#19 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Charles Barkley was voted the #18 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

22.1 PPG | 11.7 RPG | 3.9 APG

1992-93 NBA Most Valuable Player
11

[brownmamba00]

mikan better get in that top 20 of yours

[Snoop_Cat]

Baylor. Should've been Baylor > Barkley > Malone.

[fpliii]

what number are you thinking about going up to? the first 15 are probably the consensus (order aside), but the last two are by no means universal (I'm not sure about KG at 16, but I have no problem with that)

you're going to 25 I guess?

[Deuce Bigalow]

mikan better get in that top 20 of yours
Is that a vote for Mikan?

[Deuce Bigalow]

what number are you thinking about going up to? the first 15 are probably the consensus (order aside), but the last two are by no means universal (I'm not sure about KG at 16, but I have no problem with that)

you're going to 25 I guess?
Top 100

[KG215]

Elgin, Pettit, or Dirk...decisions decisions.

[Eric Cartman]

Elgin Baylor.

[Mr Know It All]

Dirk Nowitzki.

[fpliii]

Top 100

lol damn

it's hard enough for me to vote now, not sure how I'll pick guys later

I really have no clue who to pick here, but these are the guys I'm considering:

Baylor
Dirk
Pettit
Pippen
Rodman
Thomas
Wade

they probably round out my top 25 in some order

[Heilige]

George Mikan

[fpliii]

for people picking Mikan, do you think he would've been the same player had he entered the league after the advent of the shot clock?

[Kews1]

Baylor

[DaHeezy]

Baylor. Should've been Baylor > Barkley > Malone.

I don't think Baylor is better than Pippen, who hasn't even sniffed a vote yet


I'll go with Zeke

[L.Kizzle]

for people picking Mikan, do you think he would've been the same player had he entered te league after the advent of the shot clock?
He would have been better. They used to stall Mikan by keeping the ball away from him. Even wih the edition of the black player, he wouldn't have suffered. Dolph Scheyes was great in both eras.

[arifgokcen]

I am gonna go with wade because of his finals performance

[Deuce Bigalow]

Pettit, Baylor, and Mikan belong in the top 20 imo, but that's not going to happen on this list since there's 2 spots left in the top 20. Either one of those guys are deserving, along with a couple of others like Robinson and Dirk maybe.

I vote Bob Pettit
NBA Champion
2x NBA MVP
11x All-Star
10x All-NBA First Team

He had 50 points and 19 rebounds in the Finals Game 6 clincher to win the '58 Title over Bill Russell's Celtics. Pettit also has been top 5 in MVP voting 8 times, and won the first NBA MVP award.

[guy]

If Dr. Js ABA career isn't being factored in, then theres no reason IMO he should be that high. And if it factored in, he should be much higher IMO.

[fpliii]

If Dr. Js ABA career isn't being factored in, then theres no reason IMO he should be that high. And if it factored in, he should be much higher IMO.

that sums it up pretty well

with ABA he's probably just outside the top 5; without it he's fringe top 30 at best

I guess people just split the difference? :confusedshrug:

[WillC]

Baylor. Should've been Baylor > Barkley > Malone.

Correct.

The list started off well but the lack of Elgin Baylor nominations is criminal and taints the list.

[Harison]

Baylor

[ImmortalD24]

Elgin Baylor then Dirk.

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol damn

it's hard enough for me to vote now, not sure how I'll pick guys later

I really have no clue who to pick here, but these are the guys I'm considering:

Baylor
Dirk
Pettit
Pippen
Rodman
Thomas
Wade

they probably round out my top 25 in some order
It's going to get hard after the top 25 because you will have a huge group of players that don't really have that much over everybody else.

[fpliii]

It's going to get hard after the top 25 because you will have a huge group of players that don't really have that much over everybody else.

that's why I'm trying to come up with some objective criteria

problem is, when I do that I always end up with 9 of the top 10 and something like 17 of the top 20 players as bigs

I think what I need to do is carefully study the rule changes:

www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html

and rewatch tape

[SourPatchKids]

I am gonna go with wade because of his finals performance
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cpopictures/Facepalm-Moving.gif

[RoundMoundOfReb]

david robinson

[MiamiThrice]

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Dirk-Nowitzki1.jpg

Horsecock Nowitzki

Baylor? Pettit(who?)? Robinson? Dirk carried his team to a title without any other HOF player playing at an elite level which is something only a few guys in the history of the NBA can say. a Decade of consecutive 50+ win seasons while being the only player on those teams year after year. Now this is a guy you can build a winning atmosphere around. One of the biggest dongs to ever play in the NBA.

[StateOfMind12]

Dirk Nowitzki, he should have been ahead of Barkley really and David Robinson should have as well.

[INDI]

Elgin

[MetsPackers]

# 19 of ALL TIME - ANDREW BYNUM

2x NBA CHAMPION

PEAK STATS: 18.7 | 11.8 | 1.5 | 2

http://hoopstopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/andrew-bynum.jpg

THE GOD!!!

[kennethgriffin]

I think baylor was like top 12 on the last 2 slam tp 500 all time lists.



On ish he might not be top 20



For a guy who averaged 27/14/4 career with 10 first team all nbas and 7 nba finals


Lol... Yall dumb

[BEAST Griffin]

Kobe is above better players because he has more rings. That doesn't seem to apply to Dirk.

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe is above better players because he has more rings. That doesn't seem to apply to Dirk.

:lol

The thing about ring value is. Its not a fluke if a star wins 4-5 rings. You can get lucky once sure. Maybe even twice. But 5 times? Maybe as a role player. But not as a star averaging 25-30


And kobe is one of the most skilled players ever And the most accomplished. So i dont really understand why people insult kobe by saying its just the rings.

[BlackVVaves]

Yea, this list has turned into a "What's your favorite NBA player from memory?" list. Shame.

Barkley over Baylor and Pettit? :oldlol:

Next I'm sure we'll be seeing Zeke, instead of the aforementioned players or David Robinson :roll:

Oh ISH.

[joeyjoejoe]

Baylor

[Horatio33]

John Havlicek.

[TylerOO]

Bynum.

[JuicyJay78]

Dirk

[CarlosBoozer]

http://www.californiasportshalloffame.org/inductees/2007/bio-images/elgin-baylor.jpg

[PK3434]

Elgin Gay Baylor...but its blasphemous to have him this low.

[Noof]

Elgin Baylor

[Gabuyaux]

Dirk

[KOBE143]

David Robinson

[dyna]

Elgin Baylor

[pauk]

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe, catching Pettit, Baylor, Robinson, Isiah, Barry, Havlicek, Cousy, Dirk and Mikan by the toe. He who hollers, ill let him go, Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.

Thats basically how it is for me right now, ill just go with Bob Pettit...

[Sarcastic]

Isiah Thomas.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#19 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

12- Elgin Baylor
5- Dirk Nowtzki
3- Bob Pettit
2- Isiah Thomas
2- David Robinson
1- George Mikan
1- Dwyane Wade
1- John Havlicek
1- Scottie Pippen

[kennethgriffin]

Current Results

10- Elgin Baylor
3- Dirk Nowtzki
2- Isiah Thomas
2- Bob Pettit
2- David Robinson
1- George Mikan
1- Dwyane Wade
1- John Havlicek

barkley was voted ahead of the great Elgin Baylor ( original MJ/Kobe )


shut it down bro. its over

[maybeshewill13]

Baylor.. very close though between him and a few others (Petit/Isiah/Mikan)

[nycelt84]

Bob Pettit

[mentallooser]

Baylor

[Ne 1]

Scottie Pippen.

[Freedom Kid7]

If Barkley and Malone are on here, then Dirk should be here at this point.

[Nero Tulip]

This is ridiculous... watch videos of Baylor and tell me he's better than Dirk :facepalm

The correct answer is Dirk Nowitzki (he should be higher than Barkley actually).

[Nero Tulip]

The thing about ring value is. Its not a fluke if a star wins 4-5 rings. You can get lucky once sure. Maybe even twice. But 5 times? Maybe as a role player. But not as a star averaging 25-30


And kobe is one of the most skilled players ever And the most accomplished. So i dont really understand why people insult kobe by saying its just the rings.

Dirk has done something Kobe has never done, in terms of carrying an otherwise subpar team to a title and most importantly a decade of being contenders (whereas Kobe without a great team... we've all seen how good that is). Guy is one of the most consistent players of his era, if anyone is above the "fluke" argument it's him you dim-witted retard.

[RaininTwos]

This is ridiculous... watch videos of Baylor and tell me he's better than Dirk :facepalm

The correct answer is Dirk Nowitzki (he should be higher than Barkley actually).

Dawg...Baylor is better than Dirk

[Rysio]

lebrick at 11? :no: i demand a recount.

[Colbertnation64]

This is ridiculous... watch videos of Baylor and tell me he's better than Dirk :facepalm

The correct answer is Dirk Nowitzki (he should be higher than Barkley actually).
I've watched the videos.

Baylor is better

[Coffee Black]

Dirk has done something Kobe has never done, in terms of carrying an otherwise subpar team to a title and most importantly a decade of being contenders (whereas Kobe without a great team... we've all seen how good that is). Guy is one of the most consistent players of his era, if anyone is above the "fluke" argument it's him you dim-witted retard.

So we are going to now start equating Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, Shawn Marion, Peja Stojankovic, Tyson Chandler, and JJ Barea to Smush Parker, Lamar Odom, Brian Cook, Devean George, and Kwame Brown?

The truth is Mark Cuban and the Dallas Mavericks organization have done an amazing job in the last 12 years building teams with talent to contend. It definitely was not Dirk's defense, rebounding, and it was only him hitting threes that carried maintained the competitiveness of the Mavericks for years or sustained a championship team.

[BlackVVaves]

Baylor.. very close though between him and a few others (Petit/Isiah/Mikan)

How is Isiah close to Pettit, Baylor, or Mikan?

I'm willing to bet you can't explain that, since none of the posters who have voted for Isiah since #14 was up for debate when I ask.

Probably because the truth is, he's not in the same league as those 3 players in terms of individual dominance, and his career achievements are not vast enough to make up the difference.

[L.Kizzle]

If Barkley and Malone are on here, then Dirk should be here at this point.
Why?

[kennethgriffin]

Dirk has done something Kobe has never done, in terms of carrying an otherwise subpar team to a title and most importantly a decade of being contenders (whereas Kobe without a great team... we've all seen how good that is). Guy is one of the most consistent players of his era, if anyone is above the "fluke" argument it's him you dim-witted retard.


i'm sorry? dallas was subpar in 2011 with

matrix locking up lebron
chandler locking up the paint
with HOF'r Jason Kidd still doing his thing when it matters most. playing great D
peja/terry/butler/stevenson knocking down threes on the outside
while barea destroyed aposing teams pg's with his speed


.it was obvious Dirk was just a great player on a great team because when you took away a few key pieces he FELL THE F*CK OFF ENTIRELY AND IS BARELY RANKED TOP 10 ANYMORE

bum! bring better sH*t than that son




the 2011 mavs were a great all around offensive/defensive team. its not always about a big 3 you know