? The same Nigerian team that lost to the US by 83 points?

Man Euroleague is worse than even I thought!

I mean Ike Diogu had 17/12 while Bourousis had 18/5. So Diogu in leading Nigeria to victory had over twice as many rebounds as the best center in Euroleague??!! Wow. Maybe if Bourousis got a few more defensive rebounds Greek wouldn't have had the embarrassment of losing to Nigeria...NIGERIA

[Fiba basketball]

In the last few years Bourousis has the highest index rating per minute and highest PER of any Euroleague player.
So do you consider Bourousis to be better player than Spanoulis than ? After all he has higher PER and index rating than ANY Euroleague player

[Euroleague]

So wait, let me get this right. The Greek National Team with the best center in Euroleague, the Euroleague Final Four MVP and three other members of the Euroleague champions were eliminated in the Olympic Qualifying tournament by Nigera? The same Nigerian team that lost to the US by 83 points?

Man Euroleague is worse than even I thought!

I mean Ike Diogu had 17/12 while Bourousis had 18/5. So Diogu in leading Nigeria to victory had over twice as many rebounds as the best center in Euroleague??!! Wow. Maybe if Bourousis got a few more defensive rebounds Greek wouldn't have had the embarrassment of losing to Nigeria...NIGERIA


Greek national team and Nigeria and whatever tournament has nothing to do with Euroleague. Besides Diogu isn't a center you stupid ****.

None of that has any meaning to Euroleague.

But if you want to be so ****ing stupid that you dare to bring up FIBA then.......

Bourousis destroyed Krstic so bad the last time they played in FIBA that it was actually reported that Krstic cried after the game - yes, there were actually some reporters that claimed that.

Bourousis - Krstic from FIBA


BOX SCORE:


http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/84/rid/7986/sid/7526/tid/291/_/2011_EuroBasket/statistic.html



Krstic was nothing but Bourousi's little bitch. That's how Bourousis did a center that averaged 18/8 in the NBA playoffs.



Last time I EVER acknowledge you here. My I.Q. drops by 140 points every time I read one of your posts.

Welcome to ignore. FOREVER.

[Euroleague]

So do you consider Bourousis to be better player than Spanoulis than ? After all he has higher PER and index rating than ANY Euroleague player

Why the **** are you being such a god damn asshole?

That's it. IGNORE LIST

[KG215]

Yes it does. It most certainly does. Denying reality and instead believing in your own fantasy makes you insane.
How am I denying reality? I'm not going to believe something you post unless you provide a link because you've been caught making stuff up on here before when you claimed something without providing a link. That doesn't make me insane and in denial of reality. That makes me a sensible person.


On the other hand, truly believing these delusions, like you - that's freaking nuts and puts you into psycho land.

What delusions am I believing? That Childress wasn't the worst player in the last decade for that club? That Rubio wasn't one of the worst Euroleague players of the last decade? Those are delusions?

[Fiba basketball]

Of course I watched him play with Partizan. Partizan games are ALWAYS the ones broadcast when they are at home.

Your whole team was SHIT last year. I am well award of that.

I am just saying that you keep saying Law was a "bad Euroleague player" but he isn't. Maybe he was "bad" in the case of trying to be the lead player of Partizan.

In theory, an NBA rotation player for 4 years should be able to lead a Euroleague team like last year's Partizan that was a bad team.

This only works in the psychotic minds of people like gabegaypizza though.

We both know that in TRUTH, Law couldn't handle that responsibility and truth is neither could 90% of NBA points guards.

But, that does not make Law a bad Euroleague player. Because the truth is that he's a quite solid and good Euroleague player. He's just not a star or a team leader, which is what Partizan tried to make him be, simply because they drank the NBA is god kool aide and wrongly assumed a 4 year NBA rotation player could lead a bad Euroleague team.

Acie Law is basically going to be a 6th-7th man type player on a good Euroleague club. He's not going to be a guy to lead or carry even a bad Euroleague team though. It's that simple.

So he is NOT a bad Euroleague player, he's just not capable of carrying a Euroleague team, like Partizan expected him to do, simply because their managers are stupid ****s evidently that believe in this nonsense about how any NBA rotation player can just "dominate" Euroleague.

Sorry if you don't like it, but that's the truth man.
That team almost made top 16 so I wouldn't call them shit . Law was player with best carear before signing for Partizan and he had biggest pay so it is normal that fans and the staff expected from him to be the leader of the team .

[Euroleague]

What delusions am I believing? That Childress wasn't the worst player in the last decade for that club? That Rubio wasn't one of the worst Euroleague players of the last decade? Those are delusions?

Yes. I'm not discussing it with you anymore. You either accept reality, or you are nuts.

[gabepizza]

Greek national team and Nigeria and whatever tournament has nothing to do with Euroleague. Besides Diogu isn't a center you stupid ****.

None of that has any meaning to Euroleague.

But if you want to be so ****ing stupid that you dare to bring up FIBA then.......

Bourousis destroyed Krstic so bad the last time they played in FIBA that it was actually reported that Krstic cried after the game - yes, there were actually some reporters that claimed that.

Bourousis - Krstic from FIBA


BOX SCORE:


http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/84/rid/7986/sid/7526/tid/291/_/2011_EuroBasket/statistic.html



Krstic was nothing but Bourousi's little bitch. That's how Bourousis did a center that averaged 18/8 in the NBA playoffs.



Last time I EVER acknowledge you here. My I.Q. drops by 140 points every time I read one of your posts.

Welcome to ignore. FOREVER.

Diogu is a foward/center and at 6'9 250 lbs is definitely a big man. And one reason Greece lost that games is that the superior Nigerian athletes were dominating the boards and making Bourousi their slow unathletic bitch. Nigeria got 10 more rebounds than Greece, including 11 offensive rebounds. Where was this great Euroleague center? Getting shown up by players from the Puerto Rican and French leagues.

And FIBA has everything to do with Euroleague. Just as the NBA's best dominated again for their third straight gold medal, Euroleague's best (the final-4 MVP, 3 other members of the championship team, and the best center in your mind) were made Nigeria's little bitch. If these Euroleague players are so good you think they would do better against the team that lost to the US by 83 when they are playing for the pride of their whole nation?!!!

[Fiba basketball]

Why the **** are you being such a god damn asshole?

That's it. IGNORE LIST You said he was better than any Euroleague player so I asked a perfectly normal question . How can you say that Bourousis is better than any EL player and than say Spanoulis is better ? Please name top 10 EL players in order in your oppinion

[KG215]

Yes. I'm not discussing it with you anymore. You either accept reality, or you are nuts.

Again, it's not reality until you provide some proof.

I can say "Spanoulis was one of the worst players in the NBA in the last 20 years" and it's "reality".

Again, I'm trying to have a civil conversation with you, simply asking for some sort of link or proof Childress was voted as the worst player for his club in the last decade, but every single one of your responses have mostly involved name calling.

[Euroleague]

That team almost made top 16 so I wouldn't call them shit . Law was player with best carear before signing for Partizan and he had biggest pay so it is normal that fans and the staff expected from him to be the leader of the team .

No, it's not normal at all. He isn't good enough to be the leader of a Euroleague team that wants to make the Top 16, which is basically I think the normal objective of Partizan.

So it is not normal.

You can't just take an NBA rotation player and think he can lead a Euroleague team, even if it's just to the Top 16 stage. It takes a REALLY good player to do that. You know Batum wasn't even remotely close to being good enough to do that last year in Euroleague.

So why the **** would Partizan fans and management think Law could do it?

Law's a good Euroleague player, but if you expected him to be a team's top dog, then you are just being totally irrational and illogical.

He's a good Euroleague player - it's just that your expectations for him were extremely out of proportion to what he could actually do.

You do realize that 90% of NBA players can't lead a Euroleague team right? Hell, maybe even more like 95% of them can't. Expecting Acie Law to do so was just ridiculous.

[Euroleague]

Again, i't snot reality until you provide some proof.

I can say "Spanoulis was one of the worst players in the NBA in the last 20 years" and it's "reality".

Again, I'm trying to have a civil conversation with you, simply asking for some sort of link or proof Childress was voted as the worst player for his club in the last decade, but every single one of your responses have mostly involved name calling.

One last time..........yes, you are insane if you refuse to accept that Rubio and Childress were 2 of the worst players of Euroleague's last 10 years.

I am nearing to adding you to my ignore list. I'm not going to talk to you about this anymore.

[AirTupac]

One last time..........yes, you are insane if you refuse to accept that Rubio and Childress were 2 of the worst players of Euroleague's last 10 years.

I am nearing to adding you to my ignore list. I'm not going to talk to you about this anymore.

You have provided no proof of your claims meanwhile on the Euroleague site it states that Rubio achieved those accomplishments and that Childress was in fact voted in the 2nd allstar team. You stupid baboon. Go back Arkansas.

[gabepizza]

"Krstic was nothing but Bourousi's little bitch. That's how Bourousis did a center that averaged 18/8 in the NBA playoffs."

Again with the lies/half truths. 18/8 was in 2005 in a 4 game series. The FIBA game you posted was in 2011. In 2011 Krstic averaged 1.5/1.5 in the NBA playoffs. If you want to do his whole career in the NBA playoffs than he averaged 10.5/5.5. But to take those four playoffs games and saying he averaged 18.5/7.5 in the NBA playoffs is twisting the truth at best,

[KG215]

One last time..........yes, you are insane if you refuse to accept that Rubio and Childress were 2 of the worst players of Euroleague's last 10 years.
No, I'm not. If you can't see that, you're the insane one. Until you provide some sort of logical argument or some kind of proof, then it's your opinion. And me not agreeing with your opinion is not "insane" or a "denial of reality." It's just not.

[gabepizza]

Just another fun facts about Josh "worse player in Euroleague" Childress. The same year he was voted all-Euroleague 2nd team he was starting on a team that made it to the Euroleague final. Although his team lost that final he lead his team in points and led both teams in rebounds. So the player who led his team in points and rebounds in the Euroleague final and was voted all-Euroleague 2nd team by the fans, coaches and media is the "worse player in Euroleague"

This is the type of troll we are having this conversation with.

[KG215]

Just another fun facts about Josh "worse player in Euroleague" Childress. The same year he was voted all-Euroleague 2nd team he was starting on a team that made it to the Euroleague final. Although his team lost that final he lead his team in points and led both teams in rebounds. So the player who led his team in points and rebounds in the Euroleague final and was voted all-Euroleague 2nd team by the fans, coaches and media is the "worse player in Euroleague"

This is the type of troll we are having this conversation with.

You're a xenophobic racist insane colossal moron who's just in denial of true reality. You're insane if you don't believe Childress was the worst player in the last decade. Not just insane. You're psychotic and the reason why foreigners hate Americans.

[Fiba basketball]

No, it's not normal at all. He isn't good enough to be the leader of a Euroleague team that wants to make the Top 16, which is basically I think the normal objective of Partizan.

So it is not normal.

You can't just take an NBA rotation player and think he can lead a Euroleague team, even if it's just to the Top 16 stage. It takes a REALLY good player to do that. You know Batum wasn't even remotely close to being good enough to do that last year in Euroleague.

So why the **** would Partizan fans and management think Law could do it?

Law's a good Euroleague player, but if you expected him to be a team's top dog, then you are just being totally irrational and illogical.

He's a good Euroleague player - it's just that your expectations for him were extremely out of proportion to what he could actually do.

You do realize that 90% of NBA players can't lead a Euroleague team right? Hell, maybe even more like 95% of them can't. Expecting Acie Law to do so was just ridiculous.
Than from what league should they bring players to be leaders ? Westermann is already showing he can be a leader of Partizan and he is only 20 years old so why couldn't Law do it ? OK , maybe he isn't good enough to be a leader for a team in Euroleague but why did he play bad in Adriatic league than ? He was agrave in Adriatic and people expected more of him but since Bo no pg reached fans expectation .

[Euroleague]

Than from what league should they bring players to be leaders ? Westermann is already showing he can be a leader of Partizan and he is only 20 years old so why couldn't Law do it ? OK , maybe he isn't good enough to be a leader for a team in Euroleague but why did he play bad in Adriatic league than ? He was agrave in Adriatic and people expected more of him but since Bo no pg reached fans expectation .

Because Acie Law is a complementary type of player. He's not a "leader". Let me explain it to you so you can understand...........

after Vesely has spent 4 years in the NBA as a rotation player, and his rookie contract is up (same as Law when Partizan signed him) would you expect Vesely to lead and carry Partizan?

Would you think he could be the leader of the team?

Hopefully now you will be able to grasp this.

[Fiba basketball]

Because Acie Law is a complementary type of player. He's not a "leader". Let me explain it to you so you can understand...........

after Vesely has spent 4 years in the NBA as a rotation player, and his rookie contract is up (same as Law when Partizan signed him) would you expect Vesely to lead and carry Partizan?

Would you think he could be the leader of the team?

Hopefully now you will be able to grasp this.
I think Vesely is very overrated player because he's athleathic and I never expected much from him . I agree Law is complementary player but still I expected more than he showed .

[Euroleague]

I think Vesely is very overrated player because he's athleathic and I never expected much from him . I agree Law is complementary player but still I expected more than he showed .

Like I said, you expected too much.

[Euroleague]

Armstrong had 0 points and 1 rebound in his first Euroleague game.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=2#!boxscore


So much for all the NBA only fan predictions that he would be Euroleague MVP, and that he would be, "The Wilt Chamberlain of Euroleague".

[Heavincent]

Off topic.

Delete thread.

[Nash]

Armstrong had 0 points and 1 rebound in his first Euroleague game.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=2#!boxscore


So much for all the NBA only fan predictions that he would be Euroleague MVP, and that he would be, "The Wilt Chamberlain of Euroleague".
Rudy Fernandez lead all scoring with 23 points :roll: :roll:

Bet he'll be a favorite for Euroleague MVP.

[Rooster]

Rudy Fernandez lead all scoring with 23 points :roll: :roll:

Bet he'll be a favorite for Euroleague MVP.

Kirilenko won it last year:roll:

But Farmar is not too far behind.:bowdown:

19 points for top 10 Euroleague player:roll:

[Euroleague]

Rudy Fernandez lead all scoring with 23 points :roll: :roll:

Bet he'll be a favorite for Euroleague MVP.

No. He's not a favorite for Euroleague MVP. He was being guarded by a guy (Maciulis) that played the worst game of his life and apparently should have retired. He came off micro fracture knee surgery.

He was so horrible in that game it's hard to even describe it. I'm a Panathinaikos fan and I already hope they cut Maciulis after just one game. same with Armstrong.

I guarantee that Rudy Fernandez will not sniff a Euroleague MVP award. Of course he won't win it, then later on when that is pointed out to you, you will ignore it.

Like every other Euroleague prediction you have made. Hundreds of them, which ALL were wrong.

[Euroleague]

Kirilenko won it last year:roll:

But Farmar is not too far behind.:bowdown:

19 points for top 10 Euroleague player:roll:

And when neither of them wins Euroleague MVP, it will be about the 500th failed Euroleague prediction by you.

[Nash]

No. He's not a favorite for Euroleague MVP. He was being guarded by a guy (Maciulis) that played the worst game of his life and apparently should have retired. He came off micro fracture knee surgery.

He was so horrible in that game it's hard to even describe it. I'm a Panathinaikos fan and I already hope they cut Maciulis after just one game. same with Armstrong.

I guarantee that Rudy Fernandez will not sniff a Euroleague MVP award. Of course he won't win it, then later on when that is pointed out to you, you will ignore it.

Like every other Euroleague prediction you have made. Hundreds of them, which ALL were wrong.
Are you a Pana fan? Then I guess Spanoulis choosing to sign for Olympiacos must had pissed you off? I bet he's not particularly popular with the guys on Gate 13.

[Rooster]

And when neither of them wins Euroleague MVP, it will be about the 500th failed Euroleague prediction by you.

NBA Scrubs are battling for prestigious :oldlol: Euroleague MVP.

Rudy:bowdown:

Farmar:bowdown:

Weems:bowdown:

V-Span:bowdown:

Euroleague MVP = Best Scrub not in NBA

[KG215]

Ahhh, Euroleague's "it was the worst game of his career/he was playing hurt" go-to argument.

[Euroleague]

Are you a Pana fan? Then I guess Spanoulis choosing to sign for Olympiacos must had pissed you off? I bet he's not particularly popular with the guys on Gate 13.

Yes, I am a Panathinaikos fan.

[Euroleague]

Ahhh, Euroleague's "it was the worst game of his career/he was playing hurt" go-to argument.

If you can find one single European fan to say Maciulis is the same player before his knee surgery then kudos to you.

I already want him cut from my favorite team after just one game. And this guy used to be one of my favorite Euroleague players when he played with Zalgiris.

[Euroleague]

http://www.eurohoops.net/2012/10/flopping/11495


Armstrong in danger…

Βy Nikos Varlas/ varlas@eurohoops.net

American center Hilton Armstrong was signed by Panathinaikos in order to be a starter, he had a good season in France as a player of ASVEL, but the way his new coach Argiris Pedoulakis uses him, indicates that there is an imminent danger for his place in the team’s roster.

In the big game against Olympiacos, Armstrong was a starter, but before the first five minutes of the game, he was subbed and never played again. The same pattern was repeated before in the Euroleague game against Cantu.

Even in the easy game against Aris, for the 1st game day in Greek League, Armstrong had very limited minutes, and it’s clear that his coach’s intention is to replace him, and continue the season with the minutes at position “5” divided between Sofoklis Shortsanitis and Stephane Lasme, who was used 22 minutes against Olympiacos, even though he is still adapting to his new team.

The decision seems to be now at the hands of team’s owner Dimitris Giannakopoulos. If he gives his consent, then Armstrong will be heading to the exit, and the new question will be what kind of player Panathinaikos will add, one other big, or maybe one more guard able to create for his teammates in offense.

---------------------------------------------------------------

ISH NBA only fans:


"I guarantee that Hilton Armstrong will be the first team All Euroleague center".......

"Hilton Armstrong will be the Euroleague MVP. Book it."

"Hilton Armstrong will average 40/20 in Euroleague."

"Hilton Armstrong is the Wilt Chamberlain of Europe".


:lol :oldlol: :roll: :roll: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :facepalm

[RRR3]

The rest of the team is jelly "Hakeem" Armstrong is averaging 40/20/10/8/8

[Euroleague]

The rest of the team is jelly "Hakeem" Armstrong is averaging 40/20/10/8/8

Hilton Armstrong is averaging 1.0 points and 0.5 rebounds per game in the Euroleague.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003331&clubcode=PAN


Clearly, "prime Wilt Chamberlain numbers", and clearly, on his way to "being the first team All Euroleague center"...........just like the basketball "gurus" of ISH predicted........

[kmartshopper]

..lololololololol this thread

[Euroleague]

Panathinaikos cut Hilton Armstrong. He averaged 1.5 and 0.5

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003331&clubcode=PAN&seasoncode=e2012

So, this forum's NBA only fans predicted Joey Dorsey and Hilton Armstrong would be 1/2 in Euroleague MVP and that both would average 30/20 in Euroleague.

Both have already been cut by their teams...............


The "domination" continues...