#20 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Elgin Baylor was voted the #19 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

27.4 PPG | 13.5 RPG | 4.3 APG

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[iamgine]

David Robinson was better than some of the above and actually has 2 rings.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/mypicwhoring/DavidRobinsonNavyviaSBNation.jpg

[Horatio33]

John Havlicek.

[MasterDurant24]

Changing my vote to Isiah

[Deuce Bigalow]

3rd time voting for him


Bob Pettit
NBA Champion
2x NBA MVP
11x All-Star
10x All-NBA First Team

He had 50 points and 19 rebounds in the Finals Game 6 clincher to win the '58 Title over Bill Russell's Celtics. Pettit also has been top 5 in MVP voting 8 times, and won the first NBA MVP award.

[dyna]

Bob Pettit

[kennethgriffin]

notice how whenever i say a player should have been voted instead of so and so... that player immediately gets voted a bunch suddenly after that

its because i make people think for a change

still.. barkley ahead of baylor is the dumbest sh*t since

next 3 should be

PETTIT
MIKAN
COUSY

[StateOfMind12]

I've never understood why people called David Robinson, DRob.

My vote is Dirk Nowitzki, so DNow.

[Deuce Bigalow]

notice how whenever i say a player should have been voted instead of so and so... that player immediately gets voted a bunch suddenly after that

its because i make people think for a change

still.. barkley ahead of baylor is the dumbest sh*t since

next 3 should be

PETTIT
MIKAN
COUSY
:roll:

[chazzy]

Dirk

[Eric Cartman]

Bob Pettit.

[Harison]

Havlicek:

8x NBA Champion

NBA Finals MVP

13x NBA All Star

NBA All-Rookie Team

4x All-NBA First Team
7x All-NBA Second Team

5x NBA All-Defensive First Team
3x NBA All-Defensive Second Team

Definitely more accomplished than Petitt, Barkley and other remaining superstars.

[IGotACoolStory]

http://thestartingfive.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pray-for-zeke.jpg

[fpliii]

notice how whenever i say a player should have been voted instead of so and so... that player immediately gets voted a bunch suddenly after that

its because i make people think for a change

still.. barkley ahead of baylor is the dumbest sh*t since

next 3 should be

PETTIT
MIKAN
COUSY

what case does any of them have over Isiah Thomas or John Havlicek?

[nycelt84]

Bob Pettit

[Kblaze8855]

Hondo probably has the best resume left. Hes an 8 time champ and at least 6 or 7 of them were as a major player. 29/9/8 player in his prime and all. but he kinda just...doesnt count. Not sure why. But he doesnt seem to count.

[kennethgriffin]

what case does any of them have over Isiah Thomas or John Havlicek?


i value league mvp/finals mvp combo legends above guys who just won a finals mvp

and its easy to know who was the unofficial finals mvp before the award was givin out by going back and looking at the impact a player had.

mikan, cousy, pettit were all these types of players who were the best players in the league and the best players on championship teams

hondo might never have been the best in the league at any point in his career.

zeke was arguably never even one of the top 5 players in the league at any time of his career


magic,bird,kareem,moses,jordan were all better than him in the mid 80's... and magic/bird/jordan/hakeem/barkley were all better than him in the late 80's and early 90's


mikan may never have won an offical MVP award. but they didnt have the award until around after the time he retired

mikan would have easly won it in 1949,1950 and 1951

he would have easly won finals mvp all 5 times he won the title and made the first team all nba almost every year he played



pettit averaged 26/16 for his career
won a title as the best player (unofficial finals mvp before the award came out )
and was a 2 time league mvp to go along with his 10 first team all nba's

as for cousy

would have won finals mvp atleast 2 times over russell ( when looking at the playoff stats )

league mvp

6 titles

10 first team all nba's

[kennethgriffin]

Hondo probably has the best resume left. Hes an 8 time champ and at least 6 or 7 of them were as a major player. 29/9/8 player in his prime and all. but he kinda just...doesnt count. Not sure why. But he doesnt seem to count.

not sure why eh? because pettit,mikan,cousy were bigger all time than him?

[L.Kizzle]

Bob Pettit.

[fpliii]

i value league mvp/finals mvp combo legends above guys who just won a finals mvp

and its easy to know who was the unofficial finals mvp before the award was givin out by going back and looking at the impact a player had.

mikan, cousy, pettit were all these types of players who were the best players in the league and the best players on championship teams

hondo might never have been the best in the league at any point in his career.

zeke was arguably never even one of the top 5 players in the league at any time of his career


magic,bird,kareem,moses,jordan were all better than him in the mid 80's... and magic/bird/jordan/hakeem/barkley were all better than him in the late 80's and early 90's


mikan may never have won an offical MVP award. but they didnt have the award until around after the time he retired

mikan would have easly won it in 1949,1950 and 1951

he would have easly won finals mvp all 5 times he won the title and made the first team all nba almost every year he played



pettit averaged 26/16 for his career
won a title as the best player (unofficial finals mvp before the award came out )
and was a 2 time league mvp to go along with his 10 first team all nba's

as for cousy

would have won finals mvp atleast 2 times over russell ( when looking at the playoff stats )

league mvp

6 titles

10 first team all nba's

but just the other day you said


C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ( arguable goat )
F Elgin Baylor ( top 13-15 )
C Wilt Chamberlain ( realistically top 5-6 )
G Bob Cousy ( top 15-20 )
F Julius Erving ( top 14-15 )
G/F John Havlicek ( top 20 )
C George Mikan ( top 25 )
F Bob Pettit ( top 20 )
G Oscar Robertson ( top 11-13 )
C Bill Russell ( arguable goat )
G Jerry West ( top 11-12 )

link (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7743551&postcount=56)

so in the last couple of days you've moved Mikan ahead of Havlicek?

[iamgine]

Hondo probably has the best resume left. Hes an 8 time champ and at least 6 or 7 of them were as a major player. 29/9/8 player in his prime and all. but he kinda just...doesnt count. Not sure why. But he doesnt seem to count.
That's probably cause he's not viewed as "The Man" what with Bill Russell on the team during his first 6 championships and Dave cowens on his last 2. He might be how Kobe would've been viewed if Shaq didn't decline and left LA.

[MiamiThrice]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGEhgGUnA9M/Tra2MgnW2nI/AAAAAAAAA88/r7tRuGvSTPQ/s1600/Dirk%2BNowitzki%2BNBA%2BChampion.jpg

Horsecock Nowitzki

-Led one of the worst supporting casts all-time to a title, winning the semi-finals,conference finals, and nba finals all as the underdog. (The first round series with Portland also had 50/50 with people picking Portland to upset them).
-League MVP
-NBA record for most consecutive 50 win seasons and was the unquestioned best player on every team, and also the ONLY player on every team.

[pauk]

I'll go with:

JOHN HAVLICEK

1 x FMVP
8 x CHampion
11 x All-NBA
8 x All-Defensive
13 x All-Star

At his peak almost averaged a 30 point triple double (29/9/8)... Hondo was the ultimate team player, one of the first point-forwards ever.

[Kblaze8855]

Just depends on who you ask and when. Not typing this out again so....



Hondo is the disregarded guy who really has the legacy of an all time great but nobody cares about. Boston fans voted him the best celtic of all time in the 70s...over russell. He put up straight superstar numbersi n the playoffs from the mid 60s to the mid 70s. He wasnt on some roleplayer shit most of the time. For the last 3 title runs with Russell around he put up 24/9/4, 26/9/8, and 25/10/6.

He could realistically be like a 15 time all star. He was putting up 20/5 in his second season and wasnt an all star...but he made it putting up 19/6 years later. If they had the loose definition of assists we use back then he might well have been a 29/11/9 player.

He had rings as a high scoring 6th man, rings as his teams leading scorer(though not best player), and rings when Russell was gone. He just has the bad(well...depending on how you look at it) luck of being teamed with someone to overshadow him all the time.

He won it all in college...on a team with Jerry Lucas. Guy forgotten today but he was considered one of the best players in the world for some time. Top 50 all time. All that. And a bigman...bigmen get the credit.

He then went to the NBA to be outshined by Russell.

Russell left and they draft Cowens. Another bigman to get the love. Didnt hurt that cowens was a legit superstar....plus loved because of his style of play.

John was born to be the winner in the background.

Id say he should have stuck with football where he could have gotten attention relative to his accomplishments.....but he was drafted to Cleveland. Where he of course would have been outshined by...Jim Brown.

Yes...John Havlicek was drafted by the NFL.




He put up 28 a game in the 69 finals. 27 a game in the 68 finals with 40/10/7 to close it out. He was one minute short of the NBA record for minutes in a 6 game series. He put up 26/8/5 in the 74 finals.

If they just handed finals MVP to the guy with the most points on the winning team like they do these days he would have 3 or 4 finals MVPs. With 8 rings?

Career accomplishments wise hes pretty much two elite careers in one.

He never won an mvp but he put up 28/9/8 on a 56 win team and 24/7/7 on a 68 win team. So he no doubt had MVP quality years.



I dont know if he should go in now. Not something im too passionate about. Him...Bob...Dirk..Isiah...whatever. None get an argument from me. But John is respected a lot less than he was in his day. And a number of people the basketball public might rank him over in his day get put over him these days.

[pauk]

What Kblaze said.

[upside24]

Hondo.

[kurple]

Zeke

[hangintheair]

I vote for Isiah Thomas

[kennethgriffin]

but just the other day you said



link (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7743551&postcount=56)

so in the last couple of days you've moved Mikan ahead of Havlicek?


ya i said "I" rank havlicek top 20


the only problem here is.... this is not my top 20.... this top 20 people are voting on has some people i wouldn't put in my top 20


mikan/pettit/havlicek/cousy usually are in the 15-20 range for me


but since NONE of these guys are even on the list yet and theres only 1 spot left ... its kind of hard for me to vote for havlicek as a top 20 player since its not my top 20 right?

[fpliii]

ya i said "I" rank havlicek top 20


the only problem here is.... this is not my top 20.... this top 20 people are voting on has some people i wouldn't put in my top 20


mikan/pettit/havlicek/cousy usually are in the 15-20 range for me


but since NONE of these guys are even on the list yet and theres only 1 spot left ... its kind of hard for me to vote for havlicek as a top 20 player since its not my top 20 right?

I guess that's fine

what's your top 25 btw? I've seen your top 10 but I think that's it

[creepingdeath]

Dirk Nowitzki

[INDI]

Bob Pettit

[KG215]

In my opinion this spot should be between Havlicek, Pettit, and Dirk.

I'm going to vote for Havlicek.

[BoutPractice]

Same thing, any of those 3 choices makes sense.

I'll eliminate Havlicek because he appears to have been less of a cornerstone throughout his career. He was a major part of the later Cs success, but he wasn't the centerpiece, the player the team was built around.

This leaves Pettit and Dirk... I'm always going back and forth between those two - not being very coherent here.

They have somewhat comparable resumes... Pettit has one more MVP (but one was in the mid 50s...) while Dirk has had more longevity (Pettit only played 11 seasons, Dirk has already had 14 and probably has two good years left in him).
Pettit appears to have been a better rebounder and defender, whereas Dirk is a more efficient and effective scorer adjusting for pace and competition.

Hmm... I'll vote Dirk. I think if you exchanged the two players, their accomplishments might still look similar, but Dirk would fare better in the 50s (not necessarily in the 60s though) than Pettit in the 00s. It's a weak argument but the only one I can think of to distinguish between them.

[Deuce Bigalow]

1958 NBA Finals - Game 6
With a little more than 20 seconds to play, Pettit drove on Russell, stopped and arched a shot over the clawing grasp of the Celtic captain for the basket that gave the Hawks a 108-105 lead. But Tom Heinsohn made two foul shots with 16 second left to cut it to 108-107. With the Boston defense converging on Pettit, Slater Martin tried a set shot that missed, but Pettit somehow fought his way through the mob of Celtics around him to tap the ball in and make a final Celtic field goal meaningless. Pettit had scored 50 points, including 18 of the Hawks' final 21 points and gained sweet revenge from the Hawks' 1957 NBA Finals loss.
Did not know this, 18 of the last 21 points :applause:
We keep hearing about Wilt's 40+ FGA games against 6'9 centers in regular season games instead...

[Heilige]

George Mikan

[SuperPippen]

Pettit

[Freedom Kid7]

I'll go with Zeke for the I don't even knowth time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7BmIVHdl3o)

[fos]

Another vote for Horsecock Nowitzki

[BlackVVaves]

For the 5th time now...

Bob Pettit

And for the umpteenth time:

Can one of you who have continued to vote for Isiah Thomas since #14 please explain why he was greater than players #14-#19, Bob Pettit, David Robinson, Havlicek, and Dirk?

[Colbertnation64]

Pettit

[G-train]

Havlicek, KG couldn't carry his balls into the gym. Take it however you want.

[kennethgriffin]

I guess that's fine

what's your top 25 btw? I've seen your top 10 but I think that's it


it changes sometimes with a few guys up and down...

this is mine as of right now

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Jerry West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Bob Pettit
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. Lebron James
18. Bob Cousy
19. Karl Malone
19. Isaiah Thomas
20. John Havlicek
21. Charles Barkley
22. Kevin Garnett
23. David Robinson
24. Dirk Nowitzki
25. Scottie Pippen



some people on here should learn from it. study it. and see what a real ranking looks like

[JellyBean]

George Mikan for #20

[Freedom Kid7]

For the 5th time now...

Bob Pettit

And for the umpteenth time:

Can one of you who have continued to vote for Isiah Thomas since #14 please explain why he was greater than players #14-#19, Bob Pettit, David Robinson, Havlicek, and Dirk?
Bob Pettit - You could argue that had Russell not been injured, Pettit might not have put on a good show that '58 finals. Still dominant though and a good player, and could make an argument against Zeke
David Robinson - Getting poor Playoff results pre-Duncan doesn't help a lot. He was an excellent, mobile center and a good franchise guy though.
Havlicek - Him and Zeke are interchangable to me to be honest.
Dirk - His defense and other things can be a glaring issue at times (passing and rebounding mainly), but still a good franchise guy.

Not gonna lie, a huge part of this is bias. Zeke's one of my favorite players so that might cloud my judgement. Oh, and voting for him helps the goal of spamming my video.

[kennethgriffin]

Bob Pettit - You could argue that had Russell not been injured, Pettit might not have put on a good show that '58 finals. Still dominant though and a good player, and could make an argument against Zeke
David Robinson - Getting poor Playoff results pre-Duncan doesn't help a lot. He was an excellent, mobile center and a good franchise guy though.
Havlicek - Him and Zeke are interchangable to me to be honest.
Dirk - His defense and other things can be a glaring issue at times (passing and rebounding mainly), but still a good franchise guy.

Not gonna lie, a huge part of this is bias. Zeke's one of my favorite players so that might cloud my judgement. Oh, and voting for him helps the goal of spamming my video.

bob pettit has become one of the most underrated players ever

his career almost mirrors a guy like moses malone... who was ranked the 12th best ever on here

1954-55 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1955-56 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1956-57 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1957-58 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1958-59 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1959-60 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1960-61 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1961-62 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1962-63 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1963-64 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1964-65 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

1954-55 NBA Rookie of the Year
1955-56 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1955-56 NBA MVP
1957-58 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1958-59 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1958-59 NBA MVP
1961-62 NBA All-Star Game MVP

+ 1957-58 NBA Finals MVP * no award made at the time



1958 NBA champion
8 top five MVP award share finishes



his averages =

20/14
26/16
25/15
25/17
29/16
26/17
28/20
31/19
28/15
27/15
22/12



this guy i quoted called him a "good player"

:lol

[fpliii]

it changes sometimes with a few guys up and down...

this is mine as of right now

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Jerry West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Bob Pettit
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. Lebron James
18. Bob Cousy
19. Karl Malone
19. Isaiah Thomas
20. John Havlicek
21. Charles Barkley
22. Kevin Garnett
23. David Robinson
24. Dirk Nowitzki
25. Scottie Pippen



some people on here should learn from it. study it. and see what a real ranking looks like

cool

there are a few guys I disagree with, but it's not that bad...my current list is in flux, so I can't show you mine atm

[BlackVVaves]

Bob Pettit - You could argue that had Russell not been injured, Pettit might not have put on a good show that '58 finals. Still dominant though and a good player, and could make an argument against Zeke
David Robinson - Getting poor Playoff results pre-Duncan doesn't help a lot. He was an excellent, mobile center and a good franchise guy though.
Havlicek - Him and Zeke are interchangable to me to be honest.
Dirk - His defense and other things can be a glaring issue at times (passing and rebounding mainly), but still a good franchise guy.

Not gonna lie, a huge part of this is bias. Zeke's one of my favorite players so that might cloud my judgement. Oh, and voting for him helps the goal of spamming my video.

Firstly, appreciate the honesty. I'd assume most posters have neglected to discuss why Zeke is a better player than the individuals I mentioned because they don't really have a reason. He's just a favorite player of theirs.

Now to the points you brought up. It certainly can be argued that had Russell not been hurt during the Finals, Pettit wouldn't have won his sole championship. However, his level of performance throughout his career far exceeds anything Zeke ever came close to exhibiting. Pettit has two well deserved MVPs, and would have a FMVP if the award was birthed at the time. I don't see how Isiah even comes close to comparing to be honest.

David Robinson. True, his shortcomings as the leader of his team are well documented and remembered. But aside from 91(I believe) when Robinson's supporting cast was well in dow, when did he have a supporting cast even close to Zeke's? Put David Robinson on the Pistons and Zeke on the Spurs, and Robinson would have at LEAST two rings, a MVP (which he has), a DPOY (which he has), and a couple FMVPs. Isiah would have ...nothing. Once more, David Robinson has 2 rings, a MVP, and a DPOY. Isiah has 2 rings and a FMVP.

As for Dirk, it definitely can be debated either way who was the greater individual player All Time, so I won't go into deep detail. I'd be more confident with Dirk as my team's best player than Zeke, and the same goes for Havlicek. But, if you want to argue that Zeke was a much superior defender and passer, while Dirk was simply a greater scorer, you won't get much dissent from me.

[Noof]

Pettit

[Kews1]

notice how whenever i say a player should have been voted instead of so and so... that player immediately gets voted a bunch suddenly after that

its because i make people think for a change

still.. barkley ahead of baylor is the dumbest sh*t since

next 3 should be

PETTIT
MIKAN
COUSY

i didnt notice that, your the ****ing man

http://cdn.pophangover.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/good-job-good-effort-kid-e1339021157881.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

i didnt notice that, your the ****ing man

http://cdn.pophangover.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/good-job-good-effort-kid-e1339021157881.jpg

:cheers:

sarcasm is impossible to transfer into text. its a type of verbal delivery using body gestures and precise pauses

so i'l take this as a serious showing of praise

:hammertime: :djparty

[Kews1]

:cheers:

sarcasm is impossible to transfer into text. its a type of verbal delivery using body gestures and precise pauses

so i'l take this as a serious showing of praise

:hammertime: :djparty

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[SourPatchKids]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/snl_spittake.gif

[pauk]

it changes sometimes with a few guys up and down...

this is mine as of right now

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Jerry West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Bob Pettit
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. Lebron James
18. Bob Cousy
19. Karl Malone
19. Isaiah Thomas
20. John Havlicek
21. Charles Barkley
22. Kevin Garnett
23. David Robinson
24. Dirk Nowitzki
25. Scottie Pippen



some people on here should learn from it. study it. and see what a real ranking looks like

Kobe being over more accomplished players like Bird, Shaq and probably Duncan.... while West, Oscar, Baylor, Pettit, Malone, Erving who accomplished less than Lebron being over Lebron tells us everything we need to know about who you viciously like and who you viciously dislike, you might aswell remove Lebron completely of your list... and put Kobe at #1.... why not? Bird/Shaq accomplished more than Kobe just like Jordan and so on did.... would be the same logic...

[TheBigVeto]

Dirk Nowitzki

[Mirko Cro Cop]

Dirk

[Freedom Kid7]

Firstly, appreciate the honesty. I'd assume most posters have neglected to discuss why Zeke is a better player than the individuals I mentioned because they don't really have a reason. He's just a favorite player of theirs.

Now to the points you brought up. It certainly can be argued that had Russell not been hurt during the Finals, Pettit wouldn't have won his sole championship. However, his level of performance throughout his career far exceeds anything Zeke ever came close to exhibiting. Pettit has two well deserved MVPs, and would have a FMVP if the award was birthed at the time. I don't see how Isiah even comes close to comparing to be honest.
Good point, not gonna argue there because ultimatly you're probably right here. Pettit was the best player in the NBA before Russell came around, and Zeke while being a great playoff performer and had some memorable PO's, never came close to 'best player'.


David Robinson. True, his shortcomings as the leader of his team are well documented and remembered. But aside from 91(I believe) when Robinson's supporting cast was well in dow, when did he have a supporting cast even close to Zeke's? Put David Robinson on the Pistons and Zeke on the Spurs, and Robinson would have at LEAST two rings, a MVP (which he has), a DPOY (which he has), and a couple FMVPs. Isiah would have ...nothing. Once more, David Robinson has 2 rings, a MVP, and a DPOY. Isiah has 2 rings and a FMVP.
Another good point. I feel that regarding that '95 MVP though, he got raped by Hakeem immediatly after he was awarded it. As much as I wanna discredit it, San Antonio had less than 20 losses that season, so it was deserved.


As for Dirk, it definitely can be debated either way who was the greater individual player All Time, so I won't go into deep detail. I'd be more confident with Dirk as my team's best player than Zeke, and the same goes for Havlicek. But, if you want to argue that Zeke was a much superior defender and passer, while Dirk was simply a greater scorer, you won't get much dissent from me.
Agreed. As I said, a huge part of it is just bias. I like that Detroit team and Isiah. I thought it was cool how he basically had to go through hell before he could win (lost the first round duel to NY in '84, the steal in '87, the ankle in '88). I though him and detroit were all cool 'cuz they dethroned Showtime and the Celtics (albeit after both teams were done with their primes), but I'm just playing the favoritism card here so I'll stop.


this guy i quoted called him a "good player"
I apologize I don't agree with your opinion man. Bob Pettit was an excellent player, but truth be told I really don't have a solid list after 10 (where Kobe is for me).

[WillC]

Bob Pettit.

(Baylor below Malone and Barkley is a joke)

[Deuce Bigalow]

Bob Pettit.

(Baylor below Malone and Barkley is a joke)
How so?
It's not like he has anything that separates him by a huge margin to those guys.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe being over more accomplished players like Bird, Shaq and probably Duncan.... while West, Oscar, Baylor, Pettit, Malone, Erving who accomplished less than Lebron being over Lebron tells us everything we need to know about who you viciously like and who you viciously dislike, you might aswell remove Lebron completely of your list... and put Kobe at #1.... why not? Bird/Shaq accomplished more than Kobe just like Jordan and so on did.... would be the same logic...

shut the pauk up

kobe is more accomplished than bird, shaq and duncan

[BlackVVaves]

shut the pauk up

kobe is more accomplished than bird, shaq and duncan

Bird has 3 MVPs, 3 rings, and 2 FMVPS.

Kobe has 1 MVP, 5 rings, and 2 FMVPs.

Yea, Bird is more "accomplished." Not to mention just a better player than Kobe is altogether.

[ImmortalD24]

Dirk Nowitzki

[DaHeezy]

Isiah Thomas

[miles berg]

Dirk Nowitzki

[TheeBeast]

Dirk Nowitzki

[Rolando]

Hondo

[SonOfMattGeiger]

hondo

[DirtySanchez]

I'm putting Scottie Pippen here

[arifgokcen]

Bob Pettit

[KOBE143]

The Admiral

[BlueandGold]

D. Robinson

[alenleomessi]

drob

[pauk]

Whats the accurate standings so far Deuce? I counted:

Bob Pettit - 13
Dirk Nowitzki - 12
John Havlicek - 9
Isiah Thomas - 6
David Robinson - 4
George Mikan - 2
Scottie Pippen - 1

Very tight race there above..

[pauk]

I feel Rick Barry has a case for this spot to...?

First of all he won a Championship/FMVP with a pathetic supporting cast, literally all just roleplayers and he did that against the best team in the NBA that season the Bullets, they were stacked with all-stars/superstars in Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, Phil Chenier (who? oh just a guy dropping 22-25 ppg most of the time in the playoffs)... Kevin Porter was damn good to (who led the league in assists that year).... and better yet, he SWEPT them...

Was also a 8 x all-star, 6 x all-nba, all-star mvp and won Rookie of the Year... and now to the productions, he was one of the best scorers ever while being a pure shooter... for his career he averaged 25-7-5 and 27-6-4 in the playoffs shooting around 45-39-87...
His best in a season was 36-9-4 followed by 34-9-4 the next season..
His best in the playoffs was 40-10-3...

Under those first 4 playoff runs (46 games) of his he dropped 35-8-4, then 40-10-3, then 34-12-4, then 31-7-4... shooting 46% FT, 41% 3PT, 85% FT

This guy was an animal...

[JMT]

Rick Barry

[Deuce Bigalow]

#20 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

12- Bob Pettit
11- Dirk Nowitzki
8- John Havlicek
5- David Robinson
5- Isiah Thomas
2- George Mikan
1- Scottie pippen
1- Rick Barry