What if Dwight doesn't resign with the Lakers?

[LosBulls]

What if the Lakers fail to win a championship and Dwight leaves? Will he be the most hated player ever?

He might not want to follow Shaq's footsteps, he might not want to be a sidekick, and he might want more money.

[WockaVodka]

Then I'll applaud him.

[gtfomyface]

what if dwight resigns and wins 10 more championships and kobe wins his 16th ring at age 45 before he retires :confusedshrug:

[LosBulls]

what if dwight resigns and wins 10 more championships and kobe wins his 16th ring at age 50 before he retires :confusedshrug:
Kobe G.O.A.T, Dwight GOAT Center.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

What if the Lakers fail to win a championship and Dwight leaves? Will he be the most hated player ever?

He might not want to follow Shaq's footsteps, he might not want to be a sidekick, and he might want more money.
:coleman:

[LosBulls]

:coleman:
Lakers gonna give Dwight the max with Pau and Kobe on the same roster?

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Then I'll applaud him.
Same here. I'm sick and tired of the Lakers winning every time. It would give other teams a chance. Well, only give the Heat a chance. We are the next Dynasty. Nobody else will win Championships in this decade but the Heat. :rockon:

[niko]

Lakers gonna give Dwight the max with Pau and Kobe on the same roster?
Yes

[SpecialQue]

I'm one of the few Laker fans who's perfectly fine with losing Bynum for a one-year rental.

[pegasus]

I'm one of the few Laker fans who's perfectly fine with losing Bynum for a one-year rental.
I agree. If healthy, they will have a chance to win a chip this year. They were never going to with Bynum and his childish antics.

[RRR3]

I agree. If healthy, they will have a chance to win a chip this year. They were never going to with Bynum and his childish antics.
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[lilgodfather1]

I would think all Lakers fans know that there is a huge risk with a potential one year rental. They shouldn't hate him for it imo, but some of them will because it will effectively end Kobe's championship window.

Dwight likely will not leave the Lakers though. If he does then it shows a lot of insecurity on his part (or he wants to play with Dirk/CP3 in Dallas...).

Edit: This trade could have a huge changing of the guard for up to four teams if the "worst case" scenario plays out for the teams involved in the trade.

Dwight leaves LA for big D to play with CP3 and Dirk (both LA teams get screwed lol, which would be nice...)

Bynum leaves Phily for Cleveland to play with superstar PG Kyrie, and all star SG Dion. Philly gets screwed hard losing their best player.

[magictricked]

I'm one of the few Laker fans who's perfectly fine with losing Bynum for a one-year rental.This. Bynum was never the cornerstone to the team. If Howard leaves at the end of the year then fine, they're the Lakers they always land on their feet, if he re-signs they have that cornerstone for years to come after Kobe's gone. Bynum was never that player, never will be that type of player, the trade actually makes things easier for the Lakers either way

[kennethgriffin]

the thing about it is... either way its a win/win situation for kobe


only way dwight doesnt re sign is if they don't win a title.


and if they don't win with dwight then kobe probably plays longer than he would have if he won a 6th title right away.


so kobe plays 2-3 more years with dwight and wins a 6th or 7th title with pretty good averages of 24-25ppg

or kobe plays 4-5 more years with just gasol and catches kareems 38k points by averaging nearly 30ppg for the next 2 years and 25ppg for the last 2-3


so either way kobes climbing an all time list of something. rings or points... its all up to dwight


and i'm happy either way cause he already has a ton of both. all icing on the cake

[Rubio2Gasol]

What are his other option though?

[lilgodfather1]

What are his other option though?
Dallas, Cleveland, Atlanta as far as I know. All three can offer him a great PG if Dallas/Atlanta can lure Paul.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Lakers gonna give Dwight the max with Pau and Kobe on the same roster?

They'll have his bird rights. That's why he's going to become a FA instead of signing an extension. Same reason why CP3 is going to resign as a FA. They want more money.

[LosBulls]

Dallas, Cleveland, Atlanta as far as I know. All three can offer him a great PG if Dallas/Atlanta can lure Paul.
Bulls can clear cap for him if the events play out or maybe even go back to orlando after ****ing over the Lakers and Orlando tanking for picks :roll: :bowdown:

[DixieNourmous]

I dont see Dwight leaving. If the Lakers dont win this year, I am sure they will be deep in the playoffs.
Lakers are his best chance while in his prime to gather a few rings in a few years.

Lebron will stay in south beach. Durant and Wesbrook will soon bail from OKC (book it), where will they end up is the question. (Durant to the spurs?)

[daily]

I dont see Dwight leaving. If the Lakers dont win this year, I am sure they will be deep in the playoffs.
Lakers are his best chance while in his prime to gather a few rings in a few years.

Lebron will stay in south beach. Durant and Wesbrook will soon bail from OKC (book it), where will they end up is the question. (Durant to the spurs?)

I can see Durant moving on, Some team like the Lakers will go after him. Westbrook? not sure.

[WeGetRing2012]

Lakers gonna give Dwight the max with Pau and Kobe on the same roster?

You should read up on the CBA...

[The Choken One]

I can see Durant moving on, Some team like the Lakers will go after him. Westbrook? not sure.
I see it the other way... Durant/Westbrook reminds me of Kobe/Shaq a bit. Westbrook is the better player imo, but I think OKC will try extremely hard to keep Durant rather than Westbrook. I can honestly see them trading him in a few seasons if they fail to win.

[Brokenbeat]

Dwight ain't gonna leave Lakers money (bird rights), Adidas money (big market contract), AND Hollywood money (Kazaam 2) to go play someplace else. That's without getting into how good the Lakers are going to be this season (and the fact that they're the Lakers for ****s sake). Kupchak knew this, hence the not caring if Dwight committed to resigning before the trade went down.

[BlackVVaves]

Where's he going, to Dallas to pair with Dirk in the second year of his 2-year plan? :oldlol:

[BlackVVaves]

Dallas, Cleveland, Atlanta as far as I know. All three can offer him a great PG if Dallas/Atlanta can lure Paul.

Chris Paul is staying in LA. And, I'm sure you know this by now.

[KeyNote]

When have the lakers lost a superstar to free agency?

[dbk123]

the thing about it is... either way its a win/win situation for kobe


only way dwight doesnt re sign is if they don't win a title.


and if they don't win with dwight then kobe probably plays longer than he would have if he won a 6th title right away.


so kobe plays 2-3 more years with dwight and wins a 6th or 7th title with pretty good averages of 24-25ppg

or kobe plays 4-5 more years with just gasol and catches kareems 38k points by averaging nearly 30ppg for the next 2 years and 25ppg for the last 2-3


so either way kobes climbing an all time list of something. rings or points... its all up to dwight


and i'm happy either way cause he already has a ton of both. all icing on the cake

lol get off kobe's dick bro. Everything you say has to deal with kobe. this thread is about dwight. Are you even a lakers fan? smh kobe dickrider

[SpecialQue]

I see it the other way... Durant/Westbrook reminds me of Kobe/Shaq a bit. Westbrook is the better player imo, but I think OKC will try extremely hard to keep Durant rather than Westbrook. I can honestly see them trading him in a few seasons if they fail to win.

Westbrook gets so much shit for OKC losses that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he left and Durant stayed.

My wet dream is that somehow he'll wind up on the Lakers.

[The Choken One]

Westbrook gets so much shit for OKC losses that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he left and Durant stayed.

My wet dream is that somehow he'll wind up on the Lakers.
Oh lawd... I would love that. I hate OKC...but Westbrook has really grown on me because he really does get so much shlt(I used to bash him, too). I don't think he'll be in OKC in 3 seasons, but no clue where he'll end up. So much will change between now and then...LA would be nice, though. Westbrook + Howard = championship.

[Noof]

Lakers gonna give Dwight the max with Pau and Kobe on the same roster?
Obviously.. :hammerhead:

[LosBulls]

Dwight ain't gonna leave Lakers money (bird rights), Adidas money (big market contract), AND Hollywood money (Kazaam 2) to go play someplace else. That's without getting into how good the Lakers are going to be this season (and the fact that they're the Lakers for ****s sake). Kupchak knew this, hence the not caring if Dwight committed to resigning before the trade went down.
What does Adidas have to do with him playing in LA? And where the hell did you hear Dwight is doing Kazaam 2?

[BlackVVaves]

What does Adidas have to do with him playing in LA? And where the hell did you hear Dwight is doing Kazaam 2?

It has everything to do with him playing in LA. If you followed the Dwight situation even briefly at all this last year, you would have repeatedly heard and read the teams he preferred to be traded to or sign in free agency. All those teams are big market teams; Dwight's contract with Adidas has been heavily reported to include a clause indicating that his earnings from his endorsement will be considerably higher if he plays in a big market city. NY, Dallas, LA.

Why do you think Dwight didn't add OKC to his list or the Spurs? Teams he'd certainly stand an above chance of winning with as their rosters post trade would still hold a significant amount of talent?

[Brokenbeat]

What does Adidas have to do with him playing in LA? And where the hell did you hear Dwight is doing Kazaam 2?


What BlackVVaves said above, and the Kazaam 2 thing was a joke (but you know he'll be doing the movie/tv thing).

[lilgodfather1]

Chris Paul is staying in LA. And, I'm sure you know this by now.
Did he sign an extension that I don't know of? If not then him staying in LA is not even close to a guarantee.

[cranincu]

if dwight doesn't resign, lakers get lebron in 2014 anyway

[TheBigVeto]

Then I'll applaud him.

This.
He should be commended if that happens.
:applause:

[BlackVVaves]

Did he sign an extension that I don't know of? If not then him staying in LA is not even close to a guarantee.

Newsflash. Thanks to the CBA, if a player wants to receive the absolute maximum amount of money within his contract, he must forgo the extension and then sign a new contract with the team (if they own his bird rights).

Similiar to what ultimately occurred in BK with Deron. And, he had even less assurances than CP3 to stay.

[BlackVVaves]

It would take a significantly bad season to make CP3 jump to Dallas or Atlanta.

[G-train]

I agree. If healthy, they will have a chance to win a chip this year. They were never going to with Bynum and his childish antics.

Describe Howard's antics.

[livingby3's]

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i458/leeyock/dwight.png

fcuk dwight.

[ILLsmak]

What if the Lakers fail to win a championship and Dwight leaves? Will he be the most hated player ever?

He might not want to follow Shaq's footsteps, he might not want to be a sidekick, and he might want more money.

lol then he's a loser plain and simple. Why would you leave the only championship contending situation you could be in? I don't think Dwight is a big ego guy like Shaq and Kobe. He's just along for the ride.

-Smak

[Reverend Hoops]

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[wagexslave]

resign =/= re-sign

Learn English.

[BGriffin's Dad]

i would be shocked if either CP3 or Dwight left LA in free agency next year

not happening... not with Griffin and Kobe on their teams

[lilgodfather1]

i would be shocked if either CP3 or Dwight left LA in free agency next year

not happening... not with Griffin and Kobe on their teams
Those are two different caliber of player first of all, and at very different points in their careers. It's not like BG is all of a sudden going to become a top 2 PF of all time, and it's not like Kobe is all of a sudden going to be able to go back in age. If Dwight and CP3 want to play together all they have to do is say the word and the teams with cap space can make it happen. Dallas can offer Dwight something that no other team can, a chance to play with the best PF in the NBA, and the best PG in the NBA. Don't kid yourself a roster that has CP3, Dirk, and Dwight is pretty god damned inviting, and it's not like Dallas is OKC in terms of market.

Edit: Oh and if we think that money is the giant equalizer in all of this the Lakers, and Mavs/Cavs/Hawks/etc can all offer Dwight the same amount of money in the first year. The only difference is in the raises, which honestly equals a few hundred thousand dollars in the first year, and then slightly less than a million, then about a million and a half, and then about 2 million. So I have to ask is approximately 5 million dollars over 4 years (1.25 million a year) worth playing with A) your friend, and B) the best PG/C in the NBA.

Oh and if Larry "the CBA expert" Coon is to believed a 3 year deal with the 4th year player option is the best financial move for Howard anyways, so we're talking about 3 million dollars in 3 years difference at that point, which is chump change to a multi millionaire.

[BGriffin's Dad]

Those are two different caliber of player first of all, and at very different points in their careers. It's not like BG is all of a sudden going to become a top 2 PF of all time, and it's not like Kobe is all of a sudden going to be able to go back in age. If Dwight and CP3 want to play together all they have to do is say the word and the teams with cap space can make it happen. Dallas can offer Dwight something that no other team can, a chance to play with the best PF in the NBA, and the best PG in the NBA. Don't kid yourself a roster that has CP3, Dirk, and Dwight is pretty god damned inviting, and it's not like Dallas is OKC in terms of market.

Edit: Oh and if we think that money is the giant equalizer in all of this the Lakers, and Mavs/Cavs/Hawks/etc can all offer Dwight the same amount of money in the first year. The only difference is in the raises, which honestly equals a few hundred thousand dollars in the first year, and then slightly less than a million, then about a million and a half, and then about 2 million. So I have to ask is approximately 5 million dollars over 4 years (1.25 million a year) worth playing with A) your friend, and B) the best PG/C in the NBA.

Oh and if Larry "the CBA expert" Coon is to believed a 3 year deal with the 4th year player option is the best financial move for Howard anyways, so we're talking about 3 million dollars in 3 years difference at that point, which is chump change to a multi millionaire.

no, the difference isn't a couple hundred thousand.. with the bird rights, it's millions upon millions... anyone with a brain knows that the only reason DWill, CP3 and Dwight didn't sign an extension with their new teams is because they can get a MUCH better contract in the new CBA by letting their old one expire and then signing a new one in FA... it's exactly what happened with Deron and what will happen with Paul and Dwight

i'll bump this thread next year when both are signed to new deals with their LA teams

[AAckley1]

If they win a 'ship and Dwight bolts, they blow it up. They trade away either Nash or Gasol's expiring contract for a prospect, draft pick or wait until another team clearly wants to part ways with a player in the next 2 years.

If the Ellis/Jennings backcourt doesnt work in Milwaukee, I can see the Lakers pursuing Jennings very hard to pair with Kobe + possible lottery picks to end Kobe's career.

After which he will become PartialOwnerBe.

[RazorBaLade]

Those are two different caliber of player first of all, and at very different points in their careers. It's not like BG is all of a sudden going to become a top 2 PF of all time, and it's not like Kobe is all of a sudden going to be able to go back in age. If Dwight and CP3 want to play together all they have to do is say the word and the teams with cap space can make it happen. Dallas can offer Dwight something that no other team can, a chance to play with the best PF in the NBA, and the best PG in the NBA. Don't kid yourself a roster that has CP3, Dirk, and Dwight is pretty god damned inviting, and it's not like Dallas is OKC in terms of market.

Edit: Oh and if we think that money is the giant equalizer in all of this the Lakers, and Mavs/Cavs/Hawks/etc can all offer Dwight the same amount of money in the first year. The only difference is in the raises, which honestly equals a few hundred thousand dollars in the first year, and then slightly less than a million, then about a million and a half, and then about 2 million. So I have to ask is approximately 5 million dollars over 4 years (1.25 million a year) worth playing with A) your friend, and B) the best PG/C in the NBA.

Oh and if Larry "the CBA expert" Coon is to believed a 3 year deal with the 4th year player option is the best financial move for Howard anyways, so we're talking about 3 million dollars in 3 years difference at that point, which is chump change to a multi millionaire.

the diff is actually 20 mil and another year from what i understand

[BlueandGold]

His loss, more cap room for us.

[knickscity]

His loss, more cap room for us.
not next season.

[BlueandGold]

not next season.
I think we're screwed either way as far as cap space goes for next season but long term it's still around 20mil per year that the Lakers have at their disposal, especially with everyone coming off the books in 2014.

[lilgodfather1]

the diff is actually 20 mil and another year from what i understand
It's an extra year, and the 30 million difference is only because the free agent contract is 4 years instead of 5 years with the Bird contract.

If you add in the fact that Dwight can get another contract after that 4th year is up the difference is mitigated to 30ish million - whatever the starting salary is. Really the difference would be something like 5-6 million dollars at the most.

Here is a breakdown I found on Bynum's contract, which would be slightly less than Howard's because Howard's starting salary is higher meaning the raises would have more of an affect on his.


Bynum's starting salary for his next contract will be $16,905,000 (105% of previous contract) no matter where he decides to play. According to whoever's latest article (Coon I believe) Bynum's best bet financially is a 3 year contract with a fourth year option. So the 4.5% raises he would get in free agency would bring his contract up to $72,322,820.97 with non Bird rights over the life of that deal (year 1 $16,905,000, year 2 $17,665,725, year 3 $18,460,682.63, year 4 $19,291,413.34) without the fourth year the total is $53,031,407.63.

The Bird rights contract would be $75,614,744.30 (year 1 $16,905,000, year 2 $18,172,875, year 3 $19,535,840.63, year 4 $21,001,028.67) without the fourth year the total is $54,613,715.63.

The total difference between the contracts is $3,291,923.33 if he takes the whole 4 years, or $1,582,308 if he opts out after the 3rd.

For a player that will have already made over 150 million in his career 1.6 million dollars is fukctotheall. The only real advantage that the Bird contract would offer would be a slightly higher starting contract for the following contract. $19,383,716.76 (non Bird) vs $20,512,632.66 (Bird rights).


So for a 3 year contract with a 4th year option for Howard if the difference is 1.6 million for Bynum we can say the difference would be twice that for Howard, and it still isn't very much to a multi millionaire. Again like Bynum the biggest difference would come in the form of the starting salary.

For a 5 year Dwight Bird contract he would be looking at approximately 114 million dollars, for 4 years of non Bird he would be looking at approximately 80 million + the first year of his new contract which would be 105% of his previous contract (somewhere around 28 million most likely) to bring his total to about 108 million dollars, or 6 million difference over 5 years. That is 1.2 million dollars per year...

[lilgodfather1]

no, the difference isn't a couple hundred thousand.. with the bird rights, it's millions upon millions... anyone with a brain knows that the only reason DWill, CP3 and Dwight didn't sign an extension with their new teams is because they can get a MUCH better contract in the new CBA by letting their old one expire and then signing a new one in FA... it's exactly what happened with Deron and what will happen with Paul and Dwight

i'll bump this thread next year when both are signed to new deals with their LA teams
They didn't sign an extension because it behooves them to do so. Don't think that Bird right's mean that much though, because they really don't. You don't get a MUCH bigger deal by signing the Bird rights deal, the difference is a few million dollars.

Edit: And correct me if i'm wrong, it's been awhile since I looked at the current CBA, but if a player wants to get S&T to a non tax paying team i.e. the Dallas Mavericks he can be traded for 3 years + a fourth player option with full Bird rights. If a 3 year contract with a 4th year PO is Howard and Paul's best financial bet anyways than the Lakers/Clippers can S&T them with full Bird rights to the team they choose so long as they are not over the tax, and they would get A) the Bird rights contract, and B) the team they really want to play on... Seems to me like if my mind isn't playing tricks on me here that Howard and Paul wouldn't even have to lose a dollar to play together...

[All Net]

So dwight is going to take less to sign in Dallas or Atlanta?

[lilgodfather1]

So dwight is going to take less to sign in Dallas or Atlanta?
It's certainly possible because Dallas or Atlanta can offer him something LA can't, the chance to play with CP3 who's contract is not so coincidentally up at the end of this season.

Someone might say but the Lakers have Nash, and that is true Nash is a great player, but he won't be around at the end of Dwight's contract, where as Paul will be in his prime the same time Dwight is. If Dwight, and CP3 want to play together it can happen very easily.

[BGriffin's Dad]

like i said, i'll bump this thread next summer when both Dwight and CP3 are still in LA, with deals that are much better than the ones they would've had by extending

[LakersReign]

Dwight's only logical choice to try and win a title NOW, was to go to the Lakers. If he'd gone anywhere else, it would've been the same as staying in Orlando, he'd have to wait a few more years to win. Only playing 1 year with the Lakers to go......?! makes little or no sense.

[RRR3]

Dwight's only logical choice to try and win a title NOW, was to go to the Lakers. If he'd gone anywhere else, it would've been the same as staying in Orlando, he'd have to wait a few more years to win. Only playing 1 year with the Lakers to go......?! makes little or no sense.
Heat>>>

[Dictator]

Heat>>>

Why would Dwight go to a team where he know he'll never be "the man". He didn't even want to play with oldbe yet he'll play with Lebron?

[lilgodfather1]

like i said, i'll bump this thread next summer when both Dwight and CP3 are still in LA, with deals that are much better than the ones they would've had by extending
You can bump this thread if you want. I'm not guaranteeing they leave, but i'm trying to show blind homers that if they do decide to leave then the amount of money they will lose is not a ton. 5-6 million dollars to an average player who makes 5-6 million a year is a ton, but when we are talking about 100 million dollar contracts here it isn't that much. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh took bigger losses since their starting salary would have been almost 2 million more than they actually took.

You can bump this thread to try and show how dumb I am or whatever the point would be, but I would imagine that any logical person reading this thread 10 months from now would see what I was trying to say. What I am trying to say is if they want to leave they aren't leaving 10's of millions of dollars, but rather 5-6 million over a full bird rights contract, which if Larry Coon is to be believed is not in their best financial interest anyways. Plus what I believe, but cannot remember 100% is that 3+1PO with Bird rights raises can be S&T to teams under the tax, so that leaves Dallas, Atlanta, etc all on the table without Paul, and Dwight having to take any paycut, and they get to play with eachother if they so choose.

It will be pretty inviting for the best PG in the NBA just entering his prime years to play with the best C in the NBA just entering his prime, and if they do decide to leave the Lakers/Clippers, than their decision will likely be to play together forming their own superteam.