Why is Blake Griffin considered better than Josh Smith

[FreezingTsmoove]

Scoring

Blake Griffin:

Field Goals Made - 533(5th in NBA)
Field Goal % - .541(7th in NBA)
Minutes Played - 2313(6th in NBA)
Offensive Rebounds - 210(T-8th in NBA)
Total Points Scored - 1303(7th most in NBA)


Elite in the paint. Elite athleticism. Decent at best post game.

Horrible free throw shooter, horrible jump shot, not clutch (see 4th quarters of the 2012 playoffs)


Josh Smith:

Field Goals Made - 486(7th in NBA)
Total Rebounds - 613(10th in NBA)
Steals - 91(T-15th in NBA)
Blocks - 115(T-7th in NBA)
Total Points Scored - 1198(10th in NBA)



Elite post up game, Great athleticism, clutch, a leader when Al Horford went down. The Hawks offense runs through him a 28.1 usage rate. Mainly run through his post game

Bad jumper, questionable shot selection, not very efficient this year since Al Horford went down. One of his worse since he didn't have a great center to help him out but still managed to put up .460


Defense:

Josh Smith led the Hawks this season to a borderline top 5 defense while having an injured center rotation all year. While having a healthy Al Horford the Hawks had the best Defense in the league for their 11 game stretch. Fantastic defensive anchor, great shot blocker.

Blake is still a young pup will get better at D. The clippers had a top 15 defense this year with a healthy big man rotation (compared to the Hawks) and all nba defender Chris Paul.

Passing

Josh Smith can operate through the post draw double teams and kick it out. A playmaker. Averaged 4 a game in the regular season nearly 5 in the post season

Blake Griffin: Like Josh Smiths. he commands a double team and can kick it out. His assist stats went down this year and in the playoffs too.


Postseason


Blake Griffin: Young pup was a roubounding choke artist. Was benched in 4th quarters for Reggie Evans and Kenyon Martin

19/7/2.5

Josh Smith: Got injured for a game 3.

17/13.6/5

Stats:

Blake: 21/11/3

Josh: 19/10/4


Look at how close these two are. Yet Josh wasn't even voted an all star, didn't make an all defensive team, wasn't even considered for the Olympics. I know none of you will even consider Josh Smith to be better than Blake Griffin. My point was the to show how good he actually is and how disrespected and unknown he is.

[TMT]

Media

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[mattvNJ]

Media

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this, i hate blake, Josh will get his time so shine i believe. Just needs a better market then atlanta

[Vertical-24]

Because he dunks better.

[fsvr54]

Keep in mind, Josh's knee was hurt all last season.

[outbreak]

One difference is that Blake is still developing where as Smith's probably not going to add much more to his game. Still he is one of the most under rated guys in the league and Blakes hype comes from his dunks. Smith also needs to stop acting like a bone head if he wants to be loved by the media, even though I like him, he's a bit of a douche.

[StroShow4]

Blake Griffin has a much better understanding of his limitations.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://youtu.be/41EFwuBqEUA

[Clippersfan86]

Josh Smith handled the ball WAY more than Griffin this year which is why he had more assists. Last year when Griffin didn't have as much of a ball dominant PG he put up more. Not to mention last year Griffin had more 7+ assist games than ANY non guard player in the NBA besides Iggy and Lebron.

Passing=equal
Scoring=Griffin
Ballhandling=Equal
Athleticism=Griffin
Rebounding=Griffin
Defense=Smith
Intangibles= Griffin
Potential=Griffin
Consistency=Griffin
Efficiency=Griffin

This is why Griffin>Smith. Much younger, only two years so far and already better. Has proven he can be a reliable first scoring option where as Smith thrives as a 3rd option. Higher IQ and plays to his strengths unlike Smith. Smith is a beast but he's NOWHERE near as consistent as Griffin. Griffin is top 3 both years in double doubles and in his rookie year he set the modern day rookie record of consecutive 20 and 10 games and only trailed prime Shaq in general for the streak. Only Elvin Hayes had a better rookie 20/10 streak.

Really not even a close comparison when you really break it down, despite what the raw stats my deceptively show.

[BlackVVaves]

This is actually a pretty good question.

I think Blake has a higher ceiling than Josh Smith, though Smith showed after he got snubbed for the All Star team how great he really can perform when he's motivated enough (or pissed off enough).

But as of right now, yea, I think Josh Smith is the better player overall. I think he's superior enough in his defense alone that I'd take current Josh Smith over current Blake Griffin.

As for why, well, the media of course. If Josh Smith played in LA and Blake in ATL, I'm sure things would be construed a little differently.

If I were to build my franchise around either one, I'd choose Blake Griffin. If I were building a championship team to compete for the title this year and had one more spot open for a starting forward, I'd choose Josh Smith.

[BlackVVaves]

Josh Smith handled the ball WAY more than Griffin this year which is why he had more assists. Last year when Griffin didn't have as much of a ball dominant PG he put up more. Not to mention last year Griffin had more 7+ assist games than ANY non guard player in the NBA besides Iggy and Lebron.

Passing=equal
Scoring=Griffin
Ballhandling=Equal
Athleticism=Griffin
Rebounding=Griffin
Defense=Smith
Intangibles= Griffin
Potential=Griffin
Consistency=Griffin

This is why Griffin>Smith. Much younger, only two years so far and already better. Has proven he can be a reliable first scoring option where as Smith thrives as a 3rd option. Higher IQ and plays to his strengths unlike Smith. Smith is a beast but he's NOWHERE near as consistent as Griffin. Griffin is top 3 both years in double doubles and in his rookie year he set the modern day rookie record of consecutive 20 and 10 games and only trailed prime Shaq in general for the streak. Only Elvin Hayes had a better rookie 20/10 streak.

So, you think overall, at this point of both careers, Blake Griffin is a more complete and better basketball player than Josh Smith?

[fsvr54]

Josh Smith handled the ball WAY more than Griffin this year which is why he had more assists. Last year when Griffin didn't have as much of a ball dominant PG he put up more. Not to mention last year Griffin had more 7+ assist games than ANY non guard player in the NBA besides Iggy and Lebron.

Passing=equal
Scoring=Griffin
Ballhandling=Equal
Athleticism=Griffin
Rebounding=Griffin
Defense=Smith
Intangibles= Griffin
Potential=Griffin
Consistency=Griffin
Efficiency=Griffin

This is why Griffin>Smith. Much younger, only two years so far and already better. Has proven he can be a reliable first scoring option where as Smith thrives as a 3rd option. Higher IQ and plays to his strengths unlike Smith. Smith is a beast but he's NOWHERE near as consistent as Griffin. Griffin is top 3 both years in double doubles and in his rookie year he set the modern day rookie record of consecutive 20 and 10 games and only trailed prime Shaq in general for the streak. Only Elvin Hayes had a better rookie 20/10 streak.

Really not even a close comparison when you really break it down, despite what the raw stats my deceptively show.


Better potential? LOL

I can't wait til this coming season. Smoove will have a carreer year.

[Heavincent]

OP is a...


















nice guy. Fellow Jets fan :cheers:

[Clippersfan86]

So, you think overall, at this point of both careers, Blake Griffin is a more complete and better basketball player than Josh Smith?

I think Smith's huge advantage in defense makes up a lot of ground to where the average Joe can compare them and not look crazy. When you REALLY look at every category and advanced metrics... not to mention potential, consistency, efficiency etc Griffin starts to build a pretty big gap. What's more is Smith is a 9th year vet who's maxed out, Griffin is nowhere near his prime and is still raw.

Smith has proven time and time again that he wants to be a 1st option but isn't good enough. Griffin has no problem scoring 30 points and the ONLY reason he doesn't score 25 now is he's not getting enough touches and post feeds due to the stupidity of Vinny and Chris Paul's failure to feed Griffin in games he was dominating.

[Clippersfan86]

Better potential? LOL

I can't wait til this coming season. Smoove will have a carreer year.

So you think the guy going into his 9th year has more potential than the superstar going into his 3rd? I'm confused :confusedshrug: .

[CavaliersFTW]

I think Smith's huge advantage in defense makes up a lot of ground to where the average Joe can compare them and not look crazy. When you REALLY look at every category and advanced metrics... not to mention potential, consistency, efficiency etc Griffin starts to build a pretty big gap. What's more is Smith is a 9th year vet who's maxed out, Griffin is nowhere near his prime and is still raw.

Smith has proven time and time again that he wants to be a 1st option but isn't good enough. Griffin has no problem scoring 30 points and the ONLY reason he doesn't score 25 now is he's not getting enough touches and post feeds due to the stupidity of Vinny and Chris Paul's failure to feed Griffin in games he was dominating.
Your love for Blake has grown so much that your now throwing C-Flop under the bus in order to prop him up :oldlol:

[Rowe]

Better potential? LOL

I can't wait til this coming season. Smoove will have a carreer year.

:roll:

One guy is 23 following his 2nd NBA season.

Josh Smith on the other hand is entering his 9th NBA season.

How does Smith have more potential than Griffin? Smith might have a better season next year, but Griffin is a player who is on pace to becoming an Elite player in the NBA.

[Rowe]

Your love for Blake has grown so much that your now throwing C-Flop under the bus in order to prop him up :oldlol:

Its quite sad in a way. :confusedshrug:

[CarlosBoozer]

What happened to his bpg? After averaging 2.9 in 2006-2007 it kept getting less and less, any explanations?

[outbreak]

Josh Smith handled the ball WAY more than Griffin this year which is why he had more assists. Last year when Griffin didn't have as much of a ball dominant PG he put up more. Not to mention last year Griffin had more 7+ assist games than ANY non guard player in the NBA besides Iggy and Lebron.

Passing=equal
Scoring=Griffin
Ballhandling=Equal
Athleticism=Griffin
Rebounding=Griffin
Defense=Smith
Intangibles= Griffin
Potential=Griffin
Consistency=Griffin
Efficiency=Griffin

This is why Griffin>Smith. Much younger, only two years so far and already better. Has proven he can be a reliable first scoring option where as Smith thrives as a 3rd option. Higher IQ and plays to his strengths unlike Smith. Smith is a beast but he's NOWHERE near as consistent as Griffin. Griffin is top 3 both years in double doubles and in his rookie year he set the modern day rookie record of consecutive 20 and 10 games and only trailed prime Shaq in general for the streak. Only Elvin Hayes had a better rookie 20/10 streak.

Really not even a close comparison when you really break it down, despite what the raw stats my deceptively show.

How many times a night does Blake let you lick his bum?

[Clippersfan86]

Your love for Blake has grown so much that your now throwing C-Flop under the bus in order to prop him up :oldlol:

You and Rowe obviously didn't watch the Clippers last year. Paul was EASILY the most valuable and best player to the Clippers and was INCREDIBLE. That being said he failed to utilize Griffin the way Davis did and after the season said his biggest mistake this year was not involving Griffin enough.

If you watched the games you'd see that Paul often holds the ball 20 seconds then makes a play. That works fine but when you have the top paint scorer in the NBA you should be feeding him the ball a lot more than he did last year. When Paul dumped the ball to Griffin a lot, Griffin delivered. Often times Paul would go to him early and Griffin would have 15+ points by the half, then Paul wouldn't go to him hardly at all in the second half.

Griffin deserves some blame for that due to his shitty screen setting but CP3 absolutely fell short when it comes to utilizing Griffin and anybody that watched the Clippers knows this.

[RaininTwos]

:roll:

One guy is 23 following his 2nd NBA season.

Josh Smith on the other hand is entering his 9th NBA season.

How does Smith have more potential than Griffin? Smith might have a better season next year, but Griffin is a player who is on pace to becoming an Elite player in the NBA.
Smith is also on pace to being an elite player in the league. After the All-Star break, Smith went on a tear. Scoring like 24 PPG while being a DPOY candidate.

People really sleep on this guy because he has a streaky jump shot.

Griffin isn't even on Smith's level and I don't mean that as a slight on Griffin, he's a good player but definitely overrated. The Media machine is certainly hyping him and everyone here should know that especially after his infamous dunk contest/car commercial heist.

Smith played better than most PF's last year, him and Garnett finished the strongest to my recollection Smith had a fantastic year. Shame he didn't play in the All-Star game.

[CavaliersFTW]

Smith is also on pace to being an elite player in the league. After the All-Star break, Smith went on a tear. Scoring like 24 PPG while being a DPOY candidate.

People really sleep on this guy because he has a streaky jump shot.

Griffin isn't even on Smith's level and I don't mean that as a slight on Griffin, he's a good player but definitely overrated. The Media machine is certainly hyping him and everyone here should know that especially after his infamous dunk contest/car commercial heist.

Smith played better than most PF's last year, him and Garnett finished the strongest to my recollection Smith had a fantastic year. Shame he didn't play in the All-Star game.
KIA :facepalm

[fsvr54]

What happened to his bpg? After averaging 2.9 in 2006-2007 it kept getting less and less, any explanations?

Knee problems last year

[BlackVVaves]

I think Smith's huge advantage in defense makes up a lot of ground to where the average Joe can compare them and not look crazy. When you REALLY look at every category and advanced metrics... not to mention potential, consistency, efficiency etc Griffin starts to build a pretty big gap. What's more is Smith is a 9th year vet who's maxed out, Griffin is nowhere near his prime and is still raw.

Smith has proven time and time again that he wants to be a 1st option but isn't good enough. Griffin has no problem scoring 30 points and the ONLY reason he doesn't score 25 now is he's not getting enough touches and post feeds due to the stupidity of Vinny and Chris Paul's failure to feed Griffin in games he was dominating.

But you didn't answer the question :hammerhead:

You would take Blake Griffin over Josh Smith right now, this second, if you could complete a championship roster and only had one space available, and one year to win?

I'm sorry, I'm taking the guy that last year scored 2 points less than Blake, 1 rebound less than Blake, but will provide elite, elite, elite defense to my team.

Both are liabilities at the free throw line, though Blake is just atrocious at the charity stripe. But, when you're a liability on defense too? :no:

Don't get me wrong. I'd bulid my franchise around Blake Griffin first, and think he will have a more successful career if healthy. But, if the question is who do I select for my team, I'm taking Josh Smith right now, at this moment.. I think he's an overall more complete player right now.

[BGriffin's Dad]

Griffin: 21.7 / 11.5 / 3.5 on 52.4%
Smith: 15.1 / 7.9 / 3.1 on 46.4%

let me know when Smith has a season where he finally breaks 20 ppg and 10 rpg.. something Griffin did his first (and second) year

[Clippersfan86]

But you didn't answer the question :hammerhead:

You would take Blake Griffin over Josh Smith right now, this second, if you could complete a championship roster and only had one space available, and one year to win?

I'm sorry, I'm taking the guy that last year scored 2 points less than Blake, 1 rebound less than Blake, but will provide elite, elite, elite defense to my team.

Both are liabilities at the free throw line, though Blake is just atrocious at the charity stripe. But, when you're a liability on defense too? :no:

Don't get me wrong. I'd bulid my franchise around Blake Griffin first, and think he will have a more successful career if healthy. But, if the question is who do I select for my team, I'm taking Josh Smith right now, at this moment.. I think he's an overall more complete player right now.

Depends on the composition of my team who i take obviously. If I have reliable stars to score I take Smith because of his defense. If I need a go to scorer and a franchise player I take Griffin. That has nothing to do with who the better player is right now though because it's clearly Griffin. Every publication that ranked players the last two years had Griffin significantly ahead of Smith not to mention it's pretty obvious just from watching who is in general better. Smith may have incredible all around games once in a while where he fills a stat sheet better but he's far more inconsistent. Griffin is a guaranteed, steady 20/10 and 3 player.

[FreezingTsmoove]

If you obvious Clipper ph@gotts read my thread I said the point of it was to show how equal they are and how underrated Smoove is.

Also to Bgriffs dad if Smoove didn't play any defense and flopped 5 times a game like Griff he would have more energy to score and rebound thus him being a stat sheet stuffer like Klove and Griff.

[BGriffin's Dad]

Griffin: 21.7 / 11.5 / 3.5 on 52.4%
Smith: 15.1 / 7.9 / 3.1 on 46.4%

let me know when Smith has a season where he finally breaks 20 ppg and 10 rpg.. something Griffin did his first (and second) year

and if career averages don't make the difference clear...

Griffin's worst season: 20.7 / 10.9 / 3.2 on 54.9%
Smith's best season: 18.8 / 9.6 / 3.9 on 45.8%

[IGotACoolStory]

In fairness, Smith is only 26 and clearly made an improvement in his game from the season before last and last season. So that ninth season title doesn't hold as much weight as it would if he had gone to college in terms of room for growth. Also next season will undoubtedly be his team with all the departures.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Griffin: 21.7 / 11.5 / 3.5 on 52.4%
Smith: 15.1 / 7.9 / 3.1 on 46.4%

let me know when Smith has a season where he finally breaks 20 ppg and 10 rpg.. something Griffin did his first (and second) year


Are you educated at all about basketball? Are you really going to show career stats of a kid that game into the league at 18? :oldlol:

Also with that being said stats stats stats stats. Is that your only argument?

[senelcoolidge]

I would not trust Smith. Inconsistent and shooting those 3's:facepalm ...that has to be infuriating for a coach.
Clippersfan has a point that CP3 didn't fully utilize Griffin many times. I don't know why they would go to him early..and he would put up double figures with ease..and than they stop going to him all together. But even with less touches he was a team guy and plays within his current limitations.
The whole flopping deal is overdone by the haters.

[EnoughSaid]

Ask any NBA coach on who'd they rather have on their team. The flopping, shitty ass defender who "sometimes" has good games? Or the amazing defender and better all-around player?

[BGriffin's Dad]

Are you educated at all about basketball? Are you really going to show career stats of a kid that game into the league at 18? :oldlol:

which of Smith's seasons would you like me to conveniently exclude from his career average? because none of them even compare to Griffin's in his short 2 years


Also with that being said stats stats stats stats. Is that your only argument?

not at all, accolades show the difference too

Griffin
ROTY: Yes
All-Rookie First Team: Yes
All-Star Selections: 2 for 2
All-NBA Second Team

Smith
ROTY: No
All-Rookie First Team: No
All-Star Selections: 0 for 8
All-NBA Teams: None

[RaininTwos]

I would not trust Smith. Inconsistent and shooting those 3's:facepalm ...that has to be infuriating for a coach.
Clippersfan has a point that CP3 didn't fully utilize Griffin many times. I don't know why they would go to him early..and he would put up double figures with ease..and than they stop going to him all together. But even with less touches he was a team guy and plays within his current limitations.
The whole flopping deal is overdone by the haters.

Clipperfan has no point what so ever. Using that CP3 excuse makes Smith look even better since that he had an extremely ISO, dribble happy SG in Joe Johnson and an inexperienced PG in Jeff Teague to work with. I can't even imagine what Smith would do if he had a PG that good.

[Clippersfan86]

Clipperfan has no point what so ever. Using that CP3 excuse makes Smith look even better since that he had an extremely ISO, dribble happy SG in Joe Johnson and an inexperienced PG in Jeff Teague to work with. I can't even imagine what Smith would do if he had a PG that good.

LOL. CP3 is the most ball dominant player in the entire NBA... Joe Johnson is nothing in that comparison. CP3 pretty much has the ball in his hands for 20 seconds of every shotclock. CP3 opens the floor a bit for Griffin but that doesn't do anything if he's not feeding him more. Griffin's usage, touches, shots were all down last year with CP3 on the team from the previous year. That has to do with more all around talent on team but the biggest cause is CP3.

Consistency+efficiency+raw numbers make Griffin the better player.

[FreezingTsmoove]

which of Smith's seasons would you like me to conveniently exclude from his career average? because none of them even compare to Griffin's in his short 2 years



not at all, accolades show the difference too

Griffin
ROTY: Yes
All-Rookie First Team: Yes
All-Star Selections: 2 for 2
All-NBA Second Team

Smith
ROTY: No
All-Rookie First Team: No
All-Star Selections: 0 for 8
All-NBA Teams: None


Did you even read my thread?! I said this thread was made to show how unknown and underrated Josh Smith is by everyone! Josh Smith was 18 when he came into the league what does his rookie season have to do with anything.

This comparison is right now. Right now who is the better player. Go back and actually read my thread you obvious retard.

Also oh shit Blake Griffin averaged 2 more points and .9 more rebounds he is so much more elite and Jsmoove is so garbage ROY first team all star !

[Clippersfan86]

Ask any NBA coach on who'd they rather have on their team. The flopping, shitty ass defender who "sometimes" has good games? Or the amazing defender and better all-around player?

Sometimes good games is having the longest 20/10 streak since prime Shaq? Being the only player to average 20/10/3 in any stats the last two years? Hmmmmm... :coleman:

[Clippersfan86]

Did you even read my thread?! I said this thread was made to show how unknown and underrated Josh Smith is by everyone! Josh Smith was 18 when he came into the league what does his rookie season have to do with anything.

This comparison is right now. Right now who is the better player. Go back and actually read my thread you obvious retard.

Also oh shit Blake Griffin averaged 2 more points and .9 more rebounds he is so much more elite and Jsmoove is so garbage ROY first team all star !

If your point was that Smith is underrated, obviously you have a great point. Trying to throw Griffin under the bus and jump on the Griffin hate wagon though is what hung you up and made you look stupid. Could have just made a thread about how underrated Smith was :no: . Besides 2 ppg more, 1 rpg more and much more efficient and consistent is a huge deal. Besides Griffin has more room to grow.

Griffin got All NBA 2nd team in his 2nd year... and has been an all star both years. How many players accomplish that? He's becoming more underrated than Smith around here.

[CavaliersFTW]

If your point was that Smith is underrated, obviously you have a great point. Trying to throw Griffin under the bus and jump on the Griffin hate wagon though is what hung you up and made you look stupid. Could have just made a thread about how underrated Smith was :no: . Besides 2 ppg more, 1 rpg more and much more efficient and consistent is a huge deal. Besides Griffin has more room to grow.

Griffin got All NBA 2nd team in his 2nd year... and has been an all star both years. How many players accomplish that? He's becoming more underrated than Smith around here.
Because he could dunk and was popular with fans. Not because he is as good as Smith. Smith is a better more complete player by far. Blake is 1 dimensional. Not only can he not play defense but he also is limited to dunking on offense. Thats as narrow of a skillset as it possibly gets. Kid needs to learn how to play the game before his knees blow out. Disgustingly overrated, I'll take Smith instead. Next.

[CTulc]

Ask CP3 who he would rather have... Josh Smith.

Smith has those intangibles and doesn't act like
A bully.

Griffin is fragile physically and mentally.

[Clippersfan86]

Because he could dunk and was popular with fans. Not because he is as good as Smith. Smith is a better more complete player by far. Blake is 1 dimensional. Not only can he not play defense but he also is limited to dunking on offense. Thats as narrow of a skillset as it possibly gets. Kid needs to learn how to play the game before his knees blow out. Disgustingly overrated, I'll take Smith instead. Next.

Fail to make a point as always then say next like it means something? Just stick to making great videos and stop trying to bait Clippers fans (primarily me).

[fsvr54]

Josh Smith doing it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xymyy-CHjY

[chips93]

Because he could dunk and was popular with fans.

he got voted in by coaches in his first year

[ILLsmak]

Blake Griffin has a much better understanding of his limitations.

yeah, dunno why people are so mad at Blake. His finishing ability is amazing... he has a really soft touch around the rim. He'll get better.

-Smak

[RazorBaLade]

easy way to put players in context

josh smith joins the lakers for pau


blake griffin traded to lakers for pau


think about which one is crazier

[Reverend Hoops]

this, i hate blake, Josh will get his time so shine i believe. Just needs a better market then atlanta

This is when you know competitive balance is at an all-time low. If it is not LA or NY it is not a good market.:lol

[CavaliersFTW]

Fail to make a point as always then say next like it means something? Just stick to making great videos and stop trying to bait Clippers fans (primarily me).
:lol

[BGriffin's Dad]

This comparison is right now.

2011-12 season:

Griffin
Averages: 20.7 PPG, 10.9 RPG, 3.2 APG on 54.9% FG
Double-doubles: 41
Total Points: 1,368
Total Rebounds: 717
Total Assists: 120
Awards: All-Star, All-NBA 2nd

Smith
Averages: 18.8 PPG, 9.6 PPG, 3.9 APG on 45.8% FG
Double-doubles: 28
Total Points: 1,239
Total Rebounds: 632
Total Assists: 257
Awards: none

i'll gladly compare Blake at any age in the NBA to Josh at any age.. Blake's the better player

[Clippersfan86]

2011-12 season:

Griffin
Averages: 20.7 PPG, 10.9 RPG, 3.2 APG on 54.9% FG
Double-doubles: 41
Total Points: 1,368
Total Rebounds: 717
Total Assists: 120
Awards: All-Star, All-NBA 2nd

Smith
Averages: 18.8 PPG, 9.6 PPG, 3.9 APG on 45.8% FG
Double-doubles: 28
Total Points: 1,239
Total Rebounds: 632
Total Assists: 257
Awards: none

i'll gladly compare Blake at any age in the NBA to Josh at any age.. Blake's the better player

Thanks for the exact numbers. Look at the double double difference and you'll see why I said there is a big gap in consistency. Then look at their efficiency where for most of his career Smith has been pretty inefficient. Both in where he takes shots and his conversion.

[BlackVVaves]

Thanks for the exact numbers. Look at the double double difference and you'll see why I said there is a big gap in consistency. Then look at their efficiency where for most of his career Smith has been pretty inefficient. Both in where he takes shots and his conversion.

I definitely agree with you there. Smith has been very inconsistent throughout his career, which seems to be a habit of Hawks players. JJ for instance, he'll hit a game winner for you Tuesday, and then for go 4-11 on Thursday. :wtf:

Griffin is far more efficient, though I think if Smith relinquished all those long range jumpers from his arsenal, he'd be north of 50% as well.

[FreezingTsmoove]

2011-12 season:

Griffin
Averages: 20.7 PPG, 10.9 RPG, 3.2 APG on 54.9% FG
Double-doubles: 41
Total Points: 1,368
Total Rebounds: 717
Total Assists: 120
Awards: All-Star, All-NBA 2nd

Smith
Averages: 18.8 PPG, 9.6 PPG, 3.9 APG on 45.8% FG
Double-doubles: 28
Total Points: 1,239
Total Rebounds: 632
Total Assists: 257
Awards: none

i'll gladly compare Blake at any age in the NBA to Josh at any age.. Blake's the better player

Basically the same stats but Josh Smith plays elite defense. But Blake is so much better :rolleyes: What about in the clutch? You know where Blake has to be benched for Reggie Evans. Its been 2 yrs why hasn't Blake hit a game winner?

What about the playoffs? Why don't you compare the stats there? What happened at Game 7 where Blake was benched in the 4th for Reggie Evans. Stats show Blake grabs more rebounds but what happended in the playoffs where Josh Smith doubled Blakes rebounding?

If Blake is so much better than Josh what happended in the playoffs Bgriffs dad?

Compare Josh Smith in the post season to Blakes in the post season. You did say you'll gladly do it :D

[Clippersfan86]

Basically the same stats but Josh Smith plays elite defense. But Blake is so much better :rolleyes: What about in the clutch? You know where Blake has to be benched for Reggie Evans. Its been 2 yrs why hasn't Blake hit a game winner?

What about the playoffs? Why don't you compare the stats there? What happened at Game 7 where Blake was benched in the 4th for Reggie Evans. Stats show Blake grabs more rebounds but what happended in the playoffs where Josh Smith doubled Blakes rebounding?

If Blake is so much better than Josh what happended in the playoffs Bgriffs dad?

Compare Josh Smith in the post season to Blakes in the post season. You did say you'll gladly do it :D

Josh Smith had the best playoff run of his career while Griffin had his FIRST playoff experience vs significantly better, more physical teams. If Josh Smith played the Grizzlies and Spurs he'd surely have struggled more.

[Whoah10115]

Don't know if it's been said (reading is too much work) but I'll just say:



Griffin has a higher ceiling and a greater offensive force. Also, he has the points are very noticeable.

[senelcoolidge]

Basically the same stats but Josh Smith plays elite defense. But Blake is so much better :rolleyes: What about in the clutch? You know where Blake has to be benched for Reggie Evans. Its been 2 yrs why hasn't Blake hit a game winner?

What about the playoffs? Why don't you compare the stats there? What happened at Game 7 where Blake was benched in the 4th for Reggie Evans. Stats show Blake grabs more rebounds but what happended in the playoffs where Josh Smith doubled Blakes rebounding?

If Blake is so much better than Josh what happended in the playoffs Bgriffs dad?

Compare Josh Smith in the post season to Blakes in the post season. You did say you'll gladly do it :D

You realize Blake was hurt in that game. He was limping up and down the court. It was a good call to take him out and put in Reggie. He's hit some clutch shots and free throws in his young career. More to come I'm sure. Smith is known to have a walnut as a brain. He takes some of the worst shots possible.

[noosaman]

Because he's a better player. Josh Smith is a tweener and isn't a difference maker on either side of the floor, at the end of the day. Griffin is getting 25 ppg right now on pure athleticism, just imagine what he will do when he develops his game more.

[Al Thornton]

easy way to put players in context

josh smith joins the lakers for pau


blake griffin traded to lakers for pau


think about which one is crazier

^ very intelligent and simple post

[Rubio2Gasol]

Griffin is not better than Smith.

Smith is a top 5 defensive player in the league and has a more complete scoring game and is a much better pass

[blacknapalm]

people know that i've criticized blake in the past. i'd venture to say most of my arguments are with embattled, homer-centric clippers fans but i digress. those people love to label me as a 'hater' but i always thought i gave clear reasons why i thought griffin wasn't potentially top 3 in PFs.

that said, griffin > smith. i've also said that smith is an overrated defender (to the point, i didn't even want to trade him for gasol). he helps out way too much and gets out of position. he doesn't quickly find his man in transition. he is good at closing out. that doesn't mean griffin is a good defender, far from it....i'm just saying smith's D is overrated.

griffin scores far more in the paint and commands more double teams. smith settles for way too many damn jumpers. P&R? not close. griffin murders him there. now, you could say that has to do with the coach or blake playing with cp3, but i'd still give blake the advantage even before cp3. let's not act like smith has some refined post-game. simply put, the gap griffin holds on offense is more impactful than the gap smith holds on defense since he scores more and with better efficiency (all the while, getting more doubles).

there's obvious holes in blake's game (footwork, shooting, should be able to draw more fouls), but i'd still consider him in the top 5 PF's. i can't really say the same for smith since it goes something like this...

1) love
2) aldridge
3) griffin
4) z-bo
5) gasol

some of those are interchangeable a bit but that's how i feel currently

[noosaman]

people know that i've criticized blake in the past. i'd venture to say most of my arguments are with embattled, homer-centric clippers fans but i digress. those people love to label me as a 'hater' but i always thought i gave clear reasons why i thought griffin wasn't potentially top 3 in PFs.

that said, griffin > smith. i've also said that smith is an overrated defender (to the point, i didn't even want to trade him for gasol). he helps out way too much and gets out of position. he doesn't quickly find his man in transition. he is good at closing out. that doesn't mean griffin is a good defender, far from it....i'm just saying smith's D is overrated.

griffin scores far more in the paint and commands more double teams. smith settles for way too many damn jumpers. P&R? not close. griffin murders him there. now, you could say that has to do with the coach or blake playing with cp3, but i'd still give blake the advantage even before cp3. let's not act like smith has some refined post-game. simply put, the gap griffin holds on offense is more impactful than the gap smith holds on defense since he scores more and with better efficiency (all the while, getting more doubles).

there's obvious holes in blake's game (footwork, shooting, should be able to draw more fouls), but i'd still consider him in the top 5 PF's. i can't really say the same for smith since it goes something like this...

1) love
2) aldridge
3) griffin
4) z-bo
5) gasol

some of those are interchangeable a bit but that's how i feel currently

does Dirk not exist?

[blacknapalm]

does Dirk not exist?

that's why i suck with rankings without a list in front of me :oldlol:

ya, he'd be anywhere between #3-5. age is a factor. same reason gasol is #5 even though he's arguably the most skilled/versatile PF on that list

anyway, main thing is...smith isn't in the top 5. this isn't a fantasy league where he'd probably be the 2nd/3rd PF pulled.

[noosaman]

that's why i suck with rankings without a list in front of me :oldlol:

ya, he'd be anywhere between #3-5. age is a factor. same reason gasol is #5 even though he's arguably the most skilled/versatile PF on that list

anyway, main thing is...smith isn't in the top 5. this isn't a fantasy league where he'd probably be the 2nd/3rd PF pulled.

What? Even in a down year he's still the clearly best PF. That said I know it's not really relevant to this thread.

[SyRyanYang]

Hawks suck. Period.

[CeltsGarlic]

Josh smith has an elite post game?
I dont see what you did there.

[RazorBaLade]

^ very intelligent and simple post

thank you

[Clippersfan86]

people know that i've criticized blake in the past. i'd venture to say most of my arguments are with embattled, homer-centric clippers fans but i digress. those people love to label me as a 'hater' but i always thought i gave clear reasons why i thought griffin wasn't potentially top 3 in PFs.

that said, griffin > smith. i've also said that smith is an overrated defender (to the point, i didn't even want to trade him for gasol). he helps out way too much and gets out of position. he doesn't quickly find his man in transition. he is good at closing out. that doesn't mean griffin is a good defender, far from it....i'm just saying smith's D is overrated.

griffin scores far more in the paint and commands more double teams. smith settles for way too many damn jumpers. P&R? not close. griffin murders him there. now, you could say that has to do with the coach or blake playing with cp3, but i'd still give blake the advantage even before cp3. let's not act like smith has some refined post-game. simply put, the gap griffin holds on offense is more impactful than the gap smith holds on defense since he scores more and with better efficiency (all the while, getting more doubles).

there's obvious holes in blake's game (footwork, shooting, should be able to draw more fouls), but i'd still consider him in the top 5 PF's. i can't really say the same for smith since it goes something like this...

1) love
2) aldridge
3) griffin
4) z-bo
5) gasol

some of those are interchangeable a bit but that's how i feel currently

:applause:. Swap Dirk for Zbo and that's a perfect post.

[Raz]

Passing=equal
Scoring=Griffin
Ballhandling=Equal
Athleticism=Griffin
Rebounding=Griffin
Defense=Smith
Intangibles= Griffin
Potential=Griffin
Consistency=Griffin
Efficiency=Griffin


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Man, thanks for making my Tuesday morning! :cheers: Elite humour!

[Clippersfan86]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Man, thanks for making my Tuesday morning! :cheers: Elite humour!

Griffin had twice the double doubles just about and is far more consistent. Griffin also is the more efficient player where as Smith has been one of the most INEFFICIENT PF's for his career. Griffin has a CAREER rebounding average of 11.5 rpg so far so not sure what's funny considering Smith's career best is 9.6 rpg and puts up 8 rpg career. Griffin is an equal passer and if you watched him play more you'd see he's one of the absolute best passing bigmen in the game right now. Ballhandling is also something you'd have to actually you know... watch basketball to see.

Intangibles for a bigman? That's being a great leader and teammate. Having an outstanding work ethic. Knowing your limitations, strengths and weaknesses. Griffin has Smith beat quite handily in this regard.

In otherwords thank YOU for giving me my morning laughter for disputing obvious facts and making yourself look like a tard in the process. You definitely brought a knife to a gunfight on this one with your lack of basic knowledge of the Clippers and the player you spend so much time trying to bring down.

[Raz]

Griffin is like the retarded version of Charles Barkley with about 10% of his talent.

If Griffin is so great, why did the Clippers suck so much in his rookie year?
Why can't he hit jumpshots consistently?
Why is he allergic to defense?
Why does he make such stupid turnovers?

I bet if Chris Paul was the GM of the Clippers he'd take Smith over Griffin in a heartbeat. All Griffin has going for him is potential. I'd rather have Smith, who stepped up BIG TIME in the playoffs. Griffin faded, and had his minutes stolen by Reggie Evans and Kenyon Martin.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MiseryCityTexas]

that would be some shit right there if josh joined blake in clipper land. dunks galore.:rockon:

[Raz]

that would be some shit right there if josh joined blake in clipper land. dunks galore.:rockon:

Griffin would be a top five 6th man candidate

[mattvNJ]

:applause:. Swap Dirk for Zbo and that's a perfect post.


anyone that agrees with you and your crazy agenda to make every one like the clippers is probably the perfect post:rolleyes:

homer... id rather take a guy who plays very consistent and solid defense, with SLIGHTLY less impressive stats any day. Also the humility smith has over blakes arrogant attitude flopping all over the place any day

[Raz]

anyone that agrees with you and your crazy agenda to make every one like the clippers is probably the perfect post:rolleyes:

homer...


You don't know anything!

DeAndre Jordan = Top 5 center
Blake Griffin = GOAT power forward
Caron Butler = Top 5 small forward
Chauncey Billups = GOAT leader
Chris Paul = GOAT point guard
Clippers bench = GOAT bench

[CavaliersFTW]

You don't know anything!

DeAndre Jordan = Top 5 center
Blake Griffin = GOAT power forward
Caron Butler = Top 5 small forward
Chauncey Billups = GOAT leader
Chris Paul = GOAT point guard
Clippers bench = GOAT bench

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Clips will defend his stance with a religious ferver... til one of them gets traded

[Raz]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Clips will defend his stance with a religious ferver... til one of them gets traded

That's right, Eric Bledsoe is the next best thing right now, but if he gets traded it's good riddance to hot garbage.

He bad mouths Reggie Evans and Kenyon Martin now.

I'm a Celtics fan, and I'd never bad mouth Ray, heck, I even have a soft spot for Rick Fox and he left us for the Lakers.

[marion706]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zqhvBc_NO4&feature=related > Griffin

[FreezingTsmoove]

Because he's a better player. Josh Smith is a tweener and isn't a difference maker on either side of the floor, at the end of the day. Griffin is getting 25 ppg right now on pure athleticism, just imagine what he will do when he develops his game more.


This has got to be the most retarded thing I have ever read on this site. I hope your just a troll. Your a retard. Negged

:wtf:

I'm guessing you didn't read anything I wrote.

[FreezingTsmoove]

[QUOTE=CeltsGarlic]Josh smith has an elite post game?
I dont see what you did there.[/QUOT

The Hawks rely on Josh Smith for their offense to run through the post. Kick it out or 1 on 1 in the post. He commands a double team. I guess not elite but the Hawks aren't the same without it

[FreezingTsmoove]

You realize Blake was hurt in that game. He was limping up and down the court. It was a good call to take him out and put in Reggie. He's hit some clutch shots and free throws in his young career. More to come I'm sure. Smith is known to have a walnut as a brain. He takes some of the worst shots possible.


Josh Smith was so banged up he had to miss a game. As far as I see it they were both equally injured.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Josh Smith had the best playoff run of his career while Griffin had his FIRST playoff experience vs significantly better, more physical teams. If Josh Smith played the Grizzlies and Spurs he'd surely have struggled more.

This thread isn't about potential it's about who's better now. By yours and Bgriffs dads logic Kobe is currently better than Lebron because of his career averages and what he did 3 yrs ago.

[REACTION]

I would expect Smith going into his 9th NBA season to be a more developed player than Griffin going into his 3rd NBA season. Not sure it's a useful comparison though, unless you're comparing at equal number of seasons played or at least equal age.

[Raz]

I would expect Smith going into his 9th NBA season to be a more developed player than Griffin going into his 3rd NBA season. Not sure it's a useful comparison though, unless you're comparing at equal number of seasons played or at least equal age.

Some players never improve, that could be Griffin. Therefore, the comparison is valid.

[REACTION]

Some players never improve, that could be Griffin. Therefore, the comparison is valid.

On the off chance that he never improves? I don't think that makes it a good comparison.

[CavaliersFTW]

Some players never improve, that could be Griffin. Therefore, the comparison is valid.
This. - and anyways we're comparing who is better right now. Right now Smith >>> Griffin.

[REACTION]

This. - we're comparing who is better right now. Right now Smith >>> Griffin.

I know. I'm just saying. One has played 8 seasons, the other 2. That's a sizable difference.

But I'd agree that 8th season Smith is a better overall player than 2nd season Griffin.

[senelcoolidge]

Some players never improve, that could be Griffin. Therefore, the comparison is valid.

You and some of the other chicks here obviously don't like Griffin and will put the guy down for anything. It's ok. You can think whatever you want. Smith is who he is and will not improve anymore. He will continue to be inconsistent and inefficient. Griffin going into his third season will improve. He improved from year 1 to 2 and is a guy that works hard. A total game doesn't come over night. It comes through hard work and time. In his rookie year (1) he was a rookie, (2) they had a new coach, (3) lots of new players..foye, gomes, aminu, bledsoe, etc and (4) lots of injuries. So it was not an ingredient for success. By year 9 let's see where Griffin will be at. I'd say Smith who?

[Raz]

Griffin going into his third season will improve. He improved from year 1 to 2 and is a guy that works hard. A total game doesn't come over night. It comes through hard work and time. In his rookie year (1) he was a rookie, (2) they had a new coach, (3) lots of new players..foye, gomes, aminu, bledsoe, etc and (4) lots of injuries. So it was not an ingredient for success.

You seem adamant that he will improve. Do you know him/ You been hanging out with him and DeAndre "Hard worker" Jordan? I didn't see any improvement from season 1 to season 2.

The guy is a lazy bum and doesn't have what it takes to be a big time player. He's all flash and flop.

It sounds like you just made a lot of excuses for rookie Griffin, I see no reason why a 20 and 10 rookie big couldn't turn that Clippers team into a playoff team. Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Larry Johnson, Alonzo Mourning, David Robinson, Brad Daugherty and quite a few others. These are guys that impact their teams and help their teams to more victories. Griffin puts up empty stats, without Chris Paul he'd be back in the lottery. I bet Chris Paul wishes he had a solid number 2 so he could have a sniff at the WCF.



By year 9 let's see where Griffin will be at.

He'll be out of the league, because he throws his body around like an idiot and he has no skill to fall back on when the athleticism is gone.

[dunksby]

Better comparison would be Blake to Reggie Evans or Kenyon Martin.

[wang4three]

Blake is a more traditional forward that averages stats that are more regarded. He's also better with media. Josh on the other hand is a tweener forward with all-around skills. He doesn't really excel at one thing and he doesn't seem affable and likeable like Griffin.

That's probably why. I like Josh more though. His all around talent plus steller defense is much more important than Blake's 20/10 but bad defense. They're close and I can see arguments for both. But I just can't deny that Josh can anchor a defense and play D on like 3-4 positions.

[Raz]

But I just can't deny that Josh can anchor a defense and play D on like 3-4 positions.

Smith is extremely gifted, I'd give up anyone on the Celtics not named Rondo for him.

[upside24]

Not a fan of Blake as a person or player but he is better IMO than Smith. Blake is offensively limited and a poor defender but these are things that he can work on. When I think of Smith I think of the 2010-2011 playoffs where everytime he took a jumpshot in Atlanta you could hear the crowd groaning.

[CarpeDiemKid]

He is considered better because he dunks and gets twitter rilled up. Also being on an LA team helps with exposure. If you swapped the two last year do the Hawks make the playoffs with Blake? I don't think they do. Imagine Blake being your primary stopper. The Clippers with Josh on the other hand are just as dangerous if not more. Josh and Deandre next to each other would be an all out block party. With Josh being a primary option this season I see a big jump in numbers coming. He was a monster when ISO Joe was out last season. Crazy Stat lines.

And I don't care how many people Blake posterizes. Holler at me when he booms all over the league leading shot blocker like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWm9OqvNrtE
If that dunk was Blake it would have gotten more coverage than the Mozgov dunk.

[Clippersfan86]

He is considered better because he dunks and gets twitter rilled up. Also being on an LA team helps with exposure. If you swapped the two last year do the Hawks make the playoffs with Blake? I don't think they do. Imagine Blake being your primary stopper. The Clippers with Josh on the other hand are just as dangerous if not more. Josh and Deandre next to each other would be an all out block party. With Josh being a primary option this season I see a big jump in numbers coming. He was a monster when ISO Joe was out last season. Crazy Stat lines.

And I don't care how many people Blake posterizes. Holler at me when he booms all over the league leading shot blocker like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWm9OqvNrtE
If that dunk was Blake it would have gotten more coverage than the Mozgov dunk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFTsXII07Ck

Blake Griffin over the NBA's best shotblocker with a poster :coleman: .

[RRR3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFTsXII07Ck

Blake Griffin over the NBA's best shotblocker with a poster :coleman: .
J-Smoove's>>>>>

[CarpeDiemKid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFTsXII07Ck

Blake Griffin over the NBA's best shotblocker with a poster :coleman: .
Kudos. Still not better than JSmooves. Ibaka was flat footed after rolling to protect against CP3. In Josh's he takes his two steps and trys to square it up only to get destroyed.

[Clippersfan86]

I didn't say it was better. You said it like Griffin doesn't posterize the elite shotblockers. Griffin already has a sicker dunk mix after 2 years than Smith in 8 so you really don't want to compare their dunking.

[CarpeDiemKid]

And lets not forget to mention durability. Blake is just another knee injury away from being obsolete.

[CarpeDiemKid]

I didn't say it was better. You said it like Griffin doesn't posterize the elite shotblockers. Griffin already has a sicker dunk mix after 2 years than Smith in 8 so you really don't want to compare their dunking.

Nor did I discredit your statement. I gave you props and said I preferred Josh's.

As far as the dunk argument. Closer than you think. Power dunks. Blake wins hands down. But total package give me Josh. He had a hands down better dunk contest. More variety within in game dunks and it looks much better IMO coming from the left side. Something SMOOVE to it.

[Raz]

He is considered better because he dunks and gets twitter rilled up. Also being on an LA team helps with exposure. If you swapped the two last year do the Hawks make the playoffs with Blake? I don't think they do. Imagine Blake being your primary stopper. The Clippers with Josh on the other hand are just as dangerous if not more. Josh and Deandre next to each other would be an all out block party. With Josh being a primary option this season I see a big jump in numbers coming. He was a monster when ISO Joe was out last season. Crazy Stat lines.


This.

:applause:

I don't know why it's so hard for clippsfan to admit that his boyhood fantasy is just that, a fantasy player.

I will rep.

[noosaman]

Josh Smith getting incredibly overrated. This dude was on an extremely talented if not stacked Hawks team for years and could never win more than a single playoffs series. Bottom line is he a 3/4 tweener which is the one the least desirable qualities in the NBA.

[noosaman]

:applause:. Swap Dirk for Zbo and that's a perfect post.

lol man, Dirk on one leg is still easily the league's best PF until the day he retires.

[Clippersfan86]

lol man, Dirk on one leg is still easily the league's best PF until the day he retires.

Not saying Dirk is only 4th. Just that Zbo doesn't belong in list and Dirk does.

[No Evans!]

Josh Smith getting incredibly overrated. This dude was on an extremely talented if not stacked Hawks team for years and could never win more than a single playoffs series. Bottom line is he a 3/4 tweener which is the one the least desirable qualities in the NBA.

The Hawks have never been "stacked"